and everybody is waiting and watching. martin savage, thanks so much. i'm deborah feyerick. we'll be back at the top of the hour. smerconish starts right now. hello. welcome to the program. i'm michael smerconish. digging down on key questions, these ebola quarantines, do we need them to protect the public health or need them to quell the public's fear? we'll get into it. the tightest elections we've seen in years. one man about to go out on a limb throwing out the conventional wisdom. then the obesity epidemic. the question nobody wants to talk about. what happens when america gets too fat for sex? one of the greatest rock and roll guitarists ever pours his heart out. joe perry is here and lots more. so stick around. this week we've been riveted

by the saga of kaci hickox, the nurse forced into quarantine. her week began in a tent outside of a hospital in newark, new jersey with no heat, no shower and a makeshift toilet. she said she was held prisoner. governor chris christie said she should stop complaining. so she hired attorneys and after a few days in the tent she was allowed to go to her home in maine. enter a new governor of maine. he decided she should be quarantined again. she went out on her bike. as of now after a court ruling she is allowed to leave her house but is subject to daily monitoring by health officials. polls show that 80% of americans are in favor of quarantines for those who had close contact with ebola patients. many who live in kaci hickox's hometown feel that way also. but the nurse is free to go out in her town, so how are local authorities handling this? joining me now is the police chief of fort kent, thomas,

there has been a great deal of concern about the safety of your community. i have a different question. how concerned are you about her safety from people who want her confined? >> i'm very concerned. especially in light of some recent activity where up until late this afternoon, the state police have been assisting us with basically being placed at her residence. their initial assignment was there to monitor her movements when and if she left. since then the court order has changed and has allowed her to not necessarily be monitored so the state police have left. so we're dealing with making sure that the threats, some of

the hate websites that are up, kind of monitoring those things, and i'm in direct contact with ted wilbur, her boyfriend and kaci at the house trying to keep an open line of communication so they can let us know at any time they may feel threatened, and kind of monitoring keeping our finger on the pulse of what the community is thinking. and making sure she does get some protection if needed. >> in other words, is it fair to say up until the time there was a new order entered by the court on friday there was a law enforcement role essentially to keep eyes on her and make sure that she remained somewhat confined, and now that's shifted to a local responsibility, not necessarily of keeping an eye on her but keeping an eye on folks who might pose a threat to her? >> yeah. that is my responsibility as the chief of police here. our department is surely tasked

with making sure that she is safe, she and ted are safe. certainly, there have been some concerns that have popped up. i voiced those concerns to ted and kaci, and let them know that what we're dealing with out here as well. they have been understanding of that exactly. we're going to keep those lines open, so we can still share what our concerns are on both sides. >> thank you for being here. >> thank you. kaci hickox said that she poses no threat because she's not ill and has no symptoms. yet people are afraid of her perhaps for this reason. many of those who have fallen ill like dr. craig spencer who is still in critical condition in new york, say they have no idea how they were exposed to ebola. now, if that's true, how does anybody knows exactly how they could get ebola? what makes kaci hickox so sure she won't pass it on? joining me to talk about this

dr. gavin mcgregor skinner who treated ebola patients. doctor, all of the conversation as to how we should treat physicians, health care workers who cared for those with ebola is this more about the stopping the spread of ebola or more about stopping the spread of fear? >> no, this is really important. when we deal with any highly infectious disease like ebola even anthrax we are always dealing with the bacteria or the virus, that's what we're fighting but there is that other side, anxiety and fear. in any of these. so we're dealing with both in public health all the time. it's important to look at our training, the supervision, the other mechanisms we have in place to assure as we do the job. i know having come back from west africa, it's scary to deal with ebola patients. i know the mechanisms were in place for me to wear the equipment and the supervision in place if i made a mistake it was going to be corrected and that gave me the confidence to do the work i need to do. >> doctor, i want to show you a portion of the order that was

entered in maine yesterday pertaining to the nurse we're all talking about. if you could put that up. here's what the court wrote. the court is fully aware that people are acting out of fear and this fear is not entirely rational. however, whether that fear is rational or not it is present, and it is real. doctor, as a lawyer, i interpreted that as the judge saying hey, the fear is irrational, we're going to keep this woman or keep eyes on this woman to some extent because we want to keep a limit on that getting out of control. it's not so much that we really fear she is going to spread ebola. >> no, and she won't. unless she has symptoms she doesn't have the disease, she is no risk to anyone. unless you have symptoms of ebola and diagnosed there is no risk. you can't spread without the symptoms. i think the chief judge though captured what the american people are thinking at the moment. it's that need for where is the national ebola communication plan that we can get all of the governors from all of the states plus the medical personnel, on the same page to understand what

are those key communication messages that need to go out about the risk of ebola and everything we do is based on a risk assessment. where is that national communication plan? >> thank you, one of the most confounding things about quarantine is that the standards for imposing it are different. in california the rules are less strict. local officials will decide who will get quarantined on a case-by-case basis. dr. bucks is a health care worker home from the hot zone. he is in quarantine in his home in redwood city, california and he joins me now via skype. doctor, thank you for being here. tell me about with your wife and your dogs. i understand that as part of your self-imposed quarantine you sent them away. >> yes. they are very well, thank you. we have not had opportunities to see each other since the start of the quarantine and they have not been in the house. my dog values his privacy quite a lot.

>> you had the forethought that say god forbid there should be a complication. i don't want to cause further inconvenience to my spouse or beloved pet. >> the goal is to completely reduce the number of potential contacts heaven forbid i develop a fever or other symptoms. >> have you seen any evidence of a reluctance on the part of health care workers, this is the concern, we all agree that it needs to be eradicated at its source meaning in west africa and we're worried about health care workers paying attention to the news and the reports of quarantine saying well, i'm not going over there. do you believe it's playing itself out? >> yes. i'm interviewing candidates from around the world who are interested in volunteering and acting responsibly and doing their patriotic duty in that regard but i have not interviewed a single u.s. candidate and it concerns me. i would like u.s. physicians and

nurses to be responding to this. to protect our country. >> do you think that the nurse in maine paid a price for the physician in new york city after all of those reports of him using the subway system and going bowling, you know that story. do you think that didn't sit well with americans and consequently when the nurse stepped off the plane a week ago at newark international airport she went through the process with which we're now familiar? >> i think it helps frame the conversation, if we refer to kaci hickox as maine's expert in the management of ebola and politicizing her return did damage the efforts to get volunteers abroad. >> so with regard to the subject of quarantine then, is it about eradicating fear or eradicating the virus? i ask that because if truly she is symptom-free she doesn't pose a risk of transmission. the only reason therefore to keep her quarantined would be to lessen the unfounded fear that her neighbors might have.

>> correct. this is -- education can provide great illumination on this situation. right now the measures i'm taking in great part are to provide reassurance all of my neighbors, my community are completely safe. and it's not -- it's easy to incorporate isolation in that regard as an extension of my deployment. we shouldn't overshoot these with unscientific recommendations. >> we wish you well. thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. >> coming up, we'll have the man who called the presidential race correctly in 49 of 50 states, which party does he think will take the senate? his prediction is next. and, i'll talk to the groundbreaking author of a book "xl love". there has been much written about obesity, but not this. stick with us.

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the midterm elections are three days away. the question of course who will take control of the senate, and there are ten races that are tied or close to. some of the tightest races that we've seen in years. whether democrats hang on to the senate or republicans take it away rides on a few key races. my three favorites, kansas, iowa, colorado, each has a great story. i'm joined by cnn's chief national correspondent and host of inside politics john king to run through them. kansas, republicans as you know of all types have gone all in for pat roberts. is it more than saving a seat?

do they fear threats from others who might run as independents if greg ormman is successful. >> the goal is the math of trying to get 51 or more in the u.s. senate. this is about not just survival for pat roberts but mitch mcconnell trying to get a majority. that is goal one without a doubt. you're right. they want to keep the seat in republican hands. two, they don't want to encourage the idea that independents, the one thing the two parties agree on is make it hard for a new third party. if greg orman wins that seat, i talked to two republicans today who think it's gone, they don't think it's close. the other republicans dispute that. the democrats remember, there is a governor's race that is going to drive democratic turnout. most of those are going to vote for orman. if an independent wins in kansas it's hard, there is no ross perot with all of the money but will somebody think about running independent in 2016. if orman wins i think the answer is yes. >> tell me which way these break. iowa.

colorado, corey gardner versus mark udall. >> both trending republican. in colorado let me start there. a republicans say the poll the republican pulling away. but they say it's not a one or two-point race. they say it's four or five points. this is a test. in colorado it's latinos. can they get the latinos in adams county to turn out near their 2012 numbers or in 2010 numbers. if the democrats can do that udall has a prayer. republicans say that's trending their way. iowa is a classic, it's yes, it's a blue state and presidential politics but a robot state if you look at registration. bruce braley has been a bad candidate. better at the end than in the beginning but because of those missteps early ernst has run a smart advertising campaign that is a 2-point edge into the final weekend. republicans think they have the

wind at their back. again this is a place democrats say they have the experience. we'll see. >> if joni ernst wins i think she becomes a female ted cruz. all i mean by that is that she takes on a national stature because she is colorful. >> without a doubt. and she is from a president big state like iowa. every 2016er is going to take this as i mean it in love with joni ernst and try to get that endorsement and support. she will instantly be a national figure. >> all right. going to be fun. get rest. we'll see you tuesday. john king. >> sleep is overrated. >> dr. wong runs a consortium. he beat all of the prognosticators. dr. wong called the presidential race correctly in 49 of 50 states and for today he went 10 for 10 in the closest senate races. last month on this program here's what he predicted about control of the senate after tuesday's midterm.

>> based on what those polls are doing all summer of that number landing on democrats and independents having 50 seats or more on election day, and so based on what we've been seeing all summer the polls pointing toward a close contest, everybody should vote, but indicating that democrats and independents are favored. >> fast forward to today. dr. wong is still an outlier among those who aggregate polling data. this poll by "the new york times" which shows his outlook as compared to his brethren. the post says there is a 93% chance of republicans taking control "the new york times" says it's 68% likelihood. there is the princeton election consortium at 52%. dr. wong, why do you see this so differently than the others? >> well, michael, the way i look at it is this. all of the calculations are on the same side of 50%.

everyone saying that the republicans are favored. i'm saying they are slightly favored. these other guys say more. i think what we're doing is we're taking into account the historical uncertainty. i think we're doing it in different ways which results in different numbers. midterm polling is often inaccurate and can be across the board by as much as 2 to 3 points. there is no telling which way. i would say we're all starting with the same polling data and we see a slight republican advantage. but that advantage is narrow. just the fact that joni ernst in iowa is only ahead by in my calculation half a percentage point, that is razor thin and a race that can go either direction. you take the six closest races all in two percentage points they could all go one direction for the democrats, they could also go all one direction for the republicans. anything in between. so i would say that i think i feel good about our calculation. >> can we put that back up on the screen. this is how you drill down on the three key races.

saying joni ernst right now by .5% in iowa, corey gardner by a percent in colorado, and greg orman, the independent by a point and a half in kansas. indicative of what i think you regarded a photo finish is what you expect on tuesday. >> right. you look at iowa and colorado those margins were wider for the republican candidates, they have gotten closer. that could be the effect of early voting, could be opinion shifting. could be noise. in any case what we're seeing here is that these margins are razor thin and not outside the bounds of surprises. i would say surprises for either side. >> dr. wong -- >> also as you say in kansas. >> there is something else you have been speaking of at princeton and that is the close nature of so many gubernatorial and senate races, as compared to, say, where we were 10 years ago. why is that the case and explain what i'm referring to. >> right. so what's going on right now is that if you define races as being close within 2 or 3 point there is is currently six races

close in the senate as we saw, a dozen races close among governorships. what we're seeing here is probably the effects of previous wave elections, 2010 was a great year for republicans, they took over governorships, those governors are now up for re-election. 2008 was a great year for democrats and those democrats are now running for re-election in states that mitt romney won in 2012. so in some sense 2014 is not a wave election at all, more like corrections from previous waves from four or six years ago n. is a perfect storm now in which now these close races, there are more of them than there were in the last two midterm elections put together. it's a tremendously suspenseful election we have coming up next tuesday. >> dr. wong, as always, thank you. we appreciate you being here. >> thank you. one of president obama's top aides, jay carney, made this prediction about next week's midterms. >> democrats are as we talked about before, going to have a bad election day no matter how

you slice it republicans are going to pick up seats in the senate and the house and they may win control of the senate. >> if that's true what did the republican party do to resuscitate itself? you remember all the dire predictions about republicans, their problems with women, the tea party wing, you name it. is this a new day for the grand old party? after a short break i will ask these questions of one of the wisest men, a real american treasure. stick around. than ever why now is the best time to be on verizon. one: verizon's the largest, most reliable 4g lte network in the country. that's right america. with xlte in over 400 markets. two: and here's something for families to get excited about. our best pricing ever! get 2 lines with an incredible 10gb of data to share for the low price of $110! or just $140 for a family of 4! and three: get $150 credit for every line you switch. the more you switch, the more you get. verizon.

whether democrats keep the senate or republicans take it away, the morning after we're still left with a painful reality. washington has never been more paralyzed. nothing gets done. how do we change it? is there any reason to hope a new batch of senators and congress people will bring in a new day? i can't think of anybody better to answer these questions than one of the wisest to serve in the senate republican allen simpson of wyoming. he joins us from his ranch in cody. welcome. here is my first question. if republicans take control -- >> you said wise, yes, go ahead. excuse me. >> if republicans take control of the senate and it's a more conservative senate by the new blood that comes in, is there any reason to believe that things will get done? i ask because i heard governor

romney say if republicans control the house and senate they will pass things and force the president's hand. >> well, i think that's his view. my view is that if they do that, they are going to have to govern. if they are going to pour it on and say if we can get back into power and we have the house and the senate, i would think that the object of the game is not to see how much they can punish obama and twist him in a knot. the object of the game is to make republicans look like they can govern instead of just saying no and bitching and giving the saliva test of purity. that's my take on that. it's a wonderful opportunity for complete rebirth of the republican party. conservative then would keep the word within fiscal and monetary issues and not out in the social issues where we get eaten alive. >> might a resurrection of simpson-bowles be a means of doing what you described? >> rise from the dead like a

halloween monster. it's the day after. no. simpson-bowles, we don't use bowles-simpson because of the acronym. we don't like that. we use simpson-bowles. well, we leave it at that. i'll tell you, one thing about it, it ain't going away. it's the only thing that was voted on by five democrats, five republicans, after eight months of work and one independent that deals with everything. talks about reform of the tax code, solvency of the social security. if you can't even deal with the social security solvency for 75 years because the aarp is tearing off your shorts, i mean, our grandchildren have had it. so these groups, they laugh at simpson-bowles, they had a fun, you name them. grover, norquist, the club for growth, the aclu, all of them,

chuckling. let me tell you, when the election is over and we're headed for a $20 trillion debt, going out, useless to us, and going to other countries so they can do their infrastructure and educate their kids, somebody will wake up along the line and hopefully it will be the republicans. >> senator, on wednesday morning, the starting gun will be fired for the 2016 cycle. do you think that there is a possibility that republicans victorious on tuesday night will have beer muscles and will say well, see that, all we need to do is stick to our conservative roots and then nominate a candidate that is incapable of winning in 2016. >> i really don't see that. i think that they will be juiced up, but there isn't any way that they are going to go out and drift off to say well now we've

proven that we got rid of all of these moderate republicans, that isn't going to happen in this election. you're going to find -- you're going to find people who are willing to say that the word compromise is not a four letter word. without compromise we would have no bill of rights, no constitution, nothing. so you clean out those guys, they have mush for brains and then you move on with people who care, who know damn well you have to do something with social security when the thing started the age of death was 63 and you retired at 65. now it's 78 headed for 80. you don't have to -- you got to have more than rock for brains to figure out you get to do something. who is telling us that? the trustees of the system. disability insurance will be gone in two years. who is telling us that? the trustees. medicare will go broke in 2026 or 30. who is telling us? the people who run the money. i mean, wake up out there. if you can't, if the republicans

can't do the job, get confidence, let people know they came to govern inset of just bitch it will be great for the party. >> when you come back tell us what you really think. i don't want you to feel you have to hold back. okay? thank you, sir. >> i'll try. up next, the tragic case of brittany maynard, a woman with terminal brain cancer who says she will soon take her own life. i'll talk about it with the long time lawyer for dr. jack kevorkian who forced america to face the issue of the right to die. down.

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liberty mutual insurance. brittany maynard was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer in april and told she had no more than six months to live. the newlywed said she wanted to choose when to die. she moved to oregon where physician assisted suicide was legal. she appeared to pick today, but this week she said not yet. >> i still feel good enough and i still have enough joy and i still laugh and smile with my family and friends enough that it doesn't seem like the right time. right now. but it will come because i feel myself getting sicker. it's happening each week. >> her story reminds us all i think of the late jack kevorkian, the champion of the right to die. back in 1999 he was convicted of second degree murder after

helping a man with lou gerhig's disease end his life. his lawyer was geoffrey fieger. do you see this case, she's got the right to do this in oregon, as a vindication of dr. kevorkian? >> well, but for jack's work she wouldn't have that right. ron atkins was instrumental in pushing that in oregon and washington, to the -- two of the states that allow it. for sure without jack kevorkian, she would not have that right. >> yet, for all of its progressive tendencies she was a resident of the bay area in california. couldn't do it in california. had to pick up roots, go to oregon where there are only five states oregon one of them. i guess what i'm saying there are 45 where you couldn't do this if you chose to. >> that's right. and it's very sad.

and not only could she not do it but a doctor couldn't help her. that's the real frightful thing. even in oregon, the physicians prescribe the medication which provides a solace for her. she only wants control. what's going on right now, michael, is that she feels well enough and jack would have encouraged her to go to the very end. and even then you'll find that the patients very often don't do it. but want the control, want the ability to control. they are smart people, they want to control their lives and their deaths and suffering. they don't want to suffer. so very often they don't carry it out. she may never do that. and if she doesn't, it's up to her. it's nice if a doctor could be with her, though. >> respond to those who watch this unfold and say it's legalized suicide. >> well, it is legalized suicide

and it's the same we provide to our animals. nobody would make their animals suffer in horrible pain with brain cancer and say that it was all right to make the animal suffer and die naturally without helping the animal die. why would we subject our own kind to that kind of suffering? what type of person would do that? i know what kind of person does it. the people who believe that it's god's will. and they believe that they should be able to control other people's lives but in america, if we have any freedoms at all it's the right not to suffer when we die. and not to have somebody else or government control that right. >> geoffrey fieger, thank you for being here. >> thanks, michael. up ahead i'll talk to legend joe perry of aerosmith, his stories about his relationship with steven tyler, you'll want to hear that. [ male announcer ] tomcat bait kills up to 12 mice,

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diabetes, stroke, heart attack, they are all a typical part of a conversation about the impact of america's obesity crisis. so too the cost to the health care system. but what about the impact of obesity on relationships and sex? that previously unexplored subject is the focus of a new book by sarah varney, a reporter

with kaiser health news whose work appears on pbs. it's "xl love," how the obesity crisis is complicating america's love life. sarah, let's get to it. why are american girls stepping into their sexual selves sooner? >> we know that there is this massive increase in children who are overweight and we know that weight plays a significant role in when girls begin puberty. this is well established for a long time. we see that among girls who are 7 years old, african-american girls one in four are budding breasts by the age of seven, about 15% of latino girls have their breasts bud by the age of 7 and 10% of white girls. we know that weight plays a significant role in when the body kicks off the puberty process.

>> at the university of mississippi medical center, if we were there, what would we see? >> sure. i wanted to start the book really at the beginning, because we know that human relationships are cumulative. and our experience of ourselves and our human relationships start from when we are first born. in jackson, mississippi there is this neonatal intensive care unit. jackson is a fairly small city but one of the largest nicu's in the country. so many of the moms there are overweight and obese, have uncontrolled diabetes so give birth to children very prematurely. when you stand there you look out it's almost a football field long and see these isolets. inside are these little wisps of bone and tissue and you know, these children are born so, so little. it's incredibly sad. then right next to them you see these babies that are 12 or 14 pounds, and i remember when i was reporting the book i turned to one of the nurses and said why is a child who is 12 or 14

pounds here as well? they said that's an infant of a diabetic mom. so what happens is the fetus grows rapidly in the womb but a lot of the organs can't keep up so. the child is born they have to be kept alive. >> so these diabetic moms are giving birth to big babies, they are reaching puberty sooner than they would have historically, consequently they are thought to be or viewed as attractive by guys and let's say things happen sooner than they would have otherwise and it becomes almost a self fulfilling prophecy. >> this is a real concern among psychologists in places like jackson, mississippi where you have these girls who are 7 or 8 or 9. i met with many of the girls and who have very adult female bodies and they don't understand why is it that my uncle or the kids on my block or the boys at school, why are they treating me differently. i'm still somebody who likes dora the explorer. i can't understand why the world is treating me differently.

we know for girls who had early puberty they have -- at a higher risk for sexual abuse. and we also know that these girls, girls who are obese, overweight and obese, actually do have a later sexual debut than girls who are not obese. they are less likely to have sex. the problem, however, is when they do have sex, it's much riskier. so overweight girls who do engage in sexual activity are more likely to have had sex by the age of 13, more likely to have had multiple sex partners by the time they graduate high school and are less likely to use contraception. >> for all that is said why do you think it comes to your book "xl love" before this conversation begins? because i never heard an open conversation about this before. and my specific question, do you think political correctness plays a roll? >> i think we have a very sort of schizophrenic view about weight in this country. like we either want to say you should just sort of pick

yourself up and brush off all of the discrimination and bias that we have as a culture about people who are overweight. or you should cower in self pity. we don't want to have to see you. i think it's important that we have a very open conversation, we know that obesity is playing a huge role in hypertension and stroke and life expectancy. we're having -- a huge impact. why would we not think it has an impact on our relationships. >> sarah varney, thank you. the book is excellent. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. >> up next, rock 'n roll royalty in the house. my conversation with legendary guitarist joe perry. what is his relationship with steven tyler really about? we'll find out next. could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know you that former pro football player ickey woods will celebrate almost anything?

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aerosmith, the iconic boston rock band. still love to listen to them. i've always wondered what is the real relationship between steven tyler and joe perry? are they band brothers or feuding prima donas? ♪

joe has just written a book. it is terrific. the big question, what does he say about steven. joe writes that in a deep and abiding way, steven is his brother. wh what is the real story? >> they say you can love your brother but you don't have to like him. i wanted people to know how tough it is to keep a band together. we are a family of choice as opposed to a family by blood. and i had a brother for about five days and sadly he passed away before he was brought home. i have to think that in some way, in some deep level, there was -- i've always felt like i needed a brother.

i have a beautiful sister. a couple years younger than me. but there was maybe some kind of subconscious need for it a brother. and when i met steven, aside from the musical connection, we found a lot of common ground. ♪ >> it's rare that we see joe perry without a guitar attached at the hip, but the first guitar came from sears. tell me about that. >> they had a brand of musical instruments that you could buy. and i had finally convinced my part parents that i wasn't going to give them any rest until i got a g gi guitar. so they bought me a student guitar and it was $12.95 and it came with a string for a san francisco and an instruction 45. i put the guitar -- i'm left handed, so i put the guitar the

way a left happennder would pla naturally and i put the 45 on and it said to put the neck in my left hand and the pick in high right. and that's how i learned how to play backwards so to speak. >> one of the coolest things in the book, you explain that the band in an early era was the subject of a harvard study on motivation but you've never seen the file. what's up with that? >> we never saw that. a professor at harvard was doing a study on motivation and he said would you like to come in and i'll pay you $10 a day a piece to let me study your motivation so to speak. and we went through a whole battery of psychological testing. i mean, we ate well for two weeks. it was great. >> aerosmith went to harvard. >> yeah, we did.

and we often think about it because we never saw the results. and i have to think somewhere in the archives at harvard, wherever they store their stuff, there are a couple of boxes that would have that stuff. i mean, to this day, we have no idea -- i'd love to see it. >> i have this extraordinary producer who shows up onset every day wearing an aerosmith t-shirt. i'm bringing him in. his name is jay conroy and i want him the shot at asking the final question. so here you go, my man. >> joe is the only guy i know who can get away with smoking in a bookstore. you didn't know where to put it out because you were in a bookstore. >> actually, i smoke pipe tobacco, i take a few puffs and throw it away. i know it's bad for me and all that. but i love the taste. i've inhaled other things,

but -- >> and he writes about all of them in the book. joe, great to have you here. thank you so much. >> thank you. all right. thank you for joining me. don't forget, you can follow me on twitter if you can spell smerconish. see you next week. hello, everyone. you're in the cnn newsroom. i'm deborah feyerick in new york. it was supposed to be an adventure in commercial space travel. but a billionaire passenger spacecraft experienced a catastrophic failure over the mojave desert. pilot michael alsbury was killed in the accident, another pilot seriously injured. alsbury was 39. he worked for a company named scaled composites and was hired by richard branson to perform test flights on virgin spaceship

two. the goal, to make commercial space tourism safe and available to the public. stephanie elam joins me now. every pilot knows that risk is a part of space flight. these brave pilots really pushing the bounds. what have you learned about the second pilot? >> reporter: that is so true. and we now know the name of the second pilot. he's 43-year-old peter s bechlt ibold, injuries ranging from minor for major. we do know that he did survive the crash at this point. it's a close community. a lot of people even in they're not here, if they're part of the space community, they also know each other. so the whole community seems to be mourning the loss and also the catastrophe that happened here yesterday. >> it's always when you have so much forward momentum, this kind of thing really sort of stops everyone in their tracks. branson is not speaking about