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don't wait, call now! violence and deaths. that's what the chairman of the house intelligence committee will likely follow the results of the cia report on u.s. interrogation techniques. we're digging into what is inside this brand-new report and when it can be and released. tough questions after an unsuccessful raid to rescue u.s. hostages. we're hearing for the first time from the american hostage's family. >> we're going to talk about what is next as we enter
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protesters. i'm wolf blitzer here in washington and 9:00 p.m. in kuwait city and 2:00 a.m. in manila. thank you very much for joining us. a brand-new report on torture reports for the cia. one question examined the senate intelligence committee report, did the so-called enhance interrogation techniques help find osama bin laden. in an interview with our own candy crowley, the president strongly deefended the cia. >> we're fortunate to have men and women serving on our behalf. these are patriots and whatever
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the report says, if it diminishes their contributions to our country, it's way off base. and i knew the directors and deputy directors and a lot of the operators, these are really good people and we are lucky as a nation to have them. >> let's bring in our justice reporter evan perez and bob baer. first to you, evan, this report could be released as early as tomorrow? >> that's right, wolf. and we're talking about george bush's controversial policies six years into the presidency of barack obama who said he wanted to turn the page on all of these things but this report is going to be really, really bad for the cia. it's going to remind us of the things that went on in this program. it's going to focus on a number of things, including the fact that it was a haphazardly put
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together program and they say that the cia ended up misleading congress and the white house and nothing of value came of the program. the program simply says that they believe some things of value were gotten there. we know that three detainees that the cia had provided information and they were key that led them to bin laden and killing bin laden. >> evan, i want you to stay by. i want you to bring bob baer into this. mike rogers was very forceful yesterday on "state of the union" right here on cnn saying that releasing this report will be very, very dangerous. listen to this. >> our foreign partners are telling us this will cause
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violence and deaths. our own intelligence community has assessed that this will cause violence and deaths. >> we also know that john kerry personally phoned dianne feinstein, the chair of the intelligence committee, saying don't release this report right now. the timing could be awful for the u.s. what are you hearing from your former colleagues there at the cia? >> well, they don't believe, wolf, that it should be released at all. they believe it should be a secret program set up at the white house department of justice, they did what they were told to do and the details should never have gotten out. if anything, it's a military tri tribunal and whether it's going to cause death and violence, that's unknown at this point but it's going to look bad for the united states government. i think what the people are saying is, listen, the department of justice said this
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is legal. the white house says we've got to do this to get intelligence and we did what they were told to do. they don't think they've done anything wrong. it's going to be ugly, in any case. >> it's interesting, evan. a lot of the supporters at the cia, those involved in the enhanced interrogation techniques have looked at what the chairman at that time of the senate intelligence committee, jay rockefeller, including an interview what he did with me back on march 2nd, 2003. i want to play this little clip because they are referring to what the chair of the senate intelligence committee said then. >> there are presidential memorandums that prescribe and allow certain measures to be taken but we have to be careful. on the other hand, he does have
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the information. we have no business not getting that information. >> the question i'm asking, i guess, and i'll ask it to both of you, torture. >> we do not sanctions u.s. torture but there are psychological and other means that can accomplish most of what we want. >> that was a joint interview with senator lott as well. what they were saying, bob has heard it, they work closely with the senate intelligence committee, the house intelligence committee, they were telling them exactly what they are doing in terms of the waterboarding, the sleep deprivation and other techniques that they were using. they say it's so hypocritical. >> yes. that's actually a great point, wolf. one of the things that that does come out in this report is the allegation that the cia withheld stuff from the senators, that, in other words, they did tell them some things but didn't tell them everything and that when
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they went in and dug into the details there was a lot more there being done that exceeded the guidance from the justice department and exceeded what the white house had authorized which is hard to believe, frankly, because there were people at the white house who were deeply involved in this. they were getting the reports and yet they are not mentioned in the report, wolf. there is no focus on them. all of the focus is on the cia. >> i want you to hold on for a moment. there's something else i want to discuss with you. a family of an al qaeda hostage, luke somers, said that they were not asked to sign off on the daring rescue attempt in the remote desert region in the belief that somers was about to be executed. the s.e.a.l.s did not know the other hostage with the south african teacher, a fire fight broke out and both somers and
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the south african were shot and wounded before the s.e.a.l.s could rescue them. let's bring in barbara starr. military operations are done in complete secrecy. why would anyone believe that there would be some sort of consultation with the family before navy s.e.a.l.s are deployed. they would fear the u.s., understandably, there would be a leak and the entire mission could be compromised if family members who don't have security clearances would be informed about that. >> i think we're dealing with a very sensitive issue. two families in grief really coming to grips and understanding about what happened here. the u.s. military, the cia does not inform families of time, date and place where they might stage a commando operation to try and rescue an american hostage. that just simply does not happen. there is communication through the fbi and the typical language
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a family would be told is that everything is being done to get your loved one back. luke somers' stepmother and sister commented on this to cnn earlier. what they said was, and let me quote in part, "we feel that luke's stance would have been that more discussion should have taken place between the country's concern and that these crises should be solved with more dialogue and less conflict." but, of course, the understanding was, from that videotape that we all saw last week, that luke somers would be murdered by his al qaeda captors within three days and that's what prompted the u.s. to proceed with this mission and always the u.s. position is it does not negotiate with terrorists and does not offer ransom. this is a very difficult situation, the president making the decision they have the best chance that they were ever going to get, they have the best
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information they were ever going to get in and go in and try and get him. wolf? >> barbara starr, thank you for that information. let's bring back in bob baer. these missions are always incredibly risky. they can sometimes go really wrong. is there another option that doesn't involve negotiating with terrorists, paying ransoms that potentially could result in the freedom of the american hostages short of a formal military operation? >> wolf, no. the president didn't really have a choice. if he truly believed that somers was going to be executed in three days, he had to send the s.e.a.l.s in. the intelligence is never good enough going into a house like that, what the intentions of the captors are. when they went in, they knew there was a good chance that somers could be killed and there's no way that they could tell the families or anybody outside of a very tightly knit
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circle. >> they say they didn't know the south african hostage, pierchl re korkie. >> they coincided with the deadline for somers. probably not. they would have gone in anyhow to save both of them. they didn't know there was a south african being held with him. with the best information that they had, they made the right decision. >> and unfortunately it didn't work out. both of these hostages are now dead. bob, thanks very much. bob baer, helping us figure out what is going on no protesters are blocking streets in california. we'll have more on the demonstrations over the choke hold death of eric garner in new york city. and looking ahead to the
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we're getting an update on what we reported from our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. she's now reporting that thousands of united states marines have been put on a higher state of alert around the world in advance of the anticipated release of a u.s. senate intelligence report on the interrogation techniques that the u.s. used following 9/11, this according to u.s. defense official who
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tells our barbara starr that the marines are all part of what is described as a contingency response force positioned in key areas around the world, especially near u.s. embassies incense t in sensitive parts around the world. 2,000 marines have been called up as part of the contingency response force in africa. another 2,000 in the middle east. once again, there is deep concern in the u.s. government that if the senate intelligence committee goes ahead and releases this report and it could be released as early as tomorrow, there could be major ramifications. we heard the house intelligence chairman mike rogers tell our candy crowley there could be violence and deaths if this report is released. we know the secretary of state john kerry has appealed to senator dianne feinstein, don't release this report right now because of the potential that
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americans around the world could be endangered and now we're learning from barbara starr that u.s. marines have been alerted to go on a higher state of alert amongst the report which some call torture techniques. a lot more coming up. obviously a serious alert. whether to release or not to release is the question right now. no let up in the protesters over the choke hold death of eric garner at the hands of a staten island police officer. some of the protests have turned violent. in berkeley, the demonstrations turned deadly. the decision not to indict the police officer in garner's death have set off demonstrations across the united states. police in berkeley say some protesters threw rocks, bottles, explosives at them and they responded with fire and tear gas. at least eight protesters were arrested. two police officers, by the way,
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were injured. protesters also clashed with police in oakland, california, not far away from berkeley. the mayor of oakland is on the phone with us. mayor, thanks very much for joining us. what's going on in oakland compared to berkeley? >> you know, it's been all of the demonstrations, you know, in the bay area, san francisco, oakland, berkeley have been very similar. you have to have thousands of fairly peaceful demonstrators and a very small group of people in san francisco and oakland and berkeley and then late in the night there is vandalism. i'm not going to comment on berkeley because i don't think people have had a chance to look at that. oakland has had a long history of trying to work on reform. one of the first cities to have personalized counters and offenses by the police are way down. probably the first time in the
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history where we've gone over a year without an officer-involved shooting. we've made a lot of progress but despite that we're at the center of the b.a.r.t. system and the site of a lot of demonstrations constantly. >> has there been looting and violence? i know most of the protesters have been peaceful. mayor, what about in oakland? have stores been burnt down? have they been destroyed? what's going on? >> wolf, when i said yesterday to your producer i said last week there were nine garbage cans put in the street and set on fire, we had broken windows, particularly in the beginning of demonstrations. at the end, literally maybe less than a dozen people who have broken about ten windows a night but it's not like -- i've got to say that the national media, by focusing on them, almost makes what they are doing out of
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proportion and on the other hand, thousands of people demonstrate and are nonviolent and so the way the media handles what vandalism there is, i've got to say that we're tired of that. we've spent a lot of our resources making sure that the small numbers of demonstrators at the end of demonstrations don't vandalize the city. we've asked people not to have their marches at night and haven't been very effective at that because that sets the stage at which a handful of anarchists have done damage in the bay area and that's been the pattern in san francisco, oakland and berkeley. >> have you arrested these anarchists, as you've called them? >> yes, we have. we've made a lot of arrests of people who have done the damage. we picked up a couple of people who had broken windows in berkeley on saturday when they were in berkeley that we noticed that we saw demonstrators who
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have been responsible for breaking windows in oakland and getting in fights of people who tried to stop them. i think that the media doesn't do a good job of talking about the people within the demonstration each time tried to stop people from breaking windows. one of the most poignant stories that i know of demonstrators a few weeks ago that were going to take out the windows of the only bakery in north oakland that takes food stamps and wic stamps and unfortunately most of the people involved in the vandalism have been white and this was a group of ten young people who stood in front of the bakery and told them to stop it. just the other night, demonstrators tried to pick up garbage cans and set them on fire and others grabbed them. so i think the young african-american activists have
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been doing the job and trying to keep the peace. i know b.a.r.t. is not happy about that. people are not happy about it because it was in great contrast and very few people have reported on the homegrown activist who is are now almost reluctant to join in demonstrations because they are afraid that they will be hijacked. >> mayor jean quan, thank you for the update. >> thank you. still ahead, 2016 presidential candidates are pushing the same message, being president is a tough job. why that's an important assessment, that's coming up. hello... i'm an idaho potato farmer and our big idaho potato truck is still missing. so my buddy here is going to help me find it. here we go. woo who, woah, woah, woah.
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this weekend, the former president george w. bush spoke with candy crowley about one possible matchup. >> you have talked about bill clinton and his relationship with your mother and he's your brother from another mother. what does that make hillary clinton? >> my sister-in-law. >> interestingly. do you think your brother could run against your sister-in-law? >> yeah. and i think he'd beat her. >> neither one of these
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potential candidates has yet to declare george w. bush told candy crowley about running. let's bring in our chief political analyst gloria borger. it turns out that political pergatory can spark a conversation with the public about what it takes to be president and what goes into deciding whether you want to run." tell me why this is so important? >> i think in public appearances both candidates are thinking out loud. politicians don't like to do it. think about how much trouble joe biden gets in when he actually thinks out loud. and what they've been talking about, jeb bush, for example, talking about how he could -- he has to think about whether he would want to make his family go through this process.
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he said, would it be tolerable for his family? he said you also have to be able to lose a primary in order to win a general election so it's clear that he's thinking about the fact that he's out of touch in many cases with the base of his party. hillary clinton herself is talking about the stress of her job and how you need to surround yourself with people who can tell the truth and make fun of you. when she talks about stress, she seems more honest than when she talks about the tug of being a grandmother. that's not what she's thinking about. she is talking about whether she wants to do it and these two people are very well-positioned, wolf, to know what it takes and how difficult it is to get there. and so they are actually telling the american public what they are telling in private. >> because i've spoken to people close to both hillary clinton and jeb bush and the sense i get, she almost certainly is going to run.
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>> yes. >> she would have the front-runner status for the presidential nomination and he probably is going to run as well. >> six months ago i would have said there's no way jeb bush is going to run. now i believe it's more likely than unlikely he's going to run. he's had very close advisers meeting with potential staff not asking them to join the campaign but effectively saying, if we were to do something, would you potentially think about joining us. they haven't gone out and asked for money but a lot of funders are holding back. so i think, you know, you'd have to say, wolf, at this point it looks like the odds are that you might have that race going on between another bush and another clinton. >> they have to decide fairly soon. >> they do. >> there's going to be another republican presidential debate as early as august 2015. that's not far away. >> first of all, hillary has to announce early if she's not going to run. then all of the democratic
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candidates -- everything is frozen. if she were to decide she's not going to run, otherwise i don't see why it's in her interests to declare right away. she could wait until the spring. jeb bush has told people that he will let you know early in the new year. i spoke to someone who said, it's not like we're going to have a balloon drop. there will be signals. that could be establishing a pack and exploratory committee and hiring staff and that kind of thing. so i think we'll get an answer in short order within the new year. >> he has to worry about that base, right? >> he has to worry about that base and he knows about it and talks about it and it's very clear to me that he wants to let people know, i'm going to lose some primaries but that way i don't have to tack one way and tack back to the middle in order to win a general election because i am who i am.
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>> gloria, thank you for that. be sure to check out gloria's article "hillary and jeb: how the deciders decide." go to cnn.com and read the article. the defense secretary of the united states wrapping up his tenure, chuck hagel. what's next for the mission? he speaks with our own jim sciutto. this is a cnn exclusive. you will see it and here it. that's coming up. the holiday season is here, which means it's time for the volkswagen sign-then-drive event. for practically just your signature, you could drive home for the holidays in a german-engineered volkswagen. like the sporty, advanced new jetta... and the 2015 motor trend car of the year all-new golf. if you're wishing for a new volkswagen this season... just about all you need is a finely tuned... pen. get zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first month's payment on select new volkswagen models.
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welcome back to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. josh earnest moments ago spoke about the very controversial decision the senate intelligence committee has to make on whether or not to release a very lengthy report on alleged torture in the united states in the months and years after 9/11. listen to the white house press secretary. >> obviously the key question today, we're expecting the cia torture report to come out this week, how well prepared does the president think that u.s. embassies according to installations are and the potential reaction? >> well, we have heard from the committee that they do intend to release the report tomorrow. the timing of the release of the report is something that's always been up to the committee and this decision that they have
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made. the administration has been, for months, preparing for the release of this report. there are some indications that this -- that the release of the report could lead to a greater risk that is posed to u.s. facilities and individuals all around the world. so the administration has taken the prudent steps to ensure that the proper security precautions are in place at u.s. facilities around the globe. but that said, and this is the last key part, that said, the administration strongly supports the release of this declassified summary of the report. the president on his first or second day in office took the steps using executive action to put an end to the tactics that are described in the report and the president believes that on principle it's important to release that report so that
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people around the world and here at home know what transpired. there's going to be limits what could be said given the classified nature of the program but because of the scrupulous work of the committee, we've declassified that report as much as we can and we want to be sure that we can release that report, be transparent about it and be clear about what american values are and be clear about the fact that the administration believes that in a way that is consistent with american values should never happen like this again. >> the white house press secretary josh earnest saying go ahead and release this report even though over the weekend john kerry in a personal phone conversation with dianne feinstein, he urged her to consider what he called the broader implications of the timing of the reports released, obviously very concerned about a very reaction against the united
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states in various parts of the world. the chairman of the house intelligence committee, mike rogers, said yesterday on cnn that there will be violence and deaths if this report is released and only moments ago our barbara starr reported that thousands of u.s. marines have been put on a higher state of alert around the world in advance of the anticipated release of this senate report on behalf of the enhanced interrogation techniques. let's bring in jim sciutto who is joining us. it seems that there are conflicts messages coming from the obama administration, concern about the ramifications coming from the secretary of state john kerry although you heard an endorsement of this by the white house press secretary. i don't know if chuck hagel has spoken out about it, but based upon what barbara starr is
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reporting, the u.s. military is concerned that there could be attacks against u.s. embassies, americans as a result of the release of this report. what are you hearing over there? >> reporter: >> that is certainly the focus. of course, iraq just across the border here from kuwait, their attitude being that there are enough threats to the add protesters and retaliatory attacks by this report may cause a concern for commanders in the region and that's why the warning is going out that barbara starr described. and you make a good point, wolf. if not opposed messages from the white house and state department, certainly one of inference, it seems to be a gentle nudge from secretary of state from john kerry to dianne
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feinstein, the timing is up to you but please consider all of the things that the u.s. is facing, including the fight against isis right across the border as you make that decision, which seems to be something of a different message from josh earnest which we heard just now. >> i want you to stand by. we'll come back to you in a moment. much more of our special coverage coming up right after this quick break.
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nato folded up a flag at the headquarters in afghanistan's capital. this marks the end of the combat mission for the international security assistance force, as it is called. a day earlier, chuck hagel was there to speak with military leaders. jim sciutto has this cnn exclusive. >> reporter: this is chuck hagel's fourth trip to afghanistan but his last as secretary of defense. we traveled with him to eastern afghanistan where he met with troops, sharing his own experiences, the first enlisted combat veteran to serve as defense secretary. >> do you think it will be a loss for the defense secretary position to have somebody who didn't have that experience? >> that's not for me to decide. everybody brengs to their positions their own set of positions and strengths and i believe my set of experiences
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fit me very well but that's chuck hagel. i don't ever judge anybody else. >> reporter: at the end of this month, u.s. forces will give up their combat role for training, advising and assisting afghan forces, a new mission as the u.s. prepares for a complete withdrawal in two years. we saw how it dissolved with the advance of isis. why are you confident that afghan forces will perform better? >> they want us here. they want us to assist, advise, train. how we left iraq was totally different. the iraqi government did not want us there. the iraqi people did not want us there. >> reporter: it is train, advise and assist but u.s. forces will be able to do force protection if there's a threat, the u.s. forces go out and neutralize that threat and, in addition, you mentioned combat enabling.
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th that speaks to close u.s. air support. >> this is totally different from where we've been in the last 13 years, what we have ahead for the next two years. but bottom line is, we've got to realize, this is still a war zone. this is still a war. so you put men and women in war zone, they are still in a war zone. >> reporter: taliban attacks are down this year from 2013 but secretary hagel's visit comes during a new wave of taliban violence in the capital of kabul. >> what's the most concerning thing that you've heard, the thing that scares you the most? >> i think this country, first of all, has made tremendous progress where afghanistan was five years ago, two, three years ago, hardly any comparison. but it still has threats. al qaeda, taliban, they have built the afghan security forces a very strong security force institution. so, yes, still challenges ahead.
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but i think every sign is that they can do this. but it's still a dangerous place. >> jim sciutto is joining us once again live from kuwait city where he's traveling with the secretary of defense. you had a chance to speak with the commander of operation inherent resolve. tell me where this operation stands right now according to the assessment? >> reporter: he said in his words operationally isis is probably now on defense, focused on holding territory rather than gaining back significant portions of new ground. that's one positive. he also said that there was a meeting earlier this month in the region among coalition partners where coalition partners vowed to give 1500 troops to the effort on the ground in iraq, train, advise
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and assist as well as advise those forces in their combat role matching those 1500 additional troops that president obama has authorized here. but one caveat. i asked him how long before iraqi security forces are capable of significant offensive operations to take back territory from isis. his answer was, it's hard to say years or months. though he said reasonably it could happen within months. still, wolf, a long way off from really taking back a lot of this territory from isis. >> good point. jim sciutto, thanks very much for the reporting. jim will have a formal in-depth interview with chuck hagel tomorrow and you'll be able to see it exclusively right here on cnn. other news, prince william and kate. they are in new york city for a quick visit. the prince made a side visit here to the white house in washington. there he is. he had a little chance to meet in the oval office with the president of the united states. we're going to update you.
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cambridge are in the united states for a whirlwind visit. their toddler stayed back in the uk and kate is expecting again. william took a side trip to the nation's capital, washington, d.c. a little meeting with the president of the united states over at the white house. they spoke about the illegal wildlife trade. max foster has been following the royals. he's back here in the united states. max we saw william visiting the white house. what other big events are on the agenda for both of them today? >> it's all about promoting their interests and causes and about promoting british interests, so this morning i was out with kate in harlem. the youth development center very much playing into the sort of things she's interested in. she went inside with some kids
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from underprivileged background and got involved in a craft session. she really believes strongly if you can get people who fine it difficult to communicate to get involved in art they can communicate through that and art therapy. so that was a cause that she's hoping to high light. she gets all the cameras in, of course, and the reason that william was down in washington where you are is because you mentioned it. this illegal wildlife trade. ivory, for example. lots of animals being killed in africa but what he's trying to do is attack the customer side of the business, if you like. so he wants china to perhaps do more, he's pointing out china already does a lot in cutting down this trade but wants to talk to the president about that, how we cut down on demand and save these animals in africa. this evening he'll come back to new york, wolf, and hold a joint event with hillary clinton because she also has a passion about the same issue.
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she's fighting particularly poachers of elephants in frooik. they will hold a joint event, a joint pretty good conference. it's amazing this young couple can manage to pull in these events, these people. but, they use it to promote their causes and the government uses it really to get them introduced to people they want to do business with. >> they will see a little nba basketball in brooklyn. >> absolutely. they will be there tonight. some concern some protests are organized there. not against the royals but against the authorities organization around the royals, if you like. i'm told nothing will change in terms of their plans. lots of speculation whether they will meet jay-z because they are due at the same game. the palace said they haven't arranged a meeting. if it happens on "courtside" so be it. it's up to beyonce to approach the couple as opposed the other way. >> i'm going to see the washington wizards and boston celtics here in washington,
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d.c., if i can. that would be a good game as well. thanks very much max for that report. president obama says he's fine after being diagnosed and treated for acid reflux. a doctor who specializes in this condition standing by live. we're going to talk about what the president needs to know. hass for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. like 50,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores. with ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. travel, gift cards, even cash back. and my rewards points won't expire. so you can make owning a business even more rewarding. ink from chase. so you can. and our big idaho potato truck is still missing. so my buddy here is going to help me find it. here we go. woo who, woah, woah, woah.
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president obama is now being treated for acid' flex. while meeting this morning with prince william in the oval office the president said he feels fine. acid reflux is a very common ailment that's easily treated with indict and over-the-counter medications. but if left undiagnosed and untreated it can lead to major health problems. the director of bariatric surgery down in florida at the university of florida. doctor, thanks very much for
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joining us. what are the worst case scenarios, if you will, if acid reflux is not taken seriously? >> well, as you know, acid reflux is very common and there are a lot of symptoms. typical reflux symptoms there could be other symptoms. some patients develop esophageal reflux. what we know that it's the number one reason for esophageal cancer, other symptoms could be cough, laryngitis, asthma and others. when you have reflux that it could advance to esophageal cancer. acid reflux people refer to it as heart burn but really if you have it you got to treat it,
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right? >> correct. there are many reasons why patients have reflux. there are some factors such as diet, high fat food, smoking, medication. the mechanism which causes reflux is typically an incompetent sphincter at the end of the esophagus. it could be treated. it could be silent. patients may not know they have reflux. important to treat that. >> can lead to esophageal cancer. they say his exam revealed soft tissue swelling in the posterior throat and in consultation with a specialist a further evaluation with a routine ct scan was prudent. that sounds like a big deal to me. >> yes. most of the time patients can have reflux from the stomach to the back of the throat. a lot of time patients do have hoarseness, they have laryngitis
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and this is what he has -- >> we have to leave it there. we'll monitor the president as we do all presidents. that's it for me. see you at 5:00 p.m. in "the situation room". for our international viewers christiane amanpour is next. for our american viewers, "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. hi there i'm brooke baldwin. thank you so much for being here with me on this monday. we begin with breaking news. three people have lot their lives after a private jet crashed into the suburban neighborhood outside of washington, d.c. really the pictures just tell the story. we are told this jet crashed into this one home and set two other homes on fire. the remains, what you're looking at what now, this is gaithersburg, maryland. listen to how one