suzanne malveaux. don't expect headlines in ferguson, missouri to fade any time soon. a demonstration last night resulted in 16 arrests, including one for assaulting a police officer. police say of those arrested, only one was from the state. nine from new york, three from illinois, two from california and one from iowa. a week-long protest march organized by the naacp is about to begin. this is called journey for justice. the march is going to take protesters from ferguson to the state capitol, about 135 miles. by next friday, organizers expect to rally outside the governor's mansion in jefferson city. now the primary goal of the march is to demand a change in leadership at the ferguson police department. and for improved relations around the country. ed is joining us here.

there was a service at the st. louis church a short while ago. what was behind this message? >> reporter: well, the organizers are trying to tap in, one of the things, trying to tap into the civil rights movement of the 1960s with the march, reminiscent of the marches between selma and montgomery. they are tapping into that history of the civil rights movement. as you mentioned off the top, calling attention to changes in policing developing better contact between the black community and police forces not only specifically here in ferguson but communities across the country. we're here on canfield, the memorial site where michael brown was shot and killed by police officer darren wilson back in august. it has become a gathering spot. it will be the launching point for the naacp sponsored martha should begin at any moment.

they have been making their way. they will make their way out to west florisan, where the more destructive rioting and looting has taken place. that is a place where they want to march on. what we have heard a lot today, suzanne, a large group of motorcycle riders came through and they are driving around the city. you mentioned the 16 arrests from last night. only one of those people from the state of missouri. and the message from a lot of the motorcycle riders is anger and frustration with what they believe is once again a lot of people coming from outside of the area and causing a lot of the problems, instigating a lot of confrontations with police officers and national guard soldiers deployed to protect government buildings, city buildings and businesses as well. but, you know, the the organizers of this march, as soon as it gets started here in a short while, really want the images of these peaceful nonviolent protests, the

marching people coming together to overtake the violent and the -- the violent images and instigating images you see between some protesters and the police force here in ferguson. and they hope what they unfold over the course of the next seven years will go toward doing that. >> people are trying to take advantage of the window of opportunity, around the country, even around the world, to give that message what to do next about this issue between the police and the community particularly with black men. thank you so much. really appreciate it. moving on to pope francis. he is reaching out to muslims during his three-day trip to turkey. he toured two religious sites, including a 17th century mosque. it comes amid heightened tensions between muslims and christians. he is associate editor.

it is a site covering the catholic church. thanks for joining us today. give us the significance of the visit, why is this so important at this time? >> hi, suzanne. you have to divide the significance into two. yesterday, day one of the trip, was really directed at turkey and through turkey to the entire muslim world. the pope's message was one of dialogue and friendship. he wanted to press on religious freedom. the protection of religious minorities across the middle east. including in a particular way the beleaguered christian minority in this part of the world. the divided christian family back together. and eastern orthodox trying to heal eastern and western christianity back to 1054. tonight the pope led a joint

prayer service with bartholomew of constantinople. they will put out a joint declaration for closer ties. basically the significance here, suzanne, is at one level trying to come to a meeting of minds with mainstream islamic leaders and the fight against religious extremism. and another level trying to put the divided christian house back in order. >> john, let's talk about visiting turkey specifically. it was back in 2006 that pope benedict visited the same mosque. and the vatican said he was meditating there. he did not pray. and the same is going for pope francis this time. tell us the the clarification between meditating and praying. what is the significance? >> well, i think this may be an object lesson in vatican spin

and what actually happened. i was there in 2006. and at the time, of course what happened is the pope, they paused and boughed their hands in front of the niche in every mosque that faces the direction of mecca. the vatican tried to spin that as a moment of reflection. they are allergic to using prayer. but they said thank you for this moment of prayer. if the pope is using the "p" word, calling it prayer, i think we are licensed to call it prayer. >> good point there, john. appreciate it. have a good holiday. egypt's former ruler could soon be a freeman. that's right. former president hosni mubarak was cleared in a retrial of charges linking him to the deaths of hundreds of protesters. this you'll recall back in 2011.

so you heard it there. mubarak supporters cheering after a judge dismissed the charges stemming from the revolution that toppled him from power. the 86-year-old who ruled egypt for 29 years was convicted in 2012. mubarak's two sons were also acquitted. it is still unclear when mubarak could be released. he is serving a three-year sentence for a separate conviction on embezzlement >> did michael brown's stepfather in cite a riot? some are saying he did. we want you to be the judge when he yelled at protesters this week >> and then another case provoking sharp debate this week. an arbitrator decided ray rice can play football again. but should he? i video of him hitting his then fiancee is leading to his exile

from the nfl? a team could bring him back. does he deserve a second chance? a pam of contributors debating up ahead.

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for six days, we have watched as people take to the streets in ferguson and around the country to protest the grand jury decision not to indict officer darren wilson in the killing of michael brown. amid those demonstrations, there were several events that actually stood out among the rest. i'm going to bring in our clinicalan list. it was just moments after the grand jury made their announcement. and it shows brown's mother breaking down, understandably of course, and speaking to crowds that gathered outside the police station. now, despite calling for peace in the the months leading up to this grand jury announcement, the stepfather spoke up with a

different announce. i want to get your take on the other side. i ain't never had to go through nothing like this. don't none of y'all know me, but i don't do nothing to nobody. anybody say so, they're a liar. they're a damn liar. [ bleep ].

>> this is somebody's son. that was somebody's son. y'all murdered her [ bleep ] son. burn the [ bleep ] down. burn this [ bleep ] down. >> okay. so we have watched this. you heard those words. and they are calling for brown's stepfather to be arrested and charged with in citing a riot. they said they were raging. they spoke out of anger. there was so much frustration. jeff, can you break this down for us? i can't imagine what it would be like to lose a child and feel like justice was not served here. but does the stepfather have a responsibility for what he said in that crowd afterwards? >> i think anyone in that kind of a situation certainly has a responsibility knowing that it is a tinder box.

even though it's a stepson, this is his son. and so we see that this was at a fever pitch, this verdict had just come back. people were surrounding them. people were very, very upset. and i think both his stepdad and his mom do feel a lot of guilt about this right now. and they know it was not the right thing to do. buff when you lose your son and in this kind of a circumstance. believe me, suzanne, this goes beyond michael brown. this goes around issues of police realizes and institutional racism that has been going on for years and years. so i think all of this just came to a fever pitch. and i think it's regrettable that it happened. but it did the happen. and i hope it doesn't happen again. >> jeff, when you look at this in hindsight, do you think there should have been some consideration for whether or not they should have been in the crowd in the first place? if there could have been a quiet

place. because this we all knew was going to be very emotional, that it would be very confrontational and the people at the center of this feeling this the most were those parents. >> you're absolutely correct. they should have been debriefed. they should have been in a private space, a place where they could talk to someone instead of being in the center of the crowd, in the epicenter, the ground zero where emotions were running so high. several days we know michael brown's mother said we don't want rioting. this is not the way to get the message in order to bring us all together as blacks, whites, others. this is what we need to continue to do into the future, to get people to the talk to one another. again, i would say what they said, yes, it was irresponsible. but it was absolutely understandable the brief and the rage that they had. >> and let's talk about incident number two. because this really goes to what we saw in the aftermath. ferguson up in front.

rioters were looting, burning down businesses. if you look at some of the people that were inside the community doing this, there has been and we know a deep-seeded distrust between ferguson and the community. give us a accepts of what you think was going on in the minds of those who were burning down their own neighborhood, come in some ways doesn't make sense when you think about the destruction of your own people, community and businesses the next day. >> well, one word for that and it's rage. and when we have rage, when we're not in control of our emotions we make some of the most regrettable decisions. we do some of the most stupid and instruct active things. that's what we saw happening here. take a situation, suzanne, where, for example, a major athletic team wins a world championship. what do people do? they start rioting. they start burning things down. they start burning down businesses. it's because they're not in

charge of their emotions. does it make it right? absolutely it does not. however, i think we need to learn from these situations that when something is so explosive, when it's so emotional, we must take the time, as you said, to debrief, to talk to one another. because at the end of the day, even though we see that this rioting is -- we see that it's wrong. it does happen. and we have to minimize that. we're not getting the message out as far as in equality by doing this. all we're doing, if nothing else, is making the situation much worse. all the civil rights leaders have come out and said this rioting is absolutely wrong. we must learn nonviolent ways to be able to get the message so the memory of michael brown and others who unfortunately have died can be given in a more constructive manner. we have to talk about race. we have to talk about in equality. burning down properties is not the way to do it.

>> yeah. certainly you're right about that, jeff. we want to get your take on the darren wilson interview. he spoke at length about michael brown's strength. a lot of people found that interesting. and he also spoke about how he was afraid that he could have been killed. here are photos of brown's injuries. that's actually wilson's injuries. we're going to talk about that next. to the next level. i meanf you're into that kinda thing. yeah, if you're into that kinda thing... watch out for that enemy turret, koshka! i got it, glaive! alright, now let's destroy the vain crystal! wait, i'm going to upgrade from barbed needle to serpent mask. i'm going to buy some minion candy too. don't forget an eclipse prism. why would i want an eclipse prism in a situation like this? stop playing like a noob, glaive. oh... really koshka? like the time you took on adagio with nothing but some journey boots and a scout trap? i knew you were going to bring that up! ♪ what you're doing now, janice. blogging. your blog is just pictures of you in the mirror. it's called a fashion blog, todd. well, i've been helping people save money with progressive's discounts.

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>> yes. . there was swinging, grabbing, pulling, for about 10 seconds. >> and then what? >> i reached out the window to grab on to his forearm. i was going to move him back. i just felt the immense power that he had. and the way i described it like a 5-year-old holding on to hulk hogan. >> hulk hogan. >> he was very large, very powerful man. >> you're a pretty big guy. >> yeah. i'm above average. >> you tried to grab him but you feel that force. >> as i'm holding him, i see him coming back with his left hand. it's in a shape like this. it came through the window and a solid punch to my face. >> and you're sitting there figuring how to get out of this. >> how to survive. i didn't know if i would be able to withstand another hit like that. >> i have a number of questions on this. do you think he is giving an honest account of what happened or something that his attorneys

said would be appropriate to describe? >> well, it's very hard to tell. i'm sure his attorneys told him where to go and where to stay away from. but just looking at his body language, the tone of his voice, the affect seems to be steady all the way through. i watched several interviews and watched them several times. in his mind i would give him the benefit of the doubt that, yes, he was very much afraid and perhaps was not in control of the situation the way he needed to be. now, we have to start looking at, well, did that have something to do with his training? did it have something to do with programs the way that he viewed this individual? perhaps. and i don't know. i wasn't in his head. perhaps in a way that was exacerbated in a way that he probably might not have looked at someone else who may have been from a different background. >> i want to talk a little bit about that. it seems a bit dehumanizing to talk about him in the way of hulk hogan.

he called him demonic or a de n demon. >> as he said, he felt his life was in danger. he was not in control of that situation as a police officer should be. and i'm not criticizing him. again, i wasn't there and i don't have police training. but from what i'm hearing he was afraid for his life. the question becomes did he have reason to believe so afraid for his life instead of trying to subdue the situation and ended up killing someone who was unarmed. >> all right. jeff, we have to leave it there. good to see you as always. >> pleasure. thank you. more fallout from the grand jury decision and the ray rice appeal. was it the right call? we've got four of our top cnn contributors to talk about it. but first we want to talk about this. we are counting down the days until cnn heroes all-star

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hello and welcome. i'm sally cohen. ray rice is now eligible to return to nfl football. and his wife janay is revealing what happened immediately after rice punched her in that casino

elevator last february. jana rice tells nbc today she gave rise the silent treatment. >> i was furious. we came home and we didn't talk the entire ride. well, i didn't speak to him the entire ride home. he tried to talk to me. i didn't want to the hear anything. i just knew he hit me and i was completely over it. i was done. i didn't want to hear anything. i just didn't even want to entertain him, anything he had to say, any explanation. of course in the back of my mind and heart i knew that our relationship wouldn't be over. because i know this isn't us and it's not him. >> so does ray rice deserve a second chance on the football field? does the nfl need to clean house? mel, what do you think? this judge overturned the decision and said the nfl was wrong. >> yeah. >> basically ruled that they punished ray rice twice. >> yeah.

>> they said you can't punish him once and then a second time. >> they said he did not mislead the nfl. >> what was he lying about? >> here's what he was lying about. basically roger goodell claimed he didn't know the extent of that incident that went down in the elevator, which was total baloney. they had the criminal court complaint, they said they had the outside the elevator video and ray rice and his wife and one other nfl personnel met with goodell in june and told him, i hit her. i hit her is what he said. >> so you have the video that we all got to see over and over again showing the true viciousness of it. but that's what domestic violence looks like. i don't know why roger goodell didn't realize that's what domestic violence looks like. >> so you think what happened was the nfl took more severe measures after it became public? >> this is what happened. basically the nfl is in the

business to make mope. they're not in the business to police domestic violence. when they see the elevator video, they the don't suspend him. they wait. they investigate. they give two-game suspension and one paycheck is what he lost. now he's covering his as. goodell called ray rice after august. >> that's right. >> when he came up with the new six-game penalty for a first time domestic violence offense and said, oh, you're going to be fined. goodell is covering his as. >> that's the problem that i had with this all along. we know goodell makes $40 million a year. he's been with the league forever. he's been the teflon commissioner. i don't understand why that is. you bungle something like this and you tell women of the world, domestic violence doesn't matter. it doesn't matter if your husband is seen punching you, knocking you out cold and acting

very casually over your unconscious body. goodell says it's okay. i think goodell needs to lose his job. and quite frankly, i don't think that ray rice gets to play again. >> margaret, what do you think? >> what i thought was very compelling was ray rice's wife's statements, her interview, her testimony. she had a lot of material out there that you can examine. as a woman you can judge whether this looks like repeated domestic violence that happened over and over again and a woman making excuses for herman. we have seen a lot of cases in popular culture. you look at cases like pop star rihanna and her thuggish boyfriend chris brown. you heard it here. >> but chris brown -- i'm not being apologetic for chris brown. isn't one strike enough? he hit her once. chris brown hit rihanna once. we're all outrage thad chris

brown hit rihanna once because we saw her pictures. we saw the video. why is it okay, even if janay is saying it's not okay. >> it is not okay. you want people to reform. by all appearances ray rice has done the work. he has gone to the court mandated program, he and his wife have gone to counseling. he has sobered up. >> it is a privilege, not a right. >> yes. >> there's mel, defense attorney, arguing for forgiveness. it seems a bit annoying you take this into account and the horrible story of the university of virginia rape documented by the "rolling stone" article where the woman is traumatized forever and the guy gets away scott free. at least bill cosby, why do men keep getting away with this crap? anyway, coming up after everything we have seen in ferguson, speaking of injustice, how do we remember michael brown? is he a teen looking forward to

college or was he a trouble maker in the eyes of some people who robbed a convenience store just moments before he was killed? or does it matter. does this conversation have nothing to do with the national protests against police violence? ahead, we will hear what michael brown's parents said so sonny when she interviewed them. stay tuned.

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not only report from ferguson, missouri. she sat down with michael brown's family. what's it like? >> you hate to meet people under those circumstances. but it was interesting because i approached it sort of mother to mother. right? mother to father. and their pain was really palpable. these are grieving parents. what struck me, they are in the public eye. when you're on television, you put yourself there. so you know how to interact with the public. >> they are completely shellshocked. and i got to know a little bit about who they knew their son to be. >> well, you know, the emotion definitely came through. what i loved is it wasn't a soft call interview. what i loved is that you really asked this question. >> so many people in america have seen this surveillance video in the convenience store. and people are saying your son was a punk. your son was a thug.

your son was aggressive. your son was violent. so he must have been aggressive with officer wilson. what do you say to that? >> i say that you cannot judge him off an 18-second video. and we have known him for 18 years. we know better. i say no. you're wrong. you cannot look at one image of a person and present who they are in a whole. because if that's the case, let's look at the side with darren wilson. >> i thought that was a powerful answer. but i'm going to tell the truth. i'm a criminal defense attorney. a public defender who shaw that video and i thought that exact thing. the guy is aggressive. he's a thug. come on, he probably assaulted the officer. sally, help me out with this.

>> there's two responses. so what? what did we see in that 18-second video. what did we see, period. all the worse stuff you could throw at that kid that would justify him being shot by police. maybe arrest him. there are any number of scenarios we could play out and you say, yeah, that was the right response to what the kid did. but shot and killed that many times on the street? that is response number one. response number two is we know in our country we judge people differently based on race. studies where we show computer generated images except they are different by race. the black face they say oh, they're aggressive, menacing, they're bad. we would explain it away if it were a white kid. we just would. >> i guess what i'm hearing you say is, i saw the video and i

thought if he act thad way towards a store clerk, he probably acted in an aggressive way towards the the officer. you're saying that to yourself because of the color of his skin. >> that's what this is about. this is about the question nationally is, is there systemic injustice, inadvertently, explicitly against a white kid in that position versus a black kid in that position. we know that's what's driving this conversation regardless of the facts of the case, regardless of the facts of the trial. that is what inspired these protests not only in ferguson new york city and cities around the country. >> our president said it best. people of color, communities of color are not making this up. these are real issues we have with law enforcement. you both have boys. they're gorgeous. i have met them. they're wonderful. i have a boy. i think he's gorgeous.

the bottom line is if he is walking down the street doing the same thing your boys are doing, he is going to arouse suspicion in a different way. it just is what it is. the question is, what do we do about that? i saw the video too. that's why i asked the parents the question. >> the 12-year-old boy, 12-year-old little black boy was killed this past week in cleveland. 12-year-old boy playing with a toy gun. police rolled up and shot him. you know what they are doing now in cleveland, the news media in cleveland are digging into the back ground of his parents and saying, oh, look, was there this or that. they are smearing the parents. and saying what would justify them being the kind of parents who would let a kid play with a gun, toy gun. 12-year-old boys all over the country play with a toy gun. when they're white, they don't get shot. >> blame the victim, smear the family. that is something we haven't talked about. why was that video leaked.

>> the michael brown video. >> it was leaked by police. they revealed they are the ones that released it. well, they wanted to the frame the conversation, they wanted to sort of change the narrative instead of victim this was an aggressive kid. i've got to tell you, looking at my twitter feed, being in ferguson, speaking to so many people, everyone said there's a real problem in the black community with how the community is being pleased. but this is not the story to discuss it because this kid was a thug. and that is -- >> there's nothing this kid, michael brown, could have done to just -- short of actually -- in other words, nothing in his behavior beforehand. it's not nothing. i shouldn't say that. >> they're saying he deserved not to get shot. >> people who are. >> that's what most people saying that. they were saying, look, if she were prosecuting the case she would have a harder time

defending them. >> the presumption is he's an aggressive kid because of that. >> i see patterns where we explain away the bad behavior of a white kid. they will do anything they can to con true the behavior. whereas we systematically, one black kid's less an ideal behavior we group it all together. when the police crack down, people don't say that's justified because of the watts riots in '92. really? we're lumping it altogether. >> this is what we're going to talk about when we come back. we'll talk about what we are learning from this, what is the right way to have a national conversation about this and what can we take away from this. so we'll be right back. stay with us when we come back.

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welcome back, i'm margaret hoover and i'm here with sunny, mel, and sally and we're talking about ferguson and we're talking about how police treat black and white men differently. and you wrote a column what, white people need to do and know after ferguson" here's what i thought was a key part of it. black communities are ultimately protesting systems of injustice

and inequality that structural help white people while systematically harming black people. just because you're white and therefore generally benefit from those systems doesn't mean that you inherently support those systems. or need to defend them. >> for that they call me a racist. >> that's what i get called now. >> it's nicer than what i get called. >> conservatives often get backed into a corner feeling they need to defend the systems actually than taking responsibility and figuring out how to fix them. we've been talking about having a national conversation. let's be concrete what does a national conversation entail? what is it going to look like? does it mean that paul ryan who is the new head of the ways and means committee in congress should have hearings on this? you know, paul ryan has been going to inner cities talking about, you know, injustices and inequalities. what does it really look like? do republicans need to take the lead? should there be legislations and

commissions? does the president need to speak more about it? >> yes, yes. >> we grandiosly talk about a national conversation what actually should happen? >> well, i personally think that since we live in a day and age where you have to see the punch of ray rice to actually do something about it, that i love the idea of the michael brown law and having police officers wearing body cameras. that's something that's immediately actionable. i think people would be shocked both to see what police are confronted with every single day in terms of what they face but also it would give you a sense that you have that kind of evidence that's really important. i focus on that because i'm very troubled by the tamara rice shooting and here you have a 12-year-old kid that was shot and it's going to a grand jury for review. i like the michael brown law a lot and i would love to see a different type of system for investigating police shootings. that's what i would like to see. >> you know, i'm troubled by what we're seeing over and over

again from trayvon martin's death to jordan davis' death to now to michael brown's death. i think it starts with the national conversation. what's been very troubling to me whenever i talk about race, i'm sure sally ha the same experience, i'm called either a race batiter or a racist. we need to start being able to honestly talk about race. >> how should we do that? >> maybe it's a study. if you look at sta statistics in 2010 the u.s. attorney's office brought 162,000 cases to the grand jury, of those only 11 of them didn't get indicted. so, now you're talking about less than 1%. so, when you look at that stat, that tells me, wow, what was so special about michael brown's case? so, when you talk about the stats and you have the studies to support the discussion, i think that is very helpful, so

do we study, you know, officer-involved shootings of black people. yes. fbi does that right now, but guess whats were all of the police departments self-report so it's basically based on the honor system so the numbers just don't coincide with reality. i think we need to start by gathering statistics to support the real conversations that we need to have. >> sally, what does a national conversation look like to you? >> yes to everything sunny and mel said. i completely agree. look, to me it's more shtop shutting down the conversation. first of all we can't have the conversation and that goes both ways and i've said this before, you know, we have to create a safe space for people to feel like they can say naive or mistaken or confused or muddied or complicated things. >> right. >> we have this sort of artificially polarized nation right now and it polarizes by politics and race. it was a white cop and a black victim. well, then, if i'm white i must be on the cop's side and if

you're on the victim's side you're anti-cop and all of that is so unreflective of reality. first of all, let's recognize that reality is more complicated. we all have complicated feelings. number two, let's stop shutting down the conversation. the answer to you disagree with this analysis is, oh, you're a racist, stop the conversation. respond to the substance of it. let's have the conversation. you just have to actually have a conversation to have it. and the third is i think we all need a more sophisticated understanding of what racism looks like in america today. it's not the individual donald sterling-type guy who says the crazy, nutty, outside the mainstream things. it's about systems. it's about implicit biases that we all share whether we realize it or not and the more you understand that you can take it out of personal responsibility and guilt it's like the air we breathe and start doing something about it. >> what did michael brown's parents think would come about it positively? >> i asked them that, of course.

certainly michael brown's law, they want all, all police officers, to be outfitted with cameras so we really know what happens, we can see what happens. they also say we've got big things ahead. big things. we want our son's legacy to mean something. so, i think it's stay tuned. i think they're working on something to define what their son's legacy will be. >> it sounds extraordinary. well, thank you all for joining us today. we're going to have to leave it there. we appreciate you being with us. suzanne malveaux is back with you after a quick break.

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visit comcast.com/wireless to learn more. hello, you're in the "cnn newsroom" i'm suzanne malveaux. a weeklong protest march is now under way in missouri. it began a short time ago in the st. louis suburb at ferguson at the site where michael brown was gunned down by white police officer darren wilson in august. of course, this week we learned the grand jury decided not to indict wilson. well, over the coming week marchers expect to cover about 20 miles a day as they make their way to the state capitol. next friday, the so-called journey for justice marchers will rally in front of the governor's mansion in jefferson city. our ed lavandera is with the

marchers and the naacp organizers say they want to invoke the civil rights marches of the '60s. tell us what they hope to accomplish in the weeks ahead? >> reporter: as you mention, that's the image and the spirit and the theme they want to evoke here. the march just started, several hundred people leaving canfield street the street where michael brown was shot and killed by darren wilson back in august and it will be a seven-day, 120-mile journey from ferguson, missouri, to the state capitol in missouri and we're joined by the president of the naacp cornell williams brooks. cornell, your goal in doing this is what? >> our goal is really to bring about reform of policing in this country and an end to racial profiling. >> reporter: and you've talked about how you want to evoke the themes of the 1960s civil rights movement and the mafches from selma to montgomery. why is that important to you? >> it's important for us in 2014

to draw from the wellspring of history. the selma march began with the death of a young african-american man jimmy lee jackson. and this march begins with the death of a young african-american man michael brown. we believe the same tha that that march changed american history, we believe that this march can change american history. we're marching twice the distance of the selma to montgomery march. we are reaching out to the length and breadth of not only the country but the state. because we believe that nonviolent protest is not only morally purposeful, it is also strategically effective. in other words, we can speak to the conscience of the country. we can convince people that there's more to be gained by our

lowering barriers of race and class, there's more to be gained by our police departments engaging communities rather than operating as occupying armies in the midst of communities. >> reporter: when you talk about being effective, i think the image of you guys walking past the burned-out buildings and the destruction is not lost on a lot of people i think. >> our challenge is this. when buildings burn, not only represents a loss of property, it also represents a loss of trust. a loss of moral credibility. and we believe that we're 99.9% of these young practitioners of democracy have protested for over 100 days nonviolently. we want to make clear that that's the message. michael brown's family want his memory to be honored by justice

for him and his family but also reform of the system. we believe that that can be brought about. >> reporter: our host suzanne malveaux wanted to ask a question. suzanne, go ahead. >> if you can ask cornell quickly there were obviously a lot of backlash in the selma march. what is he seeing around him? are there people that are largely supportive, are there people out there calling them name or supporting them? what do they see along their path, their journey there? >> reporter: suzanne's asking your thoughts on the support and what you're seeing around you as you engage and start off this march. >> i'm incredibly encouraged and inspired by the support. we have young people who have come from as far away as brazil. we have young people who are walking with us from the cantfield apartments and we have young people from ferguson and

we have civil rights activists who remember the days of martin luther king. the point being here is this is a family struggle. it's a multigenerational struggle. it is not a struggle that can be relegated to black or brown communities because we know that gay and lesbian people are profiled. we know that muslims are profiled. we also know that african-americans and latinos are profiled and so to the extent that we represent a coalition of conscience, we believe that we can all collectively stand together against racial profiling. at the end of the day we're hoping to tap into our shared humanity and also our shared citizenship. it's important to us. we believe that we can be just that effective. >> reporter: all right, very good. thank you, cornell. good luck walking. all right, suzanne, this is just the first few miles of this march. another seven days to go and it's just now starting, suzanne? >> all right, ed, we'll be

following you all the way there it looks like quite a brisk pace there. we'll join you tomorrow as well. thanks again. apprec yate it. there is unrest in the streets of egypt. cnn crews are capturing this scene as egyptian security forces lobbed tear gas and fired bird shot at protesters converging near tahrir square. the crowd was upset that former president hosni mubarak was effectively cleared today in the retrial of the charges linking him to the deaths of hundreds of protesters back in 2011. the crowd chanted the people want the fall of the regime as they demonstrated but the scene was altogether different in an egyptian courtroom earlier. that's what you're hearing mubarak supporters cheering after a cairo judge dismissed the charges stemming from the revolution that toppled mubarak from power. the 86-year-old ruled egypt for 29 years he was convicted back in 2012. it's still unclear when mubarak

could be released. it's also serving a three-year sentence for a separate embezzle conviction. we could see united nations security council vote in the next few days on whether to create a palestinian state alongside israel. today arab league foreign ministers cast a resolution to set a time frame for doing just that. they say they will formally introduce the bill at the u.n. in a few days. well, meanwhile, israelis, they are split over prime minister netten anyahnetanyahu'. the christian and muslims worry that the bill sends the message they are second class citizens. our cnn's ben wedeman is reporting from jerusalem. >> reporter: the flag, the symbols make the point. israel is a jewish state. but netanyahu and his allies don't think it's enough. his cabinet recently voted 14-6

for a bill that would put into law that israel is the nation-state of the jewish people. "israel," he told his cabinet "has equal and individual rights for every citizen and we insist on this but only the jewish people have national rights. a flag, an anthem, the right of every jew to emigrate to the country and other national symbols. these are granted only to our people and its own and only state." he and others have been at pains to stress that all israeli citizens more than a fifth are muslims or christians, aren entitled to equal rights. opponents say the nation-state bill has another purpose. >> to send a message to the arabs citizen that you are a second class citizen. >> reporter: this man runs a group fighting for civil rights for israel's arab minority. the proposed law, he believes, sends all the wrong signals. >> if you are american, imagine

that in the law american constitution will be -- and the constitutional definition of america will either be christian state or white state. >> reporter: significant president brelin and shimon peres have come out against the proposed law as has the attorney general. >> i think the mission of the state of israel, the mission of the government, is to maintain israel as a jewish and democratic state which -- >> reporter: hidlan former media adviser to netanyahu, codifies the need to maintain a jewish majority. >> is what we are doing the last 67 years. we prefer one group over another. we let every jew from all over the world from russia, from japan, from the u.s., to come to israel and to become a citizen. >> reporter: the bill could come up for a vote as early as next week. the cabinet is split over it. the country is split over it. and at a time when tensions here are already high, it could only

make matters worse. ben wedeman, cnn, jerusalejerus. still to come sunni forces battling isis in western iraq face a gruesome fate after running out of ammunition.

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in the middle east kurdish fighters are locked in a so-called death struggle against isis for control of a northern syrian town of kobani. while u.s.-led air strikes pounded positions east of the town isis attacked with suicide bombers on the ground. at least 30 people were killed in the most recent fighting. and to the south a grim outcome for iraqi tribal forces who have been battling against isis in

anbar province. the iraqis were holding their own until they ran out of ammunition and were overrun. we've got this bloody aftermath and we've got to warn you here that these images are brutally graphic. >> reporter: body after body lines the street in this western iraqi town. the killings a chilling message from isis. fight us and this will be your fate. the men are believed to be from the local tribe one of the few of the tribes in the anbar province. for month they fought back isis standing their ground until they were outgunned in october. "we ran out of ammunition and we had to withdraw our forces who were defending the tribe. we were presented to isis as a gift on a golden platter" says one of the tribe's leaders. he said without support they've paid a heavy price. 700 killed. many executed just this year. in 2006, he was part of the awakening movement.

sunni tribes recruited and paid by the u.s. military to fight al qaeda which turned the tide in that war. after the u.s. military pulled out in the 2011, the tribes were neglected and marginalized by the shia-led government leading man to join isis. the tribal force is a key part of the u.s. strategy to defeat isis. but the tribes say there's been no sign from the united states and the new iraqi government has yet to make good on promises to arm them. coalition air strikes have not been effective he says, isis is still powerful and capable. the tribal fourses have struggled to stop isis from taking the little of what remains of the province including its capital ramadi. "we ration the ammunition and isis bombard us with tens of thousands of bombs. they support their people and

they have a supply line." if anbar falls to isis the militants will tighten their grip on the vast territory they control stretching from the turkish border to syria all the way to baghdad. to shift the balance he says they need weapons and more air strikes and they need them fast. "people will be killed in cold blood and there will be more massacres. we're getting killed because of our friendship with the americans. does a friend abandon a friend like this?" he asks. for now he prepares his men for their next battle. how long the flag will fly high over this patch of anbar will depend on the country he calls a friend.

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a family of a 12-year-old boy gunned down by a cleveland police officer is now looking for answers. 12-year-old tamir rice was fatally shot one week ago to after waving what turned out to be a toy pellet gun in a park. rice was shot two seconds after police arrived on the scene. now, some say the officer who shot rice reacted too quickly. others say the toy gun looked like the real thing. well, people from rilce's community held a meeting to talk about gun violence and police relations. i want to bring in rosa flores

who is talking to the community here. two seconds seems like an awfully short time to determine what went down. >> oh, i know and imagine being that family member that looks at this video because the surveillance video was released and you see the exchange between police and your son and then your son ends up dead so it's a very, very tragic moment for this family and for this community and here's the interesting thing. so, this family has reached out to the community and asked them to react peacefully to have a conversation, a constructive conversation among themselves and with police. and guess what? that's exactly what they're doing. i want you to look at video of a church gathering that was held yesterday. and you'll see that these supporters are expressing their grief but then they're applauding police. take a listen. >> this is a hate crime. that hurt me to my heart. i had to pull back. i couldn't take it. >> i know that there is a great

deal of unrest in the community. god, this is why we call upon you, because you are a god that can make things better. >> i never had to shoot anybody. and i've been out there. >> now, isn't that an interesting moment, suzanne, where you hear the applause from the people after that really emotional account by one of the supporters. now, surveillance video was released. the 911 call was also released and one of the very interesting things here is that the caller actually tells the dispatcher that the gun could be fake so take a close listen to this -- this 911 call. >> i'm sitting in the park at west boulevard by the west boulevard rapid transit station. and there's a guy with a pistol pointing it with everybody. the guy keeps pulling his arms.

it's probably fake but do you know what it's scaring the [ bleep ] out of me. >> so, a really tough moment there, suzanne. of course, we know what happened. the gun was actually fake and the boy is dead. >> it was also an investigation before in to cleveland pd, right? >> yes, we've been digging in to this today, the doj investigating the cleveland police department and they've been doing that for over a year. we got an e-mail today from a spokesperson from the doj saying that the investigation is ongoing and, suzanne, it will be interesting to see what happens in light of the rice case. >> it seems like that man was just heartbroken. you could hear it in his voice. >> you could feel the pain in that community. >> rosa, thank you so much. planes, birds, now drones. coming up how the faa plans to regulate the newest hazard now in the sky.

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as if pilots didn't have enough to worry about while flying add collisions with drones to the list. that's right. as drone prices continue to drop more people buy them, number of pilots reporting near collisions is on the rise. now the faa is trying to figure out new ways to regulate them. here's our cnn's tom foreman. >> reporter: new york's busy airports appear to be the epicenter of dangerous encounters involving unmanned aerial vehicles or uavs. the alarming new faa report says recently three aircraft on the same day reported a very close call with a uav near laguardia.

another pilot said he almost hit one. yet another spotted one just below his right wing and two commercial jets almost struck a trash can-sized uav 5,000 feet in the air. the worry is rising coast to coast. remotely operated aircraft have unexpectedly popped up over government buildings, national parks, sports stadiums, highways, and even at the airfield where air force one is based. with the faa working up new rules to cover commercial uav operation the report could set the stage for tough regulations and mark donbroff said it should. he's an attorney that specializes in aviation issues. >> if nothing is done we'll have a midair collision in which a lot of people lose their lives. >> reporter: enthusiasts have imagined a brave new world where they deliver medicine and chase down criminals and even drop down purpose chases from retailers. >> the industry is really

growing. it's an exciting time for drones. there's a lot of new technology coming out every month. >> reporter: but federal approval for any commercial use has been extremely rare. when a man used a uav to shoot commercial video, the faa fined him $10,000 and the national transportation safety board just confirmed the agency's right to do that. so up until now, a lot of people have operated in this gray space saying it's more like a model, it's not really like an airplane. but that gray space is going away. >> you may not agree with the faa but the faa has defined it as black and white, you are either a hobbyist recreational user or you're not. >> reporter: amateurs will still likely be able to fly their uavs within existing rules but the new commercial regulations expected in weeks will almost certainly launch a new debate about government power, private rights, and public safety. tom foreman cnn, washington.

and the faa administrator will be on "state of the union" tomorrow morning to talk more about that. "cnn newsroom" continues at the top of the hour. next on cnn dr. sanjay gupta takes his family on a trip halfway around the world to uncover his roots. all right. i've never done this before. there you go. ♪ the people back home will be so jealous. >> yeah. >> you're probably wondering what's happening right now. well, so was i. truth is, none of this was supposed to happen. the beach, the camel ride, the trip to karachi with my mother. returning to a country that she had fled 70 years ago as a refugee. did you ever think you'd be doing this? >> i was not planning on this. >> it's going to be a journey of surprises i think. >> yes. ♪