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all of you. i'm erin burnett. and we begin "outfront" with breaking news. police in portland, oregon, conducting a massive hunt for a gunman after four people were shot just outside of a high school in north portland. the victims, two males and two females were shot just outside of rosemary anderson high school. at least three of them and at this point we only know of three that were able to get inside to try to get help. one student describes seeing a victim as he made his way inside. >> i saw him stumbling in the school, holding his stomach and he said my brother's name and he fell on the ground. >> police say one victim was treated at the scene and the other three suffered serious wounds. they were described as breathing when transported to a nearby hospital. >> police and the fbi are searching for one gunman and possibly two accomplices as this story is still developing. pamela brown is "outfront" and what do we know about the

manhunt? >> reporter: it is still active and underway. authorities on the ground in portland, oregon, local authorities and federal authorities, the fbi, atf are assisting in this investigation and looking for the gun meb. it is believed that the gunmen is a member of a gang, possibly a gang-related shooting. not only are they looking for the person who pulled the trigger and shot these four people according to authorities but they are looking for anyone else who may have been with this person, perhaps other gang members who could have been with this person. so as we speak, authorities are canvassing the area looking for anyone who may have been a part of this shooting earlier this afternoon around 3:15 p.m. eastern time. but it is telling that the lockdown at the school there, at the high school in portland, has been lifted. if authorities thought that the members of the public there were in harm's way because this gunman was on the loose, they would handle it differently.

that is a good sign. we foe the four victims here, one a 19-year-old woman suffered from a grazing wound. also a 16-year-old girl in critical condition. a 17-year-old boy and a 20-year-old man is in serious condition tonight recovering at the hospital. erin. >> thank you very much, pamela. and in critical condition we know, and we are wishing for them as they are fighting tonight to -- for their lives. and more breaking news. protesters gathering around the nation. want to show you live pictures of a large crowd marching in cambridge, massachusetts, outside of boston, kicking off a weekend of major protests. it is dark there now but you can see the crowds. the street is completely full. you have hundreds of people, at least even in the shot we can see, marching there right now. police are preparing for thousands, many thousands of demonstrators on the streets of washington, d.c. tomorrow. a massive rally called the nation march against police violence. it is organized by reverend sharpton and called a week of

outrage over police involved threats, over eric garner and michael brown and others in this facing. the families of garner and brown are expected to attend the march along with thousands coming from around the country to join. and "outfront" tonight michael brown's cousin gabriel brown. thank you for joining us tonight. how do you feel about going to washington, d.c. about this? >> i think it is important. because we need to build awareness of what is going on here in the united states, and around the country too, but here, to bring awareness between the police and the anomalies in my neighborhood, whatever you want to call it, we are not seeing eye to eye and meshing with each other and so what i want to see us happen is us build a bond with the police and with the community.

that is what i want to come out of it. >> and you are wearing your shirt -- the i can't breathe shirt. look, lebron james has worn that shirt. this is obviously your family. this is personal to you. but what does it mean to you to wear that shirt? >> it is powerful. it feels real powerful. because it happens a lot. the fact that it happened to my uncle, it happens to a lot of people but it is such in a broad spectrum that everyone sees it now and to have everyone see this that it is powerful. >> that it is your uncle. >> his words. everyone heard his last words. when people pass, you rarely get to hear their last words unless it was a phone call or a car crashes. >> or one person hears it. >> maybe someone. but now the whole world hears his last words and that is strong. that is powerful. so i like to represent it.

i'm going to represent it and so, i can't breathe. >> so today president bill clinton talked about the protests and he said something that touches on what you said about how you feel about all of this gabriel. let me play what the president said. >> the fundamental problem you have anywhere is when people think their lives or the lives of their children don't matter, that they are somehow disposable like a paper napkin after a lunch, it just doesn't matter. and we have to -- if we want our freedom to be in deed and in word in our country, we have to make everybody feel that everybody matters again. >> and i know you talk about how you feel the power of the three words, i can't breathe and wearing the shirt for your uncle but do you understand what the president said? do you have that feeling, that there are people out there who would just look at you if you were walking down the street and not think that your life mattered? >> yeah, definitely. you have situations where you

can see a young african-american kid with a sweatshirt on with his hoodie on walking down the block and people would think he's up to something bad. whereas, you have a caucasian kid with the same sweat suit on and hoodie and you think he's going to play ball. you know. i mean, we don't want to feel like that, but being brought up in america, the history, [ inaudible ], it is kind of implanted in us to view it like that. >> gabriel thank you very much. and good luck tomorrow. >> yes. >> i know it will be -- as long as you bundle up. >> it will be epic. >> you better have a long sleep version of that shirt. >> i might just put this i can't breathe on my chest. i'm not sure. >> exactly. >> extreme. >> good luck to you. >> thank you for having me. >> and gabriel baez, going down tomorrow to honor his uncle eric garner. and now the criminal

professor of justice david is here with me as well as c.j. anderson. and so now gabriel will be there and eric garner's family and thousands of other americans. and you heard gabriel talk about, a poignant point, if an african-american in a hoodie is walking down the street, he is no good. but a caucasian, he is going to play ball. do you think fair that the police make about those kids and about police brutality. >> i think so. i think people need to shift the thought process. i think the previous point that your first guest made, about increasing the bond, that is what we need to work towards. and i think there is misunderstanding across the divide and a awful lot of commonality and one of the things people are missing is they are seeing this through the lense of race and it is not, but it is police officers not doing

things in the best fashion regardless of race. one thing i've been pointing out regarding the situation in cleveland and the michael brown shooting, the officers got too close too quick and didn't have enough space to make the decisions and so if we understand that the fundamental problem is not the police are targeting minorities to try to hunt them down and kill them, that they don't value minority life, we're going down the wrong path. the proper path is holding officers accountable to perform their jobs appropriately. >> and so lz, what you do you think? do you think they are targeting minorities. >> that goes with what is published over the decades, police officers tend to view black children as older and less innocent than their white counterparts. we know from research, a white officer when they are shown an

image of a black man with a wallet or keys, they are more likely to trigger. and while we know consciously they are not encountering men of color and showing those thoughts, the reason shows us there is triggering, in addition to the bad protocol, but in addition you have the implicit bias that is fuelling the decision making. >> and we have the breaking news of the autopsy and actually of the case in cleveland david referred to a 12-year-old boy, and then some of the defense there of that shooting is in fact that they thought he was older than he is. so we'll talk about that in a couple of moments. but i want to follow up on what is happening at the protests. and this is a ferguson protest held in san francisco just the other day. protesters were yelling obsce obscenities at police and f.u. and a guy said the cop touched him and they throw a barricade at police. this generated quickly.

you have it on both sides. can you see this protester being pretty aggressive and it gets honest and police respond and then you see this barricade thrown at the police. [ yelling ] >> i don't think there are many people -- [ bleep ]. >> [ inaudible ] [ bleep ]. >> then he goes and chases him down. and, elsy, we saw a police officer punched in the face last week, sucker punched. and police are also facing brutality and my question to you is with all of the questioning out there about police brutality, do you think people are at risk of having people lose respect for a very important role, when you see these videos? >> i think part of the problem is that there has always been a lack of respect for that role

for a number of decades because those who held the role abused authority and power. so you are seeing decades and decades of that being compounded. but with that being said, there is no excuse and in no way, no how, am i justifying attacking a police officer. i don't care how upset you are at the situation, what is happening right now on tape and film right now for the audience, no way, no how should be going on nor should it be defended. that is indefensible. but with that being said, it is not happening in a vacuum. this is a result of decades and decades of frustration. >> and david, what about this, we saw a photo of a st. louis police officer, happened today, stationed at city hall and he's wearing a darren wilson name tag. this is a guy in uniform now wearing this in honor of the ferguson officer who shot pikal brown. they now say they will discipline this guy for wearing that. but the police officers are

saying, no, look it is his constitutional right to wear it. but is that appropriate? is that helping at all? >> let me go back to what elsy said, the implicit research. there is better research that has been done. people need to look at the research done by john bilea and joseph [ inaudible ] at the state university and we can demonstrate when it comes to pulling a trigger in a mock scene as compared to a button, they are not quicker at shooting at blacks or blacks that don't have real firearms. but getting back to the question you just raised, my personal opinion is that the constitution says x, y and z but it also provides that people working for certain corporations, government entities, they do not have the same rights when they are at work that they possess when they are off duty and not at work and so it strikes me if the chief says you cannot wear this, then you cannot wear that. period, paragraph, end of story.

>> i appreciate you both of you taking the time and i want to solicit your opinions out there. whether you think that officer today in ferguson wearing the darren wilson tag was appropriate or not within his rights constitutionally. "outfront" next, an update in the case of tamir rice. we just referenced him. he was shot and killed by a police officer in cleveland. we have the breaking autopsy results. and the fact is this, did they think he was older than he was and was that a racial bias? plus the dow plunged today more than 300 points the worse week for stocks in more than three years. and what is next? and torrential flooding from southern california through oregon. one of the worst storms we've seen in years. you won't believe some of these pictures. they are all stunning. we're there live when we come back. and saving so much money on their car insurance by switching to geico... well, just look at this setting. do you have the ring? oh, helzberg diamonds.

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when they drove up and he was killed up was about 1.5 seconds and it happened in the blink of an eye. is this enough to indict the officer? joe johns is "outfront." some of what you are about to watch may be disturbing. >> reporter: the official cause of death, gunshot wound of torso with injuries of major vessel intestines and pelvis. homicide. if translation we now know that tamir rice was killed by one shot to the left side of his abdomen. the question is whether his death at the hands of a cleveland police officer is considered justifiable under ohio law. the tragedy is still being investigated. one factor may be whether the officer knew he was facing a minor, in spite of tamir rice's size. a prosecutor. >> he is a large child. 195 pounds even though he was 12 years old. that constitutes a defense because if police officers encounter who they reasonably believed was an adult due to his size, then the rules tend to

change. particularly if this large individual is waving what appears to be a natural weapon at them. >> reporter: and that is another thing. twice a witness calling into 911 said twice that the weapon is likely a toy. >> i'm sitting by the west boulevard rapid transit station. there is a guy in here with a pistol. i didn't saw his face but he is pointing it at everybody. >> but that information never got relayed to the officers responding to the call. >> everybody is tied up on priorities. someone on the swings pointing a gun at people. >> the officers may not have known the juvenile and a fake gun. >> the toy orange tip has been removed and the family has already filed a lawsuit, they want the officers charged before it goes to the grand jury. >> tamir was a great child and

had a promising future and he was very talented in all sports, soccer, basketball, football. he played drums. >> reporter: another question is why police on the scene did not administer cpr to tamir, though an fbi agent who arrived four minutes later did. it is not clear from the report whether first aid could have saved him after the shot was fired, erin. >> joe johns, thank you very much. and "outfront" nout, walter madison, the attorney for tamir rice's family and harry houck, a retired nypd detective. and we have a lot of new pieces tonight. and the cause of death now we know as of today is a homicide. the deputy chief in cleveland said something very important. he said one of the officers yelled out of the car window three times for rice to show his hands. that rice did not comply and instead they say he reached into his waistband, they thought for the gun. do you think the officer who fired that -- who fired that gun and killed tamir rice should be

charged with the homicide given that they told him to drop the gun three times? >> well, that would require you to believe that in 1.5 seconds he was capable of yelling three times get your hands up, exit his vehicle, draw his weapon, dump two bullets into the stomach of this baby, this child. if you believe that, then i guess you can follow the logic of that statement, much of what i'm hearing today is complete nonsense. now the conversation has gone to the size of the child. none of that matters. the point -- the ultimate point is that these officers violated clear training protocols and they escalated the situation when it is clear they should have chose to de-escalate the situation. there is no two ways about it. the ruling is homicide and that officer should be charged with murder. >> so you mentioned the size of the child. let me ask you about that, harry. tamir was 12 years old but he

was a big 12-year-old. and in the video, you and i agree, he doesn't look as big as he was. 5'7", 195 pounds. that is a big person. >> that is a big guy. >> the medical examiner said his appearance was consistent with someone 12 or older. but you heard a former prosecutor in the piece we heard that said that size could be used to justify the shooting and maybe the police would be more intimidated. what do you say to that? does that justify it? and taking into account what walter said. 1.5 seconds. i don't think they looked to see if it was a baby face or not. >> we have to go back to the tactical position the police officers put themselves in which was totally wrong. the driver of that vehicle left his partner completely exposed to the suspect. so when they pulled up and whether or not this officer yelled three or four times out of the window, drop your gun, drop your gun, i guess we'll find that out later because we don't have any aud yo on the video. but the fact that the officer perceived a threat that that kid

had a weapon, you are not thinking how old is he? how big is he? how small is he? does he have a weapon? now you are in a position there where your partner just put you in a bad position where you have to draw your weapon right away. >> meaning in a bad position. they could have driven up 30 or 40 feet away and had a conversation with him. >> tactic is bad but that is not an indictment offense. >> how is that not ann indictabe offense. >> your tactics are wrong. >> and how about this, since we are willing to consider the totality of the circumstances, how about the fact he resigned before he was fired from his former employer, another police department and that he doesn't have the mental capacity and aptitude to do the job under stressful situations and his father said he was looking for more action is why he took the job in cleveland. the fact they said his handgun performance was dismal. if you are willing to entertain

those things sir, you must entertain the total package in this officer who in 1.5 miraculous seconds is able to do all of the things you talk about and gun this child down. >> and what do you say to that? it is true. he was about to be fired from his last job. >> correct. >> i read all of that. >> emotionally immature and distracted and weepy and his hrg performance was weak. >> and should that be presented to the grand jury for this specific incidence? probably not. >> it probably won't. >> of course they won't. you know that. in cincinnati, the fact that this officer has a bad record doesn't -- doesn't do anything regarding his actions in this certain instance here. >> his actions -- >> but it goes to his mind. >> his actions were purely very good. >> they weren't very good. >> he made the right decision. >> he shot the child in 1.5

seconds. >> the police officer thought his life was in danger. >> what about the point harry just made. maybe i'm paraphrasing you, a mistake was made but it was the driver. he drove up too close and put his partner, the guy with the bad record, so close to the boy that he didn't have time to evaluate it and do you think the driver should be charged? >> they both should be charged. and this is a systemic charge. and justice should resemble the perception of justice. people are upset. the prosecutor, they have 90 days in cleveland to have the use of force investigation n. america, it requires that you have a trial completed in 90 days if you don't waive speedy trial. so for them to have 90 days, he's been trained and counsels to know exactly what he has to say to avoid indictment. the prosecutor controls the entire process. the defense attorneys are not available. the transcripts aren't available. that process is where we break

down because garbage into the grand jury will render garbage out. >> and the other suspect would be afforded the same opportunity. >> no they would not. because he's not a suspect. >> you're counsel, you know that. >> because he's not charged. that is part of the problem. >> they have a grand jury when a police officer is involved in the shooting. >> but there should be a preliminary hearing and a transparent process because no one can tell what is being told or indicated in the grand jury. when they have questions, they ask the prosecutor what it means. >> but you know grand juries are manipulated. and that is a good way for us to go and say listen, the grand jury hasn't been as perfect as we think it can be. >> but you can't get grand jury transcripts to determine if there was something wrong. >> because that is the law. >> and of course the point of the marches is they say the law should be changed and the question, as a lay person, if

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we're comcast. the only isp legally bound by full net neutrality rules. and we're following breaking news out of california tonight. there are growing concerns that the earth could give way, burying homes and mud and trees and debris. already some houses, as you can see -- that was a roof you were looking at. up to the roofs in rocks and mud after a powerful storm pummelled the southern california area and los angeles, causing rivers to overflow and cars and flooding and people are trapped. stephanie is "outfront" in camarillo springs. and the pictures where you are tonight arin vedible.

>> reporter: veryin vedible. when you think about the rocks carrying the massive boulders over here and down to the streets in camarillo springs, it is amazing no one was hurt. two inches of rain in just three hours. pelting southern california. >> he's in. >> in the heart of the city, a swift water rescue on the los angeles river. >> here we go. >> reporter: from the rising and rapidly moving current, first responders pull two people clipging to trees to safety. including this woman. other parts of the los angeles area left ravaged by recent wildfires also getting doused with more water than the banked, scarred land could handle. >> crews work to clean up the debris in the homes and blocking streets, even as the rain was still falling. in camarillo springs, an area charred by wildfire in 2013, the

downpour was far more punishing, sending mud and tons of rocks cascading down on these homes. >> they have a lot of rock to move here. it is like a quarry. it is amazing to look at. >> reporter: the damage so intense, officials deem ten homes uninhabitable. but to reports of injuries. cindy came here to check on her mother who was safe. but she is still heartbroken for these residents. >> these are a lot of elderly people and this is their retirement community and this is where they have put their money in. >> reporter: and when you take a look at how high up the rocks are coming and the fact that we know more rain is expected here in southern california at the beginning of next week, something that california desperately needs because of the drought that we're in, can you definitely see that for people here, while it is a blessing, it is also a lot to deal with on what else may come down off that mountain, erin. >> i think it is incredible to see where you are standing and see that is a roof.

stephanie, thank you so much. in money and power tonight, something relevant to every single one of us. stocks plunge today. the worst week for your pension and retirement and 401(k). the nasdaq and s&p also tanked. here so explain why is peter kanni. that is a 4% drop if a week and stocks are up for the year but the question is will they keep following and is it time to sell or hold on? >> well, bottom line is, the fact that oil is trading so much -- so much lower and so quickly, has lost so much steam in such a short period of time is what is driving the stocks lower and not just the united states, but globally. it is a risk off trade that has driven prices so lowner a short period of time. >> and that would make me think, and i'm going to play devil's advocate, it is a time to buy. there are some companies that make oil and that is bad for

them. but most companies have to spend money on oil so their costs are going to go down. as americans, our costs will go down buying gasoline and we can buy more things from companies and stocks should go up. >> you're absolutely right, erin. net-net this should be a stillulaive impact on the economy. american consumers are going to be saving a trem andous amount of -- tremendous amount of money and will have a lot of money to spend in terms of discretionary spending. we're seeing a positive narrative in terms of the health of the u.s. economy, whether it is unemployment slipping, jobless claims, production, cost of input, in terms of energy, all of those data points suggest the economy is in very good shape. q2, q3 of this year was the broadest in the gross domestic product in the united states in a decade and it looks like q4 should shape up to complement

this number with very strong spending and a very, very rebust economy. >> i hope you are right. this country desperately needs it. the numbers i saw, more than $1,000 per family saves on an annual basis because of the drop in energy prices. thank you to you, peter kenny. and next, a former fbi interrogator and one of the first to question the first high-profile al qaeda prisoner. one of the keys to the entire thing. why this interrogator believes that torture did not work. plus the latest cosby accuser telling a story so similar to others about a meeting with the comedian that went bad after a drink. what was the drug possibly used? we'll find out. ♪

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tonight new questions about whether the united states tortured terrorists after the 9/11 attacks. they claim the interrogation methods did not work and one of the main reasons for the bombshell conclusion is sitting next to me right now. alise due faun interviewed the first al qaeda terrorist suspect and the suspect's name is abu zubay zubayda. he was the first subjected to the detailed techniques in the report. you interrogated abu zubayda

before and after they used eit's, harsh tech nukes, including waterboarding and what did you use that was working. >> let me tell you, erin. the first question i said to him was what is your name. he said ziud. and he had this look on his face that they know all about me. we talked about different stuff. he was injured. he provided immediate information about a terrorist happening in another country. i think the details of it are still classified. >> and he gave that to you. >> that happened in the first hour of the interrogation, in the first hour with zubayda. and then his situation became bad because of the injury, we had to move him to a hospital. however, we needed to get

actionable intelligence about threats. so we continued to interview him, and interrogate him in the hospital, my partner and i with the help of our colleagues and at one point he couldn't talk. so we literally did an al faux bit board so he could point at letters in an arabic board. and any way, after we finished with that, still at the hospital, before the contract yoshs -- the contractors show up and the pop from washington came to the undisclosed location, he gave us the mastermind of 9/11. >> khalid sheikh mohammed. >> yes. we didn't know a lot of information. that is now as being claimed from 2006, until now, as the wider conception campaign being written about in the report, he gave us this information early on. >> so you say you got details of a terrorist attack. >> it is not just me. this is a fact.

these are the records. the senate did an investigation and that investigation was a bipartisan investigation. when they initiated the investigation it was 14-1 who approved that and one day voted on the declassification. it was also a bipartisan vote on the declassification of the summary of the report. they looked into millions of records, they wrote 6,500 pages of evidence, basically, based on -- including 38,000 footnotes and they put out a report. and after reading that report, let me tell you, erin, it is what it was. this is the painful truth. >> and i have to note for our viewers, it was a democratic members of the committee that supported the full report. but to your key point that you are making, that the information he gave, which was so crucial, came from regular interrogation techniques? >> yes. >> not harsh ones.

george w. bush spoke about this in 2006 and said that wasn't true. let me play what he said and get your response. >> during questioning, he had first disclosed what he thought was nominal information. and then stopped all cooperation. we knew that zubayda had more information that could save innocent lives. but he stopped talking. as his questioning proceeded, it became clear that he had received training on how to resist interrogation. and so the cia used an alternative set of procedures. >> then the psychologist, who was involved in this with the cia. he said there was a good-cop, bad-cop sort of thing, sort of setting up you got some of the information but it was because he was afraid of the bad techniques the cia was using so you can't say it was your ways, it was their ways? what do you say? >> that is totally inaccurate. first of all, let me go to what

the president said. i think the president has been misinformed and i think the report shows the president was misin formed. >> so he believed what he said there but he had the wrong information. >> i believe so. i don't believe he lied. i believe he was misinformed and he didn't know much about any of the details until 2006 and he came out and talked about it. he mentioned something that zubayda stopped all cooperation. >> yes, he did. >> that happened in june of 2000 -- i'm sorry, june of 2002. abu zubayda did not stop all cooperation. they left him in isolation for 47 days. they wanted to do some bad stuff and we disagreed. and some cia officers were so angry they left before i left. the fbi pulled my partner and i out. everybody came back in june. they left abu zub aid yu in isolation for 47 days and not one sole spoke with him and they came back and said there is a

ticking bomb and we need to apply these enhanced interrogation techniques to get the information. they water boarded the guy 83 times to get the information that we already have. and that is what the report and the timeline of the report shows clearly. >> thank you very much. ali soufan. an incredible account of what happened. thank you for taking the time to come on and tell us about it. >> thank you, erin. another cosby accusation who has come forward, and what was the drug? that is up next. it helps keep my skin clearer. with only 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses... ... stelara® helps me be in season. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and increase your risk of infections. some serious infections require hospitalization. before starting stelara®... ...your doctor should test for tuberculosis.

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had been drugged. it was very powerful. it came on very quickly. >> johnson's story about that drug drank mirrors the stories of so many other cosby accusers. >> he asked me if i wanted to drink. >> he gave me a blue pill. it was red and capsule. >> he kept offering me pills to relax. >> my next memory is feeling drugged. i passed out. >> joining me now, dr. vif karine. running an outpatient in beverly hills. thank you for being with us. beverly johnson, now the most recent accuser, the super model described the sip of cappuccino, immediately felt woo s and she's confident cosby drugged her. what do you think happened? >> yeah, isn't it interesting that allegedly you've got this man who played a doctor on tv but appears to have wanted to

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it can make you feel excited at first and follows the description of what the individual said. additional, it can cause you the memory impairment. you don't really remember the actions of what happened and it's dissolvable in water and alcohol. the second one is soma, a muscle relaxer. popular in that time period and the same that soma will do. and then chloral hydrate that can create the same effects. the fourth is rohipnol or thb. it's more of a date rape drug and something that you can dissolve in water and you won't even know. the thing in common, they work fast and they slow down the brain and they can impair an individual who doesn't know it's coming. >> one thing you mentioned, at least with seconol, a memory

impairment as well. the nature of the alleged crimes, he hasn't been charged with a crime at this point, do you think that could indicate he had the knowledge that's how these things worked in one of that memory impairment angle? >> yeah, i think what's scary about date rape drugs, not only do they immobilize the person, before they know it is totally sleepy. doesn't see what's going on and all over the place, but they don't know what happened. it affects your brain into almost feeling like you weren't there. you literally wake up and you might be a mess. you have no idea how you got that way. to most of the victims, allegedly, this is the scariest part of date rape drugs. >> that is, i mean, it is terrifying when you think about it. these allegations are horrific when you think about that planning that would have been involved, how carefully he thought about it if indeed this happened.

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