island in scotland. it was fun for all of us. thanks for watching. see you back here. "ac-360" begins now. good evening. welcome to this two-hour live edition of 360 from dallas. we begin with breaking news. another patient in the united states being evaluated for ebola. this one is at the university of kansas hospital which announced less than an hour ago a nan in his 40s has been to the hospital for about 12 hours. he was a medic on a ship off the coast of africa involved in treating patients with various illnesses although it's not known if any of those patients actually had ebola. he was sick while on the ship with fever, diarrhea and vomiting and returned to the united states five days ago. the hospital says he's isolated, being rehydrated. again, we're not sure if he has ebola. but given the part of the world he was working in, that's a concern. tonight we're in dallas looking for answers to a troubling

question after a nurse tested positive for ebola right at the hospital. more breaking news on her identity and the treatment. her name is nina pham. she's 26 and she treated thomas eric duncan while he was here at texas health presbyterian hospital. duncan died last week. we just confirmed that she received a blood transfusion from an ebola survivor, dr. kent brantly. how did a health care worker contract ebola even with the protective gear and precautions in place for a hospital setting? and what does that mean for potential future cases? we'll hear from doctors and other experts about the protocols for treating ebola patients and about whether this country's hospitals are actually ready. we'll also hear about how the fear has been ratcheted up here in dallas now that it's home to the first person to contract ebola in the united states. we start with elizabeth cohen who is here with me live. you just got the latest on her condition, correct? >> reporter: right. we've still been told that she's

in stable condition, so the hospital really has said very little about what they're doing to treat her or how she's doing. >> and you found out this, she's the one who has received blood transfusion from dr. brantly? >> yes, we were told they asked for that donation yesterday and she received it yesterday. so the hospital moved quite quickly on that. >> this is actually the third time that he's given a donation, we should point out dr. brantly is the missionary who became infected in liberia, was flown back here and treated at emory. >> he's been reached out to three times and he's given three times. he may have been reached out to for mr. duncan, but they couldn't find a match for mr. duncan who passed away last week. >> is it known how this nurse, nina pham, contracted the ebola? >> they still don't know. there may not have been an a-ha moment where she got her exposure, but there may have been some inconsistencies with the type of gear she was wearing

and the process of putting it on and taking it off. >> obviously, that's a critical component. they want to have somebody watching you and a buddy system when you're taking things off. do we know if they have that at this hospital? >> safety advocates are unanimous on this, that we have a buddy system. you would watch me put it on and watch me do the procedure. hey, don't do this, do that. coach me through it. this hospital has not responded to whether or not they have that buddy system. >> when thomas duncan became sick, the city said they were monitoring 48 people in this city who had contact with him, but this nurse was actually not one of the people. >> that's correct. they were monitoring folks who had contact with him up until september 28th. they're thinking the authorities thinking was look these workers are wearing protective gear, therefore, they are protected and they could self-monitor. that's what nina pham did, she

self-monitor self-monitored. >> they have people investigating how she exactly have done it. >> but again we may never really know. >> it may never be known. >> exactly. >> there are concerns of other people in the hospital? >> yes. as a matter of fact, tom friedan, the head of the cdc was very clear on this. we may see more cases on the health care workers at this hospital because if there was a breach of protocol that got her infected there may be breaches that got others infected. >> is this hospital able to care for her? there's been talk of sending her to another facility. >> are they able to care for her? it depends how you define able. this is not a hospital that specializes in infectious diseases. it's not a hospital, as far as we know, drills with these other bigger hospitals. there are hospitals that drill on this a lot and plaque. >> the first patients were sent to emory. >> exactly. >> and a hospital in nebraska. >> when there was a choice when patients were coming from africa, they were sent to two hospitals that specialize in dealing with bio hazards. the university of nebraska and

emory. there are only four hospitals that have that designation. they weren't sent to a community hospital like this. >> appreciate the update. the fact that a nurse has now contracted ebola is heightened concern here in dallas, particularly in the neighborhood where nina pham lives. they often saw her walking her dog and describe her as friendly, always smiling. they're alarmed that she's contracted ebola. concerned for her. many finding out bay reverse 911 call that the city made to residents in the area. listen. >> please be advised that a health care worker that lives in your area has tested positive for the ebola virus. this individual is in the hospital and is isolated. precautions are already in place to clean all known potential areas of contact to ensure public health. >> and the mayor of dallas went to that neighborhood to talk to people. we're going to talk to him in our next hour. obviously neighbors there wish her well. they hope this will be the last ebola diagnosis that hits so

close to home. gary tuchman reports tonight. >> reporter: the first person we know to have contracted ebola in the united states lives in this apartment building in this middle class neighborhood north of downtown dallas. people who live in the street are saddened and shocked by what has happened to 26-year-old nina pham. betsy bowlinger lives i had cross the street from her. >> we haven't seen her since wednesday or thursday. >> reporter: they usually see nina when they're walking their dogs. >> she's neighborly, friendly, positive, always has a smile. not everyone smiles when they're walking their dogs and not everyone says hello, especially if they're engaged in not picking up after them. but she always picks up after her dog, which is good. i would tell my husband, you know, she seems like somebody that's comfortable in her skin, respectable and belongs in the neighborhood. she mentioned once she was a nurse. we said, oh, that's interesting and applauded her for doing that because health care workers have a tough job being on the frontlines.

>> the concern is about their neighbor, but there is also substantial unease about not knowing details of how she came down with ebola. city and county officials have gone door to do in the neighborhood to answer questions about how ebola spreads, but it is nevertheless disconcerting to many neighbors. >> pretty alarming, you know, i'm pretty concerned now. so i mean, hopefully this will stay contained. >> reporter: on the corner of the block is the dallas beast fitness gym. even though nina pham doesn't work out here the owner says some of his clients are on edge. >> we sterilize every day now, every hour on the hour, we have wet naps, disinfectant rags that we wipe off the equipment with. we make sure we keep everything a little more clean. >> reporter: jacob deluna is a contractor doing work next to the victim's apartment. >> i'm nervous about it. this morning i told my wife i really didn't want to come over here, but i asked her to pray for me and she did. so i'm believing that the lord

will protect. >> this maintenance supervisor is carrying the mask just in case he feels the need to use it. >> the nurse contracted the virus, then, i mean, they usually take big precautions especially with this ebola virus, you know. and it's scary. seems like it might be more contagious than the doctors are saying. >> reporter: some neighbors tell us other residents have temporarily left their homes while work is taking place at the victim's apartment. but not betsy bowli ssy bolger husband who hope to welcome back their neighbor soon. >> anyone who is willing to go on the front lines and take care of an ebola patient, direct contact, that's brave. that's an angel to me. >> reporter: gary tuchman joins me now. the dog is obviously very important to her. and there were the incidents in spain where they euthanized, they killed the nurse's dog. >> we're being told nina's dog, a little terrier named bentley will be taken care of, no

euthanizati euthanization. lots of food, lots of water and lots of love and continue to monitor the dog. >> people say why are you even talking about a dog when so many people are obviously dying in west africa of this. this is a concern or health officials. they don't want people to feel like if you come forward with symptoms, that your dog is going to get killed. they want people to know that it's okay to come forward. you don't have to worry about what may happen to your dog. >> that's precisely the issue, yes. we love dogs, but the fact is they're concerned if someone has symptoms and they're afraid something will happen to their pet, they won't come forward. people will know their animal will be okay. >> gary tuchman, appreciate that. dr. sanjay gupta is going to join us. sanjay has been reporting in west africa on the front lines of this outbreak. also the director of the department of emergency medicine at new york's mt. sinai hospital joins us. he was involved in treating a

possible case there which turned out not to be ebola. dr. sheerer. and staff writer at the dallas morning news. and a former cdc detective. she joins me here live. sanj sanjay, what does it say that a nurse, not a family member of mr. duncan, but a nurse could contract ebola from him? >> well, you know, on one hand, you know, it's health care professionals who are dealing with patients who are the sickest from ebola. we know when they're sick, that's when they are potentially the most infectious, most contagious in that regard. in part, it's health care workers often who are the ones that get sick, especially in the early parts of an outbreak. on the other hand, she would be wearing personal protective gear, how does it happen despite the fact that she was wearing personal protective gear? those are the two issues here. she should have been protected. it's concerning, to answer your question directly, because the

personal protective gear should work if it's all done properly and not to place blame on her, but obviously something didn't work here. anderson, i want to make one quick point. you and i talked about this last week. but the doctors without borders have been taking care of patients for a long time in really tough areas in west africa, central and west africa. the doctors without borders have not had a single transmission up until this year of one of their health care team getting sick from a patient with ebola. this idea that you can -- it's not preordained that it will spread from patient to doctor or nurse in this case. it can be done properly. maybe it requires getting the doctors without borders to come to these hospitals and training them and how they do this in the field because they've had a really good track record. >> you live here, you work here, how concerned are people? and do we know if the protective gear that they were using in this hospital is the same as we're seeing in a lot of that video that was being used in

west africa? >> it's so hard to know without some direct responses from this hospital, anderson. there are so many questions from local residents, what exactly was the protocol being used? was there a buddy system where somebody would have observed the nurse putting on her equipment and then had a checklist and yes you did the right things or you missed something? it's hard to tell without that transparency which is really key. >> the national nurses union, united union, i should say, 76% of nurses say their hospitals have not communicated a policy on the potential of admitting patients infected by ebola. sanjay, that's pretty terrifying, not only for health care professionals but also for patients. >> it absolutely is. that was a startling statistic, especially given the fact that i was in west africa in april and with the cdc shortly after. they were saying back in may, we've got these plans going out to hospitals, community hospitals, emergency rooms all over the country so this can be standardized. obviously, that didn't happen.

infectious disease protocols, universal precautions should be the same really in hospitals all over the country. and they should apply here with regard to ebola as well. but obviously that's not happening. these nurses who are a part of that survey they just don't feel comfortable as things stand now. >> dr. sheerer in mt. sinai there was an ebola scare early on in august, you guys have containment facilities. the protective gear that you would wear, is it the same as being worn in west africa? is it that complete suit? >> well, anderson, it's not as complete as that, but it is -- it meets the cdc requirements for what you would need to be safe and to be able to care for patients safely. for them and for yourself. >> and how complex is -- i mean, just taking off that suit, dr. sheerer, did you have a buddy system? because i've heard that's really critical in a health care setting to have somebody watching you take off the suit.

>> right. it certainly is because, again, it's a step by step procedure. you want to make sure that each and every step along the way you're following the proper protocol, and you have someone out there to call out to you if you're mistaking something, removing a glove, disposing of something. that certainly is critical. again, training and practicing is probably the most important thing, not just putting on but also taking off. >> now there's this issue of dr. nancy snyderman who was in west africa reporting. her cameraman became sick. her and her crew have returned to the united states. they were under not mandatory quarantine, voluntary quarantine. they apparently violated that, went out for a meal, she's now apologized for that publicly, but now she's under mandatory quarantine. how important it is for somebody who comes in contact with it to maintain the quaurntine? >> it's absolutely crucial.

if they had that exposure they could become a patient themselves. they need to make sure they do isolate themselves. public health does have some kind of legal authority to say you have to stay within your home. oftentimes in my experience, you try not to use those. it can be very intimidating. we try to explain the importance that people do that themselves. >> sanjay, one of the things that dr. snyderman said in her statement, she apologized. i'm not experiencing any symptoms, none of us are. therefore it's impossible for us to trael spread the virus. >> i think that's a really crucial point. you remember those patients in dallas that were quarantined, the family members and friends of mr. duncan. the reason they were quarantined was not because of the concern of a risk to public health. they weren't sick. they wouldn't spread the virus. the concern was, for whatever reason, they thought they may not get their monitoring, they may not get their temperature checked daily. they thought these people would not show up for those appointments or temperature

checks. that's a very different reason. i actually spoke to nancy today. she sort of highlighted that. she clearly made a mistake and should have checked in with the department of health. and in a pure risk to public health, she's not sick, she's not a risk to public health. everybody does agree on that point. you don't spread this until you're sick. >> and louise, the woman who was living with thomas duncan while he was visiting here in the united states, she's still under quaurntine up until next week. we'll talk to a pastor who has been spending time with her. dr. sanjay gupta, thanks, dr. sheerer, dr. yasmine, thank you as well. you can set your dvrs to watch 360 when you like. when it comes to health care workers who have contact with ebola patients, it's not just about the protective gear they wear but how they put it on and take it off. sanjay's going to show us how that happens and why it's so critical.

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the head of the cdc said today the united states needs to rethink ebola infection control is being addressed because, in his words, even one infection is unacceptable. now, we don't know exactly how this nurse here contracted ebola while she was treating a patient in dallas, but as we mentioned before the break, officials tell cnn that cdc disease detectives interviewed her several times and thought there were, quote, inconsistencies, to use their

word, in the type of protective gear she wore and the process of puing it on and taking it off. i want to show you exactly what that process looks like. who better to do it than our 360 dr. sanjay gupta. >> i want to give you an idea what the cdc is recommending with protective gear. i'll show you how to take it off which some say is the most dangerous part. i work in an operating room every week. this is different than what most doctors, i think, are used to at least in the operating room. i do want to point out this is a little different than how i suited up when we were in guinea. but we're following cdc protocol. i'm going to show you how we'll take this off and i'll put chocolate sauce in my hand which could represent a possible ebola contamination. this is the mask. so here's would be the most

likely contaminated area, my gloves and maybe the front of my gown like this. now i got to treat this as if i'm potentially contaminated. i come out, what i'm going to do with this particular gown, i'm going to rip it all off together and everything will come off simultaneously. but if a part of the glove brushed against my hand, my arm there, that could be a potential exposure. if the glove didn't come off properly i'd reach underneath here as best i could. but perhapses if i didn't do it exactly right there could be another potential exposure there. i'm reaching behind now as well as i can, but let's say the side of my face shield was contaminated and i touched here, that could potentially be an exposure. same thing with the face mask. so now take a look. right there, see a little bit of chocolate sauce. one possible exposure and over here on my neck, one poshl exposure. >> sanjay's with us again along

with dr. peter sheerer of mt. sinai hospital. it's fascinating to see you do that. taking the protective gear off, clearly the training isn't as effective or even with a lot of training doing that all by yourself seems like it would be incredibly easy to become contaminated. the gloves could break easily. >> there's no question. i want to point out something you brought up earlier. that's what we just did, that was cdc protocol. we looked at the sheet and followed the guidelines exactly. it's also very different from what we saw out in west africa with doctors without borders. when you come out of the tents, you are actually sprayed down with a bleach-like solution on to your gloves. you can dip your gloves into a bucket of bleach before you do this other stuff. there's these other steps that make a difference. you saw i got a contamination with that chocolate sauce on my neck, that's because not all my skin was covered. i shave. there could be cuts on my neck because of shaving.

that could be a possible entry point as well. it just wasn't covered up. i was a little surprised when i did this demonstration by following the cdc guidelines exactly they weren't nearly as protective as what we saw in west africa. >> dr. sheerer, why not use the full kind of suits like doctors without borders are using in west africa? >> you could make the argument that using a more complex suit would lead to a more complex procedure of putting on and taking off where there could be more room for errors. you need to make sure that the people are trained in the equipment they have at their hospital that's approved by the cdc and to repeat the training in it so they can, just as dr. gupta saw, identify the errors and improve on them. one of the other things is when dr. gupta did it just earlier, he didn't necessarily have someone monitoring him. readvising him on what steps to take o where he may have made an error. >> sanjay, do you think that would have helped you, to have somebody -- obviously it would

have helped, but would it make a huge difference to have someone watching you? >> the whole notion of the buddy system, doctors without borders, they do the buddy system there. it would make a difference both in putting on and taking off. putting on less risky, but you want to make sure you've done everything correctly. i did that in a studio for this program but someone about to go in and take care of a patient with ebola, the nerves, the anxiety might be a little higher. could you miss a step? having somebody watching you inspecting you at the end could make a dins, but especially when you take it off. there are a lot of steps, i agree. you want to balance and not make it too complicated because more errors could occur. but the fact that my skin is not fully covered under the cdc guidelines here, that was surprising to me and very different to west africa where they've done a really good job with this, of not getting secondary infections. >> dr. sheerer, certainly as a layman, i would want to be

covered as much as possible. and the idea being sprayed down even before i took off the garment would be something i would certainly want to have happen. with these kind of garments, though, i guess you can't be sprayed down because they're not resistant to liquids, right? >> they're impermeable. but it depends on the ones that water can pass through, some are tied down. again if you are sprayed down dr. gupta, part of his skin was exposed and that could have created even a deeper exposure. you can certainly still wash your hands after taking care of a patient with the fwluvs on, that could minimize it. there are additional steps people can take. >> dr. sheerer, appreciate you being on, sanjay gupta as well. you can find out more on this story and others at cnn.com. just ahead, the medical waste collected by haz-mat crews where victim thomas duncan stayed. that is in limbo now.

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the breaking news tonight a possible ebola case here in kansas. here in dallas tonight the nurse who contracted ebola while caring for thomas duncan has been identified. her name is nina pham. there's late word that she's now received a blood transfusion from an ebola survivor, from dr. brantly who got ebola in liberia. she's the first american to actually contract ebola without leaving the united states. workers wearing haz-mat suits were dispatched to clear her apartment soon after she was diagnosed. they took away a barrel presumably full of possibly contaminated items from her apartment. it took days before haz-mat crews cleaned the dallas apartment where thomas dungeon stayed after arriving from liberia. the mother of one of his children, louise, who i talked to, and several other people were initially quarantined there. now they've been moved. tonight the medical waste that was finally collected from that apartment is in limbo. we're talking about from the apartment of thomas eric duncan. the waste company had planned to take to it a landfill in

louisiana but now authorities in louisiana are refusing to accept it. drew griffin reports. >> reporter: it is this waste, the attorney general of louisiana is worried about. the bags of sheets and clothes and stuff that ebola victim eric duncan may have touched or soiled while he was sick and living inside this dallas apartment. the bags of waste were hauled away, disinfected, then placed into 55-gallon drums. the drums taken to this port arthur, texas, facility for incineration. burned into ashes. the ashes is what louisiana's attorney general says he doesn't want in louisiana. there are too many unknowns at this point, says louisiana attorney general buddy caldwell. and says it is absurd to transport potentially hazardous ebola waste across state lines. what's absurd, says infectious waste expert dr. gavin skinner says how uninformed louisiana's

governor is on the danger of incinerated ebola waste and how that's adding to hysteria. >> if he's concerned you do a simple test on the waste and show there's no virus in there. we know that's a waste of money and resources because that virus is dead. has zero risk to the environment, to people, to anyone being infectious. >> reporter: despite the lack of risk, the waste management company has sent out a statement saying it will not ship the ebola ashes to a louisiana landfill. apparently to avoid a legal fight with the state's attorney general. there is, though, a real problem in the u.s. dealing with ebola waste and it's happening where it would be generated. hospitals need to be equipped with these. it is a supersized pressure steam device called an autoclave. think of it as a huge, high temperature pressure cooker for hospital garbage capable of killing any germ or virus. >> it's a specialized waste and

it requires on-site incineration or placed in an autoclave which means it's sterilized here on site before we ship it off to the final disposition. >> anybody who does that needs to be trained? >> correct, our personnel goes through training and it gets precautions as it left the area and went to isolation area before being placed in the autoclave. >> reporter: many hospitals don't have these large scale devices to take care of the enormous amount of waste from just a single ebola patient which is why, privately we're told, many hospitals hope to never see anyone carrying the ebola virus. >> drew, there are hospitals in the u.s. fully capable of handling ebola patients and their waste, right? >> most major hospitals can handle this. they have isolation rooms, the capacity to get rid of the waste but there are just four, believe it or not, in the u.s. that are fully sfid and equipped and have been training specifically for

ebola treatment. that's why these known ebola patients that we know about, the ones that are coming over from africa are sent there. emory here in atlanta, the facility in omaha, nebraska, the national institutes of health in bethesda, maryland. and st. patrick's hospital in missoula, if you have a known ebola patient, this is where they're sent. the problem is what do you do with people just walking into their nearest hospital as was the case in dallas? that's the emergency this country seems to be unprepared for and all the experts we've talked to say that's what needs to be addressed. what is the plan in your hospital if somebody walks in off the street? are you equipped or not to handle this? do you have the proper procedures in place to handle this? anderson? >> that's why the case here in dallas is so concerning and raising so many questions about how prepared hospitals are to deal with this kind -- but just to be clear, that waste from thomas duncan's apartment, it's been incinerated, so it cannot

spread the virus. my understanding is even if it hadn't been incinerated, the virus doesn't live forever on its own. ultimately it becomes inert, correct? >> right, well, i'm not a doctor and i'm not a scientist but the doctors and the scientists, they ul have been saying that this virus does not live long outside the body. it's not like it's going to last like the flu bug on a door knob or a light switch very long. but this waste coming out of that apartment, it was disinfected first, then put into the drums, then the entire drum with everything in it was burned down to ashes. now, i'm not a doctor and i'm not a scientist but i can guarantee you there's nothing alive in there that's going to cause anybody any harm. >> drew, appreciate it. that bears repeating. we don't want to cause panic here. this dog was euthanized after his owner, a spanish nurse, was diagnosed with ebola. we talked about this earlier. in texas authorities reaching a

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welcome back to breaking news tonight, a kansas hospital is testing a patient for ebola tonight. we've also learned the identity of the dallas nurse who contracted ebola while caring for thomas duncan, her name is nina pham. you remember dr. brantly became positive with ebola contracted it in liberia, came back here, was treated at emory. his blood has already been used in two other patients. now in this nurse pham. the diagnosis has raised concerns here, obviously, in dallas, about the safety of health care workers treating ebola patients here. not only in dallas but across the country and around the world. it puts the spotlight on dogs that have been exposed to ebola. authorities have decided against killing pham's dog. her pet is being monitored by officials. the dog named excalibur belongs to a spanish nurse was not so lucky. authorities killed that dog even though there's no documented

case of any dog spreading ebola to humans. but it does raise the question about animals. one study shows dogs can get ebola without showing any symptoms. joining me now is an associate professor of biological sciences at purdue. and also back with us is dr. yasmine. do we know much about dogs and ebola and other animals? >> there are very few studies. one cdc study from 2001/2002 that shows in gabon dogs did come in contact with patients but didn't become sick with the virus. the dogs could excrete the virus. so there was that possible transmission possible from dogs to humans but no documented evidence of that happening. >> interesting, professor sanders, the idea -- does that mean that dogs certainly can transmit the virus? can they be tested for it if they're not showing signs for it? >> they can be tested for it. there are a variety of ways to

test it, through looking at nucleic acids or antibody responses to the virus. the concept that viruses in animals can be transmitted to humans and can have potential harmful consequences, that's obvious. i mean, we know that ebola is circulating probably in fruit bats. they, as the natural host, don't actually show any signs of infection. they don't have any symptoms, yet somehow it's being transferred to humans even directly or through the intermediary of nonhuman primates. so infected animals not showing signs of infection can potentially be capable of transferring the virus to humans. >> how long would a dog in this case need to be quarantined before they don't have any risk? >> that's a great question. so in general when we're talking about rna viruses such as ebola virus, they don't tend to

persist. there are some that do. but we talk about the same type of incubation period for humans, three weeks. the problem is we haven't really studied the progress of ebola in dogs. there's one study that was published on dogs in gabon that had been eating infected -- infected individuals and they were able to see that they had antibodies. but we didn't really follow the progression of the virus propagation in the dogs, so we really don't know for sure. what's necessary is observation, detection and quarantine until we're sure that the dog is no longer infected. but i think one of the most important points is if you're going to keep the dog alive, you have to have some sort of decisions about what you're going to do later on if the dog is infected. what decision are you going to make at the time? you have to decide that up front. >> dr. yasmine, again, i talked

about this with gary tuchman. but there are a lot of people watching saying why are you talking about dogs? inappropriate for you to worry about dogs when we have people dying in west africa. the reason we're bringing this up -- and we've seen this in disasters before, people not wanting to leave their homes because they couldn't bring an animal to a shelter. the fear is among health care workers and cdc officials is if people are afraid that their dogs are going to be killed, they might not come forward if they're showing symptoms. >> absolutely. that's why we need to research this. dogs are very much part of our families in the western world. they're important to people. we need to understand what would happen to somebody if their dog did have the virus. like dr. sanders said, what information can we get to people so they do feel safe to come forward if they have symptoms of ebola. >> thank you. just ahead, in this hour, how loved ones of ebola victim

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brantly, the american doctor who survived an ebola infection. the third time he's donated his blood to a patient. five days ago that thomas duncan died. it's important not to forget that. his loved ones are grieving. pastor george mason of the wiltshire baptist church has been providing support. he joins me here in dallas. thank you for being here again. >> pleasure to be with you. >> this just bears repeating because a lot of people point fingers at thomas dungeocan, th is a man who died because he helped a pregnant teenaged girl who collapsed in the village where he was saying. while people may be concerned about how he came here, he died because he helped somebody else. >> exactly. isn't that what we want everyone to do? at the end of the day when people are sick and hurting, we want them to be there. i think it should bear remembering that she was a pregnant young woman and there's no sense that automatically because she's sick she must have ebola. >> in fact, if she wasn't

diagnosed with ebola until well after he left. >> absolutely. >> that's based on the reporting of a reporter who was there and talked to officials. >> it carries over even more because there's going to be a time here, lord willing, that they're not symptomatic and they're out of quarantine, then the question is how will we tell their stories when they re-enter the community? will people welcome them and celebrate that they're able to enter back into our lives? >> how concerned is louise about that? you're in touch with louise, she's a member of your congregation. >> reasonably so because you can't control other people's reactions to you. she would like people to know that they love the community they live in and the people that are in that area. she's an american citizen. >> she's been living here for years and years. >> many years. she reared her child here and she has other children and nieces and nephews and family around. she would like to re-enter the community and just be an american and hard working person. >> that's one of the thins that you and your congregation is

trying to help her with. >> we are. >> she's got to find some place to live. you compare her to someone that lived through a fire. everything she has is wrong. >> you have to add to that someone died in that fire, too. there's a certain human grief that's going on where she's mourning the loss of this person on the one hand that she didn't get to say good-bye to. she didn't get to go to the hospital. she didn't get to have the rights of intimacy and love that come with that relationship, now she's grieving. she can't even touch anyone. these people are in this house all day long. when i come in, we hug this way. we just talk like this. we say love ya, you know? because they can't touch each other, i can't touch them. >> how much longer -- does she have another week in quarantine? >> a week from today is when they're eligible to come out. we hope to have everything ready for that to happen. >> she's had no symptoms. >> no symptoms. three times a day they take their temperature. they look at each other and what's that number and how are

you doing? they record all of that. they don't live day to day, they live from temperature taking to temperature taking and they're trying to find god in the midst of this tension between grove and the future that they hope to have when they get out and to think about that. >> pastor, i appreciate all you're doing. >> thank you. >> we're following several other stories tonight. kyung lah has a bulletin. >> state-run media published these photos of him using a cane but it's unclear when they were taken. he was last seen september 3rd at a concert with his wife. isis is on baghdad's door steps. local forces are having a tough time battling the terror group in nearby anbar province. some isis fighters are ten miles from baghdad's airport. isis has also gained for control

near the turkish border. new protests and ten arrests in ferguson, missouri, today. demonstrators at the march called for the arrest of the officer that shot michael brown in august. police are searching for a man who threw a smoke bomb into a restaurant on friday. they popped out of a subway emergency hatch and taught the canister and disappeared. it's raising security concerns. >> a bizarre story indeed. all this month on cnn we're featuring a series of special reports "roots: our journeys home." we're digging into our family trees. next hour i invite you to take a journey with me to the deep south to uncover my own family's history. we'll have updates on ebola, but we'll be playing you this part of my journey home. here's a preview. trying to find the old cooper

family cemetery. it's here along the mississippi/alabama border. deep in the woods, hard to find. near a house where my great-grandfather william preston cooper used to live. we traveled along a dirt roads for miles. a forest of trees and canyons of kudzu before we finally found it. relatives might have been working to try to clear the undergrowth and cut down trees to try to clear the cemetery but one of the kind of amazing things about it the cemetery is so old the headstones have disappeared or been worn away by the element. you can't see names of people any more. hard to tell what's a headstone. my family's roots in the next hour of "360." actually a lot of big surprises i learned about my family. in minutes at the top of the hour, new information tonight about the nurse battling ebola here in dallas. the first transmission of the disease in the united states.

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thanks for joining us for this extended edition of "360". we're live in dallas tonight with breaking news about the nurse that's been diagnosed with ebola. her name is nina pham. she's 26 and she contracted ebola after treating thomas duncan who died in the hospital last week. tonight we learn that she has already received a blood transfusion from an ebola survivor. that survivor is dr. kent brantly. he, as you know, contracted the disease in west africa, recovered after coming back to the united states for treatment in atlanta. there's another possible case here in the united states. this one in kansas. the patient is a man who just returned to the united states five days ago after working as a medic on a ship off the west coast of africa, which, as you know, is the hot zone for this ebola outbreak. senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen is here with the

latest. >> i just got off the phone with the pokespokeswoman for the hospital. this man had vomiting, diarrhea, fever and just feels really awful. >> which are all the key signs. >> they are. they're also the key signs for all illnesses. >> sure. >> while he was on the ship he noticed he treated people with typhoid fever. they said did you treat anyone with ebola? he said we can't test for ebola on a ship. it might not be ebola because he was treating people with a variety of diseases. but it could be ebola. they've taken his blood and it's in the process -- >> he's been in the united states for five days. has he been sick all that time? >> it's not entirely clear how long he's been sick but he's felt sick for a while. this is not sudden. >> is it just today that he's gone to the hospital, do we know? >> yeah, that's our understanding is that he just got to the hospital. >> and it's fascinating to know that -- do we know when we'll

get test results? >> the test can be done in about four to six hours. i'm told that it's in the process of being sent to atlanta. they're also sending a specimen to another lab that's closer to kansas. by tomorrow, they should know. >> fascinating news that the nurse here has received a blood transfusion from dr. kent brantly. that's also our breaking news tonight. elizabeth, thanks so much. president obama met with senior administration officials at the white house this afternoon to talk about the response the new dallas case and how the country as a whole is prepared to deal with an outbreak. senior white house correspondent jim acosta joins me now live. jim, the white house said ten days ago that the u.s. health care system knew how to handle this and yet here we are. does it seem like the administration has been caught off guard here? >> i think somewhat, anderson. ten days ago lisa monica, really the unnamed obama czar at this point she's leading the efforts to deal with ebola.

she said the u.s. health care system is unmatched when it comes to dealing with ebola and preventing an outbreak from happening here in the u.s. now you hear dr. thomas friedan from the cdc saying he would not be surprised if additional health care workers who came into contact with thomas duncan, whether they may infected. that's why officials in the cdc and the obama administration is taking another look at the procedures for dealing with ebola patients. the possibility has come up that they may start transporting these patients through the biocontainment centers like they have in nebraska where an american journalist is being treated. that's being reviewed. >> members of congress are calling for the president to take stronger action. senator mccain say he should appoint an ebola czar. others want to see a travel ban put into place. is the administration considering really any of those possibilities? >> at this point they're saying no, no ebola czar. lisa monaco is in charge of the effort for the administration. they say, to that idea of an

ebola czar, that would just add another layer of bureaucracy. they point out that john mccain back in 2009 criticized the president for having too many czars. when it comes to this travel ban idea, that came up once again at the cdc, no, they're not considering a travel ban. that could be counterproductive because it could hurt u.s. health workers from getting into africa to lead an effort to prevent it from coming to the united states and could cause a panic over there. they're getting nervous at the white house. the president said in that meeting with his national security advisers and people leading up this effort like thomas frieden that he wants an expeditious conclusion to this investigation in dallas in terms the of how that nurse in dallas contracted ebola. they want an answer to that here at the white house. >> certainly people want that answer here in dallas as well. jim acosta, thank you. here's a man working around the clock on this. dallas mayor mike rawlins.

when you first got the word that this nurse here, nurse pham, had tested positive, what happened? i mean, what goes through your mind as the worst case scenario obviously? >> i'm kind of a glass half empty guy, so i was kind of expecting the other shoe to drop, but it was a great disappointment. it was a shot in the gut. we pulled our staff together, pulled the county together. >> i understand you spent basically the night at the hospital. >> trying to be ready by 7:30 so when the citizens woke up they knew as much as they could and that we'd done what was appropriate at the apartment with the car, doing all the things that we could do overnight. >> i understand you didn't even sleep, laid down, then you also then went to the neighborhood of the nurse just to talk to people. it's got to be a delicate balance. on the one hand, you want to give out accurate information. you don't want to make people doubt what you're saying. you don't want to make people nervous, but you want to be honest with people.

>> you got to be transparent. you got to tell people real information realtime. but you also have to take care of privacy issues. we've got a hero up here laying up here and these parents are loving people. they want this to be a private matter but it's a public matter. how do you do this? we tell as much information as we can as quickly as we can. we learned a lot two weeks ago. we're learning on how that happens. >> you were talking about all the different agencies involved and it's a learning process certainly to say the least. who's in charge now? i mean, how does it actually work? >> well, first of all, i think everybody's done a great job from a communications standpoint. the county is in charge of the health of the dallas county. so clay jenkins is taking point but he's really listening to the state because the state has jurisdiction overall when they want it. but the state is deferring to a

lot of issues. i'm in charge of public safety. >> and the cdc, are they kind of advice? >> well, first of all, very good advice because we go to all medical issues on that. they brought in more people to be on the ground. but they're focused on this hospital, they're focused on the health care workers, they're focused on the disease part of this. >> and the protocols and the disease itself. >> the protocol and the disease which i don't know anything about. we need to make sure the citizens are as safe as they can. we take their instruction and we implement it. like what do you do with this pet? we had to do a lot of work with the cdc but the city took charge of that. >> does seem just talking to people on the plane flying in here today, people are very aware of it. they're obviously concerned but people also got this in perspective. the life of dallas continues on, restaurants are open. i'm going out to eat later

tonight. life continues. >> the ou/texas game. people are anxious but appropriately so. i'm anxious but not fearful, not panicked, not all these words that have been used. i think people are asking the right questions about their schools, and we're trying to get back to them as quickly as we can. >> mayor rawlings, we appreciate it. set your dvr, you can watch the program whenever you like. just ahead, are the screening measures at airports in west africa, are they strong enough to contain the ebola epidemic. we'll talk to a reporter that just left liberia. she'll explain the process she and her crew went through at the airport.

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welcome back. we're live in dallas. cnn national correspondent has been doing reporting from west

africa, the epicenter of the ebola crisis. now she's leaving liberia which allows us to learn more about the screening process at the airport. i spoke with her on the phone a short time ago. you just went through airport security. what was the screening process there like? >> it was definitely more stringent than the last time we came through about a month ago. there are now three separate temperature checks. one initially when you come in to the gate and the second as you enter the departure terminal. then there's a third once you check in and going to the departure lounge. it's stepped up in that sense. the questionnaire that patients, that travelers have to answer. that's also changed. the questions were very much have you been in contact with an ebola patient? have you attended to an ebola patient? and they've broadened it out to have you been at the funeral of someone who died in an ebola

area? which seems to be directly to the case of thomas eric duncan. >> but it still relies on a person self-reporting, on a person being honest about what kind of contact they have or have had other than the taking of the temperature, correct? >> yes. very much. the taking of the temperature is -- without that final temperature check written on your boarding pass, you're not allowed to board the plane. >> if somebody wanted to game the system, as long as they didn't have a fever, they could just lie on the forms that they have to fill out, correct? >> yes. there's a statement at the bottom of the form that you will be liable for criminal prosecution if you do lie. but once you're out of the country, how easy that will be to prosecute. but the system is based on a foundation of trust that the individual will self-declare. but if the patient doesn't self-declare, then they can't

stop someone who is knowingly, an ebola patient leaving the country. >> does it seem like the airport is well staffed to screen passengers in a reasonable amount of time? >> they seem to have been -- they have a buildup in terms of medical health professionals taking temperatures. the numbers have definitely gone up since the last time we were here. there also seems to be a real concerted effort to control the flow of people in and out of the airport. so business here is people waiting, they're not allowed to -- and the travelers themselves and even the workers, the people carrying the baggage, they have their temperature checked coming in and out consistently. you do feel like they're trying, within the limits that is possible, but the reality is what is possible is still not enough to guarantee that someone might slip through the net. >> nima elbagir, thank you for

joining us. >> thanks, anderson. bye. >> back in the united states, an update on the ebola patient being treated in nebraska. doctors say ashoek ga mukpo is getting an experimental drug. mukpo himself tweeted today. he's back on twitter saying back on twitter feeling like i'm on the road to good health. will be posting thoughts this week. endless gratitude for the good vibes. now that i've had firsthand experience with this scourge of a disease i'm even more pained at little care sick west africans are receiving. it has the type of facility that's prepared to deal with an ebola case. there's been some talk about ebola patients only being sent to those types of hospitals. dr. phil smith is the medical director of the biocontainment unit at nebraska hospital where

the cameraman is being treated. i spoke to him a short time ago. dr. smith, how is the training that people in your facility get, the rehearsals, i mean, how is it different than what other hospitals would have in a routine containment facility? >> we have a number of mechanical things including ppe and special air flow and everything. but the key in terms of our training is that we, number one, have been doing it for years. we've been practicing quarterly for quite a few years. and secondly, nobody puts on their apparel or takes off their apparel by themselves. no matter how experienced they are, people are prone to making mistakes. we know that from experience with infection control in ordinary hospitals. so if i'm putting on my gear someone stands in front of me and has a checklist on the wall and goes down, one, two, three, four and which gloves to put on, which order, how to put the tape on, they say okay to go.

even more importantly the doffing. when you come out of the room, you have potential contamination on your uniform, you're hot, distracted and someone meets you and says you're not going anywhere until i go through a checklist. take off the right glove and left glove and in between you wash, so forth. >> how easy is it for an individual doing it by themselves to make a mistake, to expose themselves while taking off their gloves or once their gloves are off they're taking off other parts of the outfit? >> well, we don't know. we know that very small numbers of ebola can cause infection. on the other hand, you have situations where someone with ebola that should be contagious lives in an apartment or a room in the u.s. or in africa with other people who don't get it, that makes you think it's not as contagious as you think. but we have a lot to learn about the epidemiology and spread of this organism but certainly there are instances of it spreading with perhaps through

the environment getting on your gown, getting on your hand from touching the environment that make us cautious. >> and what's interesting is your facility was built in the wake of 9/11. it was built really in the wake of that as part of the push for preparedness in the event of a bioterrorist attack. and essentially, from my understanding, it sat empty for years. there were times you actually had to fight to justify its existence. i just wonder after sitting ready for so long, what were those first moments like when you realized you would actually be receiving an ebola patient? >> well, it was very gratifying that something we worked for -- the unit had people in it. regular hospital overflow patients. and it was used extensively for a regional training program in high isolation, but it's one thing to train. then we had a couple of near misses. people we thought might have viral hemorrhagic fever who turned out to have a noncontagious disease like

malaria. when you first get that phone call to say you're getting an ebola patient, it's pretty amazing. one has a whole variety of emotions that goes through your head. excitement, apprehension, intellectual challenge to a certain amount of fear. >> dr. smith, i appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. thank you. >> thank you. >> as always, you can find out more on this story and others at cnn.com. just ahead, breaking news, an ebola survivor has provided blood for a transfusion for nina pham, the nurse who is now battling ebola here in dallas. how big a difference might that make in her fight? our medical panel joins me ahead. my journey into my past where i found, well, it just might surprise you. deep in the woods we found an overgrown cemetery from another branch of my family. so this is the bull cemetery. >> i haven't been here in a long time. that's right.

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welcome back. tonight's breaking news, a kansas hospital is testing a

patient for ebola tonight. the person has been placed in isolation. and here in dallas, nina pham, the nurse who contracted ebola while treating thomas duncan has received a blood transfusion from ebola survivor dr. kent brantley. you'll rather that dr. brantly was treated at emory in atlanta after being air lifted from ebola. he was the first american air lifted here to the united states. he received the experimental treatment zmapp. there's still no answer to exactly how nina pham was exposed. dr. sanjay gupta showed us the process of removing protective gear and how easily fluid can be transferred to the skin if it's on the gown for instance. it's a fascinating look. i want to replay part of it for you to show how difficult it is taking off the gear. >> my gloves, maybe the front of my gown. like this. i have to treat this as if i'm

potentially contaminated. i'm going to rip it all off together. and everything will come off simultaneously. but if a part of the glove brushed against my hand, my arm there, that could be a potential exposure. if the glove didn't come off properly, i'd reach underneath here as best i could. but perhaps if i didn't do it exactly right, there could be another potential exposure there. i'm reaching behind now as well as i can, but let's say the side of my face shield was contaminated and i touched here, that could potentially be an exposure. same thing with the face mask. so now take a look. right there, see a little bit of chocolate sauce. one possible exposure and over here on my neck, one possible exposure. >> sanjay joins me now and seema yasmin and dr. alexander

van tulochan. so easy to make a mistake? >> this is interesting, one of those things where people who are trained, there's all these different sort of steps to try and prevent what i just showed you there, a potential exposure. what i'm sort of surprised by, anderson, and we followed to the tee cdc guidelines. when we were in west africa, doctors without borders working in much more remote conditions, okay? they don't have nearly the same sot of resources as in these american hospital. they've been taking care of patients for a long time. we've had ebola outbreaks in the world since 1976. up until this year they never had a case of a patient transmitting the virus to the health care workers. remember i dunked my hands in bleach before i took my gloves off. i was sprayed down with a bleach solution before i started taking

any of the other stuff off. there was a buddy involved who inspected my setup, i inspected his setup as we were going in and coming out. i was covered from head to toe, no skin showing. that was a basic dhithing that makes sense. i'm surprised that the cdc guidelines don't seem to require that. i'm curious why that is and why it isn't more stringent. >> dr. yasmin, the fact that this nurse has received a blood transfusion from dr. kent brantly, explain how that works, why it's so significant. >> the idea is that dr. kent brantly survived ebola, that means in his blood he has these special proteins called antibodies. they attack the virus, stick on it and neutralize it. with this nurse what's really good, she did come into the hospital very early on. she hadn't had the fever for long at all. by giving her these antibodies or pre-made proteins that can latch on to the virus, help to kill it and gives her more of a

fighting chance question the disease. >> you say the united states has been a bit overconfident when it comes to ebola. the biggest problem is lack of training. why do you think people weren't better prepared? >> well, it's actually really hard to know because this is the cdc's job and it's the job of the hospitals and the local public health authority. what there should have been, we've had many months to prepare for what was very likely to be a case of ebola in the u.s. and someone should have been anticipating every single possibility and going through these drills and then making sure that people in hospitals were trained to implement them. what we see from what sanjay is doing there how hard it is to do these drills and train our people now. the answer is no one ever got a medal when there wasn't an ebola epidemic. what you get is a medal for responding. it's easier to get the respond up once you have cases here. >> in terms of that response, you say it's more important to

focus on the training of the health care workers than taking people's temperatures at the airport. in terms of results and protecting people, that's more important. >> it's really concerning we have health care workers infected in america. because if health care workers lose confidence and feel they aren't protected or indeed aren't protected and both those things would seem to be the case, then you see what we saw in toronto during sars is people not showing up to work and reasonably so. at that point you have people with ebola or people who fear they have ebola not going to hospital and the risk is much higher. at the airport you can screen everybody getting off the plane but unless they've got the fever right then, unless they develop symptoms right then, it will be impossible to catch everyone. this we know from other epidemics as well so sars and mrsa as well, that cost tens of millions and no cases whatsoever. >> i was reading that.

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tonight i want to invite you on a journey with me. a personal journey i took for cnn's series "roots:our journeys

home." tonight my turn. a pretty big shift from what we usually do at cnn. our job is to tell other people's stories. for the past year, though, i and other cnn journalists have been tracing our roots. our family trees reveal some remarkable secrets and connections to people, places and moments in history a lot of us never imagined. here's where my journey took me. ♪ my dad wyatt cooper died when i was 10. when you're a kid and you lose a parent, it's like the world as you know it comes to an end. the clocks are reset. the calendar goes back to zero. after my dad died in 1978, it was just me, my mom and my brother carter. my mom and dad met at a dinner party in 1962. they couldn't have been from more different backgrounds. that's the thing that interested me the most about my heritage. the different branches my family tree mapped out by ancestry.com

started off so apart and have come together in me. my mom is gloria vanderbilt. she was born into a family of great wealth, but it was a different time, when parents like hers had little to do with raising their kids. her dad was reginald vanderbilt. he died when she was an infant. her mom gloria morgan was just 18 and had no idea how to raise a child. when my mom was 10, her father's sister, gertrude vanderbilt whitney, a skulter who founded new york's whitney museum went to court to take custody of my mom away from my grandmother. at the time it was called the trial of the century. it was at the height of the depression and made headlines around the world. it's hard to believe, but the court decided my mom should be taken away from her own mother and raised by her aunt gertrude who she barely knew. for my mom, that wound, that pain, is something that's never gone away.

whenever people ask me about my family history, they're usually just referring to the vanderbilt side of my family, which is understandable, i suppose. the first vanderbilt came to america back in 1650. his name was jan artsen vanderbilt. he settled in new york. he was an indentured servant. but within several generations the family's fortune took a turn. my great-great-grandfather was born in staten island. at 16 he borrowed money and bought a small boat and began ferrying cargo on the hudson. cornelius vanderbilt was a tough businessman to say the least. he undercut his competitors and built a neat of steam ships eventually moving into railroad. this is new york's grand central terminal. back in 1869 cornelius vanderbilt bought land here in

what's known as midton manhattan to build a depot for his railroad. it wasn't called grand central terminal until 1913. there's an imposing statue of himself outside the building. i remember seeing it when i was a little kid. for years i believed all grandparents turned into statues when they die. subsequent generations built huge mansions. excess is what they became known for. there's some enormous houses in newport, rhode island, that are now museums open to the public but many of the mansions they built in new york have been torn down. this was my great-grandmother's house which once occupied an entire block on new york's fifth avenue. it's gone and now the department store bergdorf goodman stands in its spot. growing up i never really paid much attention to the history of the vanderbilts. i read about them in school books, but they never seemed real to me. it was like reading about strangers. the truth is i was always glad not to have that vanderbilt last

name and all the baggage that came with it. i always wanted to make a name for myself. the part of my mom's family that did interest me as a kid was her mother's side. her mom, gloria morgan, was incredibly beautiful and had an identical twin a sister named tilma. their father was an american diplomat and their maur laura del feen was half chilean. lori kill patrick morgan's father had married a chilean woman when he was the counsel to chilly. his name was general judson k l kilpatri kilpatrick. he's been a cavalry officer fighting for the union in theself war. they called him kill cavalry because he got so many of his own men killed. he was one of lincoln's youngest generals who was deeply opposed to slavery but was also deeply political and corrupt.

i was stunned to learn the two very different branches of my family nearly met. it happened on a battlefield in the civil war. my great-great-grandfather was shot and wounded and had to leave the battlefield. the very next day, burl cooper, my great-great-grandfather on my fath father's side joined the battle. he was fighting for the confederacy. i find it amazing that these two branches of my family came so close together here on this field in georgia. one opposed to the evils of slavery fighting for the union, the other for the confederacy, fighting to support slavery. my dad was born here in miss sip ne 1927. though growing up as a kid i never felt all that connected to the vanderbilt side of my family i was always really interested in my dad's southern roots. my dad and i look a lot alike. this was him as a kid. this was me.

my dad's dad emmett cooper was a farmer. i like this photo of him a lot. his heavy-lidded eyes, the air of sadness about him. he married my grandmother jenny anderson when she was a teenager. my dad was born in this house in 1927. the house my dad was born in has long since been torn down. there's no sign of it any more. the land is mostly forest, though it's still owned by coopers. my dad wrote a book a few years before he died called families. it's a ma'am war about growing up in mississippi and a celebration of the importance of family. i re-read it every year and i think of it as a letter from my dad to me. my dad's memoir is full of family stories, the tales of people whose names will never appear in history books or newspapers but who raised families, worked hard and struggled to make a living off the land. people like my

great-grandfather, william preston cooper. apparently he wasn't very religious. on his death bed they tried to baptize him. he refused yelling that all they needed to do was bring him a woman and he'd have no need of dying. my second cousin met me and offered to take me to meet the graves of some of these family legends. >> that's it. >> deep in the wood we found an old overgrown cemetery from another branch of my family. so this is the bull cemetery. >> this is it. >> this is incredible. >> i haven't been here in a long time. >> the bulls married into the cooper family long before the civil war. >> that's grandpa burl's wife. >> that's burl cooper's wife. >> watch for snakes. >> i grew up reading about the bulls in my dad's book. my dad's dad said he never got over the habit of killing people but he never killed anybody that didn't deserve it. >> i'm pretty sure that's who it

was. >> he would kill a man for cussing in front of a woman. >> right. >> she also wanted to show me another cemetery. i'd read about it in my dad's book, but i'd never been there myself. trying to find the old cooper family cemetery. its hoopsary along the mississippi/alabama border. it's deep in the woods near a house that william preston cooper used to live. we traveled along a dirt road for miles through forests of trees and canyons of kudzu before we finally found him. relatives of mine have been working to try to clear the undergrowth and cut down trees to try to clear the cemetery, but one of the amazing things about it, it's so old a lot of the headstones have disappeared or been worn away by the elements. you can't see the names of people any more. it's even hard to tell what's a headtone fp here we found the

grave of burl cooper. the united states of america. who fought in the same battlefield as my other great-great-grandfather yudson kilpatrick. he was shot in the right hand lost one of his fingers and was partialle paralyzed in his right arm. because of that he struggled the rest of his life to earn a living for his six kids. he died at the age of 54. his life was a far cry from judson kilpatrick's life who survived the war and went on to become the u.s. ambassador to chile. though a lot of people in my family fought for the confederacy, nearly all were too poor to actually own slaves except for one. burl cooper's grandfather. i recently discovered that one of my ancestors did in fact own slaves. he owned 12 slaves. in fact, he was killed by one of those slaves in 1860, one year before the civil war began.

it's one thing to read about slavery in history books. it's another to learn that a distant relative of mine took part in that evil. >> we're so glad you came. >> thank you. my dad and his family left there during world war ii and moved to new orleans. his mother, my grandmother, jenny anderson, worked in the higgins hughes family making landing craft for the war. she also sold lady's hats at the department store. back in 2005 when i was in new orleans reporting in the wake of hurricane katrina, completely by coincidence i stumbled upon my dad's old high school that had been flooded during the storm. this is the school now. back then called francis t. nichols high school. nichols was a confederate general. one of the things i love about new orleans is it's a city that embraces that past even if that past is painful. they don't try to erase their history no matter what that

history may be. in fact, francis t. nichols name is still on they dad's old high school. his likeness is still etched above the front door. francis t. nichols was most likely racist, definitely segregationist, but they haven't removed his name from the school even though it's now the frederick a. douglas high school named after the famous abolitionist. we're invited to take a look around. people work at the school said they had old files, but i couldn't imagine they had any of my dads. wow, look at this. they showed me closets full of old records and posters dating back to the 1940s. i couldn't find anything that belonged to my dad. as i was leaving, the school nurse came outside with a surprise for me. oh, my god. >> that's a report card, but not only did they stop there, the file cabinets back there -- >> this is his photo. >> that's him. >> there you go.

>> oh, my gosh. my dad's report card. that's crazy. can you believe they had my dad's report card going back all the way to 1944. they had it in a file in the back. that's awesome. this is what i'm talking about new orleans and history. they don't throw away the history. it's all here. the past is very much alive in new orleans. my dad worked as an actor for years appearing on stage and tv. he even had a tiny about it part in a movie called "the seven hills of rome." we stayed up late one night when it was on tv when i was a kid. >> good luck tonight. a complete sellout. i'll be out front leading the cheering section. >> thanks, wyatt. >> haddy then became a screen writer and wrote for magazines as well. my dad is buried in staten island next to my brother who died in 1988.

there isn't a day that goes by that i don't think about them both. and wonder what they would think of me, the person i've become. the thing about death is that after a while, you can't remember what a person sounded like. you forget all the little things that you once knew, the sound they made when they opened up the front door, the way they walked, the way they laughed. >> my feelings about what i want my sons to be -- >> a couple months ago clocktower radioed restored an interview they did with my dad. >> my relationships with my sons which are both quite extraordinary. >> i listened it to in my office at work. it was the first time i'd heard my father's voice since i was 10 years old. >> they asked me, how much does a stat man make because that's what he would like to be now. >> the thing about the past is one can't help what zip code one was born in, what country or

family you're descended from. all you can do is learn the lessons of those who came before you, their stories, their mistakes and their successes. you can't choose what family you're born into. >> i have certain expectations. >> all you >> all you can really do is choose how you want to live your own life. >> behave with honor and with dignity. >> i want to thank risi harrison and all my other relatives who helped me down in mississippi. also susan chun, the producer who put that piece together. she did a great job. i learned about earl boykin, my great, great, great grandfather who owned slaves when i tooblg part in a pbs series "finding your roots" earlier this year. harvard professor henry louis gates is the host and executive producer of that great program. he's been helping people trace their genealogies for more thain decade starting with his series

"african-american lives." i spoke to him earlier today. >> professor, you helped me research my family history for your show on pbs, "finding your roots." you've been doing that show for years now. and you're the one who actually revealed to me that my great, great, great grandfather not only owned slaves but was actually killed by one of his slaves. >> anderson, when people ask me what's the most incredible genealogy story you've uncovered, i say it's anderson cooper's fourth great grandfather, burrwell boykin. and when you were on our show, we didn't know his name. you know, actually, we found this story through a diary. and the diary's in the choctaw county, alabama library, and it was kept by a woman named eleanor finley campbell, who was your ancestor's neighbor. and she said -- >> wow. >> -- that she told the story, that burwell had locked this slave -- his nickname was sham. in a cotton house overnight because he kept running away. and when he went to let him out the next morning, your ancestor was carrying a hoe and this

slave grabbed the hoe and beat your fourth great grandfather to death. so to make sure the story was true, we went to the county records, and there it was. sandy boykin. sandy boykin was your ancestor's slave who was hanged for murder. and that's his name. and there are black boykins today. >> are there really? so there are relatives, descendants of sandy boykin still alive today? >> oh, yeah. they're -- your ancestor owned 12 black boykins. and there are plenty of descendants today. now, to find out if you're related genetically, we'd have toar -- as you know, we've done your dna. we'd have to match their dna against your dna. >> i'm up for it. >> okay. well, i think after this program a whole bunch of boykins are going to be e-mailing you. >> that's really fascinating. i mean, i said, you know, during the broadcast that -- i mean, it's one thing to read about the

evils of slavery. to suddenly discover -- because you know, i always believed that the cooper side was always -- the farmers, they were too poor to actually own slaves. >> and they were. >> but then to learn that one of them did was really -- i mean, it's a -- you know, it's a very unsettling feeling. >> but you know, he was killed in 1860, in may of 1860, a year before the civil war starts. in the civil war you have another amazing paradox. you have nine ancestors who fought for the confederacy. and then you have one super ancestor who was a general, graduate of west point, who fought for the north. and as you say in your show, they could have -- they almost met on the battlefield. >> for those who are able to trace their roots, it really does give you this sense of connection, of rooting you in a time and a place. and i don't know. i feel differently after having done the interview with you. feel differently after having done this project with cnn. >> well, when i ask you, as i ask all my guests on "finding your roots," if you could meet

one ancestor, one ancestor to whom you'd be introduced today, whom we've discussed today, who would it be. and you shocked me by saying it would be your father. and so i want to ask you, what would you ask your father, anderson? if you could talk to him today. >> wow. god, i haven't thought that far ahead. you know, for me my dad died when i was 10. so the idea of being able to -- first of all, just to have heard his voice recently was an extraordinary thing, but just to be able to ask him, you know, about what he thinks of me and what he thinks about all the things that have gone on since he died in our family's life. and to just, you know, hear his voice and see his smile and have him talk to me again would be -- i mean, for me that would be an extraordinary, extraordinary thing. professor gates, thank you so much. thank you so much for, a, for letting me participate in your program on pbs, "finding your

roots." it's on tuesday nights at 9:00. it's an awesome show. i'm going to watch it this week as well. and i appreciate you being on my program as well. thank you. >> thank you. be careful down there, anderson. >> well, as we said, roots, our journeys home continues all this week on cnn. tomorrow morning at 6:00 eastern don't miss chris cuomo's incredible journey to his family's history. tomorrow afternoon at 4:00 eastern jake tapper will share what he found when he looked into his past. a lot of surprises there as well. just ahead, a reported sighting of kim jong un. but is the mystery surrounding north korea's leader really solved? what really happened to him? we'll be right back. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us.

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welcome back. a lot more happening tonight. kyung lah joins us with the "360" bulletin. kyung? >> well, anderson, north korean leader kim jong un has reportedly resurfaced after five weeks out of the public eye. state-run media published these photos of him using a cane, but it's unclear when they were taken. isis is on baghdad's doorsteps. local forces are having a tough time battling the terror group in nearby anbar province. some isis fighters are about ten miles from baghdad's airport. the sentencing phase of the oscar pistorius trial got under way today in south africa. a psychologist for the defense team said the former olympic sprinter is a broken man after the death of his girlfriend.

a judge found pistorius guilty of negligent killing last month for the 2013 shooting of reeva steenkamp. the same judge will decide if he should go to prison and if so for how long. and police in new york are searching for a man who threw a smoke bomb into a restaurant on frid friday. he popped out of a subway emergency hatch, tossed the canister, and then disappeared underground. the attack is raising security concerns for the city's sensitive subway. anderson. >> so bizarre. kyung, thanks very much. that does it for us. thanks for watching. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this is cnn breaking news. >> this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. tonight breaking news. my exclusive interview with a neighbor of the dallas nurse who is the first to be infected with ebola not in africa but in this country. that nurse is 26-year-old nina pham, who helped treat thomas eric duncan. she has gotten a blood transfusion from