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people around the country and around the world, making their voices heard, without resorting to violence. so, and let's hope it stays that way. again, congratulations. that's it for us tonight. i'm don lemon. appreciate you watching. see you back here soon. ac 360 starred right now. ac 360 starts now! >> hand up! don't shoot! i can't breathe! i can't breathe! i can't breathe! >> thank you for joining us. we begin with breaking news. and a report detailing brutal interrogation tactics used by the united states after 9/11. torture. the details of the report continue to reverberate throughout the country and world. tonight the word from the justice department is nothing is going to be done about it. cnn's pamela brown joins me with the latest.
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what are you learning from the justice department? un officials have been calling for prosecution. the justice department doesn't plant to initiate any investigations. law enforcement say if another country files an arrest warrant, the justice department would not enforce it. in a statement, the department is saying, as we have in the past in the event of action, by a foreign court or prosecuting authority against the u.s., government officials, the u.s. through the departments of justice and state would raise appropriate jurisdictional and legal defenses to prevent unwarranted prosecution of u.s. officials. making it pretty clear, anderson they don't plan to pursue anything. >> what's their justification for not prosecuting? >> torture by u.s. officials is illegal. justice sources are saying that the shared sentiment what would happen is morally wrong.
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if it happened to day. there could be charges. because of changes president obama made. because of legal memos issued by the justice department during the bush administration authorizing u.s. officials to use techniques the attorney general has hand tied legally according to tan official i spoke with. remember the justice department opened up inquir y of it. i think we forget they have looked at this. >> pam brown, thank you. >> thank you. >> former vice president dick cheney, isn't mincing word, expressing his opinion. just a short time ago on fox news, cheney said the report is full of crap. end quote. he said it is a deeply flawed terrible piece of work while admitting he had not read it he had seen parts. summaries of the executive summary. he said he has no regrets about tactics used after 9/11 and would do it again. the report conclude that the cia misled bush, doing interrogation. as you may remember, time and
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again over the years, former president bush and cheney and head of the cia denied the united states was torturing people. and said that enhanced interrogation techniques as they called them were effective. the report says is not true. take a look. i told our people, get information without torture. and was assured by our justice department that we were not torturing. >> we don't torture people. >> whatever we have done is legal. >> the use of the techniques against the terrorists made us safer. >> we don't torture people. >> we acted on information they have given us to prevent attacks. >> we don't torture. >> waterboarding. >> i don't talk about techniques. we don't torture people. >> do you think any tactics that were used against khalid mohamed went too far? >> i don't. >> we don't torture people. >> joining, two on the phone, author of "jawbreaker" attack on bin laden, and glen carl, author
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of "the interrogator." glen, you worked at a black site. i know you can't go into details any mr. that that. >> you don't define yourself by practices of the enemy. the enemy is appalling, i dedicated my life to stopping these people. they're terrible. no debate about that. the issue is who are we? what do we need to be? torture doesn't work. it is illegal according to all laws. multiple. cite them and fill up your entire program with them. it is clear what happens. you don't talk to the wolf about what is going wrong in the chicken coop. it's obvious. it is unnecessary. doesn't work.
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>> gary berntsen, do you think torture works? >> does force and coercion work? i believe it does work and i've seen foreign intelligence services around the world coerce people and break down spy networks we've created. i've seen it. should we be using it? that's a separate issue. but i do believe it work does. it doesn't work on everybody or in every case. >> this report goes through multiple cases that the cia has said or examples where it provided, they discount basically every single one of those cases saying, the information was gotten prior to the suspect being tortured and in many cases, torture ended up getting misleading information. >> this is sort of, let me say this, it's a narrow window and these are a number of cases that the agency had a program for a
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short period of time and i'm not disputing and let me just say this. i don't know how good the report is. did they interview the people involved in this? i do not believe they did. did they interview the chiefs station? i don't believe they did. this is a partisan report. when i read this, every page, paragraph and sentence is an assault on the agency. this is the biggest hit job on the agency since phillip a.g. wrote inside the company. did they make mistakes? yes. but as i read the document, i'm horrified and the united states, the cia make some mistakes? yes, i agree made mistakes but the reality is that interrogation in the course of history, it does work, a. b, the separate question, should we be doing it?
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in my particular belief is we the united states should only employ enhanced techniques if we believe we have an imminent possibility for catastrophic attack on the united states, we're talking about a bioweapon, chemical weapons, nuclear weapon. in these cases possibly. >> that's the example, glen, that's often used. an imminent attack. it seems to indicate there's no examples of this thwarting an imminent attack and dozens, i think 26 people, were actually innocent. mistaken identities. these techniques were used on those people who were clearly deemed later on to be not guilty of anything, so i want to be able to respond to gary. >> i think gary and i agree on one thing. the saying, where does a fish rot? from the head first. we're the executive actor in the executive branch following the guidance by the political hack
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by the administration. there were 20 cases i knew about and colleagues knew about in the agency at the time that were touted as triumphs on the war in terror which resulted from enhanced interrogation. all 20 were known and i've been shown by the documents, hundreds of millions of words worth of reality reporting and debate by colleagues of gary and mine at the time to be basically made and not having either been true plots or dependent on the information. >> glen -- when gary says, looking, this is a political hit piece and partisan, they didn't interview directors of the cia. you're saying what they did do is comb through thousands, tens of thousands of pages, hundreds of thousands of pages of realtime actionable reports from cia officers in the field. >> absolutely. when i was working, all of these issues, all of these cases were
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playing out in a realtime and they were heatedly debated. it was strongly felt by many in the agency the information obtained under duress from enhanced interrogation from torture was spurious, couldn't be relied on and in fact, all those were formerly recalled. that's a big deal in the intelligence community. you want to expunge it from the record as unreliable. that's what the record is the case. >> gary, it's interesting. all along, there was testimony from cia officials, public testimonies saying, look. the folks doing these techniques whether you call them torture or enhanced interrogation techniques, they're carefully vetted and they're experts. this is done the most humane way possible and a controlled environment, the way it sounds in reading this senate report, it certainly doesn't sound like that.
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you had psychologists who had no training whatsoever in this, had no language skills, no real intelligence backgrounds. being paid tens of millions of dollars to design programs -- >> $81 million. >> $81 million for contractors fulfilling that didn't have experience. >> let me step in for a second to say this. first off, there's the insinuation that it was inappropriate because you're seeing contractors. >> i'm saying inexperienced people. >> just hold on. the other thing, they should have had a psychologist there. actually, the people they had were sere instructors. if i had to choose a professor from the university or sere, i'd choose a sere.
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>> they had programs to reverse the sere thing and cia officers saying these guys don't know what they're doing. >> anderson, there were people that did interrogations that spent a career in the u.s. military. 20 years as interrogators and i don't think that's included in the report and they had native language skills. that's not included in the report. i know that for a fact. >> glen, when you were working at this black side and you say what you can say, you raised objections to what you were seeing. what were you told? >> well, when i was brought into this, it was quite typical. i'm a career intelligence officer. in more than a week, had to jep son and mitchell, the two sharl tons never done intelligence work, didn't know anything about interrogation and fobbed off the
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cia. somehow believed sere torture tactics were a waste. completely the opposite of what they were intended to do. i was told you'll do whatever it takes to get him to talk. and i had no training nor did most others. i figured it out. it was a good job. and that's how it played out. the agency hued to the lines by these frauds and we were misled to use what were north korean torture tactics as supposely interrogation tactics. that was insane and others felt the same. >> thank you. i'm glad we got both perspectives on this. reminder, watch dvr, set 360 to whenever you like. different and lax regulations that states that differ state to state that put guns into the hands of security guards sometimes with deadly consequences. part two on armed security
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so this season give something that means something. part two on armed security guards. people hired to protect in some cases end up killing. private arm security guards. shopping malls, security events just like the police and most of them do a very important job and risk their lives at times. but unlike the police, their training and government oversight is spotty at best depending where they work. the senate investigative
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reporting, we look what happens when poor oversight does lead to tragedy. here's senior correspondent. >> reporter: this is former security guard taking a smoking break outside of the private security company where he works in suburban phoenix. 5.5 years ago, he was armed and licensed to carry by arizona's department of public safety. that turned out to be a dangerous breakdown in the system. an investigation by cnn and the center for investigative reporting found licensing requirements so varied and in some states, so lax, it can be
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harder to become a manicurist than an armed security guard. >> i woke up and i had tubes running down my throat. >> reporter: daniel chouraingo paralyzed after being shot at and nearly killed over stolen food. it was joshua kosashanko who should never have been allowed to carry a gun. hey, drew griffin with cnn. we've been trying to get in touch with you. we're doing a story on security guards. how do you become an armed security guard? how is that possible? >> i'd rather not comment, sir. >> reporter: do you think you should be placed in a position where i think you're training security guards now? >> no comment. >> reporter: it was shortly before 2:00 in the morning at this convenience store in tucson. tarango was 13 years old and kosashanko the security guard. >> we were going to get food, leave, not a big deal. >> reporter: he waited in his car after his friends went to steal food and the next moments,
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the security guard gave chase, a scuffle broke out. his friends ran. threw the car in reverse. kosatschenko opened fire. >> i seen the glass shatter and felt like a slight push, somebody had pushed me over. >> reporter: tarango admits he should have never been there. it turns out kosashanko should not have been working there either. he had a criminal record as a juvenile and several run-ins with the juvenile system. 13, he pled guilty to two counts of felony assault and deemed a felon at a juvenile delinquent and made him a prohibited possessor. he lost his right to bear arms, at least until he turned 30. even with all that information, we discovered the arizona department of public safety
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never checked his record. captain steve entenman. >> this guy's juvenile records apparently weren't checked. where was the breakdown? >> arizona does not require juvenile records to be reported on this particular instance, it was in the adjudicated record as opposed to conviction. it did not show a record whatsoever. >> the check could have gone beyond that. you could have looked beyond the juvenile records. >> if he disclosed he had that in his background. >> as long as he lies on his application, he basically hides his entire juvenile record? >> in this particular case, yes. >> reporter: the state didn't need the record. since he's a prohibited possessor banned from carrying a gun, that information would have shown up in a federal law enforcement database, but arizona didn't check it.
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the state of arizona may be a poster child for what's wrong with the nation's lack of regulation for the armed security guard industry. kosatschenko's armed guard training was 16 hours, four of which took place at a gun range. arizona is one of 27 states that doesn't check if someone applying to become an armed guard is prohibited from possessing a gun. the company that hired joshua kosatschenko refused as did he himself. >> can you leave the building? >> reporter: but in a court deposition, he explained he was fully justified in shooting the fleeing shoplifters because his job was to stop them. >> so did you think it was smart to chase after them into the parking lot? >> i wouldn't necessarily say it was smart or not smart. i would say that it's a danger associated with the job. >> the job is to arrest snack
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food shoppers. >> shoplifters for anything period. >> reporter: steve amitay is a lobbyist for the national association of security companies. we met up with him at the industry's annual convention earlier this year. he continues to push for fbi background checks for anyone who wants to be an armed guard. in nine states, even an fbi background check is not required. >> the public lay book to security officers in situations, we want to make sure this guy is properly vetted and not a problem himself. >> reporter: that's not going to be easy. the last four years, there's been no fewer than a dozen bills introduced in state legislatures and congress trying to control and license/regulate who can be a security guard. of those, most have failed. >> get down on the ground. >> reporter: even after the
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shooting of daniel tarango. arizona did little to change licensing requirements. there is this additional box which relies on applicants to disclose or check if they are a prohibited possessor. legally barred from owning a gun. but arizona still doesn't check that federal database when someone applies to be an armed guard. >> if they're not truthful with us, we can't control it. >> reporter: as for joshua, he was arrested for attempted murder but ultimately, only indicted and convicted for violating the law that banned him for possessing a gun. he served probation. he works according to his linked in page, a corporate trainer and hire manager for the same security he shot and nearly killed daniel tarango. >> no comment. >> reporter: no comment at all? >> drew griffin joins me now. what's next in terms of making
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some sort of changes in some of these states? >> i think the problem, anderson, is the industry itself. they want to keep the pay low. these jobs are very low pay jobs and result, you have little or no skilled people in these jobs. until, because regulation failed, until you have businesses who hire security companies to guard them, in this case, a convenience store, demanding more, then i don't think there will be a change. >> there's certainly good security guards out there. hundreds of thousands of them in this country. cnn has them and i have great
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faith in the folks i have seen. >> and the very good ones, the good companies, they will pay for training, pay for skills, they will update their guards. they will make sure that every one of their guards does not have a criminal background but it's the matter -- >> pretty incredible. >> the lack of checking by both the company and by arizona itself. a quick follow-up on a story we got from last night, about the security guard who shot and killed a man outside of a nightclub. the security company he worked for is sued in another case resulting in death and the second case, the company is being sued for not protecting the business, anderson. the guard was not directly involved in the killing itself. we'll keep you updated on that. >> thank you very much. appreciate the reporting. if you've got a comment on this story or idea for investigative unit, e-mail cnn.com/investigations. go jorge with the way he's handled interrogation. >> that is not true. listen, i just -- here's the fact of the matter. >> you could have stopped them. , 40,000 sets of eyes, or a million sleepless nights. whether it's building the world's most advanced satellite, the space station, or the next leap in unmanned systems. at boeing, one thing never changes.
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hours after the senator release, talked to obama. they talked about the report. but when the conversation switched to immigration that's when things got heated. 17 governors filed a lawsuit trying to block president obama's executive order on immigration and contends he doesn't have the authority to unilaterally. president obama says he does.
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jorge ramos -- he asked why he didn't exercise the option sooner. take a listen. >> as you say, you have the legal authority to stop deportations. why did you for 2 million people? for six years you did that, many families were deporting. >> jorge, you called me deporter in chief. >> you could have stopped. >> no, no, no. that is not true. listen. here's the fact of the matter. >> you could have stopped them. >> jorge, here's the fact of the matter. as president of the united states, i'm always responsible for problems that aren't solved right away. i regret millions of people who didn't get health insurance before i passed health insurance and before i implemented. i regret the fact there's kids who should have been going to
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college to my presidency but because we didn't get to them fast enough, they gave up on college. the question is, are we doing the right thing and have we consistently tried to move this country in a better direction? >> jorge ramos joining me now. he disagrees with your deportation and in a way he and democrats get credit in the latino community in doing the right thing but there's this tension among latinos who both appreciate what he's done but don't think he's moved fast enough. >> i agree completely. let me say that on the latino community, 80% are supportive of president obama, completely what he did with executive action but on the other hand, there's a lot of resentment and disagreement with president barack obama. he didn't deliver on electoral promise with both chambers of congress but deported more than 2 million immigrants and destroyed thousands of families
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and if he's saying because of politics, the political process and that he couldn't do anything about it, of course it's debatable if he has the authority or not to go ahead with this executive decision but if he says he has the authority, why he didn't just do it before? he waited six years to do this. clearly, again, latinos are very grateful but this is a point of resentment. no question about it. >> it's interesting because you've done interviews with him in the past and in the past, he always said he's not the emperor. he couldn't just make this executive order and rule on this. but clearly, that he changed his mind on that. he's never really given you an answer on what changed. why, whether he was wrong in the past when he said he couldn't do it or whether he's wrong now.
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>> so i guess that there are a couple of ways of trying to explain this. he said he was not a king or emperor and he didn't have the legal authority to stop deportations and now we see the president's opinion has evolved or completely changed his mind. he didn't agree with my own interpretation. but at the end, decided to go ahead and benefit more than 4 million or 5 million undocumented immigrants, either evolved or changed his mind and acted. that's why latinos are grateful for that. from my perspective, he did change his mind. maybe because of the pressure from journalists, the latino community, from members of congress like gutierrez. i don't know why, but at the end, the pressure from the community, the latino community was felt and he acted and that's important. >> i want to play another portion of the interview with the president.
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we'll talk about it. let's listen. >> and those like you sometimes, jorge, simple quick answers to these problems. no, yes you do. that's how you present it. when you present it in that way, it does a disservice because it makes the assumption that the political process is one that can easily be moved around depending on the will of one person and that's not how things work. >> is there something to that, the way immigration reform and doesn't acknowledge how difficult the process it is. the president seems to say it doesn't. >> it is very difficult. however, one person, the president of the united states, he is changing the lives of almost 5 million people. in other words, it's important what he thinks and important what he's doing. and i do agree it is unfortune
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we are concentrating on president barack obama when we should concentrate on republicans. speakers john boehner and republicans. it's john boehner who blocked immigration reform in the house. it is really unfortunate we're not concentrating on what republicans didn't want to do instead of the disagreements that there are and there are a couple of them between president barack obama and the latino community. it is a complicated issue but the president acted alone at the end and that's what many latinos expected from the president. >> jorge ramos, fascinating interview. thank you very much. just ahead tonight, a teenage girl found on fire alive outside of her burning car. what did she whisper and how will the last word help solve her murder? the cloud. this is "titanfall," the first multi-player game built and run on microsoft azure. empowering gamers around the world to interact in ways they never thought possible. this cloud turns data into excitement.
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we're for net neutrality protection. now, here's some news you may find even more surprising. we're comcast. the only isp legally bound by full net neutrality rules. >> welcome back tonight, in crime & punishment, a murder that is, well, so horrible it is hard to fathom. what happened to 19-year-old jessica chambers is horrific. killing in a small town with the shaking community. rescue workers arrived on the scene and she was alive barely. what she whispered to them may lead to the killer.
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that's what her family is now praying for. here's martin savidge. >> reporter: their teenage daughter burned alive. >> reporter: a family's anguish over an unspeakable crime. >> they have ripped everything i have. >> reporter: they report a burning car on a road and within minutes, the volunteer firefighter arrives. >> we are expecting it to just be a there mall car fire. >> reporter: instead, a horribly burned teen stumbles from the darkness. in this small town, they know her. >> i realized who the victim was. it was shocking. >> reporter: 19-year-old jessica chambers, described by friend as a well-liked, outgoing, high school cheerleader, doused with a flammable liquid and set on fire. she would die the next day due to burns covering nearly every inch of her body but it gets
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even worse. according to what the family said doctors told them. >> they said they squirted fluid up her throat and up her nose because burning on the insides so bad. >> reporter: incredibly, despite her suffering, whispered to firefighters. many believe it was the name of her attacker. >> i can't disclose the information at this time. >> reporter: only tell me what the teen said is a lead. in this small town, the big question is who could have done it? >> certainly, we're looking at murder charges, capital murder charges. >> reporter: the authorities have been retracing where chambers went that night. this surveillance video shows her stopping at a local gas station where police say she bought a drink and chatted with a few people. everyone she spoke with has been clear. the teen's car is being analyzed as is her phone burned inside. investigators believe a text or last call could be key. especially if it links to her last whispered words. >> i want to see justice made,
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justice. >> reporter: in this part of mississippi, they believe justice can be here or the hereafter. >> god's punishment. god's punishment. it's going to be far more worse than anything that we could do. awe thought poor family. martin joins me now. i understand they're just getting access to this young woman's phone, correct? >> reporter: right and the phone they believe could be absolutely key to solving this mystery and finding who this killer is. it required a couple of things. first, you need the legal warrants to gain access to someone's information like that and two, they needed, physically, to have the password, the pass code. just been told by the authorities they achieved all of that today, able to get into the phone and first thing tomorrow, they're following up on the leads it generates. >> somebody has the information out there. hopefully the police finds them. martin savidge. >> a lot more happening tonight. susan hendricks. has the news. >> the fate of a $1.1 trillion spending bill is uncertain.
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shore in ocean city, streets underwater. in new york on the far eastern side of the state. similar conditions in upstate new york, as much as ten inches could hit the area before the end of the week. >> we're stuck at home until this dies down. i'm not even sure if i'll be able to get kids to school. >> reporter: and no better in boston, where the streets are lined with ice. people and cars sliding. an suv ramming into a parked car. >> i couldn't stop the car. it was so icy. >> reporter: all this bad weather having a ripple effect on air travel more than a thousand flights cancelled and what happened on the east coast could pale in comparison to the west coast. bay area communities gear up for flooding, a winter storm expected to hit the region tonight. it could be the worst storm we've had here in five years. public schools already closed in advance. worrisome, yes. tree trimmers are out in force to prevent limbs from falling on power lines.
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the moisture is also a welcome relief for a state in the middle of a record drought. >> definitely need the rain, so i'm glad it's coming. of course, we don't want our house to flood. >> reporter: dan simon, cnn, san francisco. >> rough weather off the coast of hawaii nearly cost the 67-year-old fisherman his life. he was lost for sea for 12 days when it damaged his sailboat. the beginning of an ordeal sounding from a hollywood movie. the coast guard had given up on finding him. sarah with more on the rescue. >> reporter: rescuers thought he died at sea but nearly after two weeks in rough seas, fisherman ron ingraham is alive and well enough to crack jokes. >> i was out of water by hydrated on fish. i'm a fisherman. i caught fish and that's what -- wasn't as good as the sushi bar but that's how i hydrated. >> reporter: a true fisherman's tale that could have ended in disaster. he made this call for help on thanksgiving day as his 25 foot sailboat was taking on water.
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this is mayday, mayday. i'm in the middle of the channel. dangerous. sinking. >> he said currents sucked his boat away. >> i tried all night. weather up, i couldn't make it. i was going backwards all night long. >> reporter: after four days, the coast guard called off the search for the boat. they simply couldn't find it. that's when ingraham's son zachary got a call from the ghost guard telling him his dad was missing. >> i was crushed, like, anybody would normally feel after they feel their dad is probably gone. >> reporter: miraculously after 12 days at sea, a navy ship found the 67-year-old and his boat after the coast guard heard short mayday call from ingraham and his son received yet another call from the coast guard. >> they said, we found your dad. i had this image of somebody floating with a life vest around
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him that wasn't alive. i says, okay, you know, was he with his fishing boat when you found him? they says, no, we found him and his boat and he's alive and he's well. so yeah, it was awesome. >> reporter: found dehydrated and desperate for food, ingraham refused to leave without his boat. he not only used his boat to make a living but it's also his home, so the coast guard towed it back to shore. ingraham gets his battered boat and zakary gets his dad. >> best christmas present ever. >> reporter: i had a nice long skype chat with his son zachary. they hadn't spoke for years and he had been looking for his father, and he hoped it would not be the final time to meet him when they got the call from the coast guard. now he's happy to hear his father alive. this is a lesson for everybody
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time now for the ridiculist. to night adding the nutty airline executive. a woman named erin cho and daughter of the airlines chairman was recently a passenger on a korean air flight scheduled from new york to south korea. the plane pushed back from the gate and minutes from takeoff at jfk, when miss cho was affronted in a way that's unimaginable. truly appalling if you ask me. now, brace yourselves. i hope you can handle this. she was served macadamia nuts in a bag instead of on a plate. i'm serious. i'm not making this up. macadamia nuts on a bag instead of a plate. i can keep repeating but it will not sound any less insane. her reaction to this, miss cho forced the plane to return to the gate where she had the head of the cabin crew kicked off. let's pause a second and break this down. before you start yelling at me on twitter, i don't know
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anything about vip air travel. let me remind you this week, i was the third biggest celebrity on a flight from washington to new york after prince william and that monkey who looks like larry king. i love that monkey. anyway, sadly the monkey actually wasn't on the flight or larry king. i'd like to see him. i miss him. anyway, i digress. i know a thing or two about proper cabin etiquette. so the nuts are in a bag not on a plate. so what? big deal? you got to reach down and adjust your nuts so you are more comfortable with how they're presented. we have all been there, honey, i know, miss cho. there's a range of reactions she could have had, none that would have resulted in the employees kicked off the plane. option one, something i like to call, the "murder she wrote reaction." >> miss, i asked for white wine. >> did you notice how calm and polite angela lansbury was? and she was on a plane with a murderer. investigating a murder and yet, she was nice. the next option, elaine from seinfeld reaction.
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slightly more tense but within the boundaries of acceptable behavior. >> excuse me, i didn't get a meal. >> are you sure? >> yes, i'm sure. i would know if a tray of food had been served to me. >> would you? >> yes. >> and yeah, that was jim jay bullock as a flight attendant. again, i digress. i get it. sometimes something is so offensive and unthinkable like macadamia nuts, in a bag instead of on a plate, a third option, a way to blow off some steam. >> i have had it with these [ bleep ] snakes on this [ bleep ] plane! >> that's right, the samuel l. jackson reaction. even that would have been better than bringing the plane back to the gate. as for miss cho, her actions delayed the flight by about 20 minutes. that doesn't sound much for doing that and after the story sparked outrage in south korea and the world, she resigned some of her duties, but keeping her title at korean air. whatever her future, she'll always have a first class seat on the ridiculist.
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