i'm don lemon. thank you for joining us for our breaking news coverage of ottawa and also ferguson, missouri. that will do it for us. cnn's live coverage continues now with my colleague anderson cooper. live in ottawa. >> good evening from ottawa, canada. with all tonight that we are learning about the killer who opened fire first at canada's national war memorial, a few blocks behind me killing a soldier there, then inside the halls of parliament. [ gunshots ] that was the scene this morning when the gunman's rampage ended with parliament sergeant at arms

shot him dead. this evening police have been slowly lifting the lockdown on parliament hill and in the city. police say the alleged shooter, michael zehaf-bibeau , was a recent convert to islam with a criminal record and plans to fight overseas for radical islam. more on that and what we know about him shortly. first randy kaye and how this day unfolded. >> reporter: 9:52, a.m., a blaze of gunfire at the canadian war memorial in ottawa. one of two soldiers standing guard at the memorial is gunned down. >> i was locking my book ike up. i heard four shots from that directs. i turned around and ran. i saw one of the soldiers laying on the ground. >> eyewitness peter henderson said the shots sounded like they came from a high-powered rifle. other witnesses describe the shooter as a man with dark hair

and a scarf on his head, carrying a huge rifle. >> the man came around the corner of the prime minister's office, put the gun on his shoulder and fired four shots into the back of this soldier. it was clearly a target. >> henderson says the soldier appears to have fallen backwards. strangers and emergency personnel rushen to try to save him as the gunman runs away. but this is just the beginning, moments later, a quarter of an hour later on parliament hill this terrifying sound echos through the chambers. [ multiple gunfire ] it is now about 10 a.m. witnesses report that the gunfire happened in an area meant for officials. he exchanges gunfire with security officers. [ gunfire ] >> i heard a rapid fire of what appeared to be about 20 shots or more. very loud, it appeared to be fairly close. >> canada's prime minister is quickly escorted along with some members of parliament to a safe location.

but dozens remain inside on lockdown. they tweet to let others know they're safe. mp michelle rempel tweets, mom, i'm okay. i'm in hiding. and this tweet from senator jim munson reads in part, everybody safe, but shaken, mps say they could smell gunpowder. by 10:30 a.m., a journalist says he saw a body slumped over. it will be hours, though, before we get official word that the gunman is dead. killed by sergeant-at-arms kevin vickers. four others reportedly injured in the attack including a security guard at parliament are taken to ottawa hospital. meanwhile, ottawa police still don't know how many suspects they are looking for. at 11:22 a.m., police tell cnn there may have been two or three shooters at the war memorial. >> they do believe there is another gunman at large at this

moment. he may be on the run. >> at 11:40 a.m., there is word of yet another shooting from police. this one a seven-minute walk from parliament, near ottawa's center mall. later, that report is discounted. just before noon, the u.s. embassy in ottawa is locked down, and president obama is briefed on the shooting. then, just after 1:00 p.m., this grim news. >> sad news, the canadian soldier who was shot at the war memorial in ottawa has died. >> the soldier is identified as corporal nathan cerillo, a reservist from hamilton, ontario. later this afternoon, more bad news, ottawa's spokesperson confirms to cnn they are still looking for additional suspects. the last thing those in ottawa needed to hear after such a terrifying day. randi kaye, cnn, new york. terrifying day indeed and

again, canadian officials have identified some one they say is the killer, michael zehaf-bibeau , before he converted to islam he went by the name, michael joseph hall. susan candiotti has more. >> he converted to islam. born in canada in 1982. he had a history of drug problems in fact series of drug arrests date back years and reportedly petty crimes, for drug use, robbery, uttering threats against someone. not clear whether he did any jail time. and the picture becomes less clear. >> do we know when he converted? >> he intended to travel overseas at one point. telling people he wanted to fight overseas. but his passport was seized. travel was restricted.

authorities went let him go. how recently that was we are not sure. still looking into that as well. clearly authorities wear ware of this gift. if they knew enough off to take his passport. they were clearly monitoring him. we don't know how closely. >> exactly. so many questions that are out there again as well, you know, why he wanted to, intend to travel overseas. there was talk that perhaps he wanted to study, take on religious studies and the like. but of course the overriding issue is, was he actin aing alo? did he have any help? >> did anybody make connection between him and the other man, a reecen recent convert to islam killed a soldier two days ago, and injured another soldier hitting him with his vehicle. >> they are looking at. to see if there is a connection. appreciate the update. well are trying to learn as much as we can about this man.

the war memorial behind me. in the other direction, couple hundred yard away, parliament hill. slowly learning more and more information about this man who was killed on the scene. susan said we don't know if there was any connection between him, and the other man, convert to islam who was killed two days ago, after running over, a police officer, xh cuexcuse me, hitting a soldier, killing one, wounding another. he was shot dead by police on the scene. the area around here. slowly the lockdown has started to be lifted. there are still buildings according to police. and law enforcement authorities being searched. not a complete lifting at this point. obviously they're continuing to search. and, and, again we are trying to learn as much as we can.

i want to bring in an eyewitness. peter henderson. thank you for joining us. when did you realize something had gone wrong? >> anderson, i was coming into work this morning. just hooked up my bike when i, heard four shots ring out behind me. i turned back to the war memorial. >> you were close to the war memorial? >> just 30 feet away. when i turned back, i saw that, there was almost nobody there except i did see one member of the ceremonial honor guard jumping over a hedge. what i thought was taking cover. >> that was the man taking cover. there were two, two soldiers there. one took cover the other was shot. >> later i realized that. at first i thought it was just some one taking cover. but, it was shocking. at first. >> did you know it was gunfire? thought that sound look gunfire to me. then i circled in my head.

constructionai car. so unlikely to hear something like that here in ottawa. >> you didn't see the soldier wounded at that point? >> no. i didn't. as i got closer, i had my phone out just in case i needed to call 911. let people know via social media. >> you approached? >> yeah, it's at that point that i saw the, the fallen soldier. and begin to get closer and see, what i could do to help. >> were other people responding to him at that point? >> yes, as i was walking up, i saw a member of canadian forces some other civilians, bystanders come up. and beginning, doing cpr on the man. so i decided that, i heard some one call 911. i thought i would get to social media. i just tweet this out. let people know there was an active shooter. >> at that point had you seen the shooter at all? >> no, i begin to speak with bystanders all of while, i gave me similar ideas of who the

shooter was and how he, headed in the direction of parliament. >> people there had seen him and were telling you about him? >> yeah. >> did they describe what he looked like? >> all sort of gave general, vague things. i think everybody was in some pretty serious shock at that point. but, they all said he was a man, you know, had his face covered, had long hair, hoody, had come around, and just shot one of the soldiers at pretty close range. and they, for no apparent reason. i was close enough that, if the man had shouted something, if he had, if there had been a, confrontation i would have heard it. i didn't hear anything. >> it's one thing to read about this see it on television. to have been there, how are you holding up? >> well, it's been tough. you know, ottawa is a sleepy city. and canada is a sleepy country when it come to that. just trying to, you know, get the story out. and, talk to people, and, and follow this as the it goes. and get whatever information i can out to people. that really helped me. i think, you know the whole city is in shock tonight. and it's going to take a while

for us, to really heal. >> does something here change because of this? or do you think it will be, something that people remember and think about and prap for y e family of the man who was lost but not fundamentally change. >> such a symbolic gesture, an attack on the war memorial in canada's capital. you can't help imagine there will be changes to security, you know there were question as but the response today, obviously, there were questions about, the approach to monitoring the man in the weeks leading up. so, hopefully, from what i have seen today, just on social media and from some official statements, we hope that that change is for the better. that we can safe guard our security and our civil liberties at the same time. >> peter, thank you very much. to run toward when people would have run from. >> thank you, anderson. >> thank you. watch 360 when you like.

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>> now, now, now! go! >> the sense of terror thankfully is over in ottawa. the sense that things may no longer be the same here. that may remany fin for a while. the second lone wolf style attack in days. tonight the prime minister spoke to the nation. >> this week's events are a grim reminder that canada is not immune to the types of terrorist attacks we have seen elsewhere around the world. we are also reminded that

attacks on our security personnel and on our institutions of governance are by their very nature attacks on our country, on our values on our society on us canadians as a free, democrating people who embrace human dignity for all. let there be no misunderstanding we will not be intimidated. >> canada's prime minister spoke to president obama after the attacks. the president had this to say about what happened here today. >> i had a chance to travel to the parliament in ottawa, i am very familiar with that area, and am reminded of how warmly i was received and, how wonderful the people there were. and so, shaken by it. we are going to do everything that we can that we are standing side by side with canada during this difficult time. >> joining me a member of

parliament. thank you for being with us on this difficult day. you just entered the parliament building i understand. did you hear the shots? >> yes, i did. i was literally taking off my coat. going the caucus room. hear this boom, boom, boom. and, you don't really know what it is. i actually thought it was construction. and then the security people came rushing down the halls, ushered us out the back door. >> what is your main message? what concerns you, the loss of life of the soldier, wounding of the security personnel in the parliament, in terms of the big picture? >> the big picture is i fear for the loss of our democratic freedoms. i hold it almost sacred that citizens should be able to access the legislators and legislators should be able to access their citizens on a relatively unimpeded basis. and events like today will necessarily create barriers between citizens and legislators. i don't think that's good for a

democracy. and i think our -- our response needs to be wise. needs how to be thoughtful. need to be powerful. needs to be effective. need to be transparent. >> you are afraid of a response out of anger or fear or -- >> paranoia, whatever. drawing conclusions where, you haven't got the facts quite straight. and, that, that does make me can sern -- concerned. >> how concerned are you about the threat of radical islam? of people self radicalizing or people watching videos online and, and wanting to go fight or, or bring the battle here? >> a very serious concern. it is my intention when, when things settle down a bit to meet with the amams and leadership

and get into die leg halogue ho happens. we take considerable pride in this country that we have mixed pretty well every racial, ethnic, religious group known to man kind with some considerable success. and i would hate to see that be lost. and so, i think it is my role as a legislator to try to bring people together and, and, deal with what are arguably elements within our society that no democratic society can tolerate. >> appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> there is a lot to talk about throughout this hour on this difficult day here in ottawa. a shrt tiort time ago i spoke w ottawa's mayor jim watson. to have an attack, a soldier killed at that memorial, it really strikes at the heart of the city of this country. >> it does. then to have that suspect

allegedly go up to parliament hill and if he hadn't been shot by i believe our sergeant at arms there could have been an even greater tragedy in our city. so a very sad time for the family obviously of the soldier, a young gentleman who wanted to serve his country. a relatively new program where we have honor guards, guarding the tomb of the unknown soldier up the street from the parliament hill. >> how concerned are you about people who have been radicalized in canada and i mean we know this man any passport was, taken away by canadian authorities as the man two days ago who killed a soldier with a vehicle his passport was also taken away. how big a problem do you believe there is in the city? >> for too many years we thought of ourselves as immune from some of the international global terrorism. obviously, situation like this, we had another soldier killed two days ago in the province of quebec. it is worrisome. at the same time we don't want

to turn parliament hill into a fortress. we pride ourselves on having a very open, accessible, approachable government. and democratic setting. but at the same time, these kind of incidents are going to happen the we have to be prepared for them. >> there had been calls, i think it was two, may actually, 2010, to have -- all of the security forces, multiple different agencies. guarding parliament to. have them unified. is that more likely to happen? >> certainly going to move in the direction. senate security force. house of commons. the rcmp. police patrol the grounds. outside of the grounds. ottawa police. i think our first responders, police and paramedics did an excellent job. don't think there were jurisdictional turf wars. a lot of questions asked when some one with a rifle of some sort could get into the parliament building in the first place. >> what is your message to citizens in the city about the concerns about radicalization.

obviously topping of much discussion. >> it will be. we have to put it in context. wait until we see all the results of the police investigation first and foremost. mostly, pray for the family of the soldier that was killed. that should be firsten our thoughts. secondly, just find a little bit more xkt lyexactly what happene. how are young people indoctrinated and lured into the lifestyle. we look americans have a very good quality of life. a lot of opportunity for people. new canadians come to our shores. and, you know what is driving people to go towards this kind of evil that would go and shoot an unarmed soldier guarding the tomb of the unknown soldier in our capital city. very, very sad tragic day for our city and country. >> it is. mr. mayor. appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> and the mayor of ottawa. as always find out more on the story and others cnn.com. ahead, a breaking story we are following. the scare at the white house,

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>> welcome back. here in ottawa, the question officials have not been able to answer was, was today's deadly attack directly connected to isis or some other radical organization. we don't know. what about the attack earlier in quebec, where a radicalized man mowed down two soldiers with his car killing one of them. and jim sciutto joins us on that. gyp, how much do we really know about any connections either between the two people if there were any or to either of them in any kind of group? >> they don't know for sure. they have indicators. one he was a convert to islam. two the target was a soldier. typical target look at take earlier end week with the car. and three, there had been threes previous ataktackattacks. chatter. call to arms in canada as there has been in the u.s. from isis but also other groups. al qaeda and others have

encouraged young men to carry out jihad on their home soil. an indicator. today's attack, no hard tie. the attack earlier the week, authorities were awear it man who drove his car into the soldier earlier this week was a consumer of isis propaganda. not in touch with the group. but inspired by that group. >> and at this point, it is possible that -- there was no direct connection between either of the guys. that we don't know if they knew each other at all. it is possible that the man today may have just seen what the guy did two days ago and decided, i am going to act in a similar fashion? >> it is. he could have been inspired by that. he could have separately been inspired by isis or al qaeda propaganda encouraging people to carry out jihad at home. this is, this is a concern, not just north of the border. very much south of the border as well. interviewed the former director of the national counterterrorism center yesterday.

matthew olsen. he said to me in his view, at take most likely to occur in the u.s. homeland is not something coming from, aqap or other groups. a lone wolf, self radicalized at home. one of the reasons for that, andersen. they're hard tire track. no border crossing for them to go through. with the passport on the list. they're already here. no phone call to be intercepted between them and operative in pakistan or syria because they're here and could have seen something on the internet and been inspired to carry out violence. >> what's frustrating for law enforcement officials, something they're looking at. clearly both the guys were on rate dar the radar of law enforcement. took away their passports. they weren't able to hold them on charges until they killed people they hadn't apparently done anything wrong that law enforcement could arrest them for. jim sciutto.

follow this throughout the night. bob, former cia officer. the former u.s. assistant secretary for homeland security. bob, if this was in fact a lone wolf attack. what does it say about how canada and for that matter the united states can better guard against this particular kind of threat. because, it is relatively easy for somebody to get a weapon and sxh commit this act. you can't have security everywhere nor would any body want that level of security. >> exactly. anderson. all of the buildings, whether washington, d.c., ottawa, paris, london, are vulnerable. to an isis like attack. where they use a suicide bomber to knock the door down and get inside. the changes we wd haould have t make to pro ttect our buildings. the ability of the police and fbi to track people down. as you said they haven't commit aid crime. they're self recruited. the weapons are ease lily

available. make this stuff off internet formulas. do an attack. we are entirely vulnerable. there is not much we can dupe about it. and especially. threats from lone wolves. >> it is, to the point, a lot of countries are in. canada seized the guy's passport. seized the passport of the guy monday. couldn't travel. meant he was in canada to wage tod today's attack. >> that's the sort of cat-and-mouse aspects of counterterrorism efforts right now. with the lone wolves. i some times say a little bit like whack-a-mole, emerging men, mostly men, become self radicalized. identify with isis not clear how strong their ties are to isis. sometimes you will get them. but thaall they need to do is b successful once. saw today. this is very likely. as we saw monday.

so you have two incidences happening back to back. all most impossible to detect in a democracy. some of the best efforts engagement with communities, diverse communities in ottawa, what the mayor was talking about. never going to be perfect in open soap sigh tciety. we need to brace ourselves for that. >> never going to be perfect, bob. and also, i mean there is no necessarily, end in sight to the potential threat. i mean whether it is, al qaeda before this. or -- you know, al qaeda central, al qaeda arabian peninsula, now isis, and once, they're destroyed, there will very easily be yet another group out there. >> exactly. anderson, we got rid of bin laden, 2011. but isis is -- you know, al qaeda 2.0. it will change between now and the next five years. a new threat. new leadership. we can't take them out with drones. as long as there is conflict in

the middle east. and as long as we are engaged in the conflict. whether we are on the side of the right side. it will come back home. if canada had joined our efforts. and this month. and syria, and iraq, and i think that is probably why they got hit. whatever these people have self recruited or sent. they are reacting to the can flikt -- conflict in the middle east. if it gets worse, we are likely to get hit here. >> you and i worked in boston together. in the whaake of the boston bombings. that city was locked down quite a while. what do you make of how long the lockdown was in ottawa, and the specific location was not disclosed when he made his address tonight. >> i tend to defer to intelligence agency that are protecting the prime minister or president had to make a judgment call it wasn't secure. i was surprised how long the lockdown took place.

suggests, we saw with boston that narrative will change and the story line will change. we have gone from maybe two, three, to possibly only one. reserving judgment on the facts as well. but it was a long lockdown because they probably simply had too much information coming in a but different gun fights going on. when we look back at it a week from or two from now it is probably that that was police fire. firing back to one assailant. but we just simply don't know right now. just to protect, essentially, congress. in canada. it was a long time. but probably worth it at this stage. and the one question i have, why was this guy on the, intelligence list, why did they keep his passport? if we are going to learn anything from this. i guess that is the goal in then. we will never stop it totally. why was -- what information led them to take the passport or stop him from traveling what can we learn from that. what can canada learn from that?

to determine what pool of people might be the most, largest threat to us. >> yeah, good point. good point. thank you. appreciate it. we have more now on thankfully nonlethal incident back in washington that nonetheless raised some concerns. yet another person jumped the white house fence. jim accosta joins us now. secret service have identified this person. what do we know? he is dominique adesanya, from outside washington, d.c. adesanya climbed the fence. running the north lawn of the white house, 7:15 this evening. the secret service released canine dogs on the man. he tried to fight them off. he was quickly subdued by secret service officers. this all went down in a matter of second. adesanya we are told was unarmed. bitten several times i am told. so he was taken to the hospital. the charges are pending. as for the dogs, anderson. they were take tin to a vet for

injuries in the fight. all this happened while the president, we should note, was at the white house this evening. never in any danger. situation there back to normal. did they release details, why he would do this, some crazy nut? do we know why? >> we don't know at this point. i think we will find out over the next couple days. sure he will make a court appearance. we'll find out more from the officers at time that happened previously with the other fence jumper incident. the officers with the secret service provided affidavit that detailed what that person said during that incident. so we may get the same thing again. important to note, andersen. the jumper tonight made it 15, 20 yard inside of the white house fence. soap not very far compared to the person a month ago who got inside the white house an was in there some time before he was subdued. but we should mention that this person was able to, this person was able to get past two

sections of fencing. there is a temporary fencing that has been set up, installed after last month's fence jumper. and plus the regular wrought iron fencing that surround the white house. the secret service may have to look at the fencing around the white house and whether it is sufficient to keep intruders out. >> jim. appreciate the update. jim, thank you. next, tense moments inside parliament. the moment of the shooting captured on video. the latest on what we know now happened inside that building. coming up. [ multiple gunfire ] ♪

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we spent a lot of time on the alleged gunman tonight obviously because there is still a lot authorities are trying to investigate on him and understand about him, his motivation. poe fen shatential ties to extr additional threats. we want to focus on the man who was kld illed today, fallen soldier, corporal nathan cerillo, hope you will remember the name. described as a big-hearted, happy soul, in adiagnosis to military reservist, also a

personal training, commanding officer for his unit in hamilton, ontario, talked briefly about the loss they're all feeling. >> the ridge meaaw >> sincere count dole ens cond corporal cerillo and thanks to canadians across the country. corporal cerillo was a member of the highlanders of canada. our thoughts and prayers are with his family. >> as are our thoughts and prayers as well. cnn's paula newton in hong kong now, based in ottawa, knows the area, her husband a diplomat, in lockdown after the shooting today. paula, for people who aren't from here, it's hard to underestimate what a shock this is to this city. i know you know the area very well. what is security like at parliament hill? because i understand it is a number of different security

forces which actually oversee security there? >> yeah, one of the things that will be on the table for them to look at. look, anderson always going to have to be a compromise. they said, the mayor told you it wasn't going to be a fortress. by blocking access to cars they thought they had it covered. metal detectors they're not at the door where the suspect burst through. you can get through there without having to go through metal detectors. obviously that is a key thing. the other thing is the perimeter. they can in some way, shape, form set up a perimeter. you see the huge green patch in front of parliament hill, i played with my kids on the lawn, had them there as babies. these are canadian values in terms of being open and free on the lawn they will i'm sure still try and find a compromise to try to have a secure parliament, but still be, have people free to enjoy it. i can tell you they say that they will be back in the house of commons in that building 10:00 a.m. tomorrow morning to start the government business of

the day. >> a show of strength and resilience no doubt about that. how easy would it have been for this gunman to access the prime minister? i understand, you know because there was, this caucusing going on could have been much worse. could have been much greater fatalities had this guy gotten further in? >> absolutely. that's what rattled me. i have been down the corridor hundreds of times. the corridor he went down on the left would have been the prime minister with his caucus. probably missed him by 15, 20 minutes. the thing is that you would like to think in terms of what happened somebody would have gotten to him in the meantime. just to be down the corridor where all canadian politicians were, where the prime minister was due to be in just a few minutes. one of the things in the investigation we'll see if that was preplanned or in fact it was just an awful coincidence for that very day. >> all right. paula newton. appreciate it. glad your husband is, is good.

we are joined now, with new information, and, what are you hearing? >> according to one of our sources it turns out the suspect in the shooting had traveled to the united states at least four times including most recently anderson in 2013. and also, that he had yet another addition, last name hall, this is michael zehaf-bibeau . yet another alias. we are hearing from the "globe and mail" a friend reports seeing him a few weeks ago at a mosque in vancouver and that the suspect told this friend he had wanted to travel overseas to study islam. we are still working on that angle as well. more information trickling in. >> we don't know when his passport was take any way? >> still working on that. don't know that yet. >> appreciate the update. a lot more ahead. we will take a short break. when we come back we will talk to some one who shot remarkable

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a reporter for a canada newspaper, "globe & mail" inside parliament all day and much of the evening. he jones us. thank you. when do you get out? >> moments ago. we were in a lockdown for 12 hours. and then, afterwards, i was deemed a witness, so i had to go tell police, more or less, to read the "globe & mail" tomorrow. where we are right now. >> explain, when you first realized something had gone terribly wrong? >> i was sitting in an alcove. it is a very common thing to be there on the wednesday morning, the mps gather for their weekly caucus meeting. and, that's why we were there, and, i was writing. i had my ear phone in. i heard the first bang. i thought was a bookshelf falling. took out my headphones. very clear it wasn't. we peer around the corner, peered around the corner, you could see smoke in the air, you could smell gunpowder quickly.

you saw -- guards with their guns drawn. and they were bracing against pillars. it looked like more of a hunt than a chase. i don't think they knew where the guy was. and that, so i came down the hallway. as we rounded the corner, that's where the video, and, a lot of people have seen. picks up. you saw there, a lot of the guards rung up what is called hallway of honor. sort of the center spine of parliament down the middle. and it goes towards the library. and, and that's, that's where they moved. and resulted in the second round of gunfire, the one on video. >> in the hallway, the gunfire? >> yeah, in a center hallway. >> did you actually see shots being exchanged? >> yeah, yeah. the video, we see, must have been, two dozen or so, it was a blur. you see almost all of the shots. all of them would come from guard rather than from a shooter. a lot of them had pistols drawn. they were flanking down the h l

hallw hallway. looked like the guy popped out. and they fired a lot. tremendous bullets fired. >> let me play for viewers. let me play with the aweudio so people can hear the exchange. [ gunfire ] >> did you take your camera out right away and start recording? >> yeah, my blackberry, actually. >> i used to have a blackberry. >> canadian, we had the blackberry rolling. a few clips we shot. that was the second one. obviously, the, the thing where most relevant information happened. as you saw, it must have been, it was funny. i saw it only for the first time a few hours ago. felt like i was watching it for

the first time. when you are up in front it blurs together. so when you watch it first time. sort of got a suvensense of wha was like. >> how closer was the prime minist minister? >> as you see them moving up the hallway. there is a door. brown box. in the door was the prime minister. they're caucusing right there. on the other side was the ndp, the official opposition party. there would have been upward of 300 mps and senators in either door. both doors. doesn't look like they went in there. but it was very close. whether planned or not this was a time that would have maximized the number of isnsenators and m in the building. >> had the gunman been able to penetrate deeper into the building he could have very easily got into the mps, into the prime minister. >> speaking to mps, quite chaotic. some of them are older. some of them have mobility, use. they weren't able to flee, they heard gunshots and fled like the

rest of everyone. as i understand it protocol was to lockdown their room. judging by the fact that a lot of them fled out of the room. doesn't seem like that happened. yeah, i think a lot of the conversation going forward will be about security. this kicked off in, the rotunda. the big open area walk into parliament. any tourists been to parliament know what i am talking about. a door. normal door. couple guard on it. and mp staff. journalists in the press gallery walk in and out. no metal detectors nothing. given it started there. it suggests, eyewitness account suggests he came in that way. yeah, i think we are going to see robust review of how things are done. surreal day here. things won't be quite the same in parliament for quite some time. >> glad you are safe. and that you had the presence of mind to, to press that record button. thank you so much. >> my pleasure. >> give my best to your family. >> a lot more to cover ahead. when we come back we will talk

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welcome back. we are live in ottawa. want to show you a picture that we just got. it was taken inside parliament, told, shortly after the shooting began. it is actually of a barricade being set up inside parliament. in a room, obviously, when, when legislators inside that room were not exactly sure what was going on. they were barricading themselves in as best as possible. tonight, sergeant at arms kevin vickers is being called a hero. several parliament members say vickers is the one who shot the attacker, shooting the gunman

before he could do any more harm. vickers, 29 veteran of the canadian mounted police, director of at the house of commons before appointed sergeant of arms. i spoke with his brother, john vickers, earlier tonight. john, thank you so much for being with us. i understand you first heard that your brother shot and killed this gunman while, while watching television this morning. what was your reaction? >> well, you know, from a family perspective, just a lot of concern to hear the gunfire. and then hear my brother's name mentioned over and over again. certainly it was just real concern about his well-being and as the day progressed it was, an extraordinary relief to know that he was okay. and -- and at the same time very, very proud of what he had to do today. >> that is the brother of the man being hailed as a hero, the sergeant at arms tonight. it has been quite a day here in

ottawa. we will be here again tomorrow night. reporting on all of the latest developments what we know about those, the soldier whose life was lost, try to learn as much as we can about him and honor his sacrifice and the shooter to learn about links he may have had or acting on his own. cnn, of coverage continue here's live now on cnn, cnn international. >> thanks so much, anderson. hello and welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. i'm rosemary church. >> and i'm errol barnett. in canada, a gunman open fires. we get new details on the suspected shooter, the soldier who was his lone victim and the police officer rightly being hailed as a hero. >> plus, new