with others, think big, be creative, and keep up with your math. good morning and welcome to "reliable sources." i will talk with the espn reporter who won the interview with janay rice. and the one writer who saw bill cosby's downfall coming and almost no one believed him. let's begin with the story of the week. the one word that has come to mean so much, ferguson. in cities across the country, anger, frustration, and despair on full display after a grand jury decided not to indict darren wilson in the killing of michael brown. the protests have continued every day since, continued last night in ferguson.

let's head straight to there to ed lavandera with the latest on darren wilson's status and how are people reacting to wilson's resignation last night? >> reporter: a lot of people who have been against darren wilson since the august shooting of michael brown say that it has taken too long to get to this point, but in many ways not a lot of people around here, whether you supported wilson or not, never really imagined any possible way darren wilson could continue on the police force. last night his attorneys released a statement on his behalf saying from darren wilson it was my hope to continue in policework, but the safety of other police officers and the community are of paramount importance to me. so darren wilson after more than three months being on paid administrative leave is now officially gone from the ferguson police department. brian? >> ed, thanks. appreciate it. i know people have strong feelings about the media's treatment about this ongoing story. i want to go back to monday when we saw buildings ablaze, stores under siege, truly a scary scene

right near st. louis. with reporters right in the middle of the mayhem and maybe sometimes too close. >> tear gas. >> tear gas. >> there's tear gas just dropped right near us. it's going to get bad here if we don't have masks. >> people are throwing stuff at me right now. people are throwing stuff at me right now. it's that kind of scene out here. >> whether it's -- oh! sorry. i just got hit by a rock. >> very -- that's gunfire. >> you're unlawfully assembled. you need to get out of the street immediately or you will be subject to arrest. >> [ bleep ] out of our face. >> we just had a big volley. there's another round that just wept out of the tear gas. coming out of the police vehicles. >> there's a fire that was set to the building. they're blocking our exit. we've just heard dozens of

gunshots. >> come on. come on. >> you do not understand! you are promoting a certain narrative. >> right, right. thank you. >> that the reporter at the end, cnn jason carroll is back from ferguson and here with me on set. sara sidner, who got hit by a rock, is in san francisco. for a printed online perspective, let me bring in wesley lowry of "the washington post." he's in ferguson. jason, we see people yelling at you. they weren't threatening, but there were times it was too dangerous. was it too dangerous to be broadcasting live? >> it was definitely dangerous. whats it too dangerous to broadcast live? i would say no. i think whenever you come to a point where you're covering a story as important as this one, one that could have historical significance, you have to be there. as journalists, you know, we

know the risks. we knew it was going to be dangerous. i had been receiving text messages from protesters for weeks saying that the city was going to burn. so i went in knowing that it was going to be dangerous -- >> expecting it. were you wearing a bulletproof vest? what kind of precautions were you taking? >> i did not have a bulletproof vest. i had a gas mask. when they lobbed the tear gas, it came so quickly and i wanted to get the story out, i found if i coughed it out and continued to talk and moved away from where the gas was coming from, i was okay or at least i felt okay. it's only after looking at the images now i realized how close we were. you can see some of the tear gas there now. i was there with my crew, that was my producer there. we tried to move away. did the best we could to try to report the situation. was it dangerous? yes. did we hear the gunfire? yes. were they throwing things at us? yes. but i still felt as though it was significant and important to be there. >> sara, let me ask you, it

looked to me from watching on mopped night like we had security personnel with the crews that you and jason were with. is that right? >> that's correct, yes. sometimes we have security, sometimes we don't. but there came a point in which we all felt like if we're going to be doing this story, the best thing to do is have at least another set of eyes. i don't know if people realize this but we're sort of blind with the lights in our faces. we are trying to tell the story. when we're live, we are concentrated solely on what it is we're doing and trying to talk about what's happening around us in this kind of setting. and so you're not aware of what's going on sort of around you other than the specifics of the story. and so when something comes at you, you sort of need someone to be watching for danger while you're doing your job, and, you know, this, brian and i have covered wars and different places the world, libya, afghanistan, and so -- >> yeah, we can show some of that video from libya, sara.

how did this compare? >> two very, very, very different scenarios. one thing that was different in libya is that we weren't the targets. when i was with the rebels, the rebels wanted us there with them to show what was going on. if you were though with the government at that time, if you were reporting on the government, then you were the target. very different scenario. what there was there was a lot of shooting in the air, extremely, extremely dangerous, but when that happened, it was daytime. it was not dark yet. when we were in ferguson, it was dark, and you couldn't see but you can certainly hear gunshots and as you might imagine, i know exactly what gunshots sound like compared to firecrackers which were also being lobbed in some areas. so it was a different scenario. there were different kinds of dangers there. but we were targets in ferguson in some ways. i want to say this though, there

were about 10 or 15 protesters who called me up and said, do you need help? they came down there and it turns out it wasn't a rock. it was a bottle, a glass bottle that hit me in the head, and they said we will help you. where are you? we heard you were hurt. we're coming there, we're going to get you out thereof. we are going to help you. so there were people who were peaceful protesters who wanted to get the megsage out and who did not want this to happen in any way, shape, or form because they feel like the message got corrupted. the message that they were trying to put out to the world got completely corrupted by violence that they did not want to see. so there were people there that also wanted to help us from the public's view. >> that's good to know. let me bring in wesley because, wesley, you were rather famously arrested in august during the earlier unrest, during the protests then. were there any press access issues you experienced this week? i know of only one arrest in the past few days and that was a photographer. >> i only know of one journalist arrested in the last few weeks.

i don't know that there were the same types of issues, and there weren't mass arrests the same way this time around as there were the last time. many fewer arrests generally. there certainly have been -- it's hard to gauge exactly what the press access issue has been in this case. for example, the last few days they've closed down the area that was looted and where the rioting took place. it's been closed as a crime scene and only for a few hours every day have people been allowed in and out. some might argue that's an access issue. others might argue with yes potentially millions dollars of property damage done, maybe they do need crime scene investigation. it's a different scenario. >> let me ask you about the word riot because you have covered other periods of unrest before. you were at penn state when that tv news truck got flipped over by a crowd. >> that was a riot. it wasn't called a riot but it was. and, you know, i think that's another point that some of the protesters that i spoke to who were peaceful brought up.

they said we've seen situations like this unrest before. they said this is a situation where the unrest is for political and social reasons. when we were out at penn state, it was -- in some ways we experienced some of the same things that sara had pointed out, we were the targets. a lot of those students were upset because they felt as though, as you remember the story, it was the press' fault for coming after joe paterno. >> i don't mean to compare the two, but it's worth keeping in mind when we see these sorts of 340e789s, even on friday night in san francisco, there were windows broken during ferguson related protests, bottles thrown at police. it wasn't as widespread but i do wonder sometimes if there are racial and other factors at play here. >> i think that's a point that a lot of people will be looking at. i just know that in this situation, i agree with sara. i think in some ways the cause got corrupted. there were definitely protesters like the one you saw there that got in my face. he wasn't there because of michael brown. he wasn't there because of police brutality. he had his own agenda, but there

were a number of protesters out there who wanted to have their voices heard. unfortunately, these images are overshadowing the megsages they wanted to get across. >> we'll talk more about that broader topic. it's not just about michael brown. jason carroll, sara sidner, and wesley lowry, thank you for being here. i know this is a hot topic. send me a tweet or look me up on facebook. we've heard what it was like to report during the height of the hostility, but i want to ask this question when we come back. did the media's presence actually make things worse? were people, i hate to say this, but were they looting for the cameras? that in a moment. than ever why now is the best time to be on verizon. one: verizon's the largest, most reliable 4g lte network in the country. that's right america. with xlte in over 400 markets. two: and here's something for families to get excited about. our best pricing ever! get 2 lines with an incredible 10gb of data

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monday before the grand jury announcement. that's the total audience. on the right, that's the hour of announcement. cnn with 6.2 million viewers while the announcement is coming in. that is more than any moment after katrina, after the boston bombings. these are the same ratings now but in the 25 to 54-year-old demographic that advertisers dokov vet. cnn number one, fox number two, msnbc, number three. what's important is the huge surge of young people that tuned in to see the announcement and the violence that followed afterwards. i heard many complaints about the coverage on monday night. here is one of them. it's from laura ingraham. she tweeted this, if the media pulled back half of the protesters would disperse and go home. ferguson would be more peaceful. is that true? did the media fan the flames in ferguson? joining me is the director of

the george washington school of media affairs and frank abs sh. eur. what is your impression of the national media coverage. you have seen hundreds of rompers parachute into your community. >> one of the things that's stood out is the fact that a lot of national reporters don't know the territory. as a result, there have been some very serious errors on their part in terms of reporting stuff that's not factual. six weeks ago we were told that ferguson police chief was on the verge of resigning. hasn't happened. we were told of a major riot in downtown st. louis. it was nine miles away in a suburb of university city. on top of that we were told three floors of the ferguson hospital had been set aside for injuries from the riots. there is no ferguson hospital. no hospitals in the area had done that. the outcome is, in fact, that

people will trust the media much less knowing that what is being reported is not factual. >> frank sesno, did you notice some of the problems, some of the same inadequacies in the coverage? >> hsure. i think you have people helicoptering in as you say. they're instantly on the streets, and what they're able to do is cover the snapshot through the straw, exactly what they're seeing at that moment. what they don't know is the lay of the land, the personalities, the deep seated animosities, where they exist, and unfortunately such things as whether there's a hospital or not. the problem is with a story like this and your audience numbers show it, the passions run so deep, the feelings run so deep, the perspectives of the white audience and the black audience are so vastly different and far apart that this is when it calls -- when you want some knowledge on the ground. this is when the nuance in the reporting also matters. >> i put up those ratings, as you're saying frank sesno, because i think it's worth

keeping in mind these networks had huge audiences. it was most lly commercial-free. it's not like cnn directly profited during the hours of the rioting but the ratings get to a point a lot of people online have said, did the networks want violence to happen? of course the media don't, no. i think that's a cynical thing to say. people don't sit around in editorial meetings at cnn or fox saying we hope there's violence so it drives the ratings up. but you know something is going to come along and you know that that is going to drive the audience. you know you're going to get an audience, maybe not this big, with a story like that, and tough plan accordingly. talking about the audience is getting way too cynical in this way. there is a major story. there is a major issue. and you got to cover it, and then it's a separate subject as to what the consequences of that are. >> frank, let me ask you -- >> brian, i feel the same way here. >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i feel the same way because while a lot of people are quick

to criticize and say the media caused this by their very presence, trament if the media had not covered it, they'd have been doing an extreme disserv e disservice. >> i want to share a tweet saying a broadcaster friend of mine calling television cameras the idiot maker. when the cameras are on them, the behavior becomes irrational. is there some truth to that, when the cameras are present, people act out for the cameras? >> they do but also when the national news media celebrities are in town, there's a crush to be a part of this, to be seen with them, to be associated with them. as a result, a lot of people got on television as expert spokespeople who, in fact, were not. the local people know who these folks are. the national media don't. one of the attorneys interviewed extensively was in the process of facing disbarment, but the media didn't realize it. >> i want to jump in there, brian, if i can, because i have

been out on the streets with cameras in very strange places when things like this are going on. what cameras do, they do change the dynamic. they magnify, they amplify, they certainly can distort, and they can antagonize people who are already out there because people who are out there see the cameras abc news they may perform for them. it has be a almost odd effect. there's a camera that's capturing you for the world to see, but in some strange way there's an anonymity that brings because someone may feel they're part of something somehow bigger, and so the danger with cameras always, always is that you're not just there tracking the news and recording the news. you may be helping to propel the news. that's where this gets to be very dangerous and very delicate. >> a couple days after -- >> i'm not sure there's a solution for this. >> let me play one sound bite from darren wilson because this big first interview that abc's george stephanopoulos incurred with darren wilson made a lot of

news later in the week. >> there was a 5-year-old holding onto hulk hogan. that's how big this man was. >> hulk hogan. >> he was very large and very powerful moment. >> that moment before the second shot you said there was a look in his eye like something you had never seen before. you described it as a demon. >> it was a very, very intense image he was presenting. >> there has been widespread speculation that abc somehow paid for this interview. abc is denying that. we do not pay for interviews and there was no payment for this interview, period. frank sos knesnsesno, a lot of don't believe that. the people who are pro-michael brown, anti-darren -- i hate to even put it in those terms but it's how this story has become. they believe abc did pay. do you believe that there's any sort of possibility that maybe there was a licensing deal or some other sort of thing in an interview like this or would that have been too risky for

abc? >> we don't know. you know, this is one of the stories i'd like to know more about. when we talk about the coverage of this story, there are about 1,000 things i'd like to know more about and one of them is how did that interview take place? what was the degree of coaching wilson had. why was he the kind of interview subject he was? i found it a strange and sort of clinical interview, not by stephanopoulos, but by his part. the story behind the story, i'd sure like to know. >> frank sesno and frank absher, thank you for being here. we have more to come, including where is dr. nancy sneiderman of nbc news. it's been more than a month since she left the air. she's still not back. i have my reporting on that coming up. we'll stay with ferguson after the break because this one story could be viewed in two entirely different ways. is it as simple as black and white? we will try to answer that when we return. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars.

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a national conversation on race. how many times have you heard that phrase? can i be really honest here? the truth is we're not having a national conversation on race. we're having two very different conversations, and there's barely any overlap. tell me if you agree with me about this. there is a conversation mainly among whites that mostly tiptoes around race and denies race is a factor. there's a totally separate conversation mainly among people of color that argues most white people don't get it, don't, or can't or won't don't ends the devastating effects of racial bias. these conversations happen through the media. so i'm tempted to call this white news/black news instead of our usual segment because one of the reasons why we're having two different conversations is that we're hearing two different stories. one story is very specific. it's about michael brown and darren wilson. the other story is about an

epidemic of police violence. this story, this is the one that many african-americans have absorbed through a mix of mainstream and social media. it's a picture that is viral online. it's of dozens of men, dozens of unarmed men killed by police. dozens of michael browns, and there are unarmed women as well. now, many whites don't know all their names. i don't know all their names. many african-americans do know their names. so two different conversations based on two different narratives. to better understand how and why this is the way it is, let me bring in two media entrepreneurs. elon james white who founded this week in blackness and crystal wright who created conservative black chick. thanks both for being here. >> thanks, brian. >> elon, do you think i'm right about that, there's simply a different story being talked about in the african-american oriented media and on social media? >> absolutely. the big thing here is that we've been dealing with this for generations. this is not the first time

something like this has happened, it probably won't be the last time something like this has happened. we're seeing various people being shot unarmed even now since the hike brown shooting and so the conversation for us is about the fact that this is something that needs to be dealt with on a different level. we can't sit here and wait and continue to ask, please treat us like human beings, and yet somehow when people want to look at this, they want to take out all the history around it, the obvious bias that's been shown, and they just want to look at it from a very stark and cold way and you can't do that in this situation. >> crystal, what is your take on this? >> well, i think what's interesting is that for some reason the immediamedia, brian, think you're doing this yourself, you're lumping black people in all camp and all white people. i'm black, elon is black, and i disagree with elon. i have a different perspective on what happened to michael brown and how officer wilson

behaved. i think that's part of the problem, why americans can't talk honestly about race is because as a black person, i'm supposed to think like elon, and i don't. i think the real issue is you did bring up an important point. white americans feel afraid to talk about race because they feel like if they talk honestly and share an opinion, they're going to be marginalized, going to be called all sorts of heinous names, and i think you're right again, brian, that we're talking at each other because white people are supposed to think a certain way. black people are supposed to think another way and we can't have an honest dialogue. we have hate hurling at us. i will say this, i think the real epidemic is not police violence against black men. the real epidemic is young black men killing other young black men, and we know -- >> no, no. >> we know -- you're going to let me finish, elon. no, ma'am, you're going to let me finish because i-respectful of you. the violence policy center, brian, said that the biggest epidemic facing black men, and

they called it an em dem irk are the black homicides being committed against black men predominantly by other black men. 17 black men are killed each day in this country. there's no outrage, there's no al sharpton talking about why this is happening. michael brown made very bad decisions. he did not deserve to have his life cut short at 18. he robbed a convenience store, and then he went on the street and tried to be could nfrontati with a police officer. what we need to be talking about is how do we restore trust. i do not believe white -- >> let's hear from elon -- >> let me just finish real quick. >> you have been talking for a minute now. >> don't call me ma'am. you were talking longer than me. >> leter let me try to pause for a moment. let me hear elon's point about this black on black violence. >> white police officers are not waking up each morning and saying that they want to go out and kill young black men. >> elon, do you want to go

ahead? >> yes. thank you, sir. so, first of all, the black on black crime thing, crystal is completely and totally wrong on this because, one, this conversation has been happening within the black community for generations. like if you go to any black community, the black church, people are having this very conversation around violence within the community. and so in all honesty, that's a way to deflect from the issue. that's been real real here. the fact is when a cop kills a young black man unarmed, it's a bit different than violence happening within the neighborhood. to pretend its anything else is disingenuous at best. when you talk about this, when you talk about black on black crime, black on black crime is in similar rates as white on white crime. this is a false narrative people push to derail the conversation around our community still being gunned down by the police. now, when a police officer who is supposed to protect the community, who is supposed to protect the people in that space kills an unarmed man, it's a different thing than gang violence or something like that because this person has been

sworn in to specifically protect the community. and when they don't and when they can't and when we're still sitting here afraid of state violence and then in the end they're going to be acquitted of that, so that means when you shoot down our young people, that means you get to go walk free and you get to walk away. that's ridiculous and that's not something that should be tolerated in any shape or form or fashion. >> let me -- >> me and crystal definitely disagree on this and it's not because she's supposed to think like me. it's because she's wrong. >> let me take you in one other direction. i want to point out some conspiratorial thinking. i pointed out the misinformation about the abc not paying for the darren wilson interview. let me put up what was one of too many ugly racist writings. a shoe store got looted in ferguson. everything was taken except the work boots. the work boots haven't been touched. couple things about that. it's obviously racist and awful. number two, the picture is obviously not from ferguson. why is it, and i want to hear from both of you y is it these

kinds of memes, these misinformation memes have spread online? >> the fact is people -- social media is social media and there's going to be issues like that. a lot of misinformation around it, the idea of even officer wilson being paid. that's just part of what happens on social media. emotions are very high at the moment and you're going to see things like that, and it's problematic and we would hope that more folks would stop and take a moment to look and see if this is even true because like you said -- >> that i think we can agree on. >> social media has a way of fueling people's anger behind computers where they can hide behind animosity and anonymity. your earlier guest talked about when the camera lens is in the moment, i think people get riled up and they see these images of rioters, the looting that wept

on. let's not forget, guys, 60 businesses are now not able to operate in ferguson and provide jobs to employees. you have businesses that were either completely burned down or destroyed to the point that it's going to take months to rebuild. i don't think that shows respect for a black neighborhood and i also -- well, brian, and i also want to say -- >> i want to focus on the media and that's why i have to roll on this. >> right. >> crystal, elon, i appreciate you both being here. and i know the debate is going to keep going online. before we go, i want to show you this one thing. this is a "new yorker" cover. it's the iconic st. louis arch that shows the distance between blacks and whites. but this is the hopeful edit produced by i love ferguson trying to hooem the divide. a beautiful piece of media. it's time for a quick break and we turn to football. the media blitz by ray and jen nay rice. here from the espn intervireport

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welcome back to "reliable sources." i'm sure you remember these images of ray rice and his waive janay. this is the aftermath footage after he knocked out his wife. he dragged her out of this atlantic city casino elevatoele. the nfl suspended him indefinitely. on friday his suspension was overturned and janay rice is telling her side of the story. she talked with espn and nbc. here she is with matt lauer describing the ride home from the casino. >> i was furious. we came home, and we didn't talk the entire ride. i didn't speak to him the entire ride home. he tried to talk to me. i didn't want to hear anything. i just knew he hit me, and i was completely over it. i was done, didn't want to hear anything. i just didn't even want to

entertain him, anything that he had to say, any explanation. of course, in the back of my mind and my heart i knew our relationship wouldn't be over because i know that this isn't us and it's not him. >> the rebs of that interview will air tomorrow on the "today" show, but it was espn's jamel hill who had the interexclusive intervi -- first exclusive interview. thanks for joining me. >> thank you. >> you told me during the commercial break this was the first time in your career you've ever had to interview for an interview. tell me what that was like. >> well, it was a little different process. obviously with this kind of interview janay and her family, they wanted to basically have an array of choices. they wanted to figure out who they fell the most comfortable with and so when i met her and her mom for the first time, you know, i just wanted to understand my commitment and

passion for journalism and the whole reason i got into this business was to tell stories. they were already fully aware of what my opinions on the ray rice issue had been, and i think they felt as if i were fair. that doesn't mean favorable but they felt as if i were fair and i think that was a big reason why they decided to trust me with their story. >> and that meeting happened several weeks before the november 5th interview? >> yes, it did. it happened in new york, and it was an opportunity, you know, maybe like an orientation if you will, a meet and greet, an opportunity for her to know a little bit about me, me to know a little bit about her. obviously beyond the headlines that she had been involved with for months at that point. i just wanted to get a better feel for who she was and it was mutual, it was vice versa. >> when we are first person essay was published on friday, it included this note. it said no questions were offlimits. janay rice was given approval over it's content and release date. tell me why you thought it was

appropriate in this case to have her have approval over the content? >> as you see, there have been other as told to stories and a lot of them take this format and i know the way it sounds and i know the way it sounds for me again by trade, i'm a journalist. i know people see that language and final approval and they envision this process of her shooting down things not to be in there. but it was in no way was this ever a dictatorship. it was fully a collaboration. she came into it with the mindset she wanted to be as transparent as possible. as for the are he lease date, this was -- the interview took place during the appeals process and it just made more sense to not publish this story until after that process had been completed. i mean, i spoke to her moments after the nfl or the arbitrator decided to reinstate ray rice because that was something, a reaction we wanted to include in the piece, and it was stuff i wanted to have so when i did speak about her in the piece, i can say i spoke to her and this

was her reaction to the appeals process. >> it's so interesting to see her talking to the media because let me put up what she put on instagram over the summer. she was attacking the media, talking about the pain the media had caused. she wrote no one knows the pain that media and unwanted options from the public has caused to my family. i think she meant opinions, not options. did she say anything about the media? >> i think that was part of the reason she was motivated to speak. she had gone months without saying anything. putting myself in her shoes, i imagine it's extremely frustrating to see people like me and you and people in social media, other media pundits who are opining about her mindminds about her relationship, about the type of woman she is, and this was her opportunity to set the record straight and to present to people who she really is. and, you know, while on some end i know there's a certain irony in railing against the media and collaborating with them at the

same time, but i think that's why she went through the process so carefully to choose somebody who she felt like was going to be fair. >> no doubt. sources have more power than ever to choose who to talk to. one line that stood out to me in this essay. she said if it took our situation becoming "headline news" to show domestic violence is happening this this country, that's a positive. did you get a sense from her she really feels that this has had a positive outcome in this way? >> well, i think obviously she would not like to relive this situation. i think that that's pretty obvious. however, as she told me, there were certain positives or a silver lining if you will that came out of this. among the many was the fact that the level and awareness of domestic violence is now, you know, maybe more than we've seen in this country in quite some time. the other side of her from a personal level, too, is that she felt like she learned a lot about herself, about her own strength, the strength of her family, the strength of her

relationship with her husband. so even though it was horrible and traumatic and there's going to be some probably long-term emotional damage from this entire episode, i think that she has enough perspective to understand that there was something larger and bigger at play than just the microcosm of her situation. >> very self-aware. jemele hill, thanks for being here this morning. >> thank you. >> that word she used collaboration, it's a controversial word. i think it will get some attention. i'm told espn decided if at any point during this process if they felt their credible would be damaged, they would bail, and they never reached that point. more troubles this week for bill cosby. when we return, i'm going to talk to perhaps the one reporter who got the story right. he saw the sex scandal coming and we'll talk about that in just a moment. (coffee being poured into a cup.) ♪ save your coffee from the artificial stuff.

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article about bill cosby, because he went into detail about the allegations against him, and he said this, maybe it is going to amount to nothing, but there is the possibility that it will bubble up to e destroy him, and that is in 006. the article came and went and mostly ignored like the accusers at the time, but the sexual assault claims became national news this month, and causing more people to come to the forefront, and 15 to our count. and now, that brings us back to the booking process, because you may have notice aed that the cosby headlines were overtaken, and when we were told that we would be covering ferguson, he said, don't forget about cosby and don't let this story go again. and now bob huber is going to join me from one of my favorite cities, philadelphia. hello, brian. >> hello. >> and you never actually got to

ask him about the allegations, and why is that? >> well, i was not able to ask him anything. i got on the story, because of andrea konstat, and she was an administrator working for the university of temple women's basketball, basketball, and cosby has temple connections, and he went to temple, and he is on the board, and he is involved with the fund-raising and so on and so forth, and they developed something of a mentor/mentee relationship, and he invited her to his house to talk about her career. that is when she tells the story of abuse, that cosby offered her a pill, i think that she had a headache or was a little anxious, and cosby said that it would make her feel better, and he said that it would make her feel better, and she has a drink, and the story is that cosby then proceeded to molest her, and she wait ed a year, an

she pursued it legally, and ended up going nowhere legally, but then she fileedded a civil suit. >> and you were covering this from the article. >> yes. in that civil suit -- >> and what is interesting to me is that you were writing about this, and doing a big profile, and you were invited to spend some time with cosby, but you were not allowed to ask him questions? >> right. that is the second piece of it, and any rate the civil suit, there are 13 jane does, and that is a piece that i was very intere interested in. and the second leg is that bill cosby was doing call-outs, and going to mostly cities are where he was talking directly and frankly and angrily to mostly inner city black people about getting themselves together, and taking responsibility, and changing their lives, and i was trying to get the cosby, and i couldn't get to him h. i i tatalked to his people, and went out to his house in

cheltonham and left a note in the mailbox about the call-outs and i said got a note from the editor and lo and behold i got a note from cosby's people, and i got a call out to delta out there in mississippi, and event of a couple of hundred people there, and cosby is giving the speech of the raising yourself up to the boot straps and i'm invite td to the reception, and the dinner afterwards and i'm allowed to sit next to bill cosby, but i am essentially not al loued to sit next to him and he won't answer any questions, so i get to cosby, but there is no interview of cosby and it is one of the most bizarre scenarios in writing a profile. and i have written many write arounds that i don't get to the person i am writing about to get to the person and have them not talk to me, as you know a complete control thing. >> and that is revealing a about the way -- >> and you can see that.

>> it is revealing. and there is so much coverage of cosby in the past that didn't touch about it, and there is a new book out about mark whitaker, a former cnn executive that is a biography about cosby that did not touch on this story, and then after my colleague david carr wrote about this, he tweeted to david carr and david, you were right and i was wrong not to deal with the sexual assault of cosby and not pursue them more aggressively, a i am following up on the sexual assault charges, and i will address them at the appropriate time. if true the stories are shocking if not unconscionable. what do you say about that, bob? >> well, they are unconsciona e unconscionable, and i was a able

to take a look at the whole ball of wax of cosby's career and look at the allegations from the women of the civil suit, a, and there is a litany of stories there in my piece and 13 women who are ready to testify in that civil suit that didn't because that suit was settled. but all of that has been out for a decade, and for someone to write a book about cosby and not get into that is absurd to me. >> and bob, thank you for being here, and i want you to know that we did reach out to mark whitaker and he did not respond to us. and now, will dr. nancy snyderman ever return to air? i will tell you why today is important in trying to answer that question next.

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before i go this morning, a quick question that i have been trying to answer, where is cnn chief medical expert dr. nancy schneiderman, and if you googol her name, you will see this, she is expected to work in november, and she had just finished a three-week quarantine after she and her colleagues had been

reporting this in liberia, and so she then violated her quarantine the and then she took more time off to let the controversy blow over. and then nbc said they are looking forward to their return in november, and well, it is the end of november, and she has not been on air. and now, dr. natalie azar became a contributor, and so what is going to happen? and only the top executives know dr. nancy's future, but they are predicting that e she is will be back on in the near future. and remember that our coverage continues 24 hours a day 7 days a week. and stay with us as our coverage continues with "state of the union" with candy crowley. fasten your seat belts. more than americans fly today than any other day, in a