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idf, but officials inside sere wra say israeli warplanes hit targets near damascus today. in a moment we'll talk about what -- about what we know about that and what will happen in terms of relations between israel and syria. question number three, will the u.s. face fallout from its botched military raid in yemen? two hostages including one american were killed. it is a question of whether it is the time for the united states government to reconsider its policy and should the u.s. negotiate for american lives of people being held hostage? question number four, will we learn more about "rolling ston stones "account of an alleged gang rape at uva? the magazine quietly issued an updated apology for the article. they changed their wording. which many say was blaming the victim. meanwhile this week, a
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senate subcommittee will hold a hearing on law enforcement's response to sexual assaults on college campuses across this country. and finally, question number five, who will take home the biggest prize in college football? the list of likely heisman trophy winners is pretty short. one name being mentioned louder than others. who is your pick? we're going to talk about that coming up as well. we begin with this tonight. a sense of calm returning as choke hold protesters made a lot of noise across the country last night, but how long is this calm going to last? syrian government officials in chicago, several churches say that targets inside of syria held peaceful demonstrations right near damascus were bombed right after their sunday services today. today by the israeli air force. some of the parishioners laying on the ground motionless in a human rights group on the different locations. ground there agrees they say a also in the nation's capital, crowds descended on chinatown warehouse was the target and the blocking a major intersection syrian military area outside of there. police told drivers to turn damascus. no confirmation or denial from around. traffic was at a complete sta israel. they have not said anything. standstill. ben wedeman is live in jerusalem still, many people are on edge after last night's bloody with more on that. >> reporter: israel launched two rampage in berkeley, california. that's what you're watching. air strikes on targets in syria sunday according to state-run things got out of hand there. media in damascus. cops in riot gear were using around dusk sunday, two strikes
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tear gas guest protesters. took place. you even had some injuries, one near damascus international blood spilling on to the street airport where according to the syrian observatory for human there. let's go straight to dan simon rights, which monitors events in live for us in berkeley. dan, it looks calm behind you, syria, the target was a storage but boarded up. that's the result of what happened. the vandalism that happened. facility. the second strike was near the town of demas on the road from >> reporter: exactly right. damascus to the lebanthese bord. we're in front of a trader joe's, and the store had its windows smashed in last night. there were no casualty, only material damage and went on to of course, as you know, berkeley is known for its protests. say that the israeli attack was designed to lift the morale of the terror groups primarily the it's famous for. all the way going back to the '60s, why the situation last night turned violent, we don't nusra front in the islamic state know. other than to say it appears after the blows they've received that there was an anarchist from the syrian army. israeli officials declined to fashion within those protesters comment on these reports. according to police. there was some splinter groups israeli media is noting, that started out peacefully however, that in his weekly cab enough, but at some point, people in the crowd became unruly and started throwing ne cabinet meeting sunday, israeli bricks at police officers. prime minister benjamin officers responded using tear netanyahu said israel is closely gas and fired rubber bullets and monitoring the middle east and what is happening with open eyes then things really became and ears and a lot is happening, chaotic. they hit this trader joe's. he said. we will stay informed and we they also hid a wells fargo bank will deal with these unremitting threats and challenges.
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israeli analysts suggest that branch down the street. also targeted a radio shack where we also saw some looting. these words may have been an here's what some of the store employees had to say about that. oblique foreshadowing of the strikes on syria later in the >> next thing you know, that window breaks, that window day. it is widely believed that started breaking. these two windows break. israel was behind a series of air strikes on targets inside and it's like people -- syria since early 2013. the strikes are believed to be >> a guy with a crowbar comes in targeting advanced weapons and starts stealing stuff, as systems destined for transport much as they can get. to the radical lebanese group, >> reporter: six people were hezbollah, a key syrian ally arrested. five adults and one juvenile. which has provided fighters to there were a couple of minor the syrian regime in the ongoing injuries. we're told that two police civil war. ben wedeman, cnn, jerusalem. officers received minor injuries. one of whom had a dislocated >> ben, thank you for that shoulder. but nothing too serious. report. let's bring in phil, a cnn the question, of course, counterterrorism analyst, also tonight, poppy, is are we going to see a repeat of the big former cia and fbi analyst. crowds? let's talk about this strike, and if, so how might the not confirmed by idf yet. protesters react and what type that's typical. idf usually isn't going to say of tactics might police use? anything about this. you do not read this as israel poppy? >> i'm wondering that, dan. have the protesters from last joining the coalition force night talked to you and said fight against isis. >> no, i think this is part of a they think the police handled it correctly? did they think it was excessive much older fight going on for in the police response? many years. do you know if the police are you have a couple potential
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going to use different tactics targets. syria is a military adversary tonight? >> reporter: first of all, it for israel. remains to be seen whether we're the second is going to see a large protest tonight. lebanese/hezbollah, beirut we've seen some movement on social media. international airport is the place where iran sends in people trying to get protesters weaponry for hezbollah. out at 5:00 tonight, but at this weapons going down from that airport into lebanon. >> in temples of whether we are point, we don't know if we're going to hear anything from going to see those crowds. what police plan to do, they haven't released that to us, israel, "a," do we think we will, would it be typical? there are some people who are and "b," bigger picture, in this complaining on twitter, complaining on facebook that police were overzealous in trying to get the protesters to unstable region, what is syria move back. and assad going to do about it. then again, you did have >> i don't think the israelis protesters start throwing will say much. they've done this in the recent projectiles at the police. so police would argue in that past. this is is not without precedent. assad is going to come back and situation, what are they say this is about aiding a supposed to do? they need to get the crowd under terrorist, as he's already said. this has nothing to do with the control. fight. there's not much he can do about of course, all throughout the it. >> how big is this on the scale of things to be concerned about country, we've been seeing a debate about this. in the region? >> i think racked and stacked what type of tactics should against what we're dealing with police officers use in a in syria, al nusra front, arming situation where the protesters get violent? >> we feel for the businesses. these businesses, many independent businessowners have the opposition, this is a close second. this is way down the line.
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to pay for the repair and the >> this is way down the line. i want to talk to you about to pay for the repair and the lost business is a as a resu another case we've been following closely. that is what happened in yemen and the u.s. -- the united states trying to rescue luke somers, the american hostage, and that was a failure and the fallout there from that and from what happened. what we know so far in that attempt, and the fact that, you know, these brave navy s.e.a.l.s, the most elite went in trying to rescue luke somers, found another western hostage there. both of them were shot by the terrorists and later died. as we look at this now, what is your take in terms of if anything strategy-wise needed to change? >> boy, i think before we say it's a failure, as an intelligence professional, believe it or not, i look at this as a partial success. do you know how hard it is halfway around the world to gio locate a terrorist cell, find people in time and space, where they are today, and plan a raid for tomorrow? that's extremely difficult to do in a region like this where you can'thuman assets well.
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>> they hiked six miles. >> the operation didn't work out well, but americans believe after the bin laden operation that they're easy and go off without a hitch. they don't. >> important to point out these men, these forces risked their lives twice in one week to try to rescue this american. i want to take -- have you take a listen to some sound. this is coming from house intelligence chairman mike rogers talking about whether or not we think -- should be rethinking our policy about negotiating. so, listen. then i want your reaction on the other side. >> aqam, al qaeda in the magrahb northern africa, has been taking hostages, contributor to al qaeda in cash payments meaning people were cooperating paying the ransom. when it didn't happen, they to execute their hostages. so we need to understand that this isn't something new.
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i think the sheer terror of the way that isis does it by beheading certainly has gotten into the conscience of america. but they've been engaged in this practice for a very long time. al qaeda as well as isis tactics. >> so, bob baer brought up in the last hour, former cia operative, he says, look, france is paying not for their hostages and is complicating the entire thing for america and for others. >> look, i think we ought to step back here. we've been at this for 13 years and ask simple questions. forget about the national security side. there are families in america who are losing children to beheadings. i'm not talking about the potential of paying money to a terror group, but do we want to have conversations, for example, as we did with beau bergdahl and the taliban prisoners. >> about a swap. >> about a swap. that's something the white house should consider. >> when you're talking about civilians, not soldiers. >> that's correct. >> bergdahl soldier. >> correct. the civilians, protection, journalists in syria, they might be a better way. again, 13 years into this, i would not support trading prisoners for money, but there
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might be a whey to trade prisoners for prisoners in a war that's 13 years old. >> so you say you would not suggest still paying a ransom? >> no. >> i wonder if you can talk about for us from the lens of being a former cia and fbi analyst. is it about danger that it puts those on the ground in? >> it's about two things. first, you're funding an organization and these organizations in places like north africa, central africa, the middle east, across the world that are going to use this money to further recruit people. not just to pay for terror operations but to pay for food, for families. you can fund a lot of people in that part of the world with a million bucks. the first you have to worry about is paying for terror. the second thing you have to worry about, of course, are you going to generate further hostage taking? people say, hey, we don't have to raise money by selling oil. take a few hostages. the americans are now paying. let's do it. >> appreciate the insight. you know, and, again, it cannot be overstated the bravery of these s.e.a.l.s that went in. >> horrific operation. >> dozens of them to try to rescue luke somers.
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relief groups will work to get gifts to iraqi and syrian children, a lot spending the holidays in refugee camps this holiday season. they escaped with their lives but really little else. many of them just the clothes on their back. after the brutal isis fighters attacked their villages. in hopes of providing cheer, samaritan's church is filling 60,000 school boxes filled with school supplies, toiletries, to kids in the refugee camps. donated by families in the united states, canada, and britain. the air lift is on wednesday. also this story, we're continuing to follow very closely, "rolling stone" apologizing for its story about rape at the university of virginia. the main subject of that article has kept silent. though she did speak with the "washington post." we have not heard from the writer of the article since we had her on this program last week. but students, many people on campus, talking about the story.
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uva. the magazine apologized. a lot of critics say that's not enough. a lot of questions surrounding this. are we going to hear from the author of the article this week? we look at the controversy and what people on campus are saying. >> reporter: poppy, tomorrow is the start of finals week here at uva, and as students prepare to go home for the winter break, there is concern about the fallout of the "rolling stone" apology. >> honestly, i was terrified when i heard the news. >> reporter: sexual assault survivors like ashley brown immediately began to worry. after "rolling stone" magazine backed away from its explosive reporting of an alleged gang rape at a university of virginia fraternity house. >> whether or not every letter of it happened exactly as it was written, it doesn't change the fact sexual assault is a huge issue. >> reporter: several survivors we spoke to said there's too much tolerance at uva, where rape is so misunderstood, there's even a nickname for it. >> bad experience, yeah, that's the overwhelming euphemism is
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you had a bad experience with a person or had a bad experience at that party or house or whatever. >> you know what i'm talking about, but i'm not actually saying it. >> reporter: emily powell said she was assaulted by an acquaintance last year. >> i remember crying. i remember crying when it happened. and i remember saying, no and i remember pushing him off of me and then i remember sobbing. >> reporter: according to university officials, 38 uva students reported to the university that they were raped last year. none of those reports led to expulsions, and there's no way of knowing how many more are like emily and didn't report what happened to them. >> you really start wondering, well, is it actually going to do me any good to report? for some people, it's worth it, and for some people, it's not. >> reporter: lira bartell started process of reporting her attack but found it too hard to finish. >> i was having panic attacks on campus. i was literally covering my face
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with a hood and running from class to class because i was so fearful of running into the person that hurt me. >> reporter: eventually bartell dropped her case but she witnessed disturbing scenes like having to carry friends out of frat parties where she says they were drugged. >> people use words like, oh thar that's the rapey frat. >> the majority of the narratives are, you're not hot enough to get into this party, try a different frat. >> reporter: members of the interfraternity council released a statement acknowledging there is a bigger issue saying "we ask our community does not become mired in the details of one specific incident but rather that we continue relentlessly pursuing institutionalized survivor support." a sentiment university president theresa sullivan agrees with. >> there's a piece of our culture that is broken, and i ask your help in coming together as a strong and resilient community to fix it.
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>> reporter: welcome words for survivors like ashley brown. >> i think that that attitude definitely existed, but i will say i think that a lot of the greek system is finally waking up. >> reporter: police continue to investigate that alleged gang rape. in the meantime, we talked to friends of jackie, the woman at the center of the "rolling stone" piece. they say it's become clear to them there were inaccuracies in the story, but they do believe something bad happened to jackie. that's now for police to figure out. poppy? >> jackie stood by her story to the "washington post." thank you very much. well, we see the protests in the streets and now we're seeing athletes on the court, on the field, taking a stand, making their voice heard about the deaths of michael brown in ferguson and eric garner in new york. are we going to see more big-name athletes speaking out? that's next in our fast-forward look at the week ahead.
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college football, who's going to win the heisman trophy this year? winner will be revealed this week. a number of big names in contention. oregon quarterback marcus mariota, a favorite. he has a great individuals statistics record and led his team into the new college football playoff. running back melvin gordon of wisconsin is the nation's leading rusher, but he only gained 67 yards yesterday and his team took a beating in the big 10 title game. alabama's amari cooper considered one of the best receivers in college football. receivers almost never take home the heisman trophy. let's bring in our expert, terence moore, he joins us from atlanta. he's the sports contributor to cnn.com and columnist for mlb.com. so, do you have a favorite for the heisman? >> yeah, first of all, forget the latter two. they don't have a chance in you know what of winning the thing. it's going to be marrioiota by bunch. that's because quarterbacks always win this thing. literally 12 of the 14 last
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heisman trophy winners were quarterbacks. the other thing is he is simply the best quarterback in the country. mariota is. you look at the oregon team, they're ranked number two in the country. take him off the roster, they're barely mediocre. he leads the country in passing efficiency. here, poppy, is what i like about this guy. he throws the ball an awful lot. just two interceptions. that's heisman stuff. >> kind of not fair it's always going to the quarterbacks, but that is not for me or you to decide. i want to talk about a more serious and really focal point right now. that is we have seen even this morning on the field in an nfl game some stars both in the nba, the nfl. we saw reggie bush, the lions coming out and wearing shirts that say "i can't breathe" making a very public vocal statement about the death of eric garner here in staten island and the nonindictment of the police officer. there you also see, we saw derrick rose doing that, his teammates afterwards speaking up supporting him. what is your take on this?
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at athletes speaking out about their personal beliefs on issues like this? some say, good for them, and others say don't do this when you're with the team. >> this is fabulous, and it really goes back to jackie robinson. a lot of people look at jackie robinson as a guy who broke baseball's color barrier but forget jackie robinson was before rosa parks. he was a sports star in ucla. he joins the u.s. army. then he refuses to sit in the back of a bus in texas in 1944. does that sound familiar? he was arrested, nearly court-martialed. after jackie robinson, you had the examples of muhammad ali, the black power protests, '68 at the mexico olympics. here's the thing, poppy. we went through this dead period. we had players, particularly black athletes afraid to say anything. to be the epitome of that was michael jordan who made the infamous statement, the reason
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he doesn't speak out is because white people buy shoes, too. mo hopefully we're going back to the future. >> it's interesting, we did hear lebron james on thursday speaking up in terms of urging society to do better. we had magic johnson praising him for doing that. i want to show you some video just in to cnn of fans, we believe st. louis rams fans, burning rams merchandise today around the game. this, think about what happened a week ago, right? some rams players coming out putting their hands up as they took to the field. what do you make of this of what we're seeing here? >> you know what, i'm going to put this in the same category that some people should look at the ferguson riots in. okay? just because you had rioters in ferguson, missouri, it doesn't mean that everybody was rioting. okay? you know how the media -- not cnn -- but how some of the media tries to make it seem like it's everybody. these are just a few rams fans. i hope that does not deter
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people, athletes out there, prominent athletes from following the leads of a derrick rose or a reggie bush, because these are just a couple of knuckle heads or a few knuckle heads that are trying to intimidate and we should not be intimidated, not on this issue. >> all right. i also want your reaction, it's a good point, right? i mean, video that we show is never emblematic of what everyone is doing or feeling or thinking. listen to this sounds from charles barkley, former famous athlete, known for speaking his mind. fascinating interview with brooke baldwin this week talking about how he thinks the criticism of police in the wake of the grand jury decision in ferguson has gone way too far. listen. >> the notion that white cops are out there just killing black people, that's ridiculous. just flat-out ridiculous. and i challenge any black person to try to make that point. this notion that cops -- cops are actually awesome. you know, they're the only thing in the ghetto between this place being the wild wide west. so this notion that cops are out
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there just killing black men is ridiculous, and i hate that narrative coming out of this entire situation. >> terence, your response? >> well, charles would have a great point if what he said was true, okay? there's nobody saying in mass, black or white people, that all white cops are out to kill black people. what people are saying is the truth, there are a lot of white cops out there who are shooting first and asking questions later when it comes to young black males. that's been the case for centuries, certainly the last few months we've seen cases from arizona to ferguson, missouri, to the two cases in ohio where the 12-year-old boy and the 22-year-old at the walmart, and dayton, ohio, and of course, new york. here's the thing with charles barkley. he's entitled to his opinion. charles does a fabulous job on the nba telecast. we kind of tend to forget that he's an entertainer, number one, so we might be taking him a little bit too seriously on certain things. >> really?
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i mean, he was -- he was very set in his beliefs on this one and clearly a topic very, very important to him, but you are, indeed right, charles barkley does not mince his words. you know what, terranc terence, everyone's talking about it. >> what we said about the dead period of athletes, former athletes refusing to say anything. >> good point. >> at least he's saying something. i like that. although in this plarticular case, many my opinion he's a little bit off. >> terence, good to have you on the program. thank you so much. when we come back, the duke and duchess of cambridge are going to have an action-packed trip in the united states. basketball in brooklyn. a meeting with the president. what else are they going to do? we're going to talk about the royal visit, next. celebrate what's new, the bigger, better menu at red lobster! with more of what you love! try our newest wood-grilled combination! maine lobster, extra jumbo shrimp, and salmon! so hurry in! and sea food differently.
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let me show you what just happened in new york city. the duke and duchess of cambridge arrived for their first ever joint visit to this great city. take a look at the arrival. a huge fanfare at the carlisle hotel just moments ago. big crowd out there. they don't care about the cold. they are excited to see the duke and the duchess. this is part of a three-day whirlwind tour here in new york, also in washington, d.c. also they're going to take in a little bit of basketball. let's talk about what to expect with our royal commentator, victoria. thank you for being with me. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> big visit, first visit. what are they going to do while they're here in new york? >> it's going to be a jam packed couple of days.
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it's all about fund-raising. the widea is to raise as much money as possible for their cha cha charitable organizations. individuals that perhaps their share cause and their passion for their causes. so, really, i think it's a whirlwind couple of days of raising as much money as possible. >> we know that william is going to be in washington meeting with the president. kate will be spending time in harlem with children up there. what is it that they are most passionate about individually? >> i think for william at the moment, certainly he is fighting a crusade in terms of the illegal poaching epidemic. he has said that time is running out for a number of endangered species. the fact he has three engagem t engagements tomorrow centered around conservation and zer zero-tolerance approach, it's quite something he has a meeting with the president. william is second in line to the throne, not first in line. this is an opportunity for him to step up as a statesman, to
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have this time with the president who's a very busy man. it goes to show the world obama is on his side as well. >> what about the time that the duchess is going to be spending? what is most significant to her? we know that they left their son at home because they're doing so much while they're here. what does she care most about? i know $10,000 a seat for one of those events. >> the event you're talking about, of course, is the gala dinner raising money for their alma mater where they met. that event is tuesday night. it's going to be a glittering occasion. tom hanks is giving the post-dinner address. his daughter attended the school in 2004. that's very important to them. tomorrow we're going to see kate out working with young children, disadvantaged children. they're going to have her gift wrapping at a child development center up in harlem. the children are young, 3, 4 years old. they don't really know exactly who it is that's coming to see them but they're excited to see a real life princess. >> i was going to say, a real life princess. on a more serious note, talk about the press. if we can, roll the arrival.
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new york city is a place where many celebrities can walk around to not too much fanfare. when you look at the lights and the crowds and the paparazzi there, what is their relationship with the press? how do they feel? about all of this? >> it's an ongoing struggle. it's an ongoing battle. certainly for william you have to only look at his history, what happened with his mother to understand quite why he's so wary of the press. at the same time, he needs them. this trip is all about raising the profile of his foundation, his charitable endeavors. so he needs the media. i think we're going to see a very friendly william and kate n terms of the media for this trip. already there were complaints they were whisked into the hotel too quickly, yet people did say william did stop and pose for the photographers. >> we saw that. >> he did stop and pose. sometimes he doesn't. i think we're toing to see william -- he really appreciates the importance of this trip and the fact that it's very quick. and so he needs the media. >> and needs people to talk about it. we can also understand where he's coming from. who wants to be in front of the paparazzi all the time? no one.
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appreciate the ek pxpertise. great to have you on the program. thanks for coming in. as that was happening in new york city, today more protests continuing about the nonindictment of the officer in the choke hold death of eric garner. we'll take you live to a report on that straight ahead. (vo) nourished.
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the t-rex. the largest and most complete t rex fossil ever unearthed. excitement over her discovery 20 years ago in south dakota was very short lived. why? the federal government wanted sue for themselves and the collectors soon found themselves in the legal battle of their lives. it is a fascinating story and it is the subject of the cnn film "dinosaur 13" and we're going to s show you a clip here when the fbi agents come and confiscate sue. >> someone calls and say, the fbi has crime scene tape up and are taking sue. 30-some people. it was just insane. i didn't think about it. i grabbed the tape and went under it. i went to the spen mcimen. i could see these idiots tries to pack up my dinosaur, take it away and ruin it.
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>> how dare they? >> unconscionable. i can't imagine anybody being able to do this, here in the united states in america in a free country. >> in order to ensure that this dinosaur can be carefully packed up, we helped. >> it was pretty clear that hay didn't know what they were doing. these people didn't know anything. i mean, most of these guys hardly go out in the field at all. what do they know about preparing a fossil or packing it or anything? >> the larsons were trying to do a little bit of negotiating, put sue under lock and key at our place to prevent damage. >> i said to kevin schieffer, you just tell me, and that fossil won't go anywhere. it's not like it's going to disappear in a briefcase. >> that request was denied. >> i'm lucky enough to be joined by the director of this amazing documentary, todd douglas-miller. thi this was your idea. i didn't know the backstory of sue. when i watched this i was fascinated. why did you make this film? >> we were actually making more of a larger film about pa
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paleotology. we came about this story written in a book, peter larson and co-author wrote. i was reading it while we were on the road. so peter was actually just one scientist that we were going to interview and after reading the book and meeting him, we decided to kind of shift focus and just go right -- >> then pete r larcer larson, a scientist who discovered sue, along with sue who's she named after, is described in the film as being in love with the dinosaur. i mean, what struck me was how personal this was for them. to find something so huge in terms of its significance to the history of this world, and to then have it taken away by the attorney general at the time. >> yeah. >> and never to get it back. >> yeah. that was a fascinating aspect for me. there's some key issues in the film that deal with our criminal justice system and federal government. >> he served prison time. >> the world of it. for me as a filmmaker, i was
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very interested in the personal relationship that somebody could have with, in this case, a dinosaur. >> fossils. >> it became a love affair that lasted, you know, still lasts to this day two decades, you know, after her discovery. >> what has been the -- i know -- well, first of all, most people haven't seen it yet. i got a sneak peek. it's airing on cnn thursday night at 9:00 p.m. but from those -- you did screen it at the field museum in chicago where sue now stands. they paid $7.6 million for sue. what was the reaction at the museum? >> it was -- it was universally positive. everyone there, a lot of the employees, even the volunteers that when you go there show you sue and give the backstory, they didn't even know the story. and there is very little literature or, you know, the plaques that are there don't describe the story. so a lot of these people that had worked there for 10, 20 years, this was the first time that they were, you know, hearing about it. and i think the -- you know, there's been a little bit of pushback from the field museum
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and embracing the full history of the find. and peter larson and the black hills institute. but i think that's going to change. i think, you know, they have this great asset which is sue. you have this other great asset which is peter larson and hopefully they can work together. >> i know peter larson, his team, folks in south dakota, the town, the black hills institute to this day want sue back. would you ever be able to move her, though? realistically, thinking about how delicate -- >> well, sure, you can move anything. >> but would you want to? >> well, you know, what's important for i think for the people of hill city and for just scientific research is just having not only access to her, but possibly a cast, a replica that can make it back to hill city. wouldn't be the real thing. as peter says, she's in a great home in the field museum. millions of people get to see her. having a little piece of her might be a good thing. >> we might have some of the
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video clips we can show you, but what fascinated me throughout the film was the fact there is so much archival footage. you have footage of these scientists on the side of the hill discovering sue. you have footage of the auction at christie's. what was it like for as a director to piece that all together? you even have footage of morris williams whose land it was found on, joking about the deal to sell, when he agreed to sell sue to the scientists. >> it was a complete shock. we did this film on a shoe string budget. we knew once they started handing over footage -- our original idea was to reand -ena everything. we didn't know the stuff existed. we were going to do a traditional film. once they handed over the footage, it wasn't that we could hand it over to a team of editors. every time we went, we got more
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footage, a blessing in disguise. an amazing testament to them, too, how scientifically accurate -- >> that hay documented it. it is a fascinating film. congratulations. you and your team should be really proud. >> thank you. >> i hope every one of you watching watches it on cnn thursday night. good to be with you. thank you. as i said, follow the battle for sue from the black hills to the lake shore of chicago. don't miss "dinosaur 13" only right here on cnn thursday night. 9:00 eastern. we're back in just a moment.
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