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"outfront," the breaking news, 103 degrees. thomas eric duncan's family telling us tonight that he had a 103 degree fever when a texas hospital sent him home. his family tells me on that his first visit to texas health presbyterian in dallas, he was sent home with a fever of 103. it is a stunning revelation. if true, it is the latest indication that the hospital missed major signs of a man with ebola. we asked the hospital about this today and they told us they are, quote, evaluating the chain of events leading up to duncan's death this week. in aa moment i'm going to speak with his nephew josephus weeks but first we begin with miguel marquez out front. >> questions about the health of thomas eric duncan. did the hospital in dallas make critical errors in his diagnosis
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and treatment. his nephew josephus weeks said he was sent home despite having a temperature of 103 degrees and he had just been in liberia. but in an october 3rd press release, dallas presbyterian said he came to the emergency room of 101.1 degrees and describing his symptoms as not severe. they said he suffered abdominal pain for two days and a strong headache and decreased urination. this could be communicable of diseases. when he was asked if he had nausea, vomiting or diarrhea and he said no. dr. kent brantly, and nancy writebol and muckpo were served at other facilities. john wyley price said the reason
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he was turned away from the hospital -- race. >> historically what has happened in this community, if a person who looks like me shows you the without insurance, they don't get the same treatment. >> reporter: the hospital added duncan got the same high level of attention and care given to any patient regardless of nationality or ability to pay for care. in this case that included a four-hour evaluation and numerous tests. we have a long history of treating a multi-cultural community in this area. but thomas eric duncan was treated unfairly says a family statement. he to walk into the hospital on his own and it took eight days to get an experimental medicine to him. dallas presbyterian said he had 50 people looking after him and dedicated an entire intensive care ward to him. and he said zmapp was into the available but the first to
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receive the first drug brincidofovir. >> now nancy writebol, she went to the hospital and she was sent home with 103 degree temperature and they shout she had something else and duncan and his family are sorting through this and they say, look, this is america, he should have gotten better treatment. >> they feel that way and they have reason for feeling that way. and i want to brink in thomas eric duncan's nephew josephus weeks. and it is not good to talk to you in these circumstances again but we are so sorry for your loss, for your family's loss, for your mother and your brother, how is your family doing? >> we are all stressed right
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now. and it has been hard on everybody. but we are still holding together, trying to support each other and doing the best we can. >> josephus, i know that you have your uncle's medical reports now and i wanted to ask you questions so important for the nation and for the world to understand what happened in dallas. the hospital said that when your uncle first arrived, he had a temperature of 100.1 degrees and sharp abdominal pain and now you have the records. is that what they say? >> i think you're asking me about his first visit and his temperature. but his temperature was 101 and he sat there, his temperature increased to 103. i don't know what was done before then. but he got released with a fever. >> so he was released then from
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the records you have with a fever of 103? obviously that is surprising to a lot of people. you gave us a statement josephus, yesterday, saying that your uncle was treated unfairly. what do you feel was unfair? >> why do i feel that way? >> yes. >> because i feel he should have been treated better the first time around. he's the only person that has died from ebola here in america. he's a black man. he's poor. didn't have insurance. he came for a visit and now went to the hospital. had that been another name or another color, he would probably be living today and he would have survived it and that is what is hurting me the most, because they treated him the way they did because of the color of his skin and that is very upsetting and disturbing and know that you stand a chance if you are white but you don't if
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you are black. >> josephus, on tuesday, i know you were are the reverend jesse jackson and went to the hospital with him and thankeds his -- thanked him and you said the doctors treated him like a diamond and now you feel very, very differently. what changed? >> the day i went in there, i met with the president and they were saying they were doing something. and we all felt like they were doing something. so that is why i made that statement, that they treated him like a diamond but they lied to us the whole time. >> and that is because of how you feel the experimental drug he received and i know about the blood transfusion. and i want to ask you about that, josephus, because i know you repeatedly asked the hospital for a blood transfusion for your uncle. and in response they said your uncle didn't get the serum that a white patient in nebraska got because his blood type was not
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compatible with the donors. and we know there are a few that returned with ebola. do you think there is a way to get blood from someone who survived in africa, or think there was something they could have done that they didn't do? >> yes. there was a lot of things they could have done that they didn't do. they could have transferred him over from texas to atlanta. i requested that, they denied me. i requested a blood transfusion, they denied me. my mother requested transportation and transfusion and they denied that. i volunteered to help. and she is a registered nurse and offered to help without pay and they turned us down every step of the way. there were people in africa available to contribute everything. they turned everything down. they said no to everything. >> in terms of the blood transfusion, do you know for
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sure there was a blood transfusion sand serum available from africa? do you know that for sure? or are you just assuming because there are so many people there that survived that there would be. >> if you can fly a man 18,000 miles on an aircraft and if they want him to survive, they can find blood in africa, just like those people. nobody helped him. they didn't give him a chance. if they would have given him a chance, he would have fought through. they didn't give him a chance. we cannot see our family the whole time he was in there. never saw him one time. i asked if they can transfer him to emory so we could go there and see him, at least they have a facility that was set up. he said he could see people walking around his room and outside of his door. why couldn't we be there. >> and you were willing to be
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outside of the door, perhaps in the room they would have been concerned about infection, but you wanted to see outside of the glass and you weren't able to do that? >> no. [ inaudible ]. >> josephus. >> turn the camera off. >> josephus, it is all right. i know that it is wrong and you feel that wrong things have happened to you, and it is okay. do you think there is anything that can be done to make it right? >> he's dead, there is nothing you can do. you can't bring him back. if they bring him back, i'm good. they can't bring him back. i just want my brother back, my uncle is my best friend, i want him back. i can't have him and i never will. to burn his body without even telling us.
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eric was a very good berne. a good person. i grew up with this man. he would help you. no matter what. he didn't care about your skin or disease. eric is a person that would come up to you with itches all over your body or infected with anything. if you needed help, he would step up and help you. >> josephus, i'm so sorry and i think it took a lot of courage for you to come out and tell the story to the country and i really appreciate it. i know it is really hard for you to have people see you like this, but we are all really grateful. >> thanks, erin, i appreciate it. we reached out to the texas hospital to respond to the complaints about how he was treated and the hospital at this moment is not commenting. up next, a top general said if ebola spreads, the united states will have to shut down the entire south border.
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breaking news, there is a fear in the skies tonight, fears of ebola spreading are causing changes along the border in terms of screening and testing. the pentagon top commander now warning that america's borders may be the next ebola entry point. this is exactly how he said it. >> if ebola breaks out in haiti or central america, i think it is literally katie bar the door in terms of the mass migration of central americans into the united states. >> there is no question that that is a pretty aggressive thing to say, but the question is, is it true? renee marsh is out front. >> i think the man that said this is aniddiot. >> a dramatic scene on a flight, four members in protective suits
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boarding the plane in response to a disruptive passenger. he was coughing on the flight and reportedly said, i have ebola, you're all screwed. the man appears to say, it was just a joke. but he was escorted off the flight, and infuriated passengers were stuck on the tarmac for more than two hours. >> i believe a court won't find it to be a particularly funny comment, no more so than the person on the aircraft that says i have a bomb, only kidding. >> reporter: today in dallas where thomas eric duncan died from ebola, a congressional panel examined the nation's response to the disease. >> if the disease progresses to the point it can't be stopped, it will spill over into other countries and create a greater threat for the u.s. >> reporter: the top u.s. general is warning attention should turn to the southern border as well. marine general jim kelly said
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u.s. embassy personnel in costa rica told him this story. >> there were five or six black guys at the border, waiting for the line to pass into nicaragua and north and the embassy person asked who they were and they said we're from liberia. been on the road about a week and we're on the way to new york city. illegally. they could have made it to new york city and still be within the incubation period of ebola. >> reporter: well that pretty inflammatory statement from the general, clearly not speaking from the administration's playbook. we just heard yesterday homeland security secretary jay johnson addressing the possibility of ebola making it into the united states through its borders, and he shot that down. erin? >> thank you very much, renee march. and joining me, the former
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health spokesperson, dr. walks. and you heard what the general said. he is the top commander in south america and what we heard him say is shocking, talking about, as he said, a few black guys on the border and that they were planning to head illegally to new york city. talking about that would be well within the incubation period for ebola. is he right to be worried about liberians coming to through the southern boards. >> i think he should take those to the doctors, to decide how we move and advise people like him. making policy without a background to make policy, no, it doesn't make any sense to me what he is saying. and i'm sorry, are we now magically going to learn how to close the southern border of the united states. it doesn't make any sense. we have not historically been able to do that. let's talk about what we can do.
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other countries have done screening and we can wait for advice and not wait for an emergency to happen. we know where to go to fight ebola, it is in west africa and let's go and help. >> and i want to ask you about closing the borders. but first, ben, if there are outbreaks of people flooding into the united states, is that fear mongering or is that crazy? >> no, it is not crazy at all. because if you are around people that have ebola, where do you want to get to? you want to come to the united states of america. if you think you've been exposed to, you want to come here because the success rate where you currently are isn't even 50% and most places say it is above 70% for people that get ebola. so if i am exposed, i will do everything i can to get to the united states of america. if you arrest me, it is worth this. but to act as if we can't close the border because we haven't done a very good job in the past
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is not a reason not to do it now. you say we've never been good at this. we'll never given it a real effort -- >> well -- >> -- if ebola comes across the border, we're going to be asking the military to go down there and deal with it. >> no, we are -- >> because we are seeing it around the world right now. >> we are not going to wait and use somewhat-if scenario. we know where they are now. >> can you guarantee me it won't come across the border. >> you can't guarantee me your story. >> i can gar -- dare and tee your story -- >> go ahead, doctor. >> we are helping people in west africa and that is where we need to be. helping them there. >> totally agree. >> we need to shore up our health infrastructure here so we can help the folks who may or may not get sick here but then we need to continue to help
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people where they are currently getting sick. >> okay, ben. >> here is the problem. in being with dallas and seeing what happened when one person out of 300 plus million people in america has ebola and the disaster that it has been from the lack of people that knew how to deal with it, the fact that they didn't clean the apartment in time, the fact that people are walking into the apartment serving quarantine orders that didn't have protective suits, the fact they were following 100 people shows you just how unprepared the cdc really is at dealing with this. and even the family's claims, saying he didn't get the proper care he needed. this is one person. imagine if 50 people come down with this. >> what about the issue. you have the southern border and then the issue of what to do with the fact we know where the hot zone is, guinea, liberia, sierra leone. at first the cdc said there was no way they would ask the country's borders to be closed
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and now after meeting with president obama, nothing is off the table. last night dr. sanjay gupta said maybe we need to close the borders for two incubation periods. why risk someone going somewhere and having this to be an international out of control problem, close those flights. >> when we have an area with a tremendous amount of ebola, we need to come together and think about the next step. and i would like to thank the other gentleman for making the point, because we don't have a history of doing particularly great stuff with one -- and i want to reach out to mr. duncan's family and my heart, my prayers go out to his family. >> yes. >> absolutely. >> but we are learned from that. we are americans. we don't just do the same thing over and over again that doesn't work. >> but, doctor. >> so let's go where the epidemic currently is and follow
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good public health advice. >> ben, should you close those borders? >> yes you do. at least for two incubation periods. and here efr confident on our ability to beat something. and right now we are batting zero percent when it comes to saving people's lives in this country when they come down with ebola in this country. so until our batting average going up, i don't think we should act like we have this under control. we don't have it under control. and the cdc said with the president, the likelihood of ebola coming to the united states of america was incredibly low. well they were totally wrong on that one. so why am i now going to act as if they have it under control when they don't. >> well let's not -- >> doctor. >> let's not say zero. we have not gotten bad advice from our public health leadership. >> it hasn't been amazing. >> by not responding to one horrible case, let's not let
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that make public policy for america. >> thanks very much to both of you. we appreciate it. we wish we could get your feedback to us. and moments before a black teen-ager was shot and killed by a white police officer in st. louis. we'll show that to you. was he armed or not? and his parents are "outfront." and in the work force, the ceo of microsoft said the best thing for a woman to be is a super hero and woman with super powers don't ask for raises, they come to them. suze orman is our guest. but i've managed.e crohn's disease is tough, except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. and when i finally told my doctor,
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breaking news, protesters in st. louis, missouri, gathering right now, angry at the death of a black teen-ager shot and killed by a white police officer. last night's protests were violent. protesters burning one american flag in a particularly ugly demonstration. tonight the parents of the dead teen are speaking out to our jason carol. >> kids are supposed to bury their parents. he was my only child.
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he was my baby. he was my baby. and they took him away from me. >> his mother and father sit at the same church they have taken their son to on so many sundays and it might be the place they eulogize him in the next couple of days. >> i'll never get to see him again, talk to him, get a big smile or the big, tight hugs. i never get to feel him again. my life is empty now. my heart is empty. >> myers was shot by a police officer on wednesday night after police say he fired at the officer three times. >> they took my son and destroyed his life. and now they are trying to destroy his character. and i ain't going to allow that to happen. >> myers parents do not believe the account of what happened. the 1-year-old seen on this video minutes before he was
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shot. no gun is seen beneath his clothes. shortly he and his friends left the store, that an off-duty officer noticed something and approached myers. >> he fires at least three shots toward the officer and then the officer defends himself against the fire. >> they are saying this young man fired at the officer first and that the officer returned fire. >> the witnesses we spoke to, none of them say this young man fired at an officer. nob of them -- none of them say this young man had a gun. >> saul he did, as his mother said, is buy a sandwich. now is it illegal to be eaten while black. >> place say a 9mm handgun was recovered at the scene and ballistics awaiting. and he was known to police and out on bound for a previous gun-related offense. a peaceful candlelight vigil was
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held for myers early in the evening and later in the night, more clashes between the police and demonstrators in a community on the edge over the distrust for police. >> who are you to decide when life is supposed to end. >> that was my baby. >> the myers family has seen all of the protests that have occurred here in the community and they know about more protests that are planned and they are asking demonstrators to be peaceful. and in terms of when myers will be buried, they said they are still so grief-stricken, they haven't had a chance to plan his burial. erin. >> thank you very much. and don't go anywhere. he will stay with us and we'll bring in criminal defense attorney and prosecutor paul cohen. paul, let me start with you. police say that this teen-ager, vonderrick, fired three shots at
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the officer who shot back 17 times. they say he did not have a gun. and let's show the video jason was able to obtain. and here in the shop, you see him full body and with the water bottle. you see the front and the back. and the mirs attorney said he is unarmed. there is no bulge or gun under his waist or in his pockets. what do you see? >> you know, it is a damaging video on the surface as far as carrying a gun. but bear in mind, the gun involved is an automatic, which can be put in the small of the back and not be a large bulge. >> how big would it be? >> it wouldn't be huge. you can hide it. but what troubles me in terms of the police officer's story, is he saw a bulge at one point. i think one of the reports was that one of the young men slowed down to adjust their parents and that is when he saw the gun or the bulge. so you would think it would be
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more obvious than in the video. but we don't know what happened once he went outside of the door. and there was another report by the way that seems quite contradictory about a gray sweatshirt being worn by the person who fired the gun. >> that was said by police earlier today. so that would be contradictory to what his current dress is in the video. >> and you look at him buying a water bottle and could he have stuck that in the back of his pants and that is a bulge. but the police say a 9mm gun was recovered at the scene and you say ballistic tests are still pending, but is there a way to find out who shot that gun? was it vonder rick, or maybe one of his friends and he did not fire and was unarmed. >> a couple of things there. i did ask myers' attorney about the gray shirt controversy being talked about here and the attorney did acknowledge that once he got outside, that he did change and put on some sort of a
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gray sweatshirt. that is first. and second, i also asked him, the attorney, could it be a possibility that once he left the store, even though you didn't see a bulge inside of the store on that surveillance video, is there a possibility that once he left that he obtained a gun in the ten minutes since he left the video store and then we have the shooting? it he said possibly. but he said not likely. not based on the people that they have spoken to, not based on the witnesses that they said they have spoken to that say he was unarmed. >> jason, where does he get the gray t-shirt. it is not around his waist or over his shoulder. so if he could pick up a gray t-shirt, whose to say he couldn't pick up a gun. where does the shirt come from? >> i think that is something that will be determined later on in terms of whether or not the whole idea of the gun situation. but in terms of the gray sweatshirt, i asked him about that. because you hear police say he wrestled with the suspect, who was wearing a gray sweatshirt, very clear on that surveillance
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tape that he was wearing a black t-shirt. i said to the attorney, have you talked about this gray sweatshirt and t-shirt back and forth and he said yes, we have, it is clear once he left the store, and not seen on the surveillance tape, but he at some point put on the gray sweatshirt it. was cold. >> and when you look at the video for a third time, he is wearing his pants really low. they are really low. can you see his underwear. so you would see a gun if it was sticking in the back of his pants, at this particular angle. and now maybe he got one later. but to this point of this video, and then the fact that they find the 9mm gun, can they prove what you know and you've done these cases before, that it was definitively that vonderrick who fired that gun and was holding the gun or not? >> well the officer said he physically grappled with one of the youths, presumably the gunman, in advance of them run ago way -- running away. so the officer may be able to
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identify him by appearance. and the second thing that will be persuasive if there are gun charges pending against him which we report of, he kind of looks like he carried a gun in the past, why is it surprising he would be carrying a gun now. >> can i ask you a question and maybe we won't know, that it was a friend that fired the gun and the police officer fired at the wrong person, what happens to the police officer? >> well there is a doctrine, it is a transferred intent doctrine. and if the officer accidentally fired at the wrong person but was firing in good faith, he would not be guilty of a crime on that scenario. >> thank you to paul and for the excellent interview of the myers' family. "outfront" next. >> it leaves me speechless and you know i'm not speechless that often. >> i know suze. she under stated. she's never speechless, but she
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breaking news on isis advancing in iraq. despite weeks of u.s. airstrikes, the terror groups is only eight miles from the baghdad airport. chuck hagel seeing that a key province is in trouble and risk of falling. isis has been bearing down on iraqi forces west of baghdad. jim sciutto is here in new york with me tonight. let's start with this, people look at iraq and why is anbar important in. >> kobani is right where journalists are and not strategically important. but anbar is close to the capitol and it could take it down. and the secretary says it is in danger and that gels with defense officials say today, one, that isis is still
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advancing, despite the iraqi groups on the ground and the u.s. airstrikes and the iraqi troops, some of them in danger of being cut off. and this gets to the strategy. because here you have the two ingredients you need. you have u.s. air power and iraqi forces on the ground. and still isis is advancing. >> and i think people are just shocked to hear this. as you've talked about, about 400 airstrikes, in there particular -- in this particular case, they have all of the pieces they need to have. how does the defense secretary feel the need to come out and admit this. it is the last thing he wants to say. >> we are two weeks in iraq and syria and you haven't had a measurable effect. and the units protecting baghdad are more capable of defending, plus better visibility because you have u.s. military advisers with them. and in anbar there are no u.s. military visors -- advisors.
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>> but people keep thinking, how could this happen. they are eight miles from baghdad, and the headlines we hear. is it true that baghdad could fall or could it not? >> there is no question. it could fall. it has better defenses but it is a real danger and the closer they get the more the danger is. but the bigger picture here is this: officials have been telling us from the beginning, air power can only do so much and we are seeing that play out in kobani and anbar and some day maybe in baghdad. >> incredible. i don't think anyone would have thought to hear that just days ago. jim sciutto, thanks so much. and "outfront" next, microsoft ceo said this is how you do it. you sit and bee quiet and trust the system. that is what people want from a woman. good karma will get you a raise. suze orman is my guest. and sperm bank harder to get into than harvard. it is for moms and dads looking to build a better baby.
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ceo of microsoft. he said, when women were afraid to ask for a raise, what they should do. >> it is not really about asking for the raise but knowing and having faith that the system will actually give you the right raises as you go along. and that -- i think might be one of the additional super powers that quite frankly women who don't ask for a raise have. because that is good karma. it will come back, because somebody is going to know that is the kind of person that i want to trust. that is the kind of person that i want to really give more responsibility to. >> and suze orman joins me now, suze, you see this original comment that we've just shown that it is karma, good karma, that you don't ask for a raise, because you're hard working that it will be recognized.
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sure, it was horribly said. is there anything to it? >> here is what is to it. first, we have to make the statement or at least suze orman has to make the statement that it is an absolute thrravesty, tt it is the ceo of a major corporation that women have to be silent, and that it will pay off with good karma. that is not what you get when you're silent. that is what you get when you do what is right in this world when you ask suze orman. and it is wrong, erin, absolutely wrong, erin for women to stay silent when they do have something to say. it is wrong when women are paid less for the exact same job that men do and are paid more. karma comes from good actions. >> so then he continues to say
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having faith that the system will reward you for your work, as opposed to coming in and pounding the table, if you have that, that, i think might be one of the additional super powers that women who don't ask for raises have. it was not just that he was talking to women, he was talking about women specifically there. he called it a super power. is that his way of saying i like women who are like that more? >> i have no idea what he meant when he said it, why he said it or how he feels about these things other than what he actually said. but true super powers are super powers that affect not only women, but men, as well. and the power that is super that we should all have is asking for what we think we are worth. and you know and i know that the system has not been fair in many ways. but again, to have a ceo that has thousands of women working
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for him that he was addressing women, to even think this way that was the most powerless statement i have ever heard in my life from a ceo. >> so suze, what should happen to the ceo of microsoft? satya nadella, he then tweeted to apologize, i was not articulate how women should ask for a raise. our industry should close gender difference, so they followed up with a statement, microsoft saying they supported women and women's equality on pay. my question to you, though, what should happen to him? >> wow. you know, i don't think his statement that he made that he was inarticulate. a ceo of a major corporation, when it's a slip of a tongue. we've all had a slip of a tongue and said no, that is not what i meant. but he went on for a full paragraph, erin. like a paragraph.
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as you so correctly noted it was geared that women, their silence is a super power. that is not inarticulate. that was a thoughtful statement that he had time to think about. i don't know. i mean, i think this is a very serious thing. and i would really have to think twice about somebody who feels this way about women is running a major corporation. >> all right, well, suze orman, thank you. >> thank you, erin. let us know what you think about that. did his apology measure up? is there anything that could explain what he said. anything that you would accept? up next, a genius gene pool in search of the perfect child. is it playing god or just common sense? lisa ling is next.
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how far would you go to create the perfect baby? well, apparently some parents are now opting to choose not just gender, okay? intelligence. looks, even personality. i think that is downright crazy. but people are doing it. and earlier i spoke to lisa ling on this very subject, for her upcoming series "this is life". >> the decision had been made and order placed. donor clear, professor of a hard science at a major university, outstanding intellect and
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exceptional athletic ability. >> so this big canister shows up in the mail? >> yes, and then like a sci-fi movie, the shock comes out. it is a learning experience for me. >> the insemination was a success on the first try. >> so this is spring-like the slippery slope conversation. now that there is technology when it comes to fertility, all of a sudden when you can choose the gender of your baby you can choose a variety of other things, too. >> why wouldn't you want to choose the gender, and the make-up. one man became upset with the mediocrity in the experience he felt in the gene pool, thinking that people shouldn't breed with mediocre people in the gene
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pool. so he found this facility where he would collect sperm from highly intelligent people, and he was hugely criticized. it was very controversial at the time because people accused him of trying to create the superior race. >> so do people have this belief that they will -- that this will work and that you can get the incredible athlete or the incredible genius? is that why they're doing it? >> you know, i think as you have said when people do have a chance to choose characteristics in their donor, why wouldn't they want to choose the best? i visited a sperm bank in fairfax, virginia, that told me that it is harder to get into their sperm bank than to get into harvard because they require such meticulous things from their donors. so it is pretty interesting to see how full circle it has come since robert graham's case. >> harder to get into a sperm bank than harvard, there are so
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many issues to that. all right, well, i can't wait to see this. lisa, thank you. >> it will be outstanding, this is life with lisa, airing sunday at 10:00. thank you for joining us, anderson cooper "ac360" begins now. good evening, thank you for joining us everyone. we begin with breaking news in the fight against isis. ominous news there is fighting on anbar province, if that falls that could mean baghdad is closer and closer in the cross hairs. up against the wall is how one senior official described the battle against isis. this despite the continued airstrikes throughout the country, the strikes that before this news was coming under fire because they seem to be having little to no effect. cnn correspondent jim sciutto is talking about what is happening in anbar. >> what is a concern, you have the defense
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