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protests in baltimore, raleigh, much bigger than last night. more are gathering as our breaking news coverage continues with ac 360. good evening, thank you very much for joining us. if you thought last night was a big night for protests in new york, tonight even larger. protests of the killing of eric garner on the front doorstep and sfred spreading all across lower manhattan on the tunnel. same thing is happening around the country. people first packing into the police square in lower manhattan just steps away from the plaza. it's happening elsewhere in the city and in washington, chicago, oakland, california, atlanta, and elsewhere.
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lower manhattan outside of the hollande tunnel. what appears to be hundreds if not thousands of people on the move. we've got correspondents down in the crowds. i want to show you the scene from the brooklyn bridge which had thousands of people crossing over on to the bridge itself. the crowd holding signs, chanting, some carrying candles. there is anger, there is frustration. they are overwhelmingly peaceful, the demonstrators wanting to make their voices heard. we have correspondents, as i said, down in the crowd down there by the brooklyn bridge. by the hollande tunnel. first, go to chris cuomo with protesters. chris, exactly where are you and what's the scene like? >> reporter: we were on the way, anderson, to the hollande tunnel. when we got there, there was police and crowds. so much bigger than last night.
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there was hundreds last night. hard to calculate, but certainly 10,000 at least. and they are now walking down hudson back towards into the tribe tribecka area of manhattan. the streets, a metaphor for shutting down the system. they're shutting down traffic. very eclectic crowd. so much different than ferguson. a lot of young people. it's not unusual to see groups of white kids walking saying "end white supremacy." why are they saying that? you don't have to be a minority to believe in injustice for minorities. also making an interesting point, saying you need the young white people. people from an eclectic background to make change. can't just be about minorities fighting for change. so what is their plan tonight. they're going to keep moving. they believe that is their key to staying a step ahead of the
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police. the police have been mostly hospitable but surrounding squad cars tonight. these people are honking in support. when you walk by, there'll be smiling faces. this gentleman is smiling, hey, how you doing. he'd be more happy if you had a fare with him, but he's happy. no violence and no real hostility. >> chris, it is hard, i know, to get the size of the crowd. but you're saying, you were out there last night, maybe as many as 10,000 people right now? >> reporter: yeah, definitely could be. you and i know the city very well. this crowd that we're in right now stretches about 12 blocks. >> wow. >> reporter: it's thick, as you can see. rick, show how thick it is here. it's hard to do the numbers. i know you do it from the aerial and an estimate somebody per bloc based on the density but
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i'm moved by the ek electricicl the crowd. they're carrying banners tonight, also. diocese of new york, protestants, different religious organizations and activist organizations have joined this. so this is not just a group of ravel rousers. this is not just a bunch of people outraged looking for vengeance like we saw in ferguson. this is like a moving convention of desire for change and we just hope it stays this way, anderson, and we'll follow it throughout the night. >> chris, it is extraordinary to see. both lifelong new yorkers to see these kind of roving demonstrators. from someone not here, it may not look unusual. it is highly unusual. can you explain how the police are trying to respond to this and keep up or keep ahead of it?
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>> reporter: right. now, they have task forces in the city. it's unusual even in big metropolitan areas to deal with exclusively crowd control. they usually corral, they permit. if you break it, they make mass arrests very quickly. however, one, they have huge numbers here. so if they were to make a move and arrest, they could destabilize the situation. several of the officers in the command structure that i've talked to say that's the last thing they want to do is destabilize. so their main tactics tonight are to walk step for step with these protesters. a lot of plain clothes people in the crowd who are obviously officers and they're communicating with other components of the police to make sure they know where they're headed and why. and then you have plain clothes, i haven't seen any riot cops tonight. i heard some were by the brooklyn bridge but there's squad cars and everything at the mix and the melee mapasses.
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they get completely overwhelmed by the crowd and hold caution tape up. some smack on the car and keep on walking. the word from the police they stop at the sign of any vandalism. the first point of this tone in tactic changes from what it it is right now, they start asserting different strategies. for now, it's people exercising their rights. as we well know, no matter how you feel about the decision, there's certainly justification for the desire for discussion on the issues that were presented here. so we're going to keep up with them, anderson, and we'll let you know throughout the night of changes. >> chris cuomo, i've been following him on twitter. you can follow him on twitter as well. he's tweeting during the demonstrations when he's not on air. how he's doing that, not exactly sure. he's multitasking to say the least. we're on for two hours tonight. and brooke baldwin. deborah feyerick is also out there in the crowds.
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deborah, where are you? >> reporter: so, anderson, we're at the west side highway at 14th street. we are basically at a staging area. what you're looking at right now, you're looking at these police vehicles. you're looking at police officers as well. they're wearing the riot helmets as you can see. they're trying to get whatever traffic is on the west side highway off. you can see all of these cars just in front of us. they're stuck right now because police effectively set up a barricade. if you look up, just in this direction, you can see all of those police cars. this is something that happened yesterday. that is, as the protesters come in this direction, the police effectively set up their own barricade, their own perimeter and kind of try to push the protesters off in the other direction. so that's what we're seeing now. we see a couple of helicopters, obviously, that are flying overhead. there's news choppers. there's one that appears to be the same helicopter we saw last night which is the police helicopter and it's the one that has the beam directly on the area we believe the protesters are located.
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it's probably about half a mile from where we are now. but again, what they're doing, they're setting up a barricade in order to make sure that the protesters get off of the highway. >> so deborah -- >> reporter: as you can see, they have the plastic handcuffs. >> so deborah, on the right-hand of the screen. >> reporter: they're setting up the police sign. >> on the right side of the screen, we show thousands of people, i believe, walking up the west side highway where chris cuomo had just been reporting from. so is it your understanding that that crowd is walking towards your location? so if that's the case, they're going to come to the police human barricade, correct? >> reporter: that's exactly right. that's exactly right. you know, that's the police commissioner today, we were at a press conference with him and he said this is a very agile response, the way they're doing it. it's very organic, effectively, the police know where the
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protesters are and then they get ahead of the protesters to try to form these barricades, to try to make sure they can push the protesters because they don't want the repeat of last night which is shutting down the west side highway. they're being preemptive by effectively making sure their cars are in position. when the protesters get here, the protesters are not directly confronting the officers. that's not what they're doing. ken, if you can see -- anderson, see how they're setting up the barricade, it's almost a movable barricade. it's orange. it's all about crowd control. it's about making sure they get the people off and away from the areas they don't want them in. but we're hearing the helicopter that's coming much closer now. so, yes, anderson. they're walking in our direction. >> we continue to cover them when they come up in your area. i want to check in quickly with brooke baldwin down at the bridge. brooke, are you on the bridge itself or are the crowds on the
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bridge? >> reporter: we have now officially, anderson, crossed entirely across the brooklyn bridge. i'm joining you now from dunnbo, one part of brooklyn just on the other end of the brooklyn bridge. if you're just joining us, we started massive peaceful protesters in downtown manhattan right around where the police headquarters are there at city hall and each of your different correspondents have been explaining, each of the groups have been splintering off. it's entirely organic. very organized. there's people with headphones and micaicrmicrophones communicn the crowds, walk with me so we can show them as i'm talking to you, where to go and how. in walking across the entire brooklyn bridge, by the way, we were walking on and sort of still am on the roads, the police had shut it down anticipating that the protesters would want to walk across the
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bridge. i will say just a few minutes ago because the road was not shut on the manhattan bound side of the bridge, there were a couple of protesters incredibly dangerous to cross across the middle. risk their lives to do so and disrupt traffic on the other side. >> right. >> reporter: another thing we noticed, one of the cars passing along had their cell phones. they saw all of these protesters, the hundreds of people crossing across into brooklyn, grab their own cell phones and were shooting everyone walking along. >> brooke, i'm going to jump in here. we'll come back to you because i want to show on the right-hand side of the screen an extraordinary aerial vantage point. you just get a sense of the sheer size of this one demonstration. this is from wabc on the west side highway. from what it looks like, i'm assuming, that i'm assuming is the crowd chris cuomo has been with. thousands of people, as chris was saying, maybe as many as 10,000, we don't have an exact
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number. but thousands of people moving up, not on the sidewalks, moving up on the street amidst traffic heading toward that line of police officers which is where our deborah feyerick has been. again, this is, as experiences of new york city police department, this city has not seen anything like this. certainly as far back as i can remember and i've lived here my entire life. it's an extraordinary scene to see a city like this. the major arteries of the city, the brooklyn bridge. the west side highway and other spots down by the hollande tunnel essentially coming to a standstill. we're going to take a short break. we have legal analysts ahead and talk to two of eric garner's daughters joining us about their thoughts about the protest and about what we learned -- we learned some today about what was said to the grand jury. we learned it from the attorney
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of the police officer accused in the killing of mr. eric garner. we'll talk about what the attorney said was told to the grand jury and whether that actually holds up to the video. and we're going to also show you an extraordinary video you may not have seen already. it's a different vantage point on what happened to mr. garner. it's once he's already on the ground and also once emt actually arrives and the question is, did emt do enough? did they really do anything to try to assist him in his distress? we'll be right back.
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this summer. looking at manhattan's west side highway, a line basically, a barricade of police bands made up put across the west side highway in anticipation of the thousands of people who are on their way to that location heading up toward the police are now waiting for them. we've already seen some remarkable pictures around new york tonight. protesters from one end of lower manhattan and over the bridge into brooklyn. that said, this is not just news in new york. protests in big cities around the country right now as well as in washington, d.c. where athena jones is standing by for us. that what's the scene there? >> reporter: this has been a huge crowd that's only grown in the last couple of hours. the christmas tree was lit and then over to 14th street.
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they blocked the bridge, a major artery heading into and out of the city over to virginia. police came out. police have been out all along but mostly standing by on the sidelines. but when this large crowd, much larger now than it was several hours ago, when they blocked that bridge, the police gave a warning. at least two warnings, the second warning said you are putting the residents in danger, endangering the lives by blocking the major artery. however, this has been a mostly peaceful crowd. periodically, they will stop and block an intersection. people will lie down in front of cars. it's a huge crowd. 500 people i would say. mostly peaceful and i've got to say, a real positive vibe here. they feel like they're really making a difference by coming out to protest. several people have talked about the '60s. look, the eric garner case was caught on video and nothing happened. i feel like our society is
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moving backwards. so if we have to march like the '60s, we're going to march like the '60s. another person said it's seeing people doing something and if you look back to the '60s, this is what it took. marches is what it took. there's a real positive vibe even though they are angry about the tamir case, the eric garner case, the michael brown case. one thing, anderson, it's a diverse crowd. people of all races here. i talked to a white woman, a college student. she's out here to support her friends who are minorities who were racially profiled. here right now, we're heading towards the white house. hard to say. >> athena jones, i appreciate that. because of the developments surrounding the case itself, i want to bring senior legal
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analyst jeffrey toobin and sunny hostin. we watch in new york and atlanta and elsewhere. je jeff, it's extraordinary to see this number of people. where do the protests go from here? >> that's a hard question mostly for the protesters. it reminds me a little bit of the occupy protests a couple of years ago. >> occupy wall street. >> occupy wall street which there was a lot of indignation but petered out because there's no clear attention. for a few days, outrage is an appropriate reason to protest but without an agenda of, we want the following. we're marching to get x, it's hard to imagine how it will continue. obviously, it's not my place to say what the agenda is or should be but that's something to keep an eye on as the days pass.
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>> it's the responsibility of the new york city police department. how they're handling -- it would have been handled in the same way as the new mayor de blasio. sort of let the protesters blow off steam and space, give them some room and don't try to confront directly. >> i think that's right. we see restraint from the officers. we see, i think, the officers not ratcheting things up. we are not seeing the sort of militarization we saw in ferguson. i think that's your constitutional right to peacefully protesting, but for me, i think we have heard from many of sort of the organizers and the participants of these peaceful protests. what the agenda is, what the change is they are seeking. we've heard about body cameras on police officers. we heard about sensitivity
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training. we heard about escalation of force training. i think there are real objectives to the protests. yes, people are frustrated and outraged, but i think it's different than occupy wall street protesters because it does seem to be a sort of a laundry list of changes people are seeking. >> mayor de blasio had a press conference today saying precisely he was going to have the entire police force of new york city. when you talk about 40,000 cops retrained for exactly the kind of things that sunny was talking about. obviously, that's not going to change the protest today, but it's just going to be interesting to see whether that is, whether they perceive that mayor de blasio was on their side or not. >> there's still plenty of questions about what occurred inside the grand jury. we learned new details today and we're going to look at that shortly coming up. it is also important to point out in addition to kind of a new look or reanalysis of the actual
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killing of mr. garner with the multiple videos that we're going to show in a little bit, there's a number of investigations. if you could go over, there's the federal investigation as well as internal new york city police investigation. >> right. the big investigation now is the one led by the u.s. attorney's office for the eastern district of new york led by loretta lynch, nominated as attorney general. that investigation will determine whether any of the police officers involved will be charged with federal criminal offenses. >> is that just civil rights violations or other criminal offenses? >> well, it would be the most apt parallel i think is the rodney king case. the officers were acquitted for exactly the same conduct. they were charged federally with violating rodney king's civil rights. so the question will be, is there a federal criminal case to be made against the officers for violating eric garner's civil rights? what makes those cases difficult
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is the government has to prove some kind of racial or civil rights motivation. you have to prove more than a simply abuse of an individual. you have to prove a level of intent. >> and the government, i agree, the federal government has been very successful in investigating and prosecuting crimes that haven't been successful in the state. i wonder whether or not the investigation is going to proceed rather quickly. we've been learning and hearing that this investigation was sort of already up and running on the back burner waiting to see what happened in staten island. waiting to see what new york state was going to do. i suspect given the outrage, given the protest, this case is on a fast track. i think we're going to hear from the federal government rather quickly. >> there's also an internal nypd investigation of the officers and certainly there will be a civil lawsuit for money. >> i'll talk about that with the
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attorney for the garner family as well as mr. garner's daughters. again, we're seeing the scene here, one of many, several demonstrations happening in the city at this very moment in manhattan. a large crowd. thousands and thousands of demonstrators moving in different spots throughout the city. a hands up, don't shoot, obviously. the refrain we heard in ferguson now echoing the streets of new york city. does what officer daniel pantaleo told the grand jury match up with what is on the video? we'll take a closer look at what he said and the video itself next.
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welcome back as we continue to watch these demonstrations throughout new york. it is difficult. and around the country, frankly, it's difficult to watch the video of eric garner tackled by police because we know it's the last moments of his life. hearing his heartbreaking words, i can't breathe, i can't breathe, i can't breathe. it's important to take a look at the video itself now they they have not decided to indict daniel pantaleo. see if the grand jury matches up on the video. we only know a little. randy cay takes a look. >> reporter: during 2 hour testimony, daniel pantaleo made this bold admission. yes, he told the jurors, he heard eric garner's pleas saying i can't breathe, i can't breathe. this was the moment captured on video.
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>> i can't breathe. >> reporter: pantaleo wasn't talking but his lawyer, lon don, some of what he told the grand jury. he was the jury's last witness. according to his lawyer once he heard garner struggling to breathe, he tried to disentangle himself quickly as he could but it's not clear cut on the video. it appears the officer keeps arms for at least 8 seconds around garner's neck after the first mufled gasp for air. that's pantaleo in the green t-shirt with number 99. watch, he removes his arm but then uses both hands to press eric garner's face into the pavement. the officer keeps pressing long enough for garner to repeat five times, i can't breathe. the officer reportedly testified that since garner could speak, it suggested to him he could also breathe and there's more. officer pantaleo's lawyer said his client told the jury he
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attempted to get off garner as quick as he could. again, look at the video. at least 16 seconds passed between the time eric garner hits the pavement and when the officer removes both his choke hold and hand on his head. does that square off with his testimony getting off as quick as he could but seem to be keeping the firm grasp on garner? and what about this, officer pantaleo reportedly testified he was using a maneuver from the police academy hooking one arm under the suspect's arm and another around his torso, a move meant to tip the person so they lose balance and go to the ground. his lawyer said only as the struggle went on did one of pantaleo's arms move around garner's neck. again, the videotape seems to be telling a different story. the officer's arms around garner's neck two seconds after he first touched him.
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watch again, one arm hooks underneath as he said, but see the other arm, does it appear to go around the torso or immediately around garner's neck? the officer's attorney told the new york times his client testified he was trying to stop eric garner from possibly biting one of the officers. the attorney summed it up this way. he wanted to get across to the grand jury that it was never his intention to injure or harm anyone. randy cay, cnn, new york. >> cnn analyst and former zimmerman attorney, mark o'mara and former federal prosecutor, sunny hostin and retired nypd detective. i heard reports from the officer, saying that's not a choke hold. it does seem his arm is around his neck in two seconds. >> it's still a takedown. i've down that a hundred times and never killed anybody. >> you don't believe that's a
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choke hold? >> as per chokeholds are supposed to do. they're supposed to knock you out in a few seconds. >> throat of the windpipe a choke hold? >> that's what the guy said. it's not against the law but the procedure. if you put arm around the neck, these areas here, when he came like this, this part of the elbow isn't hitting this part of the neck. when you do the takedown. the only way you take down a guy like this who is 6 foot something is a takedown like that. >> he said i tried to get him off as quickly as possible. we see the officer with his knee in the guy's back and pushing his face down to the ground for a long time. >> right. until he was handcuffed. the whole thing is that if he had allowed himself to be
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handcuffed, he would have came up a lot faster. that's what i did. as soon as you got the guy cuffed, you can come off him and it's done. >> sunny, what do you see in the video? >> i'm not going to allow other people to dictate what i see. i mean, i think it's very clear that this was excessive force. i think it's very clear that this was a choke hold. we can call it any other name. you want to call it a takedown, you want to call it an arm around the neck. bottom line is the m.e. made it clear in his findings that eric garner's death was a homicide by constriction of the neck, pressure on the neck, choke hold. >> and compression on the chest. >> i don't want to play smantics with words. we can see this was excessive force and he died from it. >> we haven't seen the full medical examiner's report. it hasn't been released yet. he did say -- i want to see the
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whole report because the whole report will shed light on a lot more things in this. we did say that and been trying to get a hold of it the last four days. it's hard to be a police officer. a lot of people are saying that the cop should have stepped away when he said don't bother me anymore. you can't do that as a police officer. if you don't want cops -- >> but really for a quality of life, i mean, i know this is against the law selling loosy cigarettes. couldn't a summons have been given out? this is a summonsable offense. >> it could have been given out but apparently, they're probably getting some kind of direction because the store owners over there and i talked to people in staten island around the area, the store owners always calling the police on him because they sell cigarettes in their stores. >> they don't want to lose business. mark, i want to bring you in here. this officer is saying he wasn't trying to do a choke hold. that was not his intent and
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under the law, the intent matters. whether he knew to say this wasn't my intent or not, he said he did not intend to strangle or do anything that was a strangle. i think the 2010 said the strangulation law, what has to be proven is the intent to breathing. >> there's another statute that applies, the criminally negative manslaughter and wasn't instructed on that. for whatever reason, decided not to. they know more than we do. i think what happened in this case is escalated. the use of force escalated way too quickly under these circumstances. they had six officers there. they had control over there even though it wasn't full complete control. they knew it wasn't unarmed. it escalated way too quickly. sensitivity training may help but this is a concern when someone dies when they just did
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not need to. >> detective, i want to ask you. the new york news got an internal report back in july. it doesn't mention a choke hold and said mr. garner was not in any great distress. does that surprise you? >> first of all, i haven't seen that. >> you want to actually see it. >> was he in some kind of distress? anytime you wrestle somebody down to the ground, they're in distress. saying i can't breathe to fight you even more. you take the man down. you handcuff him. he was saying he couldn't breathe. i don't think you could say i can't breathe if you're not breathing. >> i think the bottom line is we can try to sort of, you know, play smantics with what happened. i think we should all rely on our eyes. i think we should all rely on
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what we have seen and rely on our common sense. it is clear to me and i think everyone else that has seen this, like mark said, this escalation of force was so unnecessary and i might add that what we're hearing now is that he wasn't even selling loosies that day. e didn't even have cigarettes on him that day. you take all those circumstances. you look at the video, which we can go by thankfully because it exists. it's crystal clear. >> even sometime the video was misleading. >> my eyes aren't lying to me. >> my eyes aren't lying to me. you can see he's down on the ground and people explain how ems came over and none friends came over to help him. she bent over and checked him. heart was breathing. >> we'll show this video shortly because we have a segment on it.
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it's not a question of the frenzy but all she did was checked his pulse and talked like he was conscious. it didn't seem like he was conscious. >> they did cpr and not one police officer checked his pulse. not one. >> he was breathing. >> not one officer. >> he was breathing. you just said cpr. you don't do cpr when they're breathing. >> we take a break. detective, thank you, sunny hostin, mark o'mara. west side highway live. extraordinary scene in new york. southbound on the west side highway. one of the major roads on the island of manhattan. as we look at some of the marchers in manhattan tonight, we talk with new york city's top lawyer who may have to defend the city against lawsuits in this case next. she's still the one for you.
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last we saw you on the west side highway. >> reporter: right. we are now down on the southern tip of manhattan, okay? this is where the staten island ferry is. this is called the south ferry terminal. that was a big location affected during 9/11 where the towers were and the last hurricane that came through, sandy. this was very badly damaged. so what happened was everybody organized here. there was then this reverberating chant that went out from an organizer that went throughout the crowds. everyone you know, come meet us here and then we decide where to go and then just moments ago, they started moving out in one direction and there are 14 of two different streets in southern manhattan and we don't know where they're going to wind up. that's what's happening here. >> about how many people are there now? is this the same crowd you estimated in the thousands before? >> reporter: yes. they organized down here and
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then now they're starting to leave. but it's a very big crowd. i mean, it's definitely in the many thousands. it's hard to know how many. again, anderson, i can't give you the count. it's so much bigger than yesterday. so much bigger than anything we saw in ferguson and many are talking about the occupy movement, these are the same people. it's components of that but a much broader coalition. >> chris, i appreciate you reporting. the decision, the prime motivators of what we see about complaints of police misconduct. every year, the city of new york writes checks of tens of millions of dollars to nypd like other cities do. according to the comptroller, the city paid $185.6 million in settlements in claims against the city. garner family intends to file suit and we talk to garner's two
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daughters. joining us now, top attorney in new york, earlier job, eastern district of new york, mr. carter prosecut prosecuted in the adulima case. is the position of new york city that justice was served in the grand jury proceeding? >> i don't believe so. the city hasn't taken a position whether or not justice was served in this grand jury proceeding. there are processes yet to be resolved as you know the federal government, the department of justice announced they had an ongoing review and now have a parallel an independent investigation that's going on to determine whether or not there are federal civil rights charges brought on the basis of the available evidence. >> as i said, you were involved in the abner louima case.
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>> i think that was different with the motivations to be quite different. i mean, here, they believe there was a prohibited choke hold that was applied and certain consequences appeared to have flown from that. we can see that as evidence by the videotape. so this is a very different circumstance in terms of the quality of proof that's available. >> in terms of for the federal government to make a case, just from a legal standpoint, is the bar much higher? is it much more difficult? in other cases, people said, listen, the best chance for an indictment if an indictment is what you want is the state level, not necessarily the federal level. do you think that's the case here? >> unfortunately, it is. that's the reality is that under state law, because among the
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culpable mental states are recklessness, less culpable states than acting intentionally, there are more charges in the state that will be available under federal civil rights laws that requires at least an intention delivered intent to deprive someone of their civil rights. >> i want to play something we've heard from the head of the police association about the mayor and how the city has handled this. i want to play that for our viewers. >> the police officers felt yesterday after the press conference that they were thrown under the bus. they were out there doing a difficult job in the middle of the night protecting the rights of those to protest, protecting our sons and daughters and the mayor was behind microphones like this throwing them under the bus. >> being critical of the comments the mayor made yesterday. you're a former prosecutor. you have a great appreciation
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for what police do. is the city being supportive of the police? >> the city is being absolutely supportive of the police. what i heard the mayor saying is he was being extraordinarily complimentary of how the police was handling these entirely peaceful demonstrations. he was suggesting he understood the frustration of the protesters and admired the fact that in situations that would have torn other cities apart, that we had extraordinarily diverse crowd last evening and this evening of united, not divided and determined to protest peacefully. you have a new york city police department that is respecting their rights to protest. that's not being unnecessarily confrontational and acting in the best tradition of professionalism. i think that's a tribute to the leadership of both the mayor and
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police commissioner brat ton that's happening this way. >> i appreciate you being on. more of the protests in new york city and around the country. eric garner's daughters on watching that video. >> i wanted to see everybody on the tape. what they had to do, what part did they do? what did they didn't do? teenages and cried out for help. from the surprised designers. who came to the rescue with a brilliant fix male designer: i love it narrator: which created thousands of new customers for the tennis shoes that got torture tested by teenagers. the internet of everything is changing manufacturing. is your network ready?
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family attorney, jonathan moore. >> seeing the protests out on the streets in new york in large numbers, chicago and other cities, i'm wondering when you see when you see the protesters. >> i see love. i see love and support. >> so much support. >> people out tonight, the people out not just in new york and chicago and elsewhere, that's a sign of love? >> yes, anybody who wants to go out there and get our voices heard because we're not just rallying in protest to stand outside and just yelling and screaming. we want to rally until you force these policies. we want to enforce things. we see that you have them but they're not being enforced. like you do something wrong, if i do something wrong, i go to jail or get in trouble with my mother. when it comes to you in uniform, it's like a double standard. >> what's your message to the protester? >> i'm proud that everybody has
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been peaceful for the most part. i just want to keep it peaceful. we did the line on 42nd street. i wasn't able to go out there. but keep it peaceful. we don't want to destroy the city. you burn down that store, you can't shop there. it's not only affecting everybody else but you too. you burn a grocery store, you get no food. so we're not trying to burn down new york city. we just want to get our voices heard and get these policies enforced. >> have you watched that video? >> over and over again. >> i watched the initial night but i didn't watch it over and over again. i see the clip on the tv. i just turn the channel. but the night i have it, i shouldn't have watched it, but i watched it. i felt like i shouldn't have watch it. >> you wachd it a lot. >> it was important to me to watch it. it was hard the few couple of
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times but after watching it over and over again, it's like, this person was standing there and this person has this and this person, you know, the same person who choked him, smushed his head into the ground is like, i wanted to see everybody on the tape, what they had to do, what part did they do, what did they didn't do. >> you raised questions about the emt. >> you see like when people call for not breathing or whatever the case is, they go to immediate action, the defibrillator, the mask with the air pump. they have the, they didn't even check with the stethoscope or do anything for them to take seven or eight people on a stretcher, there's no way. he's a big man. >> he was laying on his side with hands behind his back. i don't know if she was an emt
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or paramedic. the pulse. talking a little bit as if conscious. >> he wasn't conscious. he was already gone. to me, i felt like at that moment was already gone. touched the stomach and didn't move. >> didn't move at all. >> where was your partner? >> we talked, his stomach was moving. >> the final cause of death was homicide as a result of neck compression and chest compression. >> chest compression. how did he get that? because somebody applied pressure. >> jonathan, in terms of where this goes now, obviously, the federal government is now investigating. is that where your focus is? i assume there will be also a civil case as well. >> there will be both of those. we're hoping that there's a quick and thorough federal investigation. i think attorney general holder has promised that. we'll hold him to his word on that. >> is that case a lot harder?
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during the michael brown case, they had said a federal case would be harder but in new york in the past -- >> several cases in the past where a negative outcome or the state hasn't brought a criminal case and in one case, in particular the east district case we brought. >> that video, from your perspective, what do you want people to know about your dad? >> he was happy. always smiling. this is going to be my first year without him. my birthday is on the 28th. he always joked about my birthday being around christmas. that was something i'm going to miss. and also, i want to add he's just a family man. he loved his family. whatever he can do, whether it's
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a family gatheringgatherings, c to play santa claus, barbecues. >> he played santa claus at christmas? >> yes, very much. we were some spoiled children. >> did he actually wear a suit? >> he didn't go as far as wearing a suit, but he wore the hat. and we have a whole bunch of gifts. it's not a christmas we went by we wasn't happy with what we got for christmas. >> thank you so much, and jonathan as well. >> thank you for having us. >> two of the daughters of mr. eric garner who died at the hands of a police officer. our live coverage continues. at the top of the hour, much more ahead on the protests and exactly what happened and did not happen in those critical moments after eric garner collapsed and went down on the ground being held down by police. did police and particularly emergency medical workers who showed up after several moninut,
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