>> you can see the wreaths at the top. this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news at this hour on cnn. you're looking live, this is buffalo, new york, under siege from a thundersnow. that's right. i said thundersnow. unprecedented snow, monster storm that's already dropped more than 70 inches of snow and stranded a woman's basketball team on their bus for nearly a full day. we're going to talk with them in just moments here on cnn. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. thank you for joining us. also tonight, law and order. new charges against bill cosby. and fresh outrage over charles manson. you remember it, the ultimate hollywood horror story. pregnant sharon tate slaughtered in her home along with four of her friends killed by the

cultish followers of manson. now at the age of 80 manson is marrying a 26-year-old woman. who is she? we're going to hear from her and sharon tate's sister is outraged by it. she's here tonight as well. model janice dickinson says bill cosby sexually assaulted her in 2002, in the wake of joan tarshis' allegations last night accusing bill cosby of raping her when she was 19. i want to begin with our breaking news, thundersnow, buffalo, new york, being buried in snow. they could get more than 90 inches this week. martin out in the middle of it. martin, 90 inches, really? >> reporter: yeah, that's astounding even by buffalo figures. they're saying, and the mayor held a briefing a few minutes ago, worst snow he's seen, they know of, at least in the last 40 years. four deaths in erie county. the county around buffalo.

being attributed today to just that snowfall. areas, i should point out there's a bit of a break now. we're in south buffalo. you can see the streets are pretty much deserted. the police cars at the intersection are stopping everybody from going south or going east because the beast, as they call it, is still there and still ferocious. in fact, if you just would go a mile toward the south, we're not allowed to do that, there's a driving ban. it's sheer whiteout, and it's been that way -- reporting from the area, people are reporting -- >> that's our martin savidge reporting from buffalo, new york. martin has been there all day. as we have been reporting, they're being inundated with snow, expected to get more than 9 inche 90 inches. you're looking at time lapse images coming into cnn earlier today from our affiliate in boston. a thundersnow. many people had not heard about it. living in chicago area so long, we had lake-effect snow there

and would get thundersnow in the middle of winter. it is real. 90 inches in a short amount of time. that's a lot for anyone to deal with, and even buffalo, new york, which gets snow a lot. resources are really dwindling and they're concerned about people getting to and fro and power and electricity. this is breaking news on cnn. as we mentioned at the top of this hour, that a team was stranded. we're going to talk about that. in the middle of the snowstorm tonight. the niagara university women's basketball team stranded on their team bus on i-90 for more than 20 hours and they are begging for rescue right now. joining me now via skype is head coach kendra fouston. thank you for joining me so much. how long have you guys been stranded? >> 24 hours. >> 24 hours. >> hi, team, how you doing? >> hi, guys, he says. >> hi. >> are you guys getting -- are

you doing okay? >> yeah, we're okay. >> how many of you are out there on the bus, and do you guys have food and water? >> we have a little bit of snack food. not very much water. >> yeah. >> so if you asked our team, they would say we have no food. >> you have no food. >> we have a couple granola bars. >> well, you better make them last, because, again, the forecast is for 90 inches of snow. that is crazy. tell us exactly -- we're seeing on a map where you are. what are you seeing around you? other cars, vehicles? is it just a huge pile of snow? what's going on? >> you know, really what we can see is the bus in front of us, and then we know that there's a car behind us. it's actually tom's car. he's on our bus now. there's tom. tom joined us. but that's really -- that's really all we can see. the visibility comes and goes. for a long time we couldn't see

anything surrounding us, you know, except for 20 feet on either side of the bus. >> right. >> now we can see some lights that we couldn't see, so it seems to be getting better is what we're hoping, but more importantly, we're just hoping to get on the move. >> so, kendra, i want you -- i don't want you to ruin a signal or anything, but can you sort of show us outside a little bit? i don't know how much visibility you have. what can you show us? >> sure. yeah. we can -- can you ask bill if he can open the door, please? we sure can. >> open the door. >> as you do that, you heard anything from emergency workers, kendra? >> have we heard anything from the emergency workers? >> yeah. >> no. that's been, you know, a little bit of our frustration is that we're not really sure. >> that's outside of the bus. >> we don't know what's going on. that's what we see behind us, and that i don't even know what that is. and this is what we see in front

of us. you know, it's still snowing. these drifts are, you know, to your knee or thigh area on the side of the bus. thank you. >> so, how many -- can you get a sense of how many people are in front or behind you, kendra? >> we can't. what we hear is 120 people, but we have no idea. we really have no idea. >> 120 people as in 120 cars? or 100 people? >> cars. 120 cars. >> my goodness. >> that's what we hear. >> so what is -- how did you guys get stuck? was it just from drifts? was it an accident, what? >> you know, i think it was just really the bad weather that the roads weren't plowed. it got really bad really fast. and then i'm assuming that somebody in the front of the line got stuck and everyone else had to stop and that's how we ended up where we are.

seems like a -- >> go ahead, kendra. >> yeah, it seems like the only conclusion, because i know i wouldn't think that anyone would shut down an interstate while we were on it, and then, you know, leave us stranded. so i'm assuming there's cars at the front stuck. >> so you showed us outside. you said the drifts are pretty big, right? you haven't -- i'm not asking you to step out in it. what i'm meaning is can you leave the bus? are you able to leave the bus? is that a possibility? >> well, we could go outside if we wanted to. there's nowhere to go, yeah. i mean -- tom says the snow is too high. >> snow's too high. waist high. i went back and forth to my car a couple times. >> tom, what did you say, tom? say again? speak up? >> he went -- >> i went back and forth to my car a couple times, and snow is

waist high. so it's not easy to get back and forth in that snow. >> waist high. >> so i don't think anybody wants to go outside. >> yeah. shouldn't go outside in it. there's nowhere to go. there's nowhere to even walk to that's close enough that would be remotely safe to get to. >> my goodness. you have two small children with you? >> yeah. we have my son is 18 months, a year and a half. he's sleepsleeping. my other one is way back there somewhere with our point guard. they've been entertaining him all day. so, yeah, it's been -- they keep things light. it's been interesting. >> how are your kids doing? >> they're good. you know, they're good. i think they'll be really hungry and crabby in the morning. which will be -- i think everyone will be hungry and crabby in the morning. they're just a little bit more vocal about it. >> where are they? can you show me their kids? what happens in the morning when

they don't have breakfast or daddy, you know what i mean? >> yeah, i'm not sure. i'm not sure. i don't want to find out. i'm hoping that we're going to be on the move at this point in time. >> who's that little one right there? >> this is -- >> uh-oh. did we lose her? i think we lost her. we'll try to get them back. you can imagine on the bus there, niagara university women's basketball team we're talking to the head coach there. and they are stuck. they said they have been stuck there for almost 24 hours and as you heard, one of the men, when of the chaperons on the bus, saying -- if we can put some of the pictures back up because we're talking about what's happening in boston in that area. saying that the snow is waist deep around them. and when they were stuck, they weren't sure if it was from traffic or if it was from drifts but according to them, there's 100 and some people in line behind them. who knows how many people are in front of them at this moment.

imagine being on the bus with all those people then having your two children with you and we saw her one son there and then she said an 18-month-old with her as well, and to get outside to even go to the restroom or get fresh air, what have you, is going to be really tough with the waist-deep snow. again, what you're looking at now, time lapse from the snow coming in. thundersnow happening there. 90 inches of snow expected in the buffalo, new york, area, from this snowstorm that is rolling through rapidly. and we'll continue to follow. if we get them back, we'll bring them back here on cnn. when we come back right, the latest on the shocking allegations against bill cosby. model janice dickinson says cosby sexually assaulted her in 1982. how will cosby respond to theny charges? also, you heard the accusations from joan tarshis. she was here last night. she's back with the rest of her story. outrage over notorious murderer charles manson. he's planning to marry a 1

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welcome back, everyone. breaking news tonight, college woman's basketball team stranded in a monster snowstorm on their team bus on i-90 for more than 20 hours and begging for rescue. back with me now via skype is head coach kendra fausin. you said you left pitt yesterday at 10:00. it's been 24 hours you guys have

been on the road. i see you have your little one with you, cal who's 3, blake is 18 months somewhere in the back. >> yep. >> police say anything to you? have you heard from them about when they can possibly rescue you or get you some help? >> yeah, we've heard a lot of different timelines today, and none of them have worked out, so that is -- that's the disheartening part. you can go up there. go ahead. go. okay. so, you know, that's the frustrating part. yeah, it's time for bed. >> cal, don't cry, cal. >> don't cry. >> you okay, buddy? >> it's okay. >> good. >> so you're going to have to deal with that in that cooped up space. you don't really know, right, kend kendra? >> yeah. it's just -- it's been a little bit crazy, and -- okay. we've heard a couple different stories and, you know, i just

don't know. you know, we thought someone was going to at least bring us water and that hasn't happened. >> listen, if there's anything we can do to help -- can you do some snow for water? is that possible? >> yeah, that's what we've been doing. >> you have been? >> yep. so that's a way -- worst-case scenario that we can hop out there, grab some snow and melt it. >> okay. keep us updated. let us know how you're doing. all right. kendra fausin, head coach of the niagara women's university basketball team. stuck out on i-90 since 2:00 a.m. this morning. on the road for 24 hours. we'll keep in touch with them. meantime, rape allegations mounting against bill cosby. janice dickinson came forward claiming she was a victim back in 1982. will bill cosby be forced to break his silence and address these allegations?

michaelekchael smerconish is an attorney, anchor of cnn's "smerconish" and i watch him every weekend on cnn. you hear about this a lot on your radio show, bill cosby said nothing regarding the allegations of rape. over a dozen women, we've had two of them on, have spoken an it. here they are. >> i would wake up completely confused, half dressed, and knowing that my body had been touched without my permission. >> he made me have oral sex with him which really was just horrible. much, much -- to me, it's much, much worse than had he just raped me the normal way. >> joan tarshis, the second woman there, is going to be back with us this evening. you're an attorney. these women are alleging bill cosby is a serial rapist. now, what, can anything happen to him? >> well, he's being tried right now, right? in the court of public o pin

whereon. and frankly, don, i think he's being convicted as we speak. as a legal matter, the statute of limitations has run on these claims that are 30, even 40 years old. here's what i keep asking myself. you just used the word "serial." if all of these women are telling the truth, and to me, they have a ring of credibility, there's a sandusky element to this. you, of course, remember the defensive coordinator for penn state. when there's one allegation, when there's two allegations, i think that people are free to dismiss some of it. when there are a dozen and they're all telling the exact same story, it becomes much more difficult to believe bill cosby. what i keep asking myself is, even though he's older, it would be awfully hard to shut down the kind of behavior that they're alleging, and so what i'm listening for is a very recent incident, and it wouldn't shock me if all of a sudden someone should emerge and say, hey, it happened to me, too, but it wasn't 30 years ago, it was much more recent. and that's when he'll have a real legal dilemma.

>> yeah. you're in philly, michael. i lived there. we worked in the same building. the guy's a legend there. i'm sure people are talking about it there, on your radio show. what are people in philly saying? >> you get much more of a mixed reaction, i think closer to home, than you would in the country. it's a worldwide story, or, you know, the further you get from philadelphia, i'll express it this way, i think the more disbelieving they are of cosby. close to home, i do hear people say, well, why did they all wait so long? and why didn't they go to the police? so there's more skepticism, i would say, closer here where he is a beloved figure. >> yeah. it's -- you're right. he is being tried in court of public opinion, but it's really tough when you have so many women who say they don't know each other and they all have very similar stories, coming forward. as you said, you heard that, you know, in the sandusky case. first it was one, two, then you get a number of them. can we move on, michael? i want to talk to you about the nfl now.

>> sure. >> adrian peterson suspended without pay for the rest of the season for injuring his 4-year-old when he was disciplining him with a switch. commissioner roger goodell said he showed noremorse. do you think this is right, this is a good call from goodell? >> i don't think goodell had a choice choice. i think adrian peterson is paying a price for ray rice. the ray rice videotape in the elevator served notice to the public of perhaps what's been going on in terms of the nfl cutting too much slack for its players. i think as a practical matter, goodell was backed up against the wall, but you know, don, that the union is raising a fuss over there and they're saying, hey, it was ultimately a misdemean misdemeanor, and i don't know that he, he, goodell, is on such secure ground as a legal proposition. practical consideration, i get it. from a legal standing, it would not surprise me if the union were successful in pushing goodell for reinstatement. >> yeah, and they're trying to clean up their image, so you

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there's outrage tonight over charles manson. it appears the convicted mass murderer is getting married. he's 80 years old and in prison for life. manson masterminded the grisly helter-skelter murders in hollywood back in 1969. who would parry a man like him? his bride to be is 54 years old -- 54 years younger i should say, and she talked to cnn's ted roland. >> this is the 26-year-old woman who's getting ready to marry 80-year-old charles manson. her legal name is afton burton, but manson has named her star. she dropped the news to us about her marriage to manson a few months ago during an interview we did with her in california.

>> i am charles manson's wife. >> wife? are you married? >> we are technically, the paperwork hasn't gone through yet, but we already consider each other to be husband and wife. >> reporter: that paperwork is a marriage license and it's just been issued by kings county, california. they have 90 days to get married in corcoran state prison where manson is an inmate. day will not be allowed to consummate the marriage because manson doesn't qualify for visits. charles manson is serving a life sentence for seven of the most infamous and gruesome murders in american history. the 1969 tate/labianca murders. the victims were butchered. the blood was used to write messages. while manson didn't kill any of the victims, he was convicted of being the mastermind behind the twisted killing spree which was carried out by hi his devoted foll followers.

are you in love? >> yeah. why would i marry somebody if i -- >> i'm just asking. >> okay. >> people get married for all kinds of different reasons in this country. >> i guess so. i wouldn't. >> reporter: but manson might when asked about the marriage last year, manson told "rolling sto stone" magazine, quote, that's a bunch of garbage, we're playing that for public consumption. >> people think you're crazy. >> i really don't care. >> reporter: when we first met star several years ago, she told us she was drawn to manson because of his environmental philosophy that he calls atwa. >> atwa stands for air, trees, water, and animals. >> did you know that 900 redwood trees get cut down every day? 900 redwood days, that's 900,000 years of sunlight you're taking off this planet. >> reporter: after sefb years of living near manson's prison, star's main focus now is to clear her future husband's name and get him out of prison. she says he is innocent.

>> they all know that he did not break the law. they all know that they're keeping him hostage in there. >> reporter: by marrying manson, some people believe star will gain more access to manson. not true, according to the california department of corrections. what she will get is worldwide attention as being charles manson's wife. ted rowlands, cnn. >> sharon tate was married to film director roman polansky and was nearly nine months pregnant when murdered by manson's followers. joining me now, debra tate, sharon's sister. thank you for coming on this evening. i appreciate it. can you hear me, debra? apparently debra can't hear us. debra, you there? all right. we've lost contact with debra. we're going to take a quick break. we'll come right back. ♪

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right? >> yes, i can. thank you. >> thank you for coming on. you know, it's been 45 years since your sister was brutally murdered by manson's female followers. so-called family. what did you think when you heard that this 80-year-old murderer now has permission to get married to a 26-year-old? >> i have very mixed feelings. my first reaction is she's possibly setting herself up for a very big disappointment, or she's as much of a con artist as he is. those are your two possibilities. unfortunately, we may never know what the motives are for this marriage, but i'm sure that it's to manipulate something, that's the nature of the manson family killers. day are very much manipulators and con artists and they're doing what they do. >> afton burton is 26 years old.

she's the same age as your sister when she was murdered. she says that she loves charles manson and thinks that he is innocent. if you could speak to her right now, what would you say to her? >> i think that she's setting herself up for a major disappointment. i've looked at the facts long and hard, and from a neutral position, and there is nothing that's going to change the outcome of this trial. charles is not innocent because he sought out to influence others. and in the state of california, you don't have to actually wield the knife, yourself, by influencing others. you're just as guilty. he's also guilty of many murders prio prior. i believe that there's evidence enough to support that there were other killings out at the barker ranch. and there's evidence of even killing off his own family members.

these are very aggressive predatory killers. i hate to see any young person get sucked into this. that's what i'm fighting for, that's what i'm all about to convince the world these people are influential over the young minds of america. >> do you think he should be allowed to get married? >> no, i don't. i do not. i don't. if it were up to me, heinous crime commiters would not have the privileges that free men have in jail. >> yeah. you know, as i was talking to the members of my team here, i'm surprised that you have the courage to come on. i remember this when i was a child, and i'm sure you remember the movie "helter-skelter" and so on. it's just frightening for someone who's not connected to this. so when something happens like this, when something comes up with charles manson or anyone that has to do with the so-called manson family, does it bring it all back to you? is it ever really far away from

you? >> it's never really very far away from me. if not for my own situation, but as a victims rights advocate, i have to stay in touch with my feelings so that i might be able to help other people that have just recently lost their loved ones. so if i'm not fighting for victims' rights then i'm fighting for the sanity of another individual and i have to relive my own feelings in order to help that individual through their trauma. >> you mentioned the influence that he has, i know other members of the manson family, they have on young minds and young people. he still gets about 35 letters a week. he gets more mail than any other inmate in california history. why do you think this case fascinates so many people, and why are people still influenced by him? >> well, i almost hate to give him credence, but it's the urban legend of the boogeyman.

there's -- it's the age-old story of the boogeyman when -- and nobody is safe in their own home. this is a practice that he taught his followers to go in and violate people in their most secure environment. this is the mind of a domestic terrorist. >> you know, it's interesting, if you look at afton, or star as she calls herself, and you look at one of his murderers, one of the -- they are eerily -- they look alike. they favor each other, as we say, in -- >> yes, they do. they favor each other. susan atkins and star do look very similar. >> do you find that -- what do you make of that? >> um -- >> there's just something weird about it. >> it is weird. it is weird. these are girls that aren't really pretty or, you know, they are pretty enough, but not

beautiful. they're kind of a generic kind of a face. i find star's appearance to be similar to different features of each one of the charles manson girls, as a matter of fact. >> you do? >> yeah, i do. i can see similarities in her features, and each one of the -- leslie van houten and, of course, susan atkins and patricia kernwinkle. >> you're a strong advocate for victims rite s rights and wish best of luck. you have a lot of strength and colonel and appreciate you coming on. thank you. >> thank you so much for having me. when with come back on cnn, the outrage over charles manson. plus one of the women accusing bill cosby of sexual abuse is here tonight with more of her story.

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allegations are just completely untrue. as the scandal grows, cnn's jean casarez has the story of how it all came to light. >> reporter: for bill cosby, it's been a week of allegations from week who athsay they were sexually assaulted in past by the comedian, many claim they were drugged. >> i never saw any drugs, but i would wake up completely confused, half dressed and knowing that my body had been touched without my permission. >> reporter: bowman says she went to cosby's new york apartment alone and cosby flew her all around the country as he performed at various venues but she says the advances were unwelcome. also speaking out, joan tarshis. >> we went up to his biungalow afterwards. he made me a drink and very shortly after that, i just -- i passed out. i woke up, or came to, very

groggily with him removing my underwear. >> reporter: tarshis says in 1969 she voluntarily saw cosby again when he invited her to a performance. after accepting drinks in his hotel and in a limo, she says she woke up the next morning with him in his bed. ironically, cosby released a comedy album that same year titled "it's true, it's true." joking about that very issue. >> you know what, you know anything about -- no, tell me about it. there's this girl, crazy mary. you put something in her drink, man, she's -- >> reporter: but with all the allegations and even after andrea constan went to police saying cosby medicated and fondled her in 2004, the district attorney of montgomery county, pennsylvania, at the time, bruce caster, said there would be no charges. she and cosby settled a civil suit out of court for an undisclosed sum in 2006.

also in 2005, tamara green on the "today" show with a similar story. >> he'd gone from helping me, to groping me and touching me and handling me. >> reporter: in 2005 koszby spoke out for the first and only time saying, "i am not going to give into people who try to exploit me because of my celebrity status." nine years later cosby's attorney john smitt responded to it all with this statement. "over the last several weeks decade old, discredited allegations against mr. cosby have resurfaced. the fact that they are being repeated does not make them true. jean casarez, cnn, new york. >> thank you, jean. i want to bring back now joan tarshis. you heard her story here on cnn last night. that bill cosby raped her when she was just 19 years old. tau thank you for coming in zblau. >> thank you.

>> how is today different than yesterday? >> i'm very tired. today's different because i've received a lot of support from a lot of women. my phone hasn't stopped ringing. i've gotten tons of e-mails, tons of texts. actually somebody that i hadn't known since i was 9 years old got in touch with me and said i'm sorry that it's due to these circumstances, but how are you? >> as you were, you know, on last night, i got lots of people who were saying, why were you so skeptical of joan's story? i was just -- i was just asking you questions. do you think i was being skeptical? >> i thought you were doing your job. >> yeah. that's the tough part of doing this. you do know, as we mentioned last night, as i mentioned, there are a lot of people who don't believe you. >> uh-huh. >> and they say, why didn't you go to police? and why would you put yourself in a position to be with him a second time if you had raped you once? >> well, i didn't go to the police because i was 19 years

old. i was scared. and i thought nobody would believe me. i'm a 19-year-old girl and he was mr. america, mr. jell-o as i called him. why would anybody believe me, take my word against his word? the second time i kind of felt roped into it by my own because i didn't tell my parents and didn't want to tell my parents. >> can i ask you this? and please, i don't mean to be crude, okay? >> yeah. >> you said this last night, that he -- you lied to him and said i have an infection, and if you rape me, or if you do -- if you have intercourse with me, then you will probably get it and give it to your wife. >> right. >> you said he made you perform oral sex. >> right. >> you -- you know, there are ways not to perform oral sex if you didn't want to do it. >> i was kind of stoned at the time, and quite honestly, that

didn't even enter my mind. now i wish it would have. >> right. meaning the using of the teeth, right? >> yes. >> as a weapon. >> i didn't even think of it. >> biting. >> ouch. >> yes. i had to ask. >> yes. no, it didn't cross my mind. >> since we spoke last night, you heard supermodel janice dickinson made allegations against bill cosby now. she said it happened back in 1928. she also says she tried to write about it in her book, i think it was 2005, but his lawyers sent the publishing company a letter and told them not to write about it and she couldn't. so let's listen to what janice said. >> after dinner in my room, he'd given me wine and a pill and the next morning i woke up and i wasn't wearing my pajamas and i remember before i passed out that i had been sexually assaulted by this man. the last thing i remember was

bill cosby -- patchwork robe, and getting on top. and i remember a lot of pain. >> so, again, i have to say these are unproven allegations. she claims, again, it was back in 1982. the circumstances all sound familiar to you at the same -- what do you make of what she said, what janice said? >> well, it's always the ploy of business, getting into business with the person, helping the person's career. he was going to help her singing career. he didn't necessarily say he was going to help my career, but writing comedy with him after writing with godfreed would have definitely been a career boost. >> do you think that -- because i know janice. janice and i aren't friends, but we're friendly. i actually called her tonight

and asked her to appear on this program. i hope she'll consider it. janice, she is an unusual person, so to speak. do you think that adds credibility or does it take credibility away since janice is so out there sometimes? >> well, i don't think janice is that out there anymore. i think she was out there, and i think that people can change, and i think it's very possible that she has -- that she has changed. i don't know. i don't know her. >> and for someone who's already famous, how does that help them? >> i think that that helps the cause. no pun intended. >> you don't think it helps -- there would be a reason she doesn't really need any more fame? >> i don't think so. i don't believe so. she's pretty well known. >> jean casarez mentioned the former d.a. in pennsylvania, bruce caster, he believes that bill cosby likely did something inappropriate in 2005 in the case of andrea constant, you

didn't know about it when it was happening, but he never filed criminal charges. listen to this. >> i certainly thought he probably did something he shouldn't have, and i wasn't a fool. i knew if i arrested him, i was going to become a very famous man. i have a lot of incentive to want to go ahead. had she reported it in time, we could have checked her blood or hair and nails if it was weeks gone by to see if she had anything in her system that didn't belong there. we could have done a forensics check on cosby's house. >> he said the former d. a. felt there wasn't the evidence there a year after. what do you make of what he said, no arrest, nothing? >> i don't agree with him. i think he should have followed through if he had suspicions. but i can understand that he didn't want to because he didn't want to put himself in the limelight and then, perhaps, be cast asunder by the army and

legal army cosby probably has. sort of like, you know, the o.j. army that he lawyered himself up with. cosby's not a fool. >> are you out to get bill cosby? >> no. >> do you hold a vendetta against bill cosby? >> no. would i like to see nbc not go through with his series? you betcha. you betcha i would. >> because? >> because you reap what you sew and it's time for him to face the music and maybe if this does happen, maybe he'll get some help. i mean, where there's life, there's hope. i know he's 77. it's kind of -- you can't change -- turn, you know, the old dog. i can't say it. >> new tricks. >> new tricks for an old dog. but maybe. >> thank you, joan. we've got a lot more to come here on the allegations against bill cosby when we come right back. i have a cold

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welcome back, everyone. you have heard from two of bill cosby's accusers here on cnn. i want to know what my experts think of these charges. joining me now is lisa bloom, legal analyst with abo.com. trial attorney and founder of the bloom firm. also drew pinsky, host of "dr. drew on call". and marc lamont hill, cnn

political commentator. we heard from joan tarshis. i spoke to barbara bowman as well. two women who seem credible with nothing to gain, at least if my estimation, by comie ining forw. how damaging is this? >> well, it's obviously very damaging. i had a sort of an expert, interrogation expert on my program, she looked at specifically the sort of indicators on these women, whether or not they're likely to have been telling the truth and felt as though they really met every indicator she knew of. number two, from a clinical standpoint, there's nothing inconsistent in terms of what the women have reported of the kinds of person who get themselves into these kinds of situation. why they don't get help, why they feel ashamed, why they may have taken so long to come forward with this. of course, i don't know whether this is true or not. >> lisa, i have to ask you this, did you hear michael smerconish when he said, the issue is, these are past the statutes of limitations. now he's fighting for the court of public opinion.

if someone comes up with a newer allegation, if women start coming forward, then that's the issue, that's when cosby could face some really big problems coming up. >> right. you know, the real story here is not bill cosby, and not janice dickinson and not these accusers. it's that we live in a criminal justice system that does not believe women. that does not support rape victims. every agent, every lawyer who told these victims, don't come forward, every police officer who didn't investigate, every district attorney who didn't prosecute mr. cosby when allegation after allegation has been made against him, is culpable in my opinion. i mean, how many women have to come forward before we have to start taking this seriously? >> absolutely. >> that's the problem. that's why every day women don't come forward because we don't trust the system. guess what, we still don't. >> go ahead, marc. >> it's absolutely true. i'm tweeting stuff, announcing the segment. i just tweeted a few minutes ago about this. so many of the responses are, how do we know this happened? why shouldn't we trust bill cosby? some people even said all he's

done for our community we shouldn't be worried about this. our default position seems to be to deny the legitimacy of rape claims. evidence shows only an infinite amount of women lie about rap erk claims. mostwomen are telling the truth. the other problem here, in the conversation of a broader rape culture, when you look at the standup routine from a couple decades ago, the crowd is laughing. he did that on multiple stages. that's a hit. we make light of rape, trivialize rape. it's a rape culture. >> it's interesting, when this came up, everyone had a healthy skepticism initially. right? even myself, mostly men, would say, well, you know, women lie about rape and how do we know and what have you? but that is, as you said, marc, it seems to be the default position especially for men and even for an older generation. younger people not so much. and i'm speaking in broader

terms here. and then, marc, compare that, you know, juxtaposition, it's so extreme. presidential medal of honor winner, cultural icon, entertainment giant, and now this. his legacy, what will bill cosby's legacy be? will he still have a great legacy? is it always tainted by rape allegations, marc? >> sadly, it may not be tapt ta by this. a long history of figures who engaged in sexual abuse, sexual assault. we don't see it as that big of a deal as a society. that's why he's able to get awards after allegations like this come out because people just don't care as much as they should. it's a real tragic circumstance. and money and wealth only make it harder to really criticize or challenge him. >> all right. we're going to continue to follow that story, again, we have invited bill cosby on the show, again, he's denied all these allegations. mr. cosby, if you'd like to come on and clear the air, we'd love to have you. as well as janice dickinson. we'd appreciate all of you to

come on the program and talk about it. let's change subjects. i want to talk about charles manson. lisa, this question is for you. you heard sharon tate's sister, debra, say he shouldn't get a marriage license. do you think he should be allowed to get married? >> you know, the supreme court has said that americans have a fundamental right to marry. that was back in the 1960s. that's why prisoners like charles manson do. the irony, of course, in 17 states same-sex couples still can't get married. charles manson can get married but my brothers and sisters still can't in a lot of states. that's the outrage i feel about this story. >> it's funny, funny ironic, but nost funny. let's take it away from charles manson, at least -- >> dr. drew, in the final seconds we have left, do this quickly, what is she thinking, this woman? >> she's thinking that she sees something special in him that no one else does. it's something we call love addiction or way of

understanding it as love addiction. he's so special -- >> five seconds, dr. drew. >> they idealize them and they then delude themselves into these kraszsy thoughts. >> that is is. thank you, guys. i'm don lemon. see you back here tomorrow night. "a.c. 360" starts right now. good evening, i'm jim sciuotto. anderson is off tonight. thank you for watching. breaking news on every front tonight including what could be a truly massive auto recall affecting millions of vehicles. almost certainly your safety. breaking news on the weather as well. parts of upstate new york now under 2 feet of snow. 3 feet. 4 feet in places. with nearly 6 feet now in the forecast. and it is still coming down as we speak. also, what began with the massacre of four rabbis including three americans at prayer in a jerusalem synagogue has now claimed another life and is threatening to ignite a religious powder keg. we begin here at home. when we sta