arbor. and you know she is a single, indian woman, no friends, no money. just a broken down car. she goes to a phone booth and looks up the first indian name she can find. and this guy, his last name is patel. she calls, he doesn't answer. his roommate does. and his roommate is now her husband. my father. >> that's incredible. i mean, just amazing, amazing story. sanjay, great to see you. thank you. that does for it tonight. and "cnn tonight" starts now. >> thank you. both of you. please stick around. we have a lot to talk about. breaking news, nina pham being rushed to national health center in bethesda maryland. she spoke earlier today in00er dallas hospital room and asked for the individually to be shared. >> party, party in maryland. >> okay. >> do you need anything?

okay. >> meanwhile -- they are happy tears right there. >> meanwhile the other nurse with ebola, amber vincent is being treated at emory hospital in atlanta. i will talk exclusively to her uncle who spoke with her today. we'll get the very latest from him. also, for the third day in a row, president barack obama speaking on ebola and opening the door to the idea of pointing an ebola czar. >> it may be appropriate for me to appoint an additional person, not because the three of these folks have not been doing an outstanding job. i should mention susan rice, my national security adviser. not that they haven't been doing an outstanding job, really, really, working hard on this issue. but they also are responsible for a whole bunch of other stuff. >> is your hospital ready to handle ebola. we'll get into all of that tonight. we have a lot of breaking news to got to. i want to go to anderson cooper at the texas health presbyterian

hospital in dallas, dr. sanjay gupta at emory hospital in atlanta will join us in a moment. andersen, talk about the video released. we hear directly from nina pham and conversation with her doctor before she took off to the nih in maryland. let's watch. >> thank you for being part of the volunteer team to take care of our first patient. it means a lot. this has been a huge effort by all of you guys. okay. yeah, we're really proud of you. all right. >> party. party in maryland. okay. do you need anything? okay. those are happy tears. happy tears. no crying. it's not allowed.

nina pham asked the hospital to release the video. first time we have seen her. seen pictures of her. this is very emotional. it is. your heart goes out to her. surrounded by people in space suits. the sense of lonliness and isolation. has got to be extraordinary. they took the time to subtitle. a hospital not transparent. not making any public statements. not informed other hospitals about what has gone wrong inside the hospital to help out other hospitals. not informed the general public either about what went wrong. so, it, you know, you got to take it for what it is worth. this is clearly an effort by the

hospital to -- to, to change the conversation. to, to, seem as if they are being transparent. interesting to see nina pham and the suits they're wearing. a far cry from what nurses told us they were wearing and asked to wear early on. >> i want to speak to sanjay. as we look at the video. this appears to be different gear, pro ttective gear than hospital workers had been wearing before. this appears to completely protect them at least from looking at the video. a couple things to point out. thehood over the head. you see the shield in the video there. we were seeing that a little bit ago. also something that andersen had the conversation with the nurse working in the hospital before. that even with the suit, that it only had come up to sort of the base of her neck.

what you were seeing with the nurses. it covers that part as well. if we learned anything about ebola, you want to protect all parts of your skin. small amount of bodily fluid can cause the infection. that's adequate protection, don. >> sanjay, anderson, for the second day the president canceled his travel plans to focus on ebola. i want you to listen to what he said this evening about a travel ban from west africa and then we will talk about it. >> i don't have a philosophical objection necessarily to a travel ban if that is the thing that is going to keep the american people safe. the problem is, is that in all of the discussions i have had thus far with experts in the field, experts in the infectious disease is that a travel ban is less effective than the measures that we are currently e lly

instituting. >> the president doesn't believe a travel ban will work. do most experts agree with that? yes, that was one of the big topics of conversation at the hearings. the doctor took more question as but that than anything else. he is against it. and basically his core point is that if you institute a travel ban, there is still going to be people who are going to arrive in the united states who, who are going to have ebola. either carrying the virus in their body and not sick yet or becoming sick. the problem is you can't track them then. you can't trace them. that is the really important fundamental point to preventing outbreaks. if you, if you don't have a travel ban, you can follow people as they come to the united states and keep an eye on them. dr. frieden feels strongly about that. the president, sound like leaving the options a little bit more open than dr. frieden did.

the president spoke of problems seen in dallas. he said his team was doing an jut standing job. some are comparing that to katrina saying this is a heck of a job moment. is that fair? >> obviously, look, it is a certainly a different situation, obviously a statement which echos, you know that famous statement made by then-president bush. you know, i think what, what, i have been focusing a lot on, are really the actions by the hospital themselves here. the cdc is limited in terms of what they can do. the cdc coming in taking over a hospital. that's not the way it really actually works. it is really up to each hospital and state health officials. they have not been very transparent. on the travel flight. i talked to, the travel ban, i talked to, to probably about half a don't relief workers, working right now in liberia and elsewhere. all of them say -- you know,

beyond the, the understandable fear of which is motivating the idea of the travel ban, the logistics of actually getting people to and from the disaster zones inned or r order to trea and get supplies in. they're moving hundreds of people throughout each week, each organization. they say just charter flights alone. that is going to be much more difficult. the key to this, not just happening in the united states. the getting, tackling ebola, defeating it in west africa right now. >> anderson. thank you. sanjay. thank you. stick around. get to much more on that with the president's comments later in the broadcast. amber vincent's trip was to be full of excitement and planning her wedding it turned into a nightmare for the ebola stricken nurse and worried family. joining me now exclusively is amber's uncle, lawrence vincent. good evening, we appreciate you joining us here on cnn. how is amber. >> good evening. thank you. amber is doing well under the

circumstances. i spoke to her today. >> what did she say? she said she is feeling okay. we are impressed with the team caring for her and they have been very commune icative with e family. >> the nurse, amber vinson felt fatigue, muscle ache and mala e malaise. on a flight home. did she exhibit any symptoms? did she feel fatigued when she was on her way home? >> she never conveyed that to me. amber felt fine. felt well until tuesday morning. tuesday morning, she woke up --

felt that -- that she should take herself in. she checked her temperature. she was below the threshold. 100.3. she decided she should go. >> when she was back in dallas? >> that's correct. she returned monday evening. >> okay. so, you know it has been said that she contacted the cdc. and asked whether she should get on a plane because she had a temperature of 99.5. is that correct? >> so, no. no that's not -- accurate at all. amber -- what, when the first nurse became symptomatic, amber was already in ohio. and i guess -- health officials in texas started to reach out to other -- other nurses that were

a part of that care team. and the actual situation was that the nurses, the team had been told to monitor their own temperature. there wasn't a reporting requirement. they got in touch with amber, right. and asked had she been monitoring her temperature. and how did she feel. when someone followed up with her monday. when she was getting ready to fly. she reported what her temperature was. and -- that, she was -- on a return flight that afternoon. and so, someone in texas, said, wait let me check. and made several calls to the cdc. >> at no point to your knowledge did she ever contact the cdc.

a health worker in dallas contacted the cdc. >> absolutely. and to my knowledge, there, there is -- yeah, at no pointco. >> so that person from texas got back to her and said what to her? >> that -- after multiple calls the cdc said that it was okay for her to fly. >> so she flew and came home and not until tuesday did she start to feel exhibit any symptoms. >> that's correct. that's correct. so, yeah. if, if in hindsight some one decide that there should have been flight restrictions that's fine. but to misrepresent and say restrictions were in place when they actually weren't is -- is inappropriate. >> some of the nurses have shared and said they never felt as if they were in any imminent danger because the hospital conveyed to them because of the, the precautions, the protocol, the suits and what have you,

gloves, everything they had in place that they were fine. they weren't under a quarantine. they were just asked to monitor their temperature twice a day. >> absolutely. >> are you saying amber didn't feel she was putting any one in danger, is that correct? >> that's correct. they were given gear that was supposed to provide isolation. they were given protocols to follow. they were led, that they believed would protect them. that was the feeling and the intent. >> where are her parents now? where is her mother? your sister? my silser wa sister went to dal with amber. the decision was made to move amber to emory, we were under the, we were, directly told, not under the impression, we were directly told that they would

work transportation arrangements both for my sister and amber's mom and her fiancee. later they want to the hospital and were told, oh, amber is already departed. and for -- >> they put her on the plane to atlanta without informing your mother, her mother? >> right. without informing her mother or her fiancee. and what we have been told for the last 24 hours is that they need to figure something out. >> how is her mother? >> she's, as well as can be expected under the circumstances. she is obviously very worried. as we are all are. >> and her fiancee? >> he is holding up well. you know, this is -- not something that any family ever thinks they're going to have to deal with. >> he is her fiance. but, but, you would imagine that

they would be in close contact with each other. i mean people who are in love, kiss each other and all those things. has the he been checked out at the hospital? >> he has. he has been to the hospital. he -- he has been given the same instructions given to the other health care workers to monitor his temperature twice a day. >> how do you feel your knniece has been portrayed by the cdc and, you know, because they're saying, there had to be some sort of breach -- breach in protocol for the nurses to contract ebola? >> i -- i believe that it doesn't necessarily mean that there was a breach in protocol. there is obviously problems with the protocol and the procedures.

and, as evidenced by the fact that they have evolved and changed over time. i feel that there are certain unknowns and certain, and, you know, some gaps in the process. and we are very disturbed by the effort to focus on -- on perceived violations of rules that weren't in place. >> i want to get something in. because i know this is important to you. you have been upset about some fund-raising efforts purportedly in amber's name. i want to give you the opportunity to clear up any confusion about that, that, that you would loike. >> yeah, absolutely there are no phone or internet fund-raising activities associated in any way with amber or our family. so, for those who are would look to help, at this point, we are just asking for your support and prayers. and anything purported to be in

support of amber that is absolutely not the case. >> lawrence vincent. you have conducted yourself very well this evening. and your family should be proud of you, coming and sticking up for your niece. good luck to you. >> there is just one more message i would look to convey. >> absolutely. >> so, we have an entire team of health care workers who took on a very difficult mission. we have two of members of that team that have been severely impacted. but we understand that -- that there was a -- a much larger team who all were dedicated and noble and performedingperformed performing their duties. and we want to share our support for that entire community. >> thank you very much, lawrence

vinson. our thought are with amber and everyone else affected by this. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we are watching for nurse nina pham's arrival in maryland tonight. we will bring you that as it happens. looking at that, live pictures. don't go anywhere. we will bring that for you. when we come right back. charges nurses were in dallas were not protected as they did heroing work treating ebola patients. i will ask who congress women who are also nurses what they think went wrong. way until the am. new aleve pm the only one with a safe sleep aid. plus the 12 hour strength of aleve.

>> breaking news tonight.

nina pham is being transferred to a hospital run by the national institutes of health near washington. back with me now. dr. sanjay gupta, former inspector general for the department of transportation, an attorney for victims of transportation accidents. you are at emory where the second nurse is being treated. we heard from amber's uncle. what is your reaction to what you heard? he is saying that to his knowledge she never spoke of exhibiting any symptoms until she was already back in dallas. a little confusing. asked about whether or not the cdc received a phone call from ms. vincent. confirmed that the cdc had received a phone call from ms. vinson in cleveland prior to the second flight. flight that would have taken her from cleveland back to dallas.

reported the low grade temperature. 99.5. wasn't told she should avoid the flight. thought that had been established. but of course, you know. and like so many things, don, over the last couple of weeks that is going to need to be clarified a little further. >> sanjay. 99.5. i mean is that a particularly, i think, 98.6. a layman here. is that really -- that far out of the spectrum out of the ordinary? you know it is not. that is a low-grade fever. and what they say, they typically are looking for is 100.4. two things to keep in mind, don. first of all. there weren't as many pieces of information as you can get. one of the important pieces of information here is she had been taking care of a patient with ebola. who died of that. you want to take that into account. you are starting to piece this together. also the fact that people can

devil of symptoms, fever can often be the first sign of something else. are there other symptoms. does some one have redness of the eyes. dr. frieden said, his position was that someone like amber would be in a controlled movement category. what that means because of her contact with some one with ebola, she shouldn't have gotten on a on a commercial flit at all. if she would fly, should have been charter. she can drive places. a commercial flight was a no-no. that didn't get transmitted done to her obviously. >> we are talking about travel here, you heard from the president moments ago saying she is not, philosophically owe posed to a travel ban. he doesn't believe it will work though. >> there are two parts to a travel ban. you know, one, of course the experts are saying, that if you sit next to somebody with ebola on a plane. you have a small chance. that's what they're saying. you have a small chance of

getting it. one part of the equation. here its the other part. i think mr. vinson helped shed light on this. one person traveled who shouldn't have traveled. his words were interesting. she traveled when she wasn't sick yet. the cdc is now lacking for 300 people to track and monitor. the world health organization says that by december there may be as many as 5,000 to 10,000 new cases a week. if just one 1,000 of those people come here we are looking at tracking 300,000 people. that will literally shut down our transportation system. if the will not work. it will not work. >> mary schiavo, thank you. >> sanjay, thank you. we'll check in with you. later on. mary, you too as well. did the dallas hospital fail to use safety protocols in dealing with ebola. up next i'll speak with two congresswomen who are also registered nurses.

>> the dallas hospital admits it failed to diagnose ebola. it is fighting back against claims by a nurse's union that protocols were not followed. joining me now is congresswoman, rene elmers, registered, and eddie bernice johnson of texas. a registered nurse. glad to have you here you have a real voice in understanding knowledge of this. i want to ask you both, before we get started about the president's comments tonight. he is not oppose to a travel plan. it might be team to appoint an ebola czar. would you look to see him make

those changes to you first. >> i would like travel restrictions to put in place. we can be protecting every american from potential infection as we have seen two nurses already contracting the, this terrible disease. i don't know that a czar at this point is necessary. another layer of bureaucracy is not the way that i would go with this. the president need to lead. we ask him to put forward travel restrictions. >> representative johnson. well, you know -- i think that -- we have to understand that you can put travel restrictions from west africa, but that doesn't mean that everyone leaving west africa is going to come stay to the united states. just as this patient did not. he stopped two places beaver he reached the country. so i wonder if it is worth it to

stop all of the air traffic that would also keep us from getting help to them and keep us from getting our citizens back as they need to come. so i am not even sure. that is an appropriate thing to do at this time. what about a czar, an ebola czar. i happen to agree that i am not sure that another layer of bureaucracy is going to help. i think, frankly, that we were not ready. we were not thinking of this. especially in dallas. at that particular hospital. there were some glitches. the protocols were out. i had checked that out myself before that happened. but because they had not received anyone thinking about receiving anybody with it, had no forewarning that they would be receiving anyone with ebola. they just hadn't thought about it. >> i get it. so you are saying that, the health system was not prepared.

i want to ask you a couple things in the time i have with you. the whistle blower from texas, presbyterian hospital. let's listen to what she told our anderson cooper, a shrt time ago. >> why would my neck be exposed? why do i have on two pairs of glove, tape, a plastic suit covering my whole body, two hoods, a total of three pairs of booties including the one on my suit, an apron, and my entire body is covered in at least two to three players of plastic and my neck is hanging out. and i just, a told them why would an area so close to my mouth and my nose, why would that be exposed? and they didn't have an answer. >> representative elmers, you were a nurse for 21 years, are you shocked by what brianna is saying.

>> well you know it is curious as to the protocol that e w wth were following. when i look at nurses and health care providers, we practiced for decades universal precaution sews we can make sure we are safe and make sure the patient is safe and that we are not bringing germs home to our own families. so, although i do believe that there was an incident that happened and occurred, i'm not sure what that is. and i, i think that we have to be careful and identify the situation, and that's why i believe we need to move as quickly as possible and bring everyone together to solve this problem. what would you look to see happen next, being a member of the health care system and lawmaker. >> mr. trainin imore training. more education. everyone is alerted now. i hope more training will take place. >> representatives, thank you very much. thank you for joining us on cnn. should all of us be scared about going to a hospital.

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>> breaking news, everyone. welcome back to cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. looking at the plane. the private plane, which the nurse nina pham is on. now landed in frederick, maryland at the municipal airport there. took off earlier from love field in dallas. nina pham, the first nurse health care worker in the united states, to contract ebola. she is 26 years old. she was infected again by thomas eric duncan, a liberian man who came over from liberia showed up at her hospital. she treated him. they said that she is in good condition and improving. that is according to the other

hospital she was, head of texas health presbyterian hospital. federal health officials are saying the decision to move pham from dallas to national institutes of health in maryland is because -- it was in the best interest of the dallas hospital and they felt she would be better taken care of there. and because they have a trained, biohas theed are u ed ared ar e unit at the nih and they have confidence in the system there. nina pham, 26-year-old nurse, just arriving. and we are undjoined now from bethesda, maryland, brian, at nichlt h. brian they're moving her to the nih, they thing the nih is better equipped to handle this. >> they do, don. nih is well equipped to handle this. very specialized isolation unit in building ten behind me. called special clinical studies unit at nih. there is a real sense of

anticipation here because, nina pham is the first ever ebola patient to be treated here. they had a patient arriving here in late september, who was exposed to ebola, but it turned out he did not have the virus. so they released him after treating him briefly. let him go. nina pham, the first ever patient, diagnosed with y-in toe treated here. they're ready for it. they have a range of treatments for range of diseases here at nih from cancer to tb, malaria to ebola. so they are ready for this. and this is a very specialized unit. just two beds are available for ebola patients. she is obviously going to be in one. the other one at the moment is emteam. this is a very, high containment isolation unit. they're anticipating her arrival. the airport its about 35 miles north of here in frederick, maryland. after she land i am sure they will have preparations on the tarmac. not going to be taking off in the ambulance immediately. we don't anticipate her arriving

here at least for 40 minutes or so. don. >> i would imagine this would be the say thing that we saw yesterday. with amber vinson, she was taken, last evening. she was flown from dallas, brian, to, to emory university hospital in atlanta you. see people around her. we saw at least -- and now in full pro tktive gear. and -- we witnessed the ambulance. carrying the patient being taken directly to the hospital and we will follow all of that. but you know, again, health officials are saying there is no, because one of the people who contracted this got on an airplane, they're saying it know it airborne. they should not worry about it. it is glaring that every patient who is transported including two original patients transported to atlanta they're transported by private plane. they're not transported by domestic commercial airlines.

and so, this is an abundance of precaution. that's why people are so concerned when a health care worker who has come in close contact with a patient, who has ebola, that's the concern there, brian todd. it sure is, don. every possible precaution is being taken. it is interesting, the visual that you just get from, from, in the transportation process. the patients were in full hazmat gear. transported by ambulance to private planes. it is a sense this is an outbreak causing just an incredible amount of concern. of course with all of the, the, potential problems with air travel, associated with this outbreak and all the people who are potentially exposed, having to be tested. and, of course we have a lot of false alarms with a lot of the people who have been on the flights. some of the people. but again, because it is such a highly contagious disease. they have to, they have to use an abundance of caution as you said. and, some of these images are striking though when you see the

people, being transported in heavy hazmat suits. we are told here, doctors, nurses everybody who comes in contact with nina pham will be heavily outfitted in hazmat suit, polyurethane protections woven into them. wearing special gloves. isolation gowns. shoe coverings. things like that. all of that will be employed here as well. again, real sense of. yeah? >> as you are looking, i want to point out bottom of your screen there the amount of press and the crowd of people who are waiting outside of this airport. just to witness this. again there was consaern but ebola, you know, coming here to the united states. the initial concern. you should not bring some one into the united states. should not bring -- you know this virus back to the united states. since then we have seen movement on several patient now and witnessed very similar scenes, as this.

and, you know to mant is becoming a, an all too common occurrence. again our health officials are saying. this is not spread through the air. not airborne. and most people have -- should not be concerned about this. definitely not panic. but we, we should be safe. centers for disease control has been holding press conferences just about every day. updating the media and public on the condition of the people who have come of in contact with ebola. and, and especially the health care workers who are on the front lines. there was also, there is also been some interest and some questioning about, why patients are being sent to, to different hospitals around the country. hospitals like the perez buy fearian hospit i-- presbyterian hospital in dallas, equipped to the level, that can handle this situation, as we have seen, there have been several instances there where people have become, contaminated and have, have, contracted the ebola virus.

emory university hospital treated several people. no one there has tested positive for ebola. and the treatment of the patients. now the national institutes of health. as brian todd has been reporting. there is a system in place. though they have not treated any patient with ebola. it is believed that -- nina pham, the first health care worker to contract in the united states will be better off there. the hospital is better suited. brian todd how far is this airport from the national institutes? >> it is about 35 miles north of here, don. the airport in frederick, maryland. small, municipal airport. you know the reasons for transporting her there are, i guess fairly obvious. a small airport. a lot less congestion. and, and just a, less of a disruption in potential air traffic in taking her there. plus a fair low straight shot down route 270 to bethesda maryland from there. so it is pretty obvious why they

would think that is an easier route for her to take. more streamlined. bringing her here. this late at night. shouldn't be much of a problem trafficwise in getting her here. what is interesting, nih. building 10. nih on the front lines in the ebola outbreak two fronts. not only treating the first ever patient they have here, diagnosed with ebola, nina pham. working on a vaccine. one of two facilities testing an ebola vaccine. the other is the water reid army research, here in suburban maryland. two places, testing out a potential ebola vaccine on humans. this is within of them. nation that institutes of health right behind me on the front lines of the ebola outbreak in two different ways two very important ways. >> so now, brian, we are seeing

the ambulance backing up toward the airplane. we will see, nina pham along with a team of experts in full protective gear exiting the aircraft. our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. we have been witnessing the scenes. you have witnessed and reported through several of them. take us through what will happen next? >> well, you have got to keep in mind there is lots of people obviously involved with the transport. so obviously on the plane. and then getting her from the plane to the ambulance. you have got, you know, for obvious reasons. people are going to be very careful. if you are within three feet of the patient. nina pham. you are kiddedconsidered a cont. in full suits. a pretty orchestrated thing, don. as you mentioned kind of remarkable, you know up until a few months ago when dr. brantly

came here the we have never seen anything quite like this in the united states. now, getting quite accustomed to it. frankly. this is the first patient going to the nih. specifically in this manner for the ebola treatment. this is a well-orchestrated well planned thing. when they get to the hospital. usually, minimizing the amount of contact. she will have in the hospital. taken straight up to isolation. beginning her care. >> again if you are just joining us now. nina pham, the first health care worker in the united states to contract ebola. now landed at frederick maryland, at the municipal airport. making her way to nih. she was at presbyterian hospital in dallas where a number of people at least two health care workers have come down with ebola. have been, tested positive for ebola. of course that's where the first patient died in the united states. eric duncan. thomas eric duncan came over

from liberia. both of the health care workers the one who is now in atlanta. and, and nina pham now in maryland. both of these health care workers treated -- eric duncan. and so, the, the -- the stairs to the plane have come down. it is interesting because, it is believed with nina pham. it was call the fairly early on. there was individually release of her tonight. we believe tonight from her hospital bed. she was abut to be transported. she soomd eemed to be in pretty spirits. did you look at it? >> i saw the video. looked in good spirits. joking around with the doctor and, the two doctors, doctor and nurse in the room. you also got a good look at the pro ttective gear. little bit of a statement being made there, don.

obviously criticism around pro tpro -- around protective gear. nina pham. and amber vinson may have become infected in the first place. not the case in this video. you see some one well protected. no skin around the neck exposed. see the hood coming all the way over the face shield. that is the standard gear. i can tell you before dr. brantly arrived. we spent time with the doctors here at emory, doing drills, training exercises getting ready. and everybody, anybody who walked into the unit did wear the gear look that. fully covering them from head to toe. no skin showing. a basic core principle there, don. >> remind me, sanjay. and nancy writebol, where was she treated again? do you remember? >> she was also treated here, don, at emory. both came here. the first two patients. >> so my question is, sanjay, as we are looking at the crew

getting off the plane. the crew is not in protective gear. why is that? >> typically what happens in the planes. i haven't seen the inside of this plane. you can almost think of a bubble inside a bubble. i'm simplifying a bit. but the patient in this case, nina pham would go into the internal bubble. then you have holes for people to put their hand into the bubble to be able to do things, provide care. but outside the, the primary bubble there is a second ear bubble. the health care workers are in between the two bubbles. then the crew, the flight crew. the ones sort of managing the flight itself. they're outside of those, those bubbles. and -- because they're far enough away, because they're not in any kind of contact with the patient, they don't need to be in those same sort of protective suits. if you are more than three feet away, don, you are not considered at risk. this is not an airborne virus the so you could be, five, six, ten feet away and be cocomplete

fine. we have seen images of that during the transports. >> a gentleman last evening with, with amber vinson when she was transported to emory university hospital where you are in atlanta. a gentleman did not have pro tktive gear. everyone was asking why doesn't he have it? isn't he too close? what is going on here? >> yeah, the clipboard man they're calling him. he was carrying a clipboard. a twitter account now about him. a safety qurd nay tore. everseeing the safety of the transports. certainly when you look at the images of him. you see him, lots of people in hazmat suits around him. and the patient. a few feet away. more than 3 feet away. optics of that is, wow, this, seems like something has gone wrong here. somebody is not dressed the way they should be. you can understand how that causes confusion. again the science regarding ebola transmission that is one thing. stayed the same in all of this.

that has the not changed. this is not an airborne virus. something that spread through direct contact with bodily fluids. again, somebody dressed without a hazmat suit. few feet away. from a patient with known ebola is not a risk. that's why, he was safe in that situation. sanjay, stand by. help me through this. bring in, the registered nurse and president of the -- allied employees. deborah burger, co-president of national nurses united. dr. alexander garza, former executive secretary of health affairs and chief medical officer in the department of homeland security. ann toomie, interesting, we have been listening to the nurses. we have heard from the family of amber vinson, who is saying, you know -- initially they didn't think they would be expezzed to this. but as time went on they started to worry about it especially

their skin. being exposed here. as you listened throughout this evening, what do health care professionals need here. will it be handle differently, ann toomie at the national institutes of health. >> it is a great question. there is some clear lessons to be learned from all of this. the lessons are there has to be clear defined protocols and procedures. and they have to be developed -- at the hospitals, but also with the, the front line care givers. that are actually going to be affected by them. and training, education, can't be taken for granted. it seems to me the two nurses did not get that. they were put into a situation. it was just expected that the normal routine of isolation procedures should kick in.

this is different. and we are, i would also say there has to be dedicated teams of volunteers that, that work in this environment. it shouldn't just be -- it shouldn't be everybody. it should be -- clear teams of, of -- health care workers not just nurses. not just doctors. but you are also talking people from the lab and talking about the housekeepers. people take care of the laundry. do you think the national institutes is a better place for her? >> clearly. they're prepared for this. i am sure those taking care of her. this is, they have gotten the training. they know the protocol. that there are -- clear steps. they know have off to be taken for every aspect of her care. i dent thion't think that took n texas. deborah burger, you joined us on

cnn, updating us on how you feel the situation has been handled. and the nurses and what you feel they have been exposed to. amber vinson's family -- has been very supportive of the health care workersveying what them. she is in the hospital. she is concerned about them. and nina pham, same thing from the new video of herren the hospital this evening. she is sick with ebola about to be transported. voicing support for men and women working alongside her. >> well the health care workers were actually trying to do the very best they could. unfortunately, the hospital administration failed them. and that's what we are concerned about. because the surveys we have done have clearly indicated that there is a lack of training, lack of education, and tee tal lack of being able to practice with the -- equipment. and use the drills.

and be able to get familiar with the equipment. because it is not something that we use every day. and the thing is, is that we are concerned about is that we cannot really -- depend on necessarily a highly skilled team at each facility. we know patients present in many, many different clinical set gdz. settings. they didn't always go to the emergency room. they don't always go to -- where the dedicated medical center is that is supposed to take care of them. mr. duncan didn't know that emory, nebraska university, and maryland were the centers of exlense. he ended up in dallas. those teams in dallas said that they were clearly ready when, several nurses from dallas told us, that was not true. dr. garza, let's talk about

protocol. look at the ambulance. awaiting nina pham to get off the plane. there are reports, in spain, a patient is under on ser vaebser because they rode in an ambulance that carried an ebola patient. an ambulance that had not been decontaminated. if true, what would it moon how the virus is being transported. >> it depend a lot on the environment of the ambulance. clearly if the patient was transported in the ambulance, had left behind bodily fluid. the flew is was left on the surface. and a patient came in contact with it. then, that could be the mode of transmission right there. you would assume that, that that, ambulance would have been thoroughly decontaminated before anybody else would have gotten into it though. so it is a little built surpr-- surprising that did not happen. we are looking at the pictures. takes them a little while for them to get together and get off

the plane. this, they arrived fairly quickly. commercial flight here, 3:30. but they did it in a short amount of time. of course different when you are flying private. don't have to wait in the cue for other airplanes in front of you. obviously don't have to go through security and all those other things. much quicker, quicker process. when you are, when you are flying private here. so, sanjay, unfortunately we are getting some experience, probably more experience than we want with this. that's fair to say. i mean, just, to even a few months ago, don. something that most americans did not imagine ever happening at all. even though we have been talking about the theoretical possibility it wasn't until dr. kent brantly and nancy writebol came to the hospital here behind me where we started to see images like the ones you are seeing now. the transfer of patients again. you heard don, i heard, and from, from the beginning when

dr. frieden would talk about this, hospitals across america. would be ready to take care of patients who might show up with ebola. because the ice racing of ebola wasn't that challenging. they had been doing it in rural parts of central. west africa a long time. why would it be hard at big hospitals here in the united states. dallas challenged some of the theories. challenged some of the confidence, don. that's part of why -- >> sanjay, we are seeing people in gear coming off the plane. we are going to, we are going to slow down a little bit and take our time. and i believe that is nina pham. >> looks like she is walking off the plane there, don. >> very slowly. >> good sign. not every patient we have seen has walked, is that correct? >> that's right. absolutely right. remember, nancy writeboll came in on a stretcher. there you see her there. pretty, pretty clearly.

>> so in the middle of your screen. nurse nina pham arriving from dallas to maryland where she will head now. to the national institutes of health. a facility they believe is better equipped to handle some one who has contracted ebola than, than presbyterian hospital in dallas. and sanjay, stand by one second here. i just want to update our viewers. you are watching now our breaking -- >> this is "cnn breaking news." >> welcome back, everyone. i am don lemon. top of the hour. you are looking live at frederick municipal airport in maryland, where nina pham's plane landed. 11:00 on the east coast. cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. want to go become to dr. sanjay