on so many levels. thank you so much for watching us. set your dvr to record us anytime. see you back here tomorrow night. ac 360 begins right now. vitac. good evening everyone, a lot to bring you. the war against isis, the fight back home to stop street drugs that may resemble the old ones who can be a whole lot deadlier. we begin in ferguson the moments after the news came down. darren wilson would not change. specifically with the words louis shouted to the crowd. authorities are looking whether he should face charges in connection with the rioting that followed. before we begin with that debate, i want to show you not only what he said and how he said it, but also the context. the anguish of his wife, michael brown's mother, leading up to it. here's the complete moment. >> i ain't never had to go

through like this. >> none of you all know me but i don't do nothing to nobody. anybody say is wrong.

>> the words at issue in the context surrounding them. here's what missouri's lieutenant governor had to say to conservative talk show host laura ingram and by implication, the rest of the riot tors. >> you hear that sound from the stepfather of michael brown, what's your reaction? >> he should be arrested and charged with inciting to riot. >> i mean, why hasn't that already happened? this should be mass arrests. nothing quite said civil rights outrage like a fifth of jack daniels. that speaks to the great legacy of rosa parx.

martin luther king. >> did one man's words trigger some of the rioting that followed? he was standing there 20 feet from the heads. jason, you were there. walk us through how everything played out. >> well, my photographer, my producer and i, not far from where all of this was happening. the moments, it was tense before it all started. you can see from our camera position as we were watching it as it unfolded. i mean, the crowd, i have to tell you, anderson, was split before this. there were people before he stepped up there who were taunting the police, who were throwing bottles. things like that. they were taunting the police. also saying this is not the right way. this is not the right way. and then you saw michael brown's mother as she got up there and became overcome with emotion and then you saw lewis head and his outburst. after he did burn it down, there were people who agreed with what he said. let's do it, let's do it, but also people who said let's not

and in those few moments in the video, they got him off the top of there and pushed him through the crowd and shortly thereafter, anderson, things took a turn for the worst. a small portion of the crowd gathered, they marched down south flores and began setting cars on fire. >> the cars, i remember you vividly standing in front of a car on fire. >> right. >> that was close to the police station where he made these statements, correct? >> very close to it, but we should also draw a distinction. that was right in front of the ferguson police department on south florson there. at the same time we heard about the grand jury's decision, we also got word on west florson, a few miles away, we started hearing about looting started to take place, the buildings starting to be set on fire. that was independent of what happened there in front of the ferguson police department. i think there might be a tough argument to say that what he did there and what he said there

incited people to do what they did over in west florson. they may have an argument for what happened eventually in front of the ferguson police department. >> the largest fires, the buildings burned and the storage facility and the other buildings, the barbecue joint, all of that was farther away. the people who were there, when some of those fires were lit, would not have heard what the stepfather said but perhaps people who burn the cars or decided to throw things to the police may have hurt this. >> that's what they're going to decide. you look at this statement from brian shel man from the st. louis county police department. he released a statement saying our department is currently looking into this as part of the entire investigation that includes the arsons, looting, destruction of property. once it is complete, the whole investigation will be presented to the prosecuting attorney's office. one of the points i wanted to make about this but i think is

getting lost, i think when i was there on the ground, anderson, everyone is looking to demonize someone. some look to demonize officer darren wilson, some look to demonize michael brown and louis head, maybe for a good reason. i think also what i heard on the ground, people looking for some common ground. people looking for a way to move forward and what they're looking for is leadership to help them get them there and right now, i think those people who are looking for common ground aren't finding it. >> jason carroll, thank you for being with us and again, thank you for reporting that night. i want to bring legal analyst sonny hauston and former agent and police officer, dan bongina. thank you for joining us. we've had you before. do you believe michael brown's stepfather should be charged and if so, explain why. >> i do, it gives me no joy in

saying that. the stepfather and mother were in obvious pain but doesn't absolve them from the responsibility of a manner completely overtaken by emotion that could cause violence. context, working in their favor is their stepson was killed. but in context, working against them, already a history of violence, rioting, a history of fires being set and anderson, he says about seven to ten times asked for a microphone. the context isn't good. not for him. >> sonny, what do you think of that? >> i don't think anyone condones what he said. i interviewed both of his parents, michael brown's parents, not his stepfather. neither of them are condoning what he said. i know leslie, michael brown's mother, said i was hurting, i was emotional. he was emotional, acted in anger. that's the first part.

the second part -- >> the sad thing, let's just be honest, they had a long time to prepare for this moment. it's not as if they just were stunned by the decision. i mean, they suspected this decision. >> when i spoke to michael brown's mother, she found out about the decision five minutes before and up until that point, thought there was going to be an indictment. coming from the legal perspective, this would be a difficult case to prove. because you've got to prove not only he intended to cause this riot but caused the riot based on his words. i think if you listen to jason's reporting, the cause and effect piece would be difficult for a prosecuting. they have prosecutial discretion, given what's going on in ferguson, what prosecutor would charge a case like this? most would run the other way. >> should that be taken into account? just because it would upset people in the community, perhaps, to have this man

charged. should that affect the prosecutor? >> that part is a political question. a little beyond by pay grade, but if you're charged, you can be convicted. with these statutes, so broadly written it gives prosecutors the discretion in a case like this. in missouri, you need to show six or more people get together and do violence or destruction of property. they don't have to do it. in criminal law, when we use "agree" it's not a written agreement. doesn't have to be verbal agreement. the world of conspiracy. from a defense perspective, i think a good defense would be can you show a neck sus from burn this down? it may not be close to the actual destruction of property. >> if it was just a few people

who were motivated by what he said and i don't know if there were a few people motivated by what he said or said that's a guy suffering and moved on, but if there were a few people motivated by what he said, does it have to be a certain number of people to bring a charge or could it be one or two people deciding i'll throw a molotov cocktail? >> in missouri, it's six. in other states, it varies. six or more people agreeing, they do something, it's called rioting. if they agree to do a violence, it's unlawful assembly. you have a disorderly conduct statute that covers a broad range of activity. shouting threats, obscenities, things like that can get him charged. there are a number of different charges. it makes the decision completely discretionary. >> should the prosecutor be given the anger that exists by

some people in the community and the resentment that might exist if, you know, michael brown's stepfather ends up getting charged and officer darren wilson doesn't, should that be taken into account or some people say that's kind of listening to a mob mentality and that's not what justice is about? >> because he's charged doesn't mean he's convicted or anything else. darren wilson was put in the system where probable cause wasn't found. the grand jury was sitting way before that. it wasn't selected for darren wilson specifically. we either believe in the justice system, anderson, or we don't. >> don't the prosecute owners have rights? there's a guy asking for a

microphone seven or eight times. >> where was the national guard and the police department? that's another issue, but anderson, i think one thing we need to think about is, you know, we have a police department, the ferguson police chief who sort of is behind all of this? he is makes all of these incendiary statements. he released this tape. tone deaf. >> new york times recording? >> he released the surveillance video. and so i wonder, you know, how tone deaf can you be? the justice department is investigating the st. louis county police department for police practices and now instead of sort of cleaning house and looking inside, what is really going on which is from the community members that i spoke to in ferguson, sort of the systemic distrust, the problem with the police department and communities of color, my goodness. this is where you decide to

spend your investigative time on? it's so tone deaf and i think prosecutors are looking at what will and not be tolerated but this is not the time for this. >> i want to continue this on twitter. tweet me what you think. thank you so much. set your dvr, watch 360 whenever you'd like. learn what went on with a police officer at moments like this. >> hey, back up. back up. put your hands up. put your hands up. drop the knife, right now. drop it. >> when police officers make the decision to shoot or not to shoot and how they learn when to make that decision. he's one of the most most wanted killers, the leader of isis tonight and one of the closest people to him. and whether it makes it any easier to get to him when we continue.

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we've experienced tension and turmoil from an encounter in ferguson that lasted about a minute and a half. a shoot or don't shoot decision that took split seconds. so much more may have gone into those seconds or split seconds than you might have first imagined.

equipped with cameras and curb racial profiling. president obama showed encounters. racial tension and legitimate concern about keeping police officers safe. listen to what he said. >> i think ferguson laid there a problem that is not unique to st. louis or that area and not unique to our time and that is a simmering distrust that exists between too many police departments and too many communities of color. whether you're in a big city or in a small community, as eric koult put it, police officers have the right to come home. >> those are two powerful notions. whether it's the suspect or the officer, they play into hard wired parts of human nature like the survival instinct that leads

into efforts of what happens in the mind and body when split second decisions mean the difference between life and death. more on that from our gary tuckman. >> reporter: he gets ready to make life or death decisions. >> police department, hey, talk to me. >> reporter: decisions in a most unique laboratory. >> hey, let me see. >> reporter: corporal jordan ferguson is one of the civilians who volunteered time in this violence confrontation lab with frighteningly realistic actors on this virtual reality screen. >> do you understand? >> yes. >> stand by. >> hey, hey. back up. back up. put your hands up.

put your hands up. drop the knife. drop it. >> reporter: while the volunteers make split second decisions, brain waves and hard rates checked part of an ambitious research project at washington state university partly funded by the defense department with the goal of improving justice in america. >> we don't know yet still 100 some years since teddy roosevelt had the first police firearms training in new york, we still don't know whether there's a connection between the training we give police officers and their performance in a combat situation. >> your proof of insurance and registration. >> you want my driver's license? >> oh my god. >> trefrpers say these volunteer's hearts are generally

racing because it's realistic. many findings from the study will be released by the end of the year but some is pleasured. the volunteers of all races view african american suspects as more threatening than white suspects. but they may have overcompensated because of the bias. >> the surprise was there were more retraining in shooting african-americans than whites. >> police officer, let me see your hands. don't move. stop. >> reporter: the officer never knew if the man had a gun but did not shoot. >> sometimes, we don't know if we made the right decision or wrong decision. we made a decision and live with it the rest of our lives. >> reporter: with the cops guiding me, i pull over a car with a taillight broken. >> sir, take your hands out of your pocket. sir, sir. take your hands out of your

pockets. sir, put your hands on the steering wheel. you're not listening. okay. thank you. that guy looked like he was getting a gun out, so i took it out and pointed at him. >> reporter: this is a lot more to learn after they make it safer for citizens. gary tuckman, cnn, spokane, washington. >> at the white house at the, newly chosen of the 21st century. thank you for being with us. bias against african-american suspects with white police officers. how big is it to effective policing in your opinion? >> i think you potentially have bias from any employee. it's not the race that counts. some of the things we're doing here in the city of baltimore is doing new training on bias based

policing and fair and impartial. getting to the root of the exact things. >> can training with effective in reducing the impact of bias is this. >> absolutely. baltimore is my third police department that i've been in charge of and i've taken on some tough cities. long beach, oakland and now baltimore. when i come in, i build a foundation of tactical proficiency. that's a technical word in the way you give the officer the skills so they slow down. they don't overreact to actions and practice, practice, and practice when they come across those situations, they handle them in a totally different way. >> doesn't everybody have some sort of inherent or implicit bias in how they view other people and often, those place out based on studies in split-second decisions. >> i think every human being has bias and come with bias, including myself and including you. what we have to work through is moving beyond those biases and

enforcing police work based on standards and scenarios. sometimes teaching you to back away from situations. in baltimore, what i'm trying to get across to the officers is using other techniques. like don't just chase the guy in the alley. call for back-up, slow the scene down and put officers around when you can identify them. there are practices you can use to take bias out of the situations. >> in a police department, there's attention to the ferguson police department and lack of diversity, it's a relatively small police department. how important is it that the police force sort of resembles the community that they're policing? >> i think that's a two-fold question. you need diversity not just in race but also in gender. and also into concepts and thought patterns. i think it goes beyond race and ethnicity also. i think the officers who wore

that uniform have to understand what it's like to be in the community and although we may have officers in the city of baltimore, our police force is 52% minority and our city is 64% african-american. what we try to do is get the officers out of the academy, away from the theory and get into the community. you understand the culture, norms and issues inside the community. i think that is even more critical than the diversity. >> commissioner, i appreciate you taking the time to talk us. as always, you can find a whole lot more on this story and others on cnn.com. ahead, the leader of isis is now in custody. the question now is could this woman who's in custody be the key to his capture? i've had surgery, and yes, i have occasional constipation.

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potentially major break in the hunt for isis leader abu bakr al-baghdadi. $10 million for information leading to his capture. that's how big a target he is. someone close to him is

arrested. one of al b-baghdadi's wives isn custody. who is this woman and what kind of information she may have, if any? >> reporter: i was told she was a former wife of abu bakr al-baghdadi and contacted him. there's the personal connection but in addition to that, told by lebanese intelligence officials she's believed to have a role, some significant role in the terrorist organization. gave her intelligence value enough to make her the target of this operation. she wasn't picked up by accident. she was the target and considered to have intelligence value because of those connections. >> and multiple countries were

involved. the u.s. as well? >> what lebanese officials are saying is that multiple countries with lebanon, syria interestingly and iraq, the u.s. provided additional assistance to this. the cia would not comment. we know the cia has a working relationship with lebanese intelligence here. so that combination just shows you this very complicated war going on. imagine that syria, the regime of bashar al assad, lebanon with iraq and the possible assistance of the u.s., it shows one of the very complicated, you don't want to call it an alliance or cooperation but at least a sharing of resources among those parties. >> strange bedfellows. jim schuhto, thank you very much. how do you think this could be and whether she's a current wife or former wife, how valuable is

she? >> it's because the intelligence is a slog, anderson. it's about a thousand pieces of information. this guy has been under a microscope forever. you want to know who he is and who he talks to. people like couriers. sort of like the sliver that led us to bin laden. wasn't a lightbulb moment but a sliver that allowed us on the courier network. that's the tiny piece she might be able to provide. >> there's obviously ethical issues at play here. i mean, i remember reading about egyptian intelligence mubarak used to use family members against people they didn't like. they would arrest them, threaten them. does lebanese intelligence do that sort of thing? >>. >> reporter: boy, in my business at the agency, we talk about these issues.

it was interesting when i talked to the media on this, anderson, they jumped quickly to the question of what she knew. was she a member or affiliated with isis? if she's an ex-wife, then she's an innocent person potentially with a child. you could question, see if she'll cooperate but the first hurdle before we deal with what she knows, how hard can you press her based on that affiliation? that's an ethical question. >> there was an operation. the iraq, u.s. helping iraqis in some ways and perhaps in some ways we don't know about. how much access will the u.s. have to intelligence gained from her? >> reporter: boy, this is a handle with care situation because you don't know how other security services are going to handle her. you want to be careful about affiliating with people who might mistreat her.

there's a second question too. if you're not in the room for a questioning operation at the same time, not just looking through a mirror, but in the room with them, you're dealing with having to pass questions through an intermediary. my experience, that's really inefficient and can't cut to the chase as quickly as you want to. this is a matter of time here, anderson. chasing somebody down. go ahead. >> in some cases though, u.s. intelligence has used foreign intelligence services to do dirty work they don't want to do themselves. hasn't -- doesn't the cia or in the past, the cia has used, whether or not it's jordanian intelligence to use methods they don't want to? >>. >> reporter: that's not what i witnessed. you can give something ugly and say, i require confirmation but didn't give a detainee. that's the world i live in. >> phil mud, thank you so much.

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the front lines of the fight against isis and syria, a view you have not seen. nick walsh and the border in syria to have battle to save the city of kabani. here's a first look. >> reporter: we've been taken down this street to the eastern front lines. to protect them from snipers and media, two of the female ypg fighters escorting us down there and this is near the eastern front where there's been much more aintense fighting. speaking to how much of the city is controlled and you see here, quite remarkable devastation caused by the explosives used.

it was quite clear that isis are far from giving up on this fight. trying to take ground every day. the move towards the border crossing, that was a substantial advance. they tried, beaten back by each night, particularly last night, we heard very intense clashes further down this street towards the eastern front here. you can hear the absolute devastation here as we get closer to isis' positions here to the northeast of the city. some of this caused from daily constant sometimes every five minutes, a thump of mortar homemade by isis. it's for months now, you can see turkey just behind this. they're edging through this wreckage closer and closer to

the places that push forward. >> it's pretty dangerous, knick walsh and his crew safely out of syria. a piece of the larger civil war that's about to enter its fourth year. by its count, more than 200,000 people have been killed so far in that war. we follow susan hendrix. >> we start with this. one child and two adults died at this school bus in knoxville, tennessee. 23 others injured. no word yet on what caused that horrific accident. the captain of the doomed costa concordia ship off the rocks of italy in 2012. 32 people went down with the ship. and so far this year, the tsa has confiscated 2,000 guns at america's airport. that's a new record and the

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the top of the hour, a cnn investigati investigative documentary called deadly high. the dealers that are cashing in. some of the drugs are designed to mimic lsd. two teenagers took a type of synthetic lsd. christian bork and elijah died days apart. drew's investigation led them to charles carlton, a dealer facing a long prison sentence. here's a preview. >> i started ordering, you know, what people would call designer drugs off the internet and experimenting with those. and just realized that there's money to be made in distributing

them in small quantities. >> reporter: carlton had an idea to turn synthetic hallucinogens into a business. those like him, interested in experimenting with synthetic highs. his web site called motion research would be for drug enthusists. >> we could put things in people's hands they couldn't get otherwise but it was turning into a real business, at least make a go of it. >> reporter: though the company's product mimicked the drug, lsd, they weren't yet scheduled or banned in the united states. he set up shop in this office building, even registered with the secretary of state and went to work. >> i was an employee of my own company getting a w 2. we have full payroll services. it was as legitimate as it could

be. we knew we were walking a very fine line as far as the law was concerned but at the same time, we thought we were on the right side of it. >> without so much of leaving his computer, carlton said he and his two colleagues were repackaging in bulk to 30 to 40 orders a day. >> it's fairly easy to find chemical suppliers. the product sells itself generally as much as it you can get, you can get rid of it pretty quickly. >> reporter: motion resource in all 50 states and profits were rolling in. >> carlton was not unlike any other drug trafficker. he's looking for the best product at the lowest price, and so he would obtain his product from the best suppliers he could find. >> what is a little different is that he was able to do all of this in the comfort of his own

study in his house. >> right. >> basically, he set up this business from a computer that was hooked up to the internet. >> right. he set up a large scale drug trafficking organization by using his computer. >> that, to me, is scary. >> it is scary because of the ability to mass market their product to an enormous customer base under the guise of a legitimate business. >> carlton felt that guise would as long as they agree to the stamp that none of what he was selling would actually be consumed. >> what was the phrase? >> for analytical and research purposes only. >> what would be that person other than to consume and experience the high? >> that's a good question. make no mistake, we knew people were consuming it.

i don't know how it grew so fast but it got to the point we processed $40,000 to 50,000 a month in credit card payments. >> thought i got a legitimate shop going here? >> did well. >> motion research was up for months until carlton saw a story on the news. >> i saw a story in north dakota of an overdose and pretty quickly there was a tv news report. and they showed a baggy that said 25 volume on it and we used specific bags. we had a special label maker that printed on clear labels. it was blatantly obvious that it

was ours. it's really fascinating. it's not what you think of as a drug dealer. why did he agree to talk? >> he has what i would call an acquired remorse. the more he talked in this interview, he got more remor remorseful in his situation. he's in suburban houston, a wife, the whole world in front of him and sees the knews. the great i'm ahead of the law killed two kids. it crushed him. i think this was the one thing he could do he thought to do something positive in his life before his life basically became a jail term. >> drew griffin with a lot more on this the top of the hour. more on cnn deadly high, how synthetic drugs are killing kids on cnn. up next, a familiar face. first, remind you to tune in sunday for cnn heroes, an

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tonight, our favorite drunk on call. the godfather of the ridiculous. gerard jepardu. invited to do a solemn poetry reading at a commemoration in belgium but didn't get to the poem and visibly drunk. it's in french with the translation subtitle. hmm, drunk or just french? you make the call. some audience members laughed as he put his hands in the air, asked what page he was on and told everyone to piss off.

>> seemed to go really well. he makes no apologies for his love. he claimed to drink 12 to 14 bottles of wine a day. not glasses, bottles. in the same interview, reportedly said he killed two lions but it's of course what happened in 2011 that was go down in ridulist history. told he could not go to the bathroom and promptly paid on the floor. after gerard took his solo flight to nation, dealed with the golden winning tinkle. all i should say is they should thank their lucky stars it wasn't depppardu. sorry, made me giggle every time i read it. he hasn't commented on this incident.

departu. i know you got it, but. sorry. >> sorry, this has actually never happened to me. >> all right, sorry. all right. >> oh, that was three years and seemed like yesterday. we are reading for you, jepardu. time to vote for your favorite

ridiculist. count down your top five at the end of the year. that does it for us tonight. see you at 11 p.m. eastern. deadly high starts now. vitac . >> the following is a cnn special report. >> he started to foam at the mouth, convulsing uncontrollably. >> this is the only time we said, hey, there's this danger on the streets. >> deadly new on the streets. >> the trees looked like call flowers dancing around. >> once they alter the chemical. >> we process 40,000 to 5,000 dollars in chemicals. >>