de -- deborah, what have you been seeing? >> now we are headed done to madison square garden. we have been to rockefeller center. we have been to the west side highway. 72nd street. lincoln center. down past columbus circle. on to madison square garden. picking up people as we go. and i show you also how peaceful it is. you can see the nypd communities affairs officers out in force. they're walking behind the crowd. keeping somewhat respectful distance. not engaging. behind me over here. you can't see. there are a dozen police cars, different cruisers, that are also sort of keeping the crowd moving. the crowd is moving on its own. but they're being helped. sort of propelled forward. this is a very organic crowd. everybody is moving together. it is largely peaceful. and they're just going. i asked one person, well where are you going. and they said they don't really know. they are just kind of walking.

so, we are headed in the direction, union square. which is down at 14th street. a mile south of here. you can see, madison square garden. to my right. protesters going strong. couple hundred of them. keep walking with them, don. >> deborah feyerick. get back to you. my colleagues are in the field tonight the we will get to them as warranted here this evening. i wanted to discuss all this. bring in now, my legal experts. police experts as well. jeffrey toobin. mark o'mara. sunny hostin, a former detective. worked as a police officer. police academy instructor. tom joins me here tonight on set. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. no indictment tonight. i want you to play a little bit from eric garner's mother.

>>truly disappointed in the grand jury decision this evening. i don't know what video they were looking at. evidently it wasn't the same one the rest of the world was looking at. how sccould we put our trust in the justice system when they fail us like this? they didn't only fail me, they failed many of us. and -- if we don't take care of this, they may fail you in the future. >> this family is -- very eloquent and very strong. to be this close after this announcement. after listening to the family. what does a family do now. what can they do? what are their options in court? >> i wasn't in new york city.

a native new yorker in district of columbia for the department of justice. i was a federal prosecutor. but i think -- at this point the family is definitely looking toward the justice department. the federal cyst temperatusyste. their reliance on that is pretty well placed. when you look at the history of unsuccessful state prosecutions and unsuccessful state investigations, then turning into successful federal investigations, and successful federal prosecutions, like rodney king, we have a long history of that. i think if we have fair, impartial. independent review by the justice department as attorney generalindicated, i think perhaps, this is the case, where, the family will feel that justice will be served. i would not be surprised if we did not see an indictment on federal charges in this case. i think this video is just stow,

very clear. it is the best evidence, in my view. in the civil rights violation. >> and, jeffrey. go ahead. >> don, to add one point. they are going to sue the city of new york for millions of dollars. and the taxpayers are going to wind up paying eric garner's family a great deal of money. the city of new york is not going to want to try this case. they're going to settle the case. so this police officer, he is not going to be pros krecuted o state charges. he cost the taxpayers a great deal of money not to mention of course, more importantly, costing eric garner his life. >> tom, want to go to you now. as a former nypd officer and training officer, to the average lay person. it looks like the officers are, are untouchable. tell me the police point of view in this? >> i think the police are shocked the officer was not

indicted. because of what happened in ferguson and recent events. in police involved shootings. i think the police were under the impression he would be indicted under political pressure. people would not seat evidence in front of them. >> you are surprised? >> i was surprised he was not indicted to be honest. i am glad he wasn't. i don't know of any other officer that really would have done all that much different. you know, monday morning quarterback the situation, any one could come up with a thou santd wthou -- thou sasand ways. my condolences to the garner family. talking about shom some one that died. some one did die as a result of the incident. on the flip side people make choices when they're interacting with police. when police have told them. whether they're selling cocaine, untaxed cigarettes. whatever crime they're enforcing at the time. they let this person know they're under arrest. they are to comply with the

lawful orders of the officer at that point, mr. garner was not doing that. his hand were not behind his back. not being cuffed willfully. one officer tried to grab his hand to cuff him in the beginning of it and he pulled away. don't touch me. don't touch me. that is not going to go on for hours on end. he was no stranger to the criminal justice system. arrested 30 odd times. >> the medical examiner, said homicide by compression of chest, prone positioning physical restraint of police. if the medical examiner ruled it a homicide. people are wondering, well then, why no indictment. >> well, i think bah tecause th grand jury looked at it. tried to decide what the officer did wrong. and for whatever reason. we have to remember, the grand jury, saw a lot more than what we have seen. and we have to give them some leeway in the decision they

made. having said that. when you look at the statute. you have to show the officer acted in a criminally negligent way. the grand jury looking at what he did. the type of hold his testimony for a couple hours before then. made a decision that at this point we should respect until we find out a touch more. that it didn't rise to the level of a probable cause charge. it surprises us, the videotape seems to show improper behavior. they're going to pay a bunch of money. i dent thion't think he can getd in the state. i don't think he will get charged federally either. probably. >> you differ with jeffrey. jeff toobin says a better chance than officer wilson in ferguson. >> well, darren wilson is not going to get charged federally. i think everyone agrees. haven't heard an analyst suggest differently on that. my reason, i disagree with jeff and sunny a little bit. there are exceptions, rodney king, however those are the huge

exceptions. normally, when a person is not prosecuted at the state level they're also not prosecuted at the federal level. with 23 people looking at the case, two, three months we have to presume they did not tact out of pure ignorance. they looked at evidence we are not aware of. and the federal government is going to seat same evidence. >> i think we could also presume, mark. perhaps it is the way the prosecutors office presented the case in front of the grand jury that led the grand jury not to indict. >> absolutely true. >> watching all of you all day here. been on with you. and, even, in my office you look at bed lathe body language. police officers, police side in this case, the analysts people who come on. they say how can you look at that? it speaks to the distrust of the community. and the analysts. see the people on.

how do you not see that? so then -- what, what are do we do here to bridge that gap? because, police don't steam eeme budging. the community doesn't seem to be budging. what gives here, tom? >> well here is one example i could do, don, if i might say. >> and the policing. i'm sorry. we talk about community policing. this is an example that these people, the cops, should have community policed better than this. if he is selling, loosies. and get six people thrown on top of him. if they had an insight as to how to build relationship. maybe he could be an example how we are going to get along with the community. rather than how we will be cuffed with the community. tom. >> right. >> and, as we discussed before. selling loosies is quality of life type of crime. which the community complains about. they bring complaints to the commanding officer of the precinct or politicians who cover the area. who then tell the cops. go out and enforce those quality of life laws.

and when they do that -- you come into this conflict. >> deal with the crack dealers first. >> you touched on the point i was going to make. so you can have marijuana now. right? in new york city. you saw the police commissioner, mayor. come on with the big bag. they were right, why not just write the guy a summons as you do for people who are selling, you know, don't have a vendor's license on the street? awe th i don't know what decision was made by supervisor on the scene. which, which, warranted them to arrest him. in some cases you can write a summons. in some you can't. a summons is in lieu of arrest. >> come on. come on. >> he has a criminal record. you know, if he, maybe a warrant check. maybe his name came back. >> selling loosie, violation punishable by a fine. not talking major crime. >> i'm not disputing that. but people have to be eligible to receive a criminal court summons. in some cases they're not. the supervisor on the scene,

directed their officers to make the arrest. at some point. we don't know. >> these actions are indefensible. indefensible. when you look at the largerer to he , what can we do to build the trust between the community, what can we do to take measure this doesn't happen. i have been a proponent for body cameras on police officers quite some time. that protects the officers. >> we talked earlier would it have made a difference in the case? >> that's just the very beginning. i think we also need how to train our officers on bias. i think we also need to train our officers on, escalation of force. why would you take somebody down for a violation? why not, not try to de-escalate the season. >> there is a continuum. there is a conton yinuum all officers use. >> i didn't see it in this case. >> there absolutely was. in normal circumstances, the professional presence of the

police in some cases can deter or prevent a crime from happening. here we had some one, low level crime, vocal command were such. he was untd arrest. at that point. turn around. put his hand behind his back. he didn't do that. by not complying he is automatically resisting. >> i didn't see resisting. that's absurd. >> i was a prosecutor in brooklyn. and i love cops. i worked with cops all the time. >> ditto. >> this is a disgrace. this is a disgrace is what happened here. cops are supposed to have judgment. and tom, for you to say, well if you are going to arrest somebody for cocaine, arrest some body for loosies, all the same thing. no it is not. no it is not. >> are you familiar -- >> yes. >> esteemed panel. sure you are aware of this. taking care of low level crimes, quality of life issues around the city will prevent or not cause the larger crimes to occur or some times people who are committing lower crimes have committed the larger crimes when they get out of prison and come back. >> the broken window theory.

can i just, can i just, to, sorry to interrupt mark. the broken windows theory, in no way endorses strangling to death people who are. >> knob wnobody was strangled. they used physical force. >> homicide by chokehold. how is that not sprang sntrangl. >> not complying with officers command under arrest. >> one thing. the cops exercise judgment all the time. and the judgment in this circumstance was appalling at best. criminal at worst. and the idea that any one can justify arresting someone for, for selling loosies, in a confrontation that end in homicide is just inconceivable to me. >> mark o'mara. >> there is no appellate process

on the street. you have to listen to what a cop says even if you don't like it. because then you file a complaint. the problem with cops, when not getting out of a car, not affect waiting an arrest, when you do it, it's true. when you battle with a cop on the street. >> did you see a battle? >> there is no battle. did you see a battle? did you see resistance? physicality? aggression? >> sunny. sunny. sunny. >> sunny. >> let's not use rhetoric. call it what it is? >> no rhetoric, sunny. here is what we're saying. everyone has to be more careful with respecting cops on the street. not in this particular case. itch there is that concern about the escalation of activity between two people. cops on the street are going to win those battles. we have to be aware that that's true. you as a former prosecutor know it very well. you protected cops who had to act in a way in affect waiting arrests doing what they did. all i'm saying. this par t particular case.

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>> welcome back, everyone. breaking news tonight. protest spreading across the streets of new york city. in the whack ake of the chokeho death of eric garner. deborah feyerick. last time you were talking times square, uptown. where are you now? >> reporter: well we are in times square, walking past madison square garden. now union square. the freedom tower is sort of way, way in the distance there. they're marching against traffic. that's one of the goals of the demonstrators was to take the streets. was to block traffic. it is one of the reasons that they went to the west side highway. they were able to take control of both side of the highway. backing up traffic for, for, miles. but the energy continues to swell. you know, it will get quiet for

a little bit. then all of a sudden there is a th huge swell, cry, protesters chanting. making sure people understand, how unhappy they are with the failure to indict the police officer. in the chokehold of eric garner, don? >> all right. deborah fererick. deb out in the protests right now. now i want to turn to what we know about the officer in the this case. joining me now, a civil rights attorney. won a lawsuit against new york police. and specifically against officer pantaleo. you want, you want a suit against pantaleo, your reaction today? >> i wasn't surprised at the failure of the grand jury to indict. it has to do with what we all thought. the district attorney's office in staten island works day in and day out with the police department. th they're too close.

too interwoven. protect the da. to work in their office to. think there would be an indictment. a high bar. >> circumstances of the case you within. a car was pulled over with a client, number of people, correct. and then officer pantaleo was a -- among a group of officers. >> correct. >> pantaleo accused our clients of being in possession of drugs that they found on one person. claiming that the drugs were in plain view. so that all in the vehicle, including my clients would be linked to it. >> where there was a strip search involved? >> public strip search. both clients identified pantaleo involved in searches. >> want to read this from the officer. i be cam a police officer to help people and protect those who can't protect themselves. what do you say? what do you make of this? >> i guess he deserves credit for being contrite. i think it falls short of being

an apology. i don't think it addresses the frustration that people feel here. there is a, there is an open wound here between the police and the community. >> i interviewed police commissioner bill bratton of new york city earlier. he said that he would make the determination about whether the officer should be fired. do you think he should fire officer pantaleo. >> i think he should. for all the good officers who do their job every day. this is an officer who blatantly violated a rule on the books for over 20 years. you just can't do a chokehold. and, and, keep your, badge and your gun. >> system wide problem? >> i do think it is. we know that these allegations are, are, freak went, underpunished. underinvestigated. >> brent klein. thank you. thank you for joining us on cnn. come back any time. we will follow the protests in new york city. after a grand jury decide nogt to indict the officer in the death of eric garner in july,

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breaking news. protests on the streets of new york city in the wake of the grand jury decision not to indict. a police officer who put eric garner in that now infamous chokehold. joining me to discuss all this, my cnn colleagues, welcome to the evening. past your bedtime. >> it is. >> very serious subject. talking a lot about ferguson. now we have the eric garner thing. to most people the video tells the story. apparently didn't for the grand jury. >> well, look, i think the video does tell the story. the question is this was ruled a homicide. the question for the grand jury was the crime was committed. did the force they use, may have killed him was it justified in the circumstances. they felt it was justifiable.

>> if you watch the video. goes from 0 to 100. >> absolutely. it's heartbreaking. >> somebody is dying. >> we are watching someone die. for basically either the police said, selling cigarettes. >> resisting arest. >> for being noncompliant. all he is doing. you know what he says on the video. i had forgotten this. every time you see me, you mess with me. i am tired of it. it stops today. i am sick of it. i am minding my own business. i'm not selling anything. so he is just saying to them. i am sick of it, guys, leave me alone. for that he is dead? a few minutes later. that's the part that feels like couldn't something have happened before the end. >> that's, the legitimate question. could they have done something else? did they have to use the force they used? i think that's what's creating the trouble. bleeding into every part of the process. if you mess with the cops, it is going to be an ugly situation.

that is an immutable truth. it always has been and will be. >> you are allowed to mouth off off to the police. >> you can mouth off. when they say -- >> you are allowed to. >> it's not a good idea. i am allowed to. i don't end up dead. >> i feel like i am not allowed to mouth off off to police. you feel like you can? >> of course. not a good idea. i might get arrested. i will not be killed. >> maybe male, female. black, white. things come night. we saw it in ferguson. seeing it again now. not just about the facts on the ground. the perception of the process. again, we don't know what happened in there. we don't know if the prosecutor wanted it. why does the prosecutor get to look at their own police? i think that is a legitimate question. >> when you have questions abut process what do you do? make it as transparent. >> here is the thing. everyone talking about the rants. hands up. should they have done it. and disciplined.

and this has become, a message that is playing across the country beyond ferguson. this is about, eric garner. this is other cases of people who feel like, excessive force was used. or have than pbeen profiled by . does this bolster the whole hands up? >> how does it not? how does it not once again. you have a situation where people can reasonably look and say. the cops outlaw chokes for themselves. not illegal. >> not their policy. they went use them any more. they're dangerous. misuse them the i grew up learning to choke people, jujitsu. very dangerous. use it if you know what you are doing. they're not going to use it anymore. we see some one choke a guy on the video. he dies. what do you hear from the cops? we will review it. after this is done. and not all chokes are the same. may not be the one we dent waont you using any more. you are justifying as much as

you can. legal and emotional. in both michael brown case. and eric garner case. it escalated quickly. maybe they did start. being aggressive. if the police had done something just a little different. somebody would not have been dead. even if the other person is the aggressor. if the police cannot escalate. back it down. we wouldn't have someone dead. >> i have 20 second left. we need to figure this out. obviously. not just from talking. there need to be more transpairensy. >> our system is the best in the word. doesn't mean it is good enough. you have to have dialogues outside the context of anger. charles is right about that too. >> we do this on new day. yesterday. some states. wisconsin is one. they have an outside

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>> breaking news tonight. >> i can't breathe! i can't breathe! i can't breathe! >> breaking news tonight. protests on the streets of new york. hear protesters sifting there. chanting, i can't breathe. i can't breathe. this is all over the death of eric garner. grand jury decision not to indict the officer. meantime, in los angeles today, there is another law and order story to tell you about. three women joining forces speaking out publicly. saying they were sexually assaulted by bill cosby. their attorney is gloria allred jinz joins me with beth ferrier. how you doing, beth?

>> fine, thank you. >> gloria, thank you both for joining us. you held an emotional press conference today with the three women including beth who alleged they were sexually assaulted by bill cosby. what is your message? >> well my message is, don, one that i am sending to bill cosby. and that is, it is time for justice. and it's time for accountability. it's time to end the nightmare and let's provide a way for these alleged victims to have their day in court. i propose two options to mr. cosby. one is, he could waive and give up and not assert the statute of limitations. so many of the women across the country who have contacted me would not be able to file a lawsuit. they could file it. it could be dismissed if he asserted it was too late for them to have filed the lawsuit. statute of limitations. arbitrary timetable set by law.

>> number two? >> if he would waive that. they could have a trial. and then he could testify. they could testify. a judge and jury could decide if he is telling truth or if they're telling the truth. two is, he could decide, to have this done confidentiality. he could have a panel of retired judges, that's what i am proposing, they could act as arbitrators. the victims who allege that they have been the victims of sexual misconduct or drugging or beth by mr. cosby could go before the retired judges in the retired judges offices and present their claims. mr. kocosby could present his defenses to retired judges. if the retired judges found any merit to the victims' claims they could award damages, as appropriate, as defined as appropriate. in those cases. that could all be done confidence ya

confidence. that would be a day in court for him. >> you know how this works. i want to hear from your client. very important to hear from beth. beth, with all due respect. can you please take us back to what happened with you and bill cosby? >> yes, please. it's as if it happened today. my story is one that's been needed to be shared, i'm coming out, because again, it's the truth. i passed a lie detector test. i have since 1984, when i met mr. cosby, in new york city, i had the opportunity of not only meeting mr. cosby, but also then, entering into a -- relationship with him. at that time, i never knew to the caliber of what that

relationship would entail. once it happened, again, i wanted to have a relationship actually with his producer on a show, jeff brown who is actually some one who i really cared for greatly because mr. cosby was married. i did not feel that his advances were at that time, or any time, what i needed to do. and wanted to do. but he would not let that go. and now here i am. at 55, coming forward once again, only to support something that for the last nine years has haunted me. "national enquirer" took my story. >> the "national enquirer" back in 2005. >> 2005. >> i will get to it. you were a model in the 80s. you met will cosby. >> yes, i was. >> what you are saying, you had an affair with him?

>> my understanding. >> when you broke it off the alleged assault happened? >> yes. that is true. >> then you told your story, back in 2005 to the "national enquirer." they never published your interview, what happened? >> well, a great question. because, until this week, thank you to cnn broke the story the deposition came forth that mr. cosby in fact in court mentioned my name and stated that -- with the piece, that he was most concerned about my story. because they took my book and my lie detector test which they submitted to him and he was aware of what was going on. and they took that. and nothing happened. i never heard another word other than that "people" magazine was brave enough to then believe in

another jane doe and myself, bobbi bowman, tamara green and produced the story once the court case that day was settled out of court. >> all of that. all of this started to, to, roll out. and, here we are. but i have to ask you. >> yes. >> was it similar? were you, do you claim to be drugged like all the other, did he drug you like all of the other women are saying? >> yes, he did. yes, he did. >> that was after she alleges she terminated the relationship with him. that she then alleges that, you know, that he put something in her drink. >> did you speak to him? >> he put something in your drink. then what happened? >> well, as in my interview today, with ms. allred, it's the same thing over and over. not a lot other than i confronted him.

directly, that evening. or that morning, actually in denver, colorado, at the oxford hotel. i want to him. and he said to me again, you come in, lay down, lay next to me, you must have had too much off to drink. it was essentially from there that i -- broke off -- again, never saw him again until 1988. because you have to understand he continued to contact me, and offer me trips with, anywhere, taos, tahoe, and vegas all these places if i would say no. i would say absolutely no the he called my family. he would call my mother. call everyone trying to find me. i just refused. but i did go and several times see him in new york on the set. at his silver star studios when they moved set. because, i felt that with, i had my friend with me on the set, that, that i could show him that i was doing very well. and i was alive and strong. >> it was easier because you had friend, safety in numbers.

>> absolutely. >> it is still raw for you. welling up. tough to talk about this. you have been carrying this around for a long time? >> my life ended the day i met bill cosby. it did. it did. >> why do you say that? >> she is an empowered woman now that she knows there are people who will listen to her. and there are those who, who, really, believe her and understand that she has been through a lot. she was a jane doe in andrea's lawsuit. the one that was ultimately settled. the one involving bill cosby. >> gloria, i can't let this go by. you said your life ended the day you met bill cosby. why do you say that? >> because he is, i am a christian, he is as powerful or more powerful than god. and you don't, you don't mess with god.

so -- >> he has that much power. >> i learned my lessons. >> yes, sir, absolutely. absolutely. the word that you hear from the other women. i have never met any of the other women the i requested that. i hope you, cnn, are brave enough. we are here, we are proud. we are alive. we're hearing things happened in new york, about humanity and justice, we want our story heard too. we're up there in the humanity piece, please. that's why we have gloria allred with us, please, because no one would listen to us. >> what would you look to hear from bill cosby? >> i would look to see him face to face. i would like this foundation, fund, one of the proposed pieces he will take it seriously. not stronghold any longer. and -- get serious. and take the right step. >> all about justice. all about accountability. >> justice.

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this is our breaking news tonight on cnn. protesters in new york city. just hours after a grand jury decision not to indict an nypd officer in the chokehold death of eric garner. back with me, former nypd detective, tom bernie, a training officer, correct? >> patrol officer on the street for a number of year. trained recruits in the academy. working for chief of community affairs, as an officer, responded to city wide incidents like this. >> it is tough for people to have sympathy for police in light of what happened. >> yeah. >> want to take the opportunity to get the policeman's point of view. because there are people who know police have been, been

beaten up a lot here. and are not getting a fair shake. right or wrong. whatever. i still want to get your side here. what do you think? >> well i think what people, what i would like for people to fry to do is take each of these incidents and perspective and, if possible, so, so facts and evidence come forth. they can better make their own opinions about this. everyone has got a monday morning quarterback everything. >> i think that is a given. as i sit here and i look. i just, just, an observer to most of the conversation that you guys were having. they're saying one thing. you're saying it other. no one is giving. have you learned everything, did you learn everything here that you could, could, an officer you could take back for training? >> i think what is going to happen. because of this case is that, i think a large majority of officers, what i am afraid of, they're going to sequester on guess themselves. try to make split second decisions in the streets. a very dangerous thing. one split second. can make the difference of them

making the decision. being on the floor themselves. >> why do you think that would happen when it is not. it doesn't happen very often. that a police officer gets indicted. why do you think that would hap snen a -- happen? after a careful review of the evidence, the facts in these cases when people are brought into the grand jury. that's what they have to weigh. they can't weigh public perception. perception is 9/10 of the law. court of law. grand jury. looking to indict someone. you have to be as impartial as possible. and base your decision. you have to remember the officers are innocent. until they're proven, guilty. so we have to give them the benefit of the doubt. as would anyone else. >> police officers are dangerous, tough job. i would not want to bea police officer. >> i had hair when i started, 22, 23 years ago. >> do you think, what do you think that went through the officer's mind? asking you this. >> as he was trying to take him down. i think they made a decision at some point, not, nonverbal

decision that they at some point were going to try to get him physically to the ground. >> have you ever done a chokehold? >> i don't think in the respect that i can recall. it may have happened. i have had to wrestle people to the ground. much larger. not an easy tax. >> not in that correct. haw haw i don't think i did an official chokehold the i tried to grab onto some one to bring them to the ground. >> how would you handle the situation? monday morning quarterback? >> hard to say, if i had been the officer, would i have done it the same. hypothetical, speculation the i may have done it the same. may not have. >> have to go. should he be fired? >> should he be fired. if he is found not guilty in the department trial. he will not be fired. found guilty of any violating any procedures, he could be fired. could have time taken away from him. could be all kind of punitive damage. measures taken against him. >> thank you, tom verni.

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either old buildings, old barns. >> the goal is serious, but there is definitely quirk in this work. >> so this would be a creepy doll collection why. do we have it? i don't really know, have any idea other than we find a lot of creepy dolls. >> trash isn't all he need to look out for on the river. >> one of the safety concerns is actually the flying carp. they really do fly out of the water. high speed. they get rather big. >> yeah. >> all part of chad's work. work that also include growing trees. chad started this environmental effort in 2007, but was able to expand it after being named cnn hero of the year. in the end, chad's crusade is about much more than cleaning rivers. >> it is about people taking action in their own communitieses. what it is all about. that's huh yow you change the w. >> you can see more from chad in rescuing the river, cnn heroes special, friday night. on sunday, we will announce this year's top honoree on cnn heroes

all-star tribute. star-studded evening. sunday night, 8:00 p.m. eastern. go to cnn.com/heroes. thank you for joining us tonight. i'm don lemon. our coverage continues now. joined from the cnn center in atlanta. >> thanks so much. hello and welcome to our viewers all around the world. >> we will hold things down for you at cnn for the next four hours. coming up this hour, we'll show you as one family's pain spreads nationwide. >> and for my son which i will never see again, this thing is just breaking my heart, just pulling me apart. >> another grand jury decision in a police shooting case triggers protests. and the federal government is stepping in. we are on the ground in new york city. even and we'll take you to kobani and the battle front in