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with ebola being moved from the dallas hospital that's background zero for the virus in the united states. we're awaiting the transfer of 26-year-old nina pham. she'll be flown by air ambulance to the isolation unit at the national institutes of health in bethesda, maryland, right outside of washington, d.c., this comes a day after another infected nurse was transferred to atlanta's emory hospital. this is after health officials were grilled by lawmakers and admitted mistakes were made. we're covering the news from our key locations with our correspondents and guests, including house majority whip steve scalise who was part of the intense hearings. let's begin with cnn's ed lavandera. what is the latest there? >> reporter: we were waiting to see nina pham, who is going through the preparations of being transferred to maryland

where she will continue her treatment there. officials in dallas say they are preparing and expecting more health care workers to be infected with ebola. tonight, apologies and second guessing as the two infected nurses are removed from the texas hospital where they contracted ebola while caring for thomas eric duncan. >> unfortunately, despite our best intentions and a highly skilled medical team, we made mistakes. we did not correctly diagnose his symptoms as ebola and we are deeply sorry. >> reporter: nina pham will be transported to an isolation unit inside the national institute of health in maryland. and amber vinson is at em moory hospital. the cdc knew she had worked closely with thomas eric duncan and before her return flight from dallas to ohio, she said

she had developed a fever and was about to board a plane and yet was somehow green-lighted to fly. she flew from cleveland with a cabin full of 132 other passengers. cdc director tom frieden says this should not have happened. >> she was in a group of individuals known to have exposure to ebola. she should not have traveled on a commercial airline. >> reporter: children who may have had contact with people on board that flight are at home as several schools in ohio are closed, a move that may be too little, too late. the federal government may decide to prevent the 76 hospital health care workers from flying and are thinking about lowering the temperature threshold for flight. >> commonsense has taken a holiday here. >> reporter: while haz-mat crews decontaminate amber vinson's

home, here's what we need, here's the education, the training, here's the equipment and we want to be assured that we can safely take care of our patients and also keep ourselves safe. >> reporter: on a positive front, none of those who had contact with duncan outside of the hospital, including louise t troh, who he was staying with. >> wolf, the biggest concern is the at least nearly 50 health care workers who had contact with thomas eric duncan in those early days. officials are closely monitoring those people and another slice of good news is that as nina pham is being prepared to transferred to maryland, she's doing really well, in nina pham's words. >> let's hope she makes a complete recovery here in the washington, d.c., area in bethesda, maryland, ed lavandera, thank you very much.

we know that nina pham will be flying to the national institutes of health, preparations for her arrival are under way. cnn's brian todd is there at nih. >> reporter: it's just a few hours from her arrival, possibly between 9:00 and 11:00 p.m. eastern time. she's going to be landing about 40 miles north of here and then brought by brans to this very specialized institute of health. it's called the special clinical studies unit and one official tells me it goes, quote, beyond contamination. it's a high containment unit. only two beds for ebola patients. she's going to occupy one of them. the staff will be wearing haz-mat material. the air in her room is so kind of finally monitored, the air will not be allowed to leave her

room and no air will leave. that's one feature here. and the doctor anthony fauci, the director of the allergy and infectious diseases was asked earlier today, why transfer her here? she said to get her the best state-of-the-art care. we're told this came at the request of texas presbyterian hospital, which is overwhelmed right now with this crisis. this hospital in dallas has as many as 50 health care workers who may have been exposed to ebola and here's a statement today from texas health presbyterian hospital. "with many of the medical professionals who would normally staff the intensive care unit sidelined for continuous monitoring, it is in the best interest of the hospital employees, nurses, physicians and the community to give the hospital an opportunity to prepare for whatever comes next." so wolf, you've got a combination of factors here. this is a highly specialized

unit behind me. really just heavily trained. the staff is heavily trained in how to deal with these patients and also texas health presbyterian hospital very overwhelmed by the situation at hand. >> and i take it that the health care professionals there at nih who will deal with neina pham, they will have protective gear to make sure that they don't contract ebola? >> reporter: absolutely right, wolf. first of all, they are highly trained in how to deal with ebola peaatients. one other patient came here in late september and turned out to not have ebola. she's the first ebola patient to come here. yes, the staff members here, the nurses, doctors, other staff will be wearing protective clothing, gowns, shoe coverings. every time they go in and out of that unit, it's going to be heavily monitored for breaches.

that's been a huge problem in this prolonged story. yes, the staff here is very cognizant of it and highly trained on how to deal with these patients. >> we're showing our viewers live pictures of nih in bethesda, maryland. we'll stay on top of this part of the story. brian, stand by. meanwhile, there is growing political fallout. much of it landing on the white house. our senior white house correspondent jim acosta is working this part of the story for us. what do you know? >> wolf, the president signed an executive order authorizing the deployment of national guard members to deploy to west africa. the president canceled another day on his calendar to work on the ebola crisis, there have been no sightings of him today. one day after president obama asked top officials to get ebola in the situation with ebola, there were more mixed messages

from his administration, this time over whether the u.s. should impose a travel ban on flights in and out of west africa. the white house press secretary dismissed the idea. >> it would provide a direct incentive to go underground and to seek to evade this screening and to not be candid about their travel history in order to enter the country. >> reporter: cdc director thomas frieden left the door open during a congressional hearing. >> is this going to be a maintained position of the administration, that there will be no travel restrictions? >> we will consider any options to better protect americans. >> with just weeks before the midterm elections, members of the president's party were in open revolt, hammering the administration's response. >> it would be an understatement to say that the response to the first u.s.-based patient with ebola has been mismanaged, causing risk to scores of

additional people. >> reporter: democratic congressman bruce frailly piled . >> i'm greatly concerned that the administration did not act fast enough. >> reporter: and the white house didn't even seem to mind. >> criticism? >> mr. braley, whether they are in the same party as him or not. >> reporter: top republicans, like the president's one-time rival mitt romney says the ebola response is another symptom of a broken presidency. >> this administration couldn't run the irs right and apparently could not run the cdc right. >> reporter: the president has made calls to congressional leaders about this and will make calls later on today. but even with all of this fear out there about ebola and what might happen across the country, the white house says the president has no plans to

address the nation formally. they just don't plan to do that right now. they say one is not needed. >> they are taking it day-by-day, i am sure. thank you very much, jim acosta. >> live pictures from ni hch courtesy of wusa. nina pham, the 26-year-old nurse who contracted ebola from the liberian thomas eric duncan will be flown. she's going to be flown there for specialized treatment. she'll be arriving later on tonight. we're all over the story. the other nurse, the 29-year-old nurse, has been flown to the emory hospital in atlanta. both of nurses now out of dallas. let's talk about all of this with our guests. republican congressman steve scalise of louisiana. you're the majority whip, mr. congressman, thank you for joining us.

>> good to be with you, wolf. >> did you get the answers you were looking for today? >> no. if fact, there were many questions from both parties that were not adequately answered by the head of the cdc. one is, what about the protocols? there seems to be a disconnect where the head of cdc said protocols were breached by the nurses in texas yet we had the head of the nurses in texas saying they fouled all of the protocols. someone is not being accurate and that means cdc doesn't have adequate protocols and that's been confirmed that they haven't handled this properly. you have a serious question. one of the questions that i raised is, we have over 300 troops in the west african countries. president obama wants to bring 3,000 troops to those countries. i asked the head of the cdc if he had a high level of confidence that are troops are

protected from contracting ebola and he did not express a high level of confidence. >> i think they want to bring 4,000 troops to liberia to get involved in this and you heard jim acosta say the president just signed paperwork calling up the national guard and reservist to help out in this kind of operation. you're not questioning the need to send the troops there. you're just wondering if they will be safe. is that right? >> they ought to protect them from contracting ebola. the first thing you do is give them the tools that they need to make sure that they can come home safely. if this case, if you're sending them to a region where thousands of people have ebola, can you guarantee that they are not going to get ebola or you take all of the steps necessary and when the head of the cdc who is working with the department of defense to establish those protocols can't give a level of confidence in a committee hearing that our troops will be protected, that raises very serious red flags. >> you're saying hold off on

deploying these troops until you know that they will be secured. is that what you're saying? >> make sure that our troops are fully protected. ju just like we allowed those people to come into the united states because they thought early off that they could ensure that nobody coming over would have ebola and anyone treated in our hospitals for ebola wouldn't pass it on to health care workers. clearly that hasn't been the case. surely my prayers go out to the two nurse who is tested positive. they have to do a better job at cdc. >> everybody has to do a better job. this is new territory for these hospitals. stand by. we have a lot more questions and you have a lot more answers. this is a look at nih. they are getting ready to receive the nurse that has ebola. clearly they didn't think they could do the job adequately at dallas presbyterian hospital.

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congressman, you want a travel ban, right? >> right. what i've asked for is for the president to institute the travel ban until such time that they can ensure that people coming over from those western african countries will not be bringing ebola with them. and they can't make that assurance right now. they've got to get these protocols ready. they are not ready for that yet. we know where this disease is coming from. we want to make sure it doesn't come into the united states more than it has. >> what about nonliberians or people from sierra leone or new guinea. should that american be allowed to come back home? >> if they've been in contact with someone with ebola, at least have the 21-day quarantine session. at a minimum, if you won't put a travel ban in place, president obama ought to at least look that non-u.s. citizensed are not

allowed into the united states until we can determine that americans will be safe and that ebola won't be brought into our country more than it already has. >> congress -- you want congress to take specific action to protect americans from ebola, right? >> the president is the -- >> because forget about the congress for a moment. is there anything congress it k do? >> congress has done everything it needs to do. in fact, earlier the cdc expressed that he's got all of the resources that he needs from congress and certainly didn't ask for additional resources today. if they need more, in the meantime, the president has some very specific things he can do today to protect americans even more. >> if they ask for more money, will congress appropriate more money? >> if they show a need for more money, we'll make sure that they have all of the tools that they need. they didn't express the need for more money today. >> unwithe forced budget cuts

reduced the nih and cdc or others to come up with a vaccine to deal with ebola. is that a fair criticism? >> the agencies haven't said that. some people are trying to politicize that and to make that claim. they've been issued four pinnochios from the outside think tanks. they've gotten additional funds. they have all of the funds that they need, most importantly now to get through this crisis. >> nih people over there, they have complained that their money isn't where it should be. >> they ought to change some of their priorities. we've questioned whe

they could have brought that to aur attention but money hasn't been be a issue and wasn't raised as an issue. they've got to get better with the protocols. you've had sam martin's purse who says that cdc was lacks and i asked the head of the cdc about that. we don't want a culture over there of taking this issue lightly. if he's got people that are blowing people off he ought to know who they are and fire them. >> tom frieden, do you have confidence in him? >> i have some real questions that i presented to him and he didn't given as yet. >> today? >> today in the committee hearing the he ought to give the american people those answers. not just questions that i asked for concerns in my district and beyond my district but other questions that they ask. he still didn't answer a number of those questions. he ought to come forward with

that and address the problems even within his own agency if there are problems, he ought to clean those out. if there are employees that haven't taken this seriously enough, concerns about a nurse that called in and said she has a fever, can she get on a plane, is he finding out who those people are at his agency? >> you're not ready to call for his resignation yet? >> no. i want him to have a higher accountability for people within his agency. if somebody you at one of these organizations says that cdc is lax and then someone at cdc should find out who that was and have that person fired. >> you represent louisiana, part of new orleans. are the hospitals in your district -- if somebody showed up at a hospital in your district in louisiana, would they be able to deal with that.

>> i've spoken with officials in my area and one of the frustrations that they have is they continue to in the continue to change and move the goal post. they want to see a more aggressive approach. they haven't gotten that yet. they are ready. they are going to handle it all they can. >> do they have the protective gear to protect nurses and doctors if somebody walks in with ebola and is showing symptoms, et cetera? do they have all of the gear that they need to make sure they don't get sick? >> i can't speak to whether each individual hospital has the gear that they need. i know they've been following the cdc protocols and their frustration is it changes on a weekly basis with makes it hard to know if the information that they are getting, when it changes again, people start

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tell you happening right now is six frontier airline crew members are at home. they are self-monitoring. they are on paid leave for 21 days. again, they were self-monitoring for symptoms of ebola. the airline doing this out of an abundance of caution. also, what the airline is doing, with that plane, flight 1143, they are removing all of the seat covers as we speak. they are also removing carpeting. they are also removing environmental filters. we know that that is happening and that plane is not in service as we speak either. they are also in the process of contacting hundreds of passengers on board that flight just to notify them that they shared a plane with amber vinson. but they are not stopping there. they are also notifying people who were on that very plane when it made several other trips after vinson's flight. so they are really trying to get out ahead of this and make people know if they were on this

plane and they have any concerns, give them the necessary phone numbers to help officials so they can get their questions answered. wolf? >> rene, 24 hours ago, the director of the cdc, tom frieden, said amber vinson should never have boarded that flight. she actually called the cdc, reported her slight fever and they said go ahead, fly back to dallas from cleveland. what is the cdc saying about that? >> reporter: wolf, in this hearing, which happened on capitol hill just hours ago, the cdc director was asked that question point blank. unfortunately, the answer was not as direct as the question. take a listen. >> october 13th, amber vinson, who was self-monitoring, she presented with a fever and she was told by your agency she could board the plane. is that right? >> that is my understanding. >> now -- >> i need to correct that. >> okay. >> i have not reviewed exactly what was said but she did

contact our agency and she did board the plane. >> all right. well, although we did not get a clear answers to the details of the conversation that vinson had with cdc, we do know that the cdc clearly realizes that a stronger system needs to be put in place. we know from officials that they are considering expanding their what is called no board list. before this, the no board list was intended only for people with known infectious diseases. however, there is a discussion that is ongoing as to whether that list will be expanded to now also include people who are being monitored for this deadly disease. wolf? >> rene, over al dulles international airport outside of washington, thanks very much. we have news coming in from the white house. let's go to our senior white house correspondent jim askcost

what have you just learned? >> reporter: we were wondering if we'd see the president today and we just got word that the president is meeting right now with members of his upper team who are working on the ebola problem right now, the national security adviser, susan rice, dennis mcdonough and the man on the hot seat, the cdc director thomas frieden. wolf, this was just announced in the last several minutes and they are letting cameras go in in a few minutes from now. we may hear from the president and once we find out what is said, we'll bring that to you. >> and we'll hear from the president. the cameras will be rolling, obviously. we won't see it live but we'll get the tape right away. is that what you are saying? >> reporter: yes. and if they are allowing journalists in there, questions might get asked and answered. we'll have that for you. >> coverage of the president presumably may be speaking out about what is going on.

we heard from him 24 hours ago. presumably we're about to hear from him right now. thanks, jim. as soon as you get the tape, let us know. let's go back to the national institute of health where preparations are under way for the arrival of the texas nurse, nina pham. brian todd is still over there. what else are you learning, brian? >> reporter: wolf, we're within a couple of hours, probably, of nina pham of arriving here. probably a few hours, between 9:00 and 11:00 p.m. she's supposed to arrive here at the national institute of health. it's a highly contained specialized unit. it's beyond isolation. the doctors and nurses, other staff attending to miss pham will be wearing polyurethane suits with protections woven into them and they have power respiratories in there meaning that the air does not go in or

out. the specialized training and facility is a huge reason that nina pham is being brought here but another reason is that texas health presbyterian hospital has been overwhelmed by the experience of potentially having to treat up to 50 health care workers who have been exposed to ebola. here is tom frieden, the cdc director, talking about that. >> two individuals did become infected. others may. that makes it quite challenging to operate and hospital and we felt it would be more prudent to focus on caring for any patients who come in, any health care workers who might come in with symptoms. >> reporter: as for the actual treatment that nina pham is going to be receiving here, officials tell us they can't tell us what kind of drugs or other treatment she will be receiving citing patient privacy laws. >> we know the flight from dallas to maryland will be

taking off pretty soon. we'll see what happens. brian, very quickly, she lands -- the plane will land, the private plane will land at frederick, maryland. is that right? >> reporter: we are told, wolf, that it will very likely land at frederick municipal, about 35 miles north of here. it's a smaller airport with less traffic and a lot less buzz around it than some of the other airports around the d.c. area will have. and it's got pretty easy access to this facility, probably transported by air, land or ambulance to this facility. >> so you think she may be helicoptered? is that what you're saying? >> reporter: it's possible, wolf. not quite clear yet how that's going to unfold. she may be transferred by a regular vehicle ambulance or possibly by helicopter here. they have a landing pad here and a facility to accommodate a helicopter but not quite clear

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stand by for that. in the meantime, u.s. aircraft have carried out 14 new air strikes in and around kobani and that's enabled the kurdish fighters to even take background from isis. jim sciutto is here in "the situation room" and has information. jim? >> isis has been pushed back in kobani only possible because of a massive allocation of u.s. air power there. look at this. since the start of the campaign, kobani has been the target of 122 air strikes. that's more than the mosul dam and a key victory for the u.s.-led coalition gaining back isis at 98. the kurdish peshmerga, only 41.

the capital of iraq, baghdad, just one-fifth of what you see in kobani. there have been 85 air strikes in kobani and just one in baghdad. it raises an important question because u.s. officials have said while there's a humanitarian crisis in kobani, it's not strategically important. white house press secretary john kirby today answered this way. >> what are the strategic targets in iraq and syria and why isn't the u.s.-led coalition striking more particularly now thatt that you are focusing on what has not been described as essential. >> it's not just about why kobani, it's why not more elsewhere. because are you running out of targets? >> your question gets at what we would consider -- what we'd call strategic patience. that's what needs to happen

here. he can assure you, kobani is not the end there. there will be more strikes in more places and against mortar ge more targets. territory control by isis today and the start of the campaign, there's not a lot of movement. kobani has positive progress but 24 days ago when the air strikes started, isis controlled ten cities. today, still controls ten cities and when you cross the border over into iraq, air strikes there started 69 days ago and at the start isis controlled 13 cities. they now control 14 since the start of the campaign hit has fallen to isis and smaller villages over here under contention as well. what's key, when you look at the anbar province, this now is virtually under control of isis. key because of its proximity to baghdad. you've heard from multiple u.s. officials about their concern that the whole province can

fall. that's a real problem, wolf, going forward. this is going to be something that we do every week now, look at the progress of the campaign in terms of territory and so far, in terms of territory, it does not look like a success. >> there are only 10 or 12 miles from the baghdad international airport which is a huge concern for u.s. officials. jim, thanks very much. just ahead, much more on the ebola crisis as a second nurse is now being moved out of dallas. are they growing concerns about the contagion realistic? stand by. and the hunt for the missing college student hannah graham entering a new phase. we have late-breaking details. ♪

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today marks the new start in the phase of the missing university student hannah graham. she vanished more than a month ago. joining us now, tom fuentes along with investigative journalist coy barefoot joining us from charlottesville. what's the latest on the search, coy? >> wolf, it is the biggest, the most complicated, the most extensive and now the longest running search for any missing human being in the history of the commonwealth of virginia. the search for hannah graham kicked into the second phase this morning. the virginia department of emergency management and their team were at the national guard armory today, just south of town. they are on atvs, they've got the dogs, horseback, and they are taking back to the woods around virginia, looking for any

sign of hannah graham. the plan is this -- they're going to go back and look very carefully at some of those spots in that eight-mile radius that particularly gave them some trouble over the last few weeks. some really complicated places that needed extra attention. as a quick side bar, i have been asked many times, why eight miles? what is special about that eight-mile radius? when a child goes missing, they are most likely to be found within a five-mile radius. when an adult goes missing, they're most likely to be found within ten miles. hannah graham is 18, so they split the distance at eight miles. morgan harrington, her remains were found 7.8 miles from she went missing five years ago tomorrow. >> she was abducted in 2009, five years ago, morgan harrington. what is this second phase, tom, mean to you? >> i think it means that they're

just not positive that they didn't miss something the first time cover within that eight-mile area. the only question i would have, they've charged jesse matthew with abducting her, and how far could he have gotten in the car. so if they go from the time he was seen in is videos to the time he returns pack to his apartment, how far could he have driven, that can change the whole aspect of the eight-mile search. >> speaking of morgan harrington, hannah graham, morgan disappeared five years ago, hannah graham just five weeks ago. they are also suspicious about other missing young women, aren't they? >> that's absolutely true, wolf. we can go back to morgan in 2009, cassandra morton in lynch burke, just south of charlottesville, she disappeared exactly one week before morgan here in charlottesville. her body was found on a mountain

overlooking liberty university where l.j. matthew was a student. there's also sage here in charlottesville, sage smith. there's samantha clark in orange just outside of town. there are two women this summer that disappeared in charlottesville. this community is absolutely focused on finding out what is going on here in central virginia. >> coy barefoot, thanks. we'll keep checking back with you. tom fuentes, thanks to you, as well. coming up, full coverage of the ebola crisis here in the united states. another infected nurse is being moved out of dallas as concerns about the contagion grow. are the concerns overblown? what's going on? we'll have full coverage. go ahead and put your bag right here.

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happening now. she's on her way, the first nurse in the united states to come down with ebola is being moved from dallas to one of the nation's top hospitals just outside washington, d.c. apology and criticism. a top official at the dallas hospital where two nurses caught the virus tells congress "we made mistakes." but now the hospital is the target of scathing criticism from its own nurses. also, fan gate debate. florida governor rick scott is at the center of a political hurricane all because he delayed his entrance for a debate over his objection to his opponent's electric fan inside a lecturn. tonight, he's here in "the situation room" to explain what he was thinking. and down outright murder. a new report points a witness to the ferguson police shooting of unarmed teenager michael brown.

but is this new version of events trustworthy? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >> this is cnn breaking news. >> we're following the breaking news on the ebola crisis. right now, president obama is holding another meeting with his top ebola team. cabinet officials and the director for the centers for disease control and prevention. we'll keep our eyes out for anything new from the president. all this comes as there are now new dramatic developments involving both nurses who now have the virus. we've just learned that amber vinson is being treated in atlanta, may have had ebola symptoms as early as last friday. also, the first nurse to become infected in dallas should arrive here in the washington, d.c. area in the next few hours. nina pham will be treated at the national institutes of health. at a congressional hearing today, up on capitol hill, a top official of the company that

runs the dallas hospital where all this happened apologized. >> unfortunately, in our initial treatment of mr. duncan, despite our best intentions and a highly skilled medical team, we made mistakes. we did not correctly diagnosis symptoms as those of ebola and we are deeply sorry. >> as the fear of ebola spreads, we're watching as another major airport begins screening arriving passengers and we're keeping our eyes on reports of suspicious illnesses around the country. we have our crews and medical experts outside the three u.s. hospitals now involved in treating ebola with our correspondents and newsmakers that are watching all aspects of this ebola story. let's begin with a new concern about a flight taken by amber vinson, the second nurse to contract the virus at that dallas hospital. the cdc says she may have had ebola symptoms as early as last friday. that's when she flew initially from dallas to cleveland.

and federal health officials now say they will contact passengers from that frontier airlines flight, as well. they've already reached out to passengers from vinson's return flight from cleveland back to dallas on monday. she was hospitalized just hours after arriving back in dallas. let's go to cnn's ed lavandera. ed, tell us what you're hearing. >> wolf, this development just coming in to us now, as a quote from a cdc doctor telling the cleveland plain dealer that "we have started to look at the possibility that she had symptoms, amber vinson, going back to as far as saturday." obviously, this would be of great concern now, not only for the people that took the flight with her on monday, that was frontier airlines flight 1143, but also going back to that initial flight from dallas to cleveland last friday. now, it was interesting, because cdc officials have been saying she should not have gotten on

that flight, even though our reporting shows she had been told by cdc officials it was okay to get on that flight. obviously, news that is of great concern to those people who were on those flights. all of this coming as we heard from one of the nurses speaking out and criticizing the protocol procedures and the safety procedures that were in place to protect the health care workers inside presbyterian hospital when thomas eric duncan was first admitted for ebola symptoms. as you heard from one of the executives of the hospital today, the hospital has apologized for not diagnosing the ebola symptoms quicker and earlier. but a great deal of intensity here. this, wolf, as the hospital is struggling. they are in the process of moving nina pham out of this hospital. and city officials in dallas are saying they are expecting at least several more health care workers to be admitted here to the hospital with ebola-like symptoms. wolf? >> do we know when she called,

amber vinson, the 29-year-old nurse who took that flight to cleveland, did she call the cdc to check if it was in dallas before she initiated the flight or did she call from cleveland just before her return? >> my understanding was that it was on the way back. and that's when she was given the go ahead, according to our reporting, to get on that flight on monday. and then it was tuesday morning that she had turned up with a fever and that ebola diagnosis was made. >> because supposedly she had a slightly elevated fever, 99.5, before she boarded that flight to return back to dallas. we assume that's when she had called and they said they could go. now apparently she had other symptoms before leaving dallas? i just want to be precise, ed, explain exactly what you're learning. >> reporter: well, this is the new part here, wolf. perhaps more of those symptoms might have been in place several days earlier.

that's the reporting we need to work on now, getting a sense of just exactly what kind of symptoms these were, what kind of -- just how much -- if it was a fever, if it was any other kind of symptoms. there is also the possibility that those were in play on that friday. and that's why that initial flight from dallas to cleveland is now something we need to take a much closer look at. this is something that is just starting to develop and we need to start digging into a lot more here in the coming hours. >> stand by, ed lavandera in dallas for us. we're standing by to hear from president obama. he's been meeting with his top experts as cabinet officials and others on the whole issue of ebola and what the united states should be doing about the so-called coordinating ebola team that we expect a statement from the president momentarily. once that comes in, we will share it with you, of course. we also expect that nina pham will be arriving at the national institutes of health some time tonight. the hospital is just outside

washington, d.c. and bethesda, maryland. brian todd is on location for us. update our viewers and what we know about this second nurse. >> reporter: wolf, we're within just a few hours of nina pham's expected arrival here at the special clinical studies unit at nih. this is a highly specialized isolation facility preparing to receive its first-ever patient actually diagnosed with ebola. she's an intensive care nurse who will receive the most intensive care possible. nina pham, the 26-year-old nurse who become the first health care worker to be infected with ebola is coming here, a special isolation unit at the national institutes of health. it's one of only four in the united states. what's behind the move? >> to give the state of the art care in a containment facility of highly trained individuals capable of taking care of her. >> reporter: this transfer came

at the request of texas presbyterian hospital. that hospital has at least 50 health care workers who may have been exposed to ebola. >> that makes it quite challenging to operate hospital, and we felt it would be more prudent to focus on caring for any patients who come in, any health care workers or others who come in with symptoms. >> reporter: at nih, nina pham will be in a section that is "beyond isolation," a high containment unit scrubbed to be sterile. her room has its own circulation. no outside air comes in. she's the first patient diagnosed with ebola to be treated here and the people caring for her will take every possible precaution. >> the people who will be coming into contact with her will be physicians, nurses and others who will be in personal protective equipment. therefore, they are not restricted. >> reporter: as for the actual

treatment, that's classified. officials say they cannot discuss what drug protocols or specific treatment nina pham will be receiving, citing patient privacy laws. >> she will be in nih in bethesda shortly. i want to go to dr. sanjay gupta in atlanta right outside emery university hospital where amber vinson was transferred yesterday. you're getting new information about the treatment that this nurse is now receiving, sanjay, is that right? >> reporter: well, a little bit more about some of the patterns inside the hospital there in dallas when she was taking care of mr. duncan. remember, the timeline between the 28th and 30th of september, that is when there was suspicion that mr. duncan had ebola but had not been confirmed. he was in the intensive care unit quite sick, and both these nurses were caring for him. talking to a source from the hospital, they were wearing personal protective gear, but it

wasn't the full sort of quote unquote haz/mat suit we've become used to seeing, but rather a gown, hat and mask, but the exposed neck that i was shown a couple days ago as part of the demonstration, there were areas of the skin exposed. so that was a change in terms of the gear people were wearing after the positive diagnosis came back. but before that, there was that limited personal gear. we also got more details about what prompted the transfers here. it was a joint decision by the hospital there in dallas. the hospital where the patients were being received and the patients themselves. part of it revolved around this idea of hitting a reset button in dallas. got a lot of people who are being monitored. you have a lot of concern and fear among workers right now. they want to hit the reset button, figure out will anybody else get sick in and some people

are still not out of the window. interestingly enough, one of the hospital sources said within a couple of weeks, they do believe that if they got another ebola patient in that hospital, they could take care of this. they feel like the lessons have been learned here. that's what they're telling you, wolf. >> sanjay, stand by. our other medical experts are standing by, as well. i want to bring in roseanne demora, director of the national nurse's united, that's a union. thank you very much for joining us. react to this apology we all heard from the chief clinical officer for the texas health services, what do you say, do you accept that apology? >> you know, i -- that's a difficult one, because i've spoken with these nurses and the heartbreak that's going on in their lives and their families and the depth of their fear and the fear of so many people who work there is just unacceptable. but i don't -- having said that,

that is the story that could be told in every hospital across this country. the status quo is indefensible if it puts our nurse's lives in jeopardy. that's precisely what we have. we have tremendous failures in the public and private sectors, we have faux debates going on in congress. every health care worker in this country should have the highest standards to protect themselves and their patients. we're appalled by the level of discussion that's going on that doesn't save the lives of those on the front lines, today, right now, on the shifts in our hospitals in this country. it's horrific to see the shallowness and the shifting sands in terms of guidelines and the cdc changing its mind, and the hospital apologizing and the congressional hearings, and the deflection when it's so simple. the cdc knows what to do. you see them completely donned in haz/mat suits when they're transporting these patients.

last night it looked like a scene out of a science fiction movie in terms of how many people had haz/mat suits on. this poor young woman coming down the runway having a very difficult time walking. those haz/mat suits should be available and on every rn and health care worker in this country who is taking care of patients. we have made this demand to the president of the united states. we've asked him to order or enact an executive order that compels the hospitals to use the standards of the university of nebraska, which we consider to be the optimal standards at this point. and if there are standards that are higher, to use those. >> you just heard our own dr. sanjay gupta report that the texas nurses in that dallas hospital were not wearing the full, proper protective gear to protect themselves from mr. duncan. was that a human error or lack of training? what was going on from your analysis? >> a lack of a health care system in the united states of

america. that's why it could happen everywhere. that could have been any hospital at any time in any city and still can be. the most alarming part of this city is it could happen right now as we're speaking in this program. this is a standard not in place. there's no infectious mandate in our hospitals to protect our nurses and health care workers. we've asked the president of the united states and congress to do this. the cdc, even if the president -- if the cdc said the hospitals had to do this, the cdc doesn't have that power over the hospitals. what's missing from the agenda in congress is giving the cdc, assuming they would have the highest standards, the authority to compel the hospitals to comply. instead, really, the only thing this government has is medicare funding to -- >> let me just -- roseanne, you do believe the highest standards are in place at emery university hospital at omaha, the university of nebraska, as well as nih outside of washington, right? >> it would appear so.

except for the fact that what we have is two test cases at the university of nebraska. we were hoping that that's the gold standard. i can tell you, if this was a movie star or someone famous or rich in this country that was taking care of patients or exposed, we would be having this discussion differently. it's the working people in this country whose lives are the first line of defense for patients coming through the door. if there's anything to say in this program, please protect the nurses and caregivers who are there wanting to do a job, who are human. they shouldn't have to put their lives on the line for a failure of our policymakers to protect them. i'm so angry, nurses are so angry. we just finished a protest with senator sanders with kaiser permanente and you heard when the nurse gets on the plane, they say the nurse shouldn't have gotten on the plane, but the nurse was following

directions that she had authority -- she thought she was going to the highest authority. so the nurses actually have a campaign across the country, and they did this when nina pham was first diagnosed with ebola, and that is stop blaming the nurses. what is happening, the cdc is saying the nurse didn't follow protocol. what we found out, there were no protocols. it was just chaos. but it could be kay use everywhere. the nurses, we have 2800 nurses now responding to a survey. 85% of them are saying that they're not getting hands-on training from their hospitals. so they're basically trying to figure this out and it's on them. it shouldn't be on them. it should be on the policymakers and the institutions. our hospitals are multibillion dollar institutions. these aren't poor, starving health care systems. we have a country that has to look at the priorities when you have a crisis.

>> roseanne, thank you very much. take a look at this. these are live pictures coming in from dallas. this is the hospital there where nina pham is about to be transferred. she's going to be leaving that hospital, flying in an air ambulance as it's called from dallas to frederick, maryland, just not far away from bethesda, maryland, outside washington, d.c. where she will be treated at the national institutes of health. we'll have live pictures of all of this throughout this hour. i want to continue the discussion right now. let's bring in our chief medical correspondent once again, our own dr. sanjay gupta, along with an emergency room nurse practitioner. she's here with me in "the situation room." erin, thank you very much for joining us. you just heard roseanne, she feels very strong that the nurses are not being well protected. do you agree with her? >> i do. there's really been a lack of a centralized coordinated response

to this. for example, my hospital, they sent out a video of how to don this protective equipment, but it happened in this situation in dallas much later. some hospitals are not getting this. 85% of nurses are saying they received no information on this. there's so many logistics involved in health care that not only do we need to get this information, but we need to practice it and have training. and this is what's not happening. >> do all the nurses need to know this or just the nurses that work in the emergency rooms? >> emergency rooms are the front lines where the patients will present. they'll come in by ambulance or through the front door. that's the front line where is patients arrive into a hospital system. but all nurses need to know this. once a patient is identified, they'll go to the icu. sometimes nurses fill in on other floors of the hospital. other nurses need to be educated. >> everyone, stand by. we have much more to discuss, including air travel.

we're live at dulles international airport where some arriving passengers are about to start receiving ebola screenings. stay with us.

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we're following the breaking news. these are live pictures over at that dallas, texas hospital where the nurse nina pham will

soon be departing. she's going to be flown to maryland and the national institutes of health outside of washington, d.c. where she will be treated for ebola. let's go back to our panel of experts. joining us once again, our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta, the tropical medicine specialist, dr. van telican. what does it say to you, sanjay, that the nurse in this particular case, amber vinson, may have been showing some symptoms last friday before she left dallas for cleveland? supposedly she was feeling funny. they weren't described as typical ebola symptoms but she was showing something. she really wasn't getting a fever, an elevated fever shall we say until monday. but what does it say to you that she was showing some symptoms before she left dallas? >> it's hard to know, wolf, with those vague sort of

descriptions. there are some things that you want to look for when you're worried about someone being infected with ebola. take that in the context that there's so many things more likely to give someone vague discomfort. given the fact that she had just taken care of someone with ebola and she had extensive contact with mr. duncan, it sounds like she was diligent about things, especially given the fact that three days later on the 13th, with a temperature of 99.5, that prompted a call from her to the cdc. if a 99.5 temperature prompted a call to the cdc, i wonder if the symptoms on friday were less than that. more vague or more minimal symptoms. i don't know. we're just speculating at this point. keep in mind the most salient question and point that people wonder about, would she be at

risk of transmitting the virus? we know she would be at low risk of transmitting the virus, even at 99.5 temperature. so i don't think this poses an increased threat to the general public, but obviously if she had symptoms, they want to investigate what they were and who she may have come in contact with during this time, wolf. >> she treated thomas eric duncan last wednesday and two days later she leaves dallas for cleveland and beginning to feel, i suspect, according to the latest reports, a bit queazy. what do you say? how contagious could she have been? because the airlines are now notifying passengers and crew member on that first flight from dallas to cleveland. maybe there's a problem. >> i think as sanjay said, the odds of her having significant levels of virus in her blood are very, very low. i think that the symptoms she

was displaying aren't the symptoms that would allow you to transmit it effectively. she didn't have diarrhea or vomiting, so the risk of her transmitting that infection is extremely low. but the really concerning thing, you know, i think she should have been at home, quarantined, having daily blood tests. any other speculation that she made a mistake, that she's been stupid, i think that's a very, very unhelpful way of analyzing this problem. apart from the fact that she has been diligent, the protocol and the way that these cases are managed, when you're dealing with 70 people, you have to a assume some of them will be irresponsible. so all of these people should have been at home with serial blood tests that could have detected ebola several days before. >> you're hearing all these

stories about this amber vinson, this nurse, would she have gotten on the plane. what is your analysis? >> she was taking her temperature like she was supposed to. when she had a 99.5 degree temperature, she called the cdc and asked for advice. it sounds like the advice she was given wasn't very helpful. so it sounds like she's being diligent, using her knowledge as a medical provider. we do typically consider a fever to be higher than 99.5. but in this case extra precaution should have been taken. she should have been advised to stay at home. >> stay in dallas at not go there. because sanjay, as you know, she was -- we're showing our viewers some live pictures outside the hospital in dallas where a budge of her supporters are defending what she did, saying she shouldn't be blamed, others should be blamed for any of the problems that have developed. but on wednesday, she was

treating thomas eric duncan in that awful ditsituation. he was getting dialysis, and then friday she heads out of town. somebody should have told her, this is a bad idea, right? >> yeah. i think so. let me just give you a little nuance to this. i thought a couple of the answers in the hearings today about this very issue were a little unsatisfying. on one hand we hear from dr. frieden that anybody who came in contact with mr. duncan or somebody that has ebola period are in this period of -- this movement period where they shouldn't be on a commercial airline, period. if they're going to fly, it should be charter. today during the hearing, he said, but she was wearing protective gear, so we think her risk was lower. i don't know if he was saying that it was okay she got on a

commercial flight or what they meant. it seems like this coordinated movement policy that he outlined made sense. if they've come in contact, you're monitoring yourself like alexander was just saying, you don't need to be quarantined but you shouldn't be getting on a commercial flight. but in is the confusion, which is it? could she have gotten on the flight? was dr. frieden defending that or not? was it a mistake or not? i think certainly as both the other guests have said, the flight back from cleveland to dallas with a temperature, she shouldn't have gotten on that plane. yet the cdc did not bar her from doing so. >> somebody made a major mistake there. sanjay, stand by. erin tolbert, stand by, as well. much more on the breaking news right after that. we're waiting to hear from the president of the united states. he's about to speak out on this ebola crisis. ♪ who's going to do it? who's going to make it happen? discover a new energy source.

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we're following breaking news. these are live pictures coming from the texas hospital where the nurse nina pham will be departing, and will be globe to maryland at the national institutes of health, outside of washington, d.c., where she will be treated for ebola. you see some of the other nurses, other health care professionals who are there. they're protesting some of the criticism of the nurses there at the hospital. they say that criticism is unfounded. they're clearly supporting nina pham. they're supporting amber vinson, the other nurse. she was transferred yesterday from that dallas hospital to the emery university hospital in atlanta, georgia. you see the support that they're

expressing. momentarily we expect nina pham to be leaving that hospital heading over to love airport to be flown to maryland. we're waiting to hear from the president of the united states. he's been meeting with his top ebola experts at the white house. he's about to make a statement. we'll have live komplg coverage that. the star of last night's controversial florida governor's debate was the portable fan. get this, the portable fan at the feet of the democratic challenger charlie crist. rick scott is about to talk to us about this extremely unlikely event at that debate. but first, let's get some background with suzanne malveaux that has the latest. >> reporter: wolf, this is one of the strangest moments in the 20 years i have covered politics. it is now making national headlines. >> the two candidates who are

invited to take part in this debate right now are not stepping up on the stage. [ laughter ] ladies and gentlemen, we have an extremely peculiar situation right now. we have governor charlie crist. we have been told that governor scott will not be participating in this debate. >> reporter: suddenly the rules of the debate became the biggest issue of the night. >> governor crist has asked to have a fan, a small fan, placed underneath his podium. the rules of the debate that i was shown by the scott campaign say that there should be no fan. somehow there is a fan there, and for that reason, ladies and gentlemen, i am being told that governor scott will not join us

for this debate. >> reporter: and so fan-gate was born. crist seized the moment. >> are we really going to debate about a fan or talk about education and the environment and the future of our state? >> reporter: it was one of the strangest seven minutes in the history of political debates. >> my understanding is that governor scott will be coming out. frank, ever seen anything like this? >> no, i haven't. >> ladies and gentlemen, that has to be the most unique beginning to any debate. >> reporter: charlie crist's portable electric fan has been blowing at his feet since he ran for education commissioner in 2000. florida republicans this morning created a crist hit the fan hash tag, showing it from on high, down low, by its lonesome, and double teamed. captured here with our own candy crowley. it even has its own twitter account. newspaper headlines couldn't resist. crist even wrote about his

biggest fan, the fan, in his memoir, seen here at the dnc convention. there was so much social media buzz during the debate about this fan moment that the moderator addressed it, asking him why he insisted bringing the fan in the first place. he said, why not? is there anything wrong with being comfortable. wolf? >> suzannsuzanne, thank you ver. all this over a fan. the key question is, what were you thinking? >> hard to believe, isn't it? i was anxious to get out there. we did the debate last week and he didn't like talking about 832,000 jobs lost. he was just worried he was going to sweat. i'm surprised he didn't bring some dry ice with him to keep cool. he worried so much when i kept bringing up that he lost 832,000 jobs. i came out, we did the debate. he didn't want to talk about jobs. we talked about jobs and

education. >> let me interrupt. quick question on the fan. what's the big deal? let him use a fan. why was this an issue going into the debate? >> i have no fan. i was in the back. i was told he wasn't going to show up, so i was sitting back there waiting for them to tell us to come out. they didn't tell us to come out. then he went out there. we came out -- >> he does have a long history of requesting that a fan be there for whatever reason. and in that document that the florida gubernatorial debate put out, it explains the rules. somebody wrote that there can be no fan with the understanding that the debate hosts will address any temperature issues with a fan, if necessary. so that was clearly written into this document, which i'm sure you've seen. >> i haven't seen the document. i was out there to talk about jobs. we've added 643,000 jobs.

i was waiting to go on -- >> who told you not to go out there? >> the organizers. they said he wasn't showing up. he was balking without his fan. i didn't even know she was gokn have a fan. >> are you surprised by all this commotion over a fan? >> it was too bad. this debate ought to be about jobs and education. what's the future going to be like? so it's too bad they're talking about fans. but look, i'm out on the campaign trail every day talking about how we've added 643,000 jobs. we have 260,000 job openings. that's what i talk about every day. but remember last time i did the cnn debate, my opponent cheated during the debate. so hopefully nothing will happen next tuesday. >> there's going to be another debate. i take it there won't be a fan for him at that debate, is that your understanding? >> you know, i don't care if he

brings a microwave, a humidifier. whatever he wants to bring. >> cnn rules are no fan. so he won't show up without the fan, but i've been told by cnn, no fan at that debate next tuesday night. >> we'll see what happens. i hope we talk about jobs and education. >> if you had a do-over, what would you have done differently? the criticism of you is you wouldn't debate. >> i was told he wasn't out there. >> you knew he was on the stage. >> no. they had me -- i was in a trailer just waiting to go out. >> who said to you to wait? >> the whole team, they just said wait until we're ready. >> and the staff said the organizers didn't want you out there? the moderators were all stunned. >> the others i've done, you walk out at the same time. >> are you alleging that chris

broke the rules? >> i just want to do a debate, i want to talk about jobs and education. i don't know why he did what he did. i think it's crazy that's what they're talking about. we ought to talk about jobs and education. >> you don't want to make that accusation that he broke the rules? >> he clearly broke the rules, but we should talk about jobs and education. that's why i got elected the first time. >> he said he saw this little addendum hand written on this agreement. >> i don't know. >> let's talk about ebola. we expect to see this nurse being moved from the dallas hospital, nina pham. she was obviously getting troemt there, but obviously not as adequately as she could get treatment in bethesda, maryland. you see her supporters getting ready to say goodbye to her as she's being readied to be airlifted to bethesda, maryland.

are the hospitals in florida ready to deal with ebola? if someone walks into an emergency room in miami, orlando, jacksonville, any place else, do you have confidence that the physicians, the nurses, the administrators will do the right thing? >> here's what we have done. we have 19.5 million, 100 million tourists and i want all of them to be safe. we asked the cdc for most testing kits. we have gotten 3 out of the 30 we asked for. we asked for more protective gear for the health care professionals. we haven't gotten that yet, so we purchased them on our own. we asked the federal government to use fed money for emergency preparedness to spend on protective gear. they haven't said yes yet. we asked them to do a call tomorrow to el us what did they learn in dallas? what was wrong in the protocol so our hospitals will know it. i asked all of our hospitals to go through emergency preparedness for ebola and tell us if they have the right gear.

we're buying gear to be ready. but hopefully we'll never need it. >> there you see the nurse nina pham -- we don't see her yet, but we're told she is about to be escorted out. i'm curious to see if she's able to walk, if she'll be on a ga n gurney, in a wheelchair. we have been told she was doing apparently slightly better. she was in relatively improved condition. we're anxious to see if we can see how she is. these are her friends, her supporters at this hospital. you're the governor of a state. you have a lot of doctors and nurses in your state and a lot of people who are worried that they could be in danger right now. isn't that right? >> that's right.pr protective gear. i want the cdc to tell us what went wrong in dallas. hopefully we won't have an ebola

patient, but i want our health care workers to be safe. you feel sorry for her and her family to go through this. i want all our health care workers to be safe. >> you're saying the federal government is not giving you, the governor of florida, what you need in a crisis like this? >> we've asked for more testing kits and protective gear. we want to hear what has went wrong in dallas. i asked the feds -- one nurse was on the flight that went into ft. lauderdale. i want them to talk to all those passengers and make sure they know what to do, when they should go to the hospital, what concerns they should have. i want our state to be safe. i want to be prepared. >> because that frontier airlines flight that went from cleveland to dallas continued on to ft. lauderdale? >> yes. i just want to make sure that any passengers on that plane,

they know they've been contacted by the cdc and told what should they do if something happens to them? i want people to be safe in our state. >> you're all over this issue in florida. there's been some criticism of the texas governor, rick perry is in europe right now. is that fair criticism that he's not in the state during an emergency situation like this? >> i know what we're doing. i know governor perry. i called him last week to ask him what they have learned so i could learn from what's happening there. what i'm asking for is make sure the cdc gives us testing kits, give s us the protective gear. i want to learn from this so they don't have the same issues in dallas. >> the suggestions among the governor's critics is she should have never gone to europe. you're a politician. you understand the criticism? >> you get a lot of criticism as an elected official. >> was that a bad decision to leave texas? >> i can't judge rick, but in

our state, i'm going to do everything i can. we'll get 19.5 million people prepared, and get the health care workers comfortable to go to work if they have an ebola patient. >> you're confident you can handle it in florida? >> the cdc needs to step up, give us the protective gear and the testing kits, tell us what went wrong in dallas and talk to those people that flew on that plane from ft. lauderdale. >> governor, we'll see you at the debate tuesday night in florida. you'll be debating charlie crist, the challenger. it's debate night in america. tuesday night, 7:00 p.m. eastern. jake tapper will be moderating that debate. >> that will be fun. we'll talk about jobs and education probably. >> maybe you'll talk about a fan, too. thank you very much for joining us. let's bring in our own dr. sanjay gupta once again and dr. van telican. sanjay, you see the support that

these health care workers are showing this nurse nina pham. we have been told her most recent condition was described as improving, right? >> that's correct. we know that she has been ill, but she had been improving and that was obviously a good sign. in fact, because of that, we thought she might be staying there in dallas. but now obviously moving to the nih. in part, i will tell you i talked to some hospital sources down there today, wolf. the way they described it, they sort of need to hit the reset button. they said we have many patients, many workers who are being monitored unable toome to work. they have not been taking new patients into the hospital. keep in mind, up to this monday, you still have an incubation period going on in some of the original duncan contacts, as well. >> you see the ambulance,

sanjay. there's going to be a police escort taking nina pham from the hospital over to the dallas love field where she will board a private small jet to take her to maryland. let's just listen in for a second as they're showing their support for nina pham. [ applause ] the drivers, honk your honor as you see this ambulance on the road driving over to love field in dallas to make this flight it. will be a 2 1/2 hour or 3 hour flight from dallas to frederick, not far from bethesda, maryland. a lot of sensitivity right now. they don't want her to be accused of anything wrong, amber pham or the other nurse from yesterday, emory hospital. they have a lot of friends and

supporters there. >> it is so nice to see. there isn't very much positive to say about this story. but ebola is an incredibly isolating disease. people are not allowed to touch you. and not only is it terrifying to have but you are surrounded by terrified people as well. and you know you are a potential source of infection for them. so it is incredibly difficult to endure as a patient for psychological and physical reasons. and of course being physically sick also makes you feel utterly miserable. again psychologically as well as enduring the discomfort. so i think this will be a huge boost to her. and it is nice to see. and the point you raise is essential. these people are heroes and any criticism of these nurses, i would respond by saying the way that they were advised was extremely poor. they've done an excellent job under really difficult circumstances. health care workers in the u.s. and in the west in general are used to working in systems. they are protective and part of

a team. and the system, over all, particularly the cdc has really let them down. so i think it is important to say, any accusations of irresponsibility on amber vinson's part is not advised. we know health care workers can be in denial about sickness they have as much as anybody else and at worst she can be accused of that. but she has done a well job looking after thomas eric duncan. >> we are showing the live picture of the ambulance going from the hospital to love field where nina pham will bring her to the national institute of health in bethesda, maryland. and what kind of better treatment will they be able to do for her at nih as opposed to the hospital in dallas? >> it is a very interesting question. we know this is a very good

hospital in dallas. and there aren't any ebola-specific treatments. and a number of physicians in the world who have expensive treatments of ebola are mostly worked in africa. so she will not get any better drugs and there are no specific treatments and i think dallas hospital could have provided supportive care. but the difference is she'll be looking after by a team of people who have excellent protocols and dealing with her. and blood and monitoring can be done precisely and get that done regularly and the equipment will be done with more confidence by the staff. so you have decision-making easier in an environment where the healthcare team feels safe. but i think the actual business of managing an ebola patient is what you call supportive care. so supporting the organs failing, whether they need ventilation, kidney failure and needs dialysis, toez kinds of

things and management of clotting and fluids. but the main reason to move her, the dallas hospital talked about needing a appreciate start and the team at the nih will be fresh and well-rested and they have the teams of expertise in terms of garbing up and down and this seems a more calm and con sichtent level of care can be delivered. >> you are looking at the live pictures. the ambulance taking 26-year-old nina pham from dallas winding up at nih, the national institute of health in maryland outside of washington, d.c. the other nurse was airlifted yesterday, amber vinson, 29-year-olds from dallas to emory university hospital in atlanta, georgia. let's bring in cnn anchor don lemon. you have an interview tonight with amber vinson's uncle. >> we do have an interview with her uncle. she is a critical care nurse

there at the hospital. and i spoke to her uncle, he'll do an on-camera interview later on tonight and i've talked to people who are closest to her and i think they would be happy and it is heartwarming to them to see those workers on the front line applauding this nurse now because those are the people who are closest to the situation. and i think all of them, including miss vinson and her family have lots of questions about the protocol and the procedures and what was followed. she did everything within her power to report to the agencies. and i'm talking about amber vinson, before she made a flight. so i think dr. teleconis right. we should put to rest whether she did everything right. she notified everyone. she didn't think she was infected. sher temperature did not reach the temperature that the cdc was -- where she should not

travel. and because of the protocol put into place, those people, the nurses and the health care workers there believed that they were -- that they weren't infected. so she wasn't under quarantine, so i'm going to talk to him about that tonight and his conversation with her. he's been speaking with her all day. >> tonight p.m. eastern tonight on cnn. he'll be talking with her uncle. and sanjay is with us. you see the ambulance taking her to love field. and on the bottom right hand corner you see the small private jet from phoenix air. this is a highly sophisticated jet that can take # 26-year-old nina pham from dallas to washington, d.c. people are concerned one of the reasons they wanted to remove her and the other nurse from dallas is they didn't want other

health care professionals to be infected and presumably they have much better care for that at nih oremory or university of nebraska in omaha for that, right? >> i think this was in part what was driving this decision. that obviously two health care workers got sick from mr. duncan. the question of containment. how well could the hospital there in dallas contain a patient with ebola? i also think there is another issue. if you can just imagine the scene now in dallas. you have so many patients who are still being monitored, unable to work. and there is a question to have staff, wolf, at this point to take care of patients. that will help alleviate the load. >> and i don't know if you have been inside one of the air ambulances as they are called, but i assume they have sophisticated equipment in there to deal with an ebola patient. >> it is quite remarkable. i have seen them before. and i'll tell you, it is interesting. you think sort of a bubble within a bubble. a patient goes inside of an area

that is contained but then people can be outside of the bubble in another bubble if you will, that protects the flight crew from both, the passenger as well as the health care people on that plane. >> sanjay, stand by. i know you will be with us throughout the night. san, as you watch this, extraordinary care for the nurses, one airlifted to atlanta and another one being airlifted to maryland outside of washington, d.c. everyone is going all-out, because at stake is hopefully the lives of these two young women. >> yes. absolutely right. and this is visually the first time we're really seeing the scale and the precision of the response we'd expect with a disease of this severity. this is a disease that for a long time we said is straightforward to contain, but it is straightforward if you take all of the precautions. and the precautions are

painstaking and difficult to do. and so we're seeing now a care of where she goes and how she's transported, care over the kind of ambulance and the convoy that is going there. and all of this feels, along with the cheering people, it feels like a set of decisions where the care of this lady for her survival is being taken seriously but at the same time all of the public health measures around to protect the other people are being taken seriously as well and that's what we've seen really lacking in their care so far. that is why they are sick in the first place, is that there was not clear leadership in making sure these things didn't happen. >> and you, like many other experts, would not be surprised, if a third health care professional contracted ebola comes out in the next few hours or days. that would be very worrisome. >> that would be extremely concerning. and i think we've got -- the average incubation period is 3-6

days. and so that is the time. we areithin that at the moment. and it is possible -- i think it is very unlikely that either nina pham or vinson has infected someone else. >> that's it for me. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" continues our special coverage. >> "outfront" tonight, breaking news, the second nurse diagnosed with ebola sick four days before being hospitalized and now another plane-load of passengers possibly exposed to the virus. and the head of cdc under fire in capitol hill ducking mistakes on how the agency has called for the crisis and calling for tom frieden to go. and amber vinson wearing full protective gear so how is it possible that one man was not in a hazmat suit? let's go "outfront."