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many issues to that. all right, well, i can't wait to see this. lisa, thank you. >> it will be outstanding, this is life with lisa, airing sunday at 10:00. thank you for joining us, anderson cooper "ac360" begins now. good evening, thank you for joining us everyone. we begin with breaking news in the fight against isis. ominous news there is fighting on anbar province, if that falls that could mean baghdad is closer and closer in the cross hairs. up against the wall is how one senior official described the battle against isis. this despite the continued airstrikes throughout the country, the strikes that before this news was coming under fire because they seem to be having little to no effect. cnn correspondent jim sciutto is talking about what is happening in anbar. >> what is a concern, you have the defense secretary as well, chuck hagel saying that anbar is
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in danger. that gels with what i have heard with u.s. officials throughout the day. one is that isis is still advancing, that is despite the enormous investment with the troops and the air power, and some of the iraqi units fighting them in danger of being cut off. purely a defensive position. anbar really matters, we talked about kobani. >> which is in syria. >> anbar to the west -- >> and u.s. officials are saying kobani, you take over, you take over the whole capital. >> it is not a huge surprise that isis is doing well there, that is mainly a sunni area. >> right, it is hugely concerning, here is where the two ingredients are that everybody says is necessary.
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you have the u.s. air power, the coalition air power i should say, plus the significant air power -- >> are there u.s. advisers working with iraqi troops in anba >> no, they're not. that is because it is too close to the fight. the restrictions have been put on. and the apache helicopters -- >> the apache helicopters, listen, it is not troops on the ground but they're low flying and -- >> if one gets shot down you have to go over there and rescue -- >> and in the last week they have shot down two iraqi helicopt helicopters. and the fact the u.s. is willing to put the helicopters there shows they're truly concerned about it. >> when you look at the map, isis to the north of baghdad, isis to the west of baghdad, is baghdad still holdable? >> well, holdable. and that is the thing. what you hear in baghdad you do have military advisers with the
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troops. you don't have them out in anbar province. >> thousands of u.s. personnel with the embassy. >> with the advisers at the brigade level, what they have found is that the iraqi units around baghdad are more capable. plus, you have visibility there because you have u.s. advisers with them. you don't have that visibility in anbar. that is one of the problems because you're relying on iraqi reports about what is happening. >> jim sciutto, appreciate the report. tonight we have news about the ebola patient who died in dallas this week and just how sick he was when he first went to the hospital and was actually released. thomas eric duncan, that is his name. he was originally sent home with antibiotics during the first trip to the emergency room where his fever was initially as high as 103. so the medical records, 1400 pages in all, what else have you learned? >> well, the fever is really the most significant issue we're
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dealing with here, anderson. hospital officials earlier said when thomas eric duncan first came to the hospital when he was admitted with full-blown ebola symptoms, when he was admitted he had a low-grade fever of 100.1. his nephew said by the time he left he had a fever of 103 temperature. a very significant detail especially when you consider that he had also told them that he had been to liberia. and the medical experts said for several weeks, anderson, it is the combination of that information, the fever and his travel history which should have raised red flags. we have asked the hospital to respond to this and explain what was going on to the 103-degree fever. they issued a statement and didn't talk about the fever and only said the hospital was still reviewing the diagnosis and what happened early on and that it changed some of the in-take
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procedures and being able to better identify anybody with a critical disease like ebola. >> that is the thing. they have changed their story about what exactly they knew about his travels now a couple of times. now they say the information that came from liberia was available to all hospital workers, right? >> yeah, if you want to backtrack here a bit, anderson, they originally said there was an issue with the electronic health record that the information the nurse had taken in was not taken to the doctor that treated thomas duncan. but then they changed that a day later and said that there were no issues with the electronic health records. so you assume that the nurse and the doctor would have known his travel history and repeated attempts over the past several weeks to kind of get further explanation from the hospital and hospital officials simply are not saying anything at this point. only saying they're still in the process of reviewing all of this. and anderson, we should also mention that state health officials here in texas say the primary concern right now is
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being able to follow all the people that thomas duncan got in contact with, making sure nobody develops ebola. but they're considering a full-scale investigation into what happened here. >> whatever mistakes were made, the important thing is that everybody learn from the mistakes around the country. thank you for joining us, professor of public health at the university of texas, dallas and a former cdc disease detective. let me start with you, so initially, the hospital, among the many stories that changed, they initially said the patient presented with a low-grade fever, 103 degrees is not a low-grade fever is it? >> right, certainly not a low-grade fever. he developed that higher fever while he was in the emergency department being evaluated. and fever is important, but it is really important in the context of the patient and whole history and what is going on with that specifically.
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>> and something like a travel history is something that doctors would normally ask about, or should incorporate when considering a fever? >> sure, even prior to this whole situation with ebola. that would be a standard part of an evaluation of a patient. now even with the current cdc and world health recommendations it is absolutely imperative that any time a patient comes to an emergency room with a complaint of fever. >> dr. yasmin, you say they didn't have an actual cause for the fever, especially since they released him. >> absolutely is concerning, you don't want to discharge the patient with a high fever especially when you don't know the cause of the fever, what is also concerning is the contradiction, about what happened. the other facilities need to be
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educated. they have
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most -- if a patient is presenting with a complaint of a fever you wouldn't necessarily isolate those people, you dig a little bit deeper and look into the facts, you certainly would. >> dr. yasmin, the fact that the doctor wrote down he was negative for fever and chills, i mean, obviously, look, the er is a hectic place, doctors are dealing with a lot of issues at once, but it seems like a big mistake. >> it is a big mistake, anderson, and of course human error occurs, that is why it is so important we work as a team. it is not just one person asking about a fever, it is multiple. often times when you walk into a consult, you fall right back into the questions, saying you know people have asked the questions before, we hate to repeat them but they're absolutely key. >> we've had dr. redliner from
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columbia, he pointed out a lot of health budgets have been on the downward swing really since the year after 9/11. i know mount sinai, you guys today just had a drill. and it is important to continually, it is not something you can just drill for once four or five years ago and say you got it covered. you guys drilled today. >> certainly, there are things that change so you always have to be prepared to adjust. when you have a situation like this, re-educate staff, make sure everyone has been educated. redo it and repeat the drills. >> do you worry about this? i mean, obviously it is a concern. but in the list of things you as a doctor have to worry about is ebola high up there right now? >> it is not high up there for me. my concern is that the staff is well prepared and that they're educated to deal with people and also to manage their own anxiety with the idea they may have to deal with someone with this type of disease. >> and dr. yasmin, you say on
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august 1st the cdc sent out material on ebola, they knew to ask patients about traveling to and from west africa. they were on high alert back in august. >> that is right, beyond, that is a key part, the history. you should be doing it anyway. the cdc said in light of the epidemic in west africa can everybody in the u.s. who is practicing medicine make sure you ask that question about travel to west africa and any symptoms of ebola. so they have been on high alert for months now. >> dr. yasmin and dr. peter shearer, thank you for joining us. and the death is the first confirmed fatality in the enterovirus. but this was much more than a
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states. and tonight, a father whose sickened kid had died. he never woke up, other than a mild case of pink eye he had been feeling fine according to his parents. he was not coughing or showing signs, they had no idea he contracted the enterovirus. eli's death is the first reported one. if you would like to donate. i am so sorry for your loss, how is the family doing? >> we're okay. we're really sad and upset. and the girls are kind of dealing with it in their own way. i think they're okay. they miss their little brother. but i'm also really kind of determined and focused on doing something good. >> you started a foundation. i want to talk to you about that. first, what do you want people to know about eli?
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the pictures of him, he is such a beautiful boy. i read what you wrote about him. it was so moving, what do you want people to know? >> he really just -- his whole thing was making his mom and dad proud. he really was like that puppy dog kind of in that way. just look in your eyes and he would ask, are you proud with me? and he would say yes, i'm proud of you eli. and the other things that -- things that didn't really come easy for him. he had like speech and language sorts of delays. and he was not some hard-charging kid. but he would just plug away, and little by little he would get stuff. >> he never gave up on things? >> never. >> how are his siblings doing. he was a triplet obviously, an intense bond between them? >> they are okay. they are four -- >> do they understand what
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happened? >> they know he is gone. they -- you know, they, he, i'm a triplet, my brother is in heaven. they say it right away. they know that he is not there and they have moments where they really do get upset. and they say i miss my brother. so they think -- i think they understand as much as a 4-year-old son can. >> obviously, parents have been following what happened. was there a concern, i know he had pink eye, was that the only thing? >> it really was, we kept him out of school on wednesday, his sister had pink eye on tuesday, whatever it was, that is the way it goes, we just kept him out of school that day. they were outside, running around, having a great day. i put them to bed at night the way our schedule works, i put them to bed and have a little
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routine i do with them. i kiss them good-bye and say a little thing to each one. eli would always say let's make it a great day tomorrow. >> did they all sleep in the same room? >> yeah, they did, it was pretty cool. and amazingly they slept, too, it was pretty cool. but i told him you know, let's have a great day tomorrow. and he told me, i will, daddy, i will. kissed him on the forehead. he looked fine, felt fine. he was just tired as a 4-year-old boy who was running around all day should be. >> what is the name of foundation? >> it is called the first day of school foundation. eli had first two days of school in his life and he loved them both. >> he loved school? >> he really did. he had an awesome set of teachers. ms. seal, ms. teresa. we -- are so grateful for them. >> and the school has made these ribbons? >> yes, we're doing this, the whole community really, we have ribbons out on mail boxes and
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doors. and people are wearing ribbons. just in support of i think what we're trying to do here to help kids who are kind of like eli, imagine the kid who is maybe a little nervous and starting off school. he would get so jazzed up about his new outfit. and let's get a new pair of sneakers and a star wars backpack and let's have our first day of school. and originally that is what we wanted him to do. let's see if we can maybe get money and help some kids who wouldn't be able to have that stuff. >> where can people go to donate? >> we have a website at www.first day of school foundation. you can go right there, there is a please donate button. >> i wanted to read something you wrote, imagine a shy little puppy, maybe tripping a little bit over his own paws, but truly
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full of unconditional love. >> that was eli, he was not going to win any races. but really, you want to talk about a pure kind of soul. he cared a lot and loved his sisters and loved his friend. he loved his family and friends. not ever once did he hold anything back as far as affection and love for people. >> andy, thank you so much for being with us. i appreciate it. >> well, i appreciate the chance to talk about the foundation. i really can't thank you enough. i mean, you're like -- you kind of start something like this and you think like wow, maybe this could be something cool. so if something good can come out of this, so be it. i would be grateful for that. >> well, thank you. >> thank you. i appreciate the time. >> well, again, if you would like to find out more about the foundation that the family set up to help eli and other kids go to the first day of school
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foundation.org. we'll also put that address again on our website. there are more stories we're following tonight. gary tuchman has a "ac360" bulletin. >> hello, anderson, an ebola scare in mid-air. a passenger apparently shouted i have ebola, you're all screwed. that is a quote on an u.s. airway flight from the dominican republic. when the plane landed, they realized it was all a bad joke. and worldwide caution, warning of attacks against westerners including kidnappings in the middle east and africa and asia. and the nobel prize was awarded to malala yousufzai, the brave pakistani girl who fought for young girls going to school. anderson, she shares the honor with another champion of education, an indian activist
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it is being called a weekend of resistance, starting in ferguson, and st. louis, missouri, starting with protesters saying they want justice for michael and vonderrit myers. later, there was a shooting of another black teen, a teen the police say was armed. >> my baby. >> it started off with a peaceful tearful candlelight vigil for 18-year-old vonderrit myers, killed by an off-duty police officer working a security job. but by midnight, the tone had completely changed. the police and protesters clashed near the shooting scene. police using pepper spray, some protesters going on the attack.
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first targeting police vehicles with kicks and bricks, then targeting police themselves. >> what i describe as a large knife came flying out of the crowd, actually hit an officer on the shoulder, fortunately not the blade edge and it landed on the ground. >> before it was all over, the protesters torching an american flag, the anger over the killing of another black teen at the hands of a white police officer in the st. louis area. the myers case simply adding fuel to the racially charged atmosphere in and around st. louis where hundreds of people were already planning to gather to protest another case involving an 18-year-old black teenager killed at the hands of a white police officer. that of michael brown in ferguson, missouri. i couldn't just sit around and post things on facebook without coming out and doing some real action. >> brown's case sparked weeks of intense protest in ferguson,
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missouri, brown was unarmed and many witnesses said he had his hands up when he was shot six times by police officer darren wilson. the case is now with the grand jury. but the myers case is different. police say he was armed, and the police officer gave chase when he saw myers and another run after making a u-turn. investigators say that myers got into a struggle and the officer shot three times, taking 17 shots, seven to eight hit myers. the fatal shot to the head. but family and friends don't believe the police story saying myers was not armed with a gun but a sandwich instead. he is seen here buying a sandwich in a store surveillance video just moments before he was killed. >> okay, we're strong. >> whatever the case, the mistrust and racial tension growing ever stronger here. thousands of people were expected to come to these
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protests that don't just happen today but are going to happen throughout the weekend and into monday. so far, anderson, we've seen hundreds of people, not thousands but the protests do continue. the next one in just an hour or so. a candlelight vigil for michael brown who was shot and killed by police officer darren wilson, on august 9th. protesting continuing. anderson? >> thank you very much. sarah sidner joining us, and a police officer -- professor at the university of st. louis. >> so charles, whatever did or didn't happen this weekend between the police and the suspect, there obviously is real contention between the two. >> you can kind of argue about or investigate, which is a better way to deal with this, the particulars of this particular circumstance. however, you cannot necessarily
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discount people's feelings. and people in that part of the country feel some level of oppression. and that has been demonstrated over the last couple of months as people have poured into the streets to protest both the death of mike brown and now the death of this young man a couple of days ago. i think if you are part of the police community you have to register it and understand it and figure out ways in which you can allow that to exist and to bubble up and to hear it and to respond to it. >> david, i mean, you know, to charles' point it reached the point where many in the african-american community, certainly in ferguson and elsewhere, don't believe anything the police have to say even if the shooting may be justified. so how do you start to build the communication between the police and the community when there doesn't seem to be any right now. >> i think the first thing you have to do is have meetings with
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people who are reasonable who want to actually listen on both sides who want to learn. i think the problem is the fact that it is a fringe that is driving a lot of this, the arrest data showed in the early days of the ferguson riots that a sizeable chunk of the people causing the problems were outsiders coming in to exploit it. so for example, in a situation like this the community should be able to hear the difference between a circumstance where there is no gun, versus a circumstance where there is a shootout. and so obviously there is a problem of communication. and i think a big chunk of that is that the fringe has driven it. >> is it really just about communication at this point? because clearly when you have a situation where say this young man did have a gun, shot at a police officer. and the shooting you know, under a lot of circumstances would be seen in that case as being justified, the fact that a number of people clearly -- it's not just people from outside the community. a number of people in that community just don't believe the police when they say the guy had a gun.
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you know? you have police officers who were wearing wristbands that said you know, saying i am in the name of the officer who shot mike brown while they were on duty. it is one thing that they do that on their own time, to do that in uniform on duty, all of those kind of things that doesn't seem to be helping, does it? >> right, i think one thing we need to do is disentangle the two incidents. i understand that some people want to put them together, one thing i understand there is a push in our society, i understand that. for the past decade about racial profiling. that the police tend to look at young black males in the same way. well, let me tell you, many people in the black community look at all police the same way. and instead of being able to say this officer is doing a great job, this officer is a knuckle head, people are profiling the police. one disturbing thing i saw in the stream was a white police
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officer, male, a black police officer, female, looking downcast as someone from the community was shouting get out of here, get out of here, we don't want you. what type of message is that from the community to the police. and these officers were doing nothing. they literally had their back turned to this person, they were trying to deescalate. and this person was just ramping it up. that is unacceptable. >> charles when they say there are fringe elements, inside and outside the community and you need to find reasonable people on both sides. does that make sense to you or does that sound like not getting the point? >> right, i think always dealing with cooler heads is a smart thing to do. i think however it is a problem when you try to make a parity between the people who are being policed and the police themselves. they do not hold equal power here. and the power to arrest, the power to enforce the law or to
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go too far in that regard rests solely with the police officers. and so this idea that you know we should somehow feel so aggrieved because the police officers have been profiled because what the data suggests is that they have been profiling particularly these young black men. there is not a parity there. i don't think that that is a strong argument or even a legitimate argument. >> charles, thank you so much. where is kim jong-un? is he sick, has he been ousted? new developments tonight in the mystery of north korea. and tea parties. i'll have more awkward conversations than i'm equipped for, because i'm raising two girls on my own. i'll worry about the economy more than a few times before they're grown. but it's for them, so i've found a way. who matters most to you says the most about you.
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well, tonight, the deeper mystery in one of the world's most reclusive countries, kim jong-un, it has been more than a month since he has been seen in public. and after the no-show tonight, well, observers are trying to learn what is going on.
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this was the last time the dictator was seen in public at a concert with his wife more than five months ago. it is kim jong-un's longest absence from public view since he took over the country when his father, kim jong-il died. him, riding a horse, complete with sound effects. kim, seemingly operating a tank. saluting columns of north korean soldiers at a parade. overseeing military exercises all in an effort to project both the strength of north korea's military, and the military's own devotion to their supreme leader. their public appearances do not just reflect strength but also
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benevolence, here, he bends down to take the hand of a toddler, more doting uncle than dictator. and then, there is the baby-faced leader laughing at the amusement park. and of course, the controversial visit by the nba star, dennis rodman. but it is clearly this picture here on the stage that gets a lot of attention and fuelling reports he is ill. the video was released recently, acknowledging kim is suffering from quote, "discomfort." there are theories of gout and the ankle problems because of the gaining weight. some believe his little sister could be running the country but nothing could be confirmed. to north korea watchers, kim's absence from two high profile
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events this week and the silence about his whereabouts is deafening. >> to skip a breach that honors your father and grandfather is a serious breach of protocol unless there is a good reason. i think right now that kim jong-un is suffering under not only a physical disability but a political one, as well. >> joining me now, the only western journalist credentialed to cover the film festival. i didn't even know they had a film festival in pyongyang. i understand when you were there, people were still referencing him, thanking him. he was a topic of conversation. >> yes, as a matter of fact as soon as we got through customs there was a copy of "the times" with his face on it. while we were in the hotel it was normal to see clips. at the film festival, the speeches and the opening and closing ceremony, he was thanked. it was sort of business as
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usual. nobody talked about it at all. >> so it is possible that most people in north korea don't really know he has not been seen. still his face is everywhere in the newspapers. >> yeah, exactly, it is not something you can disgust wicus your guides. but you know, while we were there there was certainly no impression know something was wrong or that he was missing. there was no mention of the fact he had not been seen in a couple of weeks. >> and how tightly are -- i know you have minders who watch everything you do. you can't really have open discussions with people. >> well, i mean, you can talk about pretty generic day to day films. and we talked about what our life was like. you are discouraged from having questions, just generic questions, you can put your guides at risk, too. >> and you're not able to travel much outside the capital city.
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>> well, we were in a group the whole time and did a day trip to the dmz, and another night trip that had been opened to tourists about a year ago. it actually opened up quite a bit, tour groups opened up in the northern part of the country. you are not traveling independently. always traveling in a group. when we were there, our guides were always with us. if somebody strayed too far from the group, if you took a photo you were not supposed to they would ask to see your camera. it didn't happen often, but from time to time. >> did you get a sense of how most people lived there? i mean, most people in pyongyang have a connection to the government. it is not a great representation of how the average person lives. >> yeah, you see what they want you to see. pyongyang is actually a pretty nice city, looks pretty modern. you don't get to go off on your own in the countryside and see what is going on.
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that is it. it felt like it was just people being people, really. people going about their day to day life. going to work, going to school. one great thing about the film festival, we were able to see movies with the north koreans. one time we went to an indian movie in a 2,000 seat theater. it was over-sold where people were sitting in the aisles. and they were just really into it. it was a really bad movie. people were into it. they just wanted to watch a movie like we do. >> thank you for joining us. and new details about a crash, he settled a string of lawsuits accusing him of excessive force. now he is facing a new one, question is, should he be on the job? details are next.
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tonight, new details about one of the indiana police officers accused in the civil suit of using excessive violence during a traffic stop. in case you missed the video here is the moment that sparked the lawsuit. the encounter began with a seat belt violation and how the incident turned violent and if force was necessary. it will used if the case goes to court. the officer broke the window and faced multiple lawsuits. they have all been settled.
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the question some are asking is why is he still on the job? susan candiotti has more. >> reporter: it is an image that is hard to watch. a for minutes after the man refuses to obey the command to get out of the car, the lieutenant is smack in the video gone viral. who is he? he has been on the force 21 years according to a source with knowledge of the department. he is the head of the traffic division. seen here, running a sobriety checkpoint last year, shot by a northwest indiana police watch dog group. in august, he did an indiana public broadcasting radio interview about the very thing to caused all the trouble in the first place. the importance of seat belt enforcement. >> and that goes hand in hand with the seat belt laws we also have to enforce. they feel that big brother is watching them. to a certain extent, okay, that
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might be the case. but again, should i stand idly by and try not to do anything about the situation? >> the hammond police department will not comment. the group of black ministers from the hammond area, the naacp and the city council say they want answers, but say they have not been able to talk specifics with what happened either. >> certainly they shouldn't be out on the street, which the mayor indicated they are on the street. they definitely should be confined with desk duty and not interact with the public until there was a full investigation. >> we were told cary was not in the office and after several attempts to reach him at his home and by phone he was not there. he called me back, i can at least say that much. but only to say he can't comment. we do know he has been sued over three times by allegations of excessive force, including a
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complaint from this couple, the photographer, and a man who said he suffered a brain injury during an arrest over a parking infraction. all three cases were settled out of court. officer vicari did not admit to any of them. this week, they stood by their officers, the mayor said it is not a good situation. it is not a good idea to argue with police. 99% of people agree with that. i wish this didn't happen. i know this man is a good guy. a neighbor called him a good guy, defending his decision to smash the window. >> i think he is just doing his job. i think he is entitled to act in a responsible manner, seeing how he has been on the police force for 20 years, i'm not going to question the integrity. >> hammond said i would take a bullet for pat. yet for some hammond residents what happened during this traffic stop is a clarion call for a national debate about the
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use of police force. >> susan candiotti joins us from hammond, indiana, so the police officers and the mayor defend his action. did the mayor tell you anything about his character, what happened? >> yeah, anderson, he told me he has known this officer, this lieutenant for more than ten years and said he is a very strong leader on this police force. and then he added that he thinks that a reasonable person would have simply followed police orders and taken the traffic ticket. others obviously disagree, but then the mayor added this. he said you know, we lost a couple of police officers in the past few months and that he, the mayor is concerned about officers' safety. well, other people argue that the family in this case, they say, anyway, was also concerned about their safety. it is a tough situation. >> all right, susan, thank you. up next, anthony bourdain on
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anthony bourdain for a great japanese meal and to talk about his trip to paraguay, and discovering amazing foods. his voyage is the focus of this week's episode of "part's unknown". >> what is paraguay like, one of those places i always wanted to go to. i always get it confused with uruguay. >> paraguay, we know almost nothing about it. but we go yeah, it was a place where the germans hid out after the war. it had an incredible amount of insane dictators. my great, great, great grandfather disappeared in paraguay. >> where was he? >> we knew he was in argentina and brazil doing some kind of mysterious business. he was recorded as having died there. so i went to look into this
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question. and -- while doing that, looked into paraguay, which is at various times seen as a sort of a yutopia for germans and mennonites. >> what drew them there? >> the promise of unlimited w t wealth and agricultural wonderland. and many places, the language is something i had no idea. one of their early maximum leaders commanded all citizens to intermarry. and to -- as best as possible mix and/or eradicate the stain of their european heritage. >> that is very interesting. >> it is very interesting. it is a mixed -- very mixed
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culture. and a very remote one. i mean, who goes to paraguay? also a very friendly lovely one with great food and a lot to do. >> don't miss anthony bourdain, parts unknown here on cnn. this is "life with lisa ling" starts now. salt lake city, utah was founded by the mormon church. top a -- to be a utopia of clean living and values. >> we believe our body is a temple and should treat it as such. >> there are things we're taught by the mormon church not to do. there are ideals we strive for. >> the population of the state of utah is mostly mormon, a faith that discourages drinking, smoking and drug use. but over the past few years,