now. >> announcer: this is "new day," with chris cuomo, kate boldaun and michaela pereira. >> good morning, welcome to "new day," it's wednesday, december 10th, just before 6:00 in the east, chris cuomo and alisyn camerota here and americans could be in real dang they are morning as the fallout begins from the senate's blistering c.i.a. torture report. >> the u.s. military telling cnn that extremists and home-grown terrorists could retaliate at any time. this as new questions are raised about the spy agency's pattern of deception, why did agents use brutal tactics that the senate report concludes were inhe have beenive? let's get to senior white house correspondent jim acosta. >> president obama is standing by the release of this torture report. but former top c.i.a. officials are only beginning to speak out and defend their actions. it was stinging criticism for the c.i.a. from a sitting president. in an interview, president obama said the agency was wrong to use

harsh interrogation techniques on terror detainees after the 9/11 attacks. that amounted to torture. >> i think in the midst of a national trauma, and uncertainty as to whether the attacks were going to repeat themselves, what's clear is that the c.i.a. set up something very fast, without a lot of forethought to what the ramifications might be. >> the president was responding to senate intelligence committee chair, dianne feinstein's damning report on c.i.a. interrogations. that said detainees were waterboarded, kept in dungeon conditions while others were naked, hooded and dragged, slapped and punched. the report said the agency misled the bush administration about the program and no c.i.a. officer up to and including c.i.a. directors briefed the president on the tactics before april 2006. in response to the report, c.i.a. director john brennan saided brutal tactics did

produce intelligence, that helped thwart attack plans. feinstein told cnn that's wrong. >> an examination of the records going back to the beginning of the program indicates that this is simply not true. >> but three former c.i.a. directors say their program helped lead to the killing of osama bin laden. in an op-ed in the "wall street journal," three officials said they suspected that bin laden was planning to blow up new york city with a nuclear weapon. many top republicans accuse feinstein of unleashing a political attack. >> it's very clear this appears to be simply an attempt to rewrite history by the democrats, to bash the bush administration. >> but one gop senator, john mccain, a former prisoner of war defended the report saying torture does not work. >> i know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad

than good intelligence. >> and the president was careful not to call any of these harsh interrogation tactics crimes. and so far the justice department has given no indication that it will prosecute former c.i.a. officials for what happened during their interrogation program. and asked whether or not the president still stands by his claim that these interrogation tactics amounted to torture, a white house official said yes. alisyn and chris in. >> thanks for all of that. the release of the report on the c.i.a.'s use of torture on terror suspects after 9/11 has law enforcement across the country on high alert. the fbi and department of homeland security issuing a warning about possible terrorist retaliation, cnn's pamela brown is tracking developments from washington for us. >> we've learned the fbi, dhs join bulletin warning law enforcement agencies across the country that terrorists may want to exploit the torture memo findings as propaganda and use it as a recruiting tool. the bulletin says it could spark online reaction and eventually

influence home-grown violent extremists. the concern is even though the memo is unlikely to lead to violence in the near-term, it could eventually inflame extremists as it circulates on social media and picks up steam. there was a round table session with reporters yesterday with the fbi director james comey and he echoed the sentiment. other than that, he stayed tight-lipped on the memo. alisyn and chris? >> thanks so much. let's go over to chris. >> there's going to be a lot of debate here. but let's focus on what's right and what isn't and bring in mark fallon, former official of the dpatment of defense, director of club fed llc. you have personal and up-close knowledge of what was done and why. so let me ask you, does this report have it right? >> absolutely.

the report is consistent with the facts as i know them. and this is a committee that has worked for years compiling the data, reviewing the documentary evidence, it's quite clear, it is finally establishing and illuminating the darkness to the public on things that those of us on the inside have known for years. >> the former head of counterterrorism, bob grenier, said here yesterday, we did it, it was not torture, the lawyers told us that. and the government, the politicians who needed to know, knew what we were doing. is he lying? >> well, i don't know what he was told and who told him. i can tell you the assessment we made within the department of defense at the time was that it was torture. we opposed, the criminal investigation task force and those of us in the department of defense opposed what was going to occur. these tactics were gravitating to guantanamo bay and later went to abu ghraib. so there's a direct linkage to

what the c.i.a. did to their detainees to the abuses that occurred at abu ghraib. any legal analysis that i have heard, including my own review shows me these tactics are illegal. >> let's check each of the boxes. you say it was torture. he said it wasn't and the lawyers say that. he says only three people were waterboarded. do you believe that? >> well, i don't know how many people were waterboarded. but the abuse was more than waterboarding, there was assaults, i mean it is just, if you look at the details in that report, it is just -- a terrible reflection of our country. >> but it just goes to whether or not people are being honest or not. that's why he mentioned the three. so i asked you about the three. he said it was not deceptive, that it was open and the people who needed to know knew. do you believe that? >> i don't believe that is the case at all. >> you believe that a former head of c.i.a. counterterrorism

came on national television lied about what they were doing and how they were doing it? >> i didn't hear the interview, i don't know what he said, but i certainly do not believe that officials were told of the extent of this program. as i know it. >> the extent, is that giving cover to officials? or do you think what they weren't told was material and relevant? >> well you know, you have to go back to even how the derivative product they got out of this. i mean there was no research done into what the effective way to interrogate a detainee was, because we had done this for years, the fbi, joint task forces, had been for years interrogating terrorists and eliciting accurate and reliable information. when the c.i.a. got this report, i have no idea where they got the idea that these techniques would be efficient to elicit accurate information. >> i've had people from all corners of the military come to me and say stop acting like this

was new. these types of tactics happen all the time, by the u.s. and others, officially, on the battlefield, on the fly. this happens, don't treat it lie it's new, that's being intellectually dishonest, do you agree? >> i was the deputy commander of a task force of about 220 personnel with investigatives and interrogate everybodies at guantanamo, afghanistan and iraq. i can tell you we did not do this and we did not observe this. >> why would they have done such horrible things that are detailed in this report, i won't go into it on morning television, if they didn't think it was working and they didn't think they were supposed to? >> i think it was a policy bred from ignorance. the core competency of the c.i.a. is not to do interrogations and they did have a core of interrogators within the c.i.a. they did not turn to. the c.i.a. had some very, very good behavioral scientists. some operational psychologists,

i know, because they were supporting me at the citf. that's not who they turned to. they went to outside contractors. i was not at langley at that time. you'll have to ask them how they did an analysis to determine this was the way to do an interrogation. as an interrogation professional, i don't know any interrogation professional concur that's the way to do an interrogation. >> there's a mystery why they did something that so many people think wouldn't have worked. let me ask you releaeasing the report, good or bad idea in terms of american safety? >> i think it's an excellent idea to illuminate the darkness, believe me, other countries know what we've done, so the people we're hiding it from was the american public. so i think it's time to illuminate the darkness, we need to come clean with what we did and we need to move forward.

we have to determine now how do we best interrogate, detain suspects to protect the national security interests. and the government has done about $40 million of research about how to do that. we have to use science, we blend the art with science and do it more effectively in the future. >> they spent $40 million trying to figure it out. they spent hundreds of millions doing it the wrong way, mr. fallon, thank you so much for giving us some straight talk on this. there's so much to dig into here. we're going to look at this from all sides of the report this morning, the c.i.a.'s former top lawyer will weigh in next on why he says these techniques were not torture. in the meantime, over to mikhaila for more news. >> it looks like a government shutdown will be avoided, democrats and republicans agreeing on a more than $1 trillion catch-all spending bill to fund government operations through september of next year. now the bill also includes extra money to fight ebola and to fight isis. breaking this morning, a

mixed decision from the judge overseeing the oscar pistorius case, be a appeal of the not guilty verdict on murder charges can proceed, meaning the olympian may face a higher charge. but the judge dismissed a motion from prosecutors to reconsider the length of the five-year sentence she gave to pistorius on the conviction of culpable homicide. jonathan gruber apologizing for glib statements he made about obamacare. he was influential in shaping the affordable care act was grilled yesterday. he came under fire when videos surfaced showing him suggesting that the democrats purposefully misled americans to get the law passed. carolina panthers quarterback cam newton is expected to be released from the hospital today after being injured in a car crash in charlotte. newton suffered two fractures in his lower back when his truck flipped over. he was kept overnight for

observation. it's unknown whether or not he'll be able to play in the panthers game on sunday. >> he might be able to play with two fractures in his back? >> i'm doubting that highly. but the fact that he's being released is huge. >> testament to what kind of athlete he is. >> and what kind of shape he's in. >> we wish the best to him and oert driver involved. there's damaging storms on tap coast to coast. a stubborn nor'easter sticking around, while the west coast faces the worst storm in years. let's get to meteorologist chad myers, what's going on, chad? >> i know you think i hate you by sending you that big nor'easter. it was a brutal storm in the northeast. >> we agree. >> a powerful nor'easter packing heavy snow and torrential rain slammed the northeast overnight. the storm reportedly to blame for at least two deaths. one in new york, the other in

maine. as it bears down on the eastern seaboard. upstate new york and vermont seeing upwards of 12 inches of snow in the past 24 hours. and may get ten more before this week is over. further south -- officials issuing flood warnings from boston to new york. record-setting rain in new york city nearing three inches. the most rain ever on tuesday's date december 9th. >> we're stuck at home until this dies down. >> a bad day for air travel, over 1,000 flights canceled on tuesday and more than 2500 delays. near boston, massachusetts -- freezing rain creating treacherous black ice on roads. >> it was terrifying, actually. i was out of control for ten seconds. >> causing multiple rollovers and spinouts. this suv helplessly sliding into parked cars, sending it coasting down a neighborhood street.

>> even the sidewalk was dangerous. >> a lot of snow came down as well. killington, vermont, although you will take it up there in the ski resort, 14 inches. ably, only an inch and a half. more snow coming down today, especially in the higher elevations, around buffalo, syracuse, going to pick up another foot of snow. now that foot of snow is not going to get down to new york city or philadelphia. but there will be flurries in the sky in new york for effect i guess, for the next couple days as the storm does come just sits there and spins for a while. before it finally exits. the next story we'll be talking about is a major storm in the west. we'll get to that in the next couple days. but this will put feet of snow in the sierra, rain on the desert parched areas of northern california, they need this storm. they just don't need the flooding that's going to come with it. chad, thanks so much for that. now that we're seeing the grisly details of the c.i.a.'s torture tactics in the years

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the explosive findings in the senate report on c.i.a. torture have drawn a wave of criticism from the spy agency and members of the bush administration, who say their point of view was left out. so joining us now is someone directly involved in the decision to use those enhanced interrogation techniques. he's john rizzo, served as general counsel to the c.i.a. during the bush era and is also the author of "company man: 30 years of controversy and crisis in the c.i.a."

mr. rizzo, thanks so much for being here this morning. >> i want it go over the tactics that have been revealed in this report. at least those that i can say on morning television let's talk about what has come out. they say, i also want to find out why you wouldn't qualify these as torture. number one, they say the detainees were kept in complete darkness. sometimes for days, sometimes for weeks. in isolation. also, they were kept in freezing temperatures. they believe that it was so cold that it contributed to the death of one of the detainees. also, waterboarding as we've heard so much about. almost to the point of drowning. and also, the sleep deprivation, i hadn't heard the details of what this was like before. but detainees were kept awake sometimes for 180 hours. and the way they were kept awake was having their hands shackled above their heads so they could never be in a position to sleep.

if these things don't qualify as torture, what would? >> well first of all, alisyn, just to parse through the specifics there. that you just described, the first two, were abuses. i would characterize them as torture. >> meaning the isolation, the complete darkness and the freezing temperatures. >> correct. >> those were not supposed to happen? those were off the books? >> right. those were not among the improved enhanced interrogation techniques that the justice department approved in writing in august of 2002. >> okay. >> so those were clearly abuses. now the waterboarding and the sleep deprivation -- yes. those were approved techniques by the department of justice as not constituting torture. therefore, we proceeded to include those in some of the

ways we interrogated high-level al qaeda terrorists. >> yes. >> now this is not -- i should emphasize, this shouldn't be entirely news, because the justice department memos are actually addressed to me in 2002. described in rather chilling and graphic detail exactly what i just set forth. and they are, i mean they're very tough. i'm not going to say that these techniques, the waterboarding and the steppeded sleep deprivation, i'm not going to minimize it, these were very tough tactics. >> you describe them as tough, but don't believe they rise to the level of torture. let me read the legal definition of torture. this comes from the 1994 u.s. code. torture means an act committed by a person, acting under the color of law, specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering other than the pain or suffering incidental to lawful

sanctions among another person within his custody or physical control. if keeping someone awake for more than seven days in an uncomfortable position whereby they can't sleep and waterboarding them to within an inch of their life isn't inflicting severe at least mental pain and suffering, again, what is? >> well, you know, i mean you describe, that's the legal u.s. legal definition of torture. and these tactics were, were tough, were brutal. but i'm a lawyer and i didn't believe then and the justice department didn't conclude then, and honestly, i don't believe now that as harsh as they are, and as they are harsh, they did not rise to the legal threshold in the statute you just read. >> don't they inflict mental pain and suffering? >> they are tough, they are tough. and they inflict you know, psychological effects.

i don't gainsay that. but again, i don't mean to repeat myself, but these things do not rise to the legal threshold. >> well mr. rizzo, the upshot of all of this is they didn't work. according to senator dinian feinstein and the findings of the entire report, it's that they only produced false intelligence. fabricated intelligence. let me play for you what senator feinstein says her conclusion is. >> at no time did the c.i.a.'s coercive interrogation techniques lead to the collection of intelligence on an imminent threat that many believe was the justification for the use of these techniques. the committee never found an example of this hypothetical ticking time bomb scenario. >> mr. rizzo, do you know of one

solid example of a terror plot that was foiled as a result of these techniques? >> well first of all, i will say that i can't say that these, during the seven years as program there was the so-called ticking time bomb scenario described and uncovered. that's just not the way this program worked or what the threats were. there were specific terrorist plans, intentions, that were uncovered. through a maze of intelligence, but including intelligence derived by this program. now senator feinstein and the democrats on the committee are certainly free to make whatever conclusion they choose to make. i will say that those conclusions are vigorously contested in the c.i.a. rebuttal. in the republican intelligence committee minority report. and to me, most significantly, in, by leon panetta, president obama's first c.i.a. director.

a man who was against the program, ended, they called it torture. yet in his recent memoir, did say there's to doubt that the interrogation program produced important, even critical intelligence in the fight against al qaeda. >> john rizzo, we really appreciate you joining us on "new day." we understand that hindsight is 20/20 and it's wonderful to get your perspective and explanation for how all this happened, thanks so much for being here. >> i appreciate it. over to chris. one of the concerns is that this isn't just some domestic debate. this has been broadcast to the world. and the question is how will they react and will it hurt our relations with other countries? will it spur attacks against americans overseas or at home? we'll tell but the risks that the government sees. plus the royals' final star-studded night in new york and what a night it was. who did they rub elbows with? and how about the dress that stole the show? just my opinion. straight ahead. turn the trips you have to take,

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here's a look at your headlines, another night of dmop stragss coast to coast denouncing the killing of unarmed black men by police, pro at the timers marching through downtown, halting traffic on state freeway. plans to disrupt a city council meet wrg scrapped when the mayor canceled the event. the protests finding their way on to the athletic field and

athletic courts, last night kobe bryant and other lakers wore "i can't breathe" t-shirts during warm-up. in nashville, demonstratoro voicing anger at president obama. a town hall was held with president obama reassuring latinos. secretary of state john kerry calling on congress to not limit the war on ice toys just syria and iraq, also urging lawmakers to allow the use of ground troops if the president deems it necessary. the senate foreign relations committee will take up the issue on thursday. orion or as alisyn likes to call it, orion, is back on dry land. it was delivered to naval base san diego monday night. you'll recall the successful test flight took it 3600 miles

above earth on fry. nasa wanted to test the spacecraft's systems before it carried actual astronauts on deep space mission. the next orion launch -- put on your calendars, four years away, but manned flights are at least seven years away, we know you like to be where the action is. >> it's true. >> i don't dig the whole crash land into the sea. >> i loved watching it as a kid. i don't like that as my exit. >> you're saying they have to work out a different -- >> they have to figure it out. >> i want a better way. >> steps brought up to the spacecraft so he can walk off. >> the royal exit. >> thanks for the segue, my friend. we did have an outbreak of royal fever in new york city last night. the duke and duchess of cambridge, william and kate. showed new york socialites, what real social station is all b. a with a glamorous fundraiser at the metropolitan museum.

>> we've been wondering all week about what dress is she going to wear. >> a brilliant choice. >> let's show you. >> please. [ cheers and applause ] >> it was the moment the fashion-watchers had been holding out for. the duchess in an evening gown. all in honor of the university where she met prince william. st. andrews in scotland. tickets to the fundraiser sold out as people clamored to rub shoulders with royalty. tables costing up to $100,000. celebrities, including anna wintour, mary kate olsen, seth myers on hand. all eyes on kate's dress. >> prince william marking the occasion with high praise for his alma mater. >> it feels like the place where there's much more discovery to be done in the world. >> a glamorous end to a day that started somberly. on their first visit to new york, the duke and duchess of

cambridge were keen it pay their respects to those who perished in 9/11. they left flowers at a memorial reflecting pool. a note, handwritten by the duchess expressed sorrow for those who died and admiration for those who rebuilt this area. the pair visited a youth development program where they were treated to live musical dance and story-telling performances. the couple so moved by 22-year-old steven prescott's story, the prince william gave him his personal phone number to help him bring his show to the stage. then to a reception to celebrate brit who is have made it in new york. including "star trek's" sir patrick stewart. and then a spot of sight-seeing and a timely break in the rain, which meant the duke could take in the views from the empire state building. his pregnant wife, had taken time out to rest. the couple take home a flurry of

memories from their whistle-stop u.s. tour. all caught on camera and now part of royal history. and they're just landing right now. so they'll be able to see prince george. >> as moved as i was, i was thinking she might have gone with givenchy and it made her look five months pregnant in the most beautiful way. >> your analysis is appreciated. >> isn't it? his sartorial expertise. have you ever heard of the prince giving his personal phone number. >> he gets very engaged in these engagements, he wantsed to bring that performance to the uk. and he'll make it happen. >> fun reporting, max. >> they'll need a royal nap after all that. >> indeed. well could the senate's c.i.a. report trigger retaliation against america and what does it mean for obama's five-year campaign to close the federal prison in guantanamo?

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marines around the world on alert amid fears that the senate report on c.i.a. torture techniques could spark a backlash. tuesday the fbi and homeland security issued a bulletin warning the report could influence home-grown extremists while being used by terrorists for recruitment. how is the international community reacting? was the white house right to release the report now? let's bring in cnn's senior international correspondents, nick payton walsh and nic robertson. the argument against releasing this report is that it would inflame extremists in the type of places where you normally

work. have you seen any response to this report's release? >> notably no, not really at this stage. not seeing embassies surrounded by angry crowds, seeing some staple reactions from iran, khamenei saying it's part of the shameful record of the u.s. on torture. there was terrifying detail we didn't know, but a lot of it was presumed and a lot of it was perhaps thought to be worse by many critics of america. so i don't think anyone is particularly blown away by what's in this. >> they're going to use it for propaganda. their fight in iraq and syria is costing them dearly in fighters, so they need to keep recruiting people more. they will use this to their advantage if they can. don't be surprised if we see snippets of debate ending up in some of this sort of isis propaganda clips, i've talked to taliban leaders before, former

taliban leaders in guantanamo bay, held in bagram and afghanistan. and they talked about all sorts of things that happened to them. maybe some imagined, maybe some real. so the narrative is already out there. it's not a surprise to these guys, but they will manipulate it and they will try to use it. >> what do you think in terms of this is somewhat of a surprise to the uninitiated, right? these are tactics that we've heard about in the media and certainly when you cover these situations anecdotally, you lear about them all the time. it seems that the expectation is that it's over. do you think that's an optimism that may not be met by reality. >> those on the ground in the middle east thinks the c.i.a. does bad things the whole time. they're not surprised by this. and the frankly the torture you see every day in the middle east is off the charts. the western hostages held by isis, when they did emerge talked about waterboarding, clearly something that was done to them perhaps as some sort of

symbolic gesture after what's been reported in guantanamo and elsewhere. some of the details in here are chilling and we may hear of them again in the future there are less hostages still alive than was the case a few months ago, that's one chilling thing we may hear of again. >> on the flip side. one of the arguments for releasing report is it would somehow engender respect for the u.s. by showing our transparency and accountability. is that wishful thinking or is that possible? >> there are many countries that would like to partner with the united states, great britain is one of them and every time they would seek to do that, the critics would say, look at the c.i.a., look what the c.i.a. has done. britain has been part of the rendition program as has other countries in europe. this is hard for politicians to stand up and argue, we should commit air campaign to join the united states fighting isis in syria. at the moment they only do it in iraq. so you know they, this will give some moral support to governments and leaders like

that. to say look the united states, yes, maybe it's got a checkered past and is trying to come clean. i think in part this may help. but the critics are always going to be on the one side and they'll get ammunition here. the people that want to believe and support because of it. this will help them. >> the critics of the u.s. find the transparency baffling. i remember in january of 2012, there was incidents of some korans being burned at a u.s. military base. but the u.s. came out and said we did do that and we're sorry. and there were some afghans couldn't believe they didn't bother to lie. i think that transparency culture works well in some culture, but the level of self-int self-intro spection is unheard of in other places. >> what's your perspective whether or not the coalition is working. >> it's not winning, it's holding it back, potentially,

the air strikes in kobani, mean the kurds will never be able to run. and the air strikes mean isis won't be able to take. each month that passes, isis gets fractionally weaker. but unless there a sea change in how they function, or a larger change in terms of politics in the region this will go on for years. >> nic, what do you think the release of the report does for guantanamo and the detainees still being held? >> it's certainly going to lift the lid on what's been going on. and provide that transparency. and perhaps give ammunition to those that want to see it shut down. you know, to say we need to continue on a different footing. the sort of details of that argument can go both ways. you know, we should be keeping this secret. our enemies will use it against us, but the narrative that

guantanamo bay and closing it down helps clean the sheet and put that behind us, potentially in the longer run is a stronger run for our allies, not everyone views the world through the same way that we do. in the middle east, you know, we have allies we need to keep on side. they also need to be able to show their people, look the united states is doing this, is stepping in the right direction. >> great to see you both. you do such excellent reporting, we're always impressed with your pieces as we show them here on "new day," thanks so much for coming in. >> best for the holidays, gentlemen, you may want to stick around and watch this. we have angelina jolie coming on for you here. she's tackled sufrling around the world and a mom of six, you probably know who her husband is here's her biggest challenge is. it's her second time directing, she's taking on what may be the greatest survival story ever told, "unbroken" what's interesting is the choices she makes in this movie but what the

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can -- "unbroken" she formed a very personal connection with the man at the center of it, louis zamperini. >> a kid who goes from outrunning cops to outrunning almost everyone in the world at the olympics. that would be impressive enough. but it's only the beginning. he would become a top bomber during world war ii, survive a crash and then an unheard of 47 days at sea in a raft. only to be captured by japanese forces and endure two and a half years of torture by a psychopath in a prison camp. >> you are enemies. of japan.

look me in the eye. the story of zamperini's survival became an instant bestseller and there was only one title that could ever do it justice. actress angelina jolie now takes on the daunting task of bringing it to the screen. >> this story may be one of the best survival stories that i have ever read. and you feel the same way. >> yes. >> but how do you make the decision to take on the task of telling a story like this? >> blind bravery. that's an expression. i loved this story so much. like so many people, i had to convince them and convince myself i could do it. but i was convincing them i can

do a shark attack. and i have a plan. i have a plan for how to recreate the olympics. it's, i'm not afraid of cg at all. >> how did you make the choices, though? usually you have a linear story. but this one -- >> so hard. >> there's so many parts of this. >> i remember reading it thinking why has it taken over 50 years for somebody to do this. it's the most obvious movie and then there was a day where i thought, that's why. i ended up making this graph of okay, what are the themes of his life. there's endurance, there's the facing abuse, there's faith. what's amazing about the story is so many people say was that all true? that was not even it. there was so much more. it's actually less than his life. so it's really unbelievable. >> and he had struggles that he overcame once he came home as well. they're so relevant, today's fighting men and women. >> what we did with that section is we talked about it. we said he comes home and what

happens? he becomes very vengeful, full of hate. wants to kill the bird, goes very dark. >> i want to kill him. >> then they shoot you. >> i don't give a damn, let them shoot me. >> that's not how, we beat him by making it to the end of the war alive. >> and then remembers the, remembers the promise he made on the raft to god, remembers his mother praying. so what we decided we would always have faith through the movie and this idea of darkness and light and darkness and light. >> you take this book, it's a legendary epic story of perseverance and survival. first you've got to make me happy, i'm the audience. now you've got to make zamp happy and you know he's coming towards the end of his life. he's okay with it. but you want to show him the movie, what is that like? >> so i got to call he was in the hospital. it took me by surprise and i brought it on my laptop and i held it over him in the hospital room and it was, one of the most

extraordinary experiences of my life. i think i went in there thinking you know is he going to like the movie? and of course it had nothing to do with the movie or making a movie. it was a man at the end of his life. this mountain of a man at the end of his life. remembering his mother, his brother, all the friends he had lost. and when he, at this fragile state, seeing himself cross the finish line and be all that he had been in his life. and i think it was, he was preparing himself to pass away. he was revisiting his memories and i was just there to watch the sparkling blue eyes. and just felt honored to be there. just felt honored to be there. >> what a gift. what a gift you gave him, what a gift he gave you. >> what did he say? did he like it? >> well he didn't say. that's the thing. no, he didn't say, he didn't, it

wasn't, he was never planning on reviewing it. you know? he would have, and he probably would have told me he loved it regardless because he was that kind of a guy. and then before i left, because it was the last thing he said to me. he said something to me which i will never tell anyone. it was extremely louie. i walked out of the room laughing and smiling. how did he do it, even in this moment take care of me and i'm walking out of his hospital room with a big smile on my face feeling he wanted to make me feel it was okay. so he was great, he was great. >> what an extraordinary man. >> but, the story is extraordinary. the movie sounds like it's going to be extraordinary. but it seems like you and angelina had a little bit of a connection there. i'm serious, you got more sort of personal information out of her, a softer side than i have seen in some interviews. >> i was a little baffled at the end of the interview.

i saiding ing aing a ing aing much. and she said absolutely, frank. she made choices that were a reflection of her own. she does not talk about the stuff that's happened in her life very often. she acknowledge it is in the interview and what it means for her and what she's doing with her own family. we're going to show you more of that coming up. >> you got her to talk about those things. >> she wanted to talk about it. >> the film got her to talk about it, too. >> i'll give him credit. >> believe me, i'll give myself credit. just don't deserve it right here. there's a lot of news in addition to this, so let's get to it. >> the c.i.a. spent $40 million to prevent us from issuing this report. >> it's a pure political piece of crap. >> the c.i.a. set up something very fast, without a lot of forethought. >> it was rogue buy bidecision. people at the top didn't want to be aware of the specifics. >> this is something that is

without precedent. >> grand central terminal in new york. the seventh straight day of demonstrations. >> they're moving slowly towards the new york city police department headquarters. a silent shout from chicago bulls player, derrick rose. >> you got something to say, i think it's a great message. good morning, everyone, welcome back to "new day," i'm alisyn camerota alongside chris cuomo. america in the line of fire this morning. that is the very real threat this morning and fear as bombshell details surface from the senate's c.i.a. torture report. >> top u.s. officials are now legitimately worried that these revelations could cause reprisals worldwide. maybe help isis even luring new recruits, there as new questions are raised about why the c.i.a. continued the torture tactics, even as the report says they weren't working, let's get to senior white house correspondent jimt acosta. >> president obama is standing

by the release of this torture report saying mistakes were made. former top c.i.a. officials are only beginning to speak out, defending their actions. it was stinging criticism for the c.i.a. from a sitting president. in an interview with telemundo, president obama says the agency was wrong to use harsh interrogation techniques on terror detainees after the 9/11 attacks. that amounted to torture. >> i think in the midst of a national trauma, anden certainty as to whether these attacks were going to repeat themselves. what's clear is the c.i.a. set up something very fast. without a lot of forethought to what the ramifications might be. >> the president was responding to senate intelligence committee chair dianne feinstein's damning report on c.i.a. interrogations that said detainees were waterboarded, kept in dungeon conditions, others naked, hooded

and dragged, slap and punched. the report says the agency misled the bush administration. and no c.i.a. officer or director briefed the president on the tactics before april 2006. john brennan said the tactics did produce intelligence that did help thwart attack plans. feinstein told cnn, that's wrong. >> an examination of the records, going back to the beginning of the program indicates that this is simply not true. >> but three former c.i.a. directors say their program helped help lead to the killing of osama bin laden. in an op-ed in the "wall street journal," george tenant, michael hayden and porter goss said they suspected that al qaeda was planning to blow up new york city with a nuclear weapon. adding that it felt like a ticking time bomb scenario every day. many top republicans accuse feinstein of unleashing a political attack. >> this appears to be an attempt

to rewrite history by the democrats, to back the bush administration. >> but one gop senator, john mccain, a former prisoner of war defended the report saying torture does not work. >> i know from personal experience, that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good intelligence. >> now the president was careful not to label these harsh interrogation tactics crimes. and so far, the justice department has given no indication that it's going to prosecute former c.i.a. officials for what happened. and asked whether or not the president still stands by his claim that these interrogation tactics amounted to torture, a top white house official said yes. chris? >> that gets into the issue of the legal clearance that was given. and two versions of that as well. there's more to sort out. thank you for the reporting. alisyn, over to you. >> our next guest represents 18 guantanamo bay detainees and has heard that are stories about how they were treated in detention.

george reams joins us now. what have your clients told you about their experience during c.i.a. interrogations. >> i have one client who experienced exactly what the report talks about. he was put in a secret c.i.a. prison, stripped, put in a lightless room. bombarded with loud music, taken into interrogation. where strobe lights were shown in his eyes. chained to the wall so he couldn't sleep. everything is documented in his case. and in the case of other clients that i have. >> there are other things that are documented in that particular detainee's case. i want to read these, because this is apparently the information that he had, that he knew, that they could have gotten out of him. this is according to a 2008 department of defense assessment. they say that your client, he had foreknowledge of the 1993 world trade center bombing and he had foreknowledge of the 2000

attack on the "u.s.s. cole" and also had knowledge of a meeting that involved al qaeda members planning other attacks. if they could have gotten information out of him, before these things, obviously he was detained after these things happened. since he was in the know, and since he did have knowledge, even of future attacks, they believed because of this al qaeda meeting, couldn't you make the argument that whatever they did to him, if they kept him awake for 180 hours, it would have been worth it to spare people's lives? >> you're assuming that what the government says he did is true. this is like an indictment, the defense has not made its case and can't make its case because most of the information that's relevant is kept classified. >> i'm assuming what they say is true, because you're assuming what your client says is true. you're taking your client's position and i'm, i can only go by what the department of

defense tells us, on face value it seems as though that client was connected enough that he might have had some sort of life-saving information and many people would say that if they could have gotten that out of him before an attack, that it would have been worth it. >> i don't except the premise the government has not introduced evidence or provided any support for its claims. i just think on the face of it you're looking at what the government said. and not what happened. this is the problem. they can make the accusations, we cannot respond to the accusations. but i think the important thing here is the report itself. the report is too little, too late. it conceals more than it reveals. it doesn't follow the chain of responsibility up the command. congress didn't act when it could have acted to prevent torture and now the report itself comes out five years after the release for calls for accountability. it's really focusing direction as all of these broadcasts show,

on the fact that we did bad things and what the bad things were. well we knew we did bad things. we knew ha they were. but that's what people focus on, rather than the lack of accountability and responsibility. >> so mr. remes, what are you calling for today? >> if i were to have my requests honored, there would be prosecution, there would be prosecutions all the way up the chain to vice president cheney and president bush himself for the crimes that they authorized. and also lower down officials for the crimes they sanctioned and committed. i think accountability is the key here. >> here's what president obama said yesterday on telemundo about the c.i.a. and people trying to do their jobs. listen to this. >> i think it's important for us not to paint a broad brush about all the incredible dedicated professionals in our intelligence community. but i think it is also important

for us to face up to the fact that when countries are threatened, oftentimes they act rashly in ways that in retrospect were wrong. >> now the president obama is saying that there were clearly wrongs done here. do you think that there will ever be prosecutions? >> no, i don't think so. america rarely holds its officials responsible. in fact the maximum responsibility that's placed is publicity about what people did. if this report had come out in 2009, when president obama was suggesting that officials be held responsible, it might have had an impact. but the c.i.a. was allowed to slow-road it for five years and now it's really an historical document more than an action document. >> mr. remes, are you comfortable that if your clients were released from guantanamo, they would go back to the bat snl. >> i don't believe they were in

the battle in the first place. there's the premise again. the government has not shown that i have 19 clients, i've had two dozen over the years. these men have been in guantanamo for 13 years. the world has changed, they have changed. we've really moved on from 9/11. this, this report is really stuck in the past. it's an anachronism. >> do you believe we will see guantanamo close? >> i do not. i don't because president obama will not allow to bring detainees into the united states. detainees that we won't transfer because the government thinks that they're too dangerous to release. where do they go? not to the united states, they stay at guantanamo. >> david remes, thanks so much for joining us on "new day." great to get your perspective. we start with live pictures

of a wonderful ceremony happening right now, malala yousafzai is being awarded the nobel peace prize this morning. a live look at the ceremony under way in oslo, norway. malala is the youngest nobel laureate. she survived a near fatal attack by the taliban in 2002. sitting by her side, also being honored, they will share the prize, a man who gave up his career as an electrical engineer to campaign against child labor. a special ceremony for both of them and to fight for children's rights around the globe. new rules developed by a task force call for commercial planes to be tracked every 15 minutes. it's being implemented in the wake of the disappearance of malaysia flight 370. it calls for the tracking of planes no matter where they are. airlines with planes not equipped with the proper tracking equipment have been given a one-year deadline to install. another black eye for the

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groups. >> carmen and shirelle have been the main organizers of bringing us together. they've done an incredible job of organizing folks around this city and folks around the country have come to new york to support the movement. >> one thing that's been whispered when we were covering the big early protests in new york, so big people saying it's just the occupy people, they're back, this is what they do. is that true? >> no, it's not there are people from occupy that are part of this movement and we are organizers and we've come together to make an impact. >> shirelle, what is an international day of action, that's what you're call for, what is is that? >> it's for context today is international human rights today. it's a global call that black and brown lives matter, not just here in the u.s., but abroad. a show of solidarity with the students in mexico this is a show of solidarity with the black and brown lives in london in the middle east, in africa and just a call that this is not just an american problem, but an

international problem and it needs an international scope. >> the list of demands, i don't like calling it that. but in the graphic they came out, it is framed that way. what do you want to see change? i don't like this dialogue of what do you want what are the demands. it makes it seem so hostile. but really this is about change for everybody. what are the changes? >> the first and foremost thing is we have to look at how we prosecute these casesth and there should be a special prosecutor for any time a police office certificate involved in excessive force or deadly force. >> why? >> if you look at local county prosecutors, they work with police every day. they're they'ir team. it's almost a conflict of interest to prosecute their own. >> but they say the only people who brought cops to justice are the same prosecutors. they say basically you're saying i can't do my job. you're saying i can't be fair. do you think that's the reality? do we have to take it case by case? >> since amadou deala was killed

in new york city only two police officers have been indicted in the past 15 years. i would say they've not done their job, 27% of them are unarmed. >> you're making an assumption. if i had done that, it would be boy this guy got away with something. we're talking about police officers, use of force is part of the job. the people they wind up using force on overwhelmingly wind up being criminal people. >> we're seeing things on tape, seeing the death happen and they're not getting to trial, forget getting charged with a crime. not getting to trial. we're only asking for an indictment. we're asking fnot asking for a guilty verdict. >> this comes down to people like you, people like me, given the evidence, make the decision. you don't like the decision, do you think it was intentional, that they were trying to hide from the truth here? how do you explain why in ferguson and here, you had groups of regular folks see the

stuff and say, i don't see it. >> i believe it's biased. i definitely believe there's a bias in the system and so those that are making it to become part of the jury, aren't necessarily the people that represent our communities. and so we want to see a change in that. >> what do you want to see? >> we want to see a change -- we want our people to be part of the jury process. but oftentimes we have to go to work. we get screened rather quickly and we're not part of the actual -- >> who is we, by the way? >> the people that are affected by these policies. that's who we are we are impacted by these issues and that's why we're out on the streets. >> now you'll hear people from the white community and the asian community say hey, we get it, too, by the way and probably in raw numbers, they get it more. you're dealing with percentages of population. do you want to be careful about being exclusionary? >> i think we're being very inclusive in the work that we're doing. if you look at justice league,

we're a group of young diverse people. we're from all different couple kult turs, so we're being very inclusive. but this impacts black and latino communities more and that's what we're seeing is that eric garner, michael brown, oscar grant, troy -- these are black men that are being killed here in america. and we want to see that stop. >> i also want to add black men and women, there's power in naming anti-black sentiments what they are, right? police violence, police brutality, anti-black police violence isn't just anecdotal, right. it's not just story, it's systemic and institutional. we have to recognize that. >> easy to say, tough to do. you first risk is you wind up demonizing all the people who keep us safe. you want to figure out who is your problem. throwing out words, institutional, systemic. do you think the cops are just set up to abuse these

populations or do you think it's something else? >> i think some of the popcies set in place are racist and classist. we've heard bratton come out and talk about seeing that there's a problem. but he's holding steadfast to policies that don't work. policies that are responsible for the death of eric garner. policies like the broken window policy that i believe do disproportionately affect poor communities and specifically black poor communities. >> low crime isn't enough. it's low crime at what price? >> let me ask you a question, this is an evolving conversation, that's the real problem. what do you do when there's no more crisis? why are we covering it right now, we're in crisis. what happens when there is no crisis. you know you can always come here. out in berkeley, these are not protests, they were riots, there's a difference, okay, when the goal of the organization and the movement is violence, that's not a protest, that's not what our law protects, what do you think about the people doing

that, what's your message to them? >> we would never, ever condone any sort of violence. >> when you say we want this or else, people start filling in what "or else" means. >> some people, 99% of those in the streets across the country have been peaceful. we actually commend the mayor of the city and the police commissioner for allows these protests to happen and stand back a little bit. we've been in the streets every single night and we'll be on the streets every night until the demands are met. angry does not mean violent. let us remember that. just because we're angry does not mean we're violent. and the folks in berkeley. you're right to some extent, chris, but you're also wrong to some extent. some folks have been violent. but the majority have not been violent. same thing if ferguson, yes, there are folks who burned buildings and cars, but 99% of the folks were on the streets for 100 plrs days were exercising the first amendment right. >> i want to get into the practice of not having all the

conversationsing central around the response to a tragedy. but why an officer can kill black people around the country, right? >> if you want to say excessive force is wrong and violence is wrong. you don't want to be the problem you're trying to expose. >> what's happening, was happening a lot what i see especially in ferguson, is it's almost as if i hit you, but the cameras ohm come on when you hit me back, right? that's what's been happening in ferguson. i was there early when a lot of the protests were simply people just wanting to express their moral outrage and kind of also come together to mourn and cops showed up in riot gear and shields, so you're telling me before you say any words, that you already think that i'm going to be violent. that is provocation, right? >> that's a problematic dynamic. we've seen play out. hopefully we start moving towards the progress part of this conversation. that's why we're here. cherelle, carmen, michael, thank

you very much. keep the conversation going, being safe. congress says if has a deal to keep the government running, what's in the giant bill they want to pass? john king has the answers, "inside politics."

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. let's look at the headlines, security is heightened at u.s. military bases and diplomatic posts around the world following the release of the senate's bombshell c.i.a. torture report. the agency is accused of sexually abusing die tanes in dark rooms, beating them and forcing them to go without sleep

for days. meantime the head of the c.i.a. remains unapologetic, claiming the enhanced interrogations helped thwart terror attacks. protests from coast to coast over the police killings of unarmed black men in new york, law enforcement officials are promising to rebuild trust. that did not stop demonstrators from jamming grand central station to reenact the chokehold death of eric garner. in berkeley, protesters halting traffic on a state freeway. heavy rein book-ending the nation today. folks in the east getting drenched as a nor'easter holds out for days and on the west coast, folks can expect heavy rains, up to five inches in some places and along with that, some potentially damaging winds. a miracle at sea. imagine this, 67-year-old fisherman ron ingram found alive

12 days after his boat went missing in the pacific ocean. search crews covered about 12,000 miles looking for him when the first mayday call came in. they couldn't find him and eventually the search was called off. on tuesday, though, another mayday call came, this time -- they found him. 65 miles off honolulu, they found him, he was weak, hungry, clearly dehydrated, but very much alive. he's currently aboard a coast guard cutter and headed to terra firma. 12 days. after they had called off one of the search, incredible. >> 67. >> i herd you say -- oh where is terra firma? now let's get to politics with john king. >> your brain is still tied up after your tough interview with angelina jolie. >> don't hate me. >> that was not hate, that was jealousy. trust me, my friend.

good morning to you, let's go "inside politics," a busy time, supposed to be sleepy december in washington, but it's not, with me is nia malika henderson of the "washington post" and peter hanby. only in washington can you have something called a cromnibus. we do continuing resolutions, an omnibus spending act, you put them together and you get what they're calling the cromnibus. they have the deal, democrats and republicans negotiated, give and take on both sides. the question is, can tea party forces gum this up? and will the government shut down? this morning it looks like no, maybe they'll gum it up for a day or two, but the government will stay open. >> there were questions, whether nancy pelosi will get behind this. she said she probably will be able to. so it looks like all of those fights that we're so used to on the e11th hour in delaying

christmas and holiday plans, it looks like so far they're able to avoid it we'll have to see what happens. >> we remember the democrats still run the senate that will change in january, for the next couple of weeks, the democrats run the senate. in the negotiations, the republicans said they needed a couple of things to give their support. there's no funding for the district of columbia's new marijuana law, the republican says we're not going to give any money for that. it loosens the school lumpl requirements, a key michelle obama priority, to require more healthy lunches, it allows states to opt out. so mrs. obama won't like that one and it dramatically eases campaign finance rules that allow even more money. that's a mitch mcconnell priority and the republican side allows big donors to give even mother money. the question is peter did republicans get enough to satisfy their base? >> it seems like both parties got what they a -- both parties got a lot of what they wanted behind closed doors, pet projects, small spending

advocates are going through the bill. all this stuff happened behind closed doors. the issue here, i think is, immigration reform, we're just talking about will tea party forces get enough to shut down the government or not shut down the government. what they decided on is to fund the department of homeland security through february to avoid a government shutdown. they've realize the political cost to counteract the president's fight on immigration. they have to find other things to do before then. to try to derail the immigration plan and no one is sure what that's going to be. all of that said, other than that homeland security funding and the immigration spat, both parties here seem to agree that this cromnibus is agreeable. >> to keep the government funded. the republicans want to revisit the immigration debate next year. they think there will be more republicans, it will be good for them. the issue is quicksand. one of the guys in the middle of all this is harry reid, he's

still the majority leader of the united states senate. in just a few weeks he'll be the minority leader. an interesting interview with politico, when he talks about his new role. he said it's much easier to be in the minority. i've got a president who will back me up. i'll be happier if we're unfortunate enough if it gets to the president, he'll trust he'll veto it, by crazy stuff, he means the republican agenda. in his view. he goes on to say they ask him why, why, you had 54 seats, you have 55 seats today. republicans will have 54 in january, why the big swing? harry reid said we never recovered from the obamacare rollout. the rollout didn't go well. we never recovered from that. isn't he beating up on obama when he says that? >> he is. and this is something we've heard. i mean chuck schumer has talked about the damaging price that

health care, that democrats paid because of health care. he's talking about the rollout here. think we're going to see more of this mouthing off from democrats in terms of this president and also harry reid is in this new place where he's got these two wings of the party. more moderate and more progressive, ascendant ring wing. >> this is reid doing a round of interviews, heading into a minority status, saying i'm still relevant but you're right. you've got claire mccaskill and heidi hide kamp among others, six no votes for him to be leader. they lost of course, there was an alternative and elizabeth warren, ron widen, progress i have beens feel emboldened in this moment and there are plenty of democratic senators, they may not say on the record who don't like how harry reid handled lem legislation during 2014. he didn't bring any bills to the floor to give them something to vote on and go back to their constituents and say, i passed this. >> after you lose the dissent

comes much more to the surface, we saw it in the final couple years of the bush presidency among republicans and now we'll see it among democrats. the president was on the road yesterday defending and promoting his executive actions on immigrations. he sat down with jorge ramos who has been critical on immigration reform. the president gets prickly. >> the question is, are we doing the right thing and have we consistently tried to move this country in a better direction. and those like you sometimes jorge, who suggest that there are simple quick answers to these problems. >> i didn't say that. >> yes, you do, that's how you present it. when you present it in that way, it does a disservice, because it makes the assumption that the political process is one that can easily be moved around depending on the will of one

person. and that's not how things work. >> a tad defensive there. >> a tad defensive. and you know, this is very much like all of the fights that obama was having with immigration activists up until this time. and there was bad blood between those folks and this president, and i think what we see there is just indicative of some of that. whether or not it's lingering, whether or not this executive order and possible immigration reform will wash all that away is unclear. >> it was interesting because a lot of those activists have since got on board with the president, some of them travelled to nashville with him yesterday as he made the case for executive action. but ramos -- >> there's still a lingering tension between -- >> so let's close with this. rick santorum in an interview with the "washington post" makes clear he's running for the republican presidential nomination. a former pennsylvania senator. this time he says it will be different. he was the social conservative knt knd.

he said he'll focus more on how he got his start in application. i remember when he ran an campaign on lunch bucket blue collar steel country pennsylvania, said he'll have a mix of both. >> he would talk about his i guess it was his father who was you know, worked in the coal mine and you know, his forbearer who is were blue collar workers, he's always been the blue collar moralist. sort of combining that working-class ethics with religion. and he was a favorite among that he's going to have a crowded field. >> during the dark days of romney's primary campaign against santorum. the one thing that scared romney people the most was that santorum could connect with blue collar working class voters the way that romney could not. santorum could not resist overstepping on the social issues, had he kept it in check, he could have won ohio, he could have won michigan, the romney campaign would have collapsed. if he can keep those things in

check, maybe he could be a contender, but he's still definitely an underdog. >> as we get back to new york, he's an asterisk in the polls right now, but don't discount him, rick santorum. he went from 1% to winning iowa, he could have been more of a presence, but his early signals that he's running, this that's our impact of seeing dr. ben carson. the noted pediatric neurosurgeon saying he's exploring. the social conservative. rick santorum saying i'm here, too, don't forget me. >> is there any bigger indicator than the sweater vest is back. the sweater vest is back, that means he's running. >> it will probably come up in holiday sales. sleeves slow him down. >> i have one somewhere. >> underneath your suit, i bet. john, thanks so much. well the outrage over the killing of eric garner and michael brown hitting the hardcourt. nba superstars taking up the cause. will they go beyond t-shirts and

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decisions in the deaths of michael brown and eric garner have found a new arena. literal arena, in los angeles, the lakers kobe bryant donning an i can't breathe t-shirt, he joins several other professional athletes in the nba and nfl who have shown support for the cause while on the job. joining us now to weigh in is our political commentator and turner sports analyst greg anthony. you're the man to talk to about all this. your long storied career in the nba. you see the hands up t-shirts, you see the jerseys, and the warm-up shirts, you see it all. the hands up don't shoot, do you think, what do you think this means to the movement to have professional athletes throwing their support and their passion behind the cause? >> well i think first and foremost. it keeps the process alive. i think it keeps it in the conversation, which is very important at this time. regardless or irrespective of where you fall in terms of your

opinion on those cases, the fact that the dialogue will continue, think is very important. and athletes in general have typically been at the forefront of these kinds of movements, it's not uncommon. but i like the fact that lebron did what he did. that kobe and the lake verse done what they've done. that stuff is important. but what's also important is that our league, you know, the commissioners also come out and support. that's not always the case when you think about social movements, so i think it's critical. and i think that society as a whole is focusing in. you're seeing protests all around the country in support and people in essence being fed up with what they perceive to be a miscarriage of justice. >> we want to play the sound from commissioner adam silver. he did show support. i also think he said let's stay focused on the game. let's listen. >> i have a tremendous respect for our players and the fact that they want to speak out on an issue and i always support them doing that.

my sense is, that to respect it. i think at some point we got to move on. i mean there's so many important issues, that ultimately, i think the playing court itself has to be a place that where it's only about the competition, and not a political forum. >> so what about that? what about the notion there will be people that say, i just want to sew them play, i don't want to hear all the political statements. what is your response? >> i think they saw them play, the lakers won a game, that's a big deal, right? listen i think you will, you didn't hear a lot of comments prior to from the lakers when they went out there were going to be some comments after. i think it's important that you continue to push for whatever cause or passion you have. and i mean listen, athletes have an opportunity, because of the platform that they've been fortunate enough to be given to express those. and i don't think we ever want to lose sight of that. and regardless of what that message is, right now this obviously is a hot-button topic. i'm really proud of my brethren,

they continue to push forward with that message. >> is there a chance there could be repercussions, we know lebron has all of those endorsement deals is there a chance there could be a slippery loslope for the sponsors? who may say we're not going to endorse them any more? >> there's a bit of calculation here. think this in a lot of ways, when you look at the eric garner case, i think that has gotten support from whites and blacks. that was not necessarily just a racial issue. so i don't think so. quite frankly, you didn't see the same type of reaction from the michael brown case in terms of a lot of the athletes. so i do think from that standpoint, it was smart to go this route. because you even saw the commissioner. there hasn't been a lot of backlash, nor will there be because of the video and how graphic that case was for eric garner and his family. >> there is momentum. there is energy. how do we move on past that? the protests, the t-shirts, the

slogans, how do we move this forward is the question. because dialogue only goes so far. how do we make substantive change, greg, in your opinion? >> i think the same reason that we have a black president, is one reason why this message is starting to resonate. it's because more and more white people have started to be able to not only empathize, but feel some compassion for what has been the black experience in america. and i think that is why you're starting to see this have far more momentum than we've seen on issues of race and inequality in our society in the past. and i think that's what in essence brought about the civil rights movement. i think that's why you're starting to see this resonate in our society. and i really applaud america for taking a stand in this case. because that's truly how we bring about change in america. >> and greg anthony, we remember growth is often painful, it doesn't always come smoothly. we appreciate your voice on our show, good to talk to you, greg.

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larson, you step back in time. >> so this is one of the very coolest things. this is the skull of this t-rex, the murray text. >> as in tyrannosaurus rex an 8-ton, more than of 6 million-year-old fossil he has collected. when you find a skull what is that? >> like eecstasy. it's pure joy. >> reporter: he can't contain it. >> back here we have more interesting things to look at, the outside of a vertebrae, filled with pieces of skin. before we go, this is really cool. this is a big dinosaur. this is one of the biggest. >> reporter: as we talk about murray, it's another name that he keeps mentioning. >> this is pretty much sue's size and sue's age, very, very old. >> reporter: does everything come down to sue in your life in. >> i think so. there's sort of a before sue and after sue sort of thing, so i guess you might say that. >> reporter: sue, the single

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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com ineffective and brutal, that's what a senate report concludes about the cia's torture tactics after 9/11. the gruesome findings reveal disturbing methods of interrogation. did the spy agency go rogue? the debate over the political implications heats up. president obama gets personal about race issues in the united states. we'll talk with the. the's former personal aide. is the president doing enough after the michael brown and eric garner cases? will this be president obama's legacy? angelina jolie talks about waging her battle with breast cancer while making her own movie and how she's trying to make the world a better place.

>> your "new day" continues right now. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. >> it stopped raining for a minute. >> yes, and only a minute. good morning, welcome back to "new day." it is wednesday, december 10th, just after 8:00 in the east. chris cuomo and alisyn camerota here. it is only a matter of time before terrorists strike. not my words, those are the words of top u.s. officials worried about the release of the cia torture report. >> this as more questions surface about how the agency got their methods approved and why agents used the brutal tactics when they were reportedly not effective. we get to white house correspondent jim acosta. >> reporter: president obama is standing by the release of this torture report saying mistakes were made but former top cia officials are only beginning to speak out and they are defending their actions. it was stinging criticism for the cia from a sitting president, in an interview with telemundo, president obama said

the agency was wrong to use harsh interrogation techniques on terror detainees after the 9/11 attacks that amounted to torture. >> i think in the midst of a national trauma, and uncertainty as to whether these attacks were going to repeat themselves, what's clear is that the cia set up something very fast without a lot of forethought to what the ramifications might be. >> reporter: the president was responding to senate intelligence committee chair dianne feinstein's daning report on cia interrogations that said detainees were watter boarded, kept in dungeon conditions, others naked, hooded and dragged while being slapped and punched. the report said the agency misled the bush administration about the program and no cia officer up to and including cia directors briefed the president on the tactics before april, 2006. in response to the report, cia director john brennan said the

brutal tactics did produce intelligence that helped thwart attack plans, capture terrorists and save lives. feinstein told cnn that's wrong. >> an examination of the records going back to the beginning of the program indicates that this is simply not true. >> reporter: but three former cia directors say their program helped lead to the kig of oll oa b helped lead to the killing of osama bin laden. many top republicans accuse feinstein of unleashing a political attack. >> it is clear this appears to be an attempt to rewrite history by the democrats to bash the bush administration. >> one gop senator, john mccain, a former prisoner of war, defended the report saying cor tour does not work. >> i know from personal experience that the abuse of

prisoners produces more bad than good intelligence. >> reporter: the president was careful not to call the harsh interrogation tactics crimes and so far the justice department has given no indication it plans to prosecute any former cia officials for what happened, and asked whether the president still stands by his claim the harsh tactics amounted to torture, white house press secretary josh earnest said yes. >> this is debate continues about those tactics. jim acosta thanks so much. on the heels of the report federal officials are warning law enforcement agencies nationwide to be on alert for a terrorist report. pamela brown is live for us in washington, good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you, alisyn. the fbi and dhs sent out a joint bulletin warning agencies across the country terrorists may want to exploit the findings in this torture memo as propaganda, use it as a recruiting tool. the bull fin warns it could spark online reaction and eventually influence homegrown

violent extremists. the big concern talking to law enforcement sources even though the memo is unlike to lead to violence in the near term, it could eventually enflame extremists as it circulates on social media and picks up steam. james comey met with reporters in a roundtable session and echoed the concern in the fbi is whether or not this memo will generate any activity overseas or homegrown violent extremists. important to point out so far, according to sources, there's no new intelligence indicating any threats associated with the torture memo. alisyn and chris? >> pamela, thanks for the update. chris? much of the debate here is falling along political lines. so let's test both sides, shall we? cnn political commentator and republican strategist, ana navarro and democratic strategist and writer for thenewyorker.com, richard socarides. you democrats, why are you doing

this? this is not new. people have known about this. you stopped the program yourselves or give yourselves credit for it. why come out with this report and compromise national security? >> well, i think because the american people deserve the truth, and this is the first comprehensive, complete report on what actually happened, and the only way we can move beyond this as a country is to know the full truth. truth is an american value and i think it's very important that we know what happens so that we can move beyond this and make sure it never happens again. >> why didn't you interview anyone from the cia involved in this practice? >> well, you know, i think that's a little bit of a smoke screen. before i was in government, i was a trial lawyer and we know that documentary proof, written proof, contemporaneous memos are often better proof than talking to the person after the fact, and the committee review of the 6 million pages of memos and contemporaneous accounts of what happened, so they have better than interviews with people trying to cover up what happened

now. they had documents, reports of what actually happened while it was happening, and they also had access to testimony. it's not like no one ever had the opportunity to make the case on the other side, so i think that's a little bit of a smoke screen. >> they're making it. i think you're blowing smoke at my smoke screen, socarides. ana, you say it shouldn't have been released, why? >> ba us it increases threats to americans around the world, we're in the midst of one of the most volatile times anyone can remember seeing americans being taken hostage and beheaded. so much volatility around the world. take a look. because it pokes our allies, who helped us in some of this, where some of the venues were, it puts them in a difficult position and you know, i agree with everything that richard has said, not the evidentiary documentary part because they are spooks, they don't put things in writing, this is not

like a legal case and i think it is very important if you're going to put something of this magnitude out that we do try to get at least the perception of both sides and this looks very one-sided which is very out of character for dianne feinstein and the intel committee. i've always been a fan of how bipartisan she has always led this committee, how well she's worked with saxby chambliss, the republican who is the ranking member. i agree with, yes, americans are all about the truth, yes, we cannot do this again, should not do this again. this is not a good thing for our history, but is this the right time for this soul-searching, for this hand-wringing? if it puts one american life at greatest risk, the answer for me and i think for many other americans is no. >> that's a a tough test. you have to ask whether you'd ever stop anything if that's the test, one more american life at risk. let me ask you this, ana, here's the problem on the other side. the cia almost categorically denies everything in this

report, okay? now that's a problem, because you may wind up having the people who need to be trusted coming out and either lying, spinning or somehow misrepresenting in a way that may hurt their reputation perhaps in a way that's going to be tough to fix. >> it is. it's a very difficult position right now, because you've got a report that says one thing. you've got people that we're supposed to trust and the ones that briefed the nation, briefed the congress, briefed the senate saying another thing. you've got people who were there saying things that are completely different. so it's very hard to discern what the truth is. >> and you hear that side -- >> there are things that happen, chris, that are not the way things are supposed to be done by americans. >> right. >> but you know, this doesn't -- i think what else it tells you is that we don't take everything that's in this report as, you

know, god's truth. >> right, but here's the problem. if any of it's true, this idea of what torture is and that this is okay, we had this lawyer on, alisyn was interviewing him, here is your definition of torture, someone under color of authority, government, whatever, and it's serious physical injury, serious mental injury. he's like i don't think it rises to the level of it. it rings so intellectually dishonest, how are these found to be legal and okay when they obviously meet any definition of what is torture? >> that's the whole point, that the central facts of this report are not in disout. there may be small arguments on the motion but this was a very dark period in american history. it was a dark period first and foremost because we were attacked and i think we need to have sympathy and compassion for the people who had to make these decisions. >> should you leave that to the politicians? now you're coming forward saying we didn't know anything, this was all deceptive and secret. why would the cia conduct

vicious torture and things like that, kind of like at their own whimsy? >> the report is clear they were confused. it was a difficult moment in american history. we'd just been attacked and they didn't know quite what to do. >> you don't think someone authorized it? >> yes, the people in charge authorized it, sure, that's clear, that's clear in the report. i want to address the other point ana raises. i think it is dangerous to say that the issuance of the report puts americans at risk. americans are at risk on account of torture because of the actual incidents of tortures. our enemies and allies knew what we were doing. the only people left in the dark before this report came out were the american public. >> they say they want to be in the dark. they're killing me on twitter saying why are you talking about this? we want to be safe in our beds. expression barbara starr, we sleep safely in our beds because there are men who are ready to do violence.

>> we want to be safe consistent with our american values and americans don't torture. it is against american law, it is against international law, against everything we stand for. ask john mccain. >> they said they had legal approval. our last point, ana, what do we do now? if you accept that it wasn't legal, it shouldn't have been done, it was wrong, that's going to take away, it's going to visciate as they say in law color of authority and now you're exposed to prosecution. is that the next step? should we follow through? >> i think prosecuting anybody over this would be a mistake, number one. we don't know as we pointed out before what is true and what is not. there is a great difference of opinion. >> that's why you have a trial. >> yes, but you know, for what purpose? i think that there is already, i think there's already a sense of purpose in the american people and the american government, and elected officials, that this should not have happened, and

that this should not ever happen again. when john mccain makes that argument to me, it has enormous power. it was a very powerful speech he gave yesterday, because he's lived it, and this is something that john mccain does not talk about easily, his experiences in vietnam. i know him very well. so when he digs that far in personally, it really is moving and powerful. now, that it happened, we know it happened. >> right. >> but it shouldn't have happened? we know it shouldn't have happened and should never again happen. do we need to release it and litigate it on tv, do we need to litigate in a court of law? i don't see the purpose. i think it would be much more costly than what we'd get out of it. >> we're always trying to be betert and air what's going on, that's the american way. the question is what impact will it have? we'll see. ana in a va are row, richard socarides, thanks for both sides. a look at your headlines 12 minutes past the hour. new this morning, we have just learned this -- the ebola fighters are "time's" person of

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unilateral changes to the rules without the union's participation. the owner of this home in escondido, california, says this morning started out with a bang. imagine the fright you'd have. his wife thought it was an earthquake but a bmw suv crashing through the roof of their home. police arrived shortly after. no word on the condition of the suv driver. local media reports say the driver is missing. >> mysterious. all right we'll stay on that. thanks so much. protesters in the streets demanding justice for michael brown and eric garner. the president wants to see more progress. what does that mean? former obama aide reggie love, is going to join us with insight into the president.

you say there's not a lot of improvement, i don't think we're living in the '50s and remember what it was like to be black or hispanic and interacting with the police then. they don't remember what it was like 20 years ago. there has been improvement. the question is what more do we need to do? >> that was president obama speaking to univision about race relations in america in wake of the eric garner and michael brown grand jury decisions. protesters have been taking to the streets for days. protesters called the demonstrations necessary but what else will he do? reggie love a former special assistant and personal aide to president obama and author of "power forward by presidential education." reggie, great to see but >> alisyn, good morning, thanks for having me.

>> thanks for being here. you were president obama's body man. what does that mean? >> it's a term that really comes about during the campaign in which you're the person who is responsible for trying to make sure the trains run on time, make sure that the candidate or the president is eating three meals a day, and making sure that he doesn't have to worry about all those small things that are important to making the day run. >> that's interesting. given that pretty intimate role that you had with the president, give us a window into his thinking currently in the aftermath of the eric garner and michael brown decisions. where do you think the president is on race relations? >> you know, that's a great question. i think this country, it's a great country, and if you saw his last interview on b.e.t., i think he made some really great points about how far the country has gone in the last 50 years.

i can't speak exactly for the president, but i know, you know, the university that i went to, duke, they just celebrated their 50th anniversary, having their first african-american class, and you have all sorts of really impressive things that are happening showing race reelss are improving but to his larger message there's still a lot more work to be done, and a lot more improvements to be added. >> we do have a clip of the president on b.e.t., as you were just mentioning, this is him talking about his commitment to resolving some of these issues. >> i'm going to stay on this. not only am i going to stay on it, by virtue of this staying in the news because of some of these protests, hopefully the entire society says let's finally try to make some real progress on this. >> now, when he says let's make some real progress on this, in that answer he was referring to

police officers being more accountable and being better trained. do you think that that's the solution to what we're seeing in all of the demonstrations? is it just about helping to better train law enforcement? >> i think the training is a huge portion of it. people -- our law enforcement do a great job protecting the american people in so many different scenarios all across the country, but i do think that from the incidents that you've seen, there needs to be a better, there needs to be a better practice of being able to contain people without using lethal force. i think part of the other problem is that, you know, i think when people think that the only way for them to feel safe as a law enforcement officer is by using heavy amounts of force with unarmed citizens i think it's problematic and part of

that has to do with, you know, experiences, what they see on the news, what they see on television. you know, it's hard as an african-american male myself, who is 6'5", 230 pounds, you know, it's tough for someone to look at me and not to feel like they have a certain amount of fear or in some cases maybe even hate, if they were approaching someone my size and stature and they have no background, no knowledge of who i am, when they're first that first interaction. i think a lot of it is what is in the hearts and minds of our law enforcement and of the american people, being able to give people the benefit of the doubt, and not needing to use lethal amounts of force when having those initial interactions. >> reggie, did you just say

you're 6'5"? >> 6'4 3/4". >> wow! no wonder you're the president's body man. that's impressive. the president in that interview sort of revealed something also about himself, and he said that he remembers being a teenager and he remembers being 17 and 18 and his experiences. did he ever talk to you about that? >> yes. we would kid a little bit because i would say to him, i said, look, i grew up in the south, and i've had a lot of interactions with people, and they say, you know, you're a black man. i said look, you grew up in hawaii and your mom's white. he was like yeah, but when people see me, they see a black man, they don't see anything else, which i think is, which is a very fair point, and you know, his experiences are probably pretty similar to what other

people who were african-american who were growing up in that same time period. >> rentalie love, it's great to get your insight. the book is "power forward by presidential education" best of luck with it. >> alisyn thank you for having me. have a great day. >> you, too. go to facebook.com/newday and tell us your thoughts. over to chris. alisyn it has mutated. there is no vaccine and we're not sure you can completely avoid it. much scarier than if i said we have news about the flu. things are different this year. we bring in dr. sanjay gupta because he has new information for you. straight ahead. [ female announcer ] hands were made for talking. feet...tiptoeing.

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kate went with a fetching hemline and tasteful pleats in a gown we have seen before and that's okay. their day started with a somber visit to the 9/11 memorial and they were very thoughtful there and left a note. max foster has been with them every step of the way. >> i love your fashion tips. >> fashionista. >> she's worn the dress but, it's no big shock. >> i said it's okay. >> they looked great, looked like they were having fun. >> yes, they had a great whirlwind trip and back with prince georges, i'm sure they're relieved after all this. it was the moment the fashion watchers had been holding out for, the duchess in an evening gown. all in honor of the university, where she met prince william, st. andrews in scotland. tickets to the fund-raiser sold out, as people clamored to rub shoulders with royalty. tables costing up to $100,000.

celebrities, including anna wintour, mary kate olson and seth meyers on hand but all eyes were on kate's dress. ♪ prince william marking the occasion with high praise for his alma mater. >> it feels like a place where no truth is ever questioned and where there is much more discovering to be done. >> reporter: a glamorous end to a day that started somberly. on their first visit to new york, the duke and duchess of cambridge were keen to pay their respects to those who perished in 9/11. they left flowers at a memorial reflecting pool, a note handwritten by the duchess expressed sorrow for those who died and admiration for those who rebuild this area. the pair then visited a youth development program, where they were treated to life musical dance and storytelling performances. the couple, so moved by 22-year-old steven prescott's story, that prince william gave him his personal phone number to

help him bring his show to the stage. then to a reception to celebrate brits who have made it in new york, including "star trek's" sir patrick stewart. spot of sight-seeing and a timely break in the rain, which meant the duke could take in the views from the empire state building. his pregnant wife had taken time out to rest. the couple take home a flurry of memories from their whistle stop u.s. tour, all caught on camera, and now part of royal history. and that is kate's last official visit abroad before the baby, due in april. >> it's not easy trudging around new york on a cold, rainy day five months pregnant. >> we're used to rain in the uk but that sort of biting wind, it's hard. >> it was unpleasant. they're always so pleasant and make it look effortless. >> that is their job, isn't it, to look effortless and to carry out these engagements very easily.

there's all this fuss around them and i think she's particularly good ignoring all of that, but up on the empire state building was apparently very cold indeed. >> it was their first trip away from little george? >> they have traveled on private visits but this was the longest. >> wow, she'll be glad to get home to him, both of them will be. >> we don't know the sex of the baby? >> no. president obama asked that question. well they discussed it and william said he's going to keep it a surprise. he also said that when george was born, he was very late in asking what the sex of the baby was. he was caught up in the excitement. >> is that protocol? are they not allowed to know? is that a royal rule? >> no, they could find out i'm sure. but i think if you're under so much pressure and everyone you meet what is the sex of your baby, the safest is not to know yourself. >> what do they say you don't want to know, there are few mysteries in life, surprises in life. >> i think there's all too many

surprises in life. >> you knew with the babies? >> yes, not for a long time before but a little bit before. >> did you know? >>. >> we didn't on the first but the other two. >> i still don't know, just paying the bills. >> wow. max, great to see you with all the royal reports. did you get your flu shot? i did, and they tell us we have to get it even though this year may not work on all strains of the flu. there has been a mutation, but sanjay gupta has the information for you you'll want. and angelina jolie talking about things she usually does not. maybe because she's excited about her new directing project "unbroken" or maybe because she had a special connection with chris cuomo. wait until you hear the oscar winner and what she shared about chris about her health battle, her parenting. >> you're a little bit jealous?

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website predicts flu infections like the way meteorologists are able to forecast the weather. joining us to discuss in person our chief medical correspondent, it's always a bright day when you're here with us in the studio. >> and no flu. >> we can still stay healthy. the new technology, i love it when it helps us live our lives better. >> it sort of makes a lot of sense. we used to predict the flu based on mathematical models looking at what happened last year and trying to project. what this does differently is it looks at real time data as well. look at websites like googleflutracker, you get real time data on what's happening in various places. you can create a heat map around the country. i think we have a picture what that heat map might look like. as you point out, it's looking at the same sort of technology that predicts weather. how is the flu moving through a certain population, what is it likely to do real time. >> the south. >> let's take new york city for example. when is it going to be the

worst. >> december and january look at that. >> the week of january 10th it's expected based on projections to be the worst part of the flu season in new york city. it's based on this modeling and real time data put together, but then hospitals may say look, we're going to need extra beds. we'll need extra surge capacities. parents may keep their kids away from play dates or keep them home from school. you may be more likely to get a flu shot because you see something like that as well. >> can we talk about that? we heard it's mutated now and there may be folks that still haven't gotten their flu shot. they're thinking it mutated, will getting a flu shot still help you? >> it will. the best way to think about this, it's not a binary thing. once it's mutated it's a completely different strain. certain proteins on the virus change a bit and it makes the flu shot the existing flu shot less effective. it's never 100% effective but still your best bet at avoiding flu oversaul. it's still going to provide you a fair amount of protection. you get some protection against

old strains and even protection against the new strain. not as much as you wished because of the mutation but still there. >> at least maybe some of the symptoms won't be quite as raging as they have in past years. >> yes. >> here's to this point. you told us and we listen when you speak, sanjay, that there is no such things as flu season. you showed us on that map, that it's going to peak here in new york the 10th of january. i'm going to stay home that week. why does it seem to be so much worse in the winter? >> people always say don't go outside when it's cold, you'll catch a flu. that's not true. that's an old wives' tale. you don't catch cold or a flu being outside in the cold. there are more cases of flu in the colder weather. >> why is that? >> it's interesting because there's different theories on this, not as straightforward as you might think. in part people stay indoors more, so if one person has the flu a lot of people are likely to catch it. another thing is in the winter season, because you're outside less, you have less vitamin d,

let melatonin. your immune system is a bit suppressed as well and the final thing, i find this interesting but the final thing is in low humidity environments shall the flu virus can last longer. so in the summer, you have a high humidity environment, flu viruses don't live as long, in low humidity environments in the winter they're longer. the numbers spike but maybe not for the reasons people believe >> can we ask you to react to the "time" person of the year, the ebola fighters. this is really quite extraordinary. >> it is and the thing about it, mick, i saw some of these guys, kent brantly in the upper right corner, other doctors. i their work in west africa and the united states. as a doc, when i take care of patients fundamentally i am not risking my life to take care of patients and it always struck me when i was spending time with these ebola fighters, doctors, nurses, health care personnel, in order to help somebody else, they are literally taking their own lives into their hands and doing it every single day.

we talk about this sometimes in the abstract, when a patient comes to the united states, but that work is happening right now, literal i had they put on that garb, they walk into those tents, they hope and pray they've on it everything right so they don't get infected and sick and possibly die. they're not sure as we've seen over and over again. whenever the ebola outbreaks start it's always the health care teams that get sick first. >> "time" recognizes the fact it is a good dose of prayer for a lot of them, a lot of faith organizations on the front lines, people do it out of faith, out of hope, there is altruistic means behind it but for love of country. lot of people saying we have to take care of these people because no one else is. >> absolutely right. there's no infrastructure for health care in many of these countries and they say on a pragmatic sense unless we fix the problem there it's not going to be solved elsewhere around the world and just for purely humanitarian reasons. kent brantly there wasn't a big ebola outbreak. he just went to do the work. he survived. >>ic no the wait to hear more of

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♪ so tell me what could be the ultimate story of survival, that would be the life of louie st amparini, the book is called "unbroken" and certainly not easy and you'll see why when you watch it. it required angelina jolie to look into herself in a way she had not done before for a project so what did she find? the answer will make for a great movie and a motto for her own life. >> take it. you can make it. >> reporter: taking on the task of telling the story of a truly legendary figure, olympian, war hero and model of perseverance, louie zamprini, became an intensely personal task for the director of "unbroken" angelina jolie, so much so that what you

see in the movie may reveal as much about the me ga star as it does about her subject. when i watched the movie, i don't know you but i know where your head was on this guy in terms of what you value and how you emphasized if you take it, you can make it. and i wonder if you've processed why for you was that what was important to tell? >> it's like being in therapy. i don't know. you know, it's funny, you do something. i watch it myself now and i'm almost trying to get the message myself from it, why did i? i don't know if i understand it all. i know i was drawn to him, as you said, some people are more drawn to the elements of faith and we made sure people focused on forgiveness and that was important to have, and i was influenced by all of that, but very much maybe the center being what is that strength of will? what is that when you face an obstacle, you are either

overwhelmed by what it will take and you feel the weight of your shoulders or you can smile inside and say all right, bring it on. >> so you do a movie like this, obviously you want people to enjoy what he was but you want him to learn from it and the idea of surviving what's difficult. you've done it in your own life. when you take on the big scene, that's the fear of everybody. do you hope that that comes out of that, that whatever someone's struggle is, if they're dealing with what you dealt with, with your health, that they see, look at this guy, so positive. >> yes. it's not an accident that i was preparing, i had all my boards up, and i was preparing to direct the film when i made the choice to have my surgery. not an accident. i was in prep, fighting to get the green light and i got the green light during it, but through the process was when i was researching him and studying him and putting the boards up and sitting in my office and that's what i did during that time frame. >> proeptory for teparatory for

and also yourself. >> i was laying out the story boards in the film and that was my meditation and my focus so it's not an accident that i was around him and was able to face a challenge. >> reporter: and jolie had plenty to live for. remember, she's not just a star, she's a wife and mother, dedicated to her kids and to service. however, jolie says she doesn't force her kids to be like mom. she just leads by example, making strong humanitarian efforts with the u.n. >> i try not to be that parent that imposes that on my children. >> reporter: how do you do it? i'm an imposer. i'm not -- >> funny, i could kind of guess that. you try to lead by example. you try to make -- i want them to know that it's not about, that they should be thoughtful of others because it's the right thing to do. i want them to find the joy in it, so it shouldn't be something that's sending your kid to community service and they hate doing it but they're doing it

because you want them to really understand, you want it to be a lifelong commitment in something they discover makes their own life better. >> chris, i think you got her to open up in a way. she's usually, i find her guarded often in interviews, particularly tv interviews but she shared with you about her life and her kids and her struggle. i think you got her to open up. >> it's not that i don't agree with you but i think it's this film, this film and the story. i think has accessed her, you smartly got all the right questions but it accessed her in a way and probably a good example for all of us, right, of how we can bury ourselves in our work. >> i'm torn. i want to agree with you, but mick is right. >> what was your impression of her? >> she's smart and she cares about what she does. i've met her before, and you don't do the kinds of things she does in life artificially, and she's also had a lot of life. she's not an old person, but she's been through -- >> a lot of living.

>> -- a lot of stuff and i think she brings that, it's an important characteristic for a director, maybe more so for an actor, but i will say this. this is a huge task she has taken on. i'm not saying it like it's the story of the bible but this guy is so impressive in so many different ways and so many messages that you really have to make hard choices. this is a big risk, because it's going to be hard to stand up to the book and the book was hard to stand up to his life. >> the book has been on the best seller list for months and months and months, years. >> with sort of hollywood glitter you want to make it visceral and raw and real. >> she did a solid job. there's a performance i'd be remiss not to mention. she cast a japanese pop star, what's his name, again? tell me his name? niavi, and he does an amazing performance in this film and never acted before and he plays the really bad guy but she was generous with her time and definitely takes this seriously so see what you make of her efforts.

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