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she is quarantined in a hospital because of new jersey's new rules, but this nurse is furious, and for the first time she's talking. >> i am in a tent within a building, just a basic tent structure. there's a hospital bed, obviously they bring me food. i have kind of a port apotty type of rest room, no showers facilities. >> that's cnn exclusive interview is next. hello, again, everyone. let's getting rik to our top story. back lash from health workers, as three u.s. states now rush to impose new quarantines. illinois joins new york and new jersey, announcing 21-day mandatory quarantines for high-risk people returning. florida announced mandatory monitoring. now there's concern that response could stop health workers from going to west
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africa to help fight ebola at the source. the director of the snags institute of allergy and infectious diseases spoke out on cnn's "state of the union" today. >> you have got to make your decision and policy on the scientific data. with whom you don't come into contact with body fluids, they are not a threat. so we have to be careful when we make policy that we don't have unintended consequences where you group everyone in the same category, that just because you came back from there, that therefore you're in this category. today samana power arrived in guinea, and she told nbc the last thing we need is to discourage health workers. >> we needham more than are going, and we need to find a way when they come home, they are
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treated like conquering heroes and not stigma tiesed. >> and scathing words from a nurse quarantined. she wrote in a her to "the dallas morning news" i sat alone and thought of many colleagues who will return home and face the same ordeal. will they be made to feel like criminals? >> candy crowley spoke exclusively to casei hickox. the conditions hicks objection described are pretty rough. take a listen to the interview, you will only see here on cnn. >> casei hickox, the nurse in quarantine now in new jersey thank you so much for joining us. i know a couple days to get from sierra bleed on. you had been there with doctors without borders, helping to treat and fight ebola.
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tell us what happened. >> i spent a month in sierra leone. when i arrived at the airport in newark, i of course presented my paperwork to the immigration official and told him that i had been in sierra leone. so i verbally declared it myself as well as writing it in the documentation. and he was have patient and said, okay they'll have a couple questions. there were many people that asked me questions. no one seems to be leading or coordinating the effort. a lot of the questions were repetitive, and as an epidemiologist, i was surprised that -- you know, i saw people writing in the margins of their paperwork which just showed obviously they weren't prepared to capture all the information they thought they needed. obviously i was there for many hours. my plane -- and i only left for the isolation center around --
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>> kaci, let me sbrup you for a second. i want to know -- the questioning -- by my tally, were there five or six hours at the airport? is that correct? were you surprised by this? new know there had been a quarantine put in place for all health workers if. >> as far as i know, you're right, i wasty airport for five or six hours. and before i arrived, i had heard the news that a summer -- from doctors without borders living in new york city had tested positive. so i -- i assumed there would be maybe further questioning than before, but as far as i knew when i landed there had been no official quarantine order for either the state of new jersey or new york, and we are finally looking into that detail ourselves, but i don't have that information at this time.
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>> so once you got to the hospital, what happened? >> once i got to the hospital, they, of course tested my blood, they asked me a few more questions. i do want to say everyone here, all of the doctors and nurses caring for me and ems workers have been fantastic, so supportive. they have offered to give me books, bring me pizza hut. they are fantastic. they have definitely gotten caught up in a political mess. i don't envy them. but yes, they tested my blood, as you know, it was negative. they also confirmed it was negative. i know there have been reports of me having a fever in the airport, but i truly believe that it's an instrument error. this were using the forehead scanner. i was obviously distressed and a bit upset, and so my cheeks were flushed, and i think there has been some evidence that that machine is not very accurate in
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these kinds of situation. when i arrived in the unit, they took my temperature orally, and it was completely normal, and since then -- >> does it remain normal? >> it's also been completely normal. i heard from my mother last night who called me concerned and said governor christie just said in an interview, that you were, quote/unquote obviously ill. this is so frustrating to me. first of all, i don't think he's a doctor. secondly he's never laid eyes on me. thirdly i have been asymptomatic since i've been here. i feel physically completely strong and emotionally completely exhausted. for him to say i'm obviously ill, which is even a strange statement. what does that mean? someone define that for me. i don't quite understand what "obviously ill" means. i am here to tell you that i am completely fine physically, and being held here is just -- i
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just am -- >> what is your understanding about how long -- what have they told you about tomorrow and the day after that? and the day after that? >> this is the other concern that i have. i have nod been communicated a clear plan. my quarantine order, which was written by the new jersey health commissioners, and even to this day no one has told me what it means or what's the plan? no one has told me how long it would last. i don't know if i'm going to be retested and if so, why i would be retested. i'm completely asymptomatic. the test is not even accurate if you don't have symptoms. yesterday, i spoke with the assistant health commissioner, christopher i believe is his name. i told him one thing. i said the only thing i have to say to you is i want an answer for what is my clear plan. no one has communicated with me. you have, you know, put me in an
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isolation unit without communicating medically or public health scientifically logical chain of events that need to happen next, and this to me is just completely unacceptable. i spoke with him at 6:00 p.m. last night, and now it's 11:00 a.m. i still haven't heard from anyone as to what the plan is next for me. ivities as far as we know, and this certainly does not relate specifically to your case, that it is a 121-day quarantine. can you describe where you are right now? what does it look like? are you in the hospital in a room? >> sure. i am outside of the university hospital itself in a different building, i believe, though i can only say what i can see from my tent. i am within a building, and i -- you know, it's just a basic tent structure. there's a hospital bed, obviously they bring me food.
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i have kind of a port apotty type of rest room, no shower facilities, and no connection with the outside world except my iphone, which i insisted that i brought with me when i arrived late friday night. >> so let me ask you this, from a different point of view. you have been over in sierra leone, i think everyone would salute someone who really does put their life on the line to go over and help others. we have heard over and over again while you have been away, how vital it is for all countries to send workers, doctors, nurses, other health care workers, to fight this disease where it is, in order to, you know, save those countries, as well as protect the rest of the world, but understanding that the doctor who is now in quarantine in new york city was home seven or eight days before he spiked a bit of a fever, and then was put into isolation, do you
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understand the need of governors, be they from new jersey or new york or illinois, to say we can't take this risk? that somebody is out there with a fever, or will spike a fever eight or nine days after they arrive? we need to make sure they're in isolation until they know they're in the past before. do you understand that psyche? >> i don't understand it. it is completely not understandable. it's not based on any clear public health evidence, and it's not the recommendation of public health and medical experts at this point. you know, i think we have to be very careful about letting politicians make medical and public health decisions, and all of the evidence about ebola shows that if you are not symptomatic, you are not infectious. so, for instance, when i arrived, i was not symptomatic, and that friday evening, think tested my blood, and i am
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negative. so if i want symptohave no symp and tested negative, there's no reason for anyone to tell me i need to -- and under a quarantine. it's completely unacceptable and i believe, you know -- imposes -- >> perhaps because you have been gone, i know, again, for so long, in the united states there have been what appear to be missteps by the cdc, certainly by a hospital in dallas which got an ebola patient, someone who was ill from it, and clearly had a -- you know, was communicable at that point. >> sure. i'd like to remind you he wasn't an aid work. >> sure. no, no, all i was going to say is there is this feeling that the federal government and is the doctors who advise the
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federal government don't actually know how to contain this. i think it is out of that concern from the public thinking, wait a second, they told us it couldn't come here, they told us we could deal with it, it, and it hasn't always come to be so. they've had to change, as you know, some of their protocols in deal with it for health care workers, et cetera. so i think that is somewhat pushing this drive. so, you know, do you -- having said that, you landed without knowing about a quarantine, and it seems to me in one of the things that you wrote was, i aim scared -- talking about other workers cometic back, that they will arrive and seen a frenzy of disorganization, and most frightening, a quarantine. can you tell me why the quarantine of the fear you must have certainly felt thinking what are they people up to, getting a police ride with the sirens and everything to the hospital, so i understand that
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fear and not knowing what's going on, but tell me what's frightening about a quarantine. >> for me it's two things, and i've experienced it, so unfortunately i think i can say these two things pretty confidently. the first is that this is not a -- you know -- all of the workers who are taking care of me being quarantined? no, they are seeing me and then they're going home to their families. so the quarantine does -- and how it's being carried out, it doesn't make scientific sense. it's not evidence-based. the second thing is it's really inhumane. i just came back from one of the most difficult months in my life. i am completely -- and no one -- no one can predict if i will develop ebola or not in the next 21 days. most aid workers that come back
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will not develop ebola. so to quarantine everyone in case, you know, when you cannot predict who may predict ebola and make my stay for 21 days, to not be with my family, to put me through this emotional and physical stress is completely unacceptable. >> you know, kaci, one of the things we have learned is that there is no such thing as no risk, but that you can get pretty close. i think you would concede as a health care worker in a sure there's a low risk that perhaps you smite at some point be carries the ebola virus. is it worst it to keep new jerseyians out of any kind of risks to keep you 21 days in quarantine? >> you know, i think one of the
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frustrating things about this policy is it is obviously poorly planned out. the policy states that health care workers will be quarnt teed, but what about other people traveling from these rijens as well. you're right, there is no such thing as no risks, about you i think we also have to balance what you're putting the health care workers through and how evidence-based your approach is. for instance, are you then going to quarantine all of the health care workers that are looking at health care workers who have been to an ebola affected area. could it be said they also have some level of a risk since they are taking care of possible ebola contacts? i think it's a slippery slope. my frustration is that it truly hasn't been thought out and it's not current science based. it's not a sound public health
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decision. i think many experts in the field have come out and agreed with me. so i think we need to stress the fact that we don't need politicians to make these kind of decisions. we need public health experts to make these decisions. there always needs to be a balance, because i also want to be treated with compassion and humanity. >> sure. >> and i don't feel like i've been treated that way the past three days. >> sure. and one of the things that governor christie said as recently as this morning is that he's sorry that this has been an inconvenience to you, but he's trying to protect a public that he feels particularly in densely populated areas has not been properly protected by the cdc and this administration. i wanted to give you this chance to talk to governor christie. what would you say to him? >> you know, the first thing i would say to governor christie is that i wish he would be more
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careful about his statements related to my medical condition. i am not, as he said, quotes/unquote obviously ill. i am completely healthy and with no symptoms. if he knew anything about ebola, he would know that asymptomatic people are not infectious. i understand that people feel like they have a risk, and i think we can have a conversation about how what further measures might look like, but i think this is an extreme that is really unacceptable, and i feel like my basic human rights have been violated. i hope that he will also consider me -- obviously you know, all i want is to go home to my partner, who is completely happy to have me home, and is not scared at all, because he knows that i know more about ebola than most people in the u.s. if i were the unlucky person
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like dr. spencer to develop symptoms after returning home, i would be smart and do the right thing and contact the local health department and be safe in going to a facility and being isolated and tested. but this is just an extreme that we have to fight against. >> kaci hickox, first thank you so much for your time. our wish is that you remain symptom-free. >> yes. >> and our second wish is that somehow you with work this out to a point where you no longer feel that you are being threatened, you know, by just having to stay in quarantine, and that you get back to your life as soon as you can. thank you so much for your time this morning. >> thank you, candy. the director of the office of commune indications of the new jersey health department responded to hicks objection's claims, saying this in a
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statement to cnn -- the patient was given a copy of the quarantine order friday and is receiving regularly updated information. the statement going on to say, quote -- the patient did receiving reading materials. she also got computer access. end quo. governor chris christie also talking about the kaci hickox situation earlier today. he defended the quarantine policy that has left hicks objection trapped inside that tent. >> i believe that folks who are willing to volunteer also understand that it's in their interest and in the public health interest to have a 21-day period thereafter if they've been directly exposed to people with the virus. and as we saw with what happened with some of the health care workers in texas, with the cdc shifting protocols, we have people who were infected from that type of contact. we just can't have that in the new york/new jersey area. that's why governor cuomo and i agree, and you see they agree in
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chicago as well. i think it will become a national policy sooner rather than later. >> joining mess elizabeth cohen live outside bellevue hospital. and dr. garza. so to you, dr. garza, first, is casei hickox making valid points this treatment is inhumane, you supported scientifically appeared medically and unnecessary? >> i absolutely agree. this policy seems to have gone from step zero to step 100 without any intervening segments, to really discuss what the policy should be. clearly most people are quarantined when they have an infectious disease that is at risk to the public. typically these are people like tuberculosis patients that refuse to take their medicine, therefore a risk to the public. soi valid to quarantine them. right now what we are talking
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about is people with no active disease that are at no risk to the public whatsoever. so the policy seems a little bit odd. i also think that it also doesn't comport with what they should be trying to do, which is de-escalate the anxiety and the fear of the public. on the one hand we're saying there's nothing to worry about, everything is fine, these people are at no risk to the general public, but we're going to quarantine them for 21 days just to be sure. the second point, though, is i think a much more personal one, and that is these people have given their time and have essentially put themselves in the line of fire to try and take care of a problem that is a problem for the world. for them to be treated in this fashion i just -- i can't contemplate it. we would never treat our military warriors this way. why who we treat the people who are essential war yore against ebola this way? she should be treated with compassion, dignity and respect. >> kaci hickox now has an
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attorney, and you spoke to the attorney about a hearing they are hoping for positive results for her? >> reporter: the new yorkers who i've been talking to, they're not scared so much that they're going to get ebola. i think what they feel is anger. they want to know why if dr. spencer was feeling sluggish, wouldn't did debit he stay home? why did he go out to a bowling alley and restaurant? there are new rules that there start tomorrow from the cdc, that people returning will have to be in daily contact with a local health official. i sort of wonder, if he had been in daily contact with a health official and he had said i'm feeling sluggish, might they have told him stay home, let es get some care. might the outcome have been different? >> and elizabeth and dr. garza stick around. i want more detail on the legal strategy now that casei hickox
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had to put homeland security first, there is that articular friday the governors from the three states, who will say they are trying to prevent and protect the masses by imposing these mandatory quarantines. from the homeland security point of view, do you see their argument? i can seer their argument. the other side of the fence is we should be making loan cal and well-prescribed actions based on fact and the science. it's usually a culling together of those two worlds when you come up with best policies. it seemed we were on that path, checking temperatureses doing questionnaires, but then we took it to the tenth or the 100th degree and said we're going to flat-out quarantine all these
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medical works without any intervening thought. i can completely understand the argument of protecting the public good policy has to be based on fact. it seems like that this was a little too much in that direction of faulting security rather than thinking about it from a public health and from a personal civil liberties point of view. >> and these policies took place parent involving these states without any kind of consultation of the white house or from a federal level. is there any leverage that the white house or anyone from the cdc or public health can really have to ask or request or demands they states reverse the policies? >> sure. they can ask all they want, but the division of power in the united states, of course, is through the constitution. the states absolutely have the police powers to issue quarantine orders for their states, to protect what they think is important for their
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public. though the cdc and the white house can, of course, argue against it and apparently they are very strenuously, at the end of the day, it is the responsibility and the legal authority of the state to issue quarantine orders. >> then elizabeth, let's talk about this -- we just lost or signal with dr. garza, we'll try to reestablish that. elizabeth, potential legal road, this nurse hicks objection has an attorney, and the attorney is saying we want a hearing to try to either reverse this situation or, what, demand better protections for her? explain. >> reporter: what hicks objection's lawyer wants to demand is the government explain why they did what they did. they said the burden of proof is to explain when they take someone's civil liberties away. if you lock someone us, you need to explain why. in this country we don't just do that.
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he said allege example is a mentally ill person, they get a hearing within a certain amount of days. she deserves the same thing, why shouldn't he get a hearing? another point i wanted to talk about, fred, is, you know, quarantines are there to protect the public. so by governor christie's reasoning, why not quarantine people who have signs of the flu? the flu kills tens of thousands of americans each year. if you start to feel the flu coming on, why not quarantine those people? if you walk around, it's very easy to transmit the flu. it's airborne, unlike ebola. the experts i'm saying are saying this needs to be thought through. if we're going to quarantine these -- really we ought to think about quarantining anyone who looks like the flu. >> thank you to dr. garra as
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ebola is ravages liberia, but in one part of that country there's a surprising sang wear
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from the spread of the deadly disease. it could be a model for how to contain ebola and protect thousands elsewhere. it's the firestone rubber plantation, about an hour's drive from the capital city of monl rovia. it's what has happen since march 30th that is truly remarkable. they have managed to contain the virus and keep it from spreading. edgaria is the director, leading an unprecedented effort as to stop ebola. you say you and your team went into crisis mode when the first case was diagnosed. a firestone manager did a google search and plotted a plan to include two isolation clinics on the firestone property. take me from there. >> first of all, thank you for
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allowing us the opportunity to share or story. going back to what you just mentioned, we realized that we had to handle the situation ourselves, and that there was no help around. so we had to quickly find an isolation unit and prepare it. we had to search for -- and found hazmat suits that we had in our factory symptom rik. we had to learn how to disinfect contaminated areas. more importantly we got our medical personnel and health care workers trained so they could handle the situation safely. during the course of two days, we were able to isolate and quarantine the family. the patient died the next day, but no one in our family or in our community, and none of our
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health care workers contracted the disease. i would say our swift response really worked, and we were ebola free for four months after that episode. so are the numbers correct i've had 71 either suspected or diagnosed cases of ebola? there on the property, and your 8,000 people on more than -- almost 200 acres of land, but you've managed to keep the numbers from getting even bigger. i understand right now maybe you have about five ebola patients right now getting treatment? is all of that right? >> yes. actually the numbers went up to 78 the end of september up to 73, in october we had an additional five cases.
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four of the five cases came from communities outside our property, and one came from within. i'm happy to say that four of the five survived. since then, you know, since mid september we have significantly limited the spread of ebola. our situation is now under control and has been stable for the past six weeks. >> so it's difficult to try to simplify the answer here, but is the difference between what the firestone plant, what you have managed to do to contain the spread of ebola, in comparison to the rest of liberia, which every county has been impacted by ebola patients, or even to compare it to sierra leone or guinea, is the difference your company has the money and manpower and the organization to try to tackle this epidemic?
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>> i think the big difference is we had the right people and the right time. it's the people and unwavering support of the company that's made the difference. we also attacked the problem comprehensively. we did everything we could with whatever we had. we had to be creative, we had to be innovative, and just dealt with the situation without wasting time. >> ed garcia of firestone, thanks so much for your time. hopefully what you are doing is something that can be imposed in the other impacted nations on a much bigger scale and perhaps even other cunning are learning from your example. thanks so much, ed garcia, appreciate it. in washington we're following the white house's response to ebola. erin mcpike is there live. >> fredricka, u.s. ambassador to
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the u.n., samantha powers has traveled to the west after kaj nations to send a message that it's okay for workers to go there and volunteer. more on that, next.
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like aarp medicarecomplete. let's get you on the right path. call unitedhealthcare today. a top obama administration official is in an ebola hot zone today. u.s. ambassador to the united states flew to guinea. one of the three countries most affected. erin mcpike has more. >> she'll be traveling, meeting with health care workers, and visiting ebola coordination centers, really to workers.
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the administration is obviously upset for these quarantining rules that the states have recently imposed. samantha powers earlier spoke to cnn news criticizing the rules. >> we cannot take measures here that will impact or ability to flood the zone, and we have to find the right balance between addressing the legitimate fears that people have and encouraging and incentivizing these hero. health workers going to the hot zone? they are heroes, american heroes, and we have to valorize that and incentivize that, while ensuring that the american people feel safe. >> we have much of the same thing from -- >> thanks so much. erin mcpike. coming up later on, 4:15 eastern time. 30 minutes or so from now, mayor
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>> air bags are supposed to save lives, not injure people, but a
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recall of air bags is massive. nearly 8 million vehicles are affected. ed and richard penned a letter to the u.s. secretary of transportation saying this. the government should immediately issue a nationwide safety recall on all of the effected cars. further it goes on to say that car manufacturers provide rental cars if they cannot be fixed immediately because of insufficient replacement parts. lauren, good to see you. >> good to see you, too. >> this is a very big list. it's not one car manufacturer, one type, one model. how do you find out whether it's your car that needs to be taken in because of the recall? >> there's been a lot of changes. earlier this week we were told there were six manufacturers and now we're at eight, possibly
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nine manufacturers. go to safer car.gov. your vin number is on your dash board right as it meets the windshield. write that number down, put that number in. if you say you know what? i don't have time for that? call your dealer. the key thing is and i do agree, this is very serious. this isn't just something that's florida and purt rico exclusive. with four deaths and hundreds of injuries, this is a very serious recall. >> you take it to the dealer but then aren't these air bags usually installed by the manufacturer and now customers are supposed to feel comfortable that the dealer or repair shop at the dealer is going to make
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these repairs or fix this? >> initially they are installed in the cars on production lines. for cars in an accident, collision shops are very well trained in how to properly install a new air bag. these cars go all the way back to 2000 and as early as 2012. each model is different and each year is different. my big concern is when you go to the dealer and they say we don't have it, we're going to have to order it. they're sending you off on the road with a vehicle that has a defect. some cases they will take out the air bag or they will just disable it. that's a federal offense to disable or remove an air bag so the dealers are following what they are being told.
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anyone who sits on the driver's side is at risk of having the air bag deploy without there being an accident. get them loaner vehicles and pay your brand loyalty. any dealer that does that for me i definitely would buy another vehicle from them. >> how long is it likely to take before there is a response to the senators who say a loaner should be made available. the clock is ticking and people are driving their cars but they have got to be able to get to work or school? >> absolutely. ntsa was not confident. it was a field action and now it's a recall. this is where i tell people it's important that you be proactive. tell your dealer that you don't feel safe driving the vehicle and that you want to get a
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loaner. it is important that you give yourself 12 inches from the center of your chest to the air bag no matter what you're driving. >> all right, lauren, thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we will have more right after this.
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>> all right. welcome back to the newsroom. nick is here with the other news making the headlines. >> let's get right to them. we're learning more about one of the suspects accused of fatally shooting two sheriff's deputies in california on friday. marquez had been deported to mexico twice. they are in custody after allegedly going on a six-hour shooting rampage in the sacramento area. friday's shootings in washington state could have been more
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deadly. a teacher ran towards the shooter and confronted him. she is now being hailed for her courage. members of the community will gather at the school to begin the healing fro sess. a hand overceremony formally ends 13 years of british combat operations. afghan national security forces will take over operations but the military will continue to support them in their effort. it's all you, fred. >> appreciate it. the next hour of the newsroom starts right now. >> all right. hello again. live pictures right now outside
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bell view hospital where in about 15 minutes from now we expect to hear from the mayor on the fight against ebola. when that happens we will bring that to you live. other major developments today, illinois is announcing a 21 day mandatory quarantine for high risk people returning from liberia, syria lion and new guinea. the director spoke out on the state of the union today. >> look at the evidence. who has gotten infected outside of the health care setting? the two people, one of whom i took care of, got infected because she put herself in harm's way with a patient with advanced disease. you have got to keep