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jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> oh my god, that was the scariest thing i've ever done. >> it's a story like that that makes you realize you're getting old. at what point do you realize, whoa, i'm impressed. set dvr to outfront anytime. anderson starts now. john burma sitting in for anderson. weather hitting northern california that dumped a foot of rain in some places. brought snow and hurricane forces to others and sent the bay into a good chunk of what in better conditions is nearly the city by the bay. national weather service broadcast a warning every 15 minutes telling drivers in flood zones, turn around. don't drown. up until tomorrow. in short, it is a dangerous
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mess. dan simon is there for us. >> reporter: it's the worst weather to hit northern california in years. pounding rain causing some streets to flood and rivers to rise. this grocery store parking lot turned into a lake with winds at or near hurricane strength, knocked down stores of trees including and freed the 11-year-old who had injuries. and the area bridges make driving hazardous and the same conditions knocking out power to more than 225,000 people and businesses including this restaurant in downtown san francisco that cannot open. >> no, you cannot. cannot see it's a safety issue, so certain corners are blocked off and somebody follows us, so we can't do that. >> reporter: at the san
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francisco international airport, at least 240 flights cancelled. this writer was able to make his daily commute to the city. >> it was pretty bumpy. we got -- i swear, we had it, we were airborne going up and down and everybody was in great hysterics and laughing, but it was no normal ferry ride today. >> reporter: to the northeast, it began snowing in the sierra nevada near lake tahoe where two to three feet of snow is anticipated. a wind gust clocking in at 175 miles per hour and the same hitting washington state a day earlier. the rising tide eroding beaches and destroying at least two houses. back here in california, the miserable conditions come with one positive side effect, the state in the middle of a record three year drought can use all the moisture it can get. >> what do you make of all this rain? >> we need it, but i wish it would come more evenly spread out instead of all in one night.
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just got to roll with the punches. it will be fine. >> reporter: months and months worst in one night. >> dan simon joining us from san francisco. what's it like in store for tonight? >> reporter: hey, john. it's still coming down pretty hard and expected to be this way throughout the night with conditions slowly improving tomorrow as the storm pushes south. you're going to start seeing some moisture in the los angeles area, so they're in for a drenching. the key for this area is clearing the roadways and getting the power restored. utility crews are going to be working around the clock to try to make that happen. the bottom line is it could be a couple of days before things return back to normal, john. >> what a mess. dan simon, thank you so much. now something almost never happens. the cia director holding a news conference taking questions from reporters. he took questions whether he answered them, we leave it to you to decide. the cia is not as you might
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imagine a full disclosure kind of place. not even on cia practices against terror detainees can change that. however, that report put out by committee democrats has shaken the agency and moved director john brennan to speak out. today from headquarters in la lanki lankily, not far from the inscription it reads not far from the truth and the truth shall lay you free. and edited and sometimes contradictory version of the truth as he sees it. the details now from barbara starr. >> reporter: in a 45 minute long press conference, cia director john brennan never used the word torture to describe interrogation practices. >> as i said, in some instances, i considered them a quarant and leave to those how to see those. >> reporter: he defended the
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agency reminding everyone of the difficult challenges after 9/11. >> we pledge to come together as one and do what we can to prevent osama bin laden and his killing machine from ever carrying out another attack. >> reporter: it led to so-called enhanced interrogation techni e techniques against cia detainees. water boarding, being put in stress positions, deprived of sleep, chained to walls. brennan admitted mistakes were made by some, but never said the so-called enhanced interrogation program was a mistake overall. >> i cannot say with certainty whether or not individuals acted with complete honesty. when i look at what went on at the time, there are clearly the questions about why certain techniques we used. >> reporter: and in the hunt for osama bin laden, did enhanced interrogation actually result in
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intelligent critical to finding him? >> i am not going to attribute that to the use of the e.i.t.s. just going to state as a matter of fact the information they provided was used. >> reporter: as brennan spoke at cia headquarters, senate committee chair diane feinstein said keeps our nation strong, torture does not. brennan said there's no proof enhanced interrogation was the reason detainees offered up useful intelligence. >> the cause and effect relationship between use of eits and useful information subsequently provided by the detainee is, in my view, unnoble. >> reporter: feinstein on twitter, saying unnoble if we could have gotten other ways. studies show it is knowable. cia had info before torture. >> barbara starr joins us now with more.
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barbara, this really was extraordinary. you just don't see, generally speaking, cia directors taking questions in a news conference like this. so the question is, why did he do it? who's the audience here because generally speaking, they don't have to reach out for public opinion. >> i think that brennan was extraordinarily frustrated. when you talk to cia people, john, over the last couple of days, they are just beside themselves. their feeling is that everyone has listened to the senate report, to senator feinstein and nobody has really listened to them, that they had been very precise, that they have been very detailed. brennan has said, no cause and effect unknowable whether these techniques specifically led to detainees to offer up useful intelligence but useful intelligence, they did offer up. so, you know, everybody has got their own position. this, i think, was brennan's chance on behalf of the white house. make no mistake, to go out there and speak to the world and especially to speak to
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intelligence services around the world that are watching this. >> and to me, it felt like he was speaking to his very own intelligence service, as much as any audience, it was the audience inside the cia he wanted to reach out to and almost bolster them around. >> well, i think that's right and make no mistake behind the scenes, he has spoken to his agency staff, his agency team privately about all of this. we know that. they have really been reaching out trying to build moral. there's a lot of young people at the agency, young intelligence professionals who obviously had no part in this several years ago who they worry are not happy about this. and it will be hard to recruit if people see this kind of activity and don't feel that it's the right way to go. so there's some long-term strategic issues here. the potential for real damage to the intelligence community in the future going ahead, but how extraordinary? here's the real nugget for everybody. we asked the cia, is this press
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conference unprecedented? has any director ever done this before? they went back through the archives and they could not find a record of anybody doing this before but said they couldn't be sured. >> it's classified, the answer to that question. barbara starr, appreciate it. reaction now from two former cia officers. glen carle and gary burgison. jaw breaker, the attack on bin laden and glen karl is the author of the interrogator and education. so dwlglen, he had a nuanced anr when it came to the effectiveness of the enhanced interrogation techniques. he said it is unknowable whether or not they led to developing actionable intelligence. he said it's unknowable. he said some of the people who did who were put under those
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techniques ultimately did provide intelligence but said you simply can't know because if it was because of the techniques used. do you agree? >> sean was very careful and quite nuanced. and what he said was the information from detainees was useful and they were, these detainees, also subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques. the meaning of his words is that the information, which he confirms elsewhere in his comments, the report is devastatingly clear about is that the information that was useful that was obtained was obtained by acceptable measures and the information that was obtained through enhanced interrogation techniques was not reliable, as john said. it is a true statement that the detainees provided useful information, period. these detainees, same detainees, were sublted to enhanced interrogation. he makes the distinction between
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the two. he said so in other words and made the distinction clear that the information obtained that was useful didn't come from enhanced interrogation. >> gary, you think otherwise. you think enhanced interrogation is effective, correct? >> oh, i think it's -- as i've stated before, there's two things here. there's coercion and the moral issue of whether you should be doing it or not. i've seen countries enemies of ours using coercion effectively to destroy networks, uncovering people used against them and i've seen allies using coercion that support us in operations. you know, whether the u.s. program was managed properly or not. that's a separate issue. sadly, coercion does work if used properly. imagine this now. someone use coercion and you think maybe someone is throwing you information bad, with the internet, someone can check the answers immediately. it's frightening.
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you know, the key here is don't get captured if you're a terrorist operative or intelligence operative because the combination of coercion and access to the internet makes your life pretty horrible. >> you're using the word coercion. you're not using the word torture. he didn't use the word torture. >> let me just say this. and look, allies of ours have used coercion in the sense they're not torturing people, but they're threatening them. it's not nice what they've done. and the reality and i've seen torture used against sources of ours in the hostile governments and worked frighteningly well against us. >> you say torture works. you say enhanced interrogation works. >> oh yeah. >> if that's the case and director brennan knows what you know, why not just say it? >> the president in this administration, look.
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authoritarian governments used coercive methods to stay in power for many years. it's a horrible, monstrous thing. who thinks staalen didn't use torture and terror to stay in power? find somebody who doesn't think he did that. >> that has nothing to do with obtaining useful intelligence. the 20 cases cited by the bush administration and the cia for years is the triumphs of enhanced interrogation that broke up plots and so on have all been shown as was known at the time in house and heatedly argued about to be spurious and not true. i have the highest respect for john, i worked with him closely in testimony or statement, i guess we call it just now and before, that it didn't work and beside being immoral and illegal, it's ineffective. >> if that's the case, the report shows the 6,000 pages also suggest that people inside
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the cia were providing misinformation. >> i don't think the people are being honest about it. people don't want to see enhanced interrogation techniques used under any circumstances and claim it doesn't work, it doesn't work. sadly, i believe that force can work, not against everybody but works in certain times and i don't think people are being honest about that. the issue of whether it's done, it's a moral issue and in that situation, we don't want to use, i don't want to see the united states using terror or torture but i do believe we need to address the fact that, what are we going to do one day when somebody comes in here with a bioweapon or face nuclear terrorism attack and got a prisoner, what are we going to do? use the army field manual or read him his miranda rights? it's not going to be enough. >> gary berntsen, i appreciate the discussion. watch 360 whenever you would
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crime and punishment now, only in this case, we can sadly report on the crime part so far. the killing that has simply devastated a small town in mississippi. the victim? a young local woman last seen on saturday in an area gas station, an hour and a half later, she was found badly burned dying. and ever since, each day has brought new and shocking developments. let's get the latest tonight from martin savidge. >> reporter: along a quiet road in rural mississippi, investigators way deep into the brush and use dogs looking for anything out of the ordinary. it's the second time they've done this along herren road, the road where 19-year-old jessica chambers was attacked and burned alive. police tape churned up a large
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pine tree scorch high into its branches mark the place where the teen and her car were found. it's a murder that is both horrified and mystified this small town. >> i think that one of the biggest fears is dying in a fire. >> reporter: on the conference, authorities gave little to say they'll find who's responsible. >> we're currently following up leads in the case. there have been no arrests made at this point. nor do i anticipate any in the immediate future at this point. >> reporter: the former high school cheerleader was found barely alive saturday night after their family say someone may have struck her in the head, doused her and her car with flammable liquid and burned over 90% of her body. she whispered to first responders before she died, something she was trying to name her killer but investigators won't say.
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sent to alcohol tobacco and firearms to determine what kind of accelerant may have been used. meanwhile in this town of 500 where everyone knows everyone, chambers' death is personal. >> we are going to stay here until we find out who did it. >> reporter: but at the local gas station where the 19-year-old was seen filling up and buying cigarettes 90 minutes before she was set on fire, residents and employees wouldn't talk to me on camera admitting they're scared, fearing the killer is likely local, someone they know, and someone who knows them. >> martin savidge joins us now from batesville in mississippi. martin, what a tragedy. what a mystery. i imagine piecing together the last few hours of jessica's life will be crucial here. any progress there? >> reporter: yeah, it is absolutely crucial and that's really where the officers have been focused in their investigation. we learned something today talking to the manager of the
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gas station. he interacted with jessica on that night. he talked to her many times before, it's a local hangout. he said there was something different about her that night. call it a sixth sense. but noted something else. normally when she fills up, she buys three or four bucks worth of gas. not much more than that. that night, she brought five gallons worth of gas. she apparently was going to go somewhere. the question is where and why? >> interesting. in a town this small, i imagine everyone knows everyone, must have an idea or some notion of what happened. how do they separate the rumors from the facts here? >> reporter: well, you know, this is really one of the weird things that's going on in this community and this is one of the things that was actually brought up at the press conference by the authorities. it is a small town. typical of small towns, people talk. people say things. nobody is saying anything here. and that goes to the level of fear. i have to underscore that. people here, especially women,
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are frightened and no one is going to get any rest until they determine who did this and have them in custody. john? >> understandable. martin savidge for us in mississippi, thanks so much. as always, you can find a whole lot more on this and many other stories at cnn.com. just ahead for us, another bill cosby accuser has come forward. what fame model beverly johnson alleges he did to her in the mid 1980s. you don't need to think about the energy that makes our lives possible. because we do. we're exxonmobil and powering the world responsibly is our job. because boiling an egg... isn't as simple as just boiling an egg. life takes energy. energy lives here.
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breaking news on a familiar issue. three hours to pass a bill to avoid government shutdown. house leaders having trouble getting the votes they need. the white house said president obama who supports the bill is working the phones tonight personally calling democrats to secure votes. we've been here before and although there's new twists to what's going on now. dana bash is here. it looked like there was a deal here. there was bipartisan negotiators come up with a plan, thought they had the votes. now we're sitting here at 8:30
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eastern time. what's going on? >> reporter: the parties falling off a bit by bit. what's happening at this late hour, in the room behind me, there is a meeting among house republican leaders trying to figure out if this large deal, this 1.2 trillion dollar bill through next year can be salvaged. the way they'll decide that, this is the irony of all ironies, try to figure out whether democrats can get their coalition together. the white house chief of staff in a pretty dramatic way came up to capitol hill just about an hour ago, met with house democrats because they are the ones giving the white house and republican leaders the biggest problem because they are concerned about some of the extraneous things that are in this bill that they think are unfair to taxpayers and unfair when it comes to helping the wealthy. >> the signs here, dana, are bizarre. tea party republicans, liberal
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democrats, elizabeth warren on one side and nancy pelosi is not exactly helping the white house. >> reporter: you remember that seinfeld bizarreo world? that's what this feels like. you have the white house and nancy pelosi, worked arm in arm for years and years. there's a divide over whether this large bill is the way to go. the biggest issue that forms that divide and that joins liberal democrats and tea party conservatives is the issue of wall street and whether or not there should be a rollback of one reform in here, which they say is bad for consumers, good for banks and that's why it shouldn't be in here. that's the biggest thing hurting us right now. the white house said don't let perfect be the end of the good. let's get our priorities out because the democrat's last chance to do it before the
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republicans take control. they have things in here they believe is right and that was the white house chief of staff's message but i was told by many democrats, it might not have been enough. >> will there be a shutdown if they don't reach a deal? >> reporter: they hope a back-up plan, a short-term spendig bill to keep the government running and probably will do it tonight in the house, send it over to the senate. we should probably breathe a sigh of relief that nobody will let the government shutdown. >> small blessing, thank you so much, dana bash. susan hendricks has a 360 bulletin. >> >> reporter: dozens of congressional staff members staged a wacout in support of the families of michael brown and eric garner. they raised hands in the gesture that has become a symbol of the protest in police violence. at the staten island corner where he collapsed, his daughter staged a die-in.
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it's the eighth day of protest since the grand jury decided to not indict the officer who used a choke odd on garner. california highway arrested when s.w.a.t. teams arrested a father sought in an amber alert. four of his children were in the car. they were not harmed but moments ago, they learned authorities found the body of their mother in the trunk of another car. and another bill cosby accuser came forward. model said she was drugged in brown stone in the '80s. she makes the comment. cnn reached oult to bill cosby's attorney and no word back yet. a time capsule from 1795 removed from the massachusetts state house. it has been believed to be buried by paul revere and samuel adams. the concern john, the condition, of course of the contents. >> i'm sure it's doing well. boston strong. susan hendricks, thank you so much. still ahead, 360.
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tonight a 360 follow we are happy to bring you. oh candace racked with guilt for the past decade believing she was responsible for her boyfriend's death in 2004. he was killed when her car crashed into a tree. miss anderson ended up pleading guilty to criminal negligent homicide making her a convicted felon. this year though, gm recalled miss anderson's car and millions more for an ignition switch defect so far tied to 38 deaths with the number expected to rise. it came out that gm knew about the defect years earlier when anderson was pleading guilty but didn't tell her. now, after our first report, a judge agreed to hear her appeal and now her conviction has been
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overturned and her record cleared. poppy harlow has the latest. >> reporter: do you feel freel now? >> i do. i feel like a big weight lifted off me. >> reporter: after a decade after agony, candace anderson is finally free. >> people in this town called you a murderer for a decade. >> mm-hmm. it's a hard thing to get past. >> reporter: free from living a nightmare. >> i feel like i was robbed from a part of my life, 10 years is a decade. it's a long time. i feel robbed of my youth, where it's supposed to be fun and making memories, you know, having a good friend to share it with. i feel like i was robbed of that. >> reporter: it started with a fatal car crash. candice was behind the wheel with her brand new saturn ion on
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the east texas road. her boyfriend was in the passenger seat. it was her first love. >> i was through the windshield and his face was facedown in my lap. >> reporter: the father of two young girls, michael was instantly killed. candice still bears the stars of that day. her liver lacerated and nearly all ribs broken. >> reporter: do you have moments where you think, why do i survive? >> oh, yeah. i felt that way the whole 10 years. >> reporter: the police report said neither candice nor michael was wearing a seat belt. the air bags did not deploy. after the crash, xanax was found in candice's system. she was not prescribed the drug but took one pill the night before. >> do i think i was intoxicated?
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no, i wasn't intoxicated. >> reporter: she was indicted on intoxication manslaughter. she pleaded guilty to criminal negligent homicide and sentenced to five years prohibition and fine. she lived each day as a felon. >> you could have gone to jail for 20 years. >> i think about that all the time. i really do. >> reporter: but there is now proof that for a decade, general motors knew about a deadly defect in candice's car and millions more, but kept it a secret. faulty ignition switches causing the engine to stop suddenly while driving disabling the air bags and as candice was prosecuted, gm did nothing to help her. in fact, in 2007, the same year candice pleaded guilty, gm did their own internal investigation of her crash calling it unusual and noted the air bags should have deployed. >> i'm fighting for my justice.
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i want vindication. i want them to say, i want people to know it was the car and it wasn't me. >> reporter: in this courthouse, the same one where she pleaded guilty to criminal negligent homicide, candice anderson, finally got her justice. the judge play placing the blame squarely on general motors. miss anderson pled guilty to a crime for which she was not at all, gm had evidence that would have demonstrated her innocence and identified the true culprit and cause of the accident, general motors. candice's conviction overturned, she is now acquitted of any fault in the crash that killed michael. >> what would michael say? >> i pictured him rooting us in the courtroom and just, you know, it's a good feeling to think that he's had a lot to do with this. >> reporter: gm would not comment on the judge's opinion but for the first time in this
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letter to candice's attorney, general motors admits it may be to blame. gm determined that the crash involving miss anderson is one in which the recall condition may have caused or contributed to the frontal air bag non-deployment in the accident. >> is it enough? >> no, i don't think it's enough. you know, i think they should have been there that day to support me, to put in some words before the judge also. i really do. >> reporter: have you directly, candice, heard from general motors? >> never. at this point, i don't think i ever will. >> reporter: why didn't gm reach out to candice anderson when they investigated her crash years ago? we asked gm ceo mary barrera. >> there were opportunities in this specific situation, a series of mistakes were made over a long period of time and
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that's why we've taken extraordinary steps. >> reporter: do you think, looking back, someone at gm should have, when they saw this happen and an internal investigation, reached out to candice anderson? >> again, poppy as you look across this, making the right changes we need to make with the learnings from the lucas report and making sure we're the industry leaders in safety moving forward and we've taken steps to do the right thing. >> reporter: gm is fixing its defective cars and have apologized to victims and their families. >> i am deeply sorry. >> reporter: when you come back to the crash site vindicated knowing this wasn't your fault, what do you think? >> the guilt is definitely lifted. but what happened in the tragedy, of course, it's still there. the pain is still real. >> reporter: and nothing will bring michael back. for the past ten years, michael's mother, rhonda, couldn't bring herself to lay a headstone for her son.
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now she finally has. >> it was like the story of david and goliath where we took a little slingshot and threw a rock at a giant and we won. that's how i felt. that it was all worth it. we weren't scared and we stood up and we got what we wanted. vindication. >> reporter: their fight may be over but the department of justice investigation into general motors continues. >> there's someone in general motors that should be held responsible. >> are you saying that you think individuals at general motors should stand trial? >> yeah. i do. they didn't have a problem sitting by while i was charged.
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convicted. >> what a story. poppy harlow joins us right now. poppy, this is unbelievable. given all of this, is candice going to sue general motors? >> reporter: she's not. and that is one of the hardest decisions of her life, john. she can't. candice and rhonda, michael's mother, accepted money, a payment from gm's victim compensation fund but have to give up their right to ever sue general motors for this crash in the future. i asked candice about that and how hard that was for you and she said it was gut-wrenching but i have to move on. it's been a decade. she has a 4 and 6-year-old girl and wants to move on. use the money to get through nursing school and for her kids. she will never be able to sue general motors for this but she has her entire life in front of her. >> i am sure speaking to you helped in this process of moving on. poppy harlow, thank you so much. great work.
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the incredible story of and the discovery of and the fight over the largest and most complete t-rex skeleton ever found. the dinosaur that would be named sue is now on display at a chicago museum. it was found in 1990 preserved for 67 million years in what is now south dakota and then two years later, the fbi and the national guard seized the skeleton, setting off a battle over sue that has documented in its film, dinosaur 13. in a moment, speak to the paleontologists and in a clip from the film. >> crawl up on the cliff face and i see three articulated vertebrae and from that point on, i'm absolutely certain this is going to be the best thing we've ever found and going to be a complete t-rex. he called up and said, neil, i need you to bring plastered two
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by fours. i got up there with all these materials and took me over to this big cliff and he said, take a look. i looked at it and looked at him and said, is that t-rex? he said, yes. and i think it's all here. >> joining me are peter larson, the paleontologist who found the t-rex and ex-wife, kristin donin. they wrote a book about the experience. peter, it's been 20 years since that moment. but it's still got to be emotional to see that. >> it was truly the high point of my life being part of that team that dug up this wonderful dinosaur. it's the biggest, best most complete t-rex that's been found. what could be better than nthat? >> really so much drama in that. you lost control of sue. a lot happened in your life. you ended up in prison on
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unrelated charge and after all of that, sue is gone in the museum now. do you think it's worth it? >> oh, yeah. i do get -- i have visitation rights. the field museum has been awesome in allowing me access for scientific research. and i guess i wouldn't -- there's very little that i would ever -- could have done differently. maybe one thing as i waited to pay the landowner until after the specimen was out of the ground but that's hindsight. >> i mean, a lot does happen here. there's a lot of twists and turns and say, no real regrets. do you really feel that way? >> i probably would have done everything just the same. >> fascinating. kristin, you've been with him through this whole thing. it sounds like the understatement of the century. how has this changed your life? >> it changes anyone to have that sort of amazing horrifying
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thing happen. and then beyond that, changes someone to be around pete. the attitude is real and watching him go through this, being there throughout the whole story is inspiring to everyone who gets to know him. >> is it a story about discovery or about loss? >> it's a story about change. and it's a story about understanding the complexities of life and what draws people to things and what causes them to fight for things and what's really important. >> what do you want people to take away from this? is it the idea of change? >> i think it's the idea of doing what you love, not giving up on your dreams. knowing no matter what's going on, you have hope. >> but it comes at a cost. there's a cost here. that's what's remarkable about this story. >> there is a cost. when you pick what you're doing, you have to really want to do it and know, what are the risks i'm taking, what's it worth to me and what am i willing to put out
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there and to the world? it only counts if it's hard. >> and this was hard. peter, you're still out there searching for dinosaurs. >> yep. >> do you think it's possible, every time you look around a bend, every time you dust off an area, do you think that maybe there's the next sue? >> well, since sue, we've collected nine more t-rex specimens. none as complete as sue, but there's a chance. it's a really slim chance because sue is such an awesome dinosaur and, you know, by far the most complete. but there's a chance we might find another sue. >> you said something interesting before. you said it was the high point of your life, the most important moment of your life. again, such a wonderful moment, but is it odd, all these years later to be able to say the best moment was 20 years ago? what do you look forward to? >> well, the moment continues. every time i get to go see her, every time i'm looking at these other specimens, all of that
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comes back and when people see the movie, they'll see the wonderful people that surrounded us in hill city and tried to help to do everything they could. and the kids and all they gave to try to keep that dinosaur in hill city. all of that is a part of my life and it's a part of my life that i cherish. you know, it really made the human being i am today and it's not ending. it's still continuing. >> it is a remarkable, remarkable story and a remarkable film. peter larson, kristin donna, thank you so much. >> thank you for having us. >> thank you so much. >> stay tuned to the top of the hour for cnn films "dinosaur 13." that's 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. also tonight, the house is about to vote on a bill to keep the government operating. we're going to have a live update next. get ready for some german engineered holiday excitement.
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deadline is midnight on a bill to avoid a government shutdown. we learned the house vote is minutes away. as to leading up to the crucial minutes, it's been a long strange train. dana, they will vote. >> reporter: they will vote three hours now until the government runs out of money and house republicans just came out of the meeting we talked about earlier this hour. it determined to actually put this large 1.1 trillion dollar bill to keep the government running on the floor even though it is really unclear whether or not they have the votes to do it. they'll roll the dice. they have a bit of bravado, these republicans, thinking it can happen. but it is going to be a true cliff hanger. not the government shutting down but this particular bill cliff hanger. >> a nail biter. we'll see the result in a little
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bit with the house of representatives. dana bash, appreciate it. that does it for us this evening. thank you so much for watching cnn. a live shot at the capitol. meanwhile, cnn films dinosaur 13 sa starts right now.