-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com a decision could come at any moment in ferguson, missouri. a grand jury has been busy trying to decide if an officer who shot an unarmed teen is going to be indicted. >> plus buffalo is buried under 7 feet of snow. the people are struggling there and they are about to face a new threat. >> also was he a cold-blooded killer or a really troubled teenager? new things regarding the man behind the sandy hook massacre and the possible warning signs. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning everybody. i'm christy paul. >> i'm victor blackwell.

>> we want to begin with breaking news as we're learning world powers may be one step closer to striking a dealing on iron's controversial nuclear program. >> efforts are being made to close the, quote, serious gaps still remaining. >> thrive nic >> what we're hearing is your secretary of state is going to have in about an hour's time his fourth trilateral meeting. this will be the fourth time they have had such a meeting. last night lasted for two hours. secretary of state kerry made earlier with the german foreign-eforeign minister and there he told reporters there are gaps but we

hope they are closing them. this is what he said. >> we're working hard. we hope we're making careful progress. but we have big gaps. we still have some serious gaps, which we're working to close. the good thing is the p 5 plus one are united and working in concert. and we're simply going to not say anything subsequent about the discussions while they are going on. but a lot of serious work is going on by a lot of people. >> as secretary kerry has been stressing all along that these talks are tough. he was updating international partners today on the phone with turkish foreign minister, canadian foreign minister. the ua f kuwait and al qatar.

we just don't know they are going make the deadline by just two days away. >> nick robertson we appreciate you so much. thank you. more breaking news out of japan. a 6.8 magnitude earthquake over night. we are receiving reports of several injuries. also a building collapsing in one village. but officials say there's been no damage to electric facilities, including nuclear powerpoi power plants. the u.s. geological survey recorded 6.2 magnitude for this one. but we'll bring you more information as it comes. >> >> overnight in ferguson, missouri police arrested three protesters after dozens took to the streets. new video shows protesters last night on the streets of ferguson. >> the jurors are still deciding

whether to indict officer wilson on charges from first-degree murder to voluntary. ♪ manslaughter. a decision could be at any moment. >> president obama is urging calm. >> in clayton, missouri where t grand jury has been meeting. whether do we know about last night's arrests. >> one of the things i've noted since being out here is over the past few days we've seen increasing number of protesters headed into st. louis, waiting for the grand jury decision. last night no exception. if you see what happened out there on west florrisint. not far from where michael brown was shot. thousands of protesters there,

blocking traffic. then they moved in front of the ferguson police department, once again blocking traffic there as well. police ended up making three arrests. two of those arrested were from illinois. one of them was from st. louis. they were charged with unlawful assembly. one of them also wearing an anonymous mask. and christy, i speak to a long time community activist who also happening to be a protester as well. and he was actually very upset about some of the prettiers coming oucome coming -- protesters coming out, wearing these masks. he basically said if anyone is coming out to support michael brown, he says they should be proud to be out here. he's not happy about one, people from coming outside the community, coming inside the community and causing trouble and two, anyone out there should be proud enough to show their faces for michael brown. increasing number of protesters

out here on the streets, whether they be in ferguson or whether they be right here in clayton. >> we know this decision could come down at any moment. however there were hundreds of hours of testimony, so much evidence there. are the protesters also prepared that this could go into december? there is a january deadline. but this may not come out for the next few weeks, possibly. >> reporter: well, you know, i think you are right. anthony gray, michael brown's -- one of michael brown's attorneys i think said it best. he said it is a guess. as we all know that. but he also said it could be hours. it could be days. it could be longer. as for the protesters, victor, this is are protesters and demonstrators who are committed to this cause. they say they are going to stay is it course no matter lounge it takes. no matter how cold, no matter how wet. they will be in the streetes of ferguson protesting for michael brown. >> the protesters continued for

more than 1 da00 days so far. thank you so much. later this hour on legal panel will weigh in on a range of legal consequences facing officer darren wilson. >> and another major story. blitzed and buried by nearly 7 feet of snow. buffalo, new york. i guess it's time to warm up and thau out. >> $000s are trying to dig out there. but as things thaw out there is another consideration. warmer temperatures could bring flooding. >> cnn's alexandria fields is in buffalo this morning. how does it feel? do you feel any warmup? >> it is getting a little warmer but it is going that take a couple of days to get to the point where this flooding could be a real problem. it does mean people have a little bit of the lead time to get ahead of it before the worst

could happen. the front end loud loader has been trying to clean up this street for hours. but to give you perspective on how much snow, look at this mini van and this snow bank piled up over it. astonishing amount of snow even for people here in buffalo used o seeing a lot. right now we're taking advantage of this slight warm. it is not as bitter as it's been. and their most pressing concern, look up there. getting up on the roofs and trying to shovel out some of the snow. listen to this. >> obviously with the rain coming up and the temperatures going to get warmer, just worried about snow getting heavier obviously. so we get six feet average across the roof. these roofs are going to give out. so just trying to take precaution. >> reporter: roofs giving out. you just heard that homeowner

whose worried about it over the last couple days. it's happened in dozens of homes. roofs collapsing under the weight of the snow. as this warmup begins to happen the problem is only going to be exacerbated. we're expecting rain and warmer temperatures making everything heavier on the roofs. that's why so many people are doing this tough and dangerous work. getting up there can trying to clear as way as much of the problem as they can. >> please be careful. that is not an easy task. >> of course. >> it is slippery. it would be icy up there. >> heavy snow. thanks to alexandra. and we got to thank that photographer who climbed up on the roof if that are interview. thank you both. >> news officials will hold a news conference in buffalo at noon eastern. cnn will bring it to you as that happens. but meteorologist jennifer gray is just back from buffalo. you saw the snow. now looking for the rain. how quickly might the rain move? >> we are expecting the rain to move in later today.

so folks the have a tiny window to get driveways clear and get some of the snow away from what's packed against a lot of people's front doors. so they are trying to get some of the snow away. we're also going to look at rain sunday night into monday as well. couple rounds. and this is monday the wee hours of the morning could see the second round of rain. temperatures gradually warm up as well. temperatures in the 40s today and warming up to close to 60 by monday. not looking at huge amounts of rain. less than an inch but also on top of that looking at warmer temperatures. so the snow melt and then the rain. so we have a lot of different factors working against us here. and that's why there is a flood watch in effect. for sunday evening through wednesday morning due to the warm air, the rain and the snow melt. here is your forecast in the next five days. 40s today. tomorrow close to 60. on monday we should have a lot of cloud cover though.

so we could keep the melting going at a slow and steady pace, versus the sun coming out big and bright and just enhance that melting even faster. so hopefully slower melt than a quicker one. but still a toss up at this point exactly how fast it is going to melt and how big the flood threat gets. as we move to the south i want to talk one more thing. a severe weather threat in the south for today and tomorrow. south texas, hill country. we have large hail and damaging winds. slight possibility of a tornado. new orleans through the pan handle of florida look for that damaging wind threat and hail threat for you sunday afternoon. >> jennifer gray, thanks for the heads up. >> thank you jennifer. we're getting new details surrounding the shooting at sandy hook elementary school. >> learning about gunmen specifically adam lansa and the

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boy, think about this. next month it is going to be two years since 20 innocent first graders and six teachers were killed at sandy hook elementary school. and now we're learning more about the shooter. >> a connecticut state agency released a new report on adam lanza. it says he was an isolated young man with deteriorating mental health and a fascination for mass viaolence. let's gring in nick valencia.

>> it's important to say that the authors of this reporter doesn't answer why. but it is a 114 page report that talks about how like what you were saying, his mental illness was largely misunderstood and m mistreated by doctors and physicians and relies heavily on interviews with the doctors and mentors. let's look at this report. lanza has not left his room for three months. blacked out ohis windows with garbage bags and even though living under the same roof as his mother he was only communicated via e-mail. and he had dealt with mental health issues as far back as when he was three years old. he had made up his own language. sitting in the corner repeatedly beating his head against the wall. and fifth grade his behavior

took a turn for the worse. he penned this book book of gorani, where he glorified violence, childhood murder and the zush disturbing stuff for anyone let alone someone in fifth grade. >> what else could his mother have done? >> when you are a parent you ask that all the time. how can i keep my kid safe? how can i make sure my kid doesn't harm others and this report is pretty critical of her. it highlights an incident why 2005 where they took him to a hospital in connecticut. the clinicians suggested he should have further psychiatric evaluation and nancy lanza declined that and said he would be better off at home. and they also said she may have exacerbated his mental health conditions removing from school in 5th grade and normal society. and by not addressing his underlying needs it perhaps

exacerbated his mental health status. >> i cannot imagine they lived in the same home and communicated only via e-mail. >> increasingly withdrawn. only playing voogs. and there is a part where his one and only friend a confidant. he would open up to. and he had a falling out with that friend in the months leading up to this incident. but also talks about how heed spend time helping homeless. he would raise money to help the homeless and cared deeply about sandy hook elementary. so a lot of conflicting things. it wasn't just he snapped. he developed this over time. >> and clearly no relationship with his father. >> yeah. >> nick, thank you so much. bill cosby. he took the stage last night and the reaction he got in the midst of the rape allegations might surprise you. maybe not.

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although he's facing mounting allegations that he drugged and sexual assaulted several women, last night in melbourne, florida a packed house of cosby fans did not just

shout of love and support at him, they gave him two standing ovations. [ cheers and applause ] cnn's sarah gannum joins me now. the show went out without a hitch last nightal but in the last 24 hours we understand that up to three more women have now come out with allegation allega >> reporter: at least three more have come forward with allegations of the sexual misconduct by bill cosby. they joined ten others who have spoken publicly through various media outlets in the last several days. the stories share many similarities. in many cases they believe they were drugged. cosby told them to drink something and they can only remember certain details. cosby's attorney has vehemently

denied any of this. the newest claims from women have escalated far past the point of absurdity. and he goes on to say it is long past time for media vilification of mr. cosby to stop. speaking of women continue to forward we are hearing stories of media who have come forward trying to dig deeper but strong armed by his lawyers. cosby himself called into the station and tried to get her fired for reading on air a story from the national inquirer which he spannhad responded to allega

of the misconduct. cosby dressed me down and called me everything but a daughter of god. victor. >> wow. several live shows have been canceled. but there are still shows on schedule, right? >> reporter: right. despite the several canceled shows and another postponed indefinitely in florida and south carolina. cosby really shows no signs of slowing down. his website has live performances listed for almost every single week through may. victor? >> sarah gannon reported for us. a lot of people waiting to hear not interefrom an attorney but cosby himself. you have to talk about ferguson because a community is waiting for a decision. coming up legal experts are digging into who wha the grand jury could decide and what it would mean for the michael brown

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ferguson is bracing for a decision by a grand jury on whether to indict em battled officer darren wilson. he's the officer who shot and killed michael brown earlier this year, august 9th. overt officers arrested three people. officials are ramping up security out of concern a decision either way could incite more protesting and violence. let's bring in mark o'meara a and and mark i'll start with you. they have ease lawsuits likely to be filed on behalf of protesters back in august. >> there is lot after problems. it is a difficult balance buzz

know a national emotion about this a case. either way the protesters want to be heard and have the right to be heard. the real problems come when you have those instigators, the people who come into the peaceful protesters and make problems because they want problems. very difficult for the police to handle that. and you are right. now they have got to do it through a filter that they are already being sued for their behavior back in august and september when they acted, in my opinion, sort of inappropriately because they were insensitive to the passions that were there on the street. >> and there were some who ask if their actions actually provoked some of the response and the exacerbation of the situation there by training their rifles on a crowd of protesters in one case in their many examples. elise. what are the possibilities that officer wilson could face? walk us through some. >> well there are a number of charges here. obviously the most serious is first-degree murder. which means his intent was

deliberate to kill michael brown. and then there are all the lesser charges that can come from that. and the least charge that we're going to see is involuntary manslaughter to. there are a number of charges they are looking at. obviously what he doesn't want is first-degree murder. that is the most serious. that is a life sentence. >> and the most difficult to prove. >> that's right. that's right. >> so mark, there has been in the last 24 hours an agreement by some state and local officials to at least some of the 19 rules of engagement that some of the protester groups put together. one of them to respect safe places, these churches. they say it is a conversation, not a negotiation between the two parties. is that legally binding? and is there precedent that the

police would negotiate with the protesters before a protest how they are going to respond? >> i'm not sure there is much precedent for it but i've got to say it is a wonderful idea. and the fact that there is this time to look at it and say let's behave this way. let's set up some rules of engagement or non engagement. let's give you the groundwork for what you can do properly. and by the way you can't do this. i think it is a wonderful opportunity to allow the protesters to do what they have to do, which is to release their energy, their emotions and be heard. yet for the police on the other side to be able to maintain peace and still protect the citizenry and enforce the laws that they have to enforce. i think it is a great idea. >> lisa, cnn's justice reporter evan perez reported out that officer wilson was in talks to resign from the department. he didn't want to do it while the grand jury was going through this process of listening to testimony and now they are deliberating. is it credible to think that he

would be in any way able to stay on the force? i always thought it was just assumed that he would have to be reassigned. is it credible to think he could just go back to work if he's not indicted. >> no i think this is a no-win situation for him no matter what happens. i don't know what police force would be hiring him. he's become the poster boy for police brutality, no matter what happens with the grand jury. so i think in terms of his career, he's probably going to have to make different choice. he is going to have to look at the different career. i can't imagine he would come back. i understand waiting to resign because it does appear to be some kind of admission. so that is a legal strategy choice but in terms of the rest of his life, i can't imagine he'll come back to the police. >> what changes should we expect to see, mark, to the ferguson police department as we move forward from the justice department as part of the

federal investigation? >> from the outside looking at ferguson now we know that was a festering situation. because you can't have a population which is 65, 70% african american and a police force which is completely disparate. so it was going to happen. maybe not with mike brown's case. but it was waiting to happen. and there are other towns across the nation. now that we've identified it in ferguson, and hopefully the department of justice will involve itself and get into a concert order, which is what they call it, for changes, for definite changes not only to hiring policies but how they are going to interact with the community members. and if there is any silver lining to this, ferguson may then become a model we look and see in other states and other cities that have the same concerns before we have another mike brown incident. >> all right. and of course we are waiting at any moment. that decision could come from the grand jury. of course we'll bring it to you

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so the people in buffalo, new york are still trying to dig

out from that epic snow storm. look at this. investigators say at least 13 people have now died. the latest victim a 60-year-old man who died from a heart attack while snowplowing his driveway. in some areas the people were pounded with seven feet of snow, forcing roofs to collapse. >> that makes me nervous seeing people up on their rooftops. i know they have to do it. but that is not safe. >> it isn't. >> so everybody please be careful there. and despite this record-setting snow and obviously a whole lot of challenge, one family has a lot to celebrate this morning. >> they certainly do. let's bring in tom and hearth stuvie from buffalo. they are the proud new parents of a baby girl ruby amelia. this story is incredible. >> you went into labor when the storm hit. what happened? >> good morning guys.

well, she was of due. so we'd been waiting since november 8th, really. and then when the weather forecast came through that it was going to be really, you know, potentially like a catastrophe, we thought ahead and we went into the city on monday night when it started to snow. and stayed with my friend. and so yeah, i went into labor on wednesday morning at about 8:00ish. and we got to the birthing center of buffalo pretty easily because she lives really, really close to there. and she was born just before 11:00. >> but tom wasn't there, right? >> tom has driven back to the with the kids on monday night after he dropped me off.

and then he couldn't get out again. it was -- it was just feet and feet of snow. like what? over three inches an hour. so yeah, we called him using face time so that he could at least watch. >> yeah i got to watch the birth on face time. which was really nice. >> toe marvels of modern technology. what was the first meeting like, tom? >> what was the first meeting? >> when you got to get me yesterday. >> oh great. that was fabulous. i walked in the door we just said hey t rescue crew is here and it was great to see her. great big hugs and kisses. it was wonderful. i got to meet the baby for the first time. and it was wonderful. >> we do have to ask you how everything is with your house. >> fortunately we're got here. plenty of groceries, heat and

hot water. i was taking the snow off the roof this morning with the snow rake. and i do plan on getting back on to one of the sections of the roof just as a precautionary measure to get some of the snow off. otherwise we're good. we're plowed out. some friends came over and plowed us out. a lot of helping neighbors. my other friend was able to take us to the city to rescue hearth and the baby. so it's been a collective effort by everyone. but we're doing great here. and just loving it. >> oh that's really sweet. >> so glad you were thinking ahead and into the city ahead of the snowfall. and we're glad that everything is going great with ruby emelia. >> with five other kids, your first face time baby. we're so glad everything is all right.

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actions that he himself have said are those of a king or emperor, not an american president. >> that's house speaker john boehner slamming president obama for using executive authority to protect millions of the undocumented immigrants from possible deportation. >> boehner says the president is sabotaging any attempt at reforms. on your facebook page senator, you rote president obama's amnesty is not out horrible policy. >> and went on to tweet you will do quote everything you can to push back on it so what are you planning to do? >> i've been meeting with other folks who agree with me for weeks about this. and there are two broad categories. one is litigation, which certainly outside groups and individuals are going to move

forward with and in legislators were involved in that. but that will take a while. the more immediate work is in congress and that will be to take some sort of legislative action to block or push back on this illegal action. and we are looking into exactly the most effective way do is that. >> isn't the most effective way to pass a bill? the editorial board of the washington post says the smartest move is for the republicans to actually pass reform. even after senate passed sweeping immigration reform last year they refused a vote in the lower chamber. >> i disagree with that. >> let me finish their thought here. now berate the president for thwarting the popular will. jet the gop thumbed its nose at democracy by refusing to submit to an up or down vote.

you may be against the legislation but isn't that the point of holding a vote? >> i disagree with it. but you know, whether something passes or not in congress doesn't change the constitution. doesn't grow the president's power. and that is what is at issue here. it is not just the policy. the much bigger issue is really a constitutional crisis. so just because the president doesn't get his way legislatively doesn't mean all of a sudden his powers expand and the constitution changes. >> back in 2011 you and senator rand --. a person born in the u.s. could only become a legal citizen the one or both --. you said then and i want to quote here. closing this loophole will not prevent them from becoming citizens but will ensure they have to go through the same process as anyone else who wants to become an american citizen. where do you stand on this now? >> same place.

we are the only advanced country that i know of where just because an individual is born here physically, he or she is a citizen. that is an outlier rule. no other industrialized country has that rule. so even if both parents are non citizens, even if both parents are here illegally and are non citizens, the child is a citizen. i don't know why we have that rule. i don't know anybody in the real world who agrees with it. so certainly i haven't changed my position on that. >> we have that rule because at the end of slavery, president lincoln believed that the people who built this country, the slaves, earned their citizenship to be americans. >> this has nothing do with slavery. of course -- >> it actually does. the passage of the 14th amendment. >> it has absolutely nothing do with that but the fact that someone who happens to be born here of two non citizens becomes a citizen, no other country treatise it what way. >> how does one earn citizen

hip. >> we have a legal process to earn it. and the crisis in immigration policy is that we've put our whole immigration system upside down and made it exceedly difficult to walk through that legal process so people waiting in line trying to follow the rules, we've made it far too difficult for them. meanwhile virtually unguarded borders in some areas so we're really encouraging illegal immigration. i think we need to get that right by enforcing the law. not simply allowing complete unfettered illegal immigration and also reform the system so we help people walking through the legal process. because america is a country of immigrants. not a question if we came from immigrant families. it's a question of when. and that is a wonderful part of our tradition. but it's been a tradition of legal immigration, not just

open, unfettered borders. >> i know we're up against a hard wall and i don't mean to be flip here. but is there anything more fund in the definition of being an american than being born here. how did you earn your citizenship. >> i was born here of two citizens. so, yes. absolutely. you know another rule which i think is absolutely crazy is that when congress is a portion following a new sentence, non citizens including illegals are part of that count. now i don't think the founders established congress to represent non citizens. here legally or illegally. i think that is just crazy as well. >> senator david vittel. appreciate your being here

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money or access to power. they are just people who saw a need in their community and set about trying to fix something. >> and here the celebs have turned out to pay them tribute. recording artist cheryl crow who performed at cnn's inaugural event is back for another special performance. >> i'm grateful to cnn they have started this program. because there are so many angels out there that are doing god's work. >> for the night's honorees who never seek the spot, seeing it all for the first time is a moment to remember. >> tune on sunday december 7th at 8:00 p.m. eastern. >> thank you for watching. let's turn over to fredericka whitfield. hey fred. >> good to see you all. have a great day. thank you so much. the 11:00 a.m. eastern hours of the 11:00 a.m. eastern hours of the newsroom and it begins now.

-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com brand new poets protests in fergus ferguson, the decision could come at any moment. and the brown family attorney joining us live next. then mountains of snow melting with nowhere to go. buffalo bracing for flooding after being socked by record snowfall and a look at the sudden warmup heading their way. while while american combat troops prepare to withdraw from afghanistan, the president is expanding a new role on the ground there. details on the changes, next. right now in ferguson, missouri, anxiety is mounting while we wait for the grand jury decision in the case of officer darren wilson. tensions are high but things remain peaceful there.

this is brand new video of protesters last night. police say they converged on the streets blocking traffic several times. three people were arrested for unlawful assembly. right now the grand jury may be close to deciding whether or not to diet officer wilson for the shooting death of unarmed teenager michael brown. with all eyes on ferguson, president obama has joined the chorus of voices appealing if are calm. >> using any event as an excuse for violence is contrary to rule of law and contrary to who we are. >> we've got team coverage. jason carroll in clayton, missouri, where the grand jury is deliberating the case. stephanie elam in ferguson. let's begin with you jason. what do we know with the potential timeline of events as it pertains to the decision for this grand jury? >> reporter: well fredericka most public officials out here

believe the grand jury will reach its decision soon. as of early yesterday prosecutor bob mccullough said the grand jury is still reviewing evidence. also yesterday one of michael brown's attorneys was questioned about the grand jury's decision asking, as so many people are, when he expected had grand jury to reach its decision? and he said look, it could be hours. it could be days. it could be longer than that. the key point is that in terms of michael brown and what they are looking for, it is not really about when. it is what the decision the grand jury will reach. that is what they are focused on. and of course the community reaction to that decision, whatever it may be. >> all right jason. thanks so much. keep under the circumstances post -- us posted. how might the family be preparing for this decision? joining me is one of the attorneys and a spokesman for the brown family joining us from new york. good to see you again.

>> good to see you fredericka. >> have you or the family members been given any indication about what the grand jury is doing right now, how the decision will be conveyed? >> fredericka, only that they will inform us before they make a public announcement. and that the grand jury is still doing work. >> and have you always been in contact with the prosecutors office or anyone whose giving you kind of an idea of what the grand jury is up against? >> well, you know, they have been meeting for months. and so they have to have time to deliberate like any jury. and so at this point you want the jury to take their time and try to vet the evidence and return their decision. everybody is waiting on pins and needles. i know the family emotional sit

them. they want the killer of their child to be held accountable. >> at what stage do you believe the grand jury is in? because we've had sources that have said the grand jury is very close to a decision. but what are you as a representative of the family being told specifically about that? >>, you know, my attorney team and i, we understand the legal process. and we understand that a jury can deliberate until they come to a decision. so all the speculation and rumors, we are not swayed by that. we understand that there is a function of the court and that the jury is going to deliberate and hopefully take they're time and deliberate this very important matter that not only affects michael brown's family but has such larger implications. >> and understandably this is very difficult for the parents of michael brown, as you were just mentioning. what are they going through? especially as they hear publicly all these conversations about what people are planning

depending on what kind of decision is rendered, how in the town of ferguson which remains to be the home of michael brown's family, how so many have said they are boarded up. they are treating this potential decision or the aftermath of this decision similar to how a town may be preparing for a hurricane. boarding up. trying to protect their homes. thinking of escape plans, etc. what is this doing to michael brown's family? >> well it is truly unfortunate. and they are very disturbed by people talking about violence. they were not happy with when the governor was just talking to one side versus talking to everybody as a collective community saying that we all have to be our best. because this will be a defining moment not just for missouri but all of america, fredericka. and just let me say very

clearly, michael brown's parent, his family stand united in saying they want people to be peaceful. they want people to be calm. we want you to use your voice. because they get it, everybody is frustrated how the system continues to do our young people. and we want you to be able to be constructive. i know his mother and father are trying to find positive things to do. positive things in such a terrible situation, like try to have the proposal for the michael brown law with video body cameras raised to discussion and be talking about that. talking about a system where the local prosecutors are sitting in judgment or police officers when they kill young people of color, talking about that. and then remembering it is thanksgiving, it is a time for family. they are trying to focus in on family as well. so it is very difficult for them right now with everything going on. >> michael brown's father even part of that psa to try to

encourage calm, even though people want to rightfully protest and assemble. president obama also calling for calm and peace. what concerns do you have for those who have other objectives to gather? and are you using this opportunity not to gather peacefully, but to plan on being disruptive? >> it's very worrisome fredericka, because you don't want people to try to come and get attention at the risk of michael brown's legacy and try to do things that are irresponsible and selfish when his parents have asked over and over again we want you to be peaceful. we want you to be constructive. don't disrespect my son's grave like this coming to the community, coming to ferguson

and doing things to disrespect where, you know, he took his last breaths. we want to make sure people understand that if you want to support the family, if you want to be part of the legacy to michael brown, will you do so by getting people to be constructive. start talking about voter registration. start talking about how you can have a citizen's review board in your community. how you can make the michael brown law become reality in your city for all those people traveling in from out of town all across america to ferguson. come and watch what we're doing, take it back home and try to influence your community. this is an opportunity that we can define what we've learnt in the past three months. nobody wants to go back to these horrific images that we saw three months ago in ferguson, missouri that did not look like america fredericka. >> and what are your thoughts and concerns with report as it

pertains to officer wilson, that if he's not indicted -- for if he is indicted the police chief in ferguson says that he would be fired. but there are also reports he may be kconsidering or looking into how he would resign from the fergus p police force. what are your thoughts as it pertains to him? >> well we don't want to deal with speculation and rumor. when these things come to fruition, we'll speak to them. the biggest thing is michael brown's family, and as the lead attorney for the family, we want him to be held accountable. we want him as anybody else who kills an unarmed person to be held accountable. we don't think the police officers should get any greater consideration than citizens. you know, this is america. it is about equal adjujustice.

the american constitution should apply to everybody. and that's why we always objected to the grand jury proceedings because we thought there was enough probable cause to indict the police officer for killing michael brown junior and why do the rules change when it is our children laying dead on the ground. so we want to see justice first and whatever happens with the police department and officer wilson, we will respond at the appropriate time. >> and we have a full screen. we're talking about four different scenarios the grand jury is considering as it pertains to what kind of charges could be imposed. murder charge, manslaughter. involuntary manslaughter as well. and then the possibility of a civil suit of that michael brown's family would be considering. regardless of the outcome of the grand jury decision, is the civil suit something that the family is pretty head strong on

pursuing? >> certainly the family is going to explore all possible avenues to get them justice. they want full justice and they deserve full justice. can you imagine if this was your child, several witnesses say he put his hands in the air and the police kept shooting? in america we don't have the police officers being able to be the judge, jury and the executioner. you have a court of law. and if he thought michael brown did something wrong, the way to deal with that is in the court of law. not on the street of canfield drive. >> thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. in the meantime the national guard has been called in and the governor of missouri as we just mentioned has declared that state of emergency ahead of any grand jury decision, in effort to prevent protests from getting out of hand. but is that necessarily easing

the fears of people there who live there? cnn's stephanie elam is there on the ground in ferguson where people are waiting and they are worrying. >> reporter: the closer the grand jury decision on the fate of police officer darren wilson gets. >> the uncertainty is beyond difficult. >> reporter: the more anxious many in the st. louis area grow. this woman grew up here and moved back here to raise a family. her concern is less about whether or not wilson is indicted but more about the reaction that follows. >> if there is peaceful demonstrations that is fine. but to have the violence that we've had and from peopleo outside of ferguson in the name of ferguson, no we don't like that. >> you don't want to show you face. what is your fear behind that. >> my family's safety. >> reporter: in the days of michael brown's death unrest

paralyzed ferguson and led to months of demonstrations. businesses here are boarded up, hoping to avoid destruction if protests once again spin out of control. >> reporter: schools are setting up contingency plans with the decision comes while class is in session. making the call to extend the thanksgiving holiday to last the entire week. some churches are ready to assist protesters and residents affected by potential rioting. >> to wake an sleeping community to issues that need to be addressed that have always been there i think is a great legacy. >> reporter: reverend tracey blackmon says the fissure in ferguson goes beyond black and white. >> both sides love ferguson but one side wants to be embraced and have all the rights that both sides should have. the other side is able to live in oblivion to that if they choose. >> i think it is a tragedy that young man was killed. but i think that he's given up

his life for a greater good that is going to make ferguson better. our consciousness is being raised into doing things that are more inclusive. >> reporter: meanwhile president obama adjourned attorney general eric holder and members of the community in a call for peace, no matter what the grand jury decides, telling abc news: >> using any event as an excuse for violence is contrary to rule of law and contrary to who we a are. stephanie elam back with us live. hearing the concerns of people very strong in your piece. but are many opting to leave town because of the unknown i'm wondering? >> reporter: we haven't talked to anybody who were leaving town because of this. but the other thing is it is

thanksgiving week. so people may be leaving anyway. you do get a different tone when you talk to black people or white people. a lot of the black people are concerned but not woerd about what is going to happen here in ferguson. everyone expressing to me they love the town. while others are worried about what is going to happen to them personal personally. so a different tone there but in general no one thinks that officer wilson is going to be indicted so that he's what brings them fear. >> underscores a great point. the contrast about what people are fearing what would happen to the town versus the fear of what would happen to them. thank you stephanie. coming up. a standing ovation for this man right here. bill cosby, despite all the mounting sexual assault allegations against him. and then on to something else that's mounting, snow. but those mountains of snow, guess what? they are melting within some cases nowhere to go.

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in. al kpaexandr alexandra, what are residents doing? and what can they do in this situation? >> reporter: they are trying everything possible. there is so much snow still being piled up. coming through and pluing and building snow banks but when it comes to the home owners, the they are doing that kind of work. up on the roof. look, this is tough work. it is not an easy job and people are trying to do it safely but it is incredibly essential at this point. and that is because following all this snow that's been dumped here in the buffalo area, we're just starting to see a little bit of rain come in. more rain warmer temperatures. the rain makes the snow heavier and people have several feet of snow on rooftops. we've seen a number of roofs collapsed in the area. a couple of dozen in the last few days so people are getting out while they have time before

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buffalo. we're just back from buffalo, our jennifer gray now in studio. lots of snou when you were there. still a lot of snow. i know it's hard to imagine when there would be a kind of warmup to have this melting snow and potential danger. so paint a picture for us. >> it's amazing to think we were there. and just yesterday temperatures were in the teens and 20s and now by monday about 60 degrees. you have that much snow and then it is going to start melting rather quickly. we're going to see temperatures a t 40 today. 47 tomorrow. that warmer than we have been and temperatures well above freezing. adding to that, you have that rain component and that is going to add extra wait to what is already on the roof tops. so the snow melt and warmer temperatures and then the rain. and the rain is already pushing in. we'll see another round of rain late sunday night into monday. we're not talking about huge amounts of rain. we're talking about maybe less

than an inch, inch in some places around the buffalo area. but we are talking about the snow melt adding to that. so there is a lot of water trying to drain at one time. that's why we have a flood watch in effect for sunday evening all the way through wednesday. and here is your five day forecast. we'll see temperatures in the 40s up to 60 degrees if you can believe it, fred by monday. warming quickly. >> thanks jennifer, appreciate that. now we're going to focus attention, again, on ferguson, missouri. that city is bracing for the potential after the release of a grand jury decision. but one state senator says the governor's actions are also fanning the flames of mass hysteria. she explains why next. and later, for months republicans have claimed the white house has been hiding information about the attack in ben gaghazi libya. a report that may have

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a state of emergency in effect right now in ferguson, missouri. governor jay nixon says he needs to make sure the state is prepared to handle any unrest after the grand jury decides

whether to indict officer darren wilson for killing michael brown. my next guest says the governor needs to withdraw that state of emergency. good to see you senator. you are with us just last week. why is it you believe the governor needs to reverse that decision? >> well first and foremost thanks for having me on. i do believe he needs to reverse that decision because we're not in a state of emergency. that was way too premature. according to state statue it has to be an actual occurrence when it comes to natural disaster or human disaster and we have none o that. the people protesting now they are extremely peaceful. and that's what we've been pushing throughout the last three weeks. peaceful protests, letting the protesters know that it is okay to protest and it is okay to be angry but it is not okay to destroy and damage property. it is not okay to burn down businesses and things of that sort. so i think it was just way too

premature and it heightens thing an anxiety level within the city. >> after the killing, are they using the violence to justify the state of emergency? meaning there was buildings damaged, burned and violence. and he uses that as a reference point in which to impose this state of emergency, you say even that is not reasonable? >> well you are violating the constitution. now i'm not saying don't prepare for the unseen. what i'm saying is there was no need for the state of emergency. and it was unconstitutional and the manner in which he did so. and we're asking everyone else to follow the law. he should follow the law. >> do you feel like this is intimidating to those who do have the intent of gathering peacefully as a result of the decision to see that there is state of emergency imposed to see the heightened police

presence that that is intimidating? >> i think it is insightful. i think that, you know, individuals can look at that and become extremely angry, how dare you call for a state of emergency? do you know something we don't know? is what many of those protesters may say. >> in the meantime you do live there. you know that community, that neighborhood. you know the people who live there. you are a resident yourself. and so give me an idea what is the feeling of the general populous in terms of if their worries are, they are worried about their town, they are worried about themselves personally, their safety, their worried about the message that is sent. regardless of what the decision is, what are the concerns specifically? >> well a lot of people are worried that there will not be an indictment from the grand jury. and they are extremely concerned

about that. because many of them feel like that we had a young unarmed african american black man who was gunned down because he was in the middle of the street. and we just had that same situation occur last night where you had a young unarmed black man gunned down in new york. so this is a problem throughout the country where you have law enforcement officers afraid and fearful of young black men and they are pulling out their guns a and shooting them down and kill them each day and every day. so we have to figure out what is the solution. and the city of st. louis we have to start the healing process and open the dialogue to figure out how we can stop a lot

of senseless killing when it comes to law enforcement and even black on black crime. >> and while i hear you talk about the healing process that needs to happen and we've been talking to a number of people in ferguson who are talking about their concerns about safety and how they didn't feel that way necessarily that the problem between the black community and the ferguson police has been a consistent problem in terms of trust problem there. but there have been a lot of people who have said they felt particularly safe there until all of this took place in august. and you yourself had a very close call last night being held up by gunpoint. the story you were just telling me before the break. do you feel that what happened to you last night is any way related to the tone or the tenor that has changed in ferguson? as a result of what happened in august. >> no i don't. it was just a random sense of -- act of violence. and i was like the seventh person this week, where

individuals came out of their cars and put a gun up to individual's heads. so we have a serious problem that we need to deal with. i just think at the end of the day our community is suffering. mentally and spiritually. and we have to begin to heal. and i am not angry. i think that i have a lot of work to do as a senator. so we can change the conditions and apply to the people in the city of st. louis and the district that i live in. again we're going to have peace moving forward. no matter what the verdict may be. at the end day you are going to see peaceful protests. you are not going to see a lot of violent protests here. you are not going to see the burning of businesses. you are going to see the city of st. louis rise one resilience and continue to push for justice and equality here for african americans who are indigent. and who are being mistreated.

>> i'm certainly glad you are okay after that very close encounter last night. but you definitely -- you had a few choice words for that person. do you believe they knew that you were a state senator? >> i don't think so. i think that -- you know i'm not exempt. we are living in a community where you have extreme poverty and individuals are just extremely hopeless. they don't care about life and they don't care about taking the life of others. and i just don't believe that he knew who i was. i was just there at the right time for him. to inflict that type of mental strain on me. >> all right. well you are remarkable. thank you senator nasheed. and enduring what you did last night. a gun to your head.

someone who demanded something from you. what did he demand exactly? >> well i had my purse in my hand with a bag and my soda for my little kid. and he got out of the car and said give me your keys? >> and then you said, i'm not giving you anything. >> i said i'm not giving you anything. >> he said if you don't give me your keys i'll kill you. i said well do whatever you have to do. and he backed up and gand got back in his car. and i don't know if that was the right thing to say but i was really angry and i spoke out of instinct. it is just unfortunate. and again our children, they need help. i mean they are hopeless. they don't have a sense of spirituality. and the parents are not there. you have 15-year-old kids who are raising themselves. their mothers may be 30 years old, smoking weed with him, hanging out on street corners with him.

so we have a very systemic problem in the african american community when it comes to poverty and things of that sort. so we have a lot of work to do. i'm going to roll up my sleeves and continue to do what i need to do to try to change the conditions that's plaguing the indigent communities and continue to pray for peace throughout this trying time with the michael brown verdict. again we have to push towards a peaceful resolve. there is no reason to destroy property, to burn down businesses. we have to fight on a state level. and i have to fight by way of policies. i'm looking at legislation right now that is going to change the way we do business when it comes to special prosecutors. >> okay. >> i'm working on a piece of legislation that will call for a special prosecutor when you have a police involved killing. or shooting. >> all right. state senator nasheed thank you so much. a lot of work indeed.

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the u.s. military's role in afghanistan will be extended next year despite president obama announcing a troop draw down. according to the "new york times" president obama signed an order authorizing a more expansive mission for troops in afghanistan. joining me is retired colonel rick francona. and erica. >> we want to make sure this broadanens the options u.s. tros have. it is not a big new campaign orb

offensive. if essentially the taliban or another group threatens troops then u.s. troops can carry out missions against them. you may remember back in may in the rose garden when obama announced they would be winding down the u.s. presence there. he said there would be two objectives. first to train afghan forces and second to conduct counterterrorism operations against the remnants of the al kyed. this morning a cnn official provided a statement to explain what is left and part of this new expanded role. saying this united states may provide combat and enabler support in limited circumstances to prevent detrimental effects to these afghan security force. goes on to say while we will no longer total belligerence to the extent that -- or provide director support to al qaeda.

we'll take appropriate measures to keep americans safe. and what we're also hearing from the white house and other administration officials is that they learned a lesson from the decade-long campaign in iraq that shutting the lights ou s o iraq didn't work and created conditions for groups like isis and khorasan to be created and they don't want the same thing in afghanistan, fred. >> so colonel francona, let me bring you in. we understand this was a quietly approved plan, that there is going to be military reinforcement to better secure the counterterrorism troops or personnel already there. >> that is exactly right. what the president originally wanted to do was to remove american combat forces and leave a training and advisory mission, much like in iraq. and i think everybody's concern now having seen what we saw

happen to the iraqi army, we don't want the same thing to happen to the afghan army when the taliban attacks and they will. so the president is continued combat operations and that is the bottom line. continued combat operations, not just advising and supporting. it's a smart move and what the pentagon has been pushing for. i'm concerned though about the numbers. if he continues to draw down to about 9,000 that is not a lot combat force. so we're going to be a lot more air power used to replace troops on the ground. it is definitely a change and a welcome change. >> it looks like i guess that policy or what has been approved by the president does say there would be more air support involved. colonel and aaron mcpike from the white house, thanks to both of you for helping us collectively understand what this means. thanks so much. as the ferguson grand jury weighs possible charges, we'll

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right now in ferguson, anxiety is mounting while we wait for the grand jury decision. tensions are high but things remain peaceful. this is brand new video of protesters last night. people gathering. police say some converged on the street blocking traffic several times however. people were arrested but for unlawful assembly. right now the grand jury may be close to deciding whether to invite -- indict officer wilson for the shooting death of unarmed teenager michael brown. more on annals alysis in fergus. lisa monet wayne, a former colorado publicer defender. thank you. and cnn legal analyst mark o'meara. good to see you as well, mark. mark to you first, how long generally does it take when we have sources who say it is

imminent at any moment a decision could be rendered? what is really meant by that? >> it's artificial because we're really hoping we're right that they are in the final stages. it seems as though they are. because they seem to have finished all the wn witnesses we know from outside sources the governor with a state of emergency, which i think was a mistake but he did. the federal government beefing up security around federal office buildings. now the schools announcing closings on monday. so we are getting this all this periphery information that seems imminent. but if the jury has more questions and wants more time that is up to them. not anybody outside that room. >> and >> lisa, is a message being sent by the message that is being sent by the governor, having this state of emergency, school districts are closing their schools, ahead of the holiday break, does that send a message that a decision will be rendered momentarily, at any moment,

maybe even this weekend, and that it's a decision that a lot of people are not going to like? >> i think that's what we're all assuming. and shutting down the schools, i'm not sure what why you would be doing that. but you make everything, you start ratcheting it up when you start saying, we're having an emergency, we're shutting down the schools, we're bringing in the feds. i don't know what the purpose of all that serves, ultimately, but this is an unusual situation and people really don't know how to proceed. so, in hindsight, there are going to be a lot of people saying, you shouldn't have done certain things. but it sounds like we're close to a decision. >> and then, let's go over, if you don't mind, lisa and mark, the potential decisions. if indicted, these are the potential scenarios. it could mean murder, it could mean manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, there could be a civil suit imposed by michael brown's family, and that's regardless of what kind of decision comes from the grand jury. so mark, help us understand the

elements that would have to be included for this grand jury to decide it would be murder, it would be involuntary manslaughter. what would be the differences in terms of how to read the eyewitness account, how to read the evidence? >> first-degree murder is premeditated design. meaning that wilson had an opportunity to think about killing mike brown and decided to do it. that's first-degree premeditated murder. without that, the killing of another person does not justified, what they call second-degree murder. that just means that you did it, but you had no basic to do it. that's an imperfect self-defense argument. below that is involuntary manslaughter, where you did something outrageous, almost, something that caused a death. and involuntary manslaughter, something that's reckless, you should be responsible for your actions, because you shouldn't have acted that way. over and above all of that is this whole concept of self-defense. i think the grand jury is looking at it and saying, did

wilson have the right to shoot? was he in reasonable fear of great bodily injury? if they believe that, no indictment. if they don't believe that, they'll go down that list and decide, how culpable or responsible he was for a non-justified shooting. >> and lisa, do you feel as though the grand jury is hearing eyewitness accounts, evidence that differs from what the public has already heard? because you hear people in ferguson and beyond who feel like they have made a decision based on what they learned of through news reports and et cetera, and the feeling is, everything has been, you know, put out there. do you believe, instead, there is evidence and information that perhaps the general public just don't know that this grand jury has had to weigh? >> absolutely. i mean, the whole secrecy issue is it's not transparent so we're speculating. we're out here, emotions are running high, people really don't know what's going on in the sterility of the grand jury

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all right. welcome back to the newsroom. i'm fredricka whitfield. let's get right to cnn justice reporter, evan perez. he has brand-new information about the grand jury in ferguson, missouri. evan? >> reporter: hey, good morning, fred. we know from sources that the grand jury that was here considering whether to indict officer darren wilson left the justice center here in st. louis county without reaching a decision last night. we don't know, at this point, whether they are coming back today, monday, or some other day next week, perhaps. we do know that the prosecutors here had a plan, which was that if the grand jury did not reach a decision last night, that they would come back today. what we don't know is whether that plan remains the case. whether they're sticking with that plan. you know, our entire cnn team, karen brown, my colleague in washington, we're all working our sources, trying to figure out what exactly is going to happen next.

but we do know that the original plan, with the expectation that the grand jury would reach a decision last night, that did not happen. so now that means they have to continue their deliberations and we'll see when that happens. >> so, evan, just so people can kind of envision what this means, too, so very similar to, say, a trial jury, these grand jurors would deliberate. if and when they come back, they would be in the room, they would discuss the parameters of the case. they would be pouring over documents about the eyewitness accounts, the evidence, all of that. and then try to render a decision, similar to how a trial jury would do. >> reporter: that's right. you know, the big difference with this jury is that they've had the opportunity to talk about the case. and typical juries, you wait until everything, all the evidence is in, before you begin discussing this case. and that's one reasons why prosecutors had some comfort or some expectation that a decision

would be made relatively quickly. but, you know, in this case, you know, these guys have been able to -- these 12 people have been able to talk about it. we know that they've been discussing it all along. and so the idea was that, you know, they would come in yesterday, they would get the final bits of evidence from prosecutors, and then they would begin talking about it, begin deliberating and making a decision. what apparently happened is once they got into the grand jury room, this was on the second floor here of the justice center, it appears that they decided that they needed more time. >> okay, evan perez, thank you so much. don't go away, though. because i want to also incorporate into this conversation, legal contributor, lisa monet wayne and mark o'mara. lisa, first, how concerning, worrisome, or is this kind of a regular sequence of events in your view as it pertains to a grand jury? >> well, with you know, i have to say, there are no regular sequence of events with a grand jury. they're all so very different. and we're scrutinizing this

grand jury because of what happened. but i'm assuming that the grand jury charges that the prosecutor gave them are going to be more difficult than your regular drug case or the things that you normally see grand juries look at. and the jurors have to be cognizant of all the scrutiny of the media and the world on this case. so i'm assuming that weighs heavily on their deliberations and they really want to do what's right. so it is more difficult as it relates to the scrutiny, but it's probably not anymore difficult in terms of, you know, the evidence that they're receiving. >> and mark, it was, what, less than ten minutes ago, we were all talking and you said that there's always the potential that the grand jurors would call back that eyewitness, potentially. we don't know if that's the case here, but when they haven't rendered a decision and it's unclear whether they will come back throughout the weekend or whether it be next week, is there ever a deadline on something like this, especially

when we are up against a holiday. is there, you know, certain pressure that is put on the grand jury to hurry up, or do they have, you know, in perpetui perpetuity, as much time as they want? >> there's no rule that says they have to come back. they can deliberate until they're ready. don't forget, in their context, they have go to the point where nine people agree that there should be an indictment. if you do not get nine people to agree to indict, then there's no indictment and they're done. but there is difference, not like a regular trial jury, where evidence is presented, a grand jury can go back and get other witnesses and other testimony or evidence to undo whatever confusion may exist. so while they can do and take as long as they want, i do think that the prosecutors have to be aware that we have a nation on edge and i think they should be working today. you know, regular jurors work through the weekend when they have to. work, get it done, and let this nation get moving in one direction or the other. >> mm. . and then, you know, we saw the

graphic, nine jurors here or participants in this grand jury. they have to decide. do they all have to decide in unison? this has to be a unanimous decision, mark? or they simply all have to vote, essentially? >> absolutely not. you don't need 12 to vote on anything. but 9 have to agree in order to come back with an indictment. so they have to agree, first-degree, second-degree, voluntary manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter. you have to have consensus as to one of them. and if you don't get consensus to anything, then in reality, you don't get an indictment and the grand jury is done. >> and evan, do you have something to add to that? >> you know, fred, you know, the prosecutors can have a plan. and this is what they had a plan here, for this grand jury to do. and you know, once day get into that room, it's really up to them. it's up to them how long they want to go. it's up to them, i think, you know, obviously, everyone knows what's going on in this case. they're not sequestered. so they've been able to read media and see all the tv coverage and they know all the

preparations that have been made. for possible trouble if they decide not to indict the officer here. so i'm sure they want to make sure they've considered everything. >> i'm sorry to interrupt you, ev evan. but i wonder from your perspective and where you are there, tensions already very high, anxieties already very high, i wonder if this adds to that. more uncertainty if people are, you know, apt to kind of read between the lines and make a decision on what this grand jury is able to do, evan? >> reporter: you know, that's actually the big concern among law enforcement here. you know, however long this goes, that you really keep the tension up so high for so long that anything can really get out of control. now, you know, fred, as you know, most of these protests their going on, they have been almost nightly, are relatively peaceful. you have a few people who go out of line and then you have arrests. it all depends on how long this goes. and that's one of the big concerns, is the tension here is, you can feel it.

it is palpable and people are concerned about how long it can go. >> and while no one can really read the grand jury, you know, lisa and mark, as we just said, as it pertains to the prosecutor, mark, you kind of alluded to it a moment ago, talking about the prosecutor's role. and you've heard the discussions that this is a case in which a special prosecutor should have or perhaps it should have been entertained, a special prosecutor should have been involved here, too, that this current prosecutor should have recused himself because of other cases that he has, that involve officer darren wilson, and that darren wilson's demise may potentially impact those impending cases. is that a valid argument, perhaps even heard from the state senator earlier who said, this is a case where a state prosecutor should have been brought in. mark, i'm curious to know what your point of view on this is? >> as to one particular point, anytime you investigate a cop, you may be destroying his other cases. so i'm not too convinced that

that was a reason for it. the national publicity may have been, but mccullough said, i'm not going to get out of the case, because this is what i've done for 25 years. but here's the one insulation that he's put in place. and i like that this is done. he's being very, very transparent with the transcripts. so if, in fact, he is leading the grand jury down a path that will cause him consternation, some concern with other people, we're going to know about it. we're going to see it in the transcripts and know whether he truly did this in a way that he should have, which is impartial, get it all out to the grand jury, and let them make a decision, not something that the prosecutor wanted. >> okay. still, lots more to talk about, lisa, mark, evan. we'll talk again later on in the hour. meantime, just to review for some of you who are just now joining us. now we know, the grand jury did not reach a decision yesterday. still unclear if that means a grand jury will be meeting again today, next week, we don't know. but perhaps a radio talk show

host in st. louis, perhaps, mcgraw, you're getting a sense from your audience whether they are, i guess, deciding what their next steps are, predicated on what the grand jury does. how might this information that no decision reached by the grand jury will in any way kind of dictate the actions of some people there who are planning to gather or some people who are just listening intently about what will happen next? >> well, you have to sort of set the scene here in st. louis. and everything that is being done here in st. louis is based on fear. there is this elevated level of fear of the unknown. we don't know when the decision is coming, we don't know what the decision is going to be, and when it finally does come, what's going to happen? so schools are being closed, people are stocking up on food, people aren't leaving their home. there is an ominous feeling, and i've never lived through some type of martial law, but downtown clayton feels like something's about to happen.

and so the streets are empty, ferguson, behind me, there's just sort of this ominous feeling, waiting for this shoe to drop. >> and then, clayton is kind of nearby, you know, or in between kind of ferguson and st. louis. but all of these communities are impacted, is what i'm gathering from you. not just ferguson, but neighboring communities are impacted too. why is that? >> there is no question, because a list of protesters put out a list of potential targets and those targets aren't just in clayton -- >> what do you mean, targets? what do you mean by that? what do you mean by that, targets? >> i mean exactly what i mean. there was a list of quote/unquote potential targets that was released earlier in the week, which is what makes people so fearful. and it was law firms and political offices and it was schools and it was churches and it was hospitals, all throughout

the st. louis metropolitan area. we have had elected officials go on national tv and say, if we don't get the decision we want, you haven't seen anything yet. so this fear, these threats, real or fake, are out there, and that's why so many people are on edge. >> so, help me understand the whole fear. because we hear the use of the word "fear" in so many different ways. when many people in the community said that there has been an ongoing fear of distrust between particularly the black community and the police community, it was very clear what that was. and then, following the death of michael brown and protests, then there was also the use of fear, but it was used in a very different way. fear of one another. can you help us understand what people mean when they say they're fearful right now. are they fearful of law enforcement, are they fearful of one another, fearful of people who are coming to the community, who are not from the community? help me.

>> well, there was a story this morning that came out that jennings has canceled their school all of next week. why? because there were people who were handing out flyers that were saying, kids, you need to help agitate, you need to be disrespectful, you need to say things i can't say on a family news program. so, the school decided it's safer to just close the school down. they're talking about canceling school. schools want 48 hours notice before sympathetomething happen. there are families that are just fearful, fearful, i guess of what the police might do, of what the protesters might do, fearful of the anarchists who have come to town to cause trouble. the fear of the unknown. nobody knows what's going to happen. and that's when the fear kicks in. let me also say, the fear of the elected officials to actually inform the public of how it's going to work, what's going to happen. go back to giuliani during 9/11.

whether you like his politics or not, at the top of every hour, he held an hourly news briefing. when you have governor nixon hold a news conference saying, he's calling for a state of emergency and when asked who's in charge, he can't answer that question, that instills fear with everybody. >> mcgraw milhaven, thanks so much, radio talk show host. thanks for explaining and helping to convey the sentiment you're hearing from a number of your listeners. appreciate it. >> anytime. coming up, mountains of snow melting with absolutely nowhere to go. buffalo bracing for dangerous floods after being socked by record snowfall. a look at the sudden warm-up heading their way. down. we'll even buy you out of your contract. so you can get the samsung galaxy note 4 for zero down today.

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feet of snow in just days. that's a year's worth of snow before the end of november. roofs are buckling under the weight and with rain and warmer temperatures now on the way, swift water rescue crews are in place as well, as fears of flooding are now rising. alexandra field joining us now. so, how are people coping, in general? >> reporter: i mean, a lot of people look at buffalo and say, they're used to snow, but they've been harder hit than ever before. now the secondary threat, the warmer weather, the rain that's starting to come down now. but you can see that there are people who are out here, they're doing their shoveling, they've got the snow blowers out, they've got plows on their trucks and there's so much work to do. when you finish your house, it's on to a neighbor's house or on to a family member's house. but as the rain comes, a lot of people telling us, their number one priority right now, getting their roof cleaned off. listen to what one man said. >> obviously, with the rain coming up and the temperatures

getting warmer, just worry about the snow getting heavier, obviously. so we've got 6 feet, average, across the roof. these roofs are going to give out. so just trying to take precaution. >> reporter: massive effort underway right now to get some of this snow out of here, especially in the city. south buffalo is one of the hardest hit areas. right now, there are 1,600 dump trucks on the road. their job, to come on through and pick up some of the snow that's being piled up in these snowbanks. they're trying to haul them out of the city, out of the surrounding areas, in order to control the floodwaters once the temperatures begin to rise a little bit later this week. fred? >> all right. lots to worry about. thanks so much, alexandra. let's talk to jennifer gray here in studio. so how potentially severe could this flooding be? >> well, it's really, time will tell. there's no idea to really know the exact impacts. it's all going to play out,

though, and the threat is there. there is a flood watch in effect. we're going to have the melting, we're going to have the added rain. a lot of water is going to try to drain at one time. the rain already there, and it is going to continue off and on, light rain as we go throughout the late evening hours into the overnight. and then a little bit of a break on sunday. we'll get more rain through there on monday. so that's going to add even more rainwater. and temperatures are warming at the same time. so you're going to have the snow melt at the same time you're having some added rain. so that is the fear. we're not going to see a whole lot of rain. most likely, less than an inch. maybe an inch in some isolated places, so this is going to fill up the creeks, the rivers very, very quickly. areas that have poor drainage, there is that threat for flood. that flood watch is in effect from sunday evening all the way through wednesday due to that warm air, the rain, and the snowmelt. and look at these temperatures, they are quickly warm. 41 today. 47 tomorrow, fred. 60 by monday. but then look at tuesday. you're back at 37 degrees and

possibly seeing more snow on tuesday. so, we have a lot that's going to play out over the next three days. >> what a real mess, because on tuesday, freezing of a lot of that rain, a lot of that snowmelt. wow, that's going to be a very messy, dangerously, potentially very dangerous situation as well. >> you bet. thanks so much, jennifer. appreciate that. all right, bill cosby in the middle of an avalanche himself of great allegations. but he is still getting love from fans. we'll show you what happened at his latest performance.

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bottom of the hour now. welcome back. i'm fredricka whitfield. we've just learned, brand-new information about the grand jury deliberating in the case of ferguson police officer, darren wilson. sources tell cnn the jury did not reach a decision last night. it's unclear, however, when the panel will reconvene. wilson fatally shot michael brown, an unarmed black teen, back in august. the officer's supporters say wilson fired in self-defense, but brown's backers claim the officer was the aggressor. and a long-awaited report on the benghazi terror attack finds no wrongdoing from the obama administration. the investigation, which was spearheaded by republicans,

debunks theories that there was a cover-up. senior media correspondent and host of cnn's "reliable sources," brian seltzer has details. >> this looked like a friday night news dump. that's the term for a news announcement that comes out that seems to get buried by the people releasing it. in this case, it was put out by the house intelligence committee. to look into what happened on the night of the terrorist attack in benghazi, libya, on september 11th, 2012. the report was released with little fanfare on friday night, but it seemed to dismiss many of the conspiratorial myths that have been built up and surrounded the events in benghazi. for example, the report found that there was no intelligence failure prior to the attack. it also found that there was no quote/unquote stand down order given to military assets that could have tried to help and save the four americans who died there that night. the report goes into great

detail, but i've got to be honest. i don't think it's going to change many people's minds. the report got very little attention from media outlets when it was released. i noticed only two mentions of it on fox news, for example. fox is one of the main media outlets that has announced the narrative about benghazi that's conspiratori conspiratorial, that suggests that criminal acts were taken by people involved, maybe by people in the obama administration, maybe people in then secretary of state hillary clinton's state department. this report is not the only one about benghazi and it will not be the last. the house select committee on benghazi continues its investigation, and it says it is undeterred by these new revelations. fred, back to you. >> thank you so much, brian. with me right now are cnn political commentators maria cardona and ben ferguson. so ben, you're one of the critics who actually hammered the obama administration for the way they handled this attack. in february on cnn, you called u.n. ambassador sue vasan rice,

quote/unquote, a liar, and insinuated she was part of a cover-up. now you've got this investigation, it's a bipartisan conclusion that debunks that and says that there was no cover-up. do you want to take all that back now? >> no, it doesn't cover up the fact that the first three of the four points that they put out in this report say very clearly that the administration did, in fact, lie and mislead on the fact that there was a spontaneous protest. this report makes it very clear in the first three points that they make that there was no protest before that attack. this was a terrorist attack and, yes, the administration misled it. so, you have to read the entire report to see very clearly that they did mislead the american people on the protests. they did mislead on the narrative afterwards, that this was spontaneous in a protest. that never happened. and they knew it and they still pushed that narrative. >> the biggest contention was -- that was the biggest contention, that there was a cover-up. and this report flat-out says,

no cover-up. >> well, the report flat-out says that they did not give the accurate information. this report flat-out says, there was no protests. it was a terrorist attack. so look at the report for what it actually says. and it makes it clear, susan rice did, in fact, lie, and did not tell the truth. >> so you don't think there's anything in this report that corrects your standing or corrects the standing of many critics, that the obama administration was hiding something, intentionally misled -- >> what clarifies it -- >> it has no value, is that what you're saying? >> what it clarifies is that the cia was not pressured to cover it up. it also makes it very clear, there was no spontaneous protests, which was the narrative of the obama administration put out when this attack happened. and this report stands by, in a bipartisan way, and says that, in fact, it was a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11. there was no protest. these were accurate, trained individuals who attacked the compound on the anniversary of

9/11. the report blatantly says that. so, again, susan rice, yes, she went out on tv and lied to the american people. >> so maria, why would that make a difference in the outcome of this report in your view? >> because, it outright proves that the republicans were absolutely wrong. and when they continue to try to push these myths and conspiracy theories, they're frankly proving to the american people that they don't want to governor, that they don't want to find solutions, that the only thing they want to do, their first priority continues to be to try to bring down the obama administration. my friend, ben, really needs to go back to the report and read it. it actually -- >> i did, all 37 pages. >> let me finish, ben, i didn't interrupt you. it actually said that there was a flaw in the intelligence gathering process to find out what should be said. it also says, the obama

administration had nothing to do with putting together those talking points. so, when susan rice went out, the weekend after, those were intelligence talking points and information that were put together by the intelligence committee and the intelligence community. >> maria -- >> so the obama administration had nothing to do with misleading the american people and the more that republicans try to underscore that myth and that conspiracy theory -- >> it's not a myth, maria, when the report says -- >> the more they're proving that they don't want to find solutions to this. >> again, the report says, blatantly, that the adviser on national security, the president, sent an e-mail, which is in the report, that says, talking points for susan rice. and it specifically says, to replace the word "terrorist attack" with a "spontaneous protest." that's in the report. >> is that not the intelligence community? is that not the intelligence community, ben?

>> that's the adviser to the white house. >> that was not susan rice, not the obama administration, that's part of the intelligence community. >> you know what's fascinating here is, this report would seem to have some teeth, some merit, but, ben, you know, i'm still hearing an argument over whether anyone should embrace this report. you two are still arguing over the details of the account. as if this report didn't even happen. so, are you saying, ben, that this report is insignificant, it doesn't hold any water -- >> no, it's very significant. i want to make that clear. it's incredibly significant. and here's why. it clarifies that, in fact, there was not a stand down order to the cia outpost, and that they were allowed to go in and actually try to help save americans who were being killed. it also is very important, for the same reason, that the spontaneous protests never happened. the report says, it should have never been brought up in the media. it should have never been pushed to the narrative by this white

house. and it also says that it was obvious, from e-mails that were obtained that the white house did not want this to be a terrorist attack. they wanted it to be a protest, they wanted it to be because of a youtube video, and they made it clear in the report that that narrative was a false narrative put out by this white house. >> the report clearly debunks all of these republican myths. >> no, it doesn't. >> and i understand it's difficult for ben to admit that he's wrong and the whole republican party were wrong. >> read the report! it doesn't admit anything. >> and that's why they put it out on friday, and that's why fox news hasn't mentioned it, except maybe twice, and why conservative media isn't talking about it. because it doesn't underscore the myths they want to put out there. >> maria cardona, ben ferguson, thank you so much. appreciate it. all right, next, waiting for that decision from the ferguson grand jury. our legal guys are here to discuss what might be expected, next. (receptionist) gunderman group.

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all right. still awaiting word from the grand jury in ferguson, missouri. sources tell cnn that the grand jury did not make a decision last night. still unclear when it will reconvene. well, here is some of the outcomes being considered. indictment of police officer darren wilson for first-degree murder or second-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, or

they could decide that, no indictment is necessary. let's bring in our legal dguys, avery freeman, and rick herman joining us from las vegas. >> hi, fred. >> so richard, to you first. what is generally the timeline for a grand jury? is this an unusual that a decision would not be made last night and this could potentially continue? >> fred, there is no timeline. they can take as long as they want on this. and they're deliberating and there's a lot of external pressure on these jurors. you know, they're instructed not to read anything about this case, not to discuss this case with other people. but you know, fred, i've gone to trials and i've seen jurors walk in with newspapers and it's like me telling you, you could think of any color you want. don't think of the color red, but you're thinking of red. these jurors are watching tv, they're seeing the news, they see how important and critical this decision is. they need 9 out of 12. and we're all speculating now, because nobody knows, fred. but i think it's very close to

getting nine. and i think maybe one or two jurors they're waiting for. that's why i think they closed the schools next week in ferguson. i think they're gearing up for it. i do not think it's going to be a first-degree true bill. i think, probably, it could very well be an involuntary manslaughter true bill. i think that's how it's going to come down. but if it doesn't come down with any true bill, fred, it's because of the variant versions and conflicting stories of the facts and what went down that day. i think that's what's going to do it. >> okay, avery, we're talking about 12, in all, that richard was outlining. seven men, five women, three black, nine white. nine have to make a decision, meaning, nine of those people have to agree on any number of these scenarios, correct? even if it means no indictment. >> yes. >> right, avery? >> that's exactly right. and you know what's really interesting, we know what's been leaked and we know what we've heard from speculators.

the fact is, there's an enormous amount of evidence that we will, or we don't know about right thousand. now, ultimately, robert mccullough, the prosecutor, has indicated he's going to put it all online, after the decision by the grand jury. and we're going to know a lot more. but i think -- >> what do you mean by that? what do you mean? >> the transcripts. >> there's a great deal of evidence that we're not seeing, is what i'm saying. and mccullough has indicated that it's all going to be out there, it's going to be made public. and so i think the idea of deciding whether or not there's going to be an indictment, whether or not, you know, what gradation, i think is truly all speculation right now. i'm in agreement with one point, and that is, clearly, there's going to be an issue of self-defense, use of force, clearly, the grand jury is thinking about that. but at the end of the day, right now, because we don't have access to everything, it is pure speculation on what the grand jury is going to do. >> okay. we'll have to leave it there.

avery, richard, i know you're disappointed. i see that head shaking. sorry. >> hey, fred -- >> but there will be many other opportunities that we are going to be able to -- >> that's right. after thanksgiving, by the way. >> fred, two quick things -- fred, lehi lafayette, sold out, earth, wind and fire. my son, bryce, is playing for the state national championship. >> all right! congratulations! that's awesome! >> happy thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving to you too! both of you. appreciate it >> happy thanksgiving fred and avery. >> take care, richard and avidry. all right, meantime, other stories we're following. authorities say america is vulnerable to cyberattacks. >> this is something real. and that has the potential to lead to truly significant, almost catastrophic failures. >> what the u.s. is doing to prevent them, next. so,as my personal financial psychic,

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could a cyberattack on the u.s. shut down our entire power grid? authorities say it's more likely to happen than you'd actually think. cnn's chief national security correspondent, jim sciutto, explains. >> reporter: fred, the nsa chief, admiral rogers,

identified china, but russia is viewed as presenting a direct cyberthreat, as well as non-state groups acting on behalf of russia and china and other countries. other nations the u.s. is concerned about, iran, north korea, and syria, each with an interesting development in offensive cybercapabilities. together, it's this collection of threats that led the former cia director, leon panetta to warn, that the next pearl harbor could be a cyberattack. the nation's power grid, water utilities, air traffic control systems and financial services companies, all vulnerable to cyberattacks from china, russia, and hackers acting on behalf of russia and other countries. a dramatic attack capable of shutting down one or all of those systems says nsa chief, admiral michael rogers, not a question of if, but when. >> the cyberchallenges we're talking about are not theoretical. this is something real. and that has the potential to lead to some truly significant,

almost catastrophic failures if we don't take action. >> reporter: the preparation, says admiral rogers, have already begun. four nations as well as mono-state actors, working on their behalf, carrying out recon missions on systems to seek out and test vulnerabilities. a successful attack call come at any time, taking down the nation's power grid, for instance, piece by piece. >> the lights go out, do we stop pumping water? does that mean they already have the capability to flip the switch, if they wanted to? >> there shouldn't be any doubt in our minds that there are nation states and groups out there that have the capability to do that. >> reporter: cyberattacks have already struck some of the u.s. government's most sensitive systems. in late october, attacks targeted the white house's unclassified e-mail system, with russia or russian entities cited as the most likely suspects. and earlier this week, another attack disabled the state department's e-mail. the only defense, admiral rogers argued, is preparing to strike back. defense, he says, is a losing

strategy. >> we needed to find what would be offensive, what's an act of war, those are all issues we're trying to come to grips with right now. >> reporter: china denied that it would carry out cyberattacks against the u.s., saying that its own law prohibits such attacks. but the fact is, china has a vast and highly developed cyber strategy, intended for both military and economic gain. and in his annual threat report, the director of intelligence, james clapper, says that russia and china hold views substantially divergent from the u.s. on the meaning and intent of international cybersecurity. fred? >> thanks so much, jim sciutto. all right. after a lot of silence, bill cosby is finally reacting to the rape allegations against him. details of what he said in florida, coming up. [car revving] [car revving] ♪

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this year's cnn's hero tribute was a star-studded event. it actually airs december 7th. mikalchaela pereira got a sneak peek. >> reporter: it is a chilly day here in new york, but one of the hottest events is about to start right here behind me through those doors. you can come with me and i'll give you a backstage pass to cnn

heroes: all-star tribute. this year's venue, the iconic american museum of natural history, a grand place to honor ten everyday people doing extraordinary things. >> we're in what's called the whale room. you're wondering why, right? a little hint for you. mm-hmm. the days leading up to the main event are action packed. cameras, lighting, hd video screens, and decor are put in place. and no show is complete without the rolling out of the red carpet. before you know it, a transformation. >> so inside this trailer, my fantastic colleagues are putting the final touches on the show. dare i go in? come on, look alive, people! we're almost at showtime! on this night of the museum, host anderson cooper and the cnn team honor a very special kind of person. >> a lot of these people, they don't have a lot of money, they don't have access to power, they don't have, you know, they're

just people who saw a need in their community and set about trying to fix something. and here, the celebs have turned out to pay them tribute. recording artist sheryl crow, who performed at cnn hero's inaugural event is back for another special performance. >> i'm grateful to cnn that they started this program. because there's so many angels out there on this planet that are doing god's work. >> reporter: for the night's honorees that never seek the spotlight, seeing it all for the first time is a moment to remember. >> so the real stars are, indeed, the cnn heroes. the show airs sunday, december 7th, at 8:00 eastern, right here on cnn. we've got so much more straight ahead in the newsroom and it all starts right now. all right. hello, again, everyone. i'm fredricka whitfield. at this hour, new information

about the ferguson grand jury. sources tell cnn that the jury did not reach a decision. we'll break down what that means and how the community is reacting. then, american combat troops prepare to withdraw from afghanistan. the president quietly expanding another military role in that country. details on the changes ahead. plus, bill cosby at the center of new rape allegations, but that didn't stop the crowd from giving the comedian a standing ovation in florida. wait until you hear what he just said about the accusations. anxiety is high in ferguson, missouri, as we wait on a decision from the grand jury deliberating the case against police officer darren wilson. we just found out the jury did not reach a decision on friday. let's go right to cnn justice reporter, evan perez, in clayton, missouri. so evan, what are you hearing

about the circumstances of no decision yet? >> reporter: well, fred, we know the wait continues. the grand jury was meeting yesterday. they left here last night, they were here at the grand jury room in the st. louis county justice center behind me. and whatever their deliberations were yesterday, they decided they needed more time. the question is whether they're returning here today, whether they're back here today, that is, or whether they're going to wait until monday or some other day next week to continue their discussions, to continue looking at the evidence, and making a decision on whether to indict darren wilson, the police officer, who shot michael brown. as you said, you know, the tension is pretty high in ferguson. we're a few miles away from there. we have protesters in town, we have people -- i run into people from colorado, people from new york, who have come here, waiting for this weekend, waiting for a decision from this grand jury. and that wait is going to continue for a little longer. >> and so, evan, is it ever the case that a grand jury can be

deadlocked, or is it the case that of the 12, 9 must have a decision, no matter how long it takes? >> reporter: well, you know, that's actually a very good question. you know, if the grand jury can't reach a decision, that means there is no indictment, that means that there is no true bill. that means that the officer here, darren wilson, is not going to face any charges. so that is actually part of the -- what we don't know is going on behind the scenes. we don't know whether they were simply deadlocked on some of these questions that were presented by the prosecutors or whether there is just a matter of them wanting to take more time looking at the evidence. we've talked to sources the telling us some of what's going on, but really the 12 people in that room are the ones who know where they're at. >> and evan, there remains the possibility that these jurors could ask for new testimony or information on those who have testified.

they may ask them to testify again. >> reporter: well, yes. they're in control. once the prosecutors have, you know, given them everything, they have the ability to ask for more information. they are in control of this matter, of this decision. so if they want more time, if they want more information, the prosecutors have to give it to them, obviously. and that's where we're at. >> interesting. all right, evan perez, thank you so much from clayton. keep us posted. meantime, the u.s. military's role in afghanistan will be extended next year, despite president obama announcing a troop drawdown. according to "the new york times," president obama has signed an order authorizing a more expansive mission for troops in afghanistan. i want to go to our erin mcpike at the white house for a better explanation about what all of this means and when this plan goes into place, erin. >> reporter: well, fred, you may remember that president obama was adamant that combat would

conclude in afghanistan by the end of the year. and this new order could, in effect, reverse that. now, it is not a brand-new military campaign or specific offensive, but it just gives u.s. troops in afghanistan a little more authority and more room to do what they need to do in case they are threatened. it gives them the authority to carry out missions against the taliban and other groups that threaten them. but i want to play for you first what president obama said in the rose garden, in may, when he was announcing that the u.s. would wind down the troop presence and that combat would conclude. well, here he is, describing the two remaining objectives. liste listen. >> i've made it clear that we're open to cooperating with afghans on two narrow missions after 2014. training afghan forces and supporting counterterrorism operations against the remnants of al qaeda. >> reporter: now, this new order builds on that counterterrorism and could allow for some more

combat. i want to read to you the specific language provided to us by a senior administration official this morning. that official says, as part of this mission, the united states may provide combat enabler support to the afghan national security forces in limited circumstances to prevent detrimental stree aal strategico these afghan security forces. that official goes on to say, while we will no longer target belligerents, solely because they are members of the taliban, to the extent that taliban members directly threaten the united states and coalition forces in afghanistan or provide direct support to al qaeda, we will take appropriate measures to keep americans safe. and fred, i will also point out, one of the things we're hearing from administration officials and other experts is that this administration learned a lot from the decades-long expedition in iraq and the fact that after the u.s. pulled out, it really created this situation for isis and the khorasan and other

groups to be created. and they want to avoid that same kind of thing happening in afghanistan. and that's why they're there giving u.s. troops the authority to do more if they should need that authority, fred. >> all right. erin mcpike, thanks so much, at the white house. all right. a vindication for the obama administration and former secretary of state hillary clinton? a long-awaited report on the benghazi terror attack finds no wrongdoing from that administration investigation, which was spearheaded by republicans debunks theories that there was a cover-up. senior media correspondent and host of cnn's "reliable sources," brian stelter, has details. >> hi, fred. this sure looked like a friday night news dump. that's the news industry term for an announcement or a report that comes out that seems to get buried by the people releasing it. and in this case, this report was put out by the house intelligence committee, controlled by republicans, but also made up of democrats. this was a bipartisan report, to look into what happened on the

night of the terrorist attack in benghazi, libya, on september 11th, 2012. the report was released with little fanfare on friday night, but it seemed to dismiss many of the conspiratorial myths that have been built up and have surrounded the events in benghazi. for example, the report found that there was no intelligence failure prior to the attack. it also found that there was no quote/unquote stand down order given to military assets that could have tried to help and save the four americans who died there that night. the report goes into great detail, but i've got to be honest, i don't think it's going to change many people's minds. the report got very little attention from conservative media outlets when it was released on friday night. i notice only two mentions of it on fox news, for example. fox is one of the main media outlets that has really advanced the narrative about benghazi that's conspiratorial, that suggests that criminal acts were taken by people involved, maybe by people in the obama administration, maybe people in then secretary of state hillary clinton's state department. this report is not the only one

about benghazi and it will not be the last. the house select committee on benghazi continues its investigation and it says it is undeterred by these new revelations. fred, back to you. >> brian, thank you so much for that. coming up, bill cosby at the center of new rape allegations. but that didn't stop the crowd from giving the comedian a standing ovation. wait until you hear what he said about the accusations. eeeeeeeee financial noise financial noise financial noise financial noise

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in a surprise move, bill cosby has now commented on though sexual assault allegations that have been piling up against him. a lot of people have been hoping that he would address the allegations made by several women, and now we've learned that he did speak about it during an interview with a florida newspaper. i want to go to cnn's sarah ghana in new york. so he breaks his silence

backstage? >> that's right. there are up to three new women who have come forward with new allegations in the last 24 hours with sexual misconduct by bill cosby. they join ten others who have spoken publicly through various media outlets in the last several days. none of these women's stories have yet been verified by cnn, but their stories do share many similarities. in many cases, the women say they believe they were drugged by cosby. and he had been silent up until now, as you mentioned, but last night he talked a bit to the florida newspaper called "florida today," the most detailed response he's ever given. this is what he said. quote, i know people are tired of me not saying anything, but a guy does not have to answer to innuendos. people should fact check, people shouldn't have to go through that and shouldn't have to answer to innuendos. to be clear, fred, these are mostly detailed and specific allegations that are being made against him by these women, not just innuendo. fred, i also want to tell you that as these women continue to come forward, we're also hearing stories from members of the

media who say they tried to dig deeper into allegations against cosby, but were strong-armed by his lawyers. a contributor for the daily beast told anderson cooper on cnn that when he worked for a different media company several years ago, his story was censorsenso censored by cosby's lawyer. additionally, the talk show host, wendy williams said on her show this week, when she worked in local radio in the 1990s, cosby called in himself and tried to get her fire for reading a story from the "national enquirer" that mentioned allegations against cosby. his lawyer has not yet responded to our story about those reports about those squashed stories. but he did say this. he said, over and over and over again, we have refuted these new unsubstantiated stories with documentary evidence only to have new uncorroborated stories crop up out of the woodwork.

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sources tell cnn's justice reporter, evan perez, there was no grand jury decision on friday in the case against ferguson police officer, darren wilson. jason carroll is live for us in clayton, missouri, a town of about 15,000, which borders st. louis. so jason, what are people in clayton saying? >> reporter: well, understandably, like most people in the general area of st. louis, there's concern here as well. just within the past few minutes, i just want to show you what's been happening, where we are in front of the justice center here. you can see some of those orange and yellow pilons over there. some of the workers coming in, because they're just setting up for what will eventually happen out here, possibly at some point, they'll be blocking off the street here. but want to give you a sense of what's happening behind me, as we're talking here. but i've been in this community now for a few days, talking to people here, just a few blocks from where i'm standing, there are a number of businesses. and a lot of people have some very real concerns.

some business owners, buying plywood in case they have to board up windows. checking on their insurance to see if they're covered in case something happens. one owner telling me that he is covered, filed under the category of civil unrest. but having said that, i also have to point out another point here. and that is, given all that we've seen here, fredricka, over the past few months, the overwhelming amount of demonstrations that we've seen throughout the area of st. louis, whether it be ferguson or in other parts, has been peaceful. and so, that's one thing that you have to remember, despite everything that you're hearing here about people preparing for this or preparing for that, some of those people here in the community point out, perhaps what will happen in the future will be in some ways what we've seen here in the past. peaceful demonstrations, regardless of whatever decision the grand jury happens to reach. >> all right. jason carroll, thanks so much in clayton. i'm joined now by justin

handsford, he is an assistant professor at st. louis university law school. and he has also been a community organizer for the protesters. and bishop harry jackson jr., he is the senior pastor of hope christian church and the founder of the high impact leadership coalition. both joining me from ferguson. good to see both of you gentleman. thanks so much. >> good morning. >> so, bishop, if i could ask you first, what are your impressions about the message being sent when you see the barricades going up there, outside the courthouse in nearby clayton? >> i think it looks like an occupying force is in the land, and unfortunately, part of the history seems to me, is that there is this police enforce, that's not from the community, that's no a race to the people who are here, it can be ominous. but i agree with your previous statements, that it seems like people that live in these regions want some kind of

peaceful interaction. >> so, justin, you've been one of the organizers of what is likely to be a gathering or, do you want it to be called a protest? what is your plan as it relates to people gathering, there in ferguson, after a decision is announced? >> well, i think it's inevitable that people will come out to express their righteous indignation. i was actually in the united nations with the mike brown family, recently, and we know that there's a moral outrage that is sure to register in the event that there's no accountability for the killing of mike brown that's part of a long legacy of unaccountability for police killings of young people of color. so the plan is to try to promote safety. we're providing safe spaces for people in the event that there is widespread unrest.

and i think that the bottom line is that people throughout the community are really worried about their own safety and the safety of their friends and family. so we're trying to make sure that whether it's police reactions, whether it's tear gas, whatever sorts of overreactions the police engage in, we want to keep people safe from that by any means necessary. >> so you mentioned the indignation if there's no indictment, but what if there is an indictment? it seems like you were painting the picture, if there is no indictment. but what if there is an indictment, are you saying that people will still gather, the scene would be different, or what you just painted is going to happen, regardless of what kind of indictment or whether there is no indictment? justin? >> it's impossible to predict what people will do. i'll say that even if there is an indictment, we will be looking forward to a trial.

remember, this decision is only a grand jury indictment decision. and we still have to look forward to a long trial process, which could result in the finding of innocence. so that will mean a longer period of organizing and raising awareness. but, again, there's such a large number of people in the community who are passionally interested in justice. and so they are going to be responding. and i believe that there's an appropriate response. and whether there's an indictment or no indictment, i think people are going to be showing that they're here. they have a moral consciousness, and they want to make their presence felt, express their first amendment rights. >> bishop, go ahead. >> fredricka, can i add something? >> yes. >> i think that we have to also focus on long-term solutions. there's a summit here that's bringing blacks and whites together, to begin to deal with this issue. we are not in a post-racial

environment. it's going to take a long time to heal the problems. but i think we need to challenge churches to rise up across racial boundaries, and be a healing agency for the long haul. no matter what happens, it seems like the church united. black, white, hispanic, has not answered that call yet. so i'm issuing that call, that alarm saying, wake up. let's unify, so that justice can happen long term. >> bishop harry jackson, justin hansberg, thanks to both of you gentleman for joining. still to come, deadly and unprecedented. that has been the week for buffalo, buried under a snowstorm. we'll have a live report on how the city is trying to dig out and bracing for another potential problem. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night,nd.

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how is that snow removal effort going? >> reporter: yeah, it actually sounds pretty shocking, but you can believe it when you see it. look at these snowbanks that they've piled up. they've been making passes all morning. you can see these snowbanks, 6, 7 feet high. not an unusual sight. look all the way down this street and you can see both sides are lined with these massive snowbanks. that's because there's a concerted effort to get the snow up, get it off the roads right now. and for the last two days, we really have seen that happening. they've opened some of the roads that were shut down, and the goal was to get abandoned vehicles off the road and make way for more services to be provided. to bring in more trucks and more snow removal equipment, and also to bring in the tools that will be needed if we start to see flooding, which is the major concern. when you talk about this much snow, the governor is warning as temperatures rise, we could see the most significant flooding this area as heen in a very long time. >> and it looks like the conditions are changing there. the last time we spoke, it looked a little sunnier.

but now i'm hearing that wind and it's kind of ominous that the sky seems a little bit more ominous than before. looks like we don't have audio there with alexandra steel. >> reporter: you're breaking up a little bit. you're right, there are -- >> okay. it does look like you can hear me. go ahead. it looks like the weather has changed since the last time we spoke. >> reporter: yeah, we've been seeing a lot of that over the last few days. everyone who's been in buffalo this week has experienced a lot of everything from really heavy snow for two days, the sun was out yesterday, the rain today. this is a gradual warm-up. we do want to let people know that. but time is of the essence, because we know that those temperatures are going to get up there in the next couple of days and that's why so many people are trying to do this cleanup work. it's really essential. they're already being told to clear out their basements in case of flooding, but they're also really focused up on those rooftops. some people having a great deal of success clearing the snow off their roofs, but for people who

still have a couple feet of it packed on there, they're really worried about this rain making that snowpack heavier and that's where you can see roofs collapse and it's something people are already experiencing. they're taking the cleanup really seriously when we have this break with no rain right now, fred. >> okay. thank you so much, alexandra. appreciate that. let's check in with jennifer gray, because, you know, alexandra painting a pretty ominous picture there. i mean, anything can happen. the weather is changing by the second there. going from sunny an hour ago to now kind of overcast. so that rain that we were talking about. is this like big torrential, you know, downpour, or is this kind of a list misting drizzle that could freeze by the time it hits the ground, what's going on? >> maybe less than an inch, up to an inch, which isn't a lot, but we've got so much snow, it's all going to be melting over the next couple of days. any additional rain that you add to those roofs, of course, already maxed out with weight from the snow. so anymore weight that you add to it, of course, that is the concern. we are going to see temperatures slowly warming up, and so

hopefully, there'll be a more gradual melt, but we are going to see the melting very quickly by the time we get to monday. because temperatures will be close to 60 degrees. so that's pretty remarkable, considering temperatures were in the teens and 20s just the other day. so we're looking through some rain as we go through this evening into this evening. 11:00, there you go. a little bit of a break on sunday. by sunday evening into monday, another round of rain moving through, and that's going to push off to the north and east. and cold air coming in behind it. by the middle part of the week, we could be talking about even more snow, believe it or not. so less than an inch, up to an inch of rain possibly around the buffalo area is what we're dealing with. there is a flood watch in effect. we're going to have all of that snow melting. we'll have the rain on top of it, warmer temperatures melting that snow. that flood watch begins on sunday evening, goes into effect until wednesday, believe it or not. look at these temperatures. 40 degrees today, 47 tomorrow. 60 degrees on monday. and then we'll be back into the 30s on tuesday, with more snow

in the mix. and so we're going to be looking at this melting trend over the next couple of days, and then freezing on tuesday, fred. and i also want to mention, there is a severe threat in the south today and tomorrow, including texas. it moves a little bit more to the east tomorrow, new orleans, and the panhandle. but looking at those pictures of the people on their roofs, shoveling the snow off. that makes me want to close my eyes. that looks incredibly -- it's incredibly dangerous. >> it's already slick and now you're going to stand on the rooftop. but it's a real necessity, too. that's the tough situation, they've got to strike a balance on, you know, how to remain safe, and at the same time, the necessity is there, because otherwise that roof could give way. >> and they've got to protect their homes at the same time. >> it's terrible. >> just be careful. >> thanks so much, jennifer. all right, coming up next, the government wants millions of more air bags recalled. and why the manufacturer is revisiting those demands.

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there was a very testy hearing this week on capitol hill. lawmakers wanted to know why there hasn't been a broader recall of faulty air bags. air bags that have been linked to deaths and injuries across the u.s. here's rene marsh. >> reporter: well, fred, the air bag manufacturer acknowledged and apologized for the deaths and multiple injuries caused by the very device intended to save

lives. the hearing, in a word, heated. the issue, whether the faulty air bag recall should be expanded to include every state, and not be limited to more southern, hot, and humid states. the air bag maker believes humidity actually triggers the defect and appears poised for a fight. that could mean weeks, even months, before cars with potentially dangerous air bags, are recalled. >> we now have a live hand grenade in front of a driver and a passenger. >> for nearly three hours, senators grilled an executive from air bag manufacturer, takata, auto execs, and safety regulat regulators, about defective air bags linked to five deaths. >> do you take full responsibility for those tragic deaths? does takata take responsibility? >> we recognize three victims' case, but my understanding, two

others are still under investigation. >> reporter: when the faulty takata air bags deployed, the inflater, which is encased in metal, can rupture, sending shrapnel flying. lieutenant stephanie erdman is one of the many surviving victims. metal pierced through the air bag of her 2002 honda after a crash. >> there was a metallic object which puncture and fractured my right nasal bone and the tip of the shrapnel -- and the tip of the shrapnel had embedded in my right sinus. >> just this week, federal regulators demanded a recall of the affected cars move nationwide. a move the air bag manufacturer is resisting. >> do you agree or disagree with nhtsa's call for a nationwide recall? >> senator, it's hard for me to answer yes or no, so if you allow me -- >> it is not hard for you to answer yes or no.

>> reporter: the issue remained, what did the companies know about the problems with the, aand when did they know it? takata's vice president of quality assurance, surrounded by cameras after, but says nothing. victims like stephanie erdman hope the start of today's senate probe means being one step closer to getting all vehicles with potentially deadly air bags off the road. >> my vision will never be the same. i will never be the same. >> this monday, honda must hand over critical documents and answer questions under oath, as a part of federal safety regulators' own investigation. takata will have to do the same next month. fred? >> rene marsh, thanks so much. coming up in the next hour, i'll speak with an auto industry analyst and we'll hear why she thinks more should have been done in this case. and two presidents on immigration reform. obama and bush, in their own words.

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deportation to parents of u.s. citizens and to permanent residents who have been in the country more than five years. he'll also extend the program to undocumented immigrants brought here as children. the gop is slamming the president's tactics, but president george w. bush used similar unilateral action to protect immigrants in similar circumstances. in fact, president obama and bush used nearly the exact same language to make the case for reform. here are their comments, kind of intertwined. >> my fellow americans -- >> i've asked for a few minutes of your time -- >> to talk with you about -- >> the reform of america's immigration system. we must begin by recognizing the problems with our immigration system. >> our immigration system is broken. and everybody knows it. >> once here, illegal immigrants live in the shadows of our shoet. >> remain in the shadows and risk their families being torn

apart. >> we're a nation of laws and we must enforce our laws. >> even as we are a nation of immigrants, we're also a nation. >> we're also a nation of immigrants, and we must uphold that tradition, which has strengthened our country in so many ways. >> for more than 200 years, our tradition of welcoming immigrants from around the world has given us a tremendous advantage over other nations. >> the united states must secure its borders. >> today, we have more agents and technology deployed to secure our southern border than at any time in our history. >> some in this country argue that the solution is to deport every illegal immigrant and that any proposal short of this amounts to amnesty. i disagree. >> but even as we focus on deporting criminals, the fact is, millions of immigrants, in every state and of every race and nationality, still live here illegally. >> tonight, i want to speak directly to members of the house and the senate. an immigration reform bill needs to be comprehensive, because all elements of this problem must be addressed together, or none of them will be solved at all. >> meanwhile, i worked with congress on a comprehensive fix. and last year, 68 democrats,

republicans, and independents came together to pass a bipartisan bill in the senate. >> america needs to conduct this debate on immigration in a reasoned and respectful tone. >> my fellow americans, we are and always will be a nation of immigrants. we were strangers once too. >> we must honor the great american tradition of the melting pot, which has made us one nation out of many peoples. >> as my predecessor, president bush once put it, they are a part of american life. >> all right. joining us now is cnn commentator and nationally syndicated columnist, ruben and rachael. good to see both of you. rachael, you first. strikingly similar language, was what's different here? why is the reception so different for one president versus the other? >> what's interesting, first of all, the scope is bigger here, but more importantly, again we see that that never fixed the system. and i think what hispanics like

myself, who really do want immigration reform to happen, really want is for this to be done the right way. for it to have a durable solution that deals with all of the problems that have created this broken system. >> but, similarlily, haven't both presidents said, this is a territory fix. this isn't the permanent answer. that is where congress will have to get along and get something done. >> exactly. >> but this is the challenge that the president is making that this is just a temporary fix, because going through the traditional challenge -- >> but here's -- >> it hasn't worked. >> but what's interesting is that the way that the president did this, on the heels of a big win for the republicans, doing this extra constitutionally, in the opinion of so many conservatives, is going to make giving that long-term solution, that really comprehensive legislation more difficult. and that's not good for americans. >> let's stop right there. because ruben -- mm-hmm.

ruben, is that the case, that this has only made a difficult road even that much more treacherous? and it's going to be harder for congress to come about, you know, with the cooperation of the president, to come about a more permanent fix? because the president's executive order h >> undermines thinged. is that how you see it. >> that's not how i see it. in fact if you pay attention to the emigration debate it is disingenuous for republicans to blame barack obama for their unwillingness to tack m immigration reform. let me spell it out. the reason republicans avoid this issue, it has nothing to do with barack obama. they've been doing it long before he took office. it divides their constituencies. they don't want a referee that fights an ugly fight. i can't blame them. it's really dishonest for them to blame obama and say we were

so close to doing something and then you came along. they were never going to do it. >> union democrats as well as low income african americans who were really concerned about it. paul ryan, john boehner, the list goes on. marco rubio in the senate, john mccain have wanted immigration reform and things were moving along. yes, there were bumps in the road, especially this summer because of the last executive order that he did that caused the influx of children at the border this summer. may i also add that a couple years ago we were -- republican senator rar kmarco rubio was ve close to finding a legislative solution -- >> what isn't taking it all the way to the finish line?

>> let me jump in if i could. >> let me finish that one. >> let me jump in. rachel is wrong. >> let me let rachel finish. go ahead rachel, finish. and then you can respond. >> i was trying to say that marco rubio was close to getting some movement together for the dreamer. and for political reasons which is what we see the president doing in all of these cases, he pulled the rug out from under him and did an executive a.c. again, not giving hispanics the durability that need that only comes from law making and consensus building from something that important. >> reuben? >> that's a fairy tale. marco rubio talked about helping the dreamers. cay bailey hutchen sson -- marc rubio from stepping forward with

a bill of his on. what did stop him was his own presidential ambitions and the fact that he walked away from his own bill and joined the gang of eight in the senate. talk to lindsay graham. talk -- it's a fairy tale for rachel to spin this -- >> you just admitted that lindsay graham and john mccain wanted to have that happen, two very powerful members of the senate. >> and marco rubio left them hanging. don't spin it this way, rachel. it's a fairy tale. >> no one is going to disagree on what happened. i think america is really concerned about what's next, what's next for americans trying to come up with a more permanent solution if members of both sides are calling this a broken immigration system that america has. i think, we're going to have to have you back again.

and next time we talk, we are going to have to talk about what is happening next. i think that's what people really want to hear as they look into the crystal ball. thank s to both of you appreciae it. >> thanks. up next, the remarkable story of a mother who traveled to a war zone to rescue her daughter from isis. i lost my sight in afghanistan, but it doesn't hold me back. i go through periods where it's hard to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. non-24 is a circadian rhythm disorder that affects up to 70% of people who are totally blind. talk to your doctor about your symptoms and learn more by calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com.

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. a dutch mother is now back home with her daughter. but getting her daughter wasn't easy. the mother had to travel to syria after her daughter married a dutch jihadi, a man who had gone there to fight for isis. >> reporter: for months monique lived in a state of constant worry, looking for ways to get her 19-year-old daughter back from the clutches of isis in syria. out of the blue her daughter reached out to her mother, crying for help. that's when she decide today go on her own last month. her daughter wanted a way out from her marriage to a jihadist husband, who according to dutch media is a dutch jihadist she became infatuated with after seeing him interviewed on

television. last week she travel today isis controlled area of syria, successfully returning with her daughter via turkey. she's now back home where her daughter is being questioned. >> the daughter is taken into custody because of suspicion of aiding criminal activities. and the mother, she's not in custody. she's home, i presume. >> reporter: still, locals seem open to her return. >> we should definitely let her come back into holland. some people say that she shouldn't be allowed back in the netherlands. but i think that's harsh. >> monique is not the first parent to take matter into her own hands. in may of last year after a year

of searching this man traveled to retrieve his son. >> they put the cap on me, they hide me because they suspect me of being a cia. they believe me in the end and let me go. and that same leader he let my son return. >> reporter: according to general gel intelligence and security service of the netherlands, 160 dutch nationals have traveled to syria and iraq to join the conflict. but there could be more roughly 18 have died there and only 30 have returned home. for many families it is a heartbreaking situation. but there is hope and the realizization that getting them back may require the most hazardous of journeys.