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breaking item number one tonight, late word that nurse amber vinson may have already been showing symptoms when she boarded that flight from dallas to go home to ohio on friday. if it is true, why did she, a nurse, think it was okay to fly. and on monday, on the way home, when she phoned into the cdc. breaking item number two, a short time ago in dallas, being cheered on by colleagues at the hospital where she and nurse vinson became infected from the now -- both she and nurse vinson

worked under conditions that were not sufficient to protect them. and they were working with inadequate cdc guidelines. in a moment you will hear from a nurse at texas presbyterian hospital who paints an incredibly troubling situation with the treatment. the lack of treatment and transparency from the hospital. she is taking a great risk in speaking out. she could lose her job. listen to some of what she has to say. >> i feel like if you're in there with an ebola patient and your life is on the line and your family's safety is at risk you should have the number to anyone. you should have the number to the obama administration to get you whatever you need to perform

that job safely. and i'm not satisfied with any answer that the hospital has to offer at all. >> at the very least, those nurses should have had the right protective gear. she herself was told to just slap some tape to cover her neck, the skin that was exposed to her neck. the one-inch medical tape, to just tape it up as best she could. there is a lot to get to tonight. you will hear a lot more from here, we start with senior medical correspondent. and possibly showing symptoms on friday, we're talking about from dallas to cleveland. >> right, at that time the cdc was really paying attention to the community. let's make sure this doesn't get out into the community. they kind of let these workers monitor themselves and kind of let the hospital sort of take care of it. >> how are they now saying she may have been symptomattic.

>> and maybe she felt a little sick and stayed home. so we don't know. >> so the question is why would a nurse who has just been treating an ebola patient who died and she didn't have great protective gear why would she get on a plane if she is starting to feel sick? >> you know, we don't know the answer to that. we would have to be in her head. but i'll tell you, anderson, denial is a very powerful thing. even if you're a doctor or a nurse you may feel things and say oh, i have a headache, well, my stomach is upset, well, it has been upset before. >> clearly she believed she was not sick because she went to visit her family. she would not have wanted to consciously endanger her family. >> that is right, the first signs of ebola look like so many other things. and especially if at that time she was not getting visits from officials, she was sort of told to monitor herself.

>> and i want to show the viewers, this is the plane carrying the nurse to bethesda, nina pham is on board, in full gear as other people obviously who have gone with her that is taking off from here in dallas. she left this hospital just a short time ago. elizabeth, as we watched these images, i mean it really is an admission by this hospital that they need time. i mean, maybe they just don't want any ebola patients here at all because they're losing all the other patients here. a lot of other patients are not wanting to come to this hospital. and they clearly need time to get their act together. >> right, i think we can see two things are going on. in their press release, they wanted her to be able to transfer, because they wanted to anticipate what would come next. the other thing is, i learned from a cdc doctor inside the hospital they are two thirds empty. >> two thirds, wow. >> two thirds, people are scared

to come here, this is now known as the hospital with the ebola patients. you can't operate for long that way. >> in terms of what the cdc has to do, they need to now try to contact people from the aircraft from dallas, and figure out who she came in contact with while she was in ohio. >> right, they need to establish when did she truly start to feel sick. they need to nail it down. who did she see in that time period? with nina pham, we were told she only had one contact. it appears there will be many, many more. the cdc doesn't have an unlimited number of disease detectives. >> a troubling number, this occurred just a short time ago, more breaking news, shortly before air time president obama spoke on the issue. he covered a lot of ground off said he didn't rule out appointing a so-called ebola

czar, and also talked about a travel ban. >> i don't have an objection to a travel ban if that is going to keep the american people safe. the problem is in all the discussions i've had thus far with experts in the field, experts in infectious disease is that a travel ban is less effective than the measures that we are currently instituting. >> and again, to our viewers, if you're just joining us, what you see is the aircraft carrying nurse nina pham to the washington, d.c. area. she will be taken to the national institutes of health at the bethesda, maryland area that they have waiting for her. and i want to bring in chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. and also the dean of public school of health. and dr. seema yasmin, and former

detective and professor of public health at dallas. sanjay, the fact that amber vinson could have been sick as far back as last friday that potentially would have put her in contact with a lot more people it would mean it was not only the flight back to texas that could have been exposed but also the flight back to ohio. >> that is exactly right. obviously, you do want to figure out what those symptoms were specifically. and you know, keep in mind again, at the time that apparently if everything we're hearing is true, at the time she was getting on the plane back to dallas she did call the cdc and said she had a temperature of 99.5, so low grade fever. if her symptoms were more minimal than that prior to the flight over the weekend, more minimal symptoms, the important question, how infectious, how contagious would she be, it would still be pretty minimal. you have to balance this, obviously, you want to go find people she may have come in contact with.

talk to those people. and you're asking them, as well. what did you notice in amber, how sick was she when you were talking to her, the contacts that she had and really, really nail down the story. but again, i think the threat to the general public still minimal given that by the time she got on the flight back to dallas still just a low-grade temperature at that time anderson. >> dr. mccormick, as we watch the plane taxiing getting ready to take off with nina pham, i think it bears repeating. we talked in the last couple of days. i mean, you had experience dealing with ebola patients, very rugged situations in africa in other ebola outbreaks. you have said repeatedly that it is not necessarily that at the nih they have magic wands. or it is not just that they have high tech equipment so much as they have practice and protocols that they rigorously adhere to.

that is what is critical in treating this. and any hospital should be able to do this if they practice, practice, practice. >> absolutely, anderson. this is a very disappointing failure also of surveillance. i am just astounded at the fact that she was under self-surveillance. this should have never happened. and secondly, you cannot replace good training, solid technique, good protocols with all the technology in the world. because it will eventually break down, as well, if the staff are not well trained. and i think you have to have a staff right down to the nurses. and listening to the comments of the nurse previously, you have to have nurses who buy into this. who are part of the team. not just doing a job because somebody told them to do it. and it is clear from the top to the bottom that this hospital

just had major problems in how it was organized for this. and i'm just wondering if a lot of people wonder if this hospital is competent for a lot of other things. because this should not have been this complicated. it was made so by the lack of preparation for the staff. it also gives a disturbing message to the rest of the world and to other hospitals in the united states. >> yeah, about how the united states can deal with this. dr. yasmin, you worked with the cdc in tracing. how does that actually work? what is actually going on in relation to nurse amber vinson tracing the people she actually came in contact with. >> i tell you, anderson, it is really hard work. you take a good history patient, and ask when did you start having symptoms, from that particular day you say who did you have contact with that person, where did you go?

you say where did you go the next day you had symptoms, the fact that she may now have had symptoms earlier than we were told means the cdc really has their work cut out for them. they have to cast that net much wider, perhaps do contact tracing back in ohio. it is very difficult work that will probably become a lot harder. >> the fact that the hospital -- we talked about the lack of transparency from the hospital, they put out a few statements and apologized in a general sense. but the fact you have this whistle-blower nurse who today on the today show levelled very detailed descriptions of what was going on and the lack of preparation, they have really responded not at all to what she said. they have remained completely silent. >> it is stunning but not surprising. they have responded to almost nothing. for example, the initial mistake where they let him go home and then didn't admit him. at first they said it was a flaw

in the medical records, and then said no, it was not a flaw. i mean, they just have not come forward. >> to my hospital management, i know they're all concerned about lawsuits, but the most important thing is getting accurate information to other hospitals to let them know what did or didn't work in this hospital. and this hospital keeps talking about wanting to share information to help other hospitals. they haven't been sharing information about the public at all about what really went on. it is pretty outrageous, a complete lack of transparency. as always, we'll have a lot of reporting on this at this hour, we're also live at the 9:00 hour, be sure to set your dvr, coming up next, my interview with the whistle-blower nurse, my conversation with the nurse who saw just firsthand how ill-prepared the dallas hospital was. she said how little they told staffers, nurses who put their lives on the line every day. >> why?

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welcome back, we have breaking news tonight on a number of fronts. first, amber vinson, who contracted ebola after caring

for thomas eric duncan. we reported she had a fever flying back from cleveland to dallas. we learned she had symptoms three days earlier than she was symptomatic, and three days earlier than when she came into contact with the flight. and the cdc is trying to nail down who she came in contact with. also nina pham, on board a plane, that special plane according to officials they have the kind of expertise in training that simply doesn't exist at this hospital where she works and was infected. and nurse briana aguirre works at texas health presbyterian although her future now is uncertain. that is because she is speaking out about what she says she saw there. the chaos, the lack of training, the confusing protocols from the cdc and the risk that she says that the hospital exposed nurses to in the isolation ward where thomas eric duncan was treated.

now, we spoke recently with her attorney, bob kelly. we want to apologize for the background noise. there was a helicopter circling overhead. sabrina, we have been told that for months the cdc was sending out bulletins, guidelines, how to deal with ebola. and i wonder if any of that trickled down to your level as a nurse. did you receive any special training? did you have mandatory classes? was there discussion from higher-ups at the hospital about how to deal with the patient before thomas eric duncan arrived? >> no one ever spoke to me about ebola. no one ever spoke to -- i never witnessed any other discussions going on among my colleagues about you know, what to look for. how to be prepared. there were no classes offered. there were no training offered. there was a -- a seminar, one-time seminar offered to doctors and nurses, just, if you

were interested you could take it, go to it. and basically it was offered one time. and it was not suggested that we go. it was just -- here is what we're offering here. >> you were involved in the treatment of nina pham. what was that like? what was the protective gear that you yourself wore? >> on the day that i took care of her, it was my first time being involved. and the care of any potential or confirmed ebola case in the hospital, and you know, they asked me if i had been in there -- if i had been trained. i said no, i had not. they said we need someone in there that has been trained. someone who has been a part of this and someone who is going to know what to do more. and they asked who has been trained and the whole room of nurses was silent, indicating that none of them were either

going to come forward or none of them were going to admit they had been trained so that they were put in there. and then after that they said we're going to need a volunteer to care. and it was not just -- there were other patients that day. we're going to need a nurse to volunteer to care for patients in that area. who is going to volunteer? and i said i will. you know. >> and what was the area that they gave you? >> so i went over there in the infectious disease department and i had the -- some representative from the cdc there. telling us what to put on. and they were going over the different changes they made because you know, they -- before they were putting on three pairs of gloves, now they're putting on two. and they were saying this is the system we've moved to now. and it was -- it was a tie-back

suit, a white, tie-back suit, what i assume was a hazmat suit. it was only available in one size so it didn't fit us all. other people were given yellow dupont suits. and i'm not sure which one is superior to another. they were not exactly designed the same. but depending on your size you had had to get which one would fit you. and so we had that suit on. a pair of surgical boot covers that you know, just cover your shoes. and then a taller pair of surgical boot covers that go up to either mid-calf or almost to my knee. and then we had on a pair of long nitro gloves to hear taped to that tie-back suit. and another pair of gloves, so a total of two. we had had a hood on over our

head, both types of suit had a hood on and it came to a zip at the base of our necks. we had on a form of airborne isolation that is a machine you hook around your waist. it leads by a tube up to a hood that sits on the base -- you know, the crown of your head and covers your face with a shield and goes under your chin. and then because the zipper of the suit was a source of you know, contamination we had an apron on, covering that zipper so no bodily fluids could penetrate that and go to our under layer of clothing. >> but was your neck exposed? >> absolutely, yes. there is a -- >> what part of your neck? >> well, the zipper ended about

here on me, and the hood ended about here on me. and you know, this part made a triangle that was open. it was completely open. and the very first type that they were instructing me how to put it on was the very point where i said why would my neck be exposed? why would i have on two pairs of gloves, tape, a plastic suit covering my whole body, two hoods, a total of three booties, including the one on my tie-back suit, an apron, and my entire body is covered in three layers of plastic and my neck is hanging out. i just told them why would an area so close to my mouth and nose, why would that be exposed? >> and what did they say? >> and they didn't have an answer. >> they didn't have an answer. briana and her attorney had much more to say about what clearly

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well, before the break you heard nurse briana aguirre describe the chaos and lack of training and now the lack of transparency at texas presbyterian hospital. she loves her job there, she says but if she came down with ebola she would do everything she could not to become a patient there. here is part two of the interview. >> did they have a lot of this gear? was there any follow-up when you raised objections to what is clearly a ridiculous and dangerous situation? >> i immediately felt like it was ridiculous. and i immediately posed the same question that you are posing to me, asking me right now. i said why, what explanation can you give me or anyone about why we would be in the second week of an ebola crisis in our hospital and we don't even have the same equipment or protection

that is given to suspeanitation workers that have no contact with patients at all? they said we know, we've ordered it. i mean, i talked to charge nurses and supervisors. i talked to house supervisors. i talked to the cdc about it. i talked to infectious disease about it. i raised a stink with anyone and everyone. and i said there is no explanation why we don't have it. if -- we're a part of an organization of hospitals. they could have gone to another one of our thr hospitals and said we have nurses with their necks exposed dealing with a very, very dangerous situation and we will now need your supply to get them in the right hands. and they chose not to do that. >> i can't believe their response was well, we've ordered it. that is inexcusable. >> two weeks? i mean, not to be taken lightly, but i'm sure, i could have ordered it on amazon prime and had it in two days.

i'm sure, i could have. at least a box of them or something. i mean, if you can't get them to another hospital go to a sanitation department that has them and buy them from them and give them to us. it is just outrageous, and the most outrageous part of it is that every time i think about the facts that i'm saying right now i just know that the nurses that have been infected -- they were dealing with the same equipment while they were dealing with so much more than i dealt with personally. they were dealing with an ebola-positive patient with copious amounts of diarrhea, vomiting, continuous dialysis, mechanical ventilation. all of these dangerous, dangerous medical procedures. and they put their lives on the line without the proper equipment. >> you believe nurse pham was wearing that kind of equipment when she was exposed? >> i know she was, because the equipment we needed was still on

order. >> well, the hospital has not responded specifically to briana's accusations but earlied today they did respond to the broader allegations from that union, national nurses united. now, the hospital says when mr. duncan returned to the hospital the second time he was moved to a private room and put in isolation. they also say the nurses that tended to duncan wore protective equipment consistent with the guidelines at that time. and joining me, dr. sanjay gupta and also dr. seema yasmin. sanjay, what she is saying there, the lack of protective gear, and told to put one-inch medical tape on their necks. it is not like hospitals didn't know what ebola was like out there and what other hospitals were doing worldwide to protect

them. shouldn't they have been prepared? >> no question, several problems she outlined very well. two big ones, first of all. the gear itself, what was available, not available. the training, putting it on and off. there are many steps to it. the second part of it, even if you followed the cdc guidelines on ebola it left a lot of exposed skin. and that is quite concerning. i think we have a picture. i got an exclusive look inside what emory uses to basically try and protect their doctors versus what she was just describing. take a look. i mean, this is the lead man on the five-member team that has been taking care of patients here at emory. they go above and beyond what the cdc recommends. but you can't see his whole body there, but take a look specifically at the neck, the hood, the face shield. that is the point. you don't want anything exposed. it is not a respiratory virus so

you don't need respirators, but you need what he has here, and it sounds like she did not. >> she is a very brave woman, she is speaking on behalf of health care workers. they asked why aren't we looking at doctors in west africa who treated ebola and they're wearing hoods and face shields but here in the u.s. the guidelines are very piece meal, you put on a mask, a pair of gloves, oh gown, you may or may not put on a different pair of gloves, so we're seeing very different criteria in the u.s. >> when the head of the cdc was visiting in west africa, he was not wearing what the nurses in the hospital were wearing. he was wearing that pull protective suit, correct? >> correct. and you know he was doing what all the doctors do there. i should point out sometimes you

hear we're making a distinction, if you have direct contact with the patient and are actively taking care of them, it is a different level of protection than when you're just in the room. keep in mind when he was wearing the full protective gear, he was touring and yet fully covered head to toe. there is this double standard there. to be fair that may have been the only equipment they had there where he was in west africa. they may not have had the other options. but still this is not that complicated if this can transfer through the skin, bodily fluid goes through the skin, you cover your skin taking care of a patient, it sounds silly almost saying this over and over again. >> and dr. yasmin, these nurses, if you're a nurse, nurses want to help people. you're in a room with a patient who startss projectile vomiting. the idea everybody doesn't have the same level of protection if

they're in the room with the patient seems bizarre. >> absolutely, anderson, they are some of the most under-appreciated. they want to care for patients and make sure the hospital has their back and they will be safe to do their job. >> and we want to hear about briana, she wants to make sure she keeps her job. just ahead, what we now know went on inside that hospital and what we now know about nurse amber vinson's trip to ohio and back right before she came down with ebola. the latest from ohio next. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on.

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welcome back to breaking news right now, the nurse who was the most recent to contract ebola in the united states might have had symptoms as far back as friday. tonight, we know what she was doing before she was diagnosed. we know that amber vinson was diagnosed but flew to ohio to prepare for her upcoming wedding

and flew back to dallas. now, susan candiotti joins me. you spoke to the owner of a bridal shop that amber went to last weekend. what did she tell you? >> reporter: you know, she said, anderson, when the bridal party came in they were there for a fitting for the bridesmaids. and she said that amber and the group that was with her, amber vinson were having a great time, there for three and a half hours and that she showed no signs of being sick at all. so she was really surprised when she heard about this. >> and i understand, she called the health department. what did they instruct her to do? >> you know, that is the thing, she said she was the one that first called the health department when one of her co-workers saw this on the news yesterday. and she called the health department first to say what is going on. but a health department official is saying tonight that they called her first. so there is definitely a disconnect there. she said that she is really unsettled, really, about how the

health department had been in touch with her. and they were -- she felt, could have given her better and more advice about what she was supposed to do. she said that her staff is actually a bit more worried about what might happen next than she actually is. but she wanted to close the shop as a precaution. and anderson, she told me just a little while ago by text that the health department just left her house and took her temperature of ffor the first t. left a thermometer with her, she is supposed to take her temperature twice a day. and they had her walk through what amber vinson did with her and in the bridal shop when she was there on saturday, anderson? >> okay, susan, thank you very much. this is coming from the cdc based on more interviews they have done with family members and with amber vinson. apparently, these were earlier reports that she may have felt sick with some symptoms when she

flew to ohio, there are questions about the risks of getting ebola on flights. a lot of people fly, we're not trying to spread fear, we're trying to spread information and give you accurate information as much as we know. cnn's dan simon has more. >> reporter: dr. suzanne donovan is an expert on ebola. she recently completed a month-lone stint in sierra leone treating the victims. what made you volunteer? >> well, this is what i do. i'm an infectious disease physician. >> reporter: she has come on board with us on a 767 jetliner, now out of service, to discuss the risk that the american public could have. so let's say somebody has ebola and are showing symptoms and you're sitting next to the person? any chance you can get it? >> i can understand passengers' concern about getting exposed, but this is something that is

contracted through direct contact with bodily fluids. >> if something gets on an arm rest, and you touch it, touch your nose and mouth. >> you're bringing out very rare scenarios. i would say you're at a greater risk of driving to the airport than getting infected with ebola on an airplane. >> reporter: doctors say people have very little to worry about, with the screening and low risk of coming into contact with body fluids of an infected patient. let's assume a worse case scenario for a moment. that there is an infected person on board who is showing symptoms. you're the unlucky passenger sitting right next to them. even with those circumstances dr. donovan says the risk of you getting the disease is still very low. what about just the fabric on the airplane, say for instance, bodily fluids get on the fabric and seats. what is the probability of you getting it that way? >> it is very susceptible to

cleaning agents. so even soap in water in africa, we use bleach solutions frequently. but even washing your hands with soap and water will kill the virus. >> reporter: ebola is not an airborne virus, so there is little concern about getting it on an airplane if somebody sneezes. but the cdc raises the possibility of the virus becoming more infectious, transmitted just like the flu. >> i have seen some of those concerns raised. and clearly any virus that became airborne with this type of lethality rate would be concerning. >> reporter: until then, there seems to be no reason to alter flying habits. dan simon, cnn, victorville, california. we're going to have more on that whole airborne question. because most of the experts i talked to said that is highly

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welcome back, tonight's breaking news, moments ago i talked to briana aguirre, a nurse at texas presbyterian hospital, a nurse who is bravely speaking out about what she says are dangerous conditions that she and her co-workers faced for two weeks after thomas eric duncan was admitted with ebola. the two weeks when she helped care for the nurse, nina pham, and how she described the protective gear that left her neck exposed. >> the hood was right here, this part made a triangle that was open. it was completely open. and they said that what they're doing, and what they have been advising people to do is to go ahead and put however many pieces of tape it takes to cover that hole.

to cover that vulnerable spot. >> and that is what she did, she used medical tape, one-inch medical tape. we're going to talk to her more in the next hour. but now the hospital has said it followed cdc guidelines and the cdc has acknowledged the guidelines were inadequate. they updated them actually two days ago. take a look, on the left side of your screen you can see what the actual guidelines called for. you can see the neck is exposed. on the right, you can see what has been added, a hood that covers the second layer, that is what groups like doctors without borders have been using for a long, long time. sean kaufman is the head of the improvement based solutions and oversaw the infection control at the hospital where nancy writebol and dr. kent brantly were treated. and none of them got infected.

i spoke to him a short time ago. sean, i heard you said earlier that the cdc guidelines were quote, absolutely irresponsible and dead wrong. explain exactly what you were talking about. >> well, i think it is fair to sa ebola is a virus, there are two ways to look at it. number one, we interact with it in a laboratory environment and in the other way we interact with it today in a clinical setting. at cdc, when the labs worked with ebola in a very predictable way there are millions of dollars spent on laboratory equipment and thousands spent on personal protective equipment. while the cdc, on the other hand recommend we work with patients who are sick with ebola really recommended that we wear minimum protection, minimum protection where in an environment if the patient is sick they could have diarrhea and vomiting and bleeding out at any time in unpredictable situations. and so putting the doctors and nurses in clinical situations

with very little ppe is in my opinion, irresponsible and dead wrong. >> there have been nurses here in dallas who talked about how their necks were exposed. and sanjay gupta put on what the cdc protocol was, the outfit and the protective gear. his neck was exposed. and in taking it off, too, he ended up with material on his arm and on his neck. so it is not just the limitat n limitations of the protective gear that they were recommending but also the guidelines for taking it on and off. >> if you do not take your personal protective equipment off properly it will be as if you never wore the personal protective equipment at all. >> and having somebody watching you, monitor you is critical. i mean, you are teaching that right now at the samaritans personnel. >> what i'm teaching is not only the prospect steps for taking on and putting off the personal equipment, but look, nurses and doctors are very patient driven.

they focus on the patient. and if someone is not watching the nurse or doctor meaning if somebody is not watching out for the nurses or doctors they can get so focused on the patient that they forget about themselves. >> i understand you actually warned the cdc about their guidelines. what was their response? >> well, i warned them via e-mail and was initially very well received. they forwarded it i think to the final person where it needed to go. and really, cdc just -- they kind of defended what they were doing. they stated that they felt that the protocols were acceptable. >> and the nurse from texas presbyterian, or one nurse at least now says that there was no discussion of ebola protocol before the first patient came in. and only warmup optional informational seminar to go to. if that is true, that, to me is pretty unbelievable. because i mean, cdc was warning about this back in august. and obviously, we have been watching this outbreak for a long time in west africa. >> what you're saying to me is

the same as saying to a child who does not know how to swim. i'm going to teach you how to swim with a power point and then simply throwing them in the swimming pool and leaving them by themselves. they are going to drown. that is not setting your staff up or your hospital up for success. it is a failure in leadership and it is a failure in work force preparedness. >> we've also gotten reports. i talked to dr. mccormick who talked to another hospital in texas and some of the nurses there say they were just shown youtube videos about protocols. not actual hands-on training. which again, to your analogy, it is pretty stunning. >> yeah, michael phelps, if he could teach us how to swim with a video then by all means let's train with videos. but the reality is this, emory university was a complete success in a lot of ways but primarily because they not only trained and prepared for this

event but they had somebody making sure everybody was doing what they needed to do. >> well, sean, i appreciate what you're doing. you're on the ground there at great risk. and i appreciate all your advice and help. thank you very much. >> well, thank you very much. >> we're going to have much more on the ebola crisis in the next hour of "ac360." we are live all through the next hour. our breaking news, nina pham, the first nurse diagnosed with ebola is on a flight right now to the national health institute in bethesda, maryland. we'll bring that to you soon as it happens. stick around, we'll be right back. with this runny nose. i better take something. dayquill cold and flu doesn't treat your runny nose. seriously? alka-seltzer plus cold and cough fights your worst cold symptoms plus your runny nose. oh, what a relief it is. for over 19 million people. [ susan ] my promotion allowed me to start investing for my retirement. transamerica made it easy. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica. transform tomorrow.

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good evening, again from dallas tonight. where just moments ago nurse nina pham left the facility for a facility in bethesda, maryland. the hospital released video of her before she left the hospital. they just put this video out on youtube. we are seeing it for the first time. some of it i believe is sub titles. let's take a look. >> thanks for being part of the volunteer team here to take care of our first patient. this is a huge effort by all of you guys. we're really proud of you.