hello. i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. in washington and 8:00 p.m. in baghdad. wherever you are watching from around the world, thank you for joining us. breaking news in washington. fallout from a new report condemning the cia's enhanced interrogation report. the techniques that critics call torture were ineffective and more harsh than the cia admitted and says the agency misled the american public about the program. senator dianne feinstein, the democratic chair of the intelligence committee, conducted the investigation. >> it shows the cia's actions, a

decade ago, a stain on our value and on our history. the release of this 500-page summary cannot remove that stain but says to the people and the world that america is big enough to admit when its wrong and confident enough to learn from its mistakes. releasing this report is an important step to restore our values and show the world that we are, in fact, a just and lawful society. >> she then got the backing from a senator john mccain who has been an outspoken critic of the enhanced interrogations and here's what he said a moment ago. >> i rise and support of the long delayed release of the senate intelligence committee's summarized unclassified review of the so-called enhanced interrogation techniques that were employed by the previous administration to extract

information from captured terrorists. it's a thorough and thoughtful study of practices that i believe not only failed their purpose to secure actionable attacks on our allies but actually damage our security interests as well as our reputation as a force for good in the world. >> the techniques were used during the administration of george w. bush. he spoke out in support of the cia before the report was officially released a couple of hours ago and former vice president told dick cheney that the cia should be decorated, not criticized. he says conclusions that the cia conducted a rogue operation are, in his words, quote, a bunch of hooe y hooey. the intelligence report is saying that they did provide

valuable intelligence in the hunt for osama bin ladin. strong words condemning this senate report. let's get details and reactions from our responds going you through the report. jim acosta is getting reaction and dana bash is up on capitol hill. evan, it's hundreds and hundreds of pages. people are going to be spending team getting the details. give us a couple of the main highlights. >> wolf, the big question is, did this program stop plots against the united states? did it -- was it effective in preventing terrorism against this country? and the biggest finding from this report, wolf, is that the program was ineffective, that it

was more brutal than the cia ever told the americans, ever told the congress, that it was poorly managed. the cia didn't really know what it was doing in managing this program and lost track of detainees for a period and that it misled the congress and white house department and president bush himself did not get briefed fully on this program, wolf, until 2006, according to the senate report, which is a big deal because, as you know, president bush in his biography describes that he was fully knowledgeable about what was going on, that he supports it and thought everything was done properly. >> the cia -- you went through this. the cia issued a very lengthy statement condemning this report. the cia's statement, among other things, and i just highlighted a couple of things, said their review of the enhanced interrogations did produce, in their words, intelligence to help thwart attack plans,

capture terrorists, save lives and also say it did play a significant role in finding osama bin ladin. there's a clear discrepancy about the flaws of this report that dianne feinstein released. >> they disavow the program, say it was a bad idea. john brennan put out a statement saying we did not always live up to the high standards that we held for ourselves and what the american people expect of us. however, they are walking a fine line. they say there are at least three detainees that provided valuable intelligence that led to the finding of osama bin ladin, khalid sheikh mohammed and two others. you can see the cia's description valuable came from

this program. >> jim acosta is at the white house. they put out a long statement praising dianne feinstein. what part of the executive branch, the cia saying they are wrong, interrogation techniques were useful in finding bin laden and you have the senate intelligence committee say this is a very fine line for the white house to be walking right now. >> reporter: absolutely, wolf. the president saying you don't see this very often where the president was criticizing the previous administration. he blamed president bush for what was going wrong at his own administration. we haven't seen that lately. he said at one point the bush administration had agonizing

decisions to make after 9/11 but that some of the decisions made were contrary to our values. the president did point out that he is proud of the work that has been done at the cia. one thing he did say that i thought was very striking, he said that this report documents a troubling program involving enhanced interrogation techniques on terrorism suspects in secret facilities outside the united states and it reinforces my long-held view that these harsh methods were not only inconsistent with our values as a nation, they did not serve our broader counterterrorism efforts and made it harder to pursue our interests with allies and partners. keep in mind, wolf, the obama administration was willing to go along with the fine teinstein r. as a matter of fact, they went

to intelligence committee and said make your redactions. they came back and this report came back yesterday, wolf, 93% unredacted and i'm told from one senior official and the narrative is not lost on the public and it's clear, some of the techniques and details of the techniques use are two an extent that we haven't seen before this extensively. so i think there's a shock value in this report that a lot of people are not able to absorb until they release this. and so they are really revealing and putting out there to the american public what was done in a previous administration. it's a little bit of a tricky balancing act because president obama is going to leave office in a couple of years and then things done in this administration would be very much open game for the next administration.

it's a republican administration. they could look back with an unsparing view as well. so the obama administration is very aware of that, wolf. >> some suggesting they are going to look beyond the president's use of drones to go after suspected targets in which civ civilians are not just tortured but killed and that's going to be a potential for investigation down the road. i want to go to dana in a moment but if you look at this report put out by the senate select committee on intelligence, it sounds like major crimes were committed by u.s. officials at the highest levels of the government violating the use of torture. here's the question, because i know you're speaking to your sources over at the justice department, are charges going --

in the aftermath of the release of this report, charges going to be filed against bush administration officials, cia operatives engages in torture? >> well, attorney general holder said he was very bothered and that's why he ordered a second investigation of this program, wolf, and decided in the end there was no prosecutable crime and they are standing by this today and that does not mean that they endorse this or it's not a moral program clearly eric holder and the president himself, they both described this as torture so they think this is very bad the question is, can you prosecute anyone? no. >> the u.s. did engage in torture and that would be violations of international law, u.s. treaty obligations and potentially the u.s. could be

brought before the international criminal court in the hague for crimes against humanity. let's go to dana bash up on the hill. it looks like dianne feinstein got a nice rousing bit of endorsement but a whole bunch of republicans are pretty outraged by the decision to release this report. >> that's exactly right. john mccain in this case is not representative of his party. remember when george w. bush was in office, mccain really fought him on using these techniques and most republicans think that this is wrong from the inside out meaning they don't agree with the content of the report. they think that it was, in the words of the incoming senate intelligence senator richard bird, that they didn't get the facts properly, that they didn't interrogate or actually question the interrogators who actually did this and that's why it is

false. the other reason why republicans are upset is because of the timing. they think that the world is a very shaky place right now and this adds fuel to the fire. look at what marco rubio said about that. >> it's going to put a danger to american servicemen and women and puts in danger our lives with key partners on the war on terror and they are going to embarrass the bush administration. >> that's another layer of republican krit sechl of releasing this report, wolf. they say they believe that it's political, that this is the last chance for democrats who are going to lose control of the senate when they end lame duck session this week to show the oversight and work of the oversight. however, just a reality check here, if dianne feinstein, the democratic chairwoman had her way, this would have been released a long time ago.

this has been years in the making with the obama administration about what to release and not what to release and for someone like dianne feinstein, she does not consider this to be political and, as you know, wolf, she is certainly not one of the most dovish members of the senate. she viewed this as a critical important oversight committee for her as chairwoman. >> just to be cheer, if they wouldn't have released it this week, the chance when republicans are majority in senate starting in january when they are the majority in senate select committee on intelligence, the chances of it being released them were pretty nill, right? >> reporter: that's right. because the democratic led committee voted. the committee voted a couple of months ago. i believe the results were 11-3. it wasn't even close to release this. if that all is null and void

once the senate takes over, the republican chairman is going to be releasing it, very slim. >> very slim indeed. dana bash, jim acosta, evan perez, we'll go through this report and get more details. a former cia officer and former democratic of the house committee will offer tleheir vi of the scathing report. later, we're going to hear in an exclusive interview with the defense secretary chuck hagel, we're going to get his take on the release of the report and on the mission in iraq and syria. lots of news happening. we'll be right back.

former vice president dick cheney came to the agency's strong defense today in "the new york times." let me put on the screen what he said "what i keep hearing is they portrayed this was a rogue operation and way out of bounds and then lied about it. i think that is a bunch of hooey. the program was authorized. the agency did not want to proceed without authorization and it was also reviewed legally by the administration." jane harman was a ranking member of the house intelligence committee for a long time. when you hear the former vice president, jane harman, make

those comments saying all of this was authorized by the executive branch and the justice department, the cia knew exactly what they were doing, informed the ranking members, vice chairman of the house and intelligence committees, knew what was going on, your reaction? >> i remember, wolf, i was there, how afraid we all were, including the vice president of our country being attacked again and all of us tried in good faith to set up the best programs to protect our country but i think mistakes were made and the way it was viewed. i learned of it in february 2003 and wrote a personalized memo saying that, yes, he had -- there was legal justification and i said it raises profound

policy questions and never received an answer that was substantive to this answer and i think there was pushback by many in congress who were briefed and didn't know about this program and we would have been much better off if this was designed within strict legal boundaries that congress approved and proceeded that way. i think dianne feinstein faced an excruciating decision to go ahead. i think she did the right thing and this was john mccain's finest hour when he stood on the floor and explained as only he can. he has the credibility that no one else does and he explained why torture is not the right way, consistent with our values or getting the truth, to get the information we desperately needed and eventually did get. >> he was tortured as a p.o.w. during the vietnam war, as all of our viewers will remember. gary, what's your reaction? >> well, i'd like to say, if we were to go back to 2001.

when we invaded afghanistan and led the team in kabul, we captured a saudi prisoner and the first thing he said to us was there was an imminent catastrophic attack going to take place in syingapore and th israelis and we stopped that attack, captured the explosives and shows the cia that al qaeda has a number of attacks, at least that one, in train -- >> gary, let me interrupt you. hold on. how did you get that information from the saudi terror? did he offer it? >> we did not torture him. he was injured and we gave him medical assistance. the issue is not the torture. the issue is, there were catastrophic imminent attacks that were going to be taking

place. >> but we all know that the terrorists out there want to hurt the united states, hurt the u.s. allies. the question is, did the cia go too far in using what they call these enhanced interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, sleep deprivation and other activities? >> that wasn't your question. >> was that beyond the scope? >> i would say that was not beyond the scope because it was only waterboarding done on three people. khalid sheikh mohammed and abu zubayadah and one other. the report states that cia could have found the information in other ways. i've got that. in hindsight, it's easy to claim that. this is 2014. in 2001, you know, it was a lot different. >> all right. let's get jane harman, you were there. when were you told that the u.s. -- that the cia was engaged

in these covert activities usually outside of the united states, waterboarding, sleep deprivation, what people described as torture, enhanced interrogation? how early did you as the ranking member of the house intelligence committee learn about that? >> i learned about it in february 2003. the practice started about a year early and the prior ranking member i assume was briefed in 2002 when a leadership of the intelligence committee was briefed. the leadership changed in 2003. that's when i was told about it. i was told by scott mueller and that's who i wrote the letter raising these profound policy questions. it's important to remember when this was. this was really just a year and a half of the most grievous

attack on u.s. soil. but the problem with this program was the way it was designed. i think the senate majority report -- and i look forward to reading the minority report and cia report, too. they just got posted. makes the point that this was sloppy, that those administers these techniques were not well-trained, that there were two outside psychologists paid $80 million to review this program and we could have done this a different way consistent with our values and for the world listening for the u.s. narrative, i think what is playing out is as painful as this, as dianne feinstein said, history will judge us by our ability to face the truth and that's what is going on today. >> gary, you spent a career in the cia. did the cia use torture against

these prisoners? >> i thought tomorrow that we had in possession an isis terrorist or intelligence officer that was preparing a catastrophic imminent attack, we'd have to have a real hard discussion that management is what methods were used. if we thought there was a bio method to be used against the united states, we're going to have to think about this because we're in a world five times more dangerous than 2001. i would like to go back to congresswoman harman. i saw a message on the internet what she wrote and i saw a answer to a briefing which she was not in july 2002 where they were briefed on this. i'd love to see who was in the there and who was briefed and who knows what. >> guys, hold on. that's what gary was referring

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the vice president moments ago spoke on the release of the intelligence committee report on enhanced interrogation techniques which he calls torture. listen to this. >> the most important piece is that we're big enough, strong enough and consistent enough to say we made a mistake, we made a mistake, we're exposing it, that will strengthen us and will not weaken us and will make it more difficult for the mistake to ever be made again. that's the importance. >> is it a black stain on the united states? >> no. i think it's a badge of honor. every country has engaged in activities somewhere along the line that it has not been proud of but, think about it, name me another country that's prepared to stand up and say, this was a

mistake. we shouldn't have done what we have done and we will not do it again. i think that's -- >> here are some of the key findings from the senate intelligence committee's report on cia interrogation techniques. they found it to be more brutal than originally thought, that it involved more detainees than originally thought and the senate report acknowledges that it lacks critical oversight and calls the report flawed. one of the members of the senate intelligence committee, a democrat from new mexico. thank you for joining us. you voted to release this report now, right? >> i did, wolf. >> why? >> you know, i think the key findings are critical to get out there to make this right. i think what people will find in the report is that it finds that any reasonable person, that the

activities engaged in by the cia, i think any reasonable person would see as torture. more importantly, they find that it didn't work and i think it's important in our oversight rule, the key finding, that the cia misled the congress, it's going to be important for us to make sure this never happens again. >> when secretary of state john kerry called the chair of the senate committee dianne feinstein and expressed concerns about the timing of the release of this report, saying that u.s. civilians, diplomats, military personnel, their lives could be endangered as a result of all of the information that is about to be made public and the pentagon subsequently alerted marines, thousands of marines to go on a higher state of alert, did that concern you? >> it does. but i will say that it's important to realize that what has put americans at risk for a number of years has been the

actions taken that amounted to torture, not the fact that we are releasing this report. i think there will never be a good time to release this report. but let's be clear, our enemies in isis, our enemies in al qaeda, they don't need an excuse to attack us. we are committing air strikes against isis right now and they have plenty of motivation to come after americans. i think what's important here is that we have stood up, said we made a mistake, we're going to be on the side of god and righteousness moving forward and we're going to acknowledge our mistakes. >> but that happened before alleged torture, right? >> there's no question. >> you said that these enemies are going after the united states because of the allegations of torture. >> the information about detainee treatment has been in the media for a number of years

now and there's no question that it's been used as a recruiting tool by some of these extreme organizations. that said, i think on balance we need to own our mistakes, we need to move forward and need to be a leader in the world in terms of human rights and, frankly, prosecuting terrorists as well. and i think this is a painful but necessary step in that. >> if any of your constituents in new mexico are killed, whether military personnel, diplomats, civilians as a result of the release of this report, what will go through your mind? >> i think it's a very difficult decision to do this. however, i think it's necessary and, in the long term, will be an important part of our war on terror and the fact that we need to hold the terrorists accountable and, once again, i will tell you that it was the mistakes made to endorse this

kind of arguably torture that will be the result. and, you know, we are going to hold those terrorists accountable. we are going to take this fight to them with our allies, wherever is necessary. but we also have a higher moral standard than they do. we're america. this is an unamerican activity. we're not al qaeda, we're not isis. we're much better than that. this report confirms the healing moving forward and the restoration of our place in the world to have the moral credibility to lead this fight. >> senator heinrich, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you for having me, wolf. >> still ahead, a lot more coming up. jane harman and the defense secretary chuck hagel who is now reacting in an exclusive

interview with cnn on this report by the senate intelligence committee.

let's bring back the former cia officer gary bernstein and democratic congresswoman jane harman, a former ranking member of the house intelligence committee. jane, when the cia puts out a statement today, a press release, saying that these enhanced interrogation techniques did in fact work, they provided useful information, important information that helped thwart attack plans, capture terrorists and save american lives, do you agree with the cia? because this is totally counter to what dianne feinsteins report said today saying it was useful and counterproductive, these

enhanced interrogation techniques. >> well, the senate intelligence majority report meticulously documents these issues and how we found out about where different high value targets were and john mccain said an hour ago that the abuse of prisoners produces more bad than good intelligence, that captors will say that -- that detainees will say whatever their captors want them to say. >> so you're saying that the cia is flat outlying? >> i'm not saying that they are lying. there are obvious different view points and i haven't read the complete cia report or the senate republican report. i'm saying, based on the years i served on the house intelligence committee, i never believed that these techniques produced the intelligence that we desperately needed and, yes, we were worried about an imminent attack.

i think the way we got that enintelligence was the way we trust prisoners, the way the fbi and military has done that and i think that prees practices as the report documents, were out of line with our values and were not as effective as using the traditional interrogation techniques. >> the cia statement, gary, also goes on to say -- and this, once again, is in total contradiction to what the report concluded, that information that the cia obtained from these enhanced interrogation techniques together with other streams of intelligence, they say, helped find osama bin laden. you agree with the cia or with the senate intelligence committee report which says that that is not true? >> what i would say, wolf, and it's in line with what

congresswoman harman just said, sometimes it works when you're asking people and doing an interview. other time, pressure works, pressure works. whether it's the cold or sleep deprivation or all those kinds of things. i'm not just talking about cia experience. authoritarian governments have done this for years. there's two questions here, do these mechanisms work? yes. two, should we be doing them? that's a separate issue and we don't want to be doing them unless we have an imminent catastrophic threat to the united states in which we lose millions. >> all right. we're going to hear from chuck hagel in a moment. the bottom line question is, do you believe senator dianne feinstein's report or the cia director john brennan when he comes out with a very different assessment of the effectiveness, as he calls it, of some of the techniques. we're going to continue our

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. in anticipation of the release of the senate's cia interrogation report, american embassies and interests around the world were put on alert. the fear of retribution over the details in the report is very, very real. let's go to cnn's chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. he's joining us right now -- you've been traveling with the defense secretary chuck hagel. you've had a chance to speak with him a while ago. you spoke with him in an exclusive interview. give us a sense of the reaction you're getting from the outgoing defense secretary about the release of the senate intelligence committee report. >> reporter: well, i'll tell you, wolf, when i asked him a question about that report, he said it was the president's decision to make this public and that his focus is very much on how u.s. troops are affected by this, both across the border here from kuwait in iraq where we visited today but also afghanistan where we visited

with chuck hagel this weekend. he said he has put all combatant commanders on alert as a result of this report. here's how he described that threat to me earlier today. >> in light of the danger that it poses to the troops in the field, do you think it's a mistake to release that report? >> well, you know, the president has said we need to be honest and get this report out. the administration's worked very closely with the congress. the congress feels pretty strongly about this. we have had an opportunity to redact some of the most sensitive parts of that to protect our people. >> reporter: do you believe the military in the field is prepared for the fallout even with the redactions? >> well, i've directed all of our combatant commanders to have all of their commands on alert because we want to be prepared just in case. we have not detected anything

specific anywhere but we want to be prepared and we are. >> and jim, do you get a sense from chuck hagel, the outgoing defense secretary himself, a long-time senator, republican senator from nebraska, he served on these committees over the years, that like john kerry, he was concerned about the timing, the release of this report right now because it potentially could endanger americans? i know he's walking a little bit of a delicate line right now but do you get a sense he would have preferred this report not come out? >> reporter: well, i think it's a tough call because, on the one hand, he is very aware of the timing. here's a defense secretary and an administration that is running two wars again in this region in afghanistan and in iraq and expanding that war in iraq pretty much every day. so you have that balance. but on the other hand, i think there's resignation that there was knowledge out there of cia use of enhanced interrogation

techniques, that people in this region already know it, that this will give certainly more detail about it and spark reactions but that they couldn't control it, they couldn't stop it. so resigned to the fact that they have to deal with it and deal with it as best they can now. >> jim sciutto traveling with the secretary of defense. more of his reporting coming up later in "the situation room" here on cnn. one of the president's first acts in office was to ban torture by americans. he did so in the first days of his first term. does the release of today's senate report bring more transparency to his opposition to enhanced interrogation? cnn's top analysts are standing by. we'll discuss. "wow, how is there no way to tell the good from the bad?" so we gave people the power of the review. and now angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. you can easily buy and schedule services from top-rated providers. conveniently stay up to date on progress.

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one of president obama's first acts taking office in january 2009 was to sign an executive order barring u.s. officials from using torture practices. the senate report released today by the intelligence committee by democrats mostly would seem to be a fulfillment of the president's desire for public accountability of those cia operations during the bush administration. but is the president's break with pastorture torture allegations completely clear? let's bring in david gehrigen, and cnn's chief political analyst gloria borger. it's pretty unusual. you have dianne feinstein on one

hand giving you this impassioned speech. she got the backing of john mccain. but john brennan, issues a statement strongly disagreeing. you've got the other republicans on the intelligence committee saying this is a disaster. john kerry concerned about u.s. diplomats and their security right now. there seem to be so many conflicting messages out there coming from these folks here in washington. >> look. and, wolf, why shouldn't there be. this is the most sweeping condemnation of the central intelligence agency in over 40 years. and what it shows when you lift the veil is what was very often a rogue operation, disagreement in the cia whether what they were doing was appropriate or even worked, deception at all levels, including to congress and perhaps to the president of the united states. and i think that there's got to be conflict over whether this should be released, particularly if you're sitting at the cia. these people are not going to be

prosecuted. leon panetta saw to that. but if you're sitting at the a cia, it's like a scab has been removed. and there are people there who are trying to do their jobs under difficult circumstances. and they're all now being lumped together. and i think it's a real problem over there for morale. and it's also a moment this country can step back and sort of set the reset button on how we continue to address the war on terror. and it's a public conversation that actually, i think, we ought to be having. >> all right. david, you've heard all of the sides now. what goes through your mind. >> wolf, i'm mostly concerned about what may happen to american personnel, american troops, american diplomats overseas. i thought secretary kerry in calling dianne feinstein and asking her to delay the publication of the report should have been taken seriously.

i have enormous respect for dianne feinstein, she's been a pillar of the senate for years. on this particular issue, i think it's tragedy for the country. we have so many voices speaking at once there was no agreement before this was all done among the parties about how this might be handled. and, instead, we looked like we're at sixes and sevens to the world. and by the way, also have a brutal cia. i don't think the report shows that we had a rogue operation. i think the report alleges there was a rogue operation. and what the cia did or didn't do is still very much in question. but to go back to john kerry, it would have been so much better if this report had been held until a time when isis is in retreat. so that they can't use this as a recruiting tool. they can't exploit this against us and against our american personnel overseas. and there is that danger now. >> you know, the timing of this. >> gloria, hold on one second. politically speaking, if they didn't release it this week, probably wasn't going to be released for a long time because the republicans are going to be

the majority in the senate starting january. >> that was clearly dianne feinstein's thinking, which is she is no longer going to be chairman of that committee. and there's a long history here, wolf. they've been working on this report for years. they have accused the cia of spying on senate investigators. this is a total breach of trust, the people who oversee the cia and the cia itself. and, again, i totally see david's point about the timing on this. we know what dianne feinstein did this. but i also think it's a moment where we can as a country take a look at what we're doing and our behavior and understand the fear that drove it and what we ought to be doing going forward. >> david? >> i just don't agree that this is an appropriate time. of course we need to be transparent over time. i think there are time and places where you can do that. when you can have a more

rational, calmer conversation. but when you're in the middle of a conflict with people who are beheading their hostages and dressing them up as if they're detainees of americans and want to use this against us. i'm not sure i'd want to play into their hands. so many americans are questioning authority coming out of ferguson and all these race issues. i'm not sure this is a time to put another log on that fire. >> all right, guys. we're going to continue this discussion, full analysis. a lot more of the details. all of our reporters and producers, they're going thro h through. and i have it right here. these hundreds of pages with all sorts of amazing details in this senate intelligence committee report. the official title committee starting of the central intelligence agency's detention and interrogation program. thanks very much. that's it for me. i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern in the "situation room." for our international viewers, amanpour is next. for our viewers in north

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all right. here we go. top of the hour. thank you so much for being with me here. what we're about to talk about for the next two hours, it is graphic, it is disturbing, brutal near drownings. medically unnecessary, quote, rectal feedings. one man chained naked on a concrete floor for days, eventually believed to have frozen to death. another detainee, sexually threatened with a broom k.