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it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington. 6:00 p.m. in london. 8:00 p.m. in jerusalem. 9:00 p.m. in baghdad. wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us. we begin with the breaking news in the showdown over immigration reform here in the united states. cnn has learned president obama will announce tomorrow night he's taking executive action, unilateral action on the issue. he'll address the american people during primetime. once again, tomorrow night. that puts him on a collision course with so many republicans who say he will be overstepping his legal authority. our coverage this hour begins with our white house correspondent, michelle kosinski, and our chief congressional correspondent, dana bash. michelle, what do we know about the specifics of what the president will say when he makes his announcement tomorrow night? >> reporter: as we are getting closer, more is coming out from government sources and others, people who have been close to the discussion over this. and it looks like it will include the parents of u.s. citizens, parents of people who
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have some legal status here, like green cards. but potentially will not include parents of the so-called dreamers, people who were brought here as children and are already eligible for what's known as deferred action or they are able to avoid deportation under action that president obama took in 2012. so it doesn't seem that those parents will be included. and the ones that will -- the ones that we will mention that we have mentioned will be included under this executive action. it's possible that they will have had to be in this country for maybe five years, maybe ten years. keep in mind, there's not yet been an announcement or really any detail coming out of the white house directly. so of the people that have been included that we believe will be included in this action, that could be upwards of 3 million people, possibly 3.2 million, 3.5 million. we mention those defer action, the dreamers. when president obama took action
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in 2012, that is expected to be extended as well. so that will include more people. so we're looking at people who were brought here as children and some parents of people who already have legal status in this country, wolf. >> so we're talking about 3 million, 3.5 million, michel, about 11 million undocumented workers in the united states. so the remaining, they will presumably still be on this potential watch list to be deported, is that what the president will tell the american people tomorrow night? >> reporter: it's possible. there could be other stipulations. there could be some leeway for special cases where families -- it would be a real hardship for them to be broken apart. we just don't know what kind of slope there will be for those cases. but what these people who are included under the umbrella are expected to be able to get would be the avoidance of deportation, possibly temporarily. this could be something under
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deferred action. they have to apply for that every two years. this could be the same thing. and they also have the right to work in this country. so in simple terms, this is not as of yet at least a path to citizenship. it's basically the right to stay in this country for the time being and the right to work here, wolf. >> stand by, michelle. i want to go to dana bash up on the hill. dana, i assume there's going to be a very negative, angry republican reaction. >> reporter: there already has been, wolf. we've all heard republicans warning the president not to do this this morning, the number two senate republican, john cornyn, was already on the floor because he said he'd heard this was going to happen. it was not a well-kept secret the president was planning this as early as this week. he called the president somebody who was abusing his power. the speaker's office already early this morning put out a statement calling him emperor obama, reminding reporters that when they write their stories, they should remember the fact
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that the president himself 22 times has suggested over the years that he doesn't have the power to do what he's going to do by executive order. so this is the context in which the president is making this statement signing this paper. but the question is, what are republicans going to do about it? they don't have an answer to that. they have been meeting for days, even weeks to try to figure out what their options are. republican sources admit they don't have good options but they are certainly going to try to fight this legislatively and maybe even legally. >> what do the republicans say when a lot of people point out that republican presidents, including ronald reagan, george h.w. bush, they similarly took executive action to allow certain people who had come to the united states illegally to remain in the united states? >> reporter: it's a great question. and they're right. republicans did use their executive power when they were in the white house to do similar things. what republicans now are arguing is that it was a different scale and a different time.
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i think if you want to sort of pull back the curtain a little bit, it's much more of an issue of a different time. when ronald reagan was in the white house, he didn't have republican congress where you have so many members who, never mind that they don't trust the president, it was somebody in their own party, but so many members who are in very conservative districts. it is a different time. the republican party is a different place. and so that is what is causing the heartburn, frankly, if many republican leaders. it's important to underscore that john boehner, the house speaker, mitch mcconnell, who will be the senate majority leader, they want to get this done. when i say "this," some form of immigration reform legislatively because they know how critical it is to grow the republican party and not to make the republican party just the party of white men. and that is their fear going forward. but it will make it a lot harder, they argue, both in private to the president and publicly -- make it harder to do
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so when their rank-and-file won't follow them because of this action. >> here's what the president said about this issue last week while he was still overseas. listen to this. >> i gave the house over a year to go ahead and at least give a vote to the senate bill. they failed to do so. and i indicated to speaker boehner several months ago that if in fact congress failed to act, i would use all the lawful authority that i possess to try to make the system work better. and that's going to happen. that's going to happen before the end of the year. >> that was the president just the other day. let's bring in juan carlos lopez with cnn espanol who's been covering the story. we know the basics of what the president will tell the american people tomorrow night. he's going to go ahead with this unilateral executive action. maybe 3 million, 3.5 million
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people will be affected. they will be allowed to remain legally in the united states. how is this going to play in the hispanic community? >> it's going to be huge, wolf, if you take into account, talking about deferred action. it was announced in 2012 by the president. he obtained 21% of the hispanic vote in the election that year. it could be anywhere between 3.5 million and 5 million people who will benefit directly from this temporary status. we've had temporary protection for eight different countries. it's not about the citizenship. it's not legal status. they can work. they can live. they've been here for a long time. this is going to change people's lives. it has a very deep impact of what could happen in the elections in 2016, on the hispanic vote. and whatever the republicans do to counter those executive actions will be seen as the hispanic community as a sign of what the republican party wants to do with them.
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>> earlier the president did take executive action granting legal residency for the so-called dreamers, the children who are either born here in the united states or came here at a young age, grew up here in the united states. about 600,000 dreamers were affected. they could stay. but apparently based on what we're hearing from the white house, their parents will not receive this kind of special benefit, they will not be able to get some sort of legal residency. i assume there will be some disappointment as far as that's concerned. >> there's been pressure from different groups. most groups want the largest number of people -- this 11 million undocumented to be benefited. with deferred action, it's not a legal residency. it's also a temporary status. they have to apply every two years. it doesn't grant any right to citizenship but gives people the right to work, to get a license in states that most are giving it. there is a lot of pressure, a lot of hope but a lot of controversy will come. it will be an important night. the announcement happens tomorrow night right around the latin grammys. i don't know if there's any
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connection between that or not. but it's going to be a night where a lot of people will be watching tv. >> i'm sure they will. anxious to get the details of specifically what the president is going to say. juan carlos, thanks very much. joining us now for some reaction, the illinois republican congressman adam kinsinger. what's your reaction? are you welcoming what the president is going to do with this executive action or are you critical of the president? >> i'm critical of the process. i'm a supporter of immigration reform. and frankly a lot in my party are supporters of immigration reform. it's something that is going to take a lot of time to talk about it even within my own party on it. this these to have a process where we have debates, bring forward bills. i think the president, frankly, is going to be kind of spoiling the party with this. he's going to tick a lot of people off basically saying, i gave congress time but they
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didn't do what i wanted, therefore, i'm going to do it on my own. it's not so much the issue of what he's doing, although we think he's overstepping his power, but the fact that we have a lot more issues on immigration we have to deal with from border security to high-skilled visas to the other 10 million people unaffected by this. i think this is going to stall that discussion. one of the things i'm concerned about, as your previous guest said, the politics of it. the president may be looking at the politics of this versus actually solving it long term. we have a real opportunity to solve it. but this isn't going to help. >> i know you support immigration reform. a lot of republicans in the house support immigration reform. it was passed overwhelmingly in the senate, republicans joining the democrats to pass it. but the speaker of the house hasn't allowed it to come up for a vote for well over a year. the president says, enough is enough. i have the legal authority to take action, i'm taking action. if congress wants to come up with legislation that i can sign into law, that would supersede
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the executive action he's about to take. what do you make of his argument that the house republican leadership has refused to do what the republican leadership, a lot of republicans in the senate allowed to go forward, that legislation that passed? >> well, as you know, last year with the discussion, with the senate bill, immigration got very divided and it became a hot topic. that's a real issue. you have people running in elections and that comes into play and everything else. but the president doesn't get to pick congress. he doesn't get to make laws if congress doesn't go along with it. we exist for a reason. you may not like everything that goes on in the sausage making of washington, d.c. and behind the doors, but that doesn't mean you can just say, i don't like that, therefore, i'm going to just do it anyway. and i think, again, we have an opportunity with the new congress, a larger republican majority, a republican senate, to get something that we can put on the president's desk, do a little back and forth and ultimately come to something that both sides can maybe hold
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their nose on certain parts of but agree to in a broader package. but anybody that thinks this step friday is going to do anything to make immigration reform more likely out here i think is fooling yourself. it could still happen. i hope it does. but this is not a good start to what needs to be a strong kind of across-the-aisle approach to say, we've had some real issues we need to deal with here. >> because the president presumably will point out thursday night, tomorrow night, he'll make his announcement, he'll follow up with an event in las vegas on friday. he'll make the point that it's going to take several months to begin implementing this new policy, 3 million, 3.5 million people who are here undocumented, they will eventually get some sort of legal status, at least temporary legal status in the united states. congress, it will put the pressure on you guys in congress to come up with legislation. here's the question. will you support legislation going forward similar to what the senate passed if it came up for a vote in the house? >> well, i don't speak in hypotheticals on that.
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but, yeah, if we get something that solves the border issue, first, i'm an international guard pilot. i've worked the border of mexico. and there's a lot of areas that aren't secure. that's going to be important. and dealing with the folks that are here, you're not going to deport everybody and you shouldn't. and high-skilled visas and fixing our immigration system, i would be supportive of something like that. but, again, we need to -- the president -- if he'd come out tomorrow and said, look, i'm going to give the republicans one last shot. i'll delay it till march, give the new congress an opportunity, i think he'll be in a better position. but i'm afraid what's going to happen over the next few days, this whole situation is going to collapse. when the president's out in two years, his executive orders don't necessarily follow with him. >> right, executive order signed by a president can be changed by the next president if it's a republican president. >> right. >> they may change it. if it's a democratic president, they may keep that executive
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order. one final question, congressman, before i let you go, is the president legally authorized to do what he's about to do, revise some of the implementation of existing law? and they point out that former president george h.w. bush did it, that ronald reagan used executive authority to change the implementation of immigration policy. do you have a question about the legal authority that the president has? >> yeah, i do have a question about that. if you look at, i think, past situations where presidents have done that, they've involved congress in a much broader way. of course, i wasn't out here then. but i have some concerns. when we see the orders, people are going to look at this that are constitutional experts and say, is he operating with his authority? but this is something that needs to be done. and i think we have a brief opportunity. but i'm just afraid of what tomorrow is going to bring in terms of fixing the system, if the president goes ahead. sounds like he's going to. >> representative adam kinzinger, thanks for joining
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us. >> thanks, wolf. >> let's get a different perspective. the former los angeles mayor, antonio virllaraigosa is joinin us on the phone. i assume you're happy with what the president is going to announce tomorrow night? >> the answer is yes because i want to keep families together. last year, more than 400,000 families or individuals were deported. this notion that the border is not secure -- it's more secure than it has been at any time in our history. the notion that this is somehow an illegal action, look, for 70 years we've been doing executive action. roosevelt and truman brought in millions of agricultural workers into the united states. eisenhower and johnson and kennedy brought in cuban refugees. my uncle -- my stepdad came in
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as a result of that. you talked about republicans. eisenhower, ford -- all of whom have engaged in executive action. in terms of judicial discretion, we've done it 20 times since the 1970s. so this notion that this is somehow -- by the way, virtually every time the congress has ratified or approved these actions by a president. so this isn't anything new. the president may have said that he didn't have the authority. but he obviously hadn't consulted with lawyers or didn't understand this had been done many, many times for 70 years. >> let me point out to you the president repeatedly said over the past six years under pressure from hispanics and others in the united states to just go ahead and unilaterally sign an executive order changing the rules and he was interviewed on univision about a year or so ago, i want to play for you what the president said then.
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>> there are enough laws on the books by congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as president. >> as you know, mayor, he's a former constitutional law professor at the university of chicago law school. he also pointed out in a separate interview that he's the president of the united states. he's not the emperor of the united states and as a result, he can't simply unilaterally make these executive decisions and change the implementation of the law, to which you say what? >> well, very clearly what i just said. he may have said that again and again and again, but he obviously was wrong. they've been doing it for 70 years. as i said, judicial discretion
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has been exercised 20 times since the 1970s. the only reason he's doing it now is because he knows it is legal. he did his research since those remarks and clearly he believes that he has the authority to do it. presidents have done it before him. and i heard dana bash say that the republicans understand they have limited options here. and they have limited options because, as you said earlier, republican and democratic presidents have done this oftentimes with millions of people, by the way, again and again. >> and that's correct. republican presidents have used executive orders to go ahead and allow certain people to stay here in the united states, people who came here illegally. so i'm sure the president will cite those precedents tomorrow night. >> and the way to cure all of this is to pass a bill. and this notion that people are angry and upset, we're all grown-ups here. when you're duty-bound to address a problem, you fix it.
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and that's what the congress can do. and that's what i hope they will do. >> and the president will certainly put the pressure on congress to go ahead and do that because it will take several months to implement this new policy that could affect 3 million or 3.5 million people who are living in the united states right now. antonio villaraigosa, the former mayor of los angeles, always good to have you here on cnn. thanks for joining us. up next, more on the president's impending decision. we'll get reaction from capitol hill. i'll speak with another member of congress, get his take on the timing, threats from republicans and more. elliott engel of the house foreign affairs committee is standing by. and six feet of snow in just 24 hours. a deadly storm hits the area around buffalo, new york, and the conditions are only going to get worse. we have new information. stay with us. are you on medicare? do you have the coverage you need? open enrollment ends december 7th. don't put it off 'til later.
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comcast business. built for business. president obama will make a major announcement tomorrow night, primetime. he'll go before the american people and announce he's taking unilateral executive action at the white house to allow about 3 million, maybe 3.5 million people who are here in the united states and don't have documentation to remain at least temporarily in the united states and have some sort of legal status. the president only moments ago posted this video on facebook. watch this. >> hi, everybody. tomorrow night, i'm going to be announcing here from the white house some steps that i can take to start fixing our broken immigration system. and then on friday, i'm going to be traveling to a high school in las vegas where two years ago i
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laid out the principles for comprehensive immigration reform. everybody agrees that our immigration system is broken. unfortunately washington has allowed the problem to fester for too long. and so what i'm going to be laying out is the things that i can do with my lawful authority as president to make the system work better, even as i continue to work with congress and encourage them to get a bipartisan comprehensive bill that can solve the entire problem. so tune in tomorrow night at 8:00 here from the white house where i'm going to be making this announcement. and then del sol high school, i'll see you on friday. thanks, everybody. >> the president making that announcement on facebook just a few moments ago. let's get democratic reaction from capitol hill right now. joining us is elliott engel. do you believe the president has the legal authority to unilaterally allow up to 3.5
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million people who don't have documentation to remain in the united states? >> well, let me say, first of all, i think it would be prem preferable to have the congress do it. the senate sent a house to the bill, 16, 17, 18 months ago and the house hasn't acted on it mainly because speaker boehner knows if it was brought to the floor, it would pass. congress still has a chance to pass that bill or some other kind of bill. but i think the president is frustrated that nothing seems to happen. we have 11 million people here who are undocumented or legal, any way you want to say it. and they're not going back. and so my way of thinking, it's ridiculous to have these people in limbo. we all know they're here. we all know they work. i think what the president's doing makes sense and i think he would not be doing it if he thought he didn't have a good,
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sound legal basis to do it. >> because for six years, he didn't -- he repeatedly suggested that he didn't have the legal authority to go ahead and take this kind of action he's about to take. here's a clip -- a separate clip. we earlier played a clip of what he told univision. here's a year and a half ago, february 2013, listen to what he said then. >> it's something that i've struggled with throughout my presidency. the problem is that i'm the president of the united states, i'm not the emperor of the united states. my job is to execute laws that are passed. and congress right now has not changed what i consider to be a broken immigration system. >> so what's your reaction when your hear him give that argument, that's a year and a half ago when he said he's the president, he's not the emperor, and he simply can't do what he's allowed to do? has he flip-flopped?
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>> i guess he thought congress certainly would have passed something and now it's a year and a half. i think his preference would be and my preference as well that the congress acts. but if the congress is simply not going to act, he's going to do what presidents before him have done, ronald reagan and george h.w. bush both acted on immigration. and i think that he's factoring in the fact that there has been inaction by the congress over these 17 or 18 months. >> one of the things presumably based on our reporting he's not going to do is allow the parents of the so-called dreamers, the kids who drew up here in the united states, about 600,000 he gave temporary legal status to earlier through executive action, those parents are not going to be part of this new group that will have access to some sort of legal status in the united states. is that a mistake on his part? >> well, i don't know and i don't know what he's going to do or not do. i just know he's are going to do something. look, i think it's a mistake for congress to punt on this.
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this is a burning issue. it's an issue of fairness and equality. the senate bill that was passed had a little something for everyone in it. it had tighter border security. i'm not one of the people that thinks we shouldn't have border security. i think that we have a right to secure our borders. but i think we can secure our borders and at the same time be compassionate to 11 million people who are here, who are here to stay. you go out anywhere in america in the suburbs or anyplace and see who's taking care of people's lawns and doing the kinds of jobs that nobody else wants to do, these people are here and we want to make them work their way to citizenship. the senate bill, i think, provided a 14-year term before many of these people could become citizens. that's hardly amnesty. i just think that the republicans are being ridiculous and unrealistic about all this. and i think the president is frustrated and fed up.
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and i think he's made the decision to go ahead and do the kinds of things that presidents before him have done. >> should these millions of people who are now going to get some sort of legal status to remain in the united states be eligible for health benefits, federal health benefits, for example, because we're told they won't be? >> well, that's another issue. i think the first issue we really need to deal with is taking away the limbo that these 11 million people have. and then we can make those other decisions afterwards. but, again, i think the plan -- that bipartisan plan that was passed by the senate that makes these people work their way to citizenship, 14 years in some instances, pay a fine and continue to do what they've been doing. no one believes if the president does nothing and congress does nothing that these people are going back. they're here to stay. we ought to make a system that works and i think that's what president obama is trying to do. >> eliot engel, congressman,
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welcome back to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer reporting from washington. a powerful polar blast is putting the entire united states in a deep freeze right now. but no place is getting hammered like my hometown of buffalo, new york. in the last 24 hours alone, get this, up to six feet of snow, that's nearly two meters, has buried homes and shut down roads. at least six people have died in the storm. that number could climb as rescue crews try to reach people who may be stranded along the roadside in frigid temperatures. the new york state governor, andrew cuomo, has declared a state of emergency in the area and is holding a briefing later on this hour. a well-beloved buffalo resident is joining us on the phone. jim kelly, the legend hall of fame quarterback for the buffalo
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bills, one of my personal heroes, as a lot of our viewers know. jim, first of all, tell us about what you're seeing, how's your family doing? are you guys snowed? what's going on? >> yeah, we're pretty much snowed in. i'm probably five minutes away from the stadium. and we got between four and five feet of snow. we have not left our home. it's me, my wife, my brother ray and of course my daughter cameron. interesting thing, my daughter from college who goes to liberty university is trying to get a flight here. hopefully she'll make it in tomorrow safely. but we're pretty much buried here. i have a guy who's going to get his front-end loader and try to get me out of here. our street is plowed but i live in the woods. so my driveway has about four to five feet. and the plow guy can't plow me out. we're waiting for a friend to get his equipment so i can at least maybe get in my equipment
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and hopefully get out of here sometime soon. >> do you have enough power, electricity, food, water, is all that okay? >> oh, yeah, we've got that all pretty much -- we have a generator. thank god the power's not gone out yet. we've been pretty good. i know a lot of other people across this year that have lost power. they're not able to -- but there's a lot of good neighbors. wolf, you know this, the buffalo people rally around each other. you love your neighbor and that's how it is here. somebody needs help, there's always somebody there to join in. hopefully that total of deaths won't go up too much higher because of the love of people around here that support each other. >> more snow is on the way, especially in south buffalo and the areas south of buffalo where you live. so this may not be over with by any means. even those of us who grew up in buffalo and you live in buffalo, we're used to snow. but this one right now is
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historic. they say this is the worst snowstorm in the buffalo area in 40 years, is that right? >> yeah, i think so. probably more than that. they talked about the blizzard of '77, and i'm sure you remember that. right here in this area right here, lancaster area, it's pretty good. that's why i'm trying to get my buddy -- mario williams who's my next-door neighbor had to go to practice. and he had a bobcat that he did his. and he's going to do mine after practice. i can't wait for him. we're supposed to get two more feet of snow. so i'm glad i have a good buddy who's going to get his, bring it over, get rid of the snow i have in my driveway right now, which is probably 500, 600 yards long and get rid of it before these next two feet move in. >> your wife, jill, was sending us some amazing pictures of
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what's going on. will the bills play the jets in buffalo this weekend? is that a definite or is that on hold? >> it's still on hold. i saw some pictures of the stadium. one thing is getting the parking lot and trying to find places to put the snow. if you looked inside the stadium, that holds like 73,000 people. to get four feet of snow out of each seat, i don't know how they're going to do it. i really don't. i can't see the game going on. but you never know. the way the bills are, they'll try to get it so we can play the new york jets. we'll see. but it doesn't look very good from what i see from my home looking at what they've taken pictures of inside the ralph. >> yeah. ralph wilson, the longtime owner of the buffalo bills who recently passed away, a great man indeed. one final question, jim, before i let you go. how are you feeling? >> i'm getting better. i finally got my i.v. taken out
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of my arm, my pick line. i had a bone infection called mrsa. that's now passed, thank god. i continue to press on. i've still got my feeding tube in. but i've eaten a lot of solid foods. trying to keep my energy level up. my wife, my daughter cameron, i cannot ask for anything better. i'm so blessed. to have such great support. a couple of my brothers, my brother ray and brother danny, i could go on and on to all the brothers that have helped support me. they've rallied around me. i'm just blessed to have some great people. >> we wish you only the best you and your entire family, all of our friends, our fellow buffaloians, good luck to all of you during this tough period. jim kelly, you led our buffalo bills to four, not three, not
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two, but four super bowls in a row. that was an amazing time for all of us. jim kelly, former quarterback of the buffalo bills, joining us. good luck in buffalo with all that snow. just ahead, the day after the massacre worshippers returning to a sanctuary where attackers killed five people. what will israel's next move be? a senior adviser to the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu standing by to join us from jerusalem. a simple question:asked peoe in retirement, will you have enough money to live life on your terms? i sure hope so. with healthcare costs, who knows. umm... everyone has retirement questions. so ameriprise created the exclusive confident retirement approach. now you and your ameripise advisor.... can get the real answers you need. start building your confident retirement today.
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we're just getting this in from our dana bash and athena jones. the president invited democratic congressional leaders to have dinner with him tonight over at the white house, according to a democratic congressional source, source familiar with the invitation said on the agenda, of course, the president's announcement tomorrow night that he will go ahead and allow millions of people who are living here in the united states, undocumented immigrants,
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to stay, maybe 3 million, 3.5 million, maybe 4 million. he's going to make that announcement in a primetime address to the american people tomorrow night, 8:00 p.m. eastern. we'll have much more on this coming up. he's going to have dinner tonight with the democratic congressional leaders over at the white house. other news we're following, security right now very tight, tensions high in jerusalem following the attack on a synagogue that left five people dead. worshippers returned to that synagogue in west jerusalem today just 24 hours earlier, the scene was one of carnage. two palestinian cousins, the terrorist, wielding knives and a gun, killed four rabbis. three of whom, american citizens, one a british citizen. a police officer shot during the rampage died hours later. israel has clearly ramped up security. the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, calling for national unity and what he calls a forceful response. he ordered that the attackers' homes be demolished. the two palestinian cousins were shot and killed during the
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attack by israeli police officers. one israeli police officer who was himself wounded, two israeli police officers were wounded has died as well. the official palestinian news agency says that 13 people were arrested when israeli authorities moved in to the attackers' neighborhood. we're watching all this. let's get some reaction from jerusalem, dori gold is a senior adviser to the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu. former ambassador to the united nations. thank you for joining us. when the prime minister vows israel will respond with what he calls a heavy hand, what does that mean to you? what is israel specifically going to do? >> first of all, diplomatically, we have to begin to deal with the causes of this terrorist escalation, this attack. remember, the way that these palestinians from jerusalem attacked the synagogue and
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killed the rabbis was very reminiscent of what the isis people are doing in syria and in iraq. they walked into that synagogue with axes. they walked in with butcher knives. and they attacked -- also with a revolver. but something is going on that's bigger. we know that this kind of attack, that the kind of incitement to motivate these people to attack has, that stage was set by the rhetoric of mahmoud abbas in the last couple of months. we know it's been set by hamas. but we're facing a regional pandemic, a pandemic that's coming from what isis is doing across this area. the last two days, part of the libyan regime swore loyalty to isis in iraq. so we have a bigger problem in this region. we have to get regional stability and we have to provide security here in jerusalem so that we can get back to some
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kind of co existence. >> you know mahmoud abbas condemned what happened in that synagogue. there were some celebrations by hamas supporters out in gaza. but mahmoud abbas clearly condemned what happened at the synagogue. >> wolf, did you see mahmoud abbas' condemnation? that was pretty weak. it was sort of a general condemnation of violence against civilians, not specific to this crime. what made it worse is on the one hand, he's talking about a general condemnation of violence and on the other hand, the fatah movement on its social media pages was praising the attack. you can't talk through both sides of your mouth. in order to prevent these kind of things in the future, the palestinian authority, instead of being cuddled by the international community and told how great they are have to be told in no uncertain terms that the incitement has to stop because there's a direct line
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from that kind of incitement to the acts that occurred yesterday. >> how worried are you, ambassador, that some israelis could seek revenge as a result of what happened at this synagogue yesterday and this whole escalation of violence could explode once again and all of us remember what happened in july during the war that israel had with hamas in gaza. >> well, first of all, israel is very aware of it. and in the prime minister's statement, you saw a kind of message to the israeli people. our security establishment will take care of this, no one is to take the law into their own hands. and the police follow these kinds of acts very closely. but right now, the problem isn't the israeli reaction. the problem is an attack that looks just like an isis attack in syria or in iraq. what we have to do is together find a way to stabilize this region. this kind of violence and this kind of incitement just doesn't undermine israel, it undermines
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our neighbors as well. it could undermine jordan and saudi arabia and any of our states. that's why getting a handle on this is so important at this time for all of us. >> thanks very much, ambassador, for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> a college degree has always been a ticket to success here in the united states. is getting a degree worth it today? we'll bring you a fresh debate raging across college campuses on the changing face of higher education. stay with us.
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> an increasing debate on whether going for a college diploma is worth it. listen to this educator's view. >> many intellectuals say it would be better if some people don't go to college at all. i think that's an assault on democracy. it's an attempt to keep people in their place and reinforce social inequality. education should foster social mobility and the possibility of equality. you have to be crazy to intentionally not get a college degree if you have a choice today. >> so that's one perspective. get a college degree at all
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costs. let's bring in our global economic analyst joining us from new york. also assistant managing editor for "time" magazine overseeing economic coverage. is it worth it getting a college degree for anyone who can do it right now given the cost, given all of the factors? >> you know, i would say that most of the time you're better off with a four-year college degree than with just a high school degree. i'll put a caveat with that and say it depends on what you study. so increasingly statistics are showing if you study something in the sciences, technology, engineering, the pay gap and the payoff between that and studying liberal arts degree, english, political science, history, particularly at a lower level college and not a top grade college is becoming really large. i'm also hearing from employers that they want to hire people with specific skills so what you're seeing is a big push for two-year community college education that's particularly
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skill based and for some people, particularly those that either can't get into a top tier school or simply don't want to graduate with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt, this is an option to be considered. >> do you believe that the student debt issue and it's a huge exploding issue, could actually lead to the next financial crisis? >> i do. as a matter of fact, i heard a savvy investor say that to me the other day. student debt is the single biggest debt in the u.s. it's more than credit card debt. it is a balloon that just keeps inflating and at some point like all bubbles it's going to pop. the question is when and how. you see a lot of pain. kids that got out of school in the last five or six years after the financial crisis and great recession had a hugely hard time getting jobs. their unemployment rate is in double digits for many of them and they also have a pay gap because when you enter the labor force in a bad market, you never make up that gain in income.
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so they are always working behind the curve. so going out and spending a lot of money getting into debt right now is not a great idea for everyone. that said, if you can study, if you can make it work for you financially, it is better than just having a four-year high school degree. >> what affordable alternatives are there to a traditional college education? >> so one thing that's really interesting and positive that i'm seeing a lot of in the business world is companies getting into the education business. so either teaming up with colleges, with community colleges, doing on the job training themselves. ibm has a hugely successful program where they have launched six-year high schools where kids graduate with a community college degree as well and they're guaranteed a job at high tech companies. fortune 500 companies. this is a great option for a lot of kids. you graduate with a job and with skills that are really employable. >> rana, good information for all of our viewers out there not only here in the united states
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but around the world who are debating what to do about a college education for a lot of young people out there. rana, thank you very much for joining us. this important note to our viewers. our all new cnn film will be looking at this debate over college. be sure to catch the debut of "ivory tower" tomorrow night, thursday night, 9:00 p.m. eastern only here on cnn. you'll want to watch it. it's an excellent documentary. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern later today in "the situation room." for our international viewers, christiane amanpour is next. for viewers in north america, "newsroom" with don lemon starts right after a quick break. are you on medicare? do you have the coverage you need? open enrollment ends december 7th. don't put it off 'til later. now's the time to get on a path that could be right for you... with unitedhealthcare medicare solutions. call today to learn about the kinds of coverage we offer,
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hello, everyone. don lemon here in for brooke baldwin. we're following breaking news for you. president obama is set to speak in a prime time address that could change immigration in this country. cnn has learned that president obama will announce tomorrow evening that he's taking executive action on the issue. >> everybody agrees that our immigration system is broken. unfortunately washington has allowed the problem to fester for too long and so what i'm going to be laying out is things that i can do with my law
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