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it happened in nasa's launch facility. people lined up from as far away as washington to view the ascent, it was unmanned, thank goodness. tom? >> yeah, hey, anderson, take a look at this view from some of the spectators who lined up to watch it. and listen to how they respond as this goes very, very wrong. you can hear the explosion and hear their reaction. that is roughly three quarters of a million pounds of thrust being released in the wrong way as this rocket fell apart.
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it only took seconds, the first stage, it seems to be absolutely centered there. how it happened is a big mystery, the company in charge, orb sps bibi orbital contract, they have issued a statement saying it is far too early to know the details of what happened. we'll conduct a thorough investigation immediately so they can figure out how it happened and how to keep it from happening. but the impact is quite significant here. it is a two-stage rocket, the first is a rocket-fuelled liquid oxygen. it does make a difference, because the experiment was supposed to take supplies to the international space station. and that is lost. there will be follow-up in terms of the supplies. there are other supplies around the world which may be able to help make the difference. but there will be the next u.s. launch, at the earliest,
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december, another private company, spacex, not out of this area, but cape canaveral, florida. nonetheless, a big setback to the aerospace community. >> tom, thank you very much. and ebola, one virus symptom that is very hard to control. we're not talking about amber vinson, who treated thomas eric duncan, her symptoms are thankfully gone. >> this is a day of celebration and gratitude, i ask we not forget the families in west africa. >> she is right to that end. they talked about valuable insights they gained while treating her and others. we'll talk shortly with dr. sanjay gupta about that. first, we're looking at people experiencing a particular type of ebola symptom. this causes them to behave in ways that experts on the virus say just doesn't make any sense
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to them. it leads to public confusion, unnecessarily fear, possibly delays containment of the virus in africa, ending sadly with the quarantine. one man you will hear about in a moment, his case is remarkable. the famous one is kaci hickox, despite showing no signs of ebola, she was taken to isolation and was supposed to live there for three weeks. she was quarantined because new jersey governor chris christie and new york governor andrew cuomo, they decided to impose a 21-day quarantine on anybody returning from an ebola-stricken country. yesterday, they were forced to backtrack on the decision, and ms. hickox was able to leave the
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tent but still has to quarantine herself in maine for the next two weeks. governor christie, who first denied he maintained the policy, and ms. hickox, who says she is symptom-free. this morning, chris christie said he was a victim of politics. >> i understand there are all sorts of restrictions from the cdc, but we want more items imposed. what is the difference between telling somebody who is a health care worker they can't go on public transportation and high risk, we want them to work from home. what is the difference between that and quarantine? this is because they don't want to admit we're right. i'm sorry about it. >> keep in mind, cdc does not consider anybody high risk unless they suffered a needle stick or were treating patients without protective gear. again, neither applies to her. as for the governor, as he clearly has differences with the
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cdc and obama administration, what we're talking about is eight states and policies monitoring the high-risk individuals. the army, which is quarantining troops just back from building ebola treatment centers, just back from west africa. more in quarantine today. and president obama's so-called ebola czar so far is under the radar, hard to spot. people are confused. late today, president obama laid out again where he stands when it comes to health care workers. >> we'll have guidance that is sensible, based in science. we don't just react based on our fears. we react based on facts. >> the president meets tomorrow with volunteers from west
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africa. we're talk shortly about that with jim acosta at the white house, first, the story of a volunteer i mentioned, one you likely never heard of. his name is ryan boyko, who spent time on a tracking system. he was not exposed to one person with ebola symptoms although he did cross paths with the ebola cameraman before he became symptomatic. and before he came home, he twice tested negative for ebola, he was, the doctor said, one person in connecticut who didn't have a virus. he is forced now under quarantine with an armed officer outside his door. ryan, i just want to be extra clear, you don't have ebola, you have never had ebola. you had no contact with anyone who has symptoms of ebola in west africa. you have been tested for ebola. the test came back negative and yet tonight you remain under
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state-ordered quarantine in your apartment with a police officer standing out there to make sure you don't get out or anybody is in. has anybody given you a reasonable explanation for why that is? >> yes, sadly that is the case, all that is true. nobody from the state department of public health has contacted me at all to tell me why i am in quarantine. and the connecticut guidelines as you alluded to have been shifting and unclear and it seems to be inconsistently applied. >> no one from the state health department has contacted you so how did you get put into quarantine? >> the -- while i was at the hospital, one of the doctors actually handed me a quarantine note that had been signed by the commissioner of public health in connecticut. and so that was how i learned about it. >> and is -- is somebody coming by and taking your temperature
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or anything? >> twice a day, the local department of public health calls me and asks me what my temperature is and if i have any other symptoms but they don't come by in person. >> i mean, what amazes me that a state government can just declare -- can basically decide to lock somebody up in your apartment. or in the case of the nurse, lock somebody up in a tent with a port-o-potty, and you're not symptomatic, and you don't have ebola, so does it shock you that the state can just do this to you? >> yeah, certainly the first 28-48 hours i received the quarantine, i was in disbelief and very angry at the whole process. and i've had quite the crash course in public health law trying to understand it all. and trying to make it so that it
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won't happen to people in the future. >> i think -- it is important to und underscore also, you were not treating patients in liberia, you were assisting the liberian government with the technology. how much do you think this effect will have on others who want to go there and help? >> even while i was at yale new haven hospital to get my ebola rule out, one of the physicians treating me, she and her husband had been applying to go to west africa with the w.h.o. had gotten a leave of absence from the hospital. they were totally serious about going and were almost ready to leave and said they just couldn't go anymore because they didn't know what to expect when they got home. they were going for four weeks, and that is what they could get a leave of absence from the hospital for. and they just couldn't afford to nearly double that amount of time off work.
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and they just had no idea what to expect when they got home. >> you know, i've been tweeting about this in the last 24 hours, and some people say look it is just out of an abundance of caution the government has a right to just lock you up. keep you in your house for 21 days, it is not pleasant but just out of an abundance of caution to protect everybody else. does that make any sense to you? >> no, i don't think that is applied to any other kind of the law. you can't lock somebody up because they might pose some kind of danger later. it is unfortunate in this country right now that the public health law is very vague in a lot of states and it is just not clear what the government can and can't do. but this is undermining public health efforts both in west africa and at home and
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undermines confidence in the people who are experts in public health here to have politicians going above and beyond any kind of rational science-based policy. and outwardly saying the scientists are wrong and they know more about it than they do. >> i mean, this really does seem to be about politics from these governors. they want to be seen to be doing something. understandably, it's popular. but not based in science. again, i keep coming back to the government or the governor to be able in a position to be able to just point their fingers at somebody and say well, you're not sick, you're not contagious but i'm going to have you locked up anyway. i'm going to quarantine you anyway for 21 days just because you might be sick some day down the road and then you will be contagious. i mean, that seems like a lot of power to give a politician. >> yeah, i completely agree. i think that there needs to be much clearer standards.
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there needs to be judicial review of anybody who is going to get quarantined as the laws need to be a lot clearer. i think that in isolated cases, quarantines may make sense and for certain diseases at certain instances. but it just doesn't make sense now. and it is being used politically. and so i think there needs to be solutions in changing some of the laws and clarifying those things. >> well, again, i want to repeat. you do not have ebola. you are not contagious. i mean, if you develop ebola and start to show symptoms and be contagious. that is one thing. but you don't have ebola and you are not contagious and yet you're stuck in quarantine. ryan, i'll continue to follow your case. i appreciate you talking to us. >> all right, thank you. be sure to set your dvrs, and you can watch this whenever you like. coming up, more patients and dr.
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potentially their lives to deal with the source in west africa. in a not so subtle jab at chris christie, he said facts not fear should carry the day. however, he deflected the question on why that same criticism doesn't necessarily apply to the army. and he didn't dismiss the question of ron klain, and who is doing the coordinating. the president came out in strong support of health care workers who came out and assisted with the fight. >> that is right, anderson, the president made the case that the cdc's less stringent guidelines for health care are the way to go and not take the way of the governors on the health care ru rules. the president said the health care workers should be applauded. the white house fears that kind of treatment will discourage workers from going over to west africa which they believe will
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impact the fight over there. >> the meeting tomorrow with health care workers back from west africa, is that just a photo op, or just to send a message? >> a little bit of both, the president says he will be meeting with representatives in the hot zone, the president hugged the nurse, nina pham at the white house. this is the white house trying to reassure the public that the health care workers should be welcome back with open arms and not quarantines. >> what about ron klain, everybody has asked, where is he, he has been on the job for a week. the white house says that klain has been briefing the president every day since coming on the job and will go to the cdc later on this week. but it is interesting, anderson, i talked to a key official who
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asked not to be named. he said ron is good at being behind the scenes and working with various agencies of the federal government. but what this agent couldn't understand is why ron was not out there with the public working, as well. all right, let's take a look at the politics and potentially life-saving lessons that doctors today at emory say they have been learning. joining us, dr. sanjay gupta, and also dr. seema yasmin, sanjay, let me start with you. they have actually learned things from treating amber vinson and others? >> yes, it is very fascinating. still a small number of patients, so in order to say you learned things you want to learn from other patients. but one thing that sticks out, how aggressive is ebola? one doctor said we don't know if
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it is worth it to put somebody on dialysis, and could it put the health care workers at risk? the doctor said he would recommend it. it is a different way of looking at and treating ebola. >> also, amber vinson seemed to recover quickly, they believe she probably got exposed to a small amount? >> there are all sorts of theories. one is, you get diagnosed earlier and treated earlier. >> i always thought even a tiny amount of ebola is devastating. >> here is the way it is, if it is a small amount and replicates and is unchecked. in her case, she got a blood transfusion from somebody who had antibodies. could that come in her system and keep her from getting more sick and prolonging her illness? we don't know, people in the united states, somebody who is healthy and has a very strong
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immune system they're more likely to do better as it is, as opposed to somebody with a weaker immune system. these are astonishing fast recoveries. >> dr. yasmin, you're friends with the nurse, kaci hickox, who was quarantined. what do you make of the fact that governor chris christie continues to say she is asymptomatic. the tests today confirmed she didn't even have a fever. >> it is very frustrating, anderson, what we're being told by politicians doesn't align with the facts and science, and we have the cdc guidelines that do align with the science. the new guidelines categoryize people with different risks, depending on what they have been doing and their activities have been and then determining the kind of monitoring they need based on that risk.
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>> i talked to the head of doctors without borders. she says they have seen a negative impact on the people's willingness to go over and volunteer their time. >> that doesn't surprise me. a lot of them have jobs, right? they're essentially going there and doing this in addition to the work they already do. so they may go three or four weeks at a time. you are essentially adding three or for more weeks, all that sort of stuff. it is already taxing, difficult work that takes away from their families. now you're adding things on. that doesn't surprise me at all. we were saying there could be 10,000 cases per week in west africa. if you start to diminish the amount of resources in terms of health care workers out there, that number could get worse. >> and dr. yasmin, it is interesting, because i don't see
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a huge international response to this. doctors without borders is an international group. but in terms of governments around the world there have been promises, on the ground, the u.s. has sent troops. there are british forces who have gone and a few other countries, as well. there have not been a huge global immediate response on the ground and that is kind of shocking to me. >> it is very shocking, in fact, now it seems we're moving back yards, anderson, the australian government will not send health care workers and is actually stopping humanitarian aid to this part of the world and also not allowing travellers from guinea and liberia to enter australia. so at a time when we need to ramp up the response and send in more doctors and health care workers, more troops in fact, we're seeing more countries not help. and it is delaying stopping the spread of ebola in west africa. >> all right, dr. sanjay gupta,
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keep people out of there. the main threat is there currently. only those who live there are allowed in, anderson. right now the lava, the last report we have has burned onto property. there was a small structure that burned this morning, we're talking about a shed. it pushed past that without burning it. it is still very much a threat to this community and the danger is only growing by this hour. so far the people here are just more drawn to it as a tourist attraction. >> and martin, i understand you went out in a helicopter. how fast is this stuff moving. >> reporter: we're talking about yards, so it's not moving fast in any incredible way. but taking a look from a helicopter, we realized that was liquid rock. the others of us who don't follow volcanos all the time, the lava is under ground.
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in other words, what you see on top is just the scarring effect of it. the real danger is underground and can pop up at any time, slowly moving along. the thing is, it is just inching its way into this neighborhood. it speeds up, slows down. the truth is nobody can give you an exact time frame of when a home or specific part of the neighborhood is threatened. it just sort of all happens in slow motion. >> and is there any way, this may be a dumb question to divert or redirect the lava? >> no, not a dumb question, in fact i asked. in fact in the last years, hawaii has tried to divert it, constructing dams and trenches, none of it has ever worked. nature has a way of diverting around it. the problem is you only push it
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somewhere else, in other words, someone else's back yard. anderson, breaking news, the u.s. government is increasing security at more than 9,000 federal buildings in the wake of threats from terrorist organizations and the recent attacks in ottawa, canada. department of homeland security jay johnson calls the move a security move. and in a tweet, this man says he loves and forgives the man who shot him outside seattle. the gunman lured his victims, including two of his cousins to the cafeteria with a text. and a friend of bombing suspect tsarnaev was convicted regarding the attack. robel phillipos was convicted of the attack. and paul kiterman vanished
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during a game last week, investigators are combing hundreds of hows of surveillance video for any possible clues. and it is not clear what walmart was thinking when they decided to market some of their on-line costumes as "fat girl" costumes, the backlash was fierce, walmart removed the page and apologized in a series of tweets. and in alabama, this student allegedly raped by another student after a teacher used a plan to use her as bait to catch the student in the act. the problem is, no one came to help. frankly what happened next is hard to believe. that is next.
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. it is a terrible case in alabama, the family of a special needs student at a school in madison county is suing over an incident that happened over five years ago but still is affecting the young girl, devastating her life. the girl, 14 years old at the time was allegedly used as bait to catch a sexual predator who also was a student at the school. a teacher's aide encouraged the
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girl to go in the bathroom with the boys so they could catch him in the act. the teacher's aide has been forced to resign, there are no repercussions for the school, they allegedly knew about the plan beyond a few days of suspension. more on the story. >> i just felt like i was set up by the teachers. >> reporter: we'll call her jaden, it is not her real name but for the first time she is telling her story publicly. >> they gave me a word that they could not keep. >> reporter: in the middle school near huntsville, alabama, 2010, jaden was just 14 years old and a 16-year-old eighth grader was propositioning her again in the hallway. what would this boy say to you? >> he would just always ask if i wanted to have sex with him and things like that. >> and what did you say? >> i usually just ignored him. >> reporter: jaden says a friend
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suggested she tell a teacher's aide, june ann simpson, who knew other girls he tried to lure into the bathroom for sex. when he alerted the principal, he said it had to be proven he was guilty of something before he could be punished according to court documents. so simpson hatched a plan, trying to catch the boy using jaden as bait. she writes i was tired of that kid, and she should go pretend she wanted to meet him so we could set him up. >> and when she first asked you to do that, what did you tell her? >> i told her no, i didn't want to do it. >> what changed your mind then? >> because i just wanted it to stop. >> reporter: so the plan went forward. simpson says she told the vice principal about the plan, but she did nothing. jaden says she was there, too, but dunaway denies that
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conversation ever happened. jaden says she left moments later. >> did you see him in the hallway? >> uh-huh. >> and what did you say some. >> i said we can do that. >> reporter: she watched the cameras, hoping to catch them in the bathroom. why? well, according to jaden, the boy changed and said go in the boy's bathroom by the gym and then told me never mind because everyone was around. the two went into another bathroom. simpson was watching surveillance video on the wrong hallway. >> i thought they were going to do what they said they were going to do. be there and stop him. and just get him in trouble. >> reporter: jaden says she stalled, told him i don't want to do this and tried blocking him but she says it was not enough. >> and no one came? >> no. >> reporter: jaden says the boy sodomized her, simpson watched events like this and waited for several minutes until students
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told her jaden was not where she thought, she was in another bathroom. simpson sent a teacher to get them. they were in another bathroom. >> they called the cops. >> reporter: according to the boy's written statement she started to kiss. jaden said from the start she was assaulted. and although it was the aide's plan to bring the students together the administrators shockingly said they were not convinced jaden was actually raped. and when they were deposed by the attorneys more than two years later they were not sure still what story to believe. principal blair said to this day i don't know what happened for sure in the bathroom. and that is the way i have to leave it. vice president dunaway said i believe she took responsibility for herself when she went in the bathroom. pictures were taken of this trauma, and terrill was asked if
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a 14-year-old would have consented to that. >> she didn't consent. she didn't consent. >> reporter: this woman was jaden's foster mom at the time. >> when we send our children to school we send them there with the trust that the teachers are going to protect them. but when you send your child there thinking they're going to be okay and something like that happens it really thwarts your trust for the school system. >> reporter: the attorney who represents jaden and her father filed a civil suit, claiming violations of state and federal law, including sexual harassment provisions of title nine. >> if it were followed the allegations would have been investigated and this result would not have happened. >> reporter: in 2013, the court allowed provisions but threw out federal claims against the faculty and school board. appeals have been filed by all parties. >> he found that the board of education's policies were proper. he found that school
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administrators took appropriate action and complied completely with federal law as soon as they were notified of this unfortunate incident. >> and what happened to the boy? well, he was not charged with a crime. instead, court records show the school suspended him for five days for inappropriate touching of female in boy's bathroom and then sent him to an alternative school for a short time. but he eventually returned to the school. it was at least the 13th sexual or violent incident in the boy's file, all in the space of two academic years. >> what do you think? >> he just gets away with it. >> if you're wondering about the aide and the administrators, june ann simpson, the teacher's aide, her attorney says she was forced to resign but the others have kept their positions with the school system. ron blair and teresa terrell are
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still with the school system. and the vice principal has been promoted as principal at a nearby elementary school. jaden eventually dropped out of school. and at age 19, more than four years after the attack she continues to struggle. >> it is hard for me to have good days. i have days to where i just want to sit there by myself. i get angry faster. and i -- i get insecure. >> how will you get to those good days? >> by actually having our day in court. and letting everything be known so that it won't happen again. >> victor blackwell joins me now. this is crazy it was allowed to happen. i understand the department of justice has gotten involved in the case, right? >> yeah, anderson, this is now at the appellate level, they
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have released a brief, really an opinion, sharply refuting the lower court's decision, this passage says, if title nine imposes any responsibility on school officials to promote sexual harassment, it surely requires a response when they learn that a 14-year-old student is about to be used as bait to catch a 16-year-old student with a history of sexual and violent misconduct. >> it is incredible that anybody thought using a 14-year-old as bait it was a good idea. >> yeah, the attorney for this teacher, june ann simpson, her attorney says now looking back it probably was not a good idea. and with the outcome, he even agrees it was the wrong choice. >> victor blackwell, coming up, an explosion with a nasa launch causing a huge fire ball.
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>> engines at 108%. frightening to see, cnn's analyst miles o'brien is on the phone for us. >> yes, anderson, we sometimes get the impression that launching rockets in space is dare we say routine? and it is not. what you're dealing with is a tremendous amount of force coming out of the rockets. and a problem with the turbo prop can lead to catastrophic failures. now, we don't know much, but a
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press conference at 9:00 will shed more light. one question is was there a failure that precipitated somebody failing to initiate the safety system, or did the rocket just in fact explode because of the sheer force involving the kerosene fuel along with the rocket oxidizer. this rocket was under contract to go to the international space station. it was their third attempt to do that. they had about 5,000 tons of r cargo on board. this was an attempt to re-supply the space station. there are other ways to get to the space station. the california company spacex provides services. the russians have a cargo capacity, as well. so it is not as if the crew will go hungry or anything, but it is
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a huge setback. nasa will have to look at a lot of things. >> miles, thank you very much. and in the wake of the recent attacks in canada, they're fearful that there will be similar attacks here. now, it is the world we live in. but it has not always been that way. only 35 years ago america had its first brush with political and violent islam. in just a few minutes, we'll bring you the cnn special report "witness: the iran hostage crisis" several hostages were released, and days later the remaining 52 hostages were released. tonight, we'll hear more from the journalists who covered the ordeal. here is a preview insider. >> the iranian revolution was the first time i ever heard the united states referred to as
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"the great satan." this revolution was extraordinarily fast. the first outbreak of demonstrations was in early 1978. basically, by tend of the year the shah was leaving the country. >> i think we were caught unawares by the rapid rise of the revolution, but the unpopularity of the shah. >> the americans inside are taken prisoner, and according to a student spokesperson will be taken hostage until the deposed shah will be taken from the united states where he is being treated for cancer. >> it is a fascinating look back, you can see the entire hour in just moments at the top of the hour right here on cnn. first, though, can soda really age you as much as smoking? the ridiculist is next.
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them. i am sure that is not what we're supposed to take away from the study. it is such a jarring idea, as if you suddenly found that eating a big mac was like taking black tar heroin, or, you would be better off eating a handful of oxycontin. the sudden compared 5,000 adults to those who drank soda and found that people who drank the soda every day experienced a pr premature aging at the same day as others. i talked to dr. sanjay gupta about the soda, he explained it is the sugar that is the problem, and the way it is delivered compared to other things that have sugar. >> 100% fruit juice has sugar, part of the reason, when you drink fruit juice you get other stuff in there that can slow
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down the absorbion. candy bar is the same thing, when you drink a sugary soda, basically it is going separate into the system and liver and so forth. >> soda shortens your telamiers, sanjay with explain it better. >> the chromosome would be the middle part, and it is these things on the end that are your telamiers. as we go through life they shorten, and when they shorten at a certain amount, the cells can't replicate. and the human being will get to the end of their life. the sodas shorten these more quickly. >> i'll just point out after a conversation about the dangers of sugar, sanjay tried to give me that piece of candy. i'm just saying. i already had a little kit kat already today.
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>> i want you to have long telamiers, anderson. >> i have often wished they were bigger, now we have to worry about the size of our telamiers, as well. by the way, in my defense, there are kit kat bars, everything in moderation. we'll see you again at 11 p.m., the cnn special report witness the iran hostage crisis starts now. the following it a cnn special report. welcome to this cnn special report, witness, the iran hostage crisis. 50 years ago the u.s. faced their first conflict with the iranian country. it was after the deposing of the shah
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