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song a song their family sang as they became refugees and forced out of their hometown in rural pakist pakistan. i hope you'll join us for that story next saturday 4 p.m. eastern and sunday 7:30 in the morning right here on cnn. time now, though, to get you back into the "cnn newsroom" with ana cabrera. you are in the cnn newsroom. hello, again, i'm ana cabrera, glad to have you with me. officials in one part of iraq are saying we need american combat troops here now i'm talking about anbar province where fallujah and ramadi are located just west of baghdad as you can see here on the map. the government forces are saying the invasion of isis fighters is very bad. people are also afraid in another place where isis militants are reportedly gaining the upper hand. we're talking about in syria the city of kobani. u.s. and coalition warplanes did
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hit isis targets yesterday and again today both around kobani as well as inside iraq but still we're cold that isis keeps advancing. ben wedeman our senior international correspondent is gathering the latest baghdad. ben, what can you tell us? >> reporter: fresh isis recruits train to retrieve the wounded from the battlefield. in a newly released propaganda video from the group entitled blood of jihad, it's clear that isis doesn't lack for fresh recruits. the training includes religious instruction, mostly about the importance of fighting, killing and martyrdom. men like these could soon be part of the ongoing effort by isis to take all of iraq's vast anbar province which extends to the outskirts of baghdad. officials in anbar tell cnn they believe as many as 10,000 isis
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fighters have been sent from syria and northern iraq to anbar to join the offensive. two months of coalition air strikes in anbar have targeted isis but haven't halted its advances. another video released by isis purports to show a downed drone. isis already controls 80% of anbar. saturday isis forces surrounded el haditha the last remaining town fully under government control and make further inroads into ramadi. isis now holds almost every major population center in anbar. on the outskirts of baghdad also in anbar iraqi army troops keep a wary eye on the horizon but their hold on the province is slipping day by day. the army has been plagued by absenteeism, corruption and incompetence hardly the ingredients for success. anbar's provincial council said
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it's appealing to the government in baghdad for american forces to join the battle. although baghdad has until now made it clear it doesn't want u.s. ground troops and the obama administration has repeatedly insisted no combat troops will be deployed here. as all this weren't grim enough a series of car bombs in the capital as well as government controlled areas indicates that isis is following a two-pronged approach to take more territory and to sow terror in those areas it doesn't control. >> so, ben, given just how close anbar is to baghdad, tell us what you're seeing on the outskirts of baghdad. how heavy are the city's defenses? >> reporter: well, they seem to be fairly robust. we were -- we went and toured some of those defenses the other day. it's always important to stress, however, that when the iraqi army or any army for that matter
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takes you for a field trip, they usually show you only what they want you to see, so what we saw was fairly capable, well armed, disciplined iraqi troops on the defensive line. but the shortcomings of the iraqi army are well known. they have problems with absen e absenteeism where some of the soldiers pay their commanding officers so they can be absent with officers' leave in this case. some of them going back to baghdad and working as taxi drivers. there's rampant corruption within the ranks of the officer corps and as we've seen going back to june when the iraqi army fled leaving so much of its expensive american equipment behind in mosul in june, clearly they have a few shortcomings and these shortcomings may be apparent around the defenses of baghdad in areas where reporters aren't going.
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linda? >> ben wedeman, thank you for that rorting there on the ground giving us a clear picture now of what's happening in real time. our military analyst lieutenant colonel rick francona is joining me and jamie dettmer a writer for the daily beast who is currently in turkey. colonel francona we are told isis fighters are just eight miles from baghdad. how big of a threat is this? could they take the city? >> well, i doubt it, they're eight miles from the airport which is critical to any kind of evacuation plan that we have. we also have apache helicopters stationed there and several hundred american troops there. so, if you've got isis within eight miles of the airport that's a threat if they are within mortar range and artillery range and they have all of that equipment, so it depends on what they want to do. it looks like they are trying to encircle the city. i think it would be very difficult for them to go into the city as ben was saying. it's mostly a shia city. there are sunni pockets in there. but that's where they've got the bulk of the iraqi army now so it would be very difficult for them
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to do that, but they are consolidating their gains in the euphrates valley in anbar province. that's where they are focused right now. >> jamie, i know you have spent so much time in this region. you are in kurkky now as we've talked about, as you are watching isis advance closer to turkey on the border with syria. back in june when you talk about isis in iraq and it was advancing in that country you wrote that isis will not succeed in taking baghdad. do you still believe that? >> yes, i do. for very much the same reasons. it's mainly a shia city. this organization in some ways strikes us as illogical particularly in treatment of its prisoners like james foley but in other ways they are a very logical organization and what they are doing is widening out the caliphate that they are trying to create. i don't think they have the means to take baghdad, but i do think what i wrote in june is that they would start a very serious bombing campaign which they've done, what, 30, 40 dead today in another suicide bombing to keep the iraqi government
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offkilter to carry on undermining the authority of the iraqi government and to continue to have sunni tribes align with them because they think they're aligned with the potential victor in all of this. >> colonel francona, when you look at all of these air strikes that the u.s. has been doing now in iraq for a couple of months, couple of weeks now in syria, and yet isis continues to advance, are air strikes doing anything? >> surprising. the resil yedience that isis ha shown. when they first started the air strikes it blunted the offensive in iraq and it almost stopped them, and we home the iraqi army would go back and start retaking the territory and we are very frustrated of seeing the iraqi army is incapable of doing that. he said the iraqi command structure has basically evaporated. so, the air alone has not been able to stop these guys.
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so that's what's driving the anbar sheikhs to ask for american forces -- >> right. >> -- because they know that will work. so we're beginning to see the sunnis in anbar at least start to say, listen, we're not interested in isis coming here. we need hem from the outside. >> we keep hearing boots on the ground, boots on ground. >> mission creep. >> chris creep. jamie, before we let you go, since you're in turkey, are you hearing any more information about the tiurkish government putting boots on the ground and protecting border? >> as i said earlier they are not in a convincing posture here. they don't think isis is coming here, one very good regional turkey is a logistical basis for isis. this is where the foreign fighters are coming through. this is where most of the oil smuggling is going through where they are selling the oil and the major source of revenue for them. they will control if they take
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kobani about 100 kilometers of this border. they are getting people through very easily the last thing they want to do is disturb that and the boots on the ground stuff from the turks, they're only going to do something if there are u.s. boots on the ground and if the u.s. agrees to spearhead a campaign to topple assad. that is the turkish president's policy. so, all this talk of, you know, boots on the ground leaves me a little bewildered. >> yeah. i agree. it's probably not going to happen so we're not going to see the turks engage anytime soon. >> they are going to roll over here? >> they will sit there and watch until they feel that their national interests are served by jumping into this. right now they need a commitment from the united states to overthrow assad and they want a no fly zone and we're not going to do that and they'll wait on their border until isis is a threat to them. and isis pushing kurds out of turkey is not a threat to turkey. >> jamie, go ahead, one last
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thought. >> we hear from washington tha this is not a strategic importance, it is because if kobani falls it could well reignite the 30-year kurdish insurgency in turkey which would have the turks completely looking the other way to the kurdish problem and not the problem in syria. >> it is such a complicated situation. we all know, jamie dettmer, colonel rick francona, thanks a lot. airports ramping up the fight to stop ebola from entering the united states and spreading across the world. how will they tell infected air passengers from the healthy ones at least on american soil? when folks think about what they get from alaska,
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sources, in fact, acknowledge of this case tell us is she serious but stable. we're also hearing that she's conscious and no longer breathing with a breathing apparatus and she's talking to a doctor. the same hospital sources that know her case very well have told cnn that she is on a generic name also known as abigan, and it's made by a japanese company and we know from sources for cnn that they have shipped a lot of this drug to spain, norway, france, and germany. what i can tell you about this drug is that we don't know, if it works on ebola. in clinical trials it had worked against influenza but it wasn't designed to fight ebola. it is an anti-viral. separate sources within the hospital telling cnn she could, in fact, teresa, could be on a combination of drugs.
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when i spoke to the spokesman of the new committee that's being set up in spain to deal with this, i said to him, beside avigan what possibly could we be talking about and he wasn't able to tell me what it is but one name he floated around is something called zmab, it's a component of the zmapp and he told me, the spokesperson, that it's available in spain but he would not be able to confirm if she's on that specifically. what we do know is a french nurse who worked fin liberia an also received a combination of avigan and another unapproved drug. at the moment all we can tell you is that teresa is on avigan and on iv drip with antibodies of ebola survivors and a
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combination of a combination drug, the one involving zmab. >> serious but stable sounds good. i understand there's another nurse who has just tested negative. i know there are a number of people who are being observed who had contact with teresa romero. what can you tell us about what is next for the other nurse who had the negative test? >> this is without a doubt one of the most positive news coming out of spain today, ana. and this nurse, if you remember, we have 17 people under observation. 17 people being monitored and the majority of people are people that had contact with teresa in some sort of way. the nurse, in fact, that has got the second negative test was one that was under observation, under investigation as well. she's the only one that really authorities were worried about. because she's a nurse part of a team of 30 who looked after two missionaries who died here in spain and so they're obviously
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relieved authorities here relieved that this nurse who was under investigation they feared could possibly have ebola had been tested negative twice. but she remains in quarantine until october the 16th to be sure. in the meantime, 17 people remain under observation and just to be clear for our viewers the majority of these people all the people with the exception of teresa do not have any symptoms and do not have ebola, they came in under their own free will and in a controlled environment and rather than being at home rather than risking it if they do have it to their family and children. ana? >> thank you so much. people flying here into the u.s. from west africa can expect they'll be taken aside once they arrive and be given a preliminary screen of sorts for the ebola virus. cnn's alison kosik explains how this will be done. alison? >> reporter: additional screening for ebola began at jfk international airport.
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it means that any passenger coming from the hebola hot zone once they get here to the airport, they will be screened to see if they have symptoms of the virus. the idea is to stop anyone who is showing symptoms, stop them before they leave the airport and get into the general population. so here's what will happen once the passengers get off the plane. they'll be taken to a designated area where their temperatures will be taken. they'll be asked questions about where they've traveled. they'll also be asked if they've had any contact with anyone sick with ebola. if given the all-clear they'll be asked to give their contact information and monitor their temperatures with a log for the next 21 days. if there are any red flags, the passengers will go to a quarantined area for further evaluation. but even as this new screening begins even the cdc acknowledges it's not foolproof. >> no matter how many of these procedures are put into place, we can't get the risk to zero. that will not be the case.
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but this additional layer should add a measure of security and assurance to the american public. this entry screening procedure, for example, would not necessarily have caught the patient in dallas as indicated. >> reporter: the screening here at jfk international airport is considered a pilot and will be rolled out to four other airports on thursday. those airports include dulles international airport, o'hare international, newark, and hartsfield-jackson international in atlanta. alison kosik, cnn, new york. a news crew agreed to a voluntary isolation order to watch for ebola symptoms in the u.s. this comes after a member of their team was infected. but they're under a mandatory quarantine now and accused of violating the first order. what happened? we've got it coming up.
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mandatory quarantine now after one of its members violated a voluntary isolation order. this is that team that was covering the ebola crisis in liberia when this cameraman seen here came down with the virus he's the man currently being treated at a hospital in nebraska. after arriving back in the u.s. nbc said each member of that team voluntary agreed to stay home and avoid other people and monitor their temperature. well, yesterday, the new jersey health department slapped everybody on that team with a mandatory isolation order after one person failed to abide by their initial agreement. the network today released this statement saying, quote, we cannot comment on any individual case due to privacy concerns. upon returning from liberia our team was deemed to be a low risk and agreed to follow guidelines set by local health authorities. we fully support those guidelines and continue to expect that they be followed. all of our team are all well with normal temperatures which they check multiple times a day and they are also in
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officials. so, let's bring in the host of cnn's "reliable sources" good to see you. >> you, too. >> the people presumably understood the risk they were there coving it, of course, and they knew they needed to be in this isolation for 21 days to monitor their symptoms and everything so if they don't follow the order what's the public to think? >> this is a very weird one because the person that seems to have violated the order is dr. nancy schneiderman the chief medical correspondent and she's been educating the viewers on nbc about the risks for ebola but a couple of days ago a local news website near where she lives in new jersey said lots of people had seen her out and about -- not lot, several people had seen her out and about. they described one case where she stayed in the car while someone was picking up food for her it wasn't as if she was walking down main street or something but she was out of the house and that did prompt some concerns and it got attention and it caused the state of new jersey to come out with the
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ruling last night. what's interesting about the nbc statement they say they expect this to continue. it's almost like they are trying to send a message to their own crew. >> right. >> but they also won't address the specific concerns about dr. nancy because they say it's about privacy. you have to feel for all the members of the crew because of the situation they're in at a time of some might say hysteria about ebola. imagine if they have friends or family members who are being judged or ostracized in their community. you can understand a situation where a cameraman comes home from liberia and his kids go to school and the kids at the school are worried about being around their son or daughter. >> this is such a serious situation when you think of the potential consequences. i mean, we are seeing doctors who know the protocols and yet get infected with ebola and they know how to protect themselves. >> these are not the only
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journalists who have come home and decided to self-quarantine. i interviewed one last weekend from "the washington post" who came home via skype and he was doing the same things the nbc crew is staying home and checking their temperatures and this is important because the nbc cameraman came down with ebola and the latest update he seems to be doing better and seems to be reason for optimism about his case in nebraska. it's good the rest of the crew has not seen any symptoms but it mistifying why there was a violation of this order. >> and especially on dr. nancy schneiderman. >> i'm surprised she hasn't been coming on nbc and talking about what's going on and maybe she'll do that in the future. >> thanks for the insight. the first line of defense on ebola will be at the airport. can the cdc stop anyone who is infected from spreading the virus? and will this plan work or is the agency being too optimistic
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traveling through some u.s. airports may be a little more complicated in the coming weeks. health screenings to help prevent the spread of ebola began today for some travelers to new york's john f. kennedy
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international airport. and screenings in atlanta, newark, chicago, and washington dulles airports begin next week but an official with the cdc warns that nothing can, quote, get the risk to zero. i'm joined by juliet cayman and former assistant secretary at the department of homeland security in boston. do you think the airport screenings will work? >> they work foolproof and no one should think that that is the case. look, only a couple hundred people come from these western african countries a day. and we have 1.7 million people in the air on any given day. the sheer numbers are not going to have a great impact on stopping the threat. what it could pick up, of course, is someone who begins to display symptoms over the course of a flight or someone who may have been ignored leaving an african country but that's a very small percentage of the risk that we're facing worldwide
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right now. >> there is some enkourpging news nigeria we now know is ebola free even though the neighboring countries appear to be under the virus's grip. can the u.s. learn something from the efforts in nigeria? >> absolutely. this is where people sort of need to calm their nerves about what's going on here. we have a very strong public health system it's not ideal as we've seen in the past but compared to the countries most impacted we are strong. we have good surveillance. good sharing of information. good patient care and that's similar to nigeria. also what nigeria did was a very aggressive attack on patient zero and that's what we've done in this country. once someone is found that there is the sort of circle of people who might have been exposed is identified very quickly, so nigeria's a very optimistic case based both on their infrastructure but also the surveillance and it's something that i think models what will likely happen in the united
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states. there might be more cases here. they will be identified very quickly. people will be treated. some could die. but it's definitely not going to reach the sustainings that we've seen in countries that have no infrastructure, no sharing of information, and no -- no medical health care system. >> i hope you're right, juliet kay yen, thank you so much for your insight. let me turn my attention to dr. katz in atlanta. thomas duncan didn't have fevers when his temperatures were taken and apparently on the questionnaire he still slipped through regardless if he answered truthfully on that questionnai questionnaire, so how effectiven the screenings really be? >> i think it's not a bad idea in some respects and it may pick up a couple cases and prevent some seeding of ebola infection here in the u.s. but in general i think in many
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areas it's distracting and it's distracting from what really needs to happen to stop this outbreak and to protect the united states and protect the world against a potentially very, very severe ebola outbreak that could at some point go global. what needs to happen is we need to concentrate our efforts in west africa and focus on giving the governments there support that they need to fight this infection. >> you mentioned the potential of the cdc is estimating upwards of 1.4 million people could have this virus by january if something isn't done to get it under control because of how quickly it's spreading. so do you think officials are perhaps being too optimistic about being able to combat the spread of this virus, you know, after all we're seeing health care professionals who know how to protect themselves still end up getting infected. >> that's right. it seems to be, you know, fairly easy to become infected if
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you're not extremely, extremely careful. it's very easy to have a breach in your protective equipment and get infected and that's extremely concerning. if things continue. if the rate of greth owth of th virus continues at its current exponential rate there could well be over a million people infected by 2015 and if that happens it's going to be exceedingly difficult to continue to contain the virus within west africa and i'm somewhat concerned about the virus coming to the united states and to europe but i'm even more concerned about the virus reaching areas where you don't have good sanitation, developing countries, highly densely populated areas. i mean, imagine if the virus reached deli or cairo or manila or rio de janeiro, the results would be devastating and that's in my opinion the most pressing concern. >> and that gives us reason for
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the urgency for the world to act. dr. andrew katz, thank you for your time. we appreciate it. >> thank you. now ferguson, missouri, is becoming a rallying cry for people angry with police and this weekend protesters had declared a weekend of resistance. will it fade from the headlines or are we seeing the emergence of a major epicenter for civil rights in america?
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even recent days has finally turned to calm. protesters marched from ferguson to st. louis, missouri, still demanding justice but without the violence. in both cities scenes of deadly police shootings but today's demonstrations were peaceful and they're part of what organizers label a weekend of resistance calling for police restraint but also for the officer who killed unarmed teenager michael brown to be prosecuted. compared today to this, violence exploded in st. louis friday night. after another deadly shooting involving a white officer and a black victim. but this time police insist that the man they killed was armed and shot first, so could ferguson soon become a new symbol for american civil rights like, say, selma or montgomery? let's bring in two experts to discuss this. with me is marc lamont hill and joining us from st. louis kevin jackson author of the book "the big black lie." marc, let's start with you, will
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ferguson belong in the same places as selma or montgomery? >> it's too early to say but there are certain similarities. it reminds me of emmett till who gets killed august 28th, 1963 when you see the march on washington. similarly this could be a turning point. we thought trayvon could have been a turning point it's not whether we march but what happens after we mar of and what kind of structural changes happen and what kind of police response do we see. >> and the marching is going on and on and on. >> oh, yeah. >> kevin, you are there in st. louis right now. i guess has ferguson, though, perhaps missed its moment given violence that's come with the marching here? is violence undermining the message? >> well, it's undermining the message but it's also -- it isn't even part of the message if marc believes that this is going to -- has the potential to rise to that level, it's a shame, because to put michael brown and martin luther king jr.
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in the same sentence is a diser is ves to the memory of dr. martin luther king who believed in nonviolence and had a legitimate reason for marching against the oppression that was happening at the time. we've got essentially a group of people who are essentially making a situation here that -- are there situations where cops are shooting innocent people, sure. but to rise it to the level that it is where we've got these marches and the thing that just happened earlier today is patently ridiculous. if we want to deal with this, we need to deal with the topic honestly. let's talk to the cops and understand their particular situation. i talked -- my wife talked earlier to one of the police chiefs here and one of the things that he reminded us when they take off their uniform they become citizens as well subject to the same laws that we are. all of the things going on currently right here are really more of a situation where it's being politicized. the number of people that i've seen that are not even from here that have nothing to do with
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this, that aren't -- don't even understand the cause has been -- it blows my mind to be honest. >> i would push back. one correction to what kevin said. i never compared michael brown to martin luther king but to trayvon martin and emmitt till because they were all young black men killed outside, the critique not only were they killed but there was state corroboration to it. and the second point people are coming in from all over the world 1963 with dr. martin luther king in the march most were not from washington, d.c., dr. king always called for mass international action as did other civil rights leader of the day and right now you are seeing the same thing. i spent ten days down there and talked to people on the ground protesting and talking to people from there and those that were not, and they weren't only protesting the kid that got shot they were also protesting the struggle of violence and police militarism and they were saying
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we need to vote to get people out. we need to do better as well. i saw individual responsibility and state correction and mass action. i thought it was a very good moment. >> all right, both of you, stay with me. i know you have more to say as well, kevin. we'll be back after this break. has president obama's time in office been a success or failure? the majority of people in a poll give him an "f." his is our new y cranberry flatbread before we craft it into a sandwich. the amazingly tender roasted turkey -- always raised without antibiotics, the zesty cranberry mostarda, the freshly baked flatbread... but here's what you don't always see. the care and attention that goes into it. because what matters most is the simple, delicious ingredients that make up the whole delicious meal made just for you. and this is our turkey cranberry flatbread sandwich, paired perfectly with our autumn squash soup. only at panera bread.
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isis, the middle east, midterm elections, ukraine, the secret service. it goes on and on. issues on president obama's plate he will no doubt be remembered for. but does america consider obama's presidency a failure? apparently so. in a recent investors business daily, 53% of adults in the united states now characterize obama's presidency as a failure. 41% chalk it up as a success. let me bring back cnn commentator mark lamont hill and kevin jackson of the book "the big black lie." mark had the last word in the last segment. are we too harsh on obama or is it time to hold his feet to the fire? >> no, i think it's long overdue. and i want to go back real quickly and comment about what was happening here in st. louis, and the comment mark made before the break. the people who are coming to this are actually being paid to
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come to this. that's the difference between the movement with dr. martin luther king. and one of the things you notice here is the people don't really understand who is in charge. we've got a situation where barack obama and eric holder and jeh johnson are the three top law enforcement officers in the country. and we're dealing with an idea that the government is being oppressive to black kids. that's number one. when you throw in -- hold on a second. >> kevin -- no, but -- i want to ask you a question, kevin. >> isis -- when you throw in isis and all of the other things that you're talking -- mark, you finished the last segment. let me finish this. when you throw in isis and all of the -- >> there's a delay, i'm not cutting you off. >> when you look at some of the other controversies, and you look at the polling of barack obama and then you look at that and how it's filtering down into the black community, you see, yes, those poll numbers are going to reflect his presidency. >> yeah. >> let me give you a chance to respond. >> again, i would love to know the source of the information that says all the people are
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being paid. i personally helped organize people on buses to ferguson, more than 3,000 people not one was given a dollar. maybe 10,000 people who were down there -- >> you would be wrong, because i talked to people who were paid. >> yeah, i'm not saying no one was paid. i'm saying -- i'm not saying no one was paid. i think all marches people were paid, including 1963, if you check the history books. but to suggest most people were paid is simply not true. and because you have an anecdote doesn't make it true. to the other point about president obama, i happen to agree president obama's feet need to be held to the fire. i've never been someone who didn't do that. in 2008, i wrote a piece called "not my brand of hope" where i was critical of president obama's candidacy. if i were giving him a grade now, i would give a c minus. i think what you see from the poll numbers they're opinions of other polls. when obama's numbers are high,
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that goes low and when it goes low, that goes low. it correlates to the economy. when you get some distance, we will hear what it says. critique on isis, gaza, including ebola. >> one of the points you mentioned, i want to read something from nobel prize winning economist, paul krugman. he says, quote, more important, however, polls or even elections are not the measure of a president. high office shouldn't be on putting points on the electoral score board. it should be about changing the country for the better. has obama done that? do his achievements look likely to endure? he says yes. so mark, do you think krugman might be right? >> there are some enduring successes of obama's presidency, health care is one of them. lgbt issues, marriage equality as another one. the question isn't just will his legacy last. do we like the legacy?
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reagan's legacy, some might say it was awesome i would say it wasn't. it's not whether it lasts, it's whether it was good. i happen to think there are some major standout victories for obama, but messiness with wall street, the free market, schools, continuing the bush doctrine that i think make president obama's presidency somewhat shaky. >> kevin, are polls and elections the wrong way to judge a president. are we shortsighted to focus on them? >> i think the polls are a bad way to judge. i think that it is going to be -- to mark's point, it will be done in the annals of history. when you look at race relations in the country and the financial situation occurring now, and you look at the policies of obamacare, some of the things he's identified, i think that it's not going to reflect very well on barack obama. when you -- you know, look, we've got the united states has been downgraded and our -- with the -- the agency that actually does that sort of thing. and i mean, everywhere we look, it's -- and it's unfortunate,
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and i hate to say this. but when you look at all of the various indicators, there is not much that people are going to look at and say oh, the economy improved. and i think the biggest part is that the government now cannot be trusted. people are looking at the government and saying things like, you know, i don't believe the unemployment numbers. i don't believe the various numbers coming out of who is -- >> we never trusted in the government before. was there this moment that people were trusting the government that i missed? i think people have always had a healthy skepticism of government. and we've had 55 months of steady job creation. obama inherited a bad economy. i'm not here to suggest obama didn't make mistakes with the economy, particularly when it comes to wall street. made some mistakes when it comes to forbid enclosures. made some mistakes. i'm not an obama apologist. however i think it's too early to make those type of criticisms. >> i hate to do this to you, kevin. >> i know, you're cutting me short. that's all right. >> thank you, kevin jackson for joining me and mark lamont hill. we appreciate both your continues and your thoughts on this. now here's a scary question
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he says iraqi forces are in full control in baghdad. hagel is speaking now. get the latest on the situation live from baghdad at 7:00 p.m. eastern. for now, i'm ana cabrera. "smerconish" begins right now. welcome to the program. thanks for joining me. ebola hits home. the battle moves right here to new york city, where tough new screenings begin today at jfk. but will that really do any good? i've got my doubts. i'll ask an expert and if you want a friend in washington, you know what they say get a dog. that was harry truman's advice. president obama has two dogs. so he's got two friends. even members of his team are taking pot shots in tell-all books. is all fair in politics and publishing? and finally, smoke 'em if you got 'em. the battle on a ban over smoking in the military.