shocking video tonight about the hostage who now filed a, quote, unquote, journalistic report for isis. ac-360 begins right now. good evening, tonight. thanks for joining us. breaking news this hour on ebola on the u.s. military taking new steps to quarantine troops on the fight over states like new york and new jersey quarantining civilians and this out of the baltimore area. the university of maryland says it's evaluating and caring for a potential ebola patient. no word on who the patient is, male or female or his or her circumstances. we'll have more on that in just a moment. there's breaking news on another potential case that tugged a lot of heartstrings today. a 5-year-old boy just back in new york from guinea taken to manhattan's bellevue hospital in a bio-equipped ambulance. >> we did the caution thing and brought the child in under the full protocol. >> i can only imagine what it

must be like to that little boy and people across the country who have been struggling with how to come to grips with ebola. breaking news on the boy's condition. jim acosta on the new jersey and new york quarantine. we begin with barbara starr. so exactly how is the army planning to deal with soldiers and others returning from serving in liberia or guinea or sierra leone? >> the u.s. army took an extraordinary step today and ordered that all army troops, all soldiers returning from west africa will go into what they are calling controlled monitoring, what the rest of us might call a 21-day quarantine. they're housed separately, their temperature will be monitored. they will not be allowed to see their families. they'll have to stay inside during that 21-day period. already two-star general general darrell williams and about a dozen of his folks just back from africa are undergoing this monitoring, this quarantine in italy at their home base now the

store opened to all u.s. army troops doing this. and general williams and his team right now are said to be completely asymptomatic. none of them are showing symptoms of ebola. the army says it is doing this out of an abundance of caution, but this is really way beyond what the pentagon had even laid out as the steps for those having no symptoms for when they come back from their duty assignments. >> barbara starr, thank you very much for that. the test results on the 5-year-old boy in bellevue hospital, miguel marquez is there with that. what have we learned, miguel? >> fortunately they're negative for now. the young boy and his mother will remain here at bellevue and he'll undergo more tests in the days ahead to make sure that it remains negative. for now he'll stay in the same containment and isolation unit at bellevue. they came in sunday, on and he began to get sick and they

brought him here. the one thing that the cdc and the mayor said that it did not appear that his symptoms were like ebola. he apparently seemed to have the vomiting and the diarrhea first, then the fever came on, it came when he came to the hospital. so they didn't think it was ebola, but because they want to be completely cautious, they tested him. they'll keep him here for further tests to make sure that he's completely ebola-free. >> what's the latest on dr. craig spencer? >> he remains here at bellevue as well in serious but stable condition. he's had a plasma transfusion from nancy writebol who survived the ebola, who you interviewed and who survived ebola. he's also -- his symptoms have begun to get worse, but he is remaining in a stable condition, so they think that he took the plasma well, and they're hopeful that he'll eventually survive. >> miguel, i appreciate that update.

i'll talk to nancy writebol and her husband david who are the missionaries from liberia. nancy did test positive for ebola, she was treated at emory university and he's recovered fully and has been able to donate her plasma. i'll talk to her about that process in a few minutes. the cdc announced new guidelines including voluntary home quarantine for the people at the highest risk for infection. that includes health care workers who suffer a needle stick while caring for an ebola patient or who treated someone while not in protective gear. most would only need daily monitoring, not isolation. contrast that with what nurse kaci hickox encountered. she was taken from newark airport to a hospital where she was in a tent even though she showed no symptoms whatsoever. tonight after an outcry from

experts adviser governor cuomo and president obama, the nurse was allowed to leave the hospital and continue her quarantine at home in maine. more from jim acosta. >> reporter: the white house today slammed governors chris christie and andrew cuomo for going too far in their new quarantine policy. christie first offered no apologies. >> i think this is a policy that will become national sooner rather than later. >> reporter: but then he freed nurse hickox after she protested her continement in a tent. >> why do you say i'm reversing? she had any symptoms in 24 hours and she tested negative for ebola, so there's no reason to keep her. >> reporter: white house officials refused to say whether they were ever consulted. >> i'm not going to be in a position to detail all of the phone calls. >> reporter: and they would not say whether the nurse's rights were violated. >> per service and commitment to this cause is something that should be honored and respected. i don't think we do that by

making her live in a tent for two or three days. >> reporter: despite new cdc guidelines on how to deal with those returning health care workers, the obama administration is leaving it up to the states, some already stepping forward to come up with their own policies. >> they can do that. >> subject to the laws of these individual states. what we hope and what we think has been true in the vast majority of circumstances is that these kinds of policy decisions should be driven by science. >> reporter: jim acosta joins us from the white house. that -- i mean, isn't what's happening inside the pentagon only adding to this confusion? >> it really is. you heard barbara starr talk about what the army is doing, the extraordinary steps the army is taking. that is separate and apart from an overarching quarantine policy that the pentagon is looking at right now. the pentagon has not made a decision on that. the white house said that they're anticipating that secretary of defense chuck hagel will announce that policy when

they get to it. all these states with these different ebola quarantine policies, you potentially have a real hodgepodge. >> where is the so-called ebola czar, ron mcklain. >> he's really not been in front of the cameras at all. we've not seen him publicly since he came on the job next wednesday. he's expected to go to the cdc this week to talk to officials down there. but today was one of those cases where you have all these different states saying what do we do and the cdc coming out with new guidelines which fall short of what new york and new jersey tried to accomplish, then the white house acknowledged that the cdc doesn't really have the enforcement capacity to make these states adopt the new guidelines. this is a case in point where an ebola response officer could come out and calm things down and say, okay, this is what we're going to do, but at this

point they're just not using ron klain in this capacity. his response will be addressing these agencies. we won't see him that much publicly. >> the state of georgia also announced new guidelines. i want to dig deeper into the question of whether routinely quarantining health care workers or troops coming into this contain will do more or less to contain the threat of ebola in west africa or ultimately here at home. because that's the most important thing, containing the outbreak in the united states and in west africa. that's the only way to finally keep us safe. executive director of doctors without borders or msf, medecins sans frontieres. thank you for being with us. doctors without borders does extraordinary work, i've worked with them a lot over the years. why from a science standpoint does this quarantine make no sense? >> we're not just concerned about the quaurnt even, we're totally opposed to it. three main reasons for that.

the first is that it's not based on medical science. we've learned about experience that the most effective way to tackle infective disease like hiv is transparency, is education. the population need to be informed about the risk. they need to be in a capacity to protect themselves. and the quarantine is actually misguided and providing the false sense of security. >> you're saying it's not based on science because somebody who has no symptoms of ebola cannot transmit the virus. >> exactly. so quarantine of a healthy aid worker who presents no symptoms is not -- does not present a danger to society. the second concern is that because it creates the perception that the person is a threat, a danger to the community it contributes to stigmatization. and more importantly, we already know that it will inevitably

lead to disincentive for aid workers to respond to outbreak at its source where it has to be tackled. ebola is spiking. >> it's going up? >> it's going up. it's been declared in every sipgle district in sierra leone, in liberia, we need more assistance there. there has been huge commitments in the month of september by the international community including the united states, but those commitments have not been translated into action yet. >> this is incredible. we really should focus on this right now because for all the talk about how this is a global emergency what you're saying is on the ground in guinea the numbers are still going up. in fact it's spiked and it's still out of control in all these other places. so for all the promises of aid and money, the bottom line is this thing is still out of control even though now you guys

at doctors without borders have been raising red flags for months now. >> because it takes time, because it's very difficult to tackle this outbreak and because the main constraints to responding to ebola is human resources. >> getting people, nurses, doctors. >> getting people. and this is why we're so concerned about these measures because they will slow down the response where it is most needed. we need additional resources for more bed treatments for contact tracing, for taking care of -- lack of care givers. so anything that would demotivate aid workers to go and response to the outbreak in west africa actually have the opposite effect. >> you have no doubt that this is going to make some aid workers say, look, i just can't -- not only can i -- it's already sacrifice to take off three months commitment to doctors without borders and risk

my life to take off an additional 21 days when i get back and have people point fingers at me like i'm some sort of criminal and put me in a tent, you have no doubt that will cut down on the number of people willing to go? >> it's not an assumption. we're already experiencing it. >> you're already seeing that. >> yes, because when we ask people to stay between nine to 12 months. in the ebola outbreak we manage to keep people for five, six weeks already. because of the demanding nature of the work and because we need some very specific trained -- >> you're rotating hundreds of people through and you need more volunteers. >> we need more people constantly. and the announcement of home quarantine by the state authorities has already had an impact on the field. it's been received negatively. people don't want to go through these measures. they know this disease. they've witnessed firsthand the suffering of the patients and their family. the last thing they want to do

when they come back home is to infect their loved ones and the population, but still, they consider that these measures are totally inappropriate and unnecessary. >> i know you're not about bashing politicians or getting into the politics of this, but let me just say for politicians in new york and new jersey to say, my number one concern is keeping the people of new york and new jersey safe, if you really want to keep the people in new york and new jersey safe, you got to defeat this in liberia and sierra leone and guinea. that may not play politically all that well but unless this is defeated over there, it's never going to be safe here because people are still -- it still can move around. so the key is doing everything possible to get as many health care workers over there dealing with this. it seems to me that simple. >> absolutely. and at the same time we perfectly understand the anxiety of the population, but we believe there are ways to address it, like reinforcing the

monet other, if transmission is linked to symptoms then the best way to prevent transmission is to enhance the monetary. >> if you stigmatize this and you say you're going to be quarantined automatically, it will have the opposite effect. it will make people less likely to go to the hospital when they first get a fever, more likely to say i'm going to wait a couple days and maybe my fever will go down rather than risk, you know, having fingers pointed at you and being locked up. >> this is our concern indeed. >> sophie, i'm a huge -- again, i just think doctors without borders does extraordinary work, particularly in this epidemic, thank you for being on. >> thank you so much, anderson. >> make sure you set your dvr, you can watch 360 whenever you like. nancy writebol got ebola, fought

it, beat it. she joins us with her husband dave. >> when you think about all the people that helped us, dr. brantly and myself, to survive, just giving back part of our plasma is just a way that we can say thank you for what was done for us.

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he's at the point where patients lose enormous quantities of bodily fluid. nurse nancy writebol has been medically where dr. spencer is right now and she's with him more than just spiritually. she donated plasma that dr. spencer has received in the hopes that her antibodies will help stop his infection. just one way that people who have already sacrificed their time, safety and health in the battle against ebola continue the mission. i spoke yesterday with nancy writebol and her husband david. you've been ebola-free for ten weeks now. how are you feeling? >> i'm doing great, thank you, anderson. it's just great to be feeling so much better. >> i wonder, nancy, what you think when you heard about kaci hickox's isolation. she didn't have running water for a shower or flushable toilet. they wouldn't let her see her lawyer even after she tested negative. >> well, i think that's a real problem for us to be putting health care workers or those

from west africa into isolation when they're not symptomatic. i think that it would be wiser if we had them being monitored by health care officials here in the state, but still, as i said, being monitored but not in isolation. i felt for her, anderson. >> david, how about you? seems to me these nurses, these doctors, i mean, they're doing extraordinary work, what you guys were doing in liberia with dr. brantly, dr. sacra and all the nurses and doctors who are willingly jeopardizing their own lives to try to stop this outbreak in liberia, in guinea, in sierra leone, and it seems like a lot of people are pointing fingers at them when they come back as if they've done something wrong. >> yeah, i can relate to that. in the days after i came back from liberia and being in

isolation, not being symptomatic, i understand the concern of that, the concern for that, but if they're not symptomatic, then they're being treated as though they've done something wrong and they wouldn't want to do it again. and that has to be taken into consideration. and i think it's somewhat unproductive if we're not going to help our health care workers and make it possible for them to volunteer, then we're not going to get in front of this thing and it will just prolong the outbreak. >> david, i know you and nancy have said, you'd be willing perhaps to return to liberia or somewhere else. would a quaquarantine, would th be something that might affect your decision? >> well, it certainly would, because you have to think about, okay, i have to spend an extra amount of time under those conditions and not be able to return to our families. and there's a cost involved in

that. not only a cost personally to ourselves as a family, but also a cost to those that have to provide the place for the quarantine, the tent and all of the other equipment that this nurse had to have, somebody had to pay for that. >> nancy and david, you both in your own way right now continue to fight this virus by speaking out, by trying to educate people. and nancy, you've also taken another step, which is to help dr. craig spencer who is fighting ebola right now at bellevue hospital. i understand you were able to give him a transfusion of your plasma. when you found out you were a match, because i know you have a rare blood type and you weren't able to do this for others though you had volunteered to do it. what did you think when you found out you were a match? >> well, i have to tell you i'm very grateful to be able to help and to be able to give -- you

know, when you think about all the people that helped us, dr. brantly and myself, to survive, just giving back part of our plasma is just a way that we can say thank you for what was done for us. >> and finally, nancy, to folks out there who are understandably fearful and may be acting out of fear or based on fear on how they treat other people, what would you say to them right now who are listening? >> well, i think one of the important things we have to remember is not to panic, and to not prejudge people, and to make sure that you're educated on how ebola is contracted and, you know, just to not panic. i think our country right now is just living in fear, and i don't

think that's really necessary. i think the important thing is that we take precautions and for health care workers to be educated and trained and then to do what they have been educated and trained in doing. >> nancy and david, always a pleasure to talk to you. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thanks, anderson. more now with our medical and legal panel because the news tonight concerns public policy as well as medicine. dr. sanjay gupta has seen ebola up close in guinea. former cdc detective dr. seema yasmin and with us senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin. do you share the concerns of the writebols with how her treatment could affect other health care workers going to africa to fight this epidemic? >> this has caused outrage in the medical community here in the u.s., some of the biggest names in infectious disease and public health has signed on to a

strongly worded petition from the infectious disease society of america and two other huge health care associations in the u.s., they're outraged about how this nurse was treated and the potential that it has to hinder the outbreak response in west africa. and also the stigma that is then associated with returning health care workers could really actually threaten the public health of people here in america if they don't stop the outbreak and if we don't treat returning health care workers and troops with dignity. >> i'll talk to an hiv/aids activist in our 9:00 hour on 360 who said this is like the early days of hiv/aids fears and the stig mmatization of people that had that then. the guidelines they're not even enforceable. >> these are guidelines. the cdc is making these recommendations. the cdc doesn't have any sort of mandate power within the states. that's why some of the states look at these guidelines, follow

them, some other states decide to go beyond them. it can be very different. now be have a situation as you've been talking about where you have two government agencies, one, the cdc and one the department of defense having sort of different approaches to this. so it's not enforceable and doesn't seem to be consistent either. >> in terms of the law regarding kaci hickox, this nurse, i know there are policies to protect people from communicable diseases. could new jersey keep someone showing no symptoms in isolation any longer? could the government just say we think you're a threat to people and we're going to lock you up even though you have no symptoms? >> absolutely not. and i think that's why governor christie backed down is because he knew that if kaci hickox went to court -- and she was getting ready to go to court -- no court would keep her locked up in that tent without proof that she was communicable. she had a communicable disease.

yes, it's true that states have laws that say communicable -- people with communicable diseases can be quarantined, but only if they're contagious. she's not contagious. there's no doubt that a judge would have freed her had this gone to court. >> dr. yasmin, some point to the cdc doctor who went to a local restaurant while under quarantine or dr. spencer who wasn't quarantined but went bowling before he developed a fever. to them you say what? >> the issue here is that these public health experts and these physicians and nurses are really public health heroes, they're doing what very few of us are doing, they're going to south africa, stopping the outbreak there. there are guidelines that kaci said she was going to follow, those are guidelines set by doctors without borders that she would have self-monitored at

home for 21 days. when we put people in quarantine when they don't have any symptoms it sends a message that they're a threat to public health when they're not. that will hinder the outbreak response. >> i'm getting tweets from people who say we don't know enough about ebola to say for sure that someone cannot spread it just because they don't have a fever of 101.4. >> there are a lot of people who do know a lot more about ebola. the doctors without borders. they've been doing this for a long time. they have guidelines. not like they haven't thought this through. they say guidelines are neither recommended nor warranted. it doesn't do any good. it provides a false sense of security here. it doesn't do any good in terms of protecting the public health. one thing that just reminded to me when jeff was talking, person who was a carrier, for example, which means they can be healthy and still transmitting the virus. people think of typhoid mary. she never got sick of typhoid,

but she was a cook and transferred the pathogen to lots of people. they had to put her under a mandated quarantine. people don't carry ebola the same way. you're sick before you start to spread it. so it's a very different scenario. i bring that up only because people are co-mingling all these different terms and facts. there are people who have done it for a long time, doctors without borders, they're probably a pretty good group to listen to. >> people would be surprised there is no federal quarantine law. the only ones that exist are at the state level. >> that's right. that's why the cdc is releasing guidelines, not requirements because there is no federal law that says we can tell all 50 states to impose the following requirements. these guidelines seem reasonable. they come from experts, but ultimately this is up to all 50 states individually and, as we've seen, there are different rules and the states themselves are evolving their rules.

new york has suddenly changed its rules. new jersey apparently is changing its rules. but that's not on the federal government. that's on the states. >> jeffrey, sanjay, dr. yasmin, thank you very much. there's so much that we need to focus on about that and continuing confusion about ebola especially in light of the new stateguidelines. we have a panel of doctors that will take your questions. tweet us # ebola q&a. all spelled out. we have new details tonight about how police say the gunman set up his victims.

breaking news. disturbing new details in the deadly shooting at a washington state high school. police now say the gunman set up his victims with a text asking them to meet him in the cafeteria. his classmates including two of his own cousins were sitting at a table presumably waiting for him when he opened fire. one died a tt scene the others were rushed to the hospitals all with gunshot wounds to the head.

another died over the weekend. she was just 14 and a freshman. the three surviving victims remain hospitalized, two in critical condition. the community in marysville, washington, is struggling with the loss, obviously, and also with disbelief. by all accounts the gunman, a popular athlete, defied every preconception about school shooters. what more do we know about the level of premeditation that may have gone into this? >> well, it appears, anderson, the gunman took a number of calculated steps leading up to the shooting rampage here on friday. we learned from the homish sheriff here that he invited several victims to sit at a lunchtable in the cafeteria in the moments before he walked in and opened fire at their backs. we learned that from the sheriff. we also learned from a law enforcement source that he sent a selfie of himself holding a gun to his ex-girlfriend shortly

before the rampage here on friday. now, as far as a motive, that remains unclear, anderson, we've been speaking to officials as well as those who came out here to pay their respects, those that knew the victims. we learned that there was some sort of family dispute. one friend of the victim said that his cousin was dating his ex-girlfriend, he may have been upset about that. but at this point there's just really no concrete explanation or motive to explain the gunman's actions here at school last friday. >> i'll talk to a relative of his in a moment. he was very close to pretty much everybody at that table from what i understand. what's the latest on the condition of the victims? >> that's right. he targeted his best friends, his family. this is what makes it all the more baffling, anderson. in fact, two of his cousins remain in the hospital at this hour. we know one is this critical condition, another is in critical condition and then his other cousin is in satisfactory condition. the one that is in satisfactory

condition, we've learned is now up, he's able to walk, he's able to talk. but he still has a lot to go through. more operations. and, of course, the other ones, as i point out, in critical condition. and we've learned overnight that there was a second victim that died. so now two have been killed and three remain in the hospital, anderson. >> so sad. as we said two of the shooting victims remain in critical condition. a 14-year-old girl and 15-year-old boy who is the cousin of the shooter. the boys were extremely close. the tragedy makes no sense whatsoever. nate's grandfather joins me tonight. thank you for joining us. i know you visited your grandson nate at the hospital earlier today. how is he doing? >> he's doing tremendously. probably the biggest one is i went back to see him and he was walking down the hallway.

and the nurse holding his arm. and just, you know, you know, there's so many things that come in their life that you don't expect this fast, you know. yesterday he was talking. today he's walking. and that's just tremendous. >> does he remember what happened? >> he remembers, you know, the gun being pointed at him and, you know, him just freezing and just the other two getting shot. you know. i think things are coming closer to him. the healing is the easy part, the memories of everything and the friendship that he had with these cousins is going to be the toughest part. >> i saw a tweet that he sent out forgiving the shooter for doing this. his cousin. and technically he was his cousin but you say they were more like brothers. >> yes, yes. in fact, the other one, the one

that got shot down in seattle, andrew fryberg, all three were kind of inseparable. if the two -- you seen three of them together, but the two, it could have been andrew and jaylen or nate and jaylen. it was always the two of them together or three of them together. >> i understand also that nate has told you or told the friends about one of the teachers and about some of the heroic things that she did. >> yes. and how she did this right there. everybody else run away. she ran to. and really made things happen. and when they said that on tv, i didn't believe it. but here's my grandson saying that was right there in the middle of the action that she was it. and she's, i feel, is a hero's hero. >> the shooter's grandfather and you were first cousins. so that's the relation --

>> we are. >> how are you doing with this. >> yes. >> it's your grandson who was shot and yet also you have this other link to the boy who shot himself and others? >> well, i went earlier -- i think it was sunday morning -- saturday morning, and went and talked to my cousin and his family and talked to him about we're praying for them because they lost a grandson, too. nobody knows why this happened. because we can point the fingers every which way, but i don't think there's anything we can point the finger at the grandfather and the grandmother or the mom and dad. and we just have to forge ahead. >> i know you're a former school board president and i know your community is very close. the tribe is, obviously, all suffering through this together. did you ever believe something like this could happen in your former school district? >> sure, sure, i did. you know, it can happen

anywhere. and we just have to take care of it. we have to be more vigilant on the children and watch what happens. because sometimes we close our eyes and plug our ears over things that are out there. it takes a village to raise a child, but sometimes nobody wants to be the village. everybody wants to play on the side role and not do nothing. let somebody else do it. and we in our communities, whether it's in the united states or across the world, that we need to do better job with our children. otherwise we're going to see more and more of this. >> i'm so glad that your grandson is on the mend and walking and talking, and i wish you well. thank you for talking to us. >> okay, thank you. >> just ahead tonight, more breaking news, a new propaganda video from isis is different from all the others. they've released a british hostage who says he's in kobani near turkey's border.

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isis has released new propaganda video featuring british hostage john cantly. we're very careful to not give too much air time to isis propaganda. it is important for you to see and hear some of it because of what cantley says he might be. listen. >> hello. i'm john cantley. and today we're in the city of kobani on the syrian/turkish border. that is, in fact, turkey right behind me. >> whether that's true or not, it's strange to see this production value, almost like he's working as a reporter. kobani is a key city in northern syria that's been under siege for weeks. this is the first video from isis that wasn't shot in the desert. it lasted under five minutes. mr. cantley was captured in 2012 with nick foley.

james payton walsh joins us now. he's roeporting for his life an that's what makes it so surreal. >> it's chilling to watch because of the sophistication of the technique but this is a man who is a war reporter and has been a hostage and he's doing this under duress or psychological he's endured. he wants to counter western propaganda saying that isis is really mopping up the territory that they've taken there. the fighting is slim compared to the explosions we've been hearing on an almost daily basis. he goes on to point out there is no western media, therefore we shouldn't be believing their media, the kurdish officials and the white house officials are suggesting that isis is losing ground rather than gaining ground. >> it look like drone video of kobani. it is possible that isis

actually has a drone? >> very much so. easy technology to come by. online, frankly. yes, it does seem that they've flown a drone over. then use quite sophisticated graphics to point out key landmarks and where john cantley actually speaks. two things, perhaps isis' way of responding to the latest technology that's been dropping munitions on them. this is perhaps an area where they're adept, social media, high definition video, surprising people with the chilling nature of the kind of messages they're able to put online. it answers the question many have been asking, how important is kobani to isis. we know it's important to the syrian kurds. we know it's becoming increasingly symbolic to the coalition? does it matter to isis? they've put a lot of effort to get this right and put it online and that suggests they're in this fight for the longer haul. >> this is also particularly chilling given "the new york times" recent reporting just yesterday about the torture

which jim foley and others sustained while in captivity before they were killed. so who knows what's been done to this poor hostage. what else does he talk about in the video? >> he talks a lot about how the city seems to be much more in isis control. his focus is much more encountering what they consider to be western propaganda about how that fight is going. he talks about how the nearly half a billion in coalition fighting, they can't use hev armor now but claps they're using light armor. it's about them using clearly distressed man under duress to put their message forward in english and in that way it is chillingly sophisticated. >> nick paton walsh, appreciate your reporting. susan hendricks is here with a bulletin. south african prosecutors will appeal the sentence given to oscar pistorius for killing

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a lot of breaking news on ebola and the heated debate over how best to stop it in this country. at issue, whether quarantining all health care workers coming back from west africa is simply playing it safe or could actually be self-defeating. there's a lot of discussion, a lot of mixed messages. people with concerns and plenty of unfounded fear. new cnn polling just out tonight showed that 93% of americans do not believe that a family member

will be infected over the next few weeks. makes sense. sounds hopeful. the flip side is that 7%, that's millions of people all across the country believe it will happen to their family and that someone close to them will catch the virus, something medical experts say is really, truly extremely unlikely. no public official wants to be a person who could have stopped a case of ebola. that's the backdrop. that's why a nurse arriving last week in newark airport was put immediately into isolation even though she showed no signs of infection from the illness. the confro versial guidelines in new york and new jersey mandated it. today they were relaxed. today georgia imposed guidelines of their own. so we begin this hour with the debate and jim acosta. >> reporter: the white house today slammed governors chris christie and andrew cuomo for going too far in their new

quarantine policy. christie first offered no apologies. >> this is a policy that will become a national policy sooner rather than later. >> reporter: but then he freed nancy hickox after she protested. >> why did you say i reversed the decision? if she continued to be ill. she had no symptoms for 24 hours and she tested negative for ebola. >> reporter: white house officials refuse to say whether they were ever consulted. >> i'm not going to be in a position to detail all of the phone calls. >> reporter: and they would not say whether the nurse's rights were violated. >> her service and commitment to this cause is something that should be honored and respected. i don't think we do that by making her live in a tent for two or three days. >> reporter: despite new cdc guidelines on how to deal with returning health care workers, the obama administration is leaving it up to the states to come up with their own policies.

>> subject to the laws of these individual states. what we hope and what we think has been true in the vast majority of circumstances is that these kinds of policy decisions should be driven by science. >> jim acosta joins us from the white house. yet the pentagon seems to have their own policy here. >> that's right. the army decided that they wanted to at least put sort of a quarantine situation some soldiers returning from west africa. that's happening right now. separately and apart from that, the pentagon is looking at an overarching quarantine policy, all of that adding to the confusion that you see coming from the states, the situation where you might have 50 states with 50 different ebola quaurnt even policies. the cdc tried to come out with guidelines earlier today to try to show a shining light to these states. you have governors who just want to go farther than the federal government and the white house acknowledged earlier today they

really don't have the power or the capacity to force these states to follow the cdc guidelines. it will be a patchwork, hodgepodge approach from this white house. >> more on the science and controversy of public health challenges such as this one. challenges coming from governor cuomo's advisers, 12, part of the hiv/aids task force signed a letter protesting the governor's ebola policies. peter staley is one of those 12 and he's an activist from the documentary "how to survive a plague." i read that you were disgusted by governor cuomo's policies on ebola. >> 24 hours before he sat down to announce this quarantine policy, he was sitting on a stage with our mayor of new york city, our health commissioner, and i was so proud to see new york state and new york city

reacting calmly and with servitude as to how they were going to deal with their first case of ebola. it made me very proud to be a new yorker. then less than this hours later he hitches his train to the christie camp and a policy that aids activists knew in their heart had no support from the scientific community. so we knew that politics was trumping science. >> you have no doubt this was about politics, that he wanted to look like he was doing something, he wanted to get praise from people in new york, so he was doing this. because the science does not back him up at all. >> exactly. that's why the epidemiologist association has come out against this, tony fauci. how can you fight an epidemic if each state tries to set up its own policy and says it's no longer listening to the cdc?

that's craziness. and we as aids activists saw how politics and fear and stigma can have hugely negative repercussions. we lived through that. >> what's interesting, too, is you're actually on governor cuomo's hiv -- aids task force, which is -- you're one of the activists that has been named to that. for you and others who are on that to now be pointing the finger at the governor and criticizing him, that comes with some risk. >> he's got a great record now on being a forward thinker on hiv/aids. and he's asking us for advice on how to push back a disease that has flourished because of stigma and hatred and fear. how can we give him advice on doing that with hiv/aids when we can't trust him to do the right thing on ebola? >> it's really interesting from your perspective that you really

link this to the early days of hiv/aids, in terms of the stigma and in terms of the way people were treated. >> it was a very frightening time and a time in our history where politics trumped science, and we paid dearly for that. >> and you hope it doesn't happen again. >> exactly. and i feel, we feel, you know, some real unity with the survivors of ebola and those who are suffering from it and the frontline health care workers who are like our doctors who took care of us in the dark days. we feel real solidarity with them and we're going to fight tore them. >> peter staley, thanks very much. >> thanks. breaking news, university of maryland medical center in baltimore releasing very few details about a patient being evaluated for a possible ebola infection. in new york, word of the 5-year-old boy who was taken to new york's bellevue hospital and tested for exposure of the virus, good news. this evening his preliminary

results came back. details from miguel marquez at the hospital. he's okay as far as we know, right? >> at the moment he is okay, negative on the first test. he and his mother remain here in isolation at bellevue hospital. the hospital said he'll undergo more tests. they want to make sure 100%, 110% really that he's free of ebola. >> and i talked to nancy writebol, the missionary from liberia who survived ebola. she's donated plasma to dr. craig spencer who is at bellevue. how is he doing? >> yeah, he's also here. and he's doing better. over the weekend he started, the hospital saying that he started into the worst symptoms of ebola, the gastrointestinal type symptoms. so he was starting to develop that. he did take to the plasma transfusion that he had from nancy writebol. now they say he's looking a little better. still in serious but stable condition and they're hoping that with that plasma

transfusion, that he'll get through this. >> his fiancee who was at the hospital, she's returned home, right? >> she was here at the hospital in isolation with him for some time. she has been returned home. the two friends that he had substantial contact, they remained as well as his fiancee, in quarantine at their homes checking in every day. but at this point they're back home and able to enjoy life a little easier. >> miguel marquez, appreciate the update. quick reminder, make sure you can set your dvr. you can watch 360 whenever you want. they're answering their questions on ebola. tweet us at # ebola qanda. new jersey relaxes their quarantine rules, the u.s. military is tightening them. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night,nd. and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24,

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unprecedented action by the pentagon. jim acosta and i touched upon it. they're building facilities to fight ebola. i asked barbara starr about it in the first hour of the program tonight and what her sources are saying about the new policy. exactly how is the army planning to deal with soldiers and others returning from serving in liberia or guinea or sierra leone? >> the u.s. military took an extraordinary step today and ordered that all soldiers

returning from west africa will go into what they're calling controlled monitoring what the rest of us might call a 21-day quarantine. housed separately. temperature will be monitored. they'll not be allowed to see their families. they'll have to stay inside during that 21-day period. already two-star general general darrell williams and about a dozen of his folks just back from africa are undergoing this monitoring, this quarantine in italy at their home base now the store opened to all u.s. army troops doing this. and general williams and his team right now are said to be completely asymptomatic. none of them are showing symptoms of ebola. the army says it is doing this out of an abundance of caution, but this is really way beyond what the pentagon had even laid out as the steps for those having no symptoms for when they come back from their duty assignments. >> barbara starr, thank you very much for that. as you've been seeing from the

pentagon, from medical authorities, elected officials, political pundits and more, there's a lot of confusion. there is the risk that people will throw l hands up. saying there are no answers. we want to lay that to rest. joining us now dr. sanjay gupta, also arthur caplan, director at the langon medical center and director of the national center for disaster preparedness and is advising mayor bill de blasio on disaster preparedness. let's get to viewer questions. this one from twitter. why is it okay to quarantine our soldiers in vicenza italy but not okay to quarantine returning health officials in the usa? >> i would say they don't need it and the guys coming back from italy don't need it either in the sense they're not symptomatic. >> they're not even treating patients. >> they're building buildings probably about 200 miles away from where the actual outbreaks

are. the army has a different set of rules. the army probably tells you what to do and tells you where to eat. i have to say in quarantining them or isolating them, i notice they're going to stay on base, they have a gym, they have food. it is not the same as we saw with the nurse in jersey who was told, no water, no shower, it's a tent, it's a hospital bed. it's not -- you know, what are we doing to our citizens here? >> interesting for the government, for people to think about it just like this, does anybody want the government to be able to just point their finger at anybody and say, you're not sick but we think maybe you will be sick and you may spread that sickness to someone else so we are going to just lock you up because we think it's possible you might get sick? that's the scary thing. >> that's a pretty scary stance to be taking. by the way, we don't do it with the flu, we don't do it with the measles, we don't do it with the mumps. we say to people you can still decide if you want to get vaccinated or not even though

your kid may be infectious and kill baby and kill others. there's something about ebola that has gotten a little out of control. i'm okay with the military doing what it needs to do. i'm concerned that for people showing no symptoms there's no need to quarantine them. >> the mixed messages between civilian and military authorities, they seem to be making an already confusing situation more confusing. >> yeah, it makes the fear a little bit worse and people's faith in the systems get more challenged. you have the states doing one thing. you have the military doing something else. and the cdc which is the most siptific based is doing something else and they're the most relied on science and also the least enforceable because the cdc can't make any of these mandates the way the states and the military can. what you were following up with art, the military can do what it

wants is true, but the problem is it does send a very confusing message. the message becomes even more muddled. not a zero sum game. there's some harm from having these confusing messages. >> another viewer question, from becky on facebook. i'm wondering whether all hospitals are equipped with appropriate protective suits or are only certain hospitals prepared? >> this is a big issue, anderson. what first happened was we designated some national hospitals, emory, nih, university of nebraska and we started bearing down on this and we have eight hospitals in new york state that's been identified by the state health department as appropriate hospitals, five in new york city. but the problem is there's 5,000 hospitals in the u.s. how far down the line are we going to go? because you can't really expect that we'll never, ever see somebody walking into a small hospital in upstate new york or somewhere else and what level of preparedness do they have to have? and it's expensive and a lot of these hospitals can't afford it. you need training, protective

equipment, supplies. even doctors' offices for that matter. once you start going down the slippery slope, you are putting demands on the health care system that many hospitals are not ready for. >> they've now upped the guidelines for the personal protective gear you need. early on the cdc said you needed, your neck wasn't covered, other parts of the body weren't covered, that's what the hospital in dallas was using, clearly not good enough. >> the other thing, just to quickly add, you got to train on this stuff. >> repeatedly. >> you've got to do it repeatedly. i'm not sure the hospital is going to be up to snuff if they're not working the equipment every week. >> another viewer question. from twitter. sanjay, what is happening with duncan's family. extreme exposure but none have come down with ebola. is there a medical explanation? it's not just the direct family but the more than 40 people came in contact with him. that seems to be a bright spot in all this. >> one thing that bears

reminding, even with a potential contamination when someone's infected with bodily fluids, doesn't mean for sure you're going to get ebola. the chances are that you won't get an ebola even if you have a direct contamination. that's one thing to keep in mind. he apparently went to the hospital. he had symptoms for two to three more days before he went back into the hospital. during those two to three days he was with his family and none of them got sick. it could be in part because he wasn't as sick as he was going to get ultimately. that could be part of it. the sicker you get, the more infectious you become. the other thing is we weren't probably actively caring for him the way the two nurses, nina pham and amber vinson were. the nurses that cared for somebody when they're most risk, they're at the highest risk. >> i talked to louise, the mother of his son who is in college, she said that he was taking care of himself. she had no contact with his bodily fluids. he would go into the bathroom

and take care of himself even though they were sleeping in the same bed and he was sweating through the night. >> the need for research. we don't know why some people get and some people don't get ebola. that was a very significant story that those contacts all are fine. why are they fine? i think we're in this environment where we're cutting back on funds. we don't actually know a lot of answers about ebola. i wish we did. we'll need a lot more answers when we look at the more scaled up antivirals. >> people hear we don't know a lot of answers about ebola, then they say how do we know that someone's not contagious unless they have a fever of 104.4 and stuff? >> one reason we know it is we've had 40 years of ebola. this isn't the first time it appeared, so we don't know how to cure it and we don't have a vaccine to prevent it. but we do have a ton of experience in africa with previous outbreaks. we know who got sick and who

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welcome back. with ebola news breaking all day and this evening including another possible case in baltimore, although that very much needs to be determined by testing, the virus clearly remains front and center. plenty of coverage but also mixed messages and a whole lot of questions including yours. we're answering them right now, dr. sanjay gupta and art caplan. jeremy on facebook says what's the chances of surviving ebola if caught early? >> we've known for some nearly four decades of looking at these outbreaks that people who did have the infection caught early tended to do better. we're seeing that play out in the united states as well. admittedly in very small numbers. you want to study this sort of thing, but all the patients who have had their ebola caught early has done well. all have survived. mr. duncan, he died, he went two to three days after having symptoms before he was finally

admitted to the hospital. some got blood transfusions which could have played a role, some got experimental medications, which could have played a role. we don't know yet but early detection does seem to make a difference. >> the capacity to rehydrate people. >> the supplemental treatment. >> they get very dehydrated. this is much more difficult to obtain in ebola countries than it is here in the u.s. but for those patients lucky enough in guinea and liberia, et cetera, who have gotten that earl treatment as san yea is saying but the right treatment, keeping them hydrated probable gives them the edge as well. >> that's why it's so important that medical personnel is there to do that. a lot of people asking you about the ebola vaccine. >> it's a couple months away. it has to be tested and scaled up into production that could really deal with this epidemic. we've been fighting ebola in africa with basically

100-year-old public health strategies. and hopefully we'll have a vaccine and also antiviral medications all coming out of the science here. as soon as we have that at scale and it's safe, i think we'll see some rapid progress. but we really need to hurry this up. because the longer it takes to get that vaccine in production out there and vaccinating people, the harder it is going to -- >> that raises ethical questions. you have this vaccine. if it hasn't been widely tested in animals or in humans do you distribute it given the emergency? >> in the middle of the epidemic, given the death rate in liberia, sierra leone, you'll see these things move much more quickly than they normally would. i think we'll have med since probably tested for safety, 200 people, vaccines similarly, but i think you'll see them roll out. the people in those countries will say, let's try it because our death rate, 70%, we're a

mess. we're willing to take those risks. >> art, a question from twitter. why did cdc not revise guidelines till now? cnn reported about ebola in guinea a month ago. it shouldn't be a great surprise. >> we've had people on the front line, med since sans frontiers, the medical groups fighting ebola in africa, they've got a sense of what the equipment is and the training is. cdc might have been behind in its understanding of the equipment. that was a problem because it leads again to public distrust. what's the right equipment? don't they know? they tell us they can't get infected, they tell us they know what they're doing, yet there's no agreement on standards. >> if ebola's so hard to catch, how did it become such a big problem. hard to believe all those people had direct contact with other people's bodily fluids. great question. >> it is a great question. and the answer is all those people did have contact with

infected bodily fluids. we're talking over 10,000 people have had infections now with ebola in those three countries. so there's a fascinating concept, something known as an are not. you don't have to remember the term but it's a way to gauge how contagious one is. the measles the r-not is 15 with ebola it's 1 1/2 to 2. if you're infected with ebola and you get sick, you'll spread it to 1 1/2 to two other people. and those numbers have been pretty consistent with what we saw in west africa for a time. >> it's important to point out if someone gets sick in a small village in liberia, there's not many doctors in the country to begin with, not many hospitals they can go to. they probably go to a traditional healer in their

village, they're taken care of by their large extended family. if they die, at the funeral, through tradition, people lay hands on the body and are part of the burial. it's not like somebody dying here in the united states where they're immediately whisked away, they're dressed up, nobody's touching the body and taking pictures with the body, gather around the body. it's an entirely different reality of life where you have much more contact with people who are sick, with people who have died. >> yeah, there's no question. i can tell you i saw this firsthand, just to build on what you're saying. a lot of times there was a real concern about going to any kind of medical establishment or going to see the doctor when you were sick. it wasn't as if the doctors were showing up with some sort of treatment or some sort of magic possession that they cou potion that they could give to the people. when the health care team showed up in their haz-mat suits all it

meant to these people was people were going to die. that's what they represented. so did they want to go see them? no. did they stay home? yes. did they then as a result of staying home when they were sick infect their family members? yes. you have heartbreaking stories of entire families and communities getting infected and dying for those reasons. it's really heartbreaking. but doesn't change the way you transmit the virus. it just changes that people who are getting infected. >> of course, the other reality is if it's just happening in small rural out of the way villages there's a built-in limit to how far it can spread. >> which traditionally is what's happened with ebola. >> now we have the cities involved. tremendous overcrowding. cities built for 300,000 people have a million and a half people. the overcrowding is very significant and the contacts are significant. we're thinking about very high rates of nonreporting of this disease for the reason that sanjay is saying. there's probably many more than

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disturbing new details in the deadly school shooting outside seattle. the gunman actually set up his vips with a text asking them to meet him in the cafeteria. his classmates including two of his own cousins were sitting at a tably from sumably waiting for him when he opened fire. over the weekend a second victim die pd the three survivors remain hospitalized tonight two in critical condition. the gunman and the cousins he shot are members of the tribe, a community now reeling with disbelief. >> reporter: about an hour north of seattle a bald eagle overlooks the picturesque indian

reservation. the home of two boys now fighting for their lives. two of the five victims of america's recent school gun violence. it is also the home of the shooter. how are you related to the shooter? >> that's my cousin. >> reporter: and nate hatch, one of the 14-year-olds wounded, you're related to him, too. >> that's my nephew. >> reporter: and andrew fryberg one of the 15-year-olds wounded, you're related to him also? >> that's my cousin. >> reporter: an extremely tight knit community, many families are related to each other. many knew all three cousins well. >> they hung out together, they played basketball together. cultural stuff together. >> reporter: tribal members say respecting each other, particularly one's elders, is one of the most important concept on the reservation. paula's 26-year-old son is brandon hatch. >> it's very important. one of the things to live by.

>> reporter: how do you deal with this emotionally right now? >> just more of a confusion than anything. really want to know the main purpose of what led up to it and everything like why. i can't really feel anything else until i know that first. >> reporter: much of life here in the reservation is similar to the way it's been for generations. here in the bay fishermen eat and sell what they catch, the same routine their parents, grandparents and great-grant parents had. hunting is an important part of the culture, then and now. also traditional tote empoles remain part of the culture at many homes. >> my dad has got it restored, redone more than once so it looks good. >> reporter: they've dealt with a lot of adversity over the years like many native american tribes but what they deal with now is unprecedented for them. >> sometimes i just want to stop and wake up and think it was just a nightmare, just go away.

but it's something that we've got to go through. and heavenly father never said it would be easy. he said it would be worth it. >> when is the school going to reopen, gary? >> classes were canceled today. they'll be canceled for the rest of the week. however, the school is open for any students who want to go inside to talk to grief counselors or to talk to teachers. behind me you can see this makeshift memorial on a fence. sadly, this is something we've seen a lot of in this country over the last 25 years but it does provide solace to the communities when they see the balloons, flowers and notes to the family. a sportsman like pafact i want tell you. the night of the shooting on friday there was supposed to be a championship game here, the district championship, the school marysville-pilchuck was to play against oak harbor. the game was canceled.

it wasn't clear what would happen to the championship game. the players and the coaches on the oak harbor team made the unanimous decision to forfeit the game and make this high school the champion and they come in second place. that's their gesture. very sportsmanlike. and in our book they're champions to do that. >> tonight a 14-year-old girl and 15-year-old boy who is a cousin of the shooter. nate hatch also a cousin of the gunman is in serious condition. the boys were extremely close like brothers. in fact they called each other brother. to them the tragedy still makes no sense and may never. earlier i spoke to nate's grandfather donald hatch. thank you very much for joining us during this incredibly difficult time. i know you visited your grandson nate at the hospital earlier today. how is he doing? >> he's doing tremendously. probably the biggest one is i went back to see him and he was

walking down the hallway. and the nurse holding his arm. and just, you know, you know, there's so many things that come in their life that you don't expect this fast, you know. yesterday he was talking. today he's walking. and that's just tremendous. >> does he remember what happened? >> he remembers, you know, the gun being pointed at him and, you know, him just freezing and just the other two getting shot. you know. i think things are coming closer to him. the healing is the easy part, the memories of everything and the friendship that he had with these cousins is going to be the toughest part. >> i saw a tweet that he sent out forgiving the shooter for doing this. his cousin. and technically he was his cousin but you say they were more like brothers.

>> yes, yes. in fact, the other one, the one that got shot down in seattle, andrew fryberg, all three were kind of inseparable. if the two -- you seen three of them together, but the two, it could have been andrew and jaylen or nate and jaylen. it was always the two of them together or three of them together. >> i understand also that nate has told you or told the friends about one of the teachers and about some of the heroic things that she did. >> yes. and how she did this right there. everybody else run away. she ran to. and really made things happen. and when they said that on tv, i didn't believe it. but here's my grandson saying that was right there in the middle of the action that she was it. and she's, i feel, is a hero's hero. >> the shooter's grandfather and you were first cousins.

so that's the relation -- >> we are. how are you dealing with this? >> yes. >> it's your grandson who was shot and yet also you have this other link to the boy who shot himself and others? >> well, i went earlier -- i think it was sunday morning -- saturday morning, and went and talked to my cousin and his family and talked to him about we're praying for them because they lost a grandson, too. nobody knows why this happened. because we can point the fingers every which way, but i don't think there's anything we can point the finger at the grandfather and the grandmother or the mom and dad. and we just have to forge ahead. >> i know you're a former school board president and i know your community is very close. the tribe is, obviously, all suffering through this together. did you ever believe something like this could happen in your former school district? >> sure, sure, i did.

you know, it can happen anywhere. and we just have to take care of it. we have to be more vigilant on the children and watch what happens. because sometimes we close our eyes and plug our ears over things that are out there. it takes a village to raise a child, but sometimes nobody wants to be the village. everybody wants to play on the side role and not do nothing. let somebody else do it. and we in our communities, whether it's in the united states or across the world, that we need to do better job with our children. otherwise we're going to see more and more of this. >> i'm so glad that your grandson is on the mend and walking and talking, and i wish you well. thank you for talking to us. >> okay, thank you. >> hard to imagine the pain of that family and so many families right now. just ahead, how a former american soldier ended up fighting on the frontlines in syria next to kurdish militia fighters who are battling isis.

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giving too much air time to isis videos. it's propaganda, there's no doubt about it. but that said, we think it's important for you to see and hear some of them because of what john cantlie says about where he might be and also the the sophistication and the style of this particular video. watch. >> hello. i'm john cantly, and today we're in the city of kobani on the syrian-turkish border. that is in fact turkey right behind me. >> they're essentially making it seem like he is reporting from there. kobani's a key city in northern syria that's been under siege for weeks. the kurdish fighters who are battling isis are getting help from foreign fighters including a former u.s. army soldier. they're battling isis. cnn's ivan watson has his story. >> reporter: armed men are a common sight here in kurdish-controlled northern syria, a country embroiled in a vicious civil war. but one of the gunmen in this truck is not like the others.

>> how do people react to you when they see you and realize you're from the u.s.? >> they ask me if i'd come over for dinner and stay the night at their house. >> reporter: jordan matson is a 28-year-old former u.s. army soldier from sturtevant, wisconsin. >> how are you? >> [ speaking foreign language ]. >> i'm good. >> reporter: for the last month he's also been a volunteer fighter in the kurdish militia known here as the ypg. >> i got in contact with the ypg on facebook, and i pride about it for a month or two and just really soul-searched and said is this what i want to do? and eventually, you know, decided to do it. >> reporter: during his two years in the army matson never once saw combat or deployment overseas. but soon after arriving here in syria he says he ended up in a battle against isis.

>> second day in i got hit by a mortar in a fight. >> reporter: while recovering from shrapnel wounds he went to work online, recruiting more foreigners to help the ypg fight against isis. >> i've had ex-military come from eastern europe, western europe, canada, the united states, australia, you name it. they've been asking. isis has threatened these countries i've named. and the veterans of those nations who love their countries don't want to sit by while this is happening. >> reporter: back home in wisconsin matson used to work in a food packing company. >> other than that we just hang out in here. >> reporter: now he lives in places like this former restaurant converted into a militia camp. >> what are the pictures? >> these are all men who have died fighting against isis. >> reporter: the ypg are very lightly armed guerrillas. >> is this even a flak jacket?

>> no. this is just a vest to carry ammunition. >> so basically, people are running into battle you without even any armor. >> yes. >> and wearing sneakers half the time. >> yes. combat adidas. >> reporter: u.s. law enforcement officials say it's illegal for an american to join a syrian militia. but matson says being here, fighting isis alongside the kurds, is a dream come true. >> you could not be further from home right now. >> yeah. i guess this is the other side of the world. all my life i just wanted to be a soldier, i guess growing up. so it just fits well over here. i'm at peace being here. >> ivan, do we know, is he the only american fighting alongside the kurds? >> reporter: matson says there are at least three other americans that are with the kurds as well. you know, if there's a trend that i've seen in many of the

conflicts that i've followed and covered, anderson, it's that they tend to be magnets for foreigners. a very eclectic mix of adventurers, of mercenaries, of idealists, of misfits as well. and the syrian civil war, which has dragged on for several years-s no exception to that trend. >> ivan watson. thanks so much, ivan. it's been a tough night of news. coming up after the break, something that will make you smile. the "riduculist" is next. e is on the line... okay patrick, let's go base, shark, blitz. the nfl trusts duracell quantum to power their game day communication. abort! abort! he's keeping it! duracell quantum. lasts up to 35% longer than the competition. i have a cold with terrible chest congestion. better take something. theraflu severe cold doesn't treat chest congestion. really? new alka-seltzer plus day powder rushes relief to your worst cold symptoms plus chest congestion. oh, what a relief it is. here we go!

time now for the "riduculist." and tonight's story takes place where many modern-day adventures originate, a chili's in florida. a cook there has been relieved of his duties after he relieved himself of his shirt and took some pictures in the kitchen. he posted those on facebook under the title "sexy cooks of chili's." i'm not sure what the big deal is. the chili's passed inspection after these photos were taken. no sexiness was left on the counter or at least an acceptable amount of sexiness when it comes to health codes. still, chili's patrons were not impressed. >> that's a little disturbing. yes. >> oh, wow. that's a little ridiculous. >> i try to be educated about stuff, but in some things i think ignorance is bliss. because if you kind of know what's going on i don't think you would ever eat out, to be honest with you. >> this is true. as a former waiter i can attest to this. sometimes you really do not want to know what goes on in the kitchen.

remember the guy who got canned from burger king for standing in the lettuce? yikes. now, that is clearly an infraction and a fireable offense. the chili's guy wasn't even preparing food. the place looks closed. and it's not like he's naked, exactly. he is wearing an apron. you can even see his ribs there. which i think is what chili's is known for, right? the ribs. anyway, the guy got fired but let's have a little perspective, shall we? what is worse, an unexpected view of a cook at chili's or finding something unexpected in your actual chili? this from a different restaurant in florida. >> the first bite i took out of it, it was a crunch. and at the time i was like, what could -- i was like, maybe that was a bean -- you know, sometimes you get a hard bean inside of chili. >> it's true. sometimes you get a hard bean. but this was no hard bean. oh, no. >> wilson says what he immediately spat out was this gray rodent, which he thinks is a rat's head with curly ears and a snaggletooth. >> a snaggletooth. isn't there a cartoon with

snaggletooth? anyway, i trust i've given you all something to think about tonight. as far as i'm concerned, restaurant kitchen staff of america, do what you've got to do, have fun, take pictures in the kitchen, roll around on the counters if you want, have an entire burlesque show back there if you want, as long as you don't stand in the letus and you're paying at least enough attention to make sure the food remains free of curly-eared, snaggletoothed rodents p you'll always have repeat customers on the "riduculist." that does it for us. thanks for watching. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this is cnn breaking news. >> this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. tonight, breaking news. fears that a patient in maryland may have ebola. meanwhile, nurse casei hickox, who was forced into quarantine in new jersey after returning from west africa, is on her way home tonight after she tested negative for ebola. so what should we be doing to stop the spread of this deadly disease? tonight six states are required to monitor everybody coming to this count