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here in kansas city, missouri. on the south side of town. and what's going on inside of this building is incredible. many, many drums. a great deal of noise. and a guy named don. you know what i know. this is "cnn breaking news." this is "cnn tonight" i'm don lemon. breaking news the lockdown end. the search for clues begins in the deadly attack on parliament. a scene of panic and chaos. dozens of shops echoing through the marble halls.
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listen. [ gunshots ] my goodness. that is after a soldier, nathan carillo is shot in the back. identifying the likely shooter as michael zehaf-bibeau . a canadian convert to islam with a history of drug use. he was shot and killed by sergeant at arms kevin vickers. i will talk to the hero any brother and eyewitnesses to the violence. i will ask our experts is there a connection to isis? this as another jumper make his way over the white house fence before getting caught by the secret service. and meanwhile in ferguson, missouri, the awe temperature see of michael brown may raise more questions than it answers. what will that mean for the case and community on edge tonight. a whole lot to got to tonight. i want to begin with cnn's chris cuomo live in ottawa for us.
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chris, a terrifying day in canada's capital. you are live at the scene. what's the lateest? >> reporter: the very latest is according to the mayor, talking with anderson cooper, they're going to start releasing somewhat of the lockdown that has gone on here. they had the entire perimeter around the parliament building of course, that situated very close to where the national war monument is, here in ottawa. they had it closed down. didn't know what they had. people involved. varying accounts. that is being released. the city is somewhat getting back to life as normal. a very traumatic event. only had four homicide here last year in ottawa. so something like this highly traumatic, don. part of the lockdown. they thought it might be multiple gunman. clarity into a single gunman or multiple gunmen. >> i can't confirm it.
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heard from the mayor. the police chief told him as of now they believe there was one shooter. description of events. description of the weapon seems to be consistent with that. however, authorities especially in the u.s. side intelligence community are still very actively working on two different theories. one is that this was a -- a lone, deranged person who did this. or there may have been more, because there are multiple witness accounts of that, don. so they're not -- ready to confirm that yet. a big knenet of suspicion. confusion here on the u.s. intelligence side. can days asking for help. the u.s. is willing to gift. they work closely in partnership as you know. but canada is ahead of where the u.s. is on this particular situation. canada is monitoring almost 100 people right now. the man involved who was killed today, the man on monday, who was killed, both had their passports taken from them. they had been flagged already and were being monitored for
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various reasons. so that's where the investigation has to head right now, don. >> we'll talk more about that. chris cuomo live from ottawa. thank you, chris. the attack on canada's parliament seemed to come from really nowhere when the shots rang out this morning. cnn's jim schiuto joins me with that part of the story. the lockdown has begun to start to be lifted. walk us through what happened this morning? >> well, it was a surprise, the city as chris noted. to have one killing, that close, inside the parliament building, consider aid safe zone in the city. doesn't have hey lot of safety restrictions that we would be used to in the states around an area like that. so close to the government building.
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real surprise and fear in cank n canada's capital. terror. 9:52, shots ring out at the war memorial. the victim, canadian soldier standing guard at the site. >> the guy cam from the side on my left-hand side and came out with a rifle. and shot at the man. and -- and then the guy went falling down. >> reporter: from the scene police received multiple 911 calls. >> i heard a shot. i turned around and there was a guy with a rifle, just, around on the back corner. and, just, just pow. >> reporter: moments later, 10:00 a.m., shots fired inside the parliament building a few hundred yards away. >> now, now! move! >> reporter: police scramble. a second round of shooting follows a minute later. law makers inside the building huddle in a caucus room.
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where they pile up chairs against the door to barricade themselves in. police rush others outside to safety. >> pop, pop, pop. possibly ten shots. suddenly the security guards come rushing down the hall ways. usher us out through the back of the parliament buildings. in the chaos, parm sergeant at arms, shooting down an armed suspect. shortly after 1:00 a.m., canadian members report the soldier shot at the war memorial is dead. an hour later canadian police announce a suspected shooter, a male is also dead. police however still unsure whether another gunman remains on the loose. >> we are still investigating the active operation, we're in process now, in clearing and securing parliament hill. that is a slow, methodical approach. >> reporter: tonight, canada's capital, ottawa on alert. new reporting from my colleagues. that is there were already
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concerns about jihadist activity in canada beaver fore to night' attack. and warnings werer ud and security deployed at the u.s. embassy and u.s. consulate in the country not believed tied to this particular attack. clearly, growing consaercerns a activity in canada. don, there is increasing focus from u.s. officials i speak to who have close relationships with intelligence in scan dashgs the motivation of the attack being islamic extremism. they don't know. there are signs. one, the shooter was a muslim convert. two, target was a soldier. three, you had previous attacks this week. two days ago, another canadian extremist, driving his car into canadian soldier and killing him. >> speaking of the u.s., in our nation's capital in the united states, another incident at the white house, with some one jumping the fence. what's the latest on that, jim? >> that's right. a fence jumper. this time, don.
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secret service was on top of the jumper immediately as he crossed the fence. had him identified. dominique otasania, from maryland, there are charges against him, pending. jumped the fence. a dog took him down immediately. we're told two u.s. secret service canines have been set to the veterinarian for injuries sustained during the ins devenlt itch you look at the video, it is incredible. the assailant is seen fight with the dogs on the ground he is taken down. got him a lot quicker than of course the one who got inside the white house and set off so much controversy here in washington. >> jim sciutto reporting from washington. thank you. continue on with the ottawa shooting. eyewitness, producer, for television, arrived moments before the shooting started. chris, good evening. we are learning the name of the
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soldier who died at the memorial, nathan cirilla, tell us what you saw? >> as we have been reporting all day. it happened before 10:00 this morning. i was in our cbc newsroom about half a block away from, from the national war memorial. so, obviously was down there within minutes. and was sort of greeted by very, dramatic, quickly unfolding scene. the soldier in front of the memorial being given mouth-to-mouth and cpr by a civilian woman we have since learned was a nurse who happened to be in the area. at that point, there really wasn't much going on in terms of police presence. but that changed very, very quickly. officers arrived, obviously heavily armed. and, and, then we, we began speak to witnesses. >> and, chris, i understand there were two soldiers at the memorial. what happened to the other
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soldier. did you see that? >> well the other soldier was there. he cam e to the aid of his colleague. you know this all happened obviously very, very quickly. the suspect left the scene and, apparently had a car. got into that car. and then some how made his way up to parliament hill. entered center block, main building on parliament hill. he proceeded down the hall of honor, which is probably about, i would say, 50, maybe not quite that much, 30 yards, and at the end of which is the parliamentary library. at that point, there was -- there was a -- a vicious gun battle. some witnesses report up to 30 shots being fired. what we do know is the sergeant at arms who is the-- the man that is in charge of security on
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parliament hill, oversees at least center block, oversees security. he was the one that fired the bullet that ended this. >> and we are going to speak to his brother momentarily. thank you very much for that. a producer from cbc television and eyewitness. now want to bring in john vickers. his brother kevin is the hero of ottawa. sergeant at arms shot and killed the assailant in canada's parliament building. john, thank you for joining us. you must be incredibly proud of kevin. tell us about your brother? >> kevin spent 28 years in the royal canadian mounted police in various capacities across canada. he is an exemplarily individual who throughout the course of his career put his country and his community first and -- that philosophy i think carried him through the ranks of the rcp in ottawa and bestowed the
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opportunity of becoming our sergeant of arms in 2005 or so. >> you never could have imagined spending time with him, family, big family event he would be involved in something like this? >> absolutely. just sharing with me last week, that he had a busy agenda. there is an increased threat assessment. like him and look all of us, it is just very, very shocking particularly in ottawa of all places to have something like this unfold. and to have your big brother -- right in the middle of it all. certainly was very surreal this morning. >> john, has your brother ever been involved in anything quite like this, a breach in security. anything like this? >> you know, in 28 years of -- of what the royal canadian
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mounted police, i dent belieon' he was ever in a situation where he faced an exchange of gunfire or anything lake that. for it now to happen at parliament as i say is, is unbelievable. and we're any just -- relieved he is okay. and -- but as far as his call for duty. he is the type of guy that when the country needed him, he would be there, full force. and dependable. and, he did what he had to do for the country today. and for the safety of all of those folks there in ottawa and we're just very, very proud of him. >> this is a quite rarity when it comes to canada. we hear about gun violence, sadly, a lot more here in america in the u.s. than we do in canada. and i'm sure this comes as even more of a shock to your family and people of canada to have something this high profile involving guns in canada. >> it certainly is. you know, it is very, very rare.
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here in this country to have a shocking event occur particularly in our nation's capital. can days a strong, independent nation that will rise up to this situation. but today, we hold our heads down and express sorrow for the, for the loss of that soldier and, and, condolences to the soldier's family. we, as i say will rise through this and move forward. >> john vickers. thank you. >> great. and nice to say hi to you, don. >> when we come right back, dozens of children were about to begin ape to tour when the shoo started on ottawa's parliament hill. the law maker who helped lead them to safety. and plus, why the ottawa suspect's passport was seized and what it could moon in the investigationch was there a link
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started firing. people inside the building ran for their lives. i want you to listen to this recording, made by cormack sweeney. i don't know. there was a bunch of gunshots. >> come on. come on, come on! >> a guy with a shotgun? >> yeah, i saw him come in over there. >> outside. outside. outside. [ multiple gunshots ] >> where do we go? where do we go? >> joining me now is morris valacott member of the canada parliament on a tour with a group of 30 children and their parents when the shots rang out. 30, 31 children and their parents for a tour this morning. you sure picked a day to go on a tour. that must have been frightening for everyone.
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>> that's right. well i obviously didn't plan it. it probably is a bit traumatic for some of the kids. we will have to debrief and see how they are handling it. one of the younger kids said that was pretty exciting. some of the other kids. teenagers, gals seemed traumatized by the day and event there. >> so what happened? >> well, we were going through screening. our tour was about to begin. i was going to give them the insider's tour. parliament not sitting that day. so we get on to the floor of the chamber there. i was awol from caucus if you will. and as the screening is taking place, some going through it. some through it. within of the moms is outside. she was the mom actually that saw the shooter come in. and another shooter apparently. so, what's maybe not being said at this point is actually, this woman, vouches, there were two individuals. only one has been shot dead at this point. and i'm thinking probably the reason the lockdown on the hill
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proper, they relaxed it exterior of the hill. she vouched the fact that it was two, darker, probably middle eastern men in western clothes though. and they were the ones in, in with the gun. the one was loper dower down th. >> some of the students are still in lockdown, on the hill. >> some of the parents and students were released to night. had conversation with them to see how they were doing. and how they were taking the whole incident. some of the parents, last i, i talked to them, were still in lockdown in the east block in the bowels of the east block building. they want through when we kind of scrambled out quickly. were chased out. they went down the east block tunnel, that's in the basement area of the east block where they still are as far as i understand. >> we saw images of the mps piling up chairs against the door to prevent any one from getting in. how do the children handle that situation?
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i moon yean you said it was frightening for some. and some took it in stride. >> kind of a surreal thing. i would say, i have nothing of frame of ref rinse erence to co this. apocalyptic might be a word. some might use. never seen anything. off the hill off the wellington street off parliament hill. right away pushed away from this vehicle that is kind of stranded there on the bus lane of traffic. because they say that's where the guys got out of this, young guy telling us to get away from it. saying who are you? a senate intern. right away there is police cars in behind that. the bomb, bomb unit. and sniffer dogs and so on. we got away from there down metcalf, half block over. and kept pushing it back farther and farther. the concern about one or several at that point was, was, they wanted us back farther from the hill for sure. >> thank you very much. on the tour today with, 31 children, glad you are all okay.
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tonight, the canada prime minister labels the shooter, a terrorist. want to bring in cnn's national security analyst and former cia operative. bob, my goodness. what a day. would you call this an act of terror? >> it certainly looks like it now. we will have more information tomorrow. we may change our minds. just the target. the abuilt team to get through security. i think we probably have to call it a terrorist act. until we are told otherwise. the fact it reminds us how vulnerable we are to shooters. a lone wolf or planned. any building in canada. any building in washington, d.c. or new york is vulnerable to this sort of attack. >> i want to ask you about the lone wolf. first his name is michael zehaf-bibeau . and he identified -- he was identified as a suspected gunman. he was a convert to islam. had a history of drug use before he converted.
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do you think there was an isis influence there? is there something coordinated or is this a lone wolf? >> i think it is isis influenced. we'll wait to see on that too. but it is, even oklahoma, in oklahoma, where you had the beheading, fbi agents have told me, these are field officers, have described this as a terrorist attack. it was inspired by iraq. and syria. i think we are going to find out this goes, probably inspired by the conflict. and whether he got instructions or not, he, he just reacted. that's the whole problem. both the fbi and the rmcp, hard to run them down. get on islamic sites. look at them. express frustration about the conflicts doesn't mean they're terroristed. i worked with the canadian police a couple years age they are very, very good at data analytics and sniffing out these people. i doubt this guy fell between
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the cracks. very difficult to i didn't tie them. when they're about ready to break and make an attack. >> you said you think it is isis. wondering about -- beyond canada. isis, attacks thwarted in three isis coalition countries, australia, u.k., now possibly canada. do you think canada knew something was coming? do you think something is imnenlt hei imneni imminent here in the united states? >> the canadian police and the fbi, all agree that something is not necessarily imminent. but inevitable. talked to fbi agents and cia officers who cover this. look it is going to happen sooner rather than later. it is not going to be organized like on 9/11. we are going to get some blow back from this conflict. it doesn't speak to ability of the fbi or canadian police. they're doing a good job. these people that pop out of nowhere. self recruited. self trained. and, and act on their own. >> bob, want to get your response to this.
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from newt gingrich. tweeted this. president obama's statement on canadian killings verges on delusional. he can't bring himself go tell truth about -- to tell truth about radical islamists. does he have a point? >> i think it has gone beyond radical islam. when you find people converting to islam on their own, and stating the jihada, and going out and seeking some sort of justice based on their own interpretations of the world is closer to insanity. so far with oklahoma and these bombings i haven't seen any centralized control of isis. it is the conflict. calling it radical islam. depend on who you are talking to. >> bob, appreciate it. suspected shooter, does he fit the pattern of a lone wolf extremist. up next, i will squ a formask a jihadist what he thinks.
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>> we don't have all the information about what motivated the shooting. we don't yet have all right information about whether this was part of a broader network or plan or whether this was an individual or series of individuals who decided to take these actions. but it emphasizes the degree to which we have to remain vigilant when it comes to dealing with these kind of acts of senseless violence or terrorism. >> tonight canada's prime minister says canadians will never be intimidated by terrorist attacks. what do we know about today's shootings? are they the work of a lone wolf. mia bloom, professor of stu studies at university of massachusetts-lowell. a co-author of "undercover jihadee." you both have great insight into this. you are beth canadian. you both dedicate your careers to understanding and combatting terror. what do you think today, what
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did you think when you heard about the shootings. first to you, mia? >> well, if it was a lone actor, terrorist, it does fit want pattern of the studies that have been conducted of 119 lone actors in terms of the demographics. but i think, i wasn't as surprised maybe as some people given the fact that this is the second attack in just three days. there was an attack just outside montreal, attacking two soldiers at a stripmall. this seems to be there is an uptick in violence that is being person tratd perpetrated in canada by lone actor terrorists. >> many people were surprised "oh, my gosh, canada." was this surprising to you, what did you think? >> well if somebody like myself i have actually been suggesting that, these kinds of attacks are going to happen. you know in canada we like to believe we are a little
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different than everyone else, we are in a good way. but there is this idealistic notion, naive motion that it can't happen here. and i think, the whole country has woken up today. >> yeah. from what little we do know about michael zehaf-bibeau , that, bibeau, he fit, the question is did he fit the pre fool of lone wo profile of the lone wolf or was there a terror campaign? >> there is a little more information that has come out in this regard. unconfirmed so far, there was, communication between bibeau and couture-rolo, martin, there was communication between the two, that the fbi knew the name of this individual, bibeau, which means the rmcp knew his name. that his passport had also been
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revoked. this is going to lead people to ask "is this one of the guys that have been under surveillance? is this one of the 90 or so individuals that the rcmp is supposed to be watching?" >> quickly, one word answers if you can. you think this is isis connected? >> yes, i do. >> mia, do you think it is isis connected? >> i don't think we have enough information yet. the fact is, that, that a lot of these groups are inspired by isis. >> okay. let me play this for you, mia, piece of video, and isis propaganda. it shows the the messages that are going out to potential recruits. here it is. >> in islam in syria, i originally come from canada. ♪ ♪ i watched hockey. i want to the cottage in the summertime. i love to fish. i wanted to go hunting. and th >> what's the significance of
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this if any? >> this is a video that was released -- hombre poulan, released and shows the stereotypical convert who is not particularly knowledge about the faith. so when isis is distorting and bastardizing parts of the koran in order to convince people not to just join the caliphate but engage in beheadings and forced conversions. they believe it. so you have two people both from canada, both recent converts. they look very similar. as far as i'm concerned. >> what's the significance of this? >> mia is absolutely right. they deliberately use these people, people from, you know, dysfunctional background, really. he might try to portray, i want to the cottage, i was living a good life. if you look into their background, you will see, drug abuse, you will see criminality, a dysfunctional life.
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breaking news -- tempers on the rise in ferguson. community on edge, awaiting a grand jury decision whether to indi indict darren wilson. details emerge from michael brown's a brown's autopsy. live to sara siden. and tell us about the details leaked? >> i will start with what is happening at the hour. there are protests that are ongoing. going for the past couple hours as they have every night. tonight the protests are bigger there are some where between 150 to 200 people out in front of
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the police department tonight. they pushed on to the police property. and then, pulled back a bit and there was a tense standoff between police wearing they're riot gear and protesters who were starting to throw things look water bottles. the vast majority of them standing on the opposite side of the road. and the two just sort of looking at each other and the chants coming from appropriate tests. something we have seen on a nightly basis. let's now talk about some of the new leaked information that has the come out. the first time the public has heard a couple of, of these details. the autopsy report from the st. louis county medical examiner's office, the official autopsy report was leaked to "st. louis dispatch." we did get ahold of the copy of the autopsy and confirmed with the county official who has information and privy to information of this investigation, that it is the official copy. that is an accurate copy of the report. in that report it talked about, couple of things that have set people off here. one it talked about the wound to michael brown's hand.
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what experts say it showed. there was a struggle. proven at the patrol car. the other one is causing much more trouble. it has the to do with, forensic evidence that could show whether or not michael brown's hands were up as he was being shot. we showed the autopsy report to a forensic expert who took a look at it, every detail. and he told us -- as have two other forensic experts, that it does not appear from the entry and exit wound on michael brown's body that his hand were up while he was being shot. what it does not tell you, is whether or not, between those lulls, a lull between the time that was quiet, first time he was shot at the car and shot and killed. whether or not his hand happened to be up and came done at some point. but a lot of forensic experts who looked at the paperwork say it doesn't appear his hand were
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up when he was shot. that is causing a lot of frustration here. people saying, they are -- very concerned about what this means. the investigation, don. >> sarah sidner. thank you. appreciate that. now, daryl parks attorney for michael brown's family. good evening, daryl. >> good evening. >> what is your reaction to details that are liking out from the afrom -- the autopsy report, is your team aware of the details of this report. >> we had not seen the report at all, don. asked the st. louis county medical examiner to give us information we did our first awe temperature see with the doctor. here though we have to be very concerned some one would like the awe temperature sutopsy rep dispatch. this like doesn't help their confidence at all. in fact it hurts the confidence of the general public can have in the process. we have serious concerns about
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it being leaked. let me say this though. you have to think about this autopsy is in no way conclusive what happened in that car. you have off to take the many witnesses, six, eight witness whose have come forward and given very credible information about what happened in the case. for example, we know the officer was trying to open his door. they don't contradict that. so the officer started, the interaction between michael brown and himself at the car door. what happened for the gun to come out. i think all the things that led up to the gun being discharged and michael being shot, play a big role in this situation as the well. >> what is your reaction to the report, you mentioned witnesses who said, corroborate what dorian johnson said. what about eyewitnesses who testified and backed up officer wilson's side of the story? >> none of those people have come forward. again weep seep there a see the out there. if they know the truth come tell the truth. the witness whose saw whatever they saw, the black ones, white ones, the ones who use their
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cell fphones to record they cam forward to face scrutiny. to say they have witness that have not come forward. the leaks do nothing. >> do you think it is an orchestrated effort to get people to sort of ease michael brown sa pourers and protesters into the likelihood this officer will probably not be indicted do you think that's why it is being leaked? >> i think it is a slow, wrongful attempt to, one, defame the name of michael brown, two to defame the public's trust in the process. but i think that we have to think about what is happening here. we will be naive to, we can't prove it is intentional. very ironic that all of this evidence comes out the same week. all, not in michael brown's favor. doing it at a time when the grand jury is still meeting you. have someone from the federal
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investigation liking information. st. louis county medical examiner's office liking information. how can we have confidence in the process? >> you are a smart man. an attorney. you know every bit of information that comes out is not going to be in favor of michael brown, correct? >> correct. >> so, eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable. you know that in many cases. and you can get ten people. >> no. no. >> hang on a sequester ocond. let me finish. you can answer. if you get ten people, witness the same thing. and give ten completely different accounts. so, on both sides. on michael brown's side. on darren wilson's side. what is irreap the ffutablirref evidence in the case, itch the evidence is correct it points in the direction of what the officer said happened. go ahead make your point. >> i have to disagree. there is one other piece of evidence that all of the witnesses talk about as totally
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refutable. michael brown was running away. this officer was shooting at him as he ran away. true he may not have hit him as he was running away. he hit him. when michael brown turned arun yes he had his hand up. he also started going down. i think you have to take all of the testimony in totality to, and put it altogether. the real point here though is there is plenty of evidence here in this case for this jury to indict him. remember indictment is just probable cause that the crime may have been committed. it is not allegation not proving guilt. i think we need new make sure they do their job and at least indict. have an open public trial. >> have to go. up against the clock. thank you. appreciate you joining us. coming back. daryl parker. and more in ferguson right after this break.
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the leak from the "dispatch" obtained the autopsy. did you see anything that surprised you? >> there were eight shots that struck michael brown, not six as reported. number two we have confirmation two shots in the head went from up downward which means that michael brown had to be bent over with the trunk of his body essentially parallel to the ground so that when his body is now in anatomic state you have a perpendicular ak sthael whctual went in parallel to the ground. as far as the wound on the thumb is concerned. that confirms what many people already believe and what a lot of other evidence has suggested that there was a shooting that occurred in the car. it doesn't tell you exactly what happened at that point. the key to the case still is the number of shots, seven shots, fired after that shot was fired in the car including the two fatal wounds to the head. another comment i want to make,
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in response to the statement made by your colleague that other forensic experts said clearly that the wound in the am show that his arms were not in the position of surrender. i don't understand that at all. the wound in the upper arm entered in the front and moved upward. well, if i'm like this and i am shot in the, in the arm, the bullet can definitely move slightly upward. the bullet in the forearm entered on the dorsal surface say moved upwards. measurements don't show it that way. i don't see how -- not at all. remember this, the arm can be any one of the positions particularly the forearm, pronation, soupination. for some one to make the statement, definitively is premature. >> much is left up to interpretation as well. chris, apparently more than half a dozen eyewitness accounts from black witnesses who support
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officer wilson's account. does it look like protests were a rush to judgment in your estimation? >> absolutely not. i think it is underscored by the treatment of the protesters and how the law enforcement overreacted. i think the prosecutors are doing a great job of defending this case. prosecutor's job is to prosecute based on evidence that is there. there is evidence to demonstrate this is use of excessive force they have yet to demonstrate how michael brown pose aid thereto to the officer that's because he didn't. this autopsy confirms trajectory of bullets downward confirms that he is posing no threat. >> quickly, short time left here. have you ever worked on a case like this, chris, where so much information started to leak. do you think who ever is leaking this it is coordinated? >> absolutely deliberate.
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i something je th >> it is unethical. a judge handling this case should do something about these leaks. >> chris, regardless of what happened between officer wilson and michael brown. much of the research has been around the treatment of the protesters, heavy police response on the streets, a rush to judgment, also mishandled though, this was mishandled from the get-go. >> absolutely. i think this is demonstrative of a law enforcement agency not accustomed to accountability of social media. now that we have cell phones, instagram, youtube, a different level of accountability i don't think this agency is accustomed to. frank lie this underscores the fact that they have overreacted, everrea systemically in excessive use of force. michael brown should be alive. >> do you think this will bring more unrest, chris? >> absolutely. there is a distrust, publicly, in ferguson and across the country.
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we have to deal with the issue. as we criticize mr. putin, what about jonathan ferril, michael brown, trayvon martin. er use we have to deal with. there is a public distrust here bruchlgt pouri brewing and pouring into the streets of ferguson. >> thank you to both of you. we'll be right back. ♪ [ female announcer ] we love our smartphones. and now telcos using hp big data solutions are feeling the love, too. by offering things like on-the-spot data upgrades --
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i'm don lemon. thank you for joining us for our breaking news coverage of ottawa and also ferguson, missouri. that will do it for us. cnn's live coverage continues now with my colleague anderson cooper. live in ottawa. >> good evening from ottawa, canada. with all tonight that we are learning about the killer who opened fire first at canada's national war memorial, a few blocks behind me killing a soldier there, then inside the halls of parliament. [ gunshots ] that was the scene this morning when the gunman's rampage ended with parliament sergeant
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