thanks againing if being here today. the next hour of newsroom begins now. >> hi everyone you're in the cnn newsroom. first, defenders of the cia's interrogation program are making a lot of noise. >> we will tell you where you

can read testimony and show you how a number of so called witnesses to the shooting were not really witnesses as all. apparently some lied under oath. let's start with the cia. dick cheney and the man who foresaw the program are questioning the report, the reasons for its release and the con clugs drawn from it. >> there is a notion that there is more inevquivalent but there is nothing that is different. >> this report throws the cia

under the bus, under the boetss. it throws all of these people who pork to protect the country. it sub jeks to threats from isis which i think you have already begun to see. >> a lot to talk about this hour. what do you make of the dick cheney interview. calling this report deeply flawed. >> i think et's totally flawed. you don't do a five and a half year report and not talk to anybody. other thing i found really interesting is the cia looking

into her eplals and staff e-mails and she didn't like that and it was one of those moments to pause for me. i think her anger tells me a lot about the reasoning behind the support. >> why -- wasn't it diane -- >> i'm saying diane fine stooen said it. he didn't want to talk to anybody and she was mad they looked at her e-mails. that tells you the basis for this report. >> maybe, or they did not interview many partly because the doj was doing an investigation and they didn't.

>> i think you're right because of the initial reason. but to reduce this to a witch hunt who was animated by the frustration over e-mail investigation might be a bit shortsighted or dismissive. >> but she said it about torture. the point here is torturing for enhanced interrogation. initially they didn't do it and then they say we did it but we had to do it and when they say they didn't have to do it, it works. it should be not only criticized but more.

the president nigh about it. i knew about it. also, brian, we knew some of this as it was going on because of leaks. leaks at the cia. then this report says really warrant followed up on internally getting to the bottom of them. >> do you think that the sky used the media? >> i think that's one of the things this report illustrates. i would love to see what is in the other 6,000 pages but we know that the media was at times used by the cia in order top present a positive approachment. i any what we can all agree on is tr is a lot that didn't no.

there's a lot that i did not know. >> we can all agree that is worth knowing about. >> it's incredibly frustrating. this type of stuff is dangerous and we have bought into the idea that if it keeps us safe anything goes. >> we can't make a moral distincti distinction. >> when we spend time talking about whether this is biased or

whatever we are not talking about the mor callty of the program. >> do you think you should be talking about what the moral said. >> you have got the fog of war coming in here. i'm in favor of doing things better but to act as if all of these detainees were -- they were used specifically against team at the highest level first

and foremost. i think having people in the twin towers having to choose between jumping to their death or burning to death. >> how about forced rectal feeding. >> what about to these people on the plane? i'm looking out for them first and foremost. when you have an attack like that that happens there are some people worth more alive than dead. sometimes those people are pretty smart and saying you want to speak with us is not going get any information out of them. >> reality is that it doesn't work. >> we have to get a break in. let's think about what john mccain said that this does not reresult in nusful information. someone who has a lot of credn't. we will be back on the other

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>> possibly hundreds of civilians and pakistan and yemen, how much of the operations have become republic and stranz parent. >> i can't say for sure whether there are legal questions that he will face because the done competition is league. i don't think that president obama's drone program is morally superior to bush's reign of -- when you talk about how war par 'tis pats are constructioned in a place like emena, we're basing it on age. if you're 18 and in the area you are interested a member of the

meneni army. the count will be high. i can't wait to find out because i do not hold president obama on this. it's disushing. >> john brennan this is at the historic news conference. >> during my tenure at the white house as the assistant for tounter terrorism. the use of the unmanned aerl vehicles and the on the tough effort has done remend work to keep this country safe. >> when i heard that and we herd dick tany sporked. they tent us safe. they got us spchgs and they said no crime was submitted. to you sigh those pretty

equivale equivalent. >> i think they both understand that we have a war on terror. i don't like the drone strikes as our main ultimate strategy. they are dead when it comes to knowing what you in your het. about it all. >> relax. >> i don't think -- told on. he let i don't it's torture to water board the -- only one innocent person in the senator was killed. a case of mysticen identity. i have to laugh at ours who act like they are sitting on the moral high ground. there is no question, no

questioning. we're talking about hundreds of innocent people. they are using drones so you don't have to take people to places like kwan on the mow. this is how they see where they -- dead men tonight talk and i'm hocked that tems are ae luing this to happen. i think thooes questions added? >> i don't think so. i think the war is ugly, want to weigh in. this becomes a straw man. no one here is saying that somehow the president should fon the reason i laughed is nouz because i find droning harmful but the.

-- >> i never said to torture anyone. >> i never set to fortune anyone. >> let make that clear. let me finish this. you obviously don't understand what i'm saying. i'm -- ben, i'm son keeding the point. what maybe is maybe as interrogation. but my min in both cases there is an ethical challenge that is here in the nation. in other words just because it works does it mean we should do it? that's the problem. >> what would you propose then? >> no matter what happens at 911, that dund abserve us from moral responsibility. >> if you don't like drones and water boarding.

what would you do. and the matter mine of 911. how would you deal with these terrorists. i'm not hearing any from you or diane or anybody at the house that that is your brilliant ychltd one it's a logical fallacy to see that -- let me answer. the answer to your question is you can do a sophisticated entear gas station techniques without rising to the loefl of torture. that's coming from john mccain. >> all right, men, we have to take a quick break. i want to continue this

conversation on the other side. we will be right back. we will talk about the curse of pg a public official always having to be on camera and what you see. and our investigation that found that in some places it is harder to become a man curist than an armed security guard. ♪ ♪

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>> we are the ones we have been waiting for. we are the change that we seek. >> we know there are known unknowns. >> when we talk about war we're really talking about peace. >> i actually voted for that. before i voted against it.

>> voting for something before and then you voted against it before that. just about anyone who has to live in front of a microphone, a camera will say things that confuse us. to you mark first. should we be parsing every single word and sentence for little inconsistencies. is that helpful? >> of course we should. how else would we stay employed. sometimes you say things that make good defense. i thigh to be a little kinder. >> a little kinder. trying to bend.

we all say things and think does that make any ens? 4. >> everyone knows what the meaning of is, is. some people think i'm so smart and brilliant i will be able to talk my way around it above it under it that i will just confuse everybody. >> what do you think? what do you think the public remembers long term in things like this?

>> i think it depends on the person. if you're dan quail you will be remembered as the guy who can't spell potato. people remember him for a great deal of things. >> she recently said she was dead broke. and no one thinks she was dead broke leaving the white house. >> the interview with abc? >> yeah. everyone knew it and she's still the front run ir. always fun. thank you. appreciate it. coming up next the prosecutor in ferguson has released a lot of new fgs.

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>> we just got a huge document on hundreds of more pages of official doctors released from sfishls and a stack just a few weeks ago. some of the people they say they saw it and then they admitted it

later. other to called waitresses broke their toet. this came from witnesses on boed sides. that stood out to be most reading that witnesses on both sides lied about it. >> and they were chal enged on both sides. there are a handful of witnesses that the defense brought up that were not helpful. and others mate mid t not cred anlt at all. that ip colludes prosecution and

grand jurors. number one 35 is very pro michael brown he kept changing his store so a grand juror asking him are you telling him that the only thing that eegs true that s that you saw that plifr at point-blank rank? then the witness said yes. this is witness 40 plus it stash r turns out that he had posted a racist rant. so witness, the prosecutor skull actually asks he do you think that he dreams about this. but this is what happen with people's credibility in efrl cases should we take a look at this and you feel for the grand jury that has to sit through ours and hours. >> and then the question bms why

the prosecution chose to put some of these withins that they deemed pretty incredible in front of our chand injury. >> one says that the prosecution went into this wanting the officer to be exonerated. then you have people on the other side who say this prosecution knew that not whatter kwha it did, and that there would northeast likely be a federal investigation. and so so that this prosecution wanted to be able to say we bossed everything at the grand jury. what the grand jury did get was a giant jumble of information.

>> coming up on tuesday, cnn is going introduce you to the ordinary people who have done extraordinary things this year. one of them is a highway state patrol capitol who helped bring peace to the area. >> it seemed like something out of the 60s. >> with ferguson cops at the middle of the controversy, the governor turned it to the highway patrol. >> this community never needed him more than in this moment.

you were probably telling everybody i don't know so. >> the magnitude was so large of what i saw and not knowing if i was wrong enough to tas it. >> you didn't think you could do it? >> no. >> we are going to have a difference approach. >> i loved the press conference. finally overcame the objections and started the healing. >> she said no, i want you to march in front with me and i told people that that was a changing point. >> more mur on that tuesday

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>> we can imagine what is the most sensitive data that a company has? it seems like a lot has already come out so security numbers and private medical records and private e-mails between stars and executives. >> like those, amy has apologized, all of that. does the top brass need to go? >> it's tough to say. >> the long fall out. people asking that for sure. the flip side is they are trying to steer this company and get it back on its feet. the question is whether they have lost the trust. and that's hard to measure right now. >> it was interesting. i have richard on the program earlier this week, the big pr

firm and i said how should they be handling it. instead of cancelling all of the interviews, they should have had the top executives sit down with one network and do a long interview. >> production was being halted. i checked in with sony. they are not commenting. and they won't say so on the record. so they are very much in a defensive posture. >> try to get out in front of it. >> this new ledder that we're getting today from a lawyer may suggest a new strategy. >> so let's talk about this letter. we have not received it yet but it's a letter from a big name attorney saying basically what, brian? >> saying that -- demanding basically these media outlet's

stop using the material. if they have it so delete it and strop trafficking in stolen information. the studio does not consent to the copy or publication of this information. this has come many, many days after this news organization began to be published. then trickling up. blfr. >> we're just reporting what has already been on the websites. >> that's right. you know -- >> taking legal action. we have to look at what the prs.

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>> you see him everywhere. a lot like police but unlike police, they are training and government oversight are spotty at best and sometimes they lead to tragedy. drew did an exclusive report. >> this is former security guard joshua, taking a smoking break outside the private security company where he works in suburban phoenix. he's not carrying a gun now.

>> licensing question quirements were found to vary and it can be harder to become a man curist than to become an armed security guard. >> daniel today is in a wheelchair paralyzed after being shot through his car window over stolen food. the person who shot and nearly killed him was a 19-year-old security guard who should have never been allowed to carry a gun. >> joshua, drew griffin with cnn. how are you? we have been trying to get in touch with you and we're doing a

story on security guards. how is that possible? >> i would rather not comment. >> no comment. >> it was it was shortly before 2:00 in the morning on june 3rd, 2009, in this convenience store in tucson. he was 18 years old. the other hired as a security guard watching for shoplifters. >> we were just going to get some food and leave and it wasn't going to be that big of a deal. >> reporter: durango says he waited outside in his car as his friends went in to steal food and in the next few moments, the security guard gave chase. a scuffle broke out. his friends ran. torango threw the car in reverse. he opened fire. >> i just heard -- when i heard the gunfire, i looked back and i just seen the glass shatter and i felt like a slight push, like

somebody had pushed me over. >> reporter: turango admits he should have never been there. it turns out the other should not have been working as an armed guard there, either. hi had a criminal record as a juvenile. in fact, he had several run-ins with the juvenile system. when he was 13, he pled guilty to two counts of aggravated assault. he was deemed a felon and juvenile delinquent. the court placed him on probation and made him a prohibitive possessor, he lost his right to bear harms at least until he turned 30. but even with all that information, we discovered the arizona department of public safety never checked his record. captain steve entemen oversees licensing for armed guards. this guy's juvenile records apparently weren't checked. where was the breakdown? >> arizona does not require juvenile records to be reported.

it was an adjudicated record as opposed to a conviction. it did not show he had any type of record whatsoever. >> reporter: certainly the check could go beyond that, could look at his juvenile records. >> we could look at his juvenile records had he disclosed he had that in his background. >> reporter: as long as he lies on his application, he basically hides his entire juvenile record? >> in this particular case, yes. >> reporter: the state didn't even need his juvenile record. since he is a prohibited possessor banned from carrying a gun, that information would have showed up in a federal law enforcement database, but arizona didn't check it. the state of arizona may be a poster child for what's wrong with the nation's lack of regulation for the armed security guard industry. the armed guard training consisted of 16 hours, 4 of which took place at a gun range. arizona is 1 of 27 states that doesn't check if someone applying to become an armed

guard is prohibit ed from possessing a gun. the company who hired kosatschenko declined to comment. cnn. >> please leave the building. we don't want to be on film. >> reporter: okay. in a court deposition, he said he was fully justified in shooting the fleeing shoplifters because his job was to stop him. did you think it was smart to chase after him into the parking lot? >> wouldn't necessarily say it was smart or not smart. i would say that it's a danger soernt e associated with the job. >> and the job was to arrest suspected shoplifters? >> to arrest shoplifters for anything, period. >> reporter: steve is a lobbyist and general counsel for the national association of security companies. we met up with him at the industry's annual convention earlier this year. where he continues to push for fbi background checks for anyone

who wants to be an armed guard. in nine states, even an fbi background check is not required. >> the public, they look to security officers in emergency situations. we want to make sure that this guy is properly vetted and is not going to be a problem, himself. >> reporter: that's not going to be easy. in the last four years there have been no fewer than a dozen bills introduced in state legislatures and in congress trying to control, license, or regular late who can become a security guard. of those, most have failed. >> get down on the ground. >> reporter: even after the shooting of daniel terango, arizona did little to change its licensing requirements. there is this additional box which relies on applicants to disclose or check if they are a prohibited possessor. legally barred from owning a gun. but arizona still doesn't check that federal database when someone applies to be an armed guard. >> if they're not truthful with

us, we can't control if the person is untruthful to us. >> reporter: as for joshua kosatschenko, he was arrested for attempted murder but only convicted for violatining the l that banned him from possessing a gun. he now works according to his linkedinned page as a corporate trainer and hiring manager for the very same security company t he worked for the night he shot and nearly killed daniel tarengo. >> no comment, sir. >> no comment at all? >> no comment. >> wow, what a report from drew griffin. all right. coming up next, new information on an american, a 29-year-old released from a psychiatric hospital then bought a ticket to china and crossed over to north korea where he is right now. how did this happen? what's going to happen? that's next. i make a lot of purchases for my business.

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welcome back, i'm poppy harlow in new york. this story now, u.s. embassies overseas have been looking for an american citizen. this weekend he turned up in north korea. our will ripley is following this story live from tokyo for us. this is a 29-year-old and everyone's asking, how did he get from the united states into north korea?

>> reporter: arturo martinez -- so he got out, got a payday loan, then went to beijing, china, and crossed into north korea sometime in november. he was there just a couple of days after the american director of national intelligence james clapper retrieved -- >> all right. we're having technical problems hearing will ripley. we're going to bring him back in the next hour as soon as we fix them. it's an extraordinary story. this 29-year-old from el paso, texas, who was in a psychiatric hospital in california was released. he took out a payday loan. his mother says. flew to china, and then crossed over into north cree y. he's in north korea right now. you looking at a picture of him. right now. his name, arturo pierre