other countries through interpol track that. >> we'll stay on top of this story throughout the night. thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. erin burnett "outfront." >> the grand jury's decision on ferguson police officer darren wilson is coming shortly. we are standing by for an announcement. plus, not if he killed michael brown but was michael brown surrendering with his hands up in surrender mode when he was shot? we break down the time line. and indictment or no indictment. what is next for darren wilson? let's go "outfront." >> welcome to our viewers from around the united states and the

world. "outfront," news. the grand jury investigating the shooting death of ferguson teenager michael brown has reached its decision. we go standing by for an announcement from the prosecutor's office. will officer darren wilson be indicted? the grand jury has been considering four possible charges against wilson. first-degree murder, second-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, and involuntary manslaughter. or the fifth option. the nuclear option as far as some protesters say. no charges at all. michael brown's family has been notified that there is a decision. they are done. they have been released. the jury has gone home. michael brown's family asked for a moment of silence. in fact, four and a half minutes of silence to symbolize the four and a half hours that brown's body was left by police to lie a ferguson street. minutes ago, missouri governor jane nixon made an appeal for calm. >> our shared hope and expectation is that regardless of the decision, people on all

sides showed tolerance, mutual respect, and restraint. >> tonight "outfront" is covering every angle of this fast breaking story. don lemon is in ferguson which was the central of the protest we've seen so far. sarah is outside police headquarters. ed lavandera is on the streets where the protesters are starting to gather and evan is in clayton, missouri, a few miles away. that's where the grand jury met. that's where the decision and the prosecutor will make the decision of the charge or no charge. that's where we begin, with everybody. this announce. keeps getting pushed back. why? >> reporter: a lot of people aren't happy that this announcement is being made so laid. we know a lot of conversation between state officials, federal officials and the prosecutor about when to do this. the hope was that this would be

done much earlier in the day. obviously, the later you go, the more chance that these protests could get out of control. that was the fear at least from law enforcement. the prosecutor, the state prosecutor here, not really listening to anyone. it is his decision. he is the one that made the call. he has decide that had this needs to be done now. we know that law enforcement is ready. they've been put on alert around the country because they expect the protests and marches will be taking place in major cities around the country. >> and evan, of course, people may read into this preparation at the last minute what they will in material. whether there has been an indictment or not. you have some new information on darren wilson to show us. >> reporter: that's right. darren wilson has been in talks on resign. depending on what the grand jury has found. and we know from talking to sources in the last few hours, those talks were ongoing. they had hoped to come to an agreement for him to resign at the end of all of this.

the last we heard was that the deal was not done yet. we expect those talks will be continuing. i don't know how to read that. one of the thing he had decided was he didn't want to resign until after the grand jury had done its work. the question was whether or not there would be an indictment. it is hard to read whether, what exactly this signals for the decision from this grand jury. >> and my understanding is the national guardsman has been heading into that building. do you have any explanation as to why? >> that's right. that was part of the plan they would announce that they would bring in the national guard to flekt building behind me. this is where the prosecutor will, is expected to make his announcement. this is where the grand jury is meeting and it is an important public building here in clayton. >> all right. thank you very much. as evan gets more information on this fast breaking story, we'll bring it to you. we need to emphasize, a decision has been made. there are plenty of people had a know about it. there has not yet been a formal announcement as to what it is.

we expect that as we said any time. in the stiff ferguson, tension is building ahead of the announcement. sarah is in ferguson. very shortly, people are going to know the outcome. you've been talking on people. it looks like a lot of people gathering. what have they been saying to you? >> reporter: look, a lot of folk here. about 75 people so far. and i've been here two months watching the crowds come out. this is more than normal as you might imagine. that honking you're hearing, they're asking people to honk and support an indictment. most of the people want to see an indictment. there are people who live here in ferguson and who feel like they just want this to be over. this community has been on pins and needles for months now. we're talking three and a half months since michael brown was shot and killed by officer darren wilson. we have seen the officers come out. they were not wearing their riot gear which is present normal. they come out usually without it. but if they feel that things are

getting more tense, if they feel there is a potential for violence, they go back and put that gear on. i can tell you now that this protest is on the walk and folks are simply chanting. what you will be seeing throughout the night is this crowd going larger and larger. usually by an hour or two from now. it gets quite large. especially now. especially because people are going to gather here when they hear the decision we have also seen michael brown's father. michael brown senior drive past and have a quick word with the protesters and then drive on. >> sarah, thank you very much. and now, darrell parks, an attorney, and our political commentator, van jones. let me start with you. i know the family told you they were upset that they tlernld grand jury had reached a decision from cnn. not the district attorney. do they know at this time whether he was indicted or not? >> they do not know.

all they know is what you know. that there will be an announcement later today. that's all they were told. that was by a phone call to attorney gray's office there in clayton, missouri. >> and darrell, in terms of your understanding, they anticipated they will be told before the general public, right? >> we haven't been promised that. and i think it is important here that you know that normally, you would have a victim's advocate from the prosecutor's office who would have guided them through process and given them more information before the general public and the press. but we haven't had that in this case. my clients have expressed to us time and time again that they felt they have not been treated right through this process. and so hopefully, that will change and would at least give them an indictment. so we still remain very hopeful. they're praying for the best. they refuse to look at the

negative. this guy will not be held, they will not get an indictment. they continue to believe there will be an indictment in this case. >> let me remind our viewers. there are 12 members of this jury. the decision must be nine members or more. it is not a simple majority. seven men, five we have. three are black, nine are white. obviously race is an important part of this case. this grand jury understands the international significance of this case. >> without question. >> do you expect unanimity on indictment or not? is it possible they don't indict and it is on racial lines? >> it could be. i'm hopeful not. i think the knowledge gras will look at and it they're trying to spend some time trying to become unanimous them want to show a concerted front. whether it is an indictment or no true bill. i know they understand that locally, nationally, internationally, everybody will look at this, analyze and it maybe critique it.

>> so the unanimity could be so important. the grand jury could discuss this. they didn't make this decision so quickly. they were able to talk the whole time. 97 days. i know you support an indictment. do you think the quickness, this is a sign of an indictment is likely or not? >> it is very hard to know. i will say this. first of all, everybody's hearts have to be with the familiar live mike brown, i cannot imagine being a father, being a mother. you think we're on pins and needles. imagine what they're going through. the fact that they have not been given just the courtesy that any victim would get. it is a shame. just horrible mistreatment of this family. everybody who knows about what's going on is outraged about that. i want to say with regard to the grand jury. it is not just mike brown that's on trial or darren wilson.

the whole system is on trial. this grand jury has been hand in the worst possible way. a data dump, massive amounts of information. more than usual but with less guidance than i've ever seen from a prosecutor. if the prosecutor does not prosecute. an indictment is not possible. what we're seeing right now, i believe the first steps of what would be seen by a lot of people as a massive miscarriage. justice because the prosecutor did not do his job and prosecute in front of the grand jury. >> of course, the prosecutor, his view is he tried to present every single piece of information. he didn't want anything would be said to be withheld. >> that is not normal. the normal thing is you give enough information for a charge and then you give guidance. you don't do a data dump and no guidance. this is a complete miscarriage of justice. >> if there is no indictment, will the family accept that? >> no, no, not at all. they know who killed their child. they've heard from the witnesses as to how and the manner in

which michael brown jr. was killed. there's no reason to semia grand jury that hasn't been properly instructed. i have to agree with van. without question, to do a data dump and to not give direction to this grand jury is not the way to prosecute a case like this. the traditional way that it is done, you present enough evidence that gives the indictment. basic. a very low threshold. then act in a manner in which you indicate to the grand jury that you wanted an indictment. to almost seem neutral in the process which they have led to us believe that he has done at this point would not right. so we are hopeful that they will come back with an indictment. >> before we go. you disagree. >> i disagree. although it was done in a unique way. the fact that it will be completely transparent. we will see the transcripts will inls late the process. we get to look at i. >> thanks to all of you. >> next the key question. it does come down to this. was michael brown charging

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and don lemon is "outfront." to that point, businesses closing early, a grand jury decision though as far as we know came out early today. in the middle of the day at least. yet they're not going to announce it until well after dark. if they don't want violence, do you have any sense as to why the delay on this announcement in. >> well, to most people, it doesn't really make any sense. unless the officer is going to be indicted. then you don't give female build-up to be able to gather and the cover of darkness. if the announcement had come earlier in the day, most people were at work and a lot of people aren't at work this week because it is a holiday week. you know, the possibility of violence may not have been so much. not that we're assuming there will be violence. i think jeffrey toobin raise ad good point. many legal analysts i've spoken to. if you are indeed not going to

indict this officer to wait this amount of time, it doesn't really make any sense. >> no. it doesn't. i guess could you make the argument, if they had announced it earlier, people would have had more time to gather. you've been out there a long time, multiple times, you were out there during the initial protests. do you have any sense from what they were doing when they had the national guard coming in. they had the emergency announcement. does any of that lead you to think which way they may be going? >> i'm not going to speculate. i will tell you the people have been saying that i've been speaking to in the community. all you, just look at what has happened over the last few hours. so there's going to be an announ announcement. you have the highest official in the state coming out with the safety emergency person saying, we don't want violence. and if you sort of look at what's happening, it would leave you in one direction. police don't want violence.

we'll give everyone the chance to protest. so you know, most people here are under the assumption that the officer is not going to be indicted. and i think they made up their mind today that could not happen. i don't want to speculate. they started to make up their mind. >> don lemon, thank you very much. we'll be checking back in. this announce. is coming. we are awaiting it at any time and also, whether news of it come ahead of the formal announcement. tensions have been rising in ferguson for more than three months. that's when michael brown was shot by officer darren wilson. that fact is not in dispute. tonight a look at what happened that day. all right. we're having an issue with that. when we get that, we'll bring it to you. i want to bring in our analyst.

the oefrls knows darren wilson. and wls me is paul, our legal analyst. good to have all of you with us. look. here's the bottom line. there are different versions of what happened that night. i want to play for you a quick clip to give everyone a sense that this is by no means a clear cut situation when you look at the witnesses. let me play that for you. >> yeah. that's what they said. >> michael just bum rushes him. just shoves him in the car. punches him in the face and then of course, darren grabs for his gun. michael grabs a gun. >> puts his hands in and he starts to get done. he fires several more shots. and my friend died. >> the kid body jerked. as if he was hit from behind. he turned around and he puts his

hands up like this. the cop continued to fire. he just dropped to the ground. >> being come plinlt and still got shot down like a dog. >> when you hear all those accounts, most all of those support the view that he had his hands up in the air in surrender. do you think it is possible here? that something horribly, horribly wrong happened? >> i think it is possible that michael brown put his hands in the air briefly. i don't think the friends sxiks the ballistics and the physical evidence that we know, i don't claim to know everything. none of us do. i don't think that supports the claim that are being made. >> what is your view of the fact that you know, most of those that we just played did support that he was putting his arms up in the air. there was no reason to have shot him. yet at the same time, according

to the "washington post," more than half a dozen black eyewitnesses testified in front of the grand jury with testimony that was skin with officer wilson's side of the story. >> you know, the bottom line is the "washington post" may be reporting that but we haven't heard that. what i have heard is what you just played. so many of the witnesses that have been public, that have been on camera, that have immediately recounted what they believe they saw was michael brown with his hands up. and i think what we need to remember is the standard that's in front of the grand jury. it is one of probable cause. it is not beyond a reasonable doubt. it means a crime probably was committed. when you have so many different versions of events and you have a group of witnesses that are pretty much saying the same thing, that to me swings the balance toward an indictment. so i'm surprised so many people are suggesting there will not be an indictment. as you see, i'm out here in

ferguson and people are really talking about it. everyone is pretty tense and waiting for the decision. >> we heard the horn as people are gathering. we heard 75 plus people already. to this crucial question that sunny raises, people couldn't believe there would not be an indictment. why the delay? first, i think it is incredible they could keep this away from the media for many hours. they've had a decision since noon. we do not know what it is. what does the fact that they have delayed so long mean to you? they have waited until it is dark. >> well, first of all, it is very, very unusual. usually you get the decisions right away. it is handed up to a judge and then announced publicly as to what the indictment is. or a warrant is issued and he is picked up. so i hesitate to go out on a limb and say to me it suggests they're trying to move security forces into place. because they anticipate a bad

crowd reaction in the streets. originally we had a press scheduled for 8:00. now it's been moved to 9:00. why would you be moving it another hour? i think the only reason can be that they don't have their security forces in place. >> so you think no indictment. >> well, any sort of indictment on a lesser charge could lead the a bad result. >> we should be clear to our viewers, there are many charges. first-degree murder is one of them. they go all the way back to involuntary manslaughter which would still carry up to seven years in jail. it could cause a lot of anger. do you think there's the possibility that there are peaceful protests? or do you think people are being too judgmental and frankly racist by assuming there will be violence in ferguson if there is not an indictment? >> well, i'm certainly not a racist and i expect violence.

this talk about the timing of the announcement being a precursor to violence. now that we know had the announcement will be is pretty disingenuous. we heard the narrative all throughout the protests. where there are attempts to murder every night. the fact that there are peaceful protesters among the violent protesters doesn't make it peaceful. these have been violent protests. and i hope for the best but i fear the worst. >> how bad do you think it will be if there is violence? how bad is that for the community in ferguson? for the african-american community in ferguson? >> reporter: no one wants violence. civil disobedience is very american. it has been around a long time. it is our constitutional right as americans to protest

decisions and governmental actions that we disagree with. so you know, hopefully, if there are protests, there will be peaceful protests. let me say this. this happened on august 9th. it has been several months. there have been several months, several days. protests. almost threaten months. protests that have been peaceful. so this suggestion that there has been so much violence and rioting and so much looting around ferguson and in missouri. i think it is really misheeding. the majority of the protests have been peaceful and civil disobedience and peaceful protesting is a constitutional right. >> it is. and i thank very much all of you. we know all of you and all of americans are watching to see what the reaction will be. "outfront," more breaking news. we don't know when we may final out what the grand jury decision is. we are standing by. plus, two men arrested for

trying to obtain guns and bombs to set off during ferguson protests. and whether indicted for murder or completely free to go, what happens to the man you see there? that's officer darren wilson who shot michael brown. we'll be right back.

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welcome back to our viewers in the united states and around the world. we have news. the ferguson grand jury has reached a decision in missouri. we speck an announcement of that decision any moment. at this moment the national guard is securing the prosecutor's office. we know officer darren wilson has been in talks to resignment from police department but they haven't been finalized. the grand jury investigated the shooting death of michael brown. he was shot by police officer darren wilson. we will soon hear if wilson is charged with murder, something less or absolutely nothing at all. evan is live in clayton, mes ms., about ten mile from ferguson. and national guard has entered the building behind you. we've been talking about the preparations about, the delay after delay in the announcement of this decision. what can you tell us?

>> reporter: yes, erin, in the last half-hour or so we saw the national guardsmen go into this building which is where the prosecutor's office is housed. we know that they've gone to secure some other buildings in the county. important don't buildings. the governor activated the national guard almost a week ago and declared a state of emergency. until today, they have really been out of sight. they had not been visible at all. now they're very visible. we saw them go into this building. we know that law enforcement around the country has been scrambling to get ready. a lot of people were expecting some notice from this prosecutor before an announcement. in the end they didn't get very much of that. he was not very communicative about what his plans were. they've had a few hours to make sure everything was in place and get ready for what they expect to be demonstrations. not only here but also in chicago and new york and elsewhere go around the country

and in ferguson as well. >> all right. evan perez, thank you very much. as evan gets more information outside where the grand jury made its decision, the prosecution, right now i want to bring in the president of the st. louis association. gabe, good to have you with us. is there anything you can tell us about your understanding of why this has been delayed and delayed? >> reporter: well, i can only imagine the am of logistical issues that our prosecuting attorney is dealing with. so i don't think it is anything intentional. i don't think we should read anything into it. just like the night before christmas. we all get a little excited. we get a little impatient. so on and so forth. i'm absolutely sure there's nothing behind this, other than just logistical issues and making sure that the ts are crossed and the is are dotted. >> today we saw a car emblazoned with the words, no justice, no

peace. we the people, no justice no, peace. do you expect violence? >> well, you know, i would like to say that i don't expect violence. the law enforcement command here in the st. louis region is certainly prepared for some level of violence. i think just like anybody else watching your program right now go, in the united states or around the world, wouldn't it be great if the situation didn't escalate to violence? but it is certainly possible that it can. and i just wish it wouldn't. we're prepared for it if it does. >> to the point you're making that you're prepared for it, there were reports there were two men soeshld with the new black panther party. allegedly with the intend of using explosives in ferguson. do you know anything more about that and whether there is concern about others who may have prepared more successfully to do the same? >> reporter: well, what i can tell you is this. that's not protesting.

i'll be very, very clear. that's domestic terrorism. when you plant bombs and you do those things, that's not protesting. that's terrorism. we don't want to stand for that obviously. does the possibility exist that someone else has done something successful and may have a bomb or may be planning something tom degree? certainly. that's something we're prepared for and we have bomb disposal units. we have everybody at the ready. but again, there's no, i don't personally have knowledge that there's anything like that taking place. and i certainly hope not. >> you're saying you don't have any indication what the decision might be, even though as there have been delays, there have been more and more announcements about police presence? >> reporter: i can tell you 100% i have no idea what the grand jury's decision is. and of course, after that, the decision, that's when my role and the roles of other law

enforcement people in st. louis are going to take effect. and of course it is going on from right now with your live footage you have going on. >> gabe crocker, thank you vex for your time. and as he is mentioning, let me show it to you. darkness has fallen. we've been talking about this. a grand jury decision since the middle of the day has not been announced. so during that time, a lot of businesses announced they would close early. what we have now is darkness in ferguson, missouri. we have crowds of protesters gathering. in one location, one of our reporters has gone from 75 to 100 plus people gathered. van jones is in ferguson and he is back with me now. you've been in ferguson three time during this crisis. what is the mood tonight? >> reporter: the mood is earlier today, people were very depress asked feeling very anxious. now people are beginning to get concerned about the way the family is being treated them don't understand why this family, any crime victim by now,

you would have had some outreach to the family. they've heard nothing. that is not a good sign in terms of the level of disrespect. also again, people who have not pen paying attention need to remember. there were many opportunities to have a much more fair process. the governor could send in a special prosecutor. he did not. the prosecutor could have filed charges. he did not. he could have had a normal grand jury where he told the grand jury how he wanted to go forward. he did not. he had a hands-on approach. all of these things have create a lack of confidence in the process. so now you have people beginning to guard themselves for what they believe will be a massive miscarriage of justice. and they're concerned that the way this family is being treated. >> and for the viewers just joining us, with the flame at least has -- the family has told us, they found out there was a decision from cnn. they did not find it out from the prosecutor. that's what van is referring to

at this time. >> reporter: and i can't tell you, this family is being held very closely by people who carry about these issues and this kid. for the family to be sitting there, just treated like everybody else. a crime victim. no matter what. somebody died. ordinarily the police would be reaching out to this family. they would be saying, here's what's going on. that is not happening. a massive disrespect to this family. >> i have to ask you. there are 12 members of this jury. they need nine as a majority. what if it is unanimous to not indict. you have nine whites, three blacks. they all agree don't indict. would that mean there's less violence? >> reporter: first of all, you keep saying there will be violence. there has been no violence for many, many days. ordinarily a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor wants that. in this case the prosecutor has not prosecuted. so if you dump that on people and ask them what they think, that is not a fair process.

i don't care if the entire jury is african-american. this is a situation where you have the majority white grand jury that has been treated in a way none has ever been treated. no indictment means this whole process has been flawed from the beginning. >> thank you very much. breaking news. we are expecting that announcement on the ferguson grand jury decision. and darren wilson has not been publicly seen since the shooting. we are learning what did he. he got married for one. what else? as we await this announcement, why are officials making this in the dark of night? why so late? she's still the one for you. and cialis for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment is right. cialis is also the only daily ed tablet approved

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indicted. but we don't yet have the formal decision yet. what are you learning? >> reporter: we think that hoinks what will be announced tonight. how all of that will play out. the officer like darren wilson will be back on the streets. it is hard to imagine to see him patrolling. we've seen him oddly enough that darren wilson was married late last month. we knew that he had a girlfriend. he had been living with in a town not too far away in ferguson. we learned today that he was married by a municipal judge in a town nearby ferguson. that he was recently married. his new wife, this is his second marriage. his new wife hams to be a police officer with the ferguson police department as well. >> which is pretty amazing. we know she is a few years older, we know he's been married

before but nothing more at this point. right in. >> reporter: no. not much. as much as we have not seen darren wilson since the shooting has taken place, his new wife was obviously not been seen or heard from as well. >> all right. thank you very much. ed live in ferguson as well. let's talk about what happens for officer wilson. you've dealt with this with george zimmerman. first hand. so let's just start with, if he is indicted. would he have to turn himself in right away? would he possibly already be in custody? >> he might be. he has to turn himself in right away. he has to be raenld. he has to go to a bond hearing where the judge can determine whether or not he gets out pending the trial. and that trial can be a year, a year and a half away. >> would they have done all of this? the decision was made as we know, hours ago. seven or eight hours ago. they haven't announced it yet. >> i would imagine if there was an indictment, they may have had to reex out to the defense team

say he's been indicted. bring him in to be certain of his safety. >> the family hasn't heard anything. >> surprising and they should know soon. out of respect they should know before the public finds out. >> we should hope so. what would happen if there is no charge? we can the brown family will not accept that. then what happens to darren wilson? >> he'll get sued i would imagine, for wrongful death and the police department will be will have get sued. what will he do with his life? he will never be a law enforcement officer again. taking a life in and of itself might lead you away from law enforcement. >> you represented george zimmerman. george zimmerman, you got a not guilty. george zimmerman's life has not been good since then. no. it hasn't. >> what would it be like for officer wilson? he can never be in law enforcement again. he is now married to a woman who will likely not be able to keep her job. >> george zimmerman, the way he hand what happened, it really affected him. he was damaged goods in that

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joining me is a democratic committeewoman for ferguson township. i appreciate you taking the time to be with me tonight, committeewoman. if there is no indictment, you just heard one of the police officers union representatives saying, yeah, sure, there's going to be violence. what do you think? >> i think it's sad that there's this expectation of violence. i don't expect violence. while we should be prepared, it's not something that should be expected. that's crazy. >> right. and we all, of course, hope there will not be. i know they've taken, as you point out, every precaution in the hopes this will be peaceful. what do you make of the delay today? you know you've been waiting all day an announcement of what this might be. the grand jury reached its decision seven, eight hours ago, at least as far as we know. and we still have not yet heard what it is.

>> well, it does seem a little odd. you know, i don't know what's going on behind the scene, but i will say in preparing for this announcement, you have to make sure that everything is in place. so while i'm not an expert in public safety, i'm sure that upon knowing there's been an announcement, there had to be moves made in place, national guard put in certain positions, officers, law enforcement at all levels that are here in st. louis have to be in place and prepared. so give enough time for that precaution. >> doipt know if you can see this, but our viewers are now seeing protesters with their armed linked blocking an intersection, sort of standing in a human chain, some with arms linked, some just standing there, but blocking an intersection. during the august protest, the whole world saw police in riot gear, tanks, rifles pointed at protesters, there was tear gas. do you think we could see scenes like this again? >> what you saw in august was

militarization and police violence. hopefully, with everything that we as an entire world have learned, we should see a lot of those images again. we should be working on de-escalation, which means communication, which means not bringing out the riot gear and the batons and the tear gas and the s.w.a.t. teams as a first response. we should not see that again. >> and, and, and do you believe there will be an indictment? do you believe that's the right thing for the community? >> what i'm expecting is for justice to be done. and when we ask about is there an indictment, we wonder is there a troen take this to trial. i think that we've seen enough with leaked information, details that don't seem to be consistent in the police report to maybe warrant that there should be an indictment. but history lets us know that there won't be and we're fighting against history. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time very much. as we're looking at those live

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welcome back to our breaking news coverage. you're looking at live pictures right now in ferguson, missouri, as protesters are gathering. we're moments away from an announcement of the grand jury decision whether to indict

officer darren wilson for the murder of unarmed teen michael brown. officer wilson white, michael brown black. at this hour, with the national guard moving around the prosecutor's office to secure it ahead of the announcement mainly leads you to think there's no indictment. but we have nothing to indicate that or anything else. no information. want to bring in a former defense attorney and prosecutor. everyone reading into this their interpretation, there's a delay so there's no indictment. yet the world does not know the decision. >> i don't agree with you on that, that hundreds of people know the decision. because remember, this grand jury was criticized because there were leaks not that long ago. and by the way -- >> yeah. >> if a grand jury leaks information, that's a crime. they can go to jail for that. so i'm betting -- >> you think they can't even tell their spouse or child. >> well, no, i'm betting the hammer came down on this and

everybody was warned, you say anything and there's going to be a criminal investigation. so i'm thinking the grand jurors probably wouldn't have leaked it. other people might have. >> there's a lot of other people who know but they are afraid. so, but this whole issue, dan jones has been talking about that the family's very upset, the prosecutor, they say all this information to the grand jury, too much information. the prosecutor says he did that so they but

i'll tell you something, they almost never reveal what the vote split is in grand jury determinations. >> paul callen, thank you very much. as we await this decision mom t moments away, let's hand it off to anderson. >> good evening. it is 7:00 p.m. here in ferguson, missouri, less than an hour away from what could be a very big moment. we're at a police staging area up the road from the area that drew nationwide attention in the kill of michael brown. the largest right now looks to be outside the ferguson police department. all the gatherings have so far been peaceful. most everyone here is hoping it stays that way about an hour from now. in just about an hour we do expect to learn the grand jury's decision on criminal charges, if any, against ferguson police officer darren wilson who fired those deadly shots during that confrontation with brown. now, the 12