tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN November 21, 2014 5:00pm-6:01pm PST
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we begin with the presidential call for calm as people in ferguson, missouri and all across the country wait for word on a grand jury which could come tonight on whether darren wilson should face charges in the shooting death of michael brown. >> i think first and foremost keep protests peaceful. this is a country that allows everybody to express their views, allows them to peacefully assemble, to protest actions that they think are unjust but using any event as an excuse for violence is contrary to rule of law and who we are. >> whatever the decision is local, state and federal officials have been preparing for it. late today we learned the federal atf has sent in extra personnel including swat team
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members. businesses in the main protest site have been boarding up store fronts. tonight is merely the earliest we could get a decision. the grand jury has been hearing evidence for three months now. they only began deliberating today. for the latest on all of it let's go to ed in ferguson. do we know if the grand jury is still deliberating right now? >> reporter: we know they are scheduled to meet. they were hearing from some of the last witnesses and the deliberations would begin. grand jury deliberations is unlike a criminal trial. you're not allowed to talk about the case until everything has been presented. grand jurors can discuss the case as they go along. that's why we have been indications that perhaps after all the testimony had been heard that it perhaps wouldn't take that long for a decision to be reached. so far we haven't gotten any indication, and we've heard from
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lawyer of michael brown's family that they have not gotten any indication that a decision has been reached. >> are they still meeting currently at this hour? >> reporter: we don't know exactly if they are still in those deliberations. we know that some of that process has been going on throughout the day. >> are they meeting over the weekend? >> reporter: that's hard to say as well. at this point it's not exactly -- all of this is done under a great deal of secrecy even though we know a lot more about this process compared to other cases. they have been meeting on fridays throughout the last three months. if that will change going into the thanksgiving week, we don't know at this point. >> i understand local state and federal law enforcement are in the midst of preparations now. what are they doing and how much of that can you actually see? >> reporter: if you go around
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town there are pictures and you do see a little bit of that law enforcement presence behind the scenes. as you mentioned off the top there store fronts that have been boarded up. we have heard from local authorities that say they had three months to plan for all this. national guard troops have been mobilized. they will be stationed at four dozen locations around the area protecting property from federal authorities all the way on down. it's not ferguson police that will be in charge of the response. it's st. louis county police that will be in charge of the response and there's been a great deal of communication. county officials talking today about how they would be instructed to deal and in certain cases be more pashtient with protesters depending on the situation. they did say any kind of violence will not be tolerated. >> mr. crump, everyone is waiting for the grand jury
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results to come down. i'm sure no one wants to know that more than michael brown's parents. have you talked to them tonight? how are they doing? >> as you can imagine, anderson, it's very emotional. his parents continue to ask people to be peaceful. they want them to try to remember we're talking about their child and nobody could be more frustrated than them. it's an emotional roller coaster as they are waiting to hear the decision. >> do you know if the grand jury will continue to meet throughout the weekend? >> normally, anderson, that's a choice left up to the jury. the court officials would ask them if they want to work through the weekend or come back at the beginning of the week. >> okay. do you know where the family plans on being when the decision is announced? will they be in ferguson? >> they plan on being in
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ferguson at their homes. >> do you know, will their family will getting advance notice of what the outcome is? >> yes, sir. the prosecutor's office said they will give notice to the family before they inform the public of the decision of this grand jury. >> i want to ask you about comments you made yesterday to cnn. you said this prosecutor hasn't met or reached out to michael brown's family. he responded saying that he had been in touch or the prosecutor had been in touch with one of your attorneys, anthony gray and mr. gray requested all contact information for family be passed through him. is that true, to your knowledge? is that your understanding? >> he had been talking to attorney gray. normally you have a victim's advocate reach out to the family. that was never done with michael brown's family. it was sort of different in
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cases i've been involved in where somebody from the prosecutor's office don't offer victim sfervices to the family. >> he says his office has been available to the family. do you believe that he to be the case? >> well, the family don't believe that to be the case. i know attorney gray as our missouri council has been in contact with individuals. the parents have expressed on many occasions their mistrust of the prosecutor's office. >> do you know -- have michael brown's parents wanted to meet with the prosecutor or asked to meet with the prosecutor? >> what they've asked for is the prosecutor charge the killer of their unarmed son to be held accountable for his death. they have -- it's very emotional for them. they wanted the governor to
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replace the local prosecutor with a special prosecutor because they did not believe that they would get equal justice with this prosecutor's office. >> obviously, if the grand jury decides to indict the course of action is clear. if the grand jury chooses not to indict, what then for you? what then for the family? >> certainly, anderson, we will explore all legal avenues for the family of michael brown junior. you can imagine how they must feel after three months of losing their child in this terrible way that they are waiting on this decision whether they either will be relieved because they'll have chance at justice or if they return no truth bill for indictment it's very likely that the person who killed their unarmed teenage son will never be held accountable. we'll have to wait on the
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federal government do see what they're going to do. they really want their missouri officials to treat the police officer as how they would treat anybody else on these circumstances based on the american constitution. >> for those who want charges brought against darren wilson, the best opportunity is through the grand jury rather than the federal case? >> i think that's historically been the case. it's much more likely for the state to hold somebody accountable versus the federal government. i've said on your program many times before, they didn't have to have a grand jury. this was a choice by the prosecutor to take it to a grand jury. there was enough probable cause existed based on the multiple witnesses saying he had his hands up as well as the forensic evidence. probable cause is only the tipping scale.
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if they indict him, he will have his day in court. nobody is saying he doesn't get his constitutional rights of being innocent until proven guilty. we want to know if we'll have chance at justice. that's why you see the people in ferguson and all around this country so frustrated because they say why don't we get equal justice for our children when they're dead on the street. >> appreciate you joining us tonight. thank you very much. we'll talk to someone from the st. louis police department to find out what preparations they are being asked to make. chief dodson from st. louis. make sure you set your dvr so you can watch 360 when ever you want. coming up, more of the evidence the grand jury is considering. there's a lot more we know now than we knew several months ago. our legal panel ways in. later the human impact on president obama enforcing immigration laws. man: [ laughs ] those look like baby steps now.
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there's no word from the ferguson grand jury whether they reached a decision. there's a lot of getting ready including a beefed up presence on the ground. jurors have not been sequestered the last three months. information has leaked out what some said in front of the panel. we do not know how it fits or whether it clashes with other testimony. we don't know how many eyewitnesss or what they have said have come forward.
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whether those eyewitnesss agree with what other eyewitnesss who have been on television have said or not. we're not sure too much about the forensic evidence than what we've gotten from autopsies. some from the official autopsy. more on that now tonight. >> reporter: dr. michael badin's testimony isn't the only forensic account. they will also take into account the official report completed by the st. louis county medical examiner. each report reads some similar results. both concluded brown was shot six times. both show brown had a gunshot wound to his right hand. where the reports differ is key and how it's interpreted could make a huge difference in the case. the county reports materials were found in michael brown's hands. quote, consistent with products that are discharge frd from the barrel of a firearm.
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in other words, probable gun residue on his hand. >> the significance of that wound is great. >> reporter: dr. lawrence is a professor of forensic science at john jay college of criminal justice. >> for this testing i would say it's consistent with gunshot residue and supports the contention of darren wilson there was a struggle for the gun. >> reporter: ferguson's police chief told cnn in august the officer was hurt. >> the officer was taken to the hospital and treated for swollen face. >> did you see the officer's face? >> i did not. >> reporter: others disagree. brown did struggle, not for officer wilson's gun but to get away from him. >> officer then reached out and grabbed his arm to pull him into the car so now it's like the officer is pulling him inside the car and he's trying to pull away. at no time the officer said he was going to do anything until he pulled out his weapon.
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his weapon was drawn and he said i'll shoot you or i'm going to shoot. in the same moment the first shot went off. >> reporter: as for the final moments whether brown had his hands up to surrender or whether he was charging at officer wilson, there are conflicting eyewitness accounts that the grand jury will have to consider like the forensic evidence in this case, much is up for interpretation. >> no question about it. you've got to interpret it. some people will interpret it differently than others. that's why this is an adversarial system. this is an art. it's not just a science. >> i want to bring in our legal analysts. mark, you believe the forensic evidence that's publicly known supports officer wilson. how so? >> what we know so far is the forensic evidence is out there including the autopsy seems to show there were shots fired at him to the front.
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the shots to the front would suggest he wouldn't running away actively. whether or not he was running towards him is up to interpretation but that piece of evidence. there's some other evidence. the fact there was a struggle at the car. the injuries to wilson. the fact the car or two shots in the car doesn't support the shooting of brown later but could give some indication as to brown's aggression. >> there is, according to the family's autopsy, a shot in the back of the forearm around here from back to front somewhat which would be interpreted as michael brown facing away from officer wilson being shot in the back of the arm and spinning around. >> we have to look at it in context of the other evidence. i can move my hand as mike brown might have in any number of ways. we want to fill in all the gaps with speculation and our hopes or thauoughts about it.
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>> it's open to interpretation. sonni, do you see the forensic evidence we know supporting officer wilson? >> i don't. clearly, it's up to interpretation. it seems to me that if you're shooting someone in the front and you look at that evidence in combination with the fact there are witnesses saying he had his hands up in surrender, i think that would support, would not support officer wilson. >> the forensic evidence, that shot even the family's autopsy says it's not like palms forward toward officer wilson. it's to the side here either maybe running or falling. >> there are some witnesses that have stated he was, they saw michael brown running being hit and jerking and turning around. again, it's all open to interpretation. i think what's so fascinating about it is that all that evidence is in front of the grand jury. the standard is probable cause. a crime was probably committed. it's such a very low standard
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when you have all of that different evidence all the different interpretations it seems to me that sort of ensure the benefit of indictment. >> i would like to put in a word about how much we don't know. think about this one issue, how important it is. how far away was michael brown when he was shot? that's something that some forensic test could determine which we have not seen those tests. if he's two, three feet away that could support officer wilson saying he was being attacked. if he's 20 feet away that would suggest that officer wilson was not being threatened. we don't know that evidence. >> even on that account if officer wilson had already been attacked by michael brown at the vehicle then the distance in the secondary -- >> i disagree with that. i don't think so. they can be seen as separate
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events. just because there was a confrontation at the car, that doesn't give officer wilson the right to shoot michael brown if he's not a threat. >> time out, it does heighten officer brown's fear as -- officer wilson's fear as what he might expect from brown if he's been aggressive to an officer. cops are trained within 20 feet they can get to you and hurt you before you can react. that 21-foot rule that cops have is there for a reason. >> also, isn't it not just the officer's concern about being attacked but the officer's concern about what somebody may do to others and -- >> danger to the community. >> if officer wilson felt that he says he's already been attacked then you could argue or his attorneys could argue that he might fear that michael brown might attack others. >> is that a reasonable fear given the circumstances. i don't know that's a reasonable
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fear. >> unarmed michael brown. how much of a threat is he to the broader community? i don't see that. >> i think wilson will have to present the threat to himself. >> the thing i keep going back to is officer wilson stating that michael brown turns around after running and charges towards the bullet. i don't know. in my career, in law enforcement i've never heard a fact pattern where someone runs towards bullets. they generally run away. that's always bothered me about officer wilson's account. >> just remember one thing, the jury, the grand jury, has heard from officer wilson. they have his story. they don't have mike brown's story because mike brown is no longer with us. that could be very helpful to him. you need a story that the jury can understand. they've heard one. >> the public has not heard officer wilson's account at this
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point. people form opinions about officer wilson without having heard him ever really talk. >> we have heard his account, i think, through his friends. >> a secondary person based on -- >> we haven't heard from him but i think we all know at this point what his version of events is. >> do you think it was a police take for officer wilson or his attorneys not to, early on or the police force to set out their version of events? >> not necessarily. if he winds up not getting indicted it sounds like their strategy would have worked out pretty well. we can't determine the success of a strategy without knowing whether it worked or not. >> would it have gotten this far. a lot of it is based on the initial statements by mr. johnson who was with, at least for a time, with mike brown.
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>> yes. this is going to get a lot of attentionful any way. this was a major national event given what happened afterwards. regardless of what was said by wilson's side. >> do we have a time? >> didn't have to go to a grand jury. >> this case was going to a grand jury. >> why? >> he was not going to take on the responsibility of charging or not charging himself. i'm not sure a public persona would address it. >> very quickly. do we have a timeline on when all the evidence that was presented to the grand jury will be released, assuming it's going to be released? >> we don't know, i don't think. >> he's doing to do it as quickly as he can after the release. we know he's preparing that already with the website and information. >> we don't know how long the
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we're talking about action including federal measures and calls for calm including one tonight from president obama. state and local authorities have been getting ready now for weeks. joining me is st. louis police chief sam dodson. chief dodson, we got word that federal law enforcement is boosting their presence in the ferguson area. the atf is sending swat teams. is that something you requested? is that something you see as needed? >> it's not something i requested, but as we talk about preparations in the area we have highway patrol, st. louis county, national guard. i expected the federal assets to be here as well. >> how visible will the swat team presence be. obviously there was a lot of concern the last time around about the foot print of law enforcement on the ground. a lot of protesters felt it made
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the situation worse. >> we've heard that. we've had a lot of positive dialogue over the last couple of weeks. the initial response from law enforcement and when i say initial, initial every day. you'll see police officers in their every day uniform. the uniforms we wear to work 365 days a year. law enforcements and the community expects us to be prepared. we're not going to put the plans in place and escalate the situation unless there's some real cause to do so. i think every law enforcement agency around the country is preparing in their own way. having the assets here doesn't mean we've drawn some conclusion or go to that optic, that visual. it just means we're prepared. >> as long as the protesters are peaceful and orderly, you don't see a scenario where we see military style police officers or even police officers pointing
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shotguns, pointing rifles at unarmed protesters? >> that's actually the hope. that's what we've been working towards. we built some very strong bridges with the coalition, the hands up, don't shoot coalition. we built some strong lines of communication. there are people on their side on the protest side that are working to deescalate the situation. we're hoping that pays dividends going forward. just because there are protests doesn't mean you're going to see that military style presence. those types of -- that type of equipment is really here to keep people safe. >> as you said you've been working with the coalition, the don't shoot group of protesters. you said that both sides have agreed on 12 out of 19 proposed rules. yooim wondering abo i'm wonder about the other seven. have they talked about what you feel is inappropriate.
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>> first one they wanted to dictate what police officers wore in the city of st. louis. they didn't want to see riot equipment and things like that. what our commitment was is we would come out every day in our regular clothes. if we needed personal protective gear for our police officers certainly that's something we would use. they also talked about the militarization, if you will. those are things that keep people safe. while the optics are hard and may not be pleasant sometimes, that equipment during its whole period have kept people safe. a riot helmet has never hurt anyone. the presence of an armored vehicle never hurt anyone. the goal is to keep people safe. keep peep safe and protect properties. they ask us to give them 48 hours notice for the prosecutor when the grand jury decision was coming back. that's not ours to give away. that's the prosecutor's. those were the big ones.
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>> governor nixon has deployed the national guard announcing it pretty early on. do you know how they will be used? the last time there really was not a very much of a visible presence. the numbers were pretty small. they were at the command post around ferguson, not out on the streets as some people had thought they might be. this time around do you know how it might be? >> that's a great question. i'll start what they're not going to be used for. they're not going to be used on the front line to supplement law enforcement. they're going to do mundane jobs like command post security, protecting police stations, correcting courthouses. that's what they're used for. what that means is those officers that were in those jobs can be put out in the community whether to deal with protest and demonstrations or to help our community feel a little safer. as you can imagine any community that's going through this,
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there's a lot of anxiety, a lot of attention. i go to neighborhood meeting after neighborhood meeting every night. people just want to know they're safe. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you very much. president obama speaks out in las vegas about his new executive action on immigration reform. he's getting strong reaction from the latino community. and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24, a circadian rhythm disorder that affects up to 70 percent of people who are totally blind. talk to your doctor about your symptoms and learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com. don't let non-24 get in the way of your pursuit of happiness.
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welcome back. house speaker john boehner says by issuing executive action on immigration president obama is sabotaging of getting any other reforms that he wants. the president signed two memos with executive action. it will let up to five million undocumented immigrants stay in the country temporarily. the president continued to push for legislatures to pass a bill on more lasting immigration reform. >> we're going to keep on working with members of congress to make permanent reform a reality, but until that day comes there are actions that i have the legal authority to take that will help make our immigration system more fair and
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more just and this morning i began to take some of those actions. >> this is huge news in the latino community. jorge, i heard you say last night you believe the president is paying a debt to the latino community. what kind of a response have you heard from people? >> well, it's amazing. he changed the lives for four million people. this morning many immigrant parents told their kids i'll see you tonight. for the first time in years or decades, it's true. i can measure it with not only ratings. last night millions of people watched it on spanish language television. also he's making a precedent here. i honestly believe he pay a debt to the latino community. remember he promised in 2008 he was going to present immigration reform during his first year in
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office. he didn't keep his promise. now he finally delivered. >> there's a lot that this does not do. there's a lot of people who will not be covered by this, whose lives will not be changed by this. do you think it goes far enough? >> it doesn't go far enough and it's not an amnesty. it's not what the senate proposed as immigration reform. obviously, it would have been much better if democrats and republicans had worked together. republicans kept it for 500 days and they didn't move on it. i think the president was pushed by the inaction of the republicans and latinos to do something about it. he told me and many people that he believed he didn't have the legal authority to do something about it. that he was not a king or an
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emperor. i think in the end his position shift. he decided to go ahead with this. it's not enough. it's not exactly what we wanted but it's also not something given to us. it's exactly what we fought for. still seven million more are, their lives are still pending. >> that's one of the things he's been criticized for is the comments he made to you and other journalists saying i don't have the legal authority to do this. he said this many times. i'm not an emperor. do you think he changed his opinion of the legality of it or he just got so frustrated that he chose to act any way? >> i think he changed his position. he told me and many people, many times, not just one time, that he didn't have the legal authority to stop deportations. the white house is giving us a different interpretation.
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they're saying he was referring to immigration reform. he couldn't impose immigration reform. that's for shure. i honestly think that president barack obama evolved. he changed his point of view. we probably convince him there was a lot of pressure from the hispanic community to do something about it. at the end republicans push him to the edge. they didn't do anything about it. i honestly think that president barack obama wanted to keep his promise and he ended up doing something that at the beginning he wasn't comfortable doing and now it seems he's completely convinced. >> great to have you on again. thank you so much. >> thanks, anderson. >> for all you tweeting me now, yes, we look an awful lot a like. great to have him on. four americans died in the attack there. republican lawmakers turned into a large campaign issue.
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go long. bill cosby facing more allegations that he sexually e assaulted more women. his comedy show is a go in melbourne, florida. two women came forward in the last 24 hours sharing their allegations. cosby has refused to talk about the scandal. the question is how did he maintain his person a of america's favorite dad while in
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real life belaifing much more differently. >> 1967, the earliest known allegation against bill cosby. carla claims cosby forcibly kissed her at his home. she was an 18-year-old playboy bunny. he grabbed her roughly and kissed her. it's when he was on the rise in hollywood. a star in the hit tv series "i spy." he was one of the first african-american leads of any tv show. from "i spy" he moved onto his first sitcom. it was called the "bill cosby show." that was a period of time when this woman, linda joy says she was attacked by cosby. she's been quicked in recent years of fraud and drug related offenses says she was fresh out of high school when cosby offered her a ride home and kept offering her pills which she
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refused. >> i was crying and he said i'll take you home. i was not raped but i was grope and terrorized. >> reporter: the same year joan claims she was drugged and raped by cosby. she was a 19-year-old aspiring comedy writer. >> i passed out or woke up or came to very groggily with him removing my underwear. >> reporter: the next year tamera green claimed cosby gave her pills and tried to rape her. >> never eat jell-o pudding. >> reporter: for 25 years he was a spokesman for jell-o. from 1984 to '92, he was america's favorite dad on one of the most successful shows in tv history. around that time two more women say they were assaulted by him. former super model janice
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dickinson. >> he looked at me and said i brought you in this world, i'll take you out. >> reporter: his stand up career continued to thrive into the 2000s. new tv projects planned and during the time period came a staffer for the temple university basketball team. she filed a civil suit against cosby. cosby agreed to a settlement to the suit which included similar allegations from 13 other women. bill cosby's attorney has released this statement about the slew of accusations. over the past several weeks, decade old allegations against mr. cosby has resurfaced. the fact they are being repeated does not make them true. cosby recorded a come by routine in which the topic was drugging a girl. >> you know anything about spanish fly? no, tell me about it. there's this girl crazy mary.
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you put some in her drink. yeah, spanish. that's really groove. a lot of laughter when he recorded it. not so much now. gary tuckman, cnn. >> it's important and bears repeated he's never been charged in connection with any of these allegations. why do you think your story did not get more traction? >> i think it's indicative of the way, partially because the media likes to protect celebrities. and they were afraid of getting sued. to give you an example of how the media didn't respond, i went
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to the ap news wire. i showed them the story. i had three sources. i did he job as a journalist and that he responded we don't want to libel mr. cosby. my reaction is your kind of attacking my integrity as a journalist for doing my job by responding like that. i was stone walled in 2007. not so much now. >> you had three sources. the people you pitched the story to, did they not believe it was the truth or did they not want to believe because it was bill cosby or concerned about lawsuits? >> the latter. they didn't -- because it was about bill cosby, i'm sure that was the reason. what's disturbing, anderson, even almost as much as mr. cosby's refusal to address these allegations is the lawyers response. first of all, discredited, saying all these women are discredited.
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they are not discredited. first of all, number one. second all to put journalists like us on notice, bill cosby's lawyer came right out and said for us to report on this we're doing so at our own peril. this is bothersome too when it should be mr. cosby addressing the issue. >> you claim that one tabloid news outlet used the allegations against bill cosby as a bargaining chip. how so? >> that's fact. a reporter named robin mizrahi was working the desk at the national enquirer. she was there for nine years. she had a source who came to her who made similar claims as to the others. there was like a dozen at the time. robin had her take a lie detector test, which is something that the tabloids do. she passed the test. robin wrote up a report and what
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they did was they buried that and they set up a meeting with mr. cosby down in texas in a hotel room where they traded suppression of that story for an exclusive interview with mr. cosby that would thank them for their assistance in helping them find his son's murderer. it's reported in the guardian today. they is suppressed the story. >> thank you for being on. a paralyzed marine who vowed to walk to receive his bronze star. he kept his promise. amazing story. because there was no accident. volvo's most advanced accident avoidance systems ever.
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on the battlefield. >> i was on the rooftop. >> reporter: it was just after sunrise, june 14th, 2012, he was leading a patrol in afghanistan's helman province. >> felt a pulsing centuriation on many back. >> reporter: it was an ambush. a bullet lodged in his spine. >> i had some pain and kind of almost felt like electrical stimulation pulsing in my back. >> everything in your life changed suddenly. >> yeah. it was an instant. >> reporter: months of rehabilitation would follow. a new battle for the officer adjusting to being completely paralyzed from the chest down. >> overtime i came to realize that of the many friends i've had who made the ultimate sacrifice for our nation. any one of those guys would be
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la happy to be in my position. >> tell me about your bracelet. >> i ware that every day to try to remind myself and have a small visible reminder of the sacrifices the guys have made and remind myself that i have a gift and i'm happy to be here and continue to move forward. >> reporter: moving forward is literally what he is doing. just needs a little help. this is the rewalk exoskeleton. an fda approved 70,000 wearable device that powers his hip and knee motion. it allows him to walk on his own. the first american to own one. >> the president of the united states takes pleasure in presenting the bronze star medal. >> the first paralyzed service member to stand and walk as he
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receives his bronze star with valor. >> it will be a symbol and show others that i'm not out of fight. >> reporter: he retires out of service today. his next battle already under way. >> he's definitely not out of the fight. thanks for watching the program tonight. "this is life" with lisa ling starts now. [ chanting ] >> catholicism is one of the biggest religions in the world. news of scandal involving catholic priest have been almost inescapable in
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