explosive device. that is certainly gunfire. the police are throwing something. >> they are. they are throwing something into the doorway. we have just seen another hostage come out. a woman is being brought out. >> that may well be a grenade. >> we can see a woman there from these live pictures being carried out by officers. >> i can just see now, i don't know if you can see on the live shot a whole bunch of pair paramedics. they are uning up toward the lindt cafe. i counted four stretchers. >> we can see it on the live shot. >> the ambulances are racing through bringing patients out. we have an ambulance driver that asked the camera people to move out of the way. they had a patient to bring out. they then turned around and sped

out. i saw multiple ambulances racing out moments ago and shortly after, about three police cars raced in toward the city toward the center of the scene. i can smell the gunfire in the air. it's really quite an incredible scene. the city is still silent apart from the sirens and the volley of gunfire. >> those were the sights and sounds early this morning, in the early morning hours in sydney. since then, we have learned about it. we have how the white house responded. anna is in sydney. in terms of why this guy did this, how much do we know about his motivation? >> reporter: yeah, look, anderson, we still don't know what his motivations are. he pledged some sort of

allegiance to isis. he's operating by himself. extremely disturbing details we are learning and questions were asked why was this man on the street? he was out on bail for two separate, serious matters. one was 14 counts of sexual assault involving seven victims. the other, an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife found stabbed multiple times. she was found dead in her apartment in sydney last year. he also pleaded guilty to writing appalling letters to the families of dead australian soldiers. so, clearly, a man who has been a risk. a man who had a criminal history and was known to police. some of the reports are that he was known to police up to seven years. serious questions are being

asked as to why he was on the streets. >> i know it's early hours and the investigation is going on. is it clear how the hostages who were killed, how they died? >> reporter: no. police held a press conference earlier today. they did not release those details. however, you mentioned torey johnson. about a block from where we are. there are reports he tried to tackle the gunman, who is why this siege, i should say the police, the commanders decided to storm this cafe just after 2:00 a.m. they claim they heard gunshots and that's why they entered. >> there had been a number of arrests and the terror alert in australia had been raised back in september. >> reporter: yeah.

that's absolutely right. the reason being australia became a target for islamic extremists. the reason being, it was involved in the war against isis. the united states asked for allies to fight. australia was up there. australian fighter jets taking part in the air campaign over iraq and syria. you know, we also need to note when isis put out the call for lone wolf attacks, they mentioned australia. there are 100 australian citizens that authorities know of who have gone to iraq and syria to fight with isis. that's what they know. let alone the supporters here on the ground. it is a small minority, but nonetheless, people here sympathize with isis and support isis. clearly, this man, this armed gunman who took these 17

hostages, he sympathized with them. he was on the radar of the police but clearly, they weren't watching him yesterday. >> anna, appreciate it. jim, i understand the president had tough words for isis today. >> reporter: that's right. it was a big concern at the white house. the white house said the president was receiving regular updates on the hostage siege in sydney from the counterterrorism advise adviser. national security officials at the white house are staying in close contacts here in washington and in sydney. that is why u.s. authorities were aware of this gunman in sydney. no word on whether the president spoke with the prime minister, tony abbott. australia has been a top ally in the u.s.-led coalition fight against isis. this afternoon, the president said the u.s. and partners are,

quote, hammering isis and they will be defeated. here is what he had to say. >> we have blunted their momentum and put them on the defensive. they are learning the same things the leaders of al qaeda learned the hard way, they may think they can chalk up quick victories, but our reach is long. we do not give up. you threaten america, you have no safe haven. we will find you and the world is going to leave you behind and keep moving on without you. we will get you. >> speaking of the war in al qaeda, the president used the speech to note the combat mission in afghanistan is wrapping up. we should point out the u.s. is leading 11,000 troops in afghanistan, 1,000 more than previously planned. the war still goes on. >> appreciate it, thanks. let's dig deeper. the attack and global attention is far from new. more on that from jason. >> reporter: september 5, 1972,

the munich summer olympics were under way. mark spitz was going for a record seven goals. millions tuned in but ended up witnessing a tragedy that played out on televisions all over the world. members of a palestinian terrorist group disguised as athletes. nine taken hostage. captors demand, release of 234 prisoners. 24 hours after it began it ends at a german airport, then this announcement. >> they are all gone. >> reporter: experts say the outcome might have been avoided. >> the problem with munich was the lack of coordination between command, between tactical people on the ground and negotiators. >> reporter: october 23, 2002, in moscow, 50 armed chechen

rebels attack take hostages and demand removal of russian troops. two and a half days later, russian authorities pump and unknown gas into a theater and storm it. 129 hostages are killed and all 39 terrorists. terrorists strike again two years later september 1, 2004 at a school. similar demands, the same tragic outcome. 1200 children and adults are taken hostage. russian authorities storm the school on the third day. at least 334 hostages are killed, including 186 children. the high seas, the scene of high drama. april 8, 2009 when somali pirates tried to hijack a cargo ship. most of the ships crew hid on

board during the ambush. captain richard phillips is taken hostage. they hold him in a small lifeboat as naval forces move in and try to negotiate the release. it ends in a surprise nighttime assault. three pilots are killed, phillips survives. >> i'm not a hero, the military is. >> reporter: now the hostage stand off in sydney reached its end. the self-described muslim cleric dead, so are two hostages. >> why two hostages died are going to teach a lesson. this is a new type of threat in open societies like in australia and the united states. we are going to have to be nimble in response. >> reporter: nimble and keenly aware of the past. jason carroll, cnn, new york. >> we'll talk more about that and what can be learned from this attack in the event and the likely event it will happen

again somewhere else. possibly even in the united states. as a quick reminder, set your dvr to watch 360 when you would like. coming up, my conversation with a former extremist about who the gunman was and what motivated him and others like him. you have heard the term used to describe the gunman. it's the wrong way to look at it. we'll explain why when we come back. ♪ ah, ♪ h it.

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subject with director of a counter extremist group. he's also a contributor to the daily beast. he's a former radical himself, who is trying to stem the tide of islamic extremism around the world. law enforcement has been saying this type of loan-wolf attack is the one they are most concerned with. do you believe it's a mistake to call this guy a loan wolf? >> it is a mistake. i would use the term self-starter. >> a self-starter? >> yes. it doesn't describe it correctly to say lone wolf. president obama said we want to destroy isil. we took that approach with al qaeda. we took out their leaders and bin laden himself. we saw a ma tast sizing of it. >> it's not enough for muslims

to simply say, look, i don't believe in beheading hostages. people have to go further than that? >> yes. there was a twitter campaign off the back of this attack. australian non-muslims saying we'll ride with you and protect you. it's a commendable thing. i often ask, if we expect non-muslims to speak out against anti-muslim bigotry and as evidence, the hashtag campaign on twitter. how many times are muslim's saying we condemn the terrorism. >> his former attorney said this is a one-off random individual not acting in concert with anyone calling him a damaged individual who has done something outrageous. do you think it's dangerous to just say, okay, this is a one off thing? >> absolutely.

it's very dangerous. we have the school shootings in america as a phenomenon. they are one off. there's a difference here. the difference is in the case of islamist self-starters, there's a bunch of iconography that inspires multiple one offs. at what stage do they stop becoming one offs and recognize we are dealing with a phenomenon and terrorists across the world. what i fear is that we have simply added to the dangers we are desperately trying to prepare for. >> isis prepared a statement asking for muslim's to kill australian nationals amongst others. you have no doubt we are going to see more of this in other places around the world. it only takes -- again, it doesn't take a well-trained individual with international connections, it can be, as you say, a self-starter. >> self-starter, i use that word

because it implies they weren't in touch with others. we know this man who has been shot dead in the hostage siege, he was radicalized. he had a social media presence. they were in touch with each other. it's important to mention the australian police conducted a series of raids. what happened in response to the raids is australian muslims took to the streets protesting the police reaction saying it was heavy handed. now, we have this attack. so, all of us, collectively, have to get real with the problem, recognizing there is, indeed, this challenge of these often, you know, pathological individuals who will use this ideology as an excuse to live out their fantasies. >> it's great to have you on again. thank you. a lot to talk about. with us is former fbi hostage

negotiator, chris, and also former fbi counterterrorism -- and former navy s.e.a.l. and ceo for the united states continued service. phillip, do you believe it's inevitable there are going to be more of these kind of whether it's self-starters or loan wolfs, whatever you want to call them, these attacks in the united states and elsewhere. >> sure. it's a numbers game. it's a question of ideology. he is dead on talking about these folks as self-starters, not home grown. it is a global movement they are joining. it's not something they built out of their basement by themselves. if you look at the numbers, hundreds of people from north america, thousands from europe. if you assume they represent maybe 1% of those who might sympathize with the isis movement, you get a sense, in my mind, someone followed it 25 years, a magnitude of the

problem we have. thousands, tens of thousands of people who may not be inspired to go to syria or iraq share views like in sydney. >> how hard is it to track these guys, then? >> look, i think it's extremely difficult. the first thing i would be doing if i were the fbi is talking to the former director says we have to do an action. maybe in concert with our friends in australia to say can we find these people in the united states. the problem you have in contrast with what we face with al qaeda, you can chase with the al qaeda core in 2001. you can chase communications. you can chase fund-raisers. you can chase the leadership that fled afghanistan. find me a hand hold with somebody like this, somebody with a bit of ideology, but who is mentally unstable. find me a hand hold you can chase. a vulnerability. i see a sheet of ice. i can't find a hand hold to work with.

>> jonathan, in terms with how law enforcement responds to an incident like this in the united states, are we ready for this? >> well, i don't think we are completely ready for it. i think a lot of tactics and thinking has to be changed. one of the biggest things to change is what the previous guest was saying, these people are not necessarily what you can pick out. when the boston bombing happens, it's good to educate the public. the public, they are going to be the ones that are there when it happens. they have to be more aware. i will say, though, that a lot of these people aren't just self-starters as in the boston bombing. they are more than self-starters. they are zealous because they are new in their religion. prison is a place they convert. i'm a christian. a lot of people, when they first find their faith, they are very

easily endock trinated into a certain type of belief in their faith. if you are in prison and ind indoctrined into this, it's hard to go after them. i will say this. that, where he was talking the sheet of ice, the reality is, the one thing we can do is muslims can start policing their own. we are not going to be able to do it. it's up to them. i think law enforcement really needs to start working with muslim population and the muslim population needs to reach out to law enforcement. >> in terms of negotiating, how -- how do you go about negotiating with somebody like this? you know, it's not somebody just holding up a bank because they want money from the bank. >> it's studying the ideology from our end and understanding where they are coming from and what their goals are. as simple as it sounds, i

mentioned this before. empathy. looking at their position and not making judgment on it at all. become predictable once you get into the situation and you know where they are coming from. you look at how they communicate. as we discussed, whether or not they are on a killing journey. >> we were talking in the last hour with jonathan, school shootings, columbine, wait before you go in, find out where everybody is. now the thought is, go in as quickly as you can. these things actually, school shootings, they end quickly. i'm wondering, in a situation like this, as a negotiator, are there ticmes when you say negotiation is not going to work here? this person is determined to die and we need to work quickly? >> you can't negotiate a gunfight or riot. you have to understand what you are walking into at the moment. the earmarks of the situation.

the school shootings are ongoing gunfights. a gunman shows up at the school and takes lives. these situations where the hostage taker is in an attention getting mode, he's settling things down and lining the window with hostages. it's unwise to barge in. they would have lost more hostages than they did. look at the earmarks of the situation when you arrive and based on what the hostage taker is doing at the time. you go, if it's appropriate. if you try to have a more deliberate result. >> it's interesting to me, we saw the mumbai attacks. that was more centrally controlled. a handful of people operating different locations can have a major impact on the life of the city. it can essentially bring a city to a halt through just a few, you know, grenades or handguns.

they don't need advanced weaponry and huge amounts of training. >> well, i remember sitting at the table. we used to do nightly briefings with the cia director in 2002 and 2003. i remember one thing happening that i never anticipated. i thought we were facing the architects of 911. then attacks in saudi arabia, attacks in africa, madrid and london. i started thinking we are not only facing al qaeda, but affiliated organizations across africa into the philippines and london. then something happened in 2008, anderson. we saw it in minneapolis, minnesota. in new york, across this country, we started to see individuals. remember on the west coast, a kid thinking of attacking a christmas tree ceremony. we are seeing the genesis of a revolutionary movement that is not connected to a core group. if you want to find those guys, have a good time.

i don't know how you do. >> phil, i appreciate you being on. jonathan and chris as well. a short time ago, i spoke with clover moore about what is a tough and tragic day in her city. in terms of the hostages, how are they doing? i know there were injuries. law enforcement were injured. how are they now? >> well, we know a number of them are in a hospital. some of them quite seriously and we haven't really had a recent report from the hospital on that. we know that five escaped. they are incredibly fortunate and we know that two were killed. people are showing their sorrow and support for their families by leaving flowers where this occurred. >> at this point, do you know how it was that the hostages were killed? >> no, we don't. and, the police won't have a

thorough investigation step by step and then inform the public about what happened. we know that all of yesterday, for many, many hours, the whole thing was managed professionally and calmly. i think the shootings were set off by actions by the perpetrator and then we saw the sad and shocking event that unfolded when the prerp traitor was killed and the two hostages were also killed and others seriously injured. so, we -- i mean it's still early. all that information will be made public when it's quite clear what the sequence of events was. >> as far as you know in this stage of the investigation, you believe he was acting alone? >> what we do know is this was isolated. a person with a violent background.

it's the sort of thing that can happen any place at anytime. people got caught up in the terrible situation. some of them escaped, two are dead and others seriously injured. it's one of those shocking one off events. the perpetrator was acting on his own, a lone wolf, not associated with anyone else. it is a shocking thing to have in our city because our city is a very harmonious, socially diverse, welcoming and inclusive city. we pride ourselves on that. we strongly believe this terrible one off incident doesn't change who we are and the way we feel about our city. >> mayor, i appreciate you being with us under these circumstances. thank you. >> thank you. >> for more go to cnn.com.

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former vice president dick cheney has made it clear he thinks the torture report is full of crap, in his words. it's a direct quote. he said it on fox news last week. he thinks is u.s. government was justified in doing it and would do it again in a minute. he defended the interrogation techniques. take a look. >> i have no problem, as long as we achieve our objective. it was to get the guys who did

9/11 and avoid another attack. i was prepared, we did. we got authorization from the president and the justice department to go forward with the program. it worked. it worked for 13 years. we avoided a mass casualty. we paptured bin laden and the senior guys of al qaeda. i would do it again in a minute. >> the enhanced interrogation techniques as they call them. joining me is former fbi special agent who investigated events surrounding 9/11 and now ceo. when you hear dick cheney saying these techniques, what a lot of people consider torture, enhanced interrogation techniques led us to bin laden, you say it's not true. >> it's absolutely not true. i testified about it in 2009 in

front of the senate. i was the only person able to raise their right hand and testify under oath. today, we see the largest comprehensive investigation. millions of documents, cia documents, 6700 pages, supported with 38,000 footnotes. so, these are the evidence. talk is cheap. people can say whatever they want. mr. cheney can say he was on mars yesterday and he just came back. the facts are the facts. >> you said in the past, the torture techniques led us away from bin laden, how so? >> torture techniques led us away from cooperating. it builds a wall between different agencies. >> you hear from, in realtime, the cable sent by cia officer who is opposed the program and their higher ups told them, from washington, no, keep going, this person has more information. >> sure, absolutely. the funniest thing is mr. cheney, as we talked, the

program kept us safe. the program has been shelved since 2005. a lot of people you were talking about came back to cia headquarters and said we have a problem with what's happening. the cia inspector general conducted an investigation that resulted in shelving the program. >> former vice president cheney on "meet the press." a, refuses to kind of address the people who were innocent and the techniques were used against. basically, says they were all terrorists, they were all guilty. when he was asked to define torture, he refused to do it. this is basically what his answer was. >> torture to me, chuck, is an american citizen on a cell phone making the last call to his four young daughters shortly before he burns to death in the upper levels of the trade center in

new york city on 9/11. there's a notion that somehow there's moral equivalence with what the terrorists did and what we do. that is not true. we were careful to stop short of torture. >> no one is making an argument between what terrorists did on 9/11 and the techniques use zed on a number of people by a contractor. >> it's interesting to make emotional statements. the statements are not the facts. for example, most of the information as it has senate report tells us, were obtained and resulted in us stopping, destructing the plots, abrehending terrorists, resulted without the interrogation techniques. these are the facts. i know that firsthand. >> let's go into detail on that. a man addressed in this report, president bush came forward saying he stopped talking. these tactics were used on him.

listen to what president bush said. you were involved. you know firsthand. listen to what the president said. >> during questioning, he disclosed nominal information. then stopped all cooperation. we knew that he had more information that could save innocent lives. but he stopped talking. as this questioning proceeded, it became clear that he received training on how to resist interrogation. so, the cia used an alternative set of procedures. >> whether president bush knew this at the time, is what he said true? >> he is misinformed. he is definitely misinformed and the time line is clear in the senate report. he was providing intelligence from the first hour. >> you know this because you were providing it? >> i was interrogating him, my partner and i.

gave information about ksm and identify him from 9/11. >> why did he give information? >> this is not the very first time we interrogated a person. we interrogated people involved in the uss call and the africa u.s. embassy. they teach us. they train us on how to interrogate people that don't want to give information. in this case where the president said he stopped talking, he did not stop talking. they put him in isolation for 47 days, anderson. not one soul talking to him. >> they pulled you out. the first time you talked to him, he gave you khalid mohammad. >> he gave information about threats. >> if that was working, why were you pulled out? >> they had people in washington

and a contractor saying he's not giving all the information. if he did not admit he was the number three person of al qaeda, he's not cooperating. we knew he was not the number three person, not even an al qaeda member. they dropped the fact he is a member of al qaeda from charges against him. >> you still have former cia directors saying he was a member of al qaeda. >> i think that's fascinating. i think it's fascinating. i think it's fascinating after all these years, after all these years we have no idea who is who in the enemy. >> great to have you on. thank you. >> thank you. coming up, the latest on the hack around the entertainment world. personal information, screen plays, documents and movies stolen. what sony is trying to do to plug the leak, next.

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welcome back. hollywood is reeling as hackers continue to leak more documents including embarrassing e-mails from executives and social security numbers of 47,000 people. a lawyer hired by sony is demanding the media outlets destroy the documents and not report them. the hackers are promising there's more to come. pamela brown reports. ♪

>> reporter: james bonds appears to be battling a new enemy, not on the big screen. the sony hackers who call themselves guardians of peace have stolen an early version of the script. the concern is that they will leak it to the public. over the weekend, the group posted online, we are preparing for you a christmas gift. it will surely give you more pleasure and put sony pictures into the worst state. >> i have a gift for you. >> oh, oh, this dog is killing me, his cuteness. >> reporter: christmas day is when the interview is set to release, the assassination attempt of kim jong-un, which is country strongly condemned. >> i don't think it's a good time to withdrawal, i think it's a good time to stand your ground. they have weathered a tremendous attack. i think they can take more, they are strong people. >> reporter: cnn learned sony is deciding whether to sensor parts

of the film for international audiences. tonight, federal investigators are looking into whether north korea is behind the unprecedented hollywood hack that opened up a treasure troef of confidential information and embarrassing information about angelina jolie and george clooney. >> aren't we old for that? >> reporter: the latest leak shows clooney was upset about the bad reviews from "the monuments men" e-mailing to the sony exec, i fear i have let you all down. not my intention, i apologize, i just lost touch. in a separate e-mail exchange, they called leonardo leonardo d behavior. >> it seems to be intelligent people doing this. they know how to damage the

studio. >> reporter: as the leaks continue to slowly trickle out, sony hired a trial lawyer who sent a threatening letter to the media, including cnn. if you do not comply with the request and the stolen information is used or disseminated by you in any manner, sony will have no choice but to hold you responsible. >> on the one hand rksz david boies is going to argue, this is stolen material. aiding and abetting and trying to get the benefit of it. on the other side, though, media outlets are going to say, hey, this is material of enormous public interest. it doesn't matter how it came into our hands, the public has a right to know what went on in this industry. >> reporter: pamela brown, cnn, washington. >> the question is if sony can unring the bell.

jeffrey joins us. can they stop news organizations from publishing the information that comes from the e-mails? >> this is an easy one. the answer is no. there is no legal impetment. >> everyon if it's not obtained legally? >> it's illegal to do the hacking, but, if it's placed on a public website as these documents have been, and they are what they proport to be and there's no doubt they are, there's no legal barrier. >> there's a supreme court case precedent in this, right? >> there are a lot of cases. if the government -- a document is public and it's true, there's really no way a journalist can be stopped from doing it unless it violates copyright and none of those issues are present here. it's certainly bad luck for sony, but as a legal matter,

their remedy, if they have one is against the people who did the hacking, not the journalist. >> it raises ethical issues. they wrote an op-ed in the new york times taking the information. he said let's say every news outlet that did the bidding of guardians of peace, is mormly treason and dishonorable. >> it's an easy legal question, but hard in ethics and morality. >> the pentagon and papers with information into the country. >> they are juicy, they are gossipy, but not of great national interest. we can manufacture a high-minded reason for what we do. we can say it's about the way executives talk about african-americans or the way it's about whether men and women are paid differently in high, in big corporations.

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breaking news tonight. intensive manhunt is under way right now in montgomery county, pennsylvania. this is the man they're looking for. he's 35 years old. his name is bradley williams stone. a decorated former u.s. marine. allegedly he killed six people early this morning about 50 miles northwest of philadelphia. authorities say he's armed and dangerous, and they're asking anyone with any information about his whereabouts to please call 911. our susan candiotti joins me now. so what have you been learning about the shooter? >> this is apparently how it all went down. you already talked about him being this ex-marine reservist who served in iraq for three months. but here's what happened, and it started about 3:30 this morning according to authorities. the rampage began when he

allegedly shoots and kills first his former wife's sister, her husband, and their 14-year-old daughter. and then seriously wounds her 17-year-old brother. and then about an hour later he goes to the home of his ex-mother-in-law, killing her and her elderly mother. then he drives to his former wife's house, kills her, and takes away his two daughters wearing their pajamas. he drops them off with one of his own neighbors about 20 miles away, and they are safe. now, according to a law enforcement source, i'm told the motive appears to be domestic. according to court papers, it was not a happy divorce. child custody and support problems. some neighbors say the two exes were constantly fighting, anderson. >> do authorities know anything about his whereabouts tonight? >> you know, they don't. a source is telling us there's a possible sighting in doylestown, which is about 25 miles away where all this began. and our affiliate wpvi says that he apparently attempted to

carjack a vehicle using a knife. >> hmm. all right. well, obviously, he's considered armed and dangerous. and again, police want anybody who has any information to call 911. susan candiotti. just ahead, yet more breaking news. what camille cosby is now saying about the rape allegations her husband has been facing. and ah, so you can see like right here i can just... you know, check my policy here, add a car, ah speak to customer service, check on a claim...you know, all with the ah, tap of my geico app. oh, that's so cool. well, i would disagree with you but, ah, that would make me a liar. no dude, you're on the jumbotron! whoa. ah...yeah, pretty much walked into that one. geico anywhere anytime. just a tap away on the geico app.

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breaking news at it hour. bill cosby's wife tonight is speaking out in support of her

husband. as you probably know, more than a dozen women have accused the comedian of sexually assaulting them over the years. camille cosby has released a statement and cnn's jean casarez joins me now. what does she say? >> she says a lot, anderson. first of all, she talks about her husband as being a kind and generous and a funny man. she also says this -- a different man has been portrayed in the media over the last two months. it is the portrait of a man i do not know. it is also a portrait painted by individuals who organizations who many in the media have given a pass. there appears to be no vetting of my husband's accusers before stories are published or aired. an accusation is published and immediately goes viral. and anderson, as you know, we are responsible journalists. we do preinterview process. we do a vetting process before anyone goes on our air. >> bill cosby's wife, she compared the allegations against her husband to the "rolling stone" article about rape at uva. right? >> she does. so it's very aware that she is knowledgeable about what is in the news cycle right now, and she talks about that we all followed the story of the

alleged gang rape at the university of virginia and the fraternity house. she talks about the story being heartbreaking but ultimately appears to be untrue. and then she talks about how the media immediately linked her husband and this uva story, and she concludes with saying, but the question should be asked, who is the real victim in all of this? and she is alluding to the fact that her husband is the victim. >> hmm. she has not given an interview or spoken publicly. this was all through just a prepared statement, correct? >> this was a statement she released to certain media entities. cnn asked for the statement, and we received it just a short time ago. >> jean casarez, thanks very much. a lot has happened in the last two hours, especially in sydney, australia which is coming to grips with the hostage taking and the loss of two innocent lives. tory johnson, 34 years old, who reportedly lost his life trying to disarm the gunman, and katrina dawson, a 38-year-old attorney and mom of three. we remember them tonight. others are in the hospital, and the entire country is in one way or another wounded. the coverage of it all

continues. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, everyone. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. tonight, terror down under. we're going to go live to australia for the very latest on the deadly attack on a cafe right in the middle of sydney's financial district. was it lone wolf terror and could it happen here? plus, bill cosby. the bombshell the embattled comic's wife finally speaks out. but what she says may shock you. after her husband lectures black reporters about remaining neutral, camille cosby compares his scandal to accusations of gang rape at the university of virginia. and oprah winfrey. what she has to say about race and about the secrets revealed by the massive hack attack of one of the world's largest movie studios. we've got a whole lot to get to tonight. but i want to begin with our breaking news. you're looking live now at a memorial service at st. mary's cathedral. it's in sydney, australia. and it's for those killedn