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we're glad you're okay. i want to thank dave cullen. that's it for "the lead." i'm jake tapper. i turn you over now to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." happening now, breaking news, deadly school shooting. fear and chaos at a high school near seattle as a gunman opens fire, sending hundreds fleeing. there are casualties. we have the latest details. ebola in new york city, a doctor is in isolation after testing positive for the deadly virus. his frein seay and friends under quarantine. urgent efforts under way to trace other contacts. hatchet terror attack, a man swinging a blade wounds two police officers before he's shot dead. why police say it was the act of a self-radicalized extremist. remains identified. the remains found in rural virginia are in fact those of the missing student, hannah graham. i'm wolf blitzer.
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you're in "the situation room." we're following multiple breaking stories this hour. hundreds of students running in fear from a school under siege. this time in marysville, washington, state. north of seattle, a shooter opening fire in a high school cafeteria, killing one person and wounding others before turning the gun on himself. we have new information coming in to "the situation room" right now. we're following the ebola scare in america's biggest city. a doctor is now in isolation in a new york city hospital. his fiancee and two friends are quarantined. and a medical s.w.a.t. team is deployed amid urgent efforts to track down his possible contacts. our correspondents and analysts, newsmakers are standing by with full coverage. let's begin with the latest on the school shooting. cnn's tom foreman is standing by with that. >> we're piecing together all this information as well as we can at this hour, what happened at the school.
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here's what we know about the alleged gunman. jaylen fryberg was a freshman, a football player and part of the homecoming court. he was a native american. classmates say he was into hunting. he was friendly and he was popular. and this is what we know at this point about the time line of what happened. shortly after 10:30 a.m., as students gathered in the cafeteria for lunch, one witness says a young man rose from a table, pulled a small pistol from his pocket and began firing. >> i saw three kids just fall from the table like they were falling to the ground dead. i jumped under the table as fast as i could. and when it stopped, i looked back up and i saw he was trying to reload his gun. and when that happened, i just ran the opposite direction. and i was out of there as fast as i could. >> reporter: that witness said he knew the young man and he looked calm, with a blank stare throughout.
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students scattered. many in the rest of the building say they thought a fire drill was under way and many ran outside. in the hallways, teachers started herding others into classrooms and ordered lockdown. someone inside placed a 911 call. by 10:40, people were swarming the building, going room to room, placing tape over the doors they had secured so they'd know they'd already been checked. in that process, they discovered the alleged gunman. by noon, officially saying he was dead, apparently having shot himself. officials appear confident that there was only one gunman. but at this hour, they continue going through this school room by room by room checking to make sure that everyone is accounted for and experience tells us that that process will go on for many hours before they're confident that everyone is out and everyone is secured. >> that's simply out of a matter of being overly cautious. >> what they have to do.
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this is a large school by the standards of any city in this country. there are a lot of rooms. a lot of area on the campus. they have to look for evidence, for people who may still be hiding. that's been known to happen for hours because people are terrified by this. and to see if anybody else might have been hurt somewhere that they're unaware of. >> tom, thanks very much. we're also getting more information on the deadly school shooting. let's bring in evan perez. what are you learning? >> reporter: we know the authorities are trying to trace the handgun that was covered at the scene. that was believed to be used by the shooter. it's a .40 caliber beretta handgun. and the atf is trying to do a trace to determine where he got it from. this is an area where a lot of people have guns. it's not clear whether he had to go anywhere other than his own home to get this firearm. but we know from witnesses he just came into this cafeteria and sat there for a little while and then started shooting. some of them his own friends,
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wolf. >> and i take it this is a situation where fbi, federal officials, they are being brought in for assistance in dealing with this kind of a crime? >> that's right. they have a lot of experience on these types of shootings. the fbi is there to try to help with some of the behavioral analysis, to try to look at some of the social media mopostings this young man. from some of the postings, it seems he was very upset in the last few weeks, perhaps about his girlfriend. he seemed to be upset with some of his own friends. something appeared to be triggering this. perhaps was building for some weeks and that's something the fbi will definitely be focusing on to try to see if there's anything they can learn to try to prevent these types of things from happening again. >> which is also smart. thanks, evan. joining us on the phone is sergeant ryan dalberg, a spokesman for the everett, washington, police. sergeant, thanks for joining us. let's review some of the facts as we know them right now.
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i know maybe this is still a fluid situation. first of all, how many people were shot? >> i'm sorry. you cut out on me there, wolf. >> how many people were shot? >> we can confirm six injured, two of those being deceased and the other four injured. >> one of the deceased being the shooter himself? >> correct. >> and we have confirmed this is a freshman, jaylen fryberg, is that right? >> i don't have official confirmation on the shooter's identity. that's coming through social media. >> do we know if all of those who were shot, one student shot allegedly by fryberg and killed, four others and injured. they were all students, right? >> i don't know. i can't confirm whether a teacher was shot or not. i don't know. >> do you know if they were shot at random or was this a deliberate -- were they targeted?
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>> i don't know if anybody was specifically targeted or if it was random. we're still trying to piece all those details together. >> what can you tell us, without mentioning his name, since you obviously don't want to mention his name, because we're getting all sorts of information about the shooter, homecoming king, if you will, active on the football team, a native american. can you tell us anything about him, about a possible motive, for example? >> no, unfortunately right now, i do not know a motive. we're trying to piece that together. he is an active student or was an active student at the marysville-pilchuck high school. and at this point, we're still searching for a motive ourselves. >> you can confirm that the shooter put to gun to his head and killed himself? >> i cannot confirm that i don't know. >> you don't know. is it possible somebody else killed him? is that what you're saying? >> i don't know, sir. i have not received any of those
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type of details one way or the other. >> we're getting some pictures in from the school. police still going in there. is there a search possibly for someone else? >> yes. basically a back search is our standard procedure. our initial teams will go in and if there is a threat, they'll address that threat. and once that's taken care of, then they'll move to escorting any injured people out of the building. once that's completed, we're going to -- our teams will go back slow and methodical and do a very, very thorough and careful search just to make sure the building is safe. >> and to make sure that no one out of fear is still hiding there in a closet or in a room xlais somepla someplace, right? >> that's correct, sir. >> this is being done out of an abundance of caution, add they say? >> correct. >> there's no hard evidence that
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there may be someone at large, another shooter or suspect at large, right? >> that's correct. we take all precautions we can to make sure everyone is safe. >> let me get back to the motive for a second. i assume you're going through social media, the comments by this alleged shooter. can you share anything with us on that? >> what i can share is that our county mutual investigative team is on board. they've been called in. that's a team of special investigators that will be conducting those types of inquiries. and it's a team that all agencies in this area put together or contribute to and they have specialized training in homicide and serious event investigations. >> we're told by sources that federal law enforcement is now tracing a beretta .40 caliber handgun. is that the weapon that was used? >> i don't have any information on what type of firearm was used in this incident.
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i'm sorry. >> and you have no idea where the shooter got the gun? >> none at all. sorry. >> is there anything else you can share with our viewers, sergeant dalberg? >> not at this point. anyone commander lamoureux is going to bring an additional press conference probably in about 20 minutes. and hopefully he'll be able to add a little more. he was just up at the scene about 20 minutes or so ago. he'll be addressing the media at about 1:30 our time. >> 2:30 your time. that would be 5:30 here on the east coast in about 20 minutes from now. >> yes. >> sergeant ryan dalberg, we'll stay in close contact with you. we'll cover the news conference with the police chief at the bottom of the hour. tom fuentes is here with us, our cnn law enforcement analyst. what do you make of what's going on right now? >> it's another one of these mysteries, really, what was going on in his head to make him
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decide to go to that school -- these types of issues in somebody's brain usually brew for a while. and each thing they think they were wronged or disrespected adds another on top of another and finally they decide to take action. obviously he planned this, he brought the weapon hidden in a backpack to school. walked around the school all day and from what earlier witnesses said, it sounded like at the cafeteria, he went specifically to the people that he initially shot, went up to them from behind, shot each of them in the back or the back of the head as if he had been stalking them. and they were identified as friends of his. so we don't know what he was thinking or why or what kind of delusion he had as far as what people thought of him or what they were doing to him to cause him to believe that he had to take this action against them. >> based on these initial, i repeat initial, eyewitness accounts, because this could change, he didn't just randomly start shooting at some people, he deliberately targeted individuals.
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>> yeah, this is from someone who knew him, said he knew these individuals were friends of his. he knew them to be close to him. and it appeared to him when he came into that cafeteria, he went to the victims, picked them out and shot them, that it wasn't just that he was wildly shooting at anybody that went by. >> very weird story because normally in a situation like this, the shooter is disgrunt d disgruntled, angry, no friends, loan loner. in this particular case, this individual is described as popular, football player, homecoming king, freshman and all of a sudden this happens. we're going to get more information. stand by, tom. we'll hear from a witness, an account of the deadly school shooting north of seattle, washington. also speak with the washington congressman, jim mcdermott. plus, the ebola scare in new york city. a doctor is now in isolation after testing positive. his fiancee and two friends are in quarantine. authorities are scrambling to locate others he may have contacted. (woman) the constipation and belly pain
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we're following the breaking news, a deadly school shooting just north of seattle, washington. law enforcement officials telling cnn, a gunman opened fire at the marysville-pilchuck high school shooting five people before turning the gun on himself. we're told the gunman and one of the people he shot are dead. three of the injured students have head wounds and a fourth was shot in the jaw. fellow students, including witnesses, identify the gunman as jaylen fryberg, a freshman and native american. moments ago, a student who was in the cafeteria when the shooting started described what he saw. >> it was just a big group of kids. the whole table was filled up.
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big round table right next to the door from the cafeteria. i was sitting at the table right next to the round table. and i was just eating my food. i'd just got done eating my food. he was quiet. he was just sitting there. everyone was talking. all of a sudden i see him stand up, pull something out of his pocket. at first, i thought somebody was making a loud noise with a bag until i heard a loud pop. i heard four more after that and i saw three kids fall from the table, like they were falling to the ground dead. >> the student says he managed to run out of the cafeteria when the gunman stopped to either reload or that gun jammed. joining us in "the situation room," congressman jim mcdermott of washington state. congressman, what are your folks there telling you about what happened at that high school? >> i'm really only privileged to know what's coming on the official media.
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i don't have any information from law enforcement people or the fbi or anybody else. i know what you know. >> tell us about this area. you know the area well. tell us about the high school, what kind of people live in that area. >> it's not a stereotypical place you'd think something like this might happen. this is an urban, rural area, lower middle class, middle class people living out there. it is not an area with lots of urban violence that you might be accustomed to in other places. it's surprising and this youngster does not fit the stereotype. he seemed to be someone who was popular, got along well, was doing well in school, well in athletics and so forth. so obviously tles a whole story
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we don't yet know. you have to feel sorry for not only his family and the family of the children who were injured. but the situation is hard for anybody to get their head around because you would never think it would happen at marysville-pilchuck school. you would think in chicago or someplace like that. but not out here. >> a lot of schools nowadays, an increasing number, congressman, have metal detectors when the kids, the teachers, they go into those schools. do you know if this high school has metal detectors at the door? >> i only can guess. and my guess would be they do not. it's just simply not a place where people's minds are tuned to that as a real threat to their daily existence. everybody thinks that kind of thing is going to happen somewhere else. and this certainly would have been one of those places where
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you people that move out from seattle and say, i want to get out of the inner city, i want to get out of the tumult of living in urban life, it's going to be quiet out here. and that's really the nature of the area this occurred in. that's what makes it kind of hard to -- makes it very hard to understand. >> as you could imagine, i'm sure this is going to revive the debate in the united states about the availability of guns. what's the situation over there in washington state where you are? how easy is it to get guns nowadays, especially if you're a 17 yea 17-year-old kid? >> you're bringing up a very interesting thing. we have actually on the ballot, a state initiative to require background checks at gun fairs and the loophole that presently exists in the xwun law. most people in the state of washington have given up on the congress ever doing anything about it. i was there in 2002 when we had the assault weapon ban that
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occurred on a -- a school shooting that occurred on a schoolyard in california. there's lots of guns. and people don't feel like there's any interest in the congress to do anything about restricting or requiring gun locks. we've had some proposals made in the state legislature. but they've never been able to get the votes. the nra controls this area as well as they do the congress. >> congressman, our deepest condolences to everybody out there near seattle and washington state. horrific, horrific situation unfolding there. congressman jim mcdermott, democrat from washington state. thanks very much for joining us. we've got an eyewitness to what happened, a freshman at the high school is joining us. rachel, where were you when this was all going down? >> i was about 60 feet away from
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the table he was sitting at. >> and if it's not too painful, tell us what you saw. >> well, i was sitting at lunch. i was eating my lunch. and i heard this big bang. and i thought possibly it was a bag that blew up or a balloon. so i turned back around and minded my own business. and then i heard it about another four times. and i turn around and i saw him standing there. i saw the gun in his hand and everyone just ran. so i just ran with everyone and that's all i saw. i didn't really see much. >> did you know this was jaylen fryberg? >> yeah, when i saw him, i was like, oh, my gosh, that's jaylen. i would have never expected it would have been him out of all people. it was really heartbreaking for me to see that. i saw him with a gun in his hand shooting. >> did he say anything? did you hear him say anything at all? >> i didn't hear -- all i heard was people screaming, run, get
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out of here, let's go. i didn't hear his voice specifically, no. >> you knew him. so tell us a little bit about jaylen fryberg. >> jaylen fryberg was a really nice person. he was a person who was always -- he always liked pleasing people and he was a people person. he liked -- he really liked his friends. he was athletic, very athletic. he was just a really nice kid and all-around good person. >> this must be shocking. did it look like he was directly aiming at individuals, tashgtrgg young students or was he just shooting randomly? did you have a sense of that, rachel? >> i didn't specifically see, but it looked like he was pointing the gun in a certain direction. >> it did look like that? >> yes. >> and then he pointed the gun at himself and killed himself -- did you see that as well?
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>> no, i was outside by then. i didn't see any of that. >> without mentioning anybody's name because we're not ready to name any of the victims, did you know any of these kids who were either -- one of them we know was killed, the others were injured. >> yes, i did know them. >> and these were friends of his or acquaintances -- without mentioning any names, what were they like? >> they were friends of -- i believe they were friends of his, yes. i thought personally that they were good friends and good people just like him. they were all very nice people and people who you could always go and talk to. they were very open. >> we're told he was the homecoming king, is that right? >> yes, he was the freshman homecoming prince. >> homecoming prince. tell us what that means in your high school.
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>> that practically means that you're -- not really a representative. a leader of the freshman class, of your class and you're a good person with -- people like you. teachers liked you, your peers liked you. you're a person that everyone likes, a good person. >> so, rachel, you must be stunned by this, given his background, that he was well-liked, he was popular, he had a lot of friends and all of a sudden you're in the cafeteria, you're all having lunch and then all of a sudden he opens up fire and starts shooting at fellow students who you believe were friends of his. how are you doing, rachel? >> i'm doing all right. it's really hard to know that when a person who i knew of and i was friends with and that they would do this. it's heartbreaking. but it happened and it will just
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take time to -- yeah, take time. >> take time to heal. >> yeah, to heal. >> rachel, good luck to you and to all your friends, your family there. thank you very much for sharing your eyewitness account, rachel, freshman at this high school where a fellow freshman went out there in the cafeteria and started shooting at fellow students and eventually shot and killed himself. coming up, much more on the deadly school shooting just north of seattle. we'll bring you details as we get them. also, a new york city doctor in isolation after testing positive for ebola. his fiancee and friends are in quarantine. authorities scrambling to trace other possible contacts. stay with us. you're in "the situation room."
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following multiple breaking stories right now. standing by for a police news conference on the school shooting in seattle. but breaking news, police put on alert. four police have been rushed by a man wielding a hackett. i want to go to washington state, that news conference, the latest on what happened at this school going on right now.
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>> we're deeply saddened by the tragic events at marysville-pilchuck high school. there are no words to describe this type of tragedy. our priority is to stand with the families of those that were directly affected from this wells with the families and the students of everybody at marysville-pilchuck high school. who went through this tragic event today. i do want to thank several folks here. the executive director has been here since the start and representatives from the governor's office as well as senator cantwell, senator murray, congressman larsen's office as well. the sheriff has been on site since the beginning. we've received great partnership from the sheriff's office and from all sorts of surrounding communities that have offered their support. i also want to say that i've been in close contact throughout the morning and the afternoon with school superintendent becky berg who's asked me to read a statement.
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as well as the chairman and vice chairman of the tribes. we'll try to get you guys information as quickly as we can. i want to thank the marysville p.d. doing on outstanding job in taking the first priority, getting the kids out, and responding to what comes next. i would like to read from the school superintendent this message she asked me to send. she'll be here later. but right now, she's with the families and those involved. on the behalf of the marysville school district, staff and teachers, i want to extend my thoughts and prayers to the families involved in this tragedy. when something happens to one of our children, it happens to all of us. student safety is our top priority and we are working closely with local law enforcement in everything involved. that's from superintendent becky berg. thank you for that. we'll be continuing to update you as the day goes on. >> thank you.
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we will be coming back at 5:00 and having another update. that will be our next update. we'll have additional folks here to answer other questions or provide information. >> do you have a time line -- [ inaudible ] -- >> i'll have to put that together and get it to you at 5:00. i have not put together a time line. >> can you explain how the shooter died? >> [ inaudible question ]. >> we are not confirming any type of weapon that was used at this time. it's very early in the investigation. we want to make sure we do things right. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> don't have that. >> who was the female victim? >> i don't have that. >> can you explain how the shooter died? >> yeah, the shooter died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. >> to the? >> i don't know that. >> can you tell us the relationship between the shooter and the female victim? >> i do not know if there's a relationship. >> were all the victims shot in the cafeteria?
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>> i believe that is the case, yes. >> is the female victim a student? >> yes. >> can you walk through a narrative of what happened in the cafeteria, as far as your understanding? >> i don't have real specific details. so it wouldn't be a good idea for me to put those out there at this time. hopefully we'll have another command center review before the 5:00 and we'll see if we can get some of that information. >> what is happening right now at the scene? >> right now, the multiagency response team is on scene and they have taken over the scene and they are interviewing witnesses at this very time. approximately 30, students and staff. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> it is possible. we're not ready to do that right now. >> as far as what happened, can you say anything about the relationship between the students, what may have unfolded or is this a random act? >> i don't have that information. it's too early in the
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investigation to try and figure out what the relationship was. >> can you tell us what the student [ inaudible ] -- >> that's something i can find out for you at 5:00. there was a school resource officer that was assigned. he was on duty at the time. he is the one that put out the active shooter call that got things rolling. >> folks, we'll be back at 5:00. i appreciate it. we'll be back in just a little bit. >> there you have the latest from the mayor and the police chief there. not a whole lot of information. when they say 5:00. that's 5:00 pacific, 8:00 p.m. here on the east coast. that's the next time they'll brief the news media on what happened. tragic, sad story. a kid by all accounts, very popular. homecoming prince, member of the football team, had a lot of friends at the high school. goes into the cafeteria today with a handgun, we're told, a beretta .40 caliber handgun,
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goes in there and goes up against fellow friends we're told by eyewitnesses and shoots students, killing one, wounding four others. then he killed himself. jaylen fryberg, described as one who was pretty popular. this doesn't fit that normal pattern, normally loner kids, sad kids, kids who have been bullied. but in this particular case, just the opposite of all of that earlier kind of conjecture. much more on this very sad story coming. much more on all the day's other breaking news. stay with us. we'll be right back. an important message for americans eligible
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we're following multiple breaking stories today here in "the situation room." in new york city, police have been put on alert against what they describe as random acts after four police officers were rushed by a man swinging a hatchet. two of them were wounded, the other two shot and killed the attacker. authorities are now calling it an act of terror. >> it was a terrorist attack, certainly. >> key part of the ongoing investigation as the police commissioner stated clearly at this point, at this preliminary stage, very early in the investigation, every indicator points to that he was acting alone, self-radicalized, self-directed. >> let's get some more on what's going on, this new terror threat. we're joined by the former cia officer, valerie plame, author of the new book called "burn." there you see the book jacket right there. also joining us, our cnn law enforcement analyst, tom fuentes, and robert behr as
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well. we have the fbi, cia here -- it's happening, three incidents in the past few days, two in canada, one in new york, somebody apparently self-radicalized. what's going on here? >> i don't think it's a coincidence, all of these victims were in uniform. they were armed. they were victims that isis has defined as the enemy. and they're gone out and said, attack the west uniformed personnel. they may not be connected but isis is giving so many of its orders over the internet, by sermons and even in coded messages. we may not find cell phone connections or connections between these people. but they are carrying out orders of isis. it looks that way. >> because you know isis, they're pretty sophisticated with their video, their social media. and there have been statements that have gone out there, you don't have a gun, use an ax.
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you don't have an ax, use a car. >> and their propaganda is really slick. these are people that are somehow ideologically affiliated with what isis is putting out there. maybe they're not official matters but they're taking matters into their own hands. this is the worst sort of thing that we can look for, this is what we've been warned by senior u.s. officials, that lone wolf attack, because it is very hard to find, prevent, deter. >> even if there are no direct links, no direct contacts with a cell, a sophisticated terror operation, it looks like these individuals could either be inspired or copycats. >> right. and the victims they're choosing are the obvious representatives of our government, a soldier in uniform or a police officer in uniform. there's no better victim in their mind than somebody in uniform. >> how do you deal with this? >> i'm going to say something that's going to be unpopular. it's that isis has been reading snowden. >> isis has been reading what?
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>> snowden's paper, the leaks about the national security agency. they know to stay off phone, e-mail and the rest of it. they're commuting with mobile wi-fi. they can beat the national security agency. we are much worse off today than we were with al qaeda. using data analytics to identify these guys that haven't committed a crime, what do you do? >> bob, don't you think that terrorists were fully aware that u.s. intelligence was looking in every nook and cranny before whatever snowden put it out? >> i'm not sure all the metadata and algorithms -- in any case, isis is much more sophisticated than al qaeda. it's a lot harder job. what's the fbi going to do when some guy gets on a site and looks at these -- i look at the videos but i'm not guilty of anything. but you have to commit a crime
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for the fbi to do something. >> this is a very worrisome development. stand by. the story unfortunately is not going away. we're following multiple breaking stories. we have more details coming in to "the situation room" about today's deadly school shooting in washington state. also, ebola in new york, a doctor is in isolation after testing positive for the deadly virus. his fiancee and friends are under quarantine. there are urgent efforts under way to trace other contacts. more news right after this. you're driving along,
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we have breaking news. following new efforts under way to trace the contacts of a new york city doctor who has now tested positive for ebola. he's in isolation. his fiance and two friends, they are quarantined. now the governors of new york and new jersey, they're quarantining some travelers who are returning to the united
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states from africa. joining us now is dr. mary bassett. thank you very much for joining us. let me get some details. we just got information, the governors of new york and new jersey, they're issuing an announcement requiring what they call mandatory quarantines for at least some travelers returning from west african countries affected by ebola. those considered high risk in the first use of the policy, new jersey quarantined a female health care worker who cared for ebola patients in africa. the worker has no symptoms but the state has ordered her quarantined. explain what's going on here. >> well, this is the idea that people who have simply taken care of people with ebola in africa should be put under quarantine. not simply active surveillance, which is the current policy. >> like the doctor who returned who does now have ebola and is
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in bellevue hospital in manhattan, he was treating ebola patients in guinea in west africa. he was not quarantined when he came back. this is a new policy i assume based on his experience. is that fair? >> well, i don't know. and i know we're still waiting the written version of this policy, so none of us have had the chance to look at it as it's been detailed. when dr. spencer returned from guinea to europe, then to the united states, he was well. he had no fever. he felt well. and he was a doctor who had been looking after patients in an ebola treatment unit wearing full protective gear. so under our current way of considering high risk, he would not have been considered high risk. we consider people who use full protective gear to be people who are protected, and we know that it works. we've successfully treated patients in the united states
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and of course, many patients have been treated in the countries heavily affected, effectively by health workers who had this gear. sadly, too many health workers in west africa did not. but this gear worked to protect people when they've been trained in how to use it. >> but in the case of dr. craig spencer, who is now at bellevue hospital with ebola, that clearly did not work. i assume that they're concerned since he was dealing with ebola patients and came back to the united states, they want to make sure they don't have any more ebola patients that come forward and have an opportunity to go to bowling alleys and subways, that's why they're going to mandate these quarantines. i think that's the theory learning from his specific case. i a assume you agree? >> well, right now i'm focused on the fact that we've got somebody with confirmed ebola in new york city. dr. spencer, as you pointed out, a very courageous young
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physician working in west africa, which remains the source of our global concern in terms of ebola. he was there, looking after patients. we know we've got to break the back of that epidemic in west africa in order to reduce the risk for all of us. so that's what he was doing, and he came back, as i said, he was well when he came back, he started monitoring his temperature every day, and for the first time yesterday, he had an elevated temperature. he called his organization, doctors without boarders, and they called us and we put him into quarantine. so the times he was walking around new york city or -- and he -- or taking the subway, as we have open hi discussed from the beginning, he was not sick. >> yeah, but -- >> and he was not infectious. >> let's be clear, he was a very courageous doctor, he didn't
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have to go to west africa and work with doctors without boarders. he was trying to save people's lives over there and deserves a lot of credit. having said that, knowing what we know now, should he have self-quarantined himself upon returning to new york city? >> well, he did what we've asked people to do, he measured his temperature twice a day, and he, as i've said, didn't have a fever when he left guinea. felt completely well. didn't have a fever when he left europe and came here. and i think it bears repeating for everyone, how people get ebola. ebola is spread by people who are sick with ebola and through contact with their body fluids. so people, when they're infected with ebola, but before they get sick, are not contagious. >> tell us how he's doing, what kind of treatment is he receiving, and do you want to keep him at bellevue or move him to nih?
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>> all good questions. what we know is that he is talking with people on the cell phone and remains in stable condition. and that's all good news. so he's at bellevue hospital in a treatment unit that is in a dedicated isolation unit. over the last couple of months, the health department had been working with bellevue. bellevue is a wonderful hospital renowned for its doctors and ability to deliver intensive care. it's really up to the patient and his team where he continues to get his care. >> good luck, dr. bassett, thanks for all that you are doing, all of your colleagues are doing. we really appreciate it. and good luck to dr. craig spencer. we hope he has a full, full recovery. much more on the breaking news right after this. ♪
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happening now, breaking news. school shooting. a student opens gunfire at a
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hoolt. ebola quarantine. now put in isolation as officials look for others who may have been exposed to the virus. remains found. police identify the body of the missing university of virginia college student, hannah graham. will the discovery reveal new clues in the case? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." we're following multiple breaking news stories. including the discovery of the remains of hannah graham who disappeared almost six weeks ago. three people quarantined in new york city's ebola scare. plus, the deadly school shooting north of seattle, washington. one student and the gunman are dead, three victims are in critical condition. one more in serious condition.
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we're covering all the breaking news this hour with our correspondents and our guests. let's begin with cnn's tom foreman here in "the situation room," following the school shooting in marysville, virginia. >> as is always the case in these shooting, we may never know the why. we're piecing together the events and here's what we're being told about the alleged gunman. jaylen fryberg was a freshman, native american. classmates say he was into hunting and friendly, popular and well liked. and we're beginning to put together a timeline of what happened in the horrible moments at this school. at 10:39 a.m. as students gathered in the cafeteria for lunch, witnesses say a young man rose from a table, pulled a small pistol from his pocket and began firing.
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>> i saw three kids fall from the table like they were falling to the ground dead. i jumped under if table as fast as i could. when it stopped, i looked back up and saw he was trying to reload his gun. when that happened, i just ran in the opposite direction and i was out of there as fast as i could. >> reporter: that witness said he knew the young man and he looked calm with a blank stare throughout. >> i heard his girlfriend broke up with him, and the tweets that everyone has been retweeting of like their conversations has been brutal. >> reporter: students scattered. many thought a fire drill was under way and many ran outside. in the hallways, teachers started herding others into classrooms and ordered a lockdo lockdown. at some point, someone placed a 911 call and police began to swarm the building.
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going room to room, placing tape over the doors of those they had secured so they know they had already been checked. and in that process, they discovered the alleged gunman. by noon, specially saying he was dead, apparently having shot himself. police believe that one of the calls for help inside came from a school resource officer work thing at the time. but i cannot overstate how difficult sit to deal with a huge environment like this. we first really learned about that at columbine. when something like this happens, people go into hiding everywhere, and it's a difficult task for officers to clear that building, to get the evidence, to make sure no one else is hurt and make sure everyone is accounted for. they're still doing that now and will be doing that for many hours. >> make sure no one is still hiding in a closet or classroom. >> which has happened many times before. >> tom foreman, thank you very much. let's get more now.
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evan perez is joining us. what are you hearing from your sources? >> reporter: well, at this hour we know the parents of the shooter are being interviewed by police, trying to figure out if there's anything more that they could have learned what triggered this. they're also doing a trace of the .40 caliber beretta which is the weapon believed to have been used to gun down his classmates. for federal law enforcement, they're trying to see what they can learn about this incident to prevent this from happening at other schools. >> so the fbi is obviously getting directly involved. other law enforcement agencies, as well. atf, i assume? >> reporter: that's right, the atf and fbi are at the scene helping the local authorities do the investigation. there's tons of interviews to be done with these kids and to see what they witnessed. obviously one of the things they
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want to always cross off the list is anybody who helped him, anybody who helped him get the weapon and the ammunition and to do some behavior an less. they're trying to understand what triggers this, and if there's any way that we can teach law enforcement and schools to try to prevent these things often as in the case here today. these kids shoot themselves before the cops get there. >> it's a form of suicide, if you will. evan, thank you very much. we're just get thing video. it shows the gunman, jaylen fryberg, at his high school homecoming celebration earlier this year. he was the homecoming prince. very popular football player. there he is. you can see him getting that homecoming prince award right there.
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very popular student at that high school. let's bring in our law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. tom, a beretta .40 caliber gun. tell us what can of damage that can do. >> that's a little larger caliber hand gun. it's not as large as a .44 magnum, but it's the caliber used by most police officers on the street, most federal agents. it's not a small caliber gun. if you get shot at point blank in the back of the head as some of these students were. >> how do high school students get access to a weapon like this? >> we see this picture of him receiving a birthday present three months ago, a large hunting rifle with a scope. apparently, you know, they spend
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time hunting and spend time outdoors. that's not uncommon for a 14-year-old to have that kind of experience if they live out in a rural area where there is hunting and outdoor activity. >> he doesn't fit the profile, though, of someone who goes into a school, starts shooting fellow students and shoots himself, does he? >> no. the problem is that people suffering from really bad cases of depression often on the outside don't show it. i look back when i was 14 thinking i wish i could have been as good looking as him and popular and star athlete and all of those things. yet in his own mind it's not good enough. and if somebody says something to him that he thinks is disrespectful or putting him down or whatever it might be, he's not coping with it the way a normal person would. >> there are signs out there but people sometimes are not sensitive enough to the signals that perhaps he was sending in recent weeks or months or even years. >> again.
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but 14-year-olds with hormonal development or lack of development and lack of maturity, you know, they may act out and say crazy things and it's just a lack of maturity. and a lot of parents might just say, you know, that's a typical teenager. i've got a teenager on my hands, what am i going to do? and not realize is he going to cross the line? it's hard for people to read minds and know what he's going to do. >> i want you to look at the photo you referenced. there he is right there. he's got that gun. i don't know if you can tell what kind of gun it is, but he's obviously very, very proud of it and thinks it's the best gift ever. >> it looks similar to the type of hunting rifle used to kill the pennsylvania state trooper recently. if you're skilled with that gun, and it has a scope on it, you can kill at 1,000 yards with that gun. >> that's a birthday present from his parents, right? >> yeah, nice present for a 14-year-old. >> apparently guns are pretty available in washington state, right? >> i think they're pretty
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available in the united states. 300 million guns for 319 million people. >> we spoke to the congressman from washington state, jim mcdermott. he didn't think there were metal detectors at this high school. it's a large high school, about 2,000 kids. but there are an increasing number of high schools in the united states that have metal detectors because they're worried about this type of incident. >> there are some, especially in the inner cities where they have gang activity and drive-by shootings. but the expense you would be talking about at a high school like that, multiple entrances, back doors leading out to practice fields, side doors, front door. to be able to put metal detectors at every entry would be an astronomical expense to do it. at a school like that, there's activities almost seven days a week. you have the band people and football and baseball players coming in early in the morning
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and stay uncle 6:00, 7:00 at night, evening concerts. so you're talking about having that kind of equipment there for the public, the students and the staff from 6:00, 7:00 in the morning until 10:00, 11:00 at night every day of the week. it's really not going to be feasible for most school districts to afford that. >> tom, stand by. joining us right now from the seattle times, the criminal justice reporter jennifer sullivan. jennifer, thank you very much for joining us. i don't know if i got your title right, but tell us what you're seeing and hearing about this horrible shooting incident. >> wolf, what we heard today was complete pandemonium. we heard students being rushed out of every single building. we were initially told it was an assault, that police wouldn't specify what was happening. beheard there was lights, sirens, officers coming from each direction to that school. we heard quickly about all of
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these victims. we had no conditions for a while, but we heard early on there was a gunman and somebody down. and that girl who we've learned is a student. likely 14 years old. what we're reporting right now is that it sounds like she rejected a date, simply mr. fryberg asked her out and she said no and something transpired and that gun was pulled in the cafeteria this afternoon. >> we're not naming this individual, because we don't want to do that yet. but we're saying that he went into the cafeteria and shot this young girl? >> that's what we're hearing. we don't know where her family is. the victims, who are in a trauma center in seattle. the others are in providence. everything is very muddy right now. >> and the girl is dead, right? >> yes. >> and this was his girlfriend, is that what you're hearing? >> what we're hearing is she's someone he asked out on a date,
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a lot of the students have known her for a long time. she just said no, and she was shot for that reason. >> and what about the others who were with her, why would they be shot? >> we're not really sure. they were at the table. mr. fryberg walked into the cafeteria, pulled out a gun and opened fire. after that, you had students running in each and every direction. students said they saw mr. fryberg yesterday at football practice, he was in a great mood, listening to music and dancing. but something transpired that made him upset. >> and he shot and killed himself, right? >> exactly. >> he's the homecoming prince, football player, doesn't fit that pattern we've seen in other school shootings, right, jennifer? >> very popular kid. it's the least -- something you just would not expect. he was someone who was well known in the school. he had friends. this is a small community.
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his family is very well known on the reservation up there. his mother was active in the school district at some point. a very wonderful family, good friends. nothing we expected. >> a native american. the hand gun, do you know how he got it? >> we don't know. but if you look at his social media sites, there's references to weapons. as you see in the photo of him with the hunting rifle. we're all curious as to where he got his weapons. >> you've confirmed it was a .40 caliber hand gun? >> exactly. >> we're showing our viewers right now a birthday present, he got a rifle there with a scope and he put on the social media this was the best gift ever. so clearly he was into guns. but i assume a lot of young kids in washington state are into guns? >> i wouldn't say washington state. marysville is about 45 minutes outside of seattle, so i don't
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know if you would consider it a suburb of seattle. the reservation, folks in marysville, there's lots of folks that hilike to hunt. into i don't think it would be out of the ordinary for any kid up there to be into hunting. >> how is the community right now? >> very traumatized. we heard from the mayor and the county executive. this is the same county that endured the mudslides in oso. they're just reeling. it's a big high school, 2,000 students. you have a lot of students coming in from the reservation. you have students coming in from all over to attend this great school. they just -- the last thing they were expecting was this. >> it certainly is an awful situation, jennifer. so the search in the school is still going on as we speak right now? >> we're hearing that it's slowing down a lot. it took a long time. it's a big campus.
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we heard stories of police officers and fbi agents, federal agents going into different rooms. rooms being tied up with ribbons to show that police officers had searched that -- the police department is still on campus but everything is slowing down. >> it's a horrible situation. jennifer sullivan is a reporter with the "seattle times." we'll stay in close touch with you. tom, what is your reing shun when you hear her, she's right there on the scene, what do you think? >> it's a terrible tragedy we can't understand. if you ask a girl on the date and she said no, that's it. for most of us, rejection is something we had to cope with our whole life. maybe he's so popular nobody says no when he asks for a date. maybe he doesn't have the coping mechanisms the rest of us would have developed over time. again, that age, freshman in high school is a sensitive age and he may have felt she rejected him and humiliated him
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and maybe put him down with her friends. here she's in the cafeteria with other friends and he may have just drummed up that the whole world was making fun of him and disrespecting him. >> we heard from another 14-year-old, we spoke with him earlier. there were nasty tweets going on, social media exchanges that a lot of kids were reading over the past few days and maybe you're right, maybe he did feel humiliated, embarrassed and decided to do this. whatever it is, it's a terrible, terrible situation. tom, don't go too far away. more breaking news we're following here in "the situation room." dramatic action under way to stop the spread of ebola. specials announcing new mandatory quarantines for some travelers. investigators discover the remains of a virginia college student. we're now learning new details of this grim twist in the case of hannah graham. .. i'm an idaho potato farmer and our big idaho potato truck is still missing.
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we're following breaking news. new york and new jersey officials have just announced mandatory quarantines for some travelers coming back to the united states from the ebola hot zone as it's called in west africa. the move comes as a new york city doctor is now in isolation at a manhattan hospital after testing positive for ebola. his fiance and two friends are
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quaranti quarantined. let's go live to elizabeth cohen. what is the latest, what do we know? >> reporter: wolf, i'll tell you, not even 24 hours i said on cnn i wonder if they'll make new rules for health care workers returning to the u.s. and less than 24 hours, did they ever, the governors saying in new jersey, asymptom mattek health care workers will be quarantined for 21 days. >> there is no cause for alarm. >> reporter: tonight, new york city health officials are urging calm as they look for anyone who had contact with dr. craig spencer, the city's first ebola patient. >> the patient continues to be stable at bellevue hospital, where he remains hospitalized on the isolation unit. >> reporter: the 33-year-old doctor returned to the u.s. last week after treating ebola patients in guinea with doctors
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without boarders. three people who had contact with dr. spencer have been quarantined, including his fiance, who will be monitored for symptoms over the next 21 days. as haz/mat crews work to decontaminate his apartment, officials are alerting all who may have come in contact with him. >> we want to find every person with whom he may have been in contact and account for all of his time from the time he developed symptoms. >> reporter: on wednesday, just one day before his diagnosis with ebola, he was out and about in new york, visiting a brooklyn bowling alley. going for a jog and riding the subway. the metropolitan transit authority released a statement, listing their procedures about isolating and disenfecting rail cars, adding that it's safe to travel. this amid good news from the national institutes of health in maryland.
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dallas nurse nina pham is ebola free. >> this illness and this whole experience has been very stressful and challenging for me and my family. although i no longer have ebola, i know that it may be a while before i have my strength back. >> reporter: the nih director said no experimental drugs were given to pham under their care. when or why she turned the corner is hard to pin point, but the blood transfusion from dr. kent brantley could have been a factor. >> that could have been the case, but when you have so many factors at the same time going into the care of a patient, it's virtually impossible to say this is the thing that did it, and this is the thing that didn't do it. >> reporter: pham was invited to the white house where she received a hug from president obama in the oval office. and in atlanta, reports that the other dallas caregiver to contract ebola, amber vinson,
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tests no longer test the virus in her blood, but she remains under close watch. now, getting back to that mandatory quarantine here for health care workers returning to new york or new jersey, governors chris christie and cuomo didn't explain why somebody who can't spread ebola needed to be quarantined. but one thing is clear, health care workers said they wouldn't go back if upon their return they had to be alone for 21 days. so the governors may have made the situation in africa even worse, because now fewer doctors and nurses will want to help. wolf? >> let's get more on the breaking news. joining us is dr. sanjay gupta. the tropical medical medicine specialist, dr. xand van tullekan.
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i want to show you guys the video, these are live pictures. this is the video of nina pham. she's now leaving washington, d.c. heading back to dallas. all of us are very, very happy for her. she's no longer an ebola patient. not only is she out, but she met with the president of the united states in the oval office and he gave her a big hug. i want to thank our affiliate here in washington for that video. but let me ask you about this health care worker in new jersey now who has just come back. the new rules just announced by the governors of new york and new jersey, there will be mandatory quarantines of any of these health care workers who dealt with ebola patients in africa. they're now going to have to be quarantined upon return to the united states for 21 days. i take it you know this health care worker? >> i do, wolf. we've worked together before and she's worked for doctors without
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boarders for many years. she's spent a very spence month caring for ebola patient, doing what few people are doing, being brave, going to the hot zone and trying to protect us here by stopping it there. she left about two days ago. it's taken her that long to travel to the u.s. she told me that her welcome back to america was being quarantined, not being told how long she was being kept for, and being given a granola bar. so she's exhausted, stressed and very confused. >> does it make sense, sanjay, for the governors of new york and new jersey to do this in the aftermath of what we saw in the aftermath of dr. spencer who treated ebola patients in guinea, came back to the united states, was out and about on the subway and went bowling, now came down with ebola. now there's mandatory quarantine for health care workers returning from west africa.
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>> a lot of people will hear this and say this makes sense, but we need to remember that from a scientific perspective, it probably doesn't make sense. because you're not spreading the virus until you are sick. and this is just an important point. you can understand the fear. you don't want to be dismissive of the fear. i've gotten lots of e-mails saying how could this doctor have been out and about. even doctors without boarders say a quarantine is neither recommended or warranted. you're not a threat to the public's health. this is really addressing fear more than it is addressing science, wolf. this is sometimes how decisions get made. there was a travel ban for people who had hiv-aids until just a few years ago. a lot of people don't realize that. it made no sense when it was instituted and it made no sense when it was overturned.
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this is sometimes how decisions get made, wolf. >> people want to air on the side of caution. doctor, what do you think? >> my colleagues have summarized the position exactly. nsf have had 700 volunteers return from working in the hot zone, and if you take 21 days quarantine for those people, it adds up to something like 40 years of lost manpower. it's a huge disincentive and we're seeing lots of ngos that would like to go in the hot zones but there's a shortage of people. so this legislation is making us less safe. i went through all the protocols with them today, and the property polls are ve-- protoco are clear. doctors without boarders have repatriated more health care workers and these are detailed
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guidelines. the hospital is predetermined with the cdc so people can seek care rapidly and dr. spencer did not expose anyone to a risk beyond those three people. >> who are under quarantine right now. let's fautalk about the preside of the united states. he very visibly wanted to give nina pham a big hug. he wanted to send a message, these people are ebola free, don't worry about them. but let me ask you about the 21-day period. if you don't get symptoms within 21 days, you're not going to get ebola. is that hard and fact? >> there are always outliers in medicine and science, but we have an overwhelming amount of science that does justify the 21-day incubation period. doctors without boarders have been using this for almost four
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decades and saying let's monitor people for 21 days. if they don't develop symptoms, it's okay to go. it's important that we reiterate this so people that come out of the isolation period complete that 21-day period, that they're not shunned or feared, that they're welcomed and embraced. we cannot let fear at this point come in the way of empathy, compassion and science. >> sanjay, if dr. craig spencer, who is now at bellevue hospital in new york, were your patient, would you recommend he be moved to nih where nina pham has been released from where they have presumably more sophisticated treatment facilities than they do at bellevue? >> i don't think so, wolf. i think everybody that needs to be done can be done for him at bellevue hospital. a lot of people will say, that didn't go so well in dallas. point taken. that's a good point. but i don't think we should immediately assume all hospitals across the count try are going to have the same problems.
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in fact, hope any some lessons were learned from dallas. there is no specific treatment, wolf, for ebola, as we talked about. there are experimental medications that can be given at bellevue. there are blood transfusions that can be given at bellevue. but there's no magic potion at any of these other four centers. in terms of isolation, that can be done at a place like bellevue, as well. remember, most of the patients up until this year, most of the patients in the world were taken care of in really tough situations in remost fte forest areas in africa. they can do it there, they should be able to do it here in the united states at any hospital. >> what about the health care professionals, the doctors and the nurses at bellevue, will they be as protected as the doctors and nurses at nih if >> we've seen a lot of what bellevue are doing.
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they just seem massively better prepared than what we saw in texas. as sanjay pointed out, this is not that complicated. it's about protocols, drill and practice. and we know they've been doing that at bellevue and we know we can do it in rural africa. so they've upgraded the kinds of protocols they're using. i would not have any concerns for the team working there. we worry about them, but i think the risk is very low and they're managing it as effectively as can be done. >> three of the best in the business, guys, thank you very much. let me thank you, not only on our behalf but behalf of all of the viewers for the excellent work you guys are doing. just ahead, live to charlottesville, virginia. more breaking news there. authorities now identified the remains found in the hannah graham search. new moves by north korea. do they represent a new threat to the united states? marie hearth is walking into
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we're seeing new images of north korea's mysterious leader kim jong-un. and now some troubling new moves by his country have u.s. officials trying to figure out what north korea is up to right now. our global affairs correspondent is working this for us at the state department. what are you finding out? >> reporter: kim jong-un is reappearing just as north korea is undertaking a dramatic worldwide diplomatic charm offensive. but it's unclear if kim is offering an olive branch or trying to shield his regime from international action. in new photos, kim jong-un
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inspects military drills. it's a more commanding image than the one he conveyed ten days ago, emerging after a five-week absence and walking with a cane. fueling speculation about his health and grip on power. the mystery deepened this week when pyongyang suddenly called for a u.s. government plane to take home american jeffrey, arrested in may for leaving a bible at a club. north korea suggested an apology from the u.s. could free the remaining americans. >> our hope is they will recognize the good will that could be built and the gesture that it would offer to the world of their willingness to try to open up a different diplomatic track. >> reporter: a diplomatic track with rare diplomatic moves by the north, holding talks this month with south korea, negotiating with japan about the fate of its citizens kidnapped
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decades ago, and fanning diplomats out across the globe to soften its image. this week a senior north korean diplomat in new york even gave a public address calling for dialogue with the world. victor cha, a former white house adviser on north korea, believes it's less about a new opening and a more tactical move to avoid condemnation of the regime and its leaders in the u.n. >> they sew a steady drumbeat of anger in the international community of north korea's human rights abuses and worried it may come to fruition in terms of something substantial. >> reporter: at the top u.s. commander in korea warned, the north is making some nuclear advances. >> at the very same time, they've continued to pace their
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development of missile systems, their nuclear systems, other means, working very hard at that. >> reporter: and wolf, the obama administration is debating whether to seize on these gestures by the north to restart nuclear talks. however, the u.n. responsible for that investigation into north korea's human rights record says this is a moment of truth for north korea, which can't be 2r5itraded away by a bf charm. wolf? >> joining us is marie hearth. thank you very much for joining us. >> happy to be here. >> what do you make of the release of jeffrey fowl without any apparent conditions? the north korean leader kim jong-un saying he followed repeated requests of the u.s. president, president obama? >> it's always hard to judge why the north korean regime takes certain actions. they've released americans in the past without any rhyme or
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reason. we remind everyone there are two americans, matthew miller and kenneth bay that remain detained in north korea. we are working for their release every day. >> some analysts see north korea taking what they call a charm offensive. is there any thaw in the u.s.-north korean relationship? >> there really isn't. these americans should. have been detained in the first place. but more than that, we are fog to judge north korea by their actions, not words. they have to take steps to denuclearize. they have not taken those steps. that's what we judge them by. >> what do you make of this new potential capability that these reports suggest that they might be able to put a nuclear warhead on a missile? >> those are things we look at every single day. our counterparts at the pentagon look at that very closely. that's why despite the diplomatic exchanges, we are going to judge them by whether
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they're willing to take steps to denukize. >> your best analysts still believe kim jong-un is in power? >> yes. >> and he's the guy in charge? >> they do. >> stand by, we have a lot more to discuss. we'll talk about what's going on in iraq and syria. isis making new moves right now that are very, very disturbing. new information coming in right after this. (receptionist) gunderman group.
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we're trying to get more information. any use of chemical weapons would be a gross violation of enter name norm and would be very concerning. we know isis is willing to do anything to kill people that get in its way. but we can't confirm it. >> we know the syrian regime of bashar al assad, his forces have been using similar chlorine weapons. >> we've seen those reports, too. there are indications they have used it in the past. we would be very concerned if this fell into the hands of the terrorists. >> what do you make of these terror incidents, two in canada this week, now yesterday in new york city, a guy with a hatchet goes over and tries to kill four police officers, injures two of them seriously. the police commissioner in new york calls this as an act of terror, someone who was radicalized, inspired by islamists jihadists. what do you make of what's going on? >> we know the homegrown terrorist threat is a sere one.
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we've seen this in the past, but we know there's a threat that people around the world could look at isil propaganda and look at what they're doing and be inspired by it. and often this lone wolf, which is what we're seeing in many of these cases, the lone wolf is a very serious threat and that's a hard threat to guard against, because if it's one person and there aren't a lot of warning signs, that's a tough challenge. but we're very committed to fighting it. >> we did have all these statements on social media, these isis videos, one of the isis leaders urging muslims around the world to retaliate and go out and kill the infidels. he said especially the spiteful filthy french, canadians and others cooperating with the united states. there was one incident in canada where a guy uses a car, kills a
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canadian soldier, injures another one. then at the parliament we saw what happened and yesterday a guy with a hatchet in new york city. three incidents in a row. that sounds suspicious to me. >> well, of course, these are all tragic incidents. we know that people in uniform are a target, that these terrorists looking to attack. we're pushing them back where they're trying to gain more territory in iraq and syria and they're trying to inspire people around the world to join their cause. that's why we're focused on depriving them of resources where they're fighting and encouraging moderate muslim leaders to go into their space on social media and speak out saying these men do not represent islam and you are not joining in an islamic cause if you are fighting with them. we need them to do that. >> i assume the u.s. is taking more precautions for u.s.
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diplomats serving around the world, especially some dangerous places right now. >> absolutely. we always look at the threat picture and we have taken additional steps if we think they are necessary. >> thank you very much for coming in. just ahead, breaking news out of virginia as authorities identify the remains found in the hannah graham search. we go live to charlottesville right after this.
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tell tom torlakson to keep fighting for a plan that invests in our public schools. more breaking news, this time in virginia. forensic tests have identified the remains found last weekend as those of missing student hannah graham. brian todd is in charlottesville for us. our law enforcement analyst tom
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fuentes is here in washington with me. brian, first of all, tell us what you've learned. >> just a short time ago we got the news that the graham family, the university of virginia community has been dreading all along, confirming the remains found are those of 18-year-old hannah graham. 41 days had past between her disappearance and today. those remains were discovered six days ago along that creek bed. we have video of the creek bed. we were allowed to get near it this afternoon. then the word came that the remains are those of 18-year-old hannah graham. the county police department telling us that upon the positive identification, colonel steve sellers, the police chief, and detective sergeant terry walls, a short time ago, gra ham's parents issued a statement saying, we have devastated by the loss of our beautiful
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daughter hannah. this was a long ordeal stretching out over a month. the investigation led to the largest manhunt in virginia state history, that ended today with the discovery and the confirmation that the remains are indeed those of 18-year-old hannah graham. >> brian, thank you very much. tom fuentes, where does this leave investigators, prosecutors, law enforcement authorities now that they have confirmed after six days that the remains are in fact those of hannah graham? >> it means they're going to have to try to find enough forensic evidence at that crime scene to show that she was murdered, how she was murdered and try to link jesse matthew to being the one that murdered her. just finding his hair samples or any of that on her clothing or anywhere near there is not going for enough, because they already knew they were together and he had his arm around her and would have had hair fall on her shoulders and all that. they've got to show here, if
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they can, how she was murdered and link the murderer to the victim. >> what does it say to you that it took six days to make this final confirmation? >> they were just being very meticulous in not removing the remains. they're looking for every microscopic bit of evidence that they can find, moving one part of her at a time, not to be too gruesome. but it takes a long time to be that me liticulousmeticulous. for that, they didn't have her remains sent off until they completed all the work at the scene. >> jesse matthew is being held in charlottesville. not only in connection with her disappearance, and now we know her murder, and he hasn't been really charged with any kind of murder, simply abduction right now. but there are a whole bunch of other investigations involving other missing young women. >> right. he hasn't been specifically charged in the murder of morgan harrington, who was the virginia tech student killed in 2009
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after leaving a concert in charlottesville. so that one, you know, they do have a speedy trial. if they bring formal charges, they have to be ready to prosecute. in the fairfax case, the authorities there, the investigation by fairfax county sheriffs and in that case working with their prosecutors, they're ready to go in the i tempted murder and rape of the young lady in fairfax in 2005. in that case, she survived the attack buzz a bystander came by and caused matthew to play. his dna has been linked to her to that attack. and she can talk about it. he grabbed her in a parking lot coming out of a giant grocery store. she can identify him and testify against him and the physical evidence links him to it. so they will be ready to go sooner than later. >> horrendous scene in charlottesville, virginia. our deepest condolences to hannah graham's family and
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friends. that's it for me. thank you very much for watching. join us again monday right here in "the situation room." dvr the show. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. breaking news. a deadly high school shooting. the freshman homecoming prince killing one student, wounding four more and killing himself. some witnesses are saying it may have been over a teenage romance gone bad. all playing out on social media. terror in new york. two policemen wounded by a self-radicalized man with a hatchet. misca police calling it an act of terror. and step by step as a health care worker just back from west africa is under mandatory quarantine by the governor of new jersey. let's go "outfront."