but first, we want to get to the break news from pakistan. we go to cnn's atika schubert tracking the developments live from london. >> good morning this is an absolutely horrific attack. you heard the death toll numbers, now it appears we're getting information that most of those who died were between the ages of 12-16. and according to a spokesperson of the pakistan taliban, said they were specifically trying to target the older children who are of age puberty and above. it also appears that a number of, that some teachers were also killed in the attack. it's a very fluid ongoing situation. it appears that there are still a number of students and staff inside the school. there could be hostages inside. take a listen to more information about what's happening on the ground. breaking this morning, taliban militants terrorizing a school in northern pakistan. at least 100 people killed, mostly children. at least two teachers among the

deceased. this crisis unfolding at a military-run school in peshawar, with dozens of others injured. it was just before 12:00 p.m. when a group of gunmen stormed the school after scaling the walls. the pakistan taliban claiming responsibility. calling this a revenge attack after they say pakistan's military launched a major military against them. >> the military runs a number of schools, they call them the army public schools. clearly this was chosen because of its affiliation with the military and also because it was a soft target. there are children there. >> a taliban spokesman claiming six suicide bombers were ordered to attack the school, their goal to shoot older students. a security official says 700 students and staff were in the building when the attack began. the students are aged 10-18. pakistan military officials say

paramilitary forces are now on school grounds. confirming they exchanged gunfire with the terrorists. most of the students and staff have now been evacuated, but this is an ongoing hostage situation. >> parents were able to contact their kids through mobile phone. they were getting information, but now the phones have been switched off and there's absolutely no contact. >> over the past few months, the pakistan military has been trying to clear out militants along its border with afghanistan through a ground offensive. the campaign has displaced tens of thousands of people and killed over 1,600 militants. now alisyn, we have a few more details on the attack. it looks like some attackers may have been dressed in paramilitary uniforms, that's what allowed them to get inside the school. there's reports that there was some sort of event happening inside. a lot of students were gathered in one place when the attack happened. >> atika, thank you so much.

let's bring in cnn's chief international correspondent christian christiane amanpour who joins us live from london. what do we know? >> a lot of what's just been reported is coming through in a breaking news fashion and of course, we keep having to sadly update the number of deaths. and unfortunately this is a war going on in pakistan. it's a multiple pronged war between the taliban, the pakistani government, the united states of america, afghanistan and then you have internal divisions within pakistan of how to deal with the actual taliban. should there be peace negotiations with the pakistani prime minister tried? or should there be an offensive. the united states has wanted the pakistani military and the government to take the offensive to the pakistani taliban in these very remote areas. north waziristan, et cetera, so there has been this operation by the pakistan military and as you heard, the spokesman from the taliban said this horrendous attack today was in revenge for

this operation against them. whereby hundreds of taliban, pakistani taliban have been killed. and of course the united states also continues its drone attacks in that area. and just recently, handed over one of the major, in fact the deputy leader, the deputy in command of the taliban to the pakistani government. unfortunately, unfortunately the taliban uses its attacks against soft targets. so whenever you see these attacks, they're often against civilians or against children and very sadly. the attack of schools and schoolchildren is a taliban m.o. that is what they do. and we've been seeing it over the years. you know nothing is brutal as this in terms of the terrible numbers, but this is what they do. and it seems this war, this multi-pronged war is at a very, very fierce level right now. particularly as they all jockey for position as the u.s. starts to withdraw from that region.

>> christianne 126 people. how does slaughtering school children advance any group's agenda? >> well you can well ask that and we all ask that and we wonder how -- they don't care, alisyn. they do not care. they're not bound by any of the norms that the international law and humanity and normal human emotion would actually demand. they see it as a quid pro quo. and you saw their chilling attempt to differentiate between very young children and so-called you know children reaching puberty. they don't care and this is what they do. they think that these are allied with the so-called infidels, they are at war with the army. this is an army-run school in the peshawar area. peshawar, very verks important, the capital of that frontier, that borderland. where the u.s. moves its materiel and supplies into afghanistan along the khyber pass, and it is where the

taliban have been holed up. plus, in the days of osama bin laden fleeing from afghanistan. a lot of al qaeda was up there, too. so this is a war and they will attack whatever it is they want to attack. and alisyn, we've seen al qaeda and the taliban over the last since 2001, 9/11, all they do is attack sillian targets. >> and so, why this school in particular? is it the army connection? do we think that this was an actual target sending a message to the army? or was this an, a crime of opportunity? >> no, this is what they said. in a very chilling call, the taliban spokesman made to cnn, claiming responsibility, the pakistani taliban and saying this was in revenge for the military operations in north waziristan and in that area. and we really don't know the details of what's going on inside right now. how many schoolchildren, teachers, administrators are

still being held hostage. the pakistan military says that they're involved in a rescue operation. well so many people have already been killed. we don't know how many still are left in there. numbers suggest that the school had a 500-student capacity. and the taliban people say that there are three to 400 still there inside the school still being held hostage by a handful, half dozen or so militants. we know some have been killed. we know that the perhaps 100 or so children have been killed. we just don't know what is going on inside right now. it's an active situation that continues. >> so what is the pakistani army do after something like this? do they change their strategy and tactics? >> hard to tell. they have been all over the place since 9/11. you know, after 9/11 the president of pakistan was general pervez musharraf who was convinced bit u.s., the bush administration at the time to go against the militants, trying to convince pakistan's government

and its military and its intelligence service, the isi, that everyone is in the fight together and that the taliban and al qaeda are threats not just to the west, but also to pakistan itself. but there was very spotty record by pakistan of going against the taliban. and huge divisions between the civilian government and the military and the intelligence. and, and ominously and very unfortunately, very deep concerns that members of the military and the pakistan intelligence were in collusion with these militants as well. and it is a incredibly dysfunctional situation there. and this is part of what we're seeing play out right now. plus obviously the fact that the united states has stepped up its drone attacks all over the place in the last several years and that also plays into this, into this kind of peaks of incredible violence that we're seeing. plus as i said, this is as much revenge as also in afghanistan where we're seeing this

happening as well. with the afghan taliban, targets of opportunity against americans, against afghan national army. against afghan officials, are as the u.s. and nato pulls out of there as well. >> christianne, we always appreciate all of your context, thank you. >> there are developments coming in every minute. again, 126 people dead already. many of them children. it is an active battlefield inside a school. in a city in pakistan. we are getting reports that the military are making some progress going after the handful of taliban that are still in there. but it is not over. we also want to tell you this morning we have new information on the final chaotic moments of monday's deadly hostage crisis inside a downtown sydney cafe. a dozen captives, held against their will for more than 16 hours, when police rushed in.

we hear it was a move triggered by the sounds of gunfire inside. two hostages died as a result. we are now hearing the actions of those who lost their lives may have spared the lives of others. let's get to andrew stevens live from sydney. what do we know? >> chris, good morning to you. details are pretty sketchy at the moment. but it does appear that those final fateful few minutes inside that cafe did produce at least one hero who paid for that with his life. about bed of hundreds of flowers blanket martin place, the site of a deadly police standoff that claimed the lives of two hostages. each bouquet, a tribute to the bravery that occurred here. >> this has been an absolutely appalling and ugly incident. that's the only way to describe it. >> this morning, we're learning more about the harrowing story amidst this terrifying ordeal.

after a firestorm of gunshots rang out in the heart of downtown decideny, authorities still piecing together what set off the chap of events, forcing heavily armed police to storm the cafe freeing the hostages inside. >> they made the call because they believed at that time, if they didn't enter, there would have been many more lives lost. >> some have said 34-year-old tori johnson, the cafe's manager may have grabbed the hostage taker-gun. but authorities wouldn't comment on those accounts. shots were heard from the street during the struggle johnson was killed. 38-year-old katrina dawson, a lawyer and mother of three, also died. johnson's family said in a statement, we are so proud of our beautiful boy tori, gone from this earth but forever in our memories as an amazing life partner, son and brother we could ever wish for. for 17 hours hostages remained on edge, visible through the cafe's windows, forced to hold a

black flag with arabic writing. some held at gun-point, their mad dash to safety captured on local news, a full investigation into the mind and motives of the gunmen are self-proclaimed muslim cleric are under way. fearing a potential backlash, fellow australians are showing support to the muslim community online. under the #i'llridewithyou, australians showing solidarity as sydney works to return to normalcy. a lot of solidarity here, chris, in the flower memorial just a few minutes from where we are. to the people just talking about what's happened the events of the past 36 hours and questions being raised about the gunman. he was well known to enforcement in australia. he had a criminal record, in fact he was out on bail. but he was not considered a

terrorist suspect worthy enough to be monitored closely. he walked into a cafe with a shotgun, took 16 hostages, 17 hostages, two of which never made it out. chris? >> andrew, thank you very much for the reporting. part of moving forward will be understanding very well what happened and how it was handled. we will continue to find out more about who this man was. and were there opportunities that were missed? we're going to hear from christine forster, an elected official and the sister of australian prime minister tony abbott. let's get you to michaela for the headlines. we're watching a search under way for a man suspected of killing six family members in pennsylvania. authorities say 35-year-old bradley william stone killed his ex-wife, and five of his former in-laws, including a 14-year-old girl. police believe stone is armed and that he is dangerous. miguel marquez is live in

harleysville, pennsylvania, with more. >> we know this area just northwest of philadelphia is terrified because of this individual on the loose. there may have been a sighting of him last night in doylestown where they believe a man wearing bdus tried to y ed tied to hija. it was a failed attempt. a hang-up 911 call and authorities went on to discover three different scenes, absolutely grisly, not only his ex-wife, ex-mother-in-law, ex-grandmother-in-law, 14-year-old daughter dead and shot a 17-year-old son in the hospital. this is a man they have at least two pictures of this man, authorities have. they say he was a marine in 2008. he served in iraq, a marine reservist. he may use a cane and/or a walker at certain points. they don't know that he's using them now. they recovered his car and recovered his cell phone and

most importantly authorities say they don't know where he is right now. but they are looking. >> they're looking and asking local residents to remain vigilant. we'll check back when there's developments. turn to russia taking desperate measures to keep its economy from imploding. overnight russia's central bank held an emergency meeting to raise interest rates in an attempt to stop the ruble from plunging even further. russia's currency has plummeted 50% since january, battered by western sanctions and plunging worldwide oil prices. secretary of state john kerry is heading to london to meet with palestine's chief negotiator. cnn has learned that the palestinian leadership intends to submit a resolution for statehood to the u.n. after meeting with kerry. on monday, israeli prime minister benjamin netenyahu urged kerry to reject the resolution. bill cosby's wife said her

husband has been unfairly victimized by allegations of sexual assault and is really a kind man. she said a different man has been portrayed in the media over the last two months, it's a portrait of a man i don't know and it's a portrait painted by individuals and organizations whom many in the media have given a pass. clearly we're going to talk more about that coming up in the show. so we have breaking news out of pakistan this morning, taliban suicide bombers and gunmen storming a school, killing 126 at least. most students, hundreds more people are trapped inside, the latest on the attack straight ahead. we have new details out of sydney, australia. who was this gunman? did he have help? could we have done more to stop him before this horrible result? questions that demand answers. we'll get them from christine forster, an elected official and sister of australian prime minister tony abbott. so my buddy here is going to help me find it.

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we're looking now at part of the memorial for lives lost in australia. we have new information about the standoff that left two hostages and a gunman dead. did the hostages who were killed

save others? and could more have been done to stop this before it happened? joining us is counselor christine forster, on the city council of sydney, she's also the sister of australian prime minister tony abbott. miss forster, it's very good to have you with us. our condolences to you and the community there. it's been a terrible 36 hours, chris and the people of sydney, i think are very much coming to terms with this i've been down to have a look at the memorial site in martens place, there are hundreds of people milling around there. tens of people cueing up to lay flowers at the memorial site and people of this city are still in shock. >> it's a situation that's going to demand a lot of soul-searching about why it happened and how it happened and what it means going forward. so let's see what we can learn about these different aspects. in terms of how this happened, let's start with those who lost

their lives first. what do you know about the actions of hostages inside that may have helped others, but cost their own lives? >> i don't know anything more than the general public does at this point. it's still very early days. what we know in sydney and australia is the new south wales police and the federal police and the authorities did an absolutely fantastic job dealing with what was a dreadful situation. it's still very early days in finding out actually what went on inside the cafe. and there will be a very full and thorough investigation of what actually did happen. but perhaps like you guys are hearing on the other side of the world, i've also heard stories of heroism. i don't think what has gone on in the cafe has been confirmed yet. but i've heard that the cafe manager, tori johnson, tackled

the terrorist and in the process of that, lost his life. i don't know whether that is actually the case, but that is certainly something i've heard. but as i said, there will be a very thorough investigation, which may take weeks and months. but we hopefully will know at the end of the process, actually what did go on. but there's no do about it that every single one of the people held hostage in that place, a few meters from where i am today, right in the heart of this beautiful city, every single one of them are heroes. and australia absolutely, every australian, i think is feeling the pain and the grief of our hearts go out to them. for what they've been through and to the families of the innocent victims of this horrible event. i think every australian is feeling the pain now and just wish this had never happened. >> the world gets very small in

these situations because everybody fears the same thing. and the question becomes why. this man was somewhat familiar to local authorities. not necessarily as a potential terrorist, but someone with extreme views. what do you know now about what was considered the risk of this individual before this? >> we're certainly, we know now that this man was out on bail. that he had been charged with serious criminal offenses. that he was mentally unstable it seems. and i think you know, i feel like many other people, i feel a sense of outrage that this man was walking the streets and was able to perpetrate this horrible crime. on innocent victims and there are questions being asked. and our leaders, our premier mike beard, has said there will

be a review of bail conditions to find out how this has occurred. and everything about this horrible incident has to come under the microscope and it will in a very thorough and very urgent way. because what we in australia, we in sydney don't want ever happening again is another incident like this. >> it's very difficult to stop, isn't it? this lone wolf phenomenon. mental health, instability. these all create a randomness that demands that our leaders start looking at these situations differently. that means in your situation, all the way up to your brother, who is the prime minister. now he said tragically, there are people in our community ready to engage in politically motivated violence, the events in martin place show we're ready to deal with these people professionally and with the full force of law. but unfortunately this happened after the fact, dealing with it. what do you need to change there, to maybe make something like this less likely going forward? should men like this be on a

watch list? >> well, i think obviously they should be. i think from what i know, the federal government is doing, is taking every step, every precaution it can to insure that people, that pose a thread tl threat are being watched. are being held in check and are being dealt with with the full force of the law. they are doing that the prime minister has given his assurance to the australian people that he will do everything he can to keep us safe. i suppose what has happened trance spired over the last couple of days, in as much as it's been a dreadful eye-opener for the people of australia and certainly the people of sydney, i guess it will make us all more vigilant. and more aware that possibly these terrible things can happen. i think you know, australians and sydney-siders have had a certain innocence that this couldn't happen here and that's why i think we're still largely

in shock. trying to come to terms with this. but i do know that it will make us as, as sydney-siders more aware that we have to be vigilant, we have to be on the lookout. we know now that something dreadful like this can happen in our beautiful city, our free beautiful multicultural welcoming city where nothing like this has ever happened before. now it has. people will go back to their business, back to their order. >> narrator: ordinary lives to. >> it changes the idea of what normal is in daily life and our thoughts and prayer goes to the people in sydney. we hope that you're able to find a way forward as quickly as possible. ms. forster, thank you very much for joining us. good luck to you there. >> thank you, chris. alisyn, you can't change the fact that it happened. you can change policy, you can change law but something like

that will have a mark on that community. >> of course and everyone looks for a way forward with whatever can be learned. breaking news out of pakistan, taliban fighters attacking a military-run school, at least 126 are dead, most of those students. hundreds more possibly trapped inside we have the very latest. narrator: that got torture tested by teenagers and cried out for help. from the surprised designers. who came to the rescue with a brilliant fix male designer: i love it narrator: which created thousands of new customers for the tennis shoes that got torture tested by teenagers. the internet of everything is changing manufacturing. is your network ready?

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right now we're told 126 people have been killed at a pakistani military school in peshawar. at the hands of armed gunmen of the taliban. there is still a standoff under way. we do hear that the military is making some headway. that some of the bad people have been taken out as we're being told, but it is still far from over. let's turn to atika shubert tracking developments live from london. what do we understand? >> definitely far from over. the spokesperson for the pakistan military has put out a statement saying they've killed

five of the attackers, managed to rescue two students and two staff members. but that they are still trying to get other attackers there. they have them surrounded. and confined to the last four blocks of the school. and the exact wording he used was quote, clearance under way so this is very much still a fluid situation. in the meantime, there are two main hospitals that many of the victims are being brought to we've just getting some video that's been coming in now of parents just absolutely distraught. many of those bodies draped with white cloths. and just to give you a sense of the carnage, most of those who died were children. between the ages of 12-16. many of these were children of army families in the area that went to the school, this is why this military-run school in particular seems to have been targeted by the pakistan taliban. >> atika, thanks for the update. let's bring in bobby ghosh,

managing editor of "quartz" nice to see you on this horrible morning with the news out of pakistan. why is the taliban slaughtering children? how does that advance whatever they claim their cause is? >> well this is what they do -- they've been, this is a big school and we're paying attention to it. over several years they've destroyed hundreds, possibly thousands of schools all over that part of pakistan. so there are two different things here, they're anti-modern education and they're anti-the pakistani military and they're anti-pretty much everybody in the civilized world. you could ask why is this, i mean this is obviously a big pr coup for them. how is killing innocent children good for a cause? but this is what they thrive on. they thrive on showing themselves to be so tough that they will do anything. you come after us, we come after your kids, there's that sort of gangster element to this. they don't care, you had

christianne saying this earlier, they don't care about modern morals about what is acceptable and what is not, they don't care that these are children. they're trying to send two different messages, to the pakistani army, they're trying to intimidate and to their own supporters, they're showing look how tough we are, we stop at nothing. >> there's a another layer to the problem in pakistan that's different from what we've seen in the u.s. you have the enemy outside, taliban and you have the enemy inside. we can't hide from the reality that within the pakistani government and military, you do have crossover and sympathies with the taliban. which makes it harder for policing situations like this. >> for years some elements of the pakistani army and the pakistani spy agency, the isi, have been collaborating with groups that eventually became the pakistani taliban. these are important -- this is the pakistani taliban. this is not the afghan taliban. these are people who are killing fellow pakistanis, they're

killing children, fellow nationals it shows you how far from modern reality these people are. they don't respect borders, they don't respect anything that the rest of the world would consider basic human decency. >> they claim, the pakistani taliban has taken responsibility for this and they claim this is revenge for the killing of hundreds of innocent tribesmen during the pakistani army's operations, along the border region. is it worth it trying to negotiate with the taliban, to give them what they want in order for them to stop doing this had. >> well it's been tried several times. one of pakistani most popular politicians, imran khan is now called taliban kahn, because he's worked so much to try to bring these guys in from the cold, bring them to the negotiating table but their demands are impossible. what they want is a return to the sixth century. you can't, nobody can negotiate that with them.

they want no schools, they want girls not to get any opportunities. for education or anything else for that matter. they want a return to this, their idea of eden is this very primitive place where no pakistani wants to go there. when, they are only able to force people to do these things out of fear. >> well it depends on which pakistanis you're talking about, too, right? the culture there as i understand it, bobby -- and a lot of it comes from you -- there was a real bourgeois class that was very westernized, modernized and you have much more rural and set-back ways that are there and one of the fair criticisms is they've given too much to the taliban already, pervez musharraf wouldn't come clean. how do you deal with that in

assessing what they care about? >> that's one of the things that the pakistani military has, this is the frankenstein's monday monster come back to haunt pakistan. keep in mind, peshawar is the crucible of modern islamist jihadi militancy. this is where the c.i.a. and the pakistani military collaborated to create the jihadi groups that attacked the soviet union when, during the occupation of afghanistan. this is where the afghan taliban essentially was born. this is a city that is very familiar with this kind of unfortunately, with this kind of activity. a year ago, two suicide bombers attacked a church in peshawar, if you remember, 130 people nearly were killed. attacks in peshawar happen all the time. perhaps not to this scale. but it has become part of the culture of the city. we can talk separately about the culture of pakistan, but peshawar itself is quite unique. it's on this border between

afghanistan and pakistan. it has been a sort of, it's lard to say this about a city of 3.5 million people, but it's kind of like the badlands, it's sort of a little bit like the wild west in popular american imagination. there are different kinds of gangs operating there. different jihadi groups operating there. law only extends so far. and there's too much collaboration between what you would regard as the forces of the law and the forces of evil. if you like. that it's impossible to tell who who is working for who at any given time. >> bobby ghosh, it sounds all so intractable, but it's helpful to get all of your information, thank you so much for being here. we've had a lottor horrific news to report in the past couple of days, the deadly hostage siege in sydney, australia, and the taliban attack on this school. prompting concerns about terrorism worldwide and in the u.s. cities in new york are on high alert. we'll speak with a top official in the nypd about what they're doing to prepare.

we have so-called lone wolf and new types of terror attacks. on monday, the new york police department went on high alert. beefing up security at key locations around the city, including the australian consulate. some people are wondering what can you do in situations like? can you really be safe enough? we have someone who can answer the questions, nypd deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism, mr. john miller, welcome to new day. you look at pakistan, attacking a school, kids, you think that everything has some line of decency, even more, it turns out not to be true. can you be safe from something like that? >> you don't have to look at pakistan, we had something that was called newtown here. this is not something that happens in the primitive world. this is something we factor into a crazy new normal in a society where people, believe that

empowerment comes with violence. >> so what do you do where it's, the taliban is an organized group set aims, you know you are at war with them. then you talk about new town, you have one person, obviously mentally unstable, untreated, can you prepare for those two threats the same way? >> i think you can prepare for the end game the same way. a school attack is a school attack. and in this case, in the united states it was one individual in columbine, it was two. in pakistan it was a group of trained taliban fighters likely. but it's you know the world is a dangerous place. >> sydney, they knew about this guy, he had a big rap sheet. he was sending horrible letters to the families of australian military and obviously was engaging in extremism. their laws are somewhat similar to ours. what can you do with a guy like that to keep him close? >> this is one of the difficulties in a free,

democratic society if you look at sydney, you can also look at canada from october 20, 22, 24, martin rouleaux, who ran over the canadian soldiers with his vehicle on behalf of isis was on canadian authorities' radar screen. they had tried to syria and fight. you have to realize that the message from isis is that the willing are part of isis. the message they pump out on very sophisticated marketing videos is that you should act, come here and fight with us, if you can't come here and fight with us, fight for us where you are. and don't reinvent the wheel. use what you have at hand. that's what we saw in canada, that's what we saw in sydney. >> you've been on both sides of this idea of punishing thought, right? the media at the top of the game for a very long time. now you're working on the government side.

do you think that you need to change the rules of what you're allowed to do to people based on what they're thinkingnd what they're saying? >> i don't know about changing the rules. i don't i know we have to rethink some of this. i mean when you look at a number of cases where individuals were trying to travel to syria and they were prevented from that. now that's good intelligence. this guy is going to go fight for a terrorist group, we don't know who he's going to be when he comes back here or what his training is so let's nip that in the bud. >> that's an action. what do you do with the person who is saying man, woman, child, i want to. if i could, i would. what do do you with them? >> if you have somebody saying i want to commit an act of violence, there are some things you can do. the real problem is, and this is, it's complicated to live in a free society in a democratic society where there's a first amendment and free thought. which is radicalism in terms of thought. is as legal as anything else. as american as apple pie. it's turning that into violent

action, that makes it a crime. and people who operate in the seams between that, we can look at closely. but there's not a lot we can do until you see those first steps to take action. >> so it becomes about how quickly you can act. now on a question that is not terrorism related. but is in terms of how you divide between thought and action. these garner protests haven't stopped. they were expected to peter out by many in government. they haven't. what do you do? as a police force to address this culture issue that people are pointing out? how do you deal with it, because ignoring it is part of the problem. >> well if you look at the new york city police department, and you go back 20 years, you look at the number of shots fired by police officers, it's been going down dramatically. the number of uses of force by police officers have been going down dramatically. the number of civilian complaints against police officers have been going down and went down another 7%, so there's a bit of reality. but there's also perception.

when you have this widespread perception driven by the despairty between thoughts in the minority communities in new york, which are now the majority communities, new york is now a majority-minority city. where you have those divides. you have to address it directly. and that means better community relations, more outreach to the community. better training for the police officers, because the simple fact of the matter is, if that is how people perceive their police if that's how they feel, you only way you can do that is through engagement. right now the crime picture is pretty good. we're about to have the lowest crime year in recorded history. but when you have a schism between parts of your communities and your police, it's something you have to work on. >> it's very important for us to know how the people in charge of keeping us safe are thinking and that's why i appreciate you coming on the show. >> well thanks for having me. >> best to you and the family for the holidays. back to our breaking news, but first, bill could bees wife

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>> and maybe perhaps herself. >> and herself as well. that's a great point. i don't think that resonates with the vast majority of people that keep hearing about these allegations every day. >> i want to read a little bit of it here. a different man has been portrayed in the media over the last two months, it is the portrait of a man i do not know. it is also a portrait painted by individuals and organizations whom many in the media have given a pass. it's interesting, mo, definitely standing by her man. definitely taking some shots at the media pretty easy target. >> no, absolutely. and listen, she's been married to bill cosby for over 50 years, one thing i think about that, the statement this is not the man i know, is a little bit disingenuous, because she does know that in 2006 he settled a sexual assault case with a woman. and that there were other women in that case testified they, too, had been the victim so back in 2006, it never got the media attention that it's getting now. but camille was certainly aware

that these things were going on and it was able to sort of be buried in a way that it hasn't been able to be this time. she certainly knows this is not the first rodeo for bill cosby being accused of sexual assault. >> she also goes on to say there appears to be no vetting of my husband's accusers before stories are published or aired and accusations are published and immediately goes viral. we here at cnn take great exception to them saying that. because we carefully vetted each of the women that came on our air. >> that's the part i thought was most disingenuous to be perfectly honest with you. there's been a lot of vetting going on here and if anything these alleged victims have gone through a lot. maybe gone through hell in the media. there's been a lot of vetting. there have been attacks from cosby's lawyers, in some cases pointing out legitimate points. in other cases just smearing the victims here. >> mo, i think this is one that seems like such a left turn. i want to read this statement. she compares what is going on with her husband, essentially to the rape allegations surrounding the university of virginia let me read it to you. the story was heart-breaking but

ultimately appears to be proved to be untrue. many in the media were quick to link that story, to stories about my husband until that story unwound. what do you make of that bizarre comparesen? >> that it's bizarre. michaela. i don't know where that comparison came to be and i was actually a little bit disappointed in that language, whether it's camille's language or crafted for her to say. i went to spelman college during a time that camille and bill cosby gave the huge gift i've seen her speak at spelman. 1,000 times. >> what's your sense of her? >> you know ways just -- i understand why she is standing by her husband. this is a woman who stood by her husband always. she's been a mother, she's been a caretaker and she's been out of the spotlight for much of that time. so she's a very dignified woman and i think that this whole episode is sort of putting a tarnish on what kind of woman stands by a man that has done this? so i know it's been difficult for her. but i don't think making sort of those sweeping comparisons to

something that's not at all comparable to what bill cosby is going through, takes away a little bit of sort of the credibility that i've had of her, as a woman that just you know, is also in the forefront of women's issues and things that women stand for. which is the way i've always seen her portray herself. whether at spelman or just in her life. >> brian quick, final thought? >> what a hard time for her. you know, there are parts of the statement that i thought were disingenuous. when i saw who is the victim? i thought that came off wrong. at the same time hearing you talk, mo, what a terrible time for this family and this family is trying to stay together. >> absolutely. >> mo ivory, brian stelter, great to have you. we have a lot of breaking news today, let's get to it. a deadly attack on a school in pakistan. >> six militants with suicide vests. >> the taliban gunmen entered the school after scaling its walls. >> we have heard explosions

coming from the school. >> children are said to be still inside the school. >> the death toll is continuing to rise. >> the siege is over. >> sydney remains on high alert. >> this is just the kind of guy that isis wants. >> things like this don't happen in sydney. >> we are ready to deal with these people. >> just because we don't believe in the bad guys doesn't mean the bad guys aren't trying to kill us. welcome back to "new day," it is tuesday, december 16th, it's 7:00 a.m. in the east. i'm alisyn camerota alongside chris cuomo. following breaking news, there's been another terror strike this time at a school in pakistan. armed taliban gunmen and suicide bombers storming the school with hundreds of children caught in the crossfire. at this moment, the death toll is 126. most of them students, but that number we're warned could climb higher. >> and remember, it is an active situation. there's no question that kids have been killed, so we'll give

you information as we get it. you're looking at one situation that has thankfully ended. the hostages down in sydney. it did turn into a deadly siege. the question is who was this man, could he have been stopped before? could more lives been saved during this situation? first, though, let's focus on pakistan. there is new information, so let's get to cnn's atika schubert. tracking developments from london. >> we have information from pakistani military spokesperson says five of the attackers have been killed. and additional two students and two staff have been rescued and they now have most of the attackers i understand surrounded in four blocks. four buildings of the school. and the quote from him is clearance under way. now, here's a look at how the day's events unfolded so far. keep in mind that the ages of many of the victims here are between 12-16, just children. breaking this morning, taliban militants terrorizing a school in northern pakistan.

at least 100 people killed, mostly children. at least two teachers among the deceased. this crisis unfolding at a military-run school in peshawar, with dozens of others injured. it was just before 12:00 p.m. when a group of gunmen stormed the school after scaling the walls. the pakistan taliban claiming responsibility. calling this a revenge attack after they say pakistan's military launched a major military offensive against them. >> the military run as number of schools they call them the army public schools. clearly, this one chosen because of its affiliation with the military. and also because it was a soft target. there are children there. >> a taliban spokesman claiming six suicide bombers were ordered to attack the school. their goal -- to shoot older students. a security official says nearly 700 students and staff were in the building when the attack began.

the students are aged 10-18. pakistan military officials say paramilitary forces are now on school grounds. confirming they exchanged gunfire with the terrorists. most of the students and staff have now been evacuated. but this is an ongoing hostage situation. >> parents were able to contact their kids. by phone, they were getting information, but now the phones have been switched off and there's absolutely no contact. >> over the past few months, the pakistan military has been trying to clear out militants along its border with afghanistan. through a ground offensive. the campaign has displaced tens of thousands of people, and killed over 1,600 militants. >> right now the situation is being reflected in the pictures you're seeing, those are victims of the ongoing firefight inside a school. it goes from grade one to grade ten and that's why you're seeing some older-looking children in the blazers, we know that at least 100 children have been delivered to the hospital. the numbers are going to change,

the situation is ongoing and we'll tell you what we know as we know it. let's get perspective right now. our senior international correspondent christiane amanpour with us right now. let's explain to people that as shocking as this is, it is not unheard of in this part of the world, specifically pakistan, as the state of play between the taliban and the pakistani government, right? >> absolutely. in fact, the taliban in afghanistan and in pakistan, made their name originally, you know more than a decade ago, killing children in school. trying to prevent children from going to school. particularly girls. and this happens, just a few days, a week after malala yousafzai, perhaps the most famous pakistani, most famous school girl in the world, who was shot by the taliban a few years ago, and has just received the nobel peace prize for her efforts to get all kids, especially girls, education. now, that is combined with the fact that the taliban spokespeople tell cnn that this

was specifically in revenge against the pakistani military. which is for the last several months, been conducting an offensive against the taliban in that very area. and this school was a school specifically for the children of military personnel in that area. so it is a multiple-pronged tragedy that the youngest and the most innocent are caught up and the actual targets of this brutal war, this existential war that's been fought in pakistan for the last decade, plus, between the government and these taliban terrorists. >> and there's, there's a troubling crossover there that we have to discuss as well. let's bring in the international security director of asia-pacific foundation and cnn chief. we have christianne. but sinjin, let me ask you this, the idea of the government of pakistan being compromised in its fight against the taliban because of crossovers in clan identification. because of crossovers in

sympathies, how does that compromise the situation? >> it makes it very complicated. because as you mentioned, there are those crossovers, now sharif is the democratically-elected prime minister of pakistan. he's tried to have a dialogue and negotiate with the pakistan taliban. ultimately it's failed. and then he has the problem of pakistani military, who have their own agenda, their own foreign policy dynamics and they have been undermining his own rule. we've seen in the last few months there have been a lot of protests in pakistan, the suspicions has always been that those were orchestrated and sponsored by the military to cause difficulty for him. that weakens pakistan and it weakens their ability to govern and it only makes the situation worse, especially with groups like the taliban exploiting that security vacuum. >> let's keep the suggestions to a minimum. because we have to give the benefit of the doubt to the pakistani military. but if you know that the taliban, and often they do know when vengeance is on their mind and even specifically where it's

directed. do you think this is a situation where they just missed the risk of this school of military families in this hotbed area of jihadi activity? >> no, i doubt it. you know they know very well what's the target and what su know, vulnerable. and it's not unusual to have these military compounds and their schools attached and presumably they know that you know the hotter the situation gets, the more likely there are to be these soft targets. obviously the taliban have been pursued by the military and there are all sorts of complaints about how the military actually does that often with long-range mortar and heavy artillery fire that tends to not just kill the targets, but destroy as huge sector of the area and this is all in that very hard-to-get-to frontier territory between pakistan and afghanistan. so yes, there was security there. it was a military installation. but what we're told is that these handful of taliban, we're told suicide bombers scaled the wall and just you know, rushed

in to various different blocks as the military there is calling them. which are different buildings. and cynically and coldly decided to separate slightly older children from younger children. as if that was going to make any difference or justify who actually was being killed and who wasn't. but there is a very, very troubling dynamic. and your guest has touched on that. you know there's very difficult war within pakistan as well. between the civilian government, between governments in the past, the military and the intelligence service. and also a troubling relationship between all that and the united states. one of the top military commanders was in the u.s. not long ago. and you know, they have to really account for why, why there's so much suspicion and resistance, by the armed forces in the intelligence to fighting these militants. >> so sajan let me end on this, we hear about hostages being taken. but the taliban is not known for conducting, you know,

negotiations in a situation like this. do you think that the focus has to be on taking out the men who are the insurgents here, because there will be no negotiated conclusion to this situation? >> whatever the process that the military tries to conduct, it's unfortunately not going to end well. the death toll will increase, and we've seen this in previous school sieges. you may remember the beslan school siege in southern russia ten years ago when the russians tried to storm it and it ended very bloody. and the same situation will happen here i fear. it's going to be the issue the pakistani military has to understand if you want to dismantle the infrastructure of the pakistan taliban, it also has to dismantsle the structure of the afghanistan taliban. the two of them have the connection, the pashtun connection. the paradox that's never been addressed by the pakistani military, has created the security problems in pakistan and seep over into afghanistan. >> and you cannot dismiss

something that's fundamentally different from other major parts of the coalition against terror -- you do have division within the pakistani government and military that makes this even more difficult. sajan gohel thank you very much and christiane amanpour, appreciate the perspective. sydney australia is in mourning today after a hostage-taking at cafe in a tourist hub. two innocent people killed. flowers piling up at the site of the deadly incident as we learn more about the final moments before police rushed in. let's go to andrew stevens live in sydney. andrew, what do we know? >> good morning, alisyn. it was the very heart of sydney that was under siege. the gunman chose an area which the banks, the financial heart is right there. and there were two deaths as we now know. and we're starting to get a picture of what happened in those fateful final moments. take a look. a bed of hundreds of hundreds of

flowers blanket martin place, the site of a deadly police standoff that claimed the lives of two hostages. each bouquet, a tribute to the bravery that occurred here. >> this has been an absolutely appalling and ugly incident. that's the only way to describe it. >> this morning we're learning more about the a harrowing story amidst this terrifying ordeal. after a firestorm of gunshots rang out in the heart of downtown sydney, authorities still piecing together what set off the chain of events, forcing heavily-armed police to storm the cafe freeing the hostages inside. >> they made the call because they believed at that time, if they didn't enter, there would have been many more lives lost. >> some have said 34-year-old tori johnson, the cafe's manager, may have grabbed the hostage-taker's gun. but authorities wouldn't comment on those accounts. shots were heard from the street, during the struggle, johnson was killed. 38-year-old katrina dawson, a

lawyer and mother of three, also died. johnson's family said in statement, we are so proud of our beautiful boy tori. gone from this earth, but forever in our memories as the most amazing life partner, son and brother we could ever wish for. for nearly 17 hours, before the crisis ended, hostages remained on edge. visible through the cafe's windows, forced to hold a black flag with arabic writing. some held at gun-point, managing to escape. their mad dash to safety captured on local news. a full investigation into the mind and motives of the gunman, a self-proclaimed muslim cleric, is under way. fearing a potential backlash, fellow australians are showing support to the muslim community online. under the hashtag i'll ride with you. sydney works to return to

normalcy. the people of sydney, alisyn also showing solidarity amongst themselves. to themselves. that's, that memorial of flowers just continues to grow. it's past 11:00 in the evening, usually a pretty quiet time of the day here in sydney. this time of the week. but there are still many, many people making that trek down there to lay flowers to remember what happened here and to show their solidarity with the fellow sydney-siders, they haven't seen anything like this in two generations, it's really a traumatic experience for this city. >> andrew stevens, thank you so much for that. ahead on "new day," we will be joined by former australian prime minister kevin rudd. in the meantime, there are other headlines, let's get over to michaela. more fallout from the massive cyberattack at sony pictures, hackers are warning there will be further leaks because the company has not met their demands. those demands reportedly include not releasing the studio's upcoming movie "the interview" a cometdy about a plot to kim kiel

north korea's leader kim jong-un. the movie is set to open christmas day. a manhunt continues in pennsylvania for a man suspected of killing six of his estranged family members, authorities say 35-year-old bradley william stone fatly shot his ex-wife and five former in laws including a 14-year-old girl. stone, a former marine reservist allegedly gunned down these family members at three separate locations, police believe stone is armed and dangerous. some disturbing dash cam video to show you, a police officer pulling over and taking down a 76-year-old man in victoria, texas, fatazing him twice because of an expired inspection sticker. officer nathaniel robinson is now on administrative leave while the man he put under arrest, was seated in his cruiser, could be heard telling the officer that the dealer tags on his car make it exempt from

inspection. the car indeed was exempt. dr. murphy will be the next surgeon general the of united states. senators voted to confirm the 37-year-old harvard professor monday. his nomination had been in limbo for more than a year and a half because of concerns about his experience and opposition from the gun lobby. murthy is the youngest-ever top doctor in america and he is also the first surgeon general of indian-american descent. so there you go. >> another first. >> another first. we have been following two ongoing situations. one that was in pakistan and of course the aftermath of what happened in sydney. there we're learning new details about the man on your screen right now. the gunman who took lives inside that cafe in sydney. what was his connection to extremist thought? what was known about him by authorities? what more could they have done? plus new questions about witness testimony in the shooting death of michael brown. did inconsistencies in the witness accounts convince the

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tell us what was going on through your mind as you watched this siege. >> well, collective horror, i think, really 23 million people in australia, but at any one time, a million of us are offshore. when we looked down the television screen and see this unfolding on our own shores, rather than other countries in the world where these things tend to happen more, we are stunned and we are shocked. and the reason is, australia is a very open, welcoming, sydney is a cosmopolitan. multicultural city. we have absorbed one generation of immigrants after another, peacefully. and having said that, this appears on all reports to have been the act of a lone wolf. nonetheless, horrific in its consequences and you've seen the outpouring of grief from the australian people on your television screens here this morning. >> americans learned yesterday just how strict australia's gun laws are. australia many years ago banned automatic weapons, semiautomatic weapons, shotguns.

obviously we have a debate all the time in this country about whether stricter gun laws here would prevent mass shootings. the argument against that here, is that then only the criminals would have guns. what, how do you explain what happened yesterday, even though you had all the gun laws in australia? >> well i think the, i pay tribute to my predecessors, prime minister mr. howard, who outlawed semiautomatic weapons in australia altogether after a horrific mass killing back in 1996. this was the right thing to do. all australians on all sides of politics, including those who represent gun ownership clubs in australia, support this action. in our country we can see no justification whatsoever for any individual owning a semiautomatic weapon. in this case, i do not know yet what the final conclusions are on the investigation about the weapon held by this individual.

he'll life loo i'll leave that to the investigators. i believe we've been relatively free from mass killings in australia, last nearly 20 years, in part because of the strict laws that are in place. it's important not to draw the wrong conclusions from this incident. we should look at the span of the last 20 years, where through good police, intelligence work, from our security agencies and in partnership with our friends around the world, including here in the united states, we've been able to manage a relatively peaceful environment. >> the gunman was well known to authorities. he had a violent past. he was an accessory to a murder in the death of his wife. he was charged with sexually assaulting a young woman who had visited him for quote spiritual consultation. he had written offensive letters to the families of deceased australian soldiers. so was yesterday to your mind, a crisis of islamic extremism? because he had pledged allegiance to the leader of isis? or was this just a violent

psychopath? >> well let's see what the investigation unfolds, i would note from the entire half million strong muslim community in australia, is universal revulsion at the actions of this individual. yesterday in australia we had while the siege was under way, we had joint prayer services in mosques involving our jewish leaders, catholic leaders, christian leaders, as well as of course muslim leaders. the grand mufti of australia came out yesterday while this was on and condemning these actions. so we do not see this as representative of a particular force within our own country. having said that, together with security and intelligence agencies around the world, we must all remain vigilant. because there are a group, a marginal group out there of the fringes, of our society, who seek to do us damage. and we need to be very careful and considered and i believe

positive in our support for what the security intelligence services around the world, including the u.s. do each day to prevent these sort of things from happening. and we rarely see that reported on, let alone commended. >> given this gunman's violent past, should australian authorities been monitoring him more closely? >> well what i know from my own period as prime minister is that the australian security and intelligence organization takes its mandate exceptionally seriously. we are at any given time, engaged fully in partnership with organizations around the world. in the monitoring of individuals who exhibit tendencies towards this sort of violence. but like the united states, we're a country of laws, as a consequence, this person has been through legal processes in australia. i'm not in a position to comment on how the courts have effect i have beenly dealt with this matter in the past. but i would, however, commend our security intelligence agencies for the work they have

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welcome back to "new day," we're following breaking news. a taliban terror attack targets a school in pakistan killing at least 126 people. most of them children, 12-16 years old. most of the other students and staff at the school have now been evacuated, we're told. let's turn to atika shubert tracking developments live from london. what do we know at this hour? >> that's right. well the latest we have from pakistan's military spokesperson is that two more children, two more teachers have been rescued and the sixth terrorist has been killed. that may mean that all the attackers have been killed. but we can't be absolutely sure until that's confirmed by the pakistani military and they've gone through all of the buildings in the school. now, another thing he said was that in the last block of the school, it appears that ieds have been planted, hampering the speed of clearance of the buildings. so that's the latest we have from the scene. in the meantime, at hospitals, there are two main hospitals

where victims are being brought, parents are desperately searching for their children to find out if they've been among those killed. as you mentioned, most of those killed have been children between the ages of 12-16. >> all right. atika, thank you for the reporting. let's get more on the unfolding cries nis pakistan. we have harris rafiq, managing editor of a counterterrorism think tank. harris thank you for joining us this morning. it looks from the outside like the pakistani military/intelligence community was just caught offguard by this taliban attack. s is that a fair assessment? >> i don't don't think they were caught offguard. i don't think they expected something to be this big in peshawar, in the region where it was. but you have to realize something. that's groups such as isil in syria and iraq have empowered other groups like the taliban and the groups that support al

qaeda to actually be part of the action, they feel a little bit left out and they feel this is their time. >> well we've been hearing that i want to get perspective on what that means. do you think that the taliban in pakistan or afghanistan are trying to have concerted action with ice snis or do you think it is a competitive instinct that hey, isis isn't the baddest people in the world, we're the baddest people in the world. as horrible as that sounds, could that what's going on? >> it's definitely competitive. they, they don't in ball gami as their leader. they see isil as a direct competitor for the global jihadi forum if you like. these guys want their piece of the cake, they want the piece of the pie. they want to have their own language. they can call the islamic state and these guys want to carry out these actions in pakistan. >> one more step sideways before we get to the urgency of what's going on at the school right now. why don't the pakistani taliban attack isis, then, if they want

to be the main group and they don't accept the leader and it's all about you know, perverse religious ideology? >> it's not about attacking isis. for them, isil don't have a presence in pakistan. they want the country. they want to take over the military and the governance of the country. isil don't exist in the numbers in pakistan as it does in the middle east. therefore, they're not the, they're not the direct threat for them. they're not the direct enemy. the direct enemy for them is the pakistani governments and the pakistani military. so that they can take over or try to take over the country. >> haras, when you have a dozen guys, which is what we believe the contingent of enemies are right now attacking the school. if that is what's going on, it's a dozen guys, one of two things has to be true -- one, you weren't ready or two, you're not focused enough on the threat. and the distinction would be the dedication to the threat. is that a legitimate criticism? that pakistan is not set up to combat the taliban like it

should be? >> i would agree with that. i think pakistan recently the military did have an offensive against the taliban. but the problem is, that you, you can't win this battle just by military use alone. you have to tackle the ideology. you have to counter the narratives and beliefs. pakistan as a country has not done that and they won't win the battle until they start doing that. >> how do you think this ends? right now it's active gunfire going on inside. there's suicide bombers involved. we know there are military and paramilitary there. there's been the suggestion of hostages. it is rare for the taliban to want to negotiate, right? they see the ends often as just as much death as possible, isn't that the sad reality? >> you're right. the sad reality is that these guys don't really have something that they want to negotiate. with directly or in terms of their objectives. what they want to do is to cause as much terror to kill as many

people, to cause as much pain to pakistan, the state and the region itself. in order to, to make them a feared entity. and you know, the sad reality is there's nowhere to go. for the military and the authorities in pakistan other than try to take these guys out. if there are any remaining suicide bombers, take them out before they cause any more damage and hurt and kill more people. >> it is just a horrible reminder that you're dealing with an enemy that believes a path to god involves killing children. haras rafiq thank you very much for being with us today. switching gears, why was there indictment in ferguson following the shooting death of michael brown? by a police officer? well the credibility of several witnesses that the grand jury heard from is now in question this morning. did this all play a part in the grand jury's decision not to indict darren wilson? we will look at the inconsistencies.

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the ferguson grand jury in the shooting death of michael brown spent countless hours listening to witnesses, many of whom had conflicting memories and contradictory accounts, a review of thousands of pages of grand jury documents shows dubious testimony came from witnesses on both sides. now some asking if it was those inconsistencies that convinced the grand jury not to indict officer darren wilson. joining us for more is joey jackson, hln legal analyst and criminal defense attorney along with liz brown, defense attorney and columnist for the "st. louis american." let's look at some of the examples of the inconsistencies in the testimonies of witnesses. witness number 40 proved problematic. she did a whole bunch of things that should have raised the eyebrows of the grand jury. she said she went out the exit

of a parking lot, where no exit exists. she had a timeline that was all wrong. she basically admitted that she was trying to exonerate officer wilson. here is what she said in the testimony. they asked her, the investigator, basically, you are doing what you can to kind of help darren wilson with all of these efforts, is that fair? she says, she admits, i think a lot of the it was redacted, is kind of selfish. it was more for myself. being i do support law enforcement and i felt bad. i don't know if that helps him or not. now joey -- >> yikes. >> when a grand jury hears that, do they dismiss her out of hand or do they listen to her testimony? >> here's how it works, good morning alisyn and liz, the bottom line if you continue to recite the discrepancies in this witness's testimony, we'd be here all morning. this is what happens, even prior to your question, this is where a prosecutor and i get and i understand i disagree with, the fact that this prosecutor wanted to present everything before

this grand jury. but there's some obligation on the part of a prosecutor, and as a former prosecutor myself i could say that, to vet your witnesses, when you talk about a witness who is going to appear before a body, you want to examine what they say. >> beforehand. >> absolutely. now the incident itself happens on august 9th, right? she goes to the police thereafter on september 11th. which in and of itself raises red flags, but sometimes people don't come forward right away. to the extent that you don't certainly now, you want to have your dander up as to whether the witness saw what they saw. she comes before them at that time telling them some story on september 11th. and prior to that, had posted rants on her facebook page which were very disparaging to the african-american community. >> they were bad. they are such racist garbage that we're not even going to read that here. >> do you not then as a prosecutor, alisyn, have an obligation to evaluate who you're dealing with? let's go a step further. after that she meets with the fbi on october 22nd.

mentions nothing about a journal that she kept to kpr contemporaneously record what she was talking b. but she relates she has a journal she'll bring it with her next time. we find out she wasn't even there. she's 30 miles from the particular occurrence, we know she has a history of some type of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder and a criminal felony record. these are things as a prosecutor you want to examine because you have an obligation, even though you want to share with the grand jury, you want to insure the information you share is at least credible. to the extent that wasn't done is very troubling. >> liz, why was she allowed to even testify in front of the grand jury? >> that's the question, isn't it? why was she allowed to testify? i would go a step further than what joey said. as a prosecutor attorney you're also an attorney, you have ethical obligations to bring witnesses in front of a jury that you know are going to, that you know are truthful.

and you vet them and you determine whether or not they're truthful. and in particular, with a grand jury, where there's no cross-examination, you have a double duty to make certain that a witness is credible. and when a witness has expressed the racist comments that this person, that this witness did, what racism is, not a noun, it's a verb. people act on racism. so if you are a racist person, that means you are willing to lie about a person based on the color of their skin. knowing that as a prosecutor, why would you bring them in? and the only conclusion we can draw in this particular case is, it's because of the narrative that she was giving. she bolstered the conversation, she bolstered the testimony of darren wilson. she not only said what he said, but she went even further. she said that michael brown engaged in a football type of action to keep darren wilson in the vehicle. so why did they bring her on? because she bolstered.

and i think that we can fairly ask a question of whether or not this attorney, this attorney's office has violated their ethical responsibility. and maybe that, that is something that should be explored as well. she knew that this person was not a credible witness and she put them in front of the grand jury and more importantly, she did not question this witness in front of the grand jury. she did not cross-examine this witness in front of the grand jury. so she, she didn't even allow the grand jury to get to whether or not this particular witness was telling the truth. there's a difference between questioning a witness, and cross-examining a witness and she did not, kathy alesaday did not cross-examine this witness and she did not allow the grand jury to get to the truth about this particular witness. >> lizz brown, joey jackson, so many questions, thank you for explaining it to us this morning. dick cheney says he would do it all over again. with the c.i.a. did was okay,

and it was okay because it worked. do you agree? new poll numbers are coming up and the truth about your feelings about torture are revealed. and we have live pictures for you outside the school in pakistan where right now there's active gunfire going on, at least 125 have already been killed. many of them are children. (vo) nourished.

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let's bring in phil mudd, you've been hearing from a lost people who say i knew somebody who was in the program. i kind of knew things. this is different, he's a cnn counterterrorism analyst, but he's a former deputy director of the counterterrorism center at the c.i.a. you know what was going on there, good, bad, ugly and you know who knew. so the first question for you is a softball. what do you think of the poll numbers saying the american people agree with what the c.i.a. did? and even basically an even split. let's put up provided intelligence that prevented attacks. yes, 42. no, 43. the decision to release the committee report split, right decision 42, wrong decision 43. what do the numbers mean to you, mr. mudd?

>> well i think the most interesting thing to me is not what these numbers say. we're in 2014. when military diplomatic intelligence efforts have decimated the adversary. that murdered 3,000 people 13 years ago. can you imagine this poll if we had done it on september 12th? that was the environment in which the c.i.a. established a program authorize by the department of justice and the congress. these people were worried about things like christmas shopping and the decline in the stock market. tell me more about what we would have said 13 years ago, than even about what we say today. >> is it fair to say that that emotional response to that situation put the c.i.a. in a position where it was not completely prepared to do what it was being asked to do. and that that led to mistakes? >> sure, i think the c.i.a. response to this indicates that. and i would agree with that the intelligence system as anybody, as a traditional intelligence officer will tell you, includings three basic

components. you collect intelligence, spies in the field, you disseminate it you send it to places like the department of state, the white house and the pentagon and people like me take all this stuff out there, intercepted communications. information from spice and put it together into a narrative, into a story. take a hard left in 2002 when we captured our first detainee. now in addition to those responsibilities, you create secret prisons overseas and you start interrogating people. it was an area we weren't familiar with back then. >> the idea of dick cheney coming out and saying i would do it all again, it was all fine. that's part of the political fight that's going on now because of how this initial report came out. let me ask you, at no time regardless of whether or not the doj said it was okay or not, people in and around the program didn't feel like this is too much what we're doing. this is torture what we're doing, no matter what we're being told. none of that common sense hit anybody? >> excuse me, common sense?

the majority of the american people still saying this is okay. we went to the people who we went to the people to determine what u.s. stats say. i personally spoke to members on both sides of the aisle in the congress. they told me either okay or is this it? in other words, aren't you doing more? the mod of the population is reflected by the american security service. the mood of the population is this is okay, this is morning okay and by the way, if it we ever see another jumper from the 100th floor at a building in new york, it's on you. you want to know what that's like, chris? we were dealt a hand of deuces and we ran the table in the casino. i thought it was great work. >> i saw the jumpers that day. i understand the emotionalism of the situation. there's no question about that, but that's also not perhaps the best mind to be making decisions, right? we don't want to act at our most emotional. >> it's the only mind we have, dude. >> the doj said it was okay but you didn't feel anything that was going on was actual torture

by any other definition? >> i felt the measures were tough. i knew we'd pay by this water cooler at the cia we talked about it all the time, end game. that is, we began conversations early on with the white house saying, when the prisoners that we hold no longer have intelligence value, what do we do with them? they are not jailers. they are interrogatointerrogato intelligence professionals, and we knew part of that end game personally would be judgments about us and judgments that history would make without living in the time. the biggest problem here is not documentary evidence that's reviewed by a congressional committee that never spoke with people like me, it is trying to relive the time and saying how, when you're told by the president, the vice president, the national security council, the department of justice and both sides of the aisle in the congress, how can you relive that moment and say what you did was wrong? we tried to reflect the will of the people. >> so you're saying that your friends ran away from you in the aftermath. two questions, one, why did you do it?

you answered that. the next one is did you tell people what you were doing? did they know? right now politicians are saying you either didn't tell us or you went farther than you said you were going. is that true? >> i think let's take those two questions. we went down to the congress and i was among them, again. it's not a very complicated briefing. i've done a million briefings in my life. here's ten techniques. we use flexible walls, we use chokeholds, open-fingered slaps, we use sleep deprivation. it's brutal but pretty simple, i run down a list, this is what we do. there's a couple things happening here. first, why didn't you ask the people who ran the committees, porter goss, the former chairman, later the cia director said hey, nobody in this investigation asked me, a former congressman, i was chairin' ma of the committee. yeah, they told me. we could have resolved this question by asking the people who were there. >> you're saying that the people who needed to know knew, and there were no blind spots about the cia. >> yes. >> the last question is this then. you're in the report. and you are used as part of the

cia machine that was spinning what this program was about to the media to make it something that it wasn't. is that a fair charge? yes. >> were you a spinemeister for the cia selling us on a program we didn't really understand? >> let me put you on the hot seat, chris. how long has "new day" been on the air? >> about a year and change. >> are you guys do'ing okay? >> we're doing better than that, mudd. >> why are you spinning me? i believed in the program. i believed they were crushing al qaeda, we were crushing them with human source operations with signals intercepts, with working with security services, the paramilitary military operation in afghanistan against the taliban was stunningly successful, and i told the media, i didn't cherry-pick of abc, cbs, nbc, "new york times," "the washington post," "l.a. times," told them all, we are crushing it. nobody in the report ever asked me. i stand by what that report says. hell yeah i saw what old what w believed it. here' ace dirty secret, i was

right, we did crush them. >> philip mudd thank you for coming forward with the candid responses to the questions. i appreciate you taking the opportunity. >> sure, thank you. terror strikes again this time at a school in pakistan. we'll show you live pictures of the scene where at least 126 people have been killed, most of them children who will bring . u we'll bring you the latest developments. [ female announcer ] hands were made for talking. feet...tiptoeing. better things than the pain, stiffness, and joint damage of moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis.

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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com a deadly attack on a school in pakistan. >> six men with suicide vests. >> the taliban gunmen entered the school, after scaling its walls. >> at least 100 people killed, mostly children. >> the death toll is continuing to rise. >> the siege is over. sydney remains on high alert. >> this is just the kind of guy isis wants? >> things like this don't happen in sydney. >> we are ready to deal with these people. >> just because we don't believe in the bad guys, doesn't mean the bad guys aren't trying to kill us.

>> welcome to "new day." it is tuesday, december 16th, just before 8:00 in the east. chris cuomo and alisyn camerota here and right now a school in pakistan is still an active battle zone. gunfire, explosions, just rocking this army-run school in the pakistani city of peshawar. gunmen have been targeting students from grade one to grade ten. these are live pictures from the scene now somewhat under control. the death toll is high and will get higher. at least 125 people dead, many of them between 12 and 16 years of age. >> the numbers are so staggering. we'll bring you all of the breaking news as soon as we get it. there are more questions about another terror attack yesterday in sydney,'s tl austr. could more lives somehow have been saved? could the gunman known to australian police somehow have been stopped sooner? our coverage begins with the breaking news from pakistan. let's go to cnn's atika shubert

tracking all the developments live from london. what is happening at this hour, atika? >> reporter: that's right, it looks like they have cleared most of the buildings in that school compound. they're in the last building now. they were hampered by what they said were ieds, or the threat of ieds in the area but they have rescued seven more staff, four teachers and they seem to be closing up. they have also reported they killed six of the attackers. now, it's believed that those were all of the attackers, but we won't know for sure until the military confirms that. in the meantime, in the hospitals, they are now counting the dead, most of those killed were children. breaking this morning, taliban militants terrorizing a school in northern pakistan. at least 100 people killed, mostly children. at least two teachers among the deceased. this crisis unfolding at a military-run school of peshawar, with dozens of others injured. it was just before 12:00 p.m. when a group of gunmen stormed

the school after scaling the walls. the pakistan taliban claiming responsibility, calling this a revenge attack after they say pakistan's military launched a major military offensive against them. >> the military runs a number of schools, they call them the army public schools. clearly this was chosen because of its affiliation with the military and also because it was a soft target. there are children there. >> reporter: a taliban spokesman claiming six suicide bombers were ordered to attack the school. their goal? to shoot older students. security official says nearly 700 students and staff were in the building when the attack began. the students are aged 10 to 18. pakistan military officials say paramilitary forces are now on school grounds, confirming they exchanged gunfire with the terrorists. most of the students and staff have now been evacuated, but this is an ongoing hostage

situation. >> parents were able to contact their kids through mobile phones. they were getting information, but now they have absolutely no contact. >> reporter: over the past few months, the pakistan military has been trying to clear out militants along its border with afghanistan through a ground offensive. the campaign has displaced tens of thousands of people, and killed over 1,600 militants. now we understand it is no longer a hostage situation, the pakistan military spokesperson saying that they have killed a sixth gunman they believe to be the last gunman on the scene but they are still combing through the buildings to make absolutely sure. in the meantime, we have a statement that's just come in from malala yousafzaiyousafzai, school girl shot in the head by thetal pan because she wanted the right to an education. she put out a statement saying "i am heartbroken by the senseless and cold-blooded act of terror. innocent children in their schools have no place such as

this." she goes on to say "i along with millions around the world mourn these children, my brothers and sisters, but we will never be defeated." >> it's proof malala was not the exception, she is becoming what is all too frequently the rule. thank you for the reporting. to be clear, there is no justification for killing kids but the motivation here is relevant to understanding the ongoing war on terror. pakistan's government suspended peace talks with the pakistani taliban and instead started conducting offensives aimed at clearing out these militants. that is obviously now caused them to pay a price. let's get to pentagon correspondent barbara starr. they did something seen as an assault on taliban. this is what is seen as a reasonable response? >> well, look, chris, this is a group, the pakistani taliban, that is a huge security worry for pakistan but also for the united states, watching this group very closely. just a few days ago, in fact, the u.s. was compelled to

release a top ttp operative, a man named latif masout. they've been holding him in afghanistan, the mission changed, no more combat, they couldn't hold prisoners. just days ago top operative released back to the pakistanis, just the beginning of the security worries. the ttp is something that has something a group the u.s. has watched and has worried about for many reasons. in 2009, they were said to be behind the attack on a cia compound in afghanistan that killed seven cia agents in 2010. they also were said to be the inspiration for that failed times square bomb attack in new york. this is a group they may not be able to come to the united states and launch large scale attacks here, but the worry is the new face of terrorism they can inspire attacks, they can

send operatives here, and it's a big concern. this attack today maybe that is revenge attack against the pakistani military but it underscores the ttp very much alive, well, and capable, and that is a big worry for the u.s. alisyn? >> absolutely, barbara starr thanks for the background. >> let's talk more about the taliban's attack on this pakistani school with tom fuentes, cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director and chris voss, former lead international hostage negotiator for the fbi. gentlemen, thanks so much for being here. tom, where does the military even start when they get a call that a school filled with hundreds of children is under terrorist attack? >> well, alisyn, i think they do what they did in this case, try to get as many forces in there as they can to fight back and try to regain the school and rescue the people that are being either held hostage or just

trapped inside trying to avoid being in the middle of the cross-fire, but these kind of attacks are nothing new for the pakistani military in the tribal region, the frontier region of pakistan. they had numerous occasions where they overran a police station and killed hundreds of policemen or killed hundreds of soldiers. what's new about it in the recent past is the mass killing of children. >> chris, you are an international hostage negotiator, but is there any possible negotiation with suicide bombers? they know that they're not getting out of the incident alive. where do you even begin? >> well, you can't negotiate a gunfight and this is a continuing gunfight. suicide bombers came in with the intent to not be communicated with and were using violence as a form of communication. so it's the most dangerous negotiation being one you don't know you're in. you have to understand how the adversary is communicating to respond in a similar fashion. >> and what does that mean, chris? i mean, what does that mean how

the adversary is communicating? what would you do? >> at this point in time they were communicating with violence and the only thing to do is, while the violence is ongoing, is to meet that with violence and understand what the adversary is doing, which is a gunfight. if they were to come to a point where they wanted to communicate and trying to use the children as hostages that changes the game, merely continuing to recognize what exactly the adversary is doing. >> tom, part of why they say that this was chosen was because it's a soft target. schools are soft targets. obviously that sends a shiver down the spine of any parent, even here in the u.s. is there any way to harden the target to make sure that things like this don't happen in pakistan or anywhere? >> well, they're going to happen. they don't have enough security forces to guard their own security forces. i mean, this is not a real soft target. it was kind of a compound, a walled compound where they scaled the walls and came in. so the taliban was conducting a military operation against a

military facility, maybe not the most heavily guarded but most of the facilities of the military and the police in that part of pakistan are vulnerable, just by the sheer numbers of taliban and the tactics they use. >> chris, the pakistan taliban says they were doing this in retaliation for the recent operations of the pakistan army. so what does the pakistan army do now? >> well, in many ways, you know, the comment that the group is alive and well, they may be alive but they're not particularly well, because this kind of an attack n my view s a sign of weakness. if they could engage the battlefield they will. they're attacking children because they happen to be losing on the battlefield and the pakistani military should harden their targets as much as they can and probably continue the offensive they're on and showing that's working. >> i've asked this before, tom, but it doesn't make any sense to our logical minds. how does this advance their cause? how, in any way, does the slaughter of children help their

recruitment or help their pr? >> because, like all terrorism, they can't win at the ballot box or there may be no ballot box, can't win in combat as chris mentioned so the next act of terror is to influence the policies of pakistan by intimidating the government of pakistan and sending the message, and chris is right, communicating a message to the pakistani people, you're not safe. your children are not safe. nobody's children are safe, and we want certain things to happen, one of which is for the government to pack off and let them control these tribal areas. >> chris, what does the u.s. government do about this attack? >> well, the u.s. government has got a tough call, because the other thing that the taliban wants is to lure the u.s. government back in and make them look like intruders and interlopers in the area. that's part of their measure, and they're also trying to make the u.s. government re-think possibly things they've done in the past to make us look foolish in negotiating with them in the

first place. i think they're trying to make us look either foolish or incompetent. >> so given that, what do we change, chris? >> i think the overall policies of the region are supporting the people that are trying to advance the democratic process as much as possible, and actually be a little more hands off. >> chris voss, tom fuentes, thanks so much for your expertise and sharing it with us this morning. >> thank you. >> chris? another situation involving terror this morning, there are new details about the final moments of monday's hostage standoff in sydney. this, as the people of sydney are trying to cope with unimaginable violence in such a peaceful place. flowers are marking the site of this deadly attack, but it will be remembered and hopefully learned from going forward. let's get to andrew stevens live from sydney this morning. what's it like there, andrew? >> reporter: well, it's just gone midnight, so the city is getting quite quiet now, chris. there are still people by that memorial, flowers continuing to

appear there throughout the day really, and no doubt will continue tomorrow. this is almost like an act of solidarity amongst the sydney people themselves. they're supporting each other, backing each other up, while they're paying their respects, they're emphasizing their grief to what happened here with this hostage crisis and the details we're getting, details i should underline are still sketchy. we're getting nothing confirmed at the moment, chris. what does appear to be firming up is the fact that the police went in after they heard a shot from inside this cafe. it looks initially like the police were prepared to wait this out, at least for another day or so, but there was a gunshot inside, and what we're hearing, these unconfirmed reports of what was happening inside, is that tori johnson, the manager of this cafe, actually went for the gun to try to get the gun away from the gunman. he failed, and he paid for that failure with his life, as we

understand it. there was a gunshot, the police went in, hostages were taken out. some had just managed to get out before the police went in, but there were 17 in there when that shot was heard, and there were 15 who got out. one other hostage who we've been told now, katrina dawson, a brilliant lawyer, by all accounts, the mother of three young children, also didn't make it out. we don't know the details surrounding her death but we know that she was one of the two hostages who did not make it out. >> so gunfire is what triggered having the authorities go in and we know at least one hostage tried to fight back and wound up losing his own life because of it but quite possibly saved others. andrew stevens, thank you very much for bringing us up-to-date on the situation. a lot of other stories here this morning as well. let's get to michaela. we have some urgency to deal with. >> certainly there is and people in the area in pennsylvania need to be very, very careful. there's a massive manhunt under way right now for an iraq war

veteran suspected of killing six of his former family members in pennsylvania. 35-year-old bradley williams stone killed his ex-wife and five of his former in-laws, including a 14-year-old girl. he is armed. he is dangerous. let's get the latest from miguel marqu marquez, live with more developments. >> reporter: good morning there, michaela. some schools are closed in this area, after a possible carjacking by mr. bradley last night, an area right near here went on lockdown for some period of time. authorities said this began yesterday morning around 4:30 with a hangup 911 call as they begin to investigate, they found three different locations, not only they say he killed his ex-wife, but his ex-mother-in-law, his ex-grandmother-in-law, centerline, husband, shot and injured their 17-year-old son who is now in hospital. he did serve in iraq in 2008. they believe he may use a cane or a walker. they say he was not injured in

iraq. he also may be wearing bdus. police are releasing two different photographs, one with mr. bradley with a beard and another with clean-shaven. they say he may have been clean shaven when all of this took place. >> another manhunt for pennsylvania, very concerning. keep us updated miguel, thank you. new york city meanwhile is on high alert following the deadly hostage siege in sydney. the nypd is dispatching officers to lindt chocolate shops and the consulate. the empire state building and on wall street as well. new details emerging on the va scandal, a new report by the department's top watch dog says veterans affairs officials misled congress, the media, and the public about how many veterans died or suffered serious harm because of long treatment delays. the inspector general's office of the va says it found flairing errors in the fact sheet the va shared with congress and the

press back in april. dr. murphy will be the next surgeon general of the united states. senators voted to confirm the 37-year-old harvard professor monday. his nomination had been in limbo for more than a year and a half out of concerns about his experience, opposition fairly strong opposition from the gun lobby. murphy is now america's youngest ever top doctor and also the first surgeon general of indian-american descent. can i get a little drum roll here? impressive. the rock 'n' roll hall of fame class of 2015 has been announced. ri ringo starr and the late lou reed. starr is the last of the beatles to receive the honor. green day, joan jett, stevie ray vaughn and soul legend bill withers. the induction ceremony will be held april 18th so mark your calendars. >> a little bit of good, fun news on this day as we have very bad news. thanks a lot, michaela. this heart-stopping scene over a 16-hour hostage standoff

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welcome back to "new day." pakistan, sydney, they raise questions. how we combat the threat and those answers to those questions led to the controversy surrounding the cia. so how do we balance what is right in battling what is so wrong? let's get inside from someone charged with fighting this fight at the highest level, and responsible for bringing down the man who was america's biggest enemy, osama bin laden, former navy s.e.a.l. robert o'neill. thank you for joining me, sir. >> chris, thank you for having me. >> i want to go through the

different threats and realities of from the per sxekive of somebody who had to fight the fight. let's deal with the controversy and move on. you had members of your own fraternity, the brotherhood of s.e.a.l.s, saying that we are about our own discretion. we do not seek any type of acclaim for what we do and that you violated that. is that fair criticism? >> i think the criticism is fair. i'm very familiar with the fraternity that is the s.e.a.l. team and i respect their opinions. i was never going to come forward with the story i did but based on what happens when i know nated a shirt to the 9/11 memorial. the response from the families helping the 25 people or so in the room realizing i could help thousands more i thought it would be irresponsible not to come out with a story, give them a face and a name for if not closure part of the healing process to so many affected on

the terrible day. >> if not nor glory why did you think saying i'm the guy who did it saying that would be helpful to the families. >> i went to anonymously donate the shirt i wore into osama bin laden's bedroom. i thought it would be a private tour. as i stood in front of survivors i saw their response and how they reacted and got more and more into the story and by seeing it, that was the first time i told the group i was the one who shot and killed osama bin laden and what they told me, just having lost husbands and sons and having them tell me it helped in the healing process, it's bigger than me and important for the entire nation. >> that was the crowning achievement but the fight has moved on and we have new situations to deal with, seeing them play out in pakistan, what we just went through in sydney

and our dialogue what we should do in the u.s., what's right, what's wrong, what is torture and what isn't in the controversy surrounding the cia. pakistan, a handful of guys take on the school and killed over 100 kids so far. >> yes. >> do you think that could happen in the u.s.? >> no doubt in my mind. >> so it could happen? >> it could happen and it might happen. i've always said that the terrorists are looking at us and they're evolving how they could hurt us the most. one way to come across one of our most vulnerable spots, our spots are schools, places with gun-free zones, movie theaters. i thought a school would be the easiest. it wouldn't surprise me to see it. i don't want to see it obviously but we need to be vigilant and realize there are people waging war on us. >> our ability to threat assess and the u.s. ability to fight and respond like you down to the local level that is not enough to make the situation if it happened different than what we're seeing in pakistan? >> we can make it very different. we have the great folks of

different, you know, the fbi, different intelligence agencies that are constantly monitoring and they're aware of the threat that could potentially happen and looking at it all the time and we have great law enforcement all over the country, national guard and military, so we're ready for it, but also it's bigger than that. it's a realization of the american people that it could happen here and we all need to be aware of it. >> in terms of what awareness yields, when you look at the sydney situation, the guy had a record. he was sending horrible letters to the families of armed service members. he was engaging in extremist thought. but what can you do about guys like that? even if you watch them, you never know what's going to happen on a given day, right? >> no. i mean he's a tough one, too. i think that his reason for doing a lot of it was because he was mentally ill. he had a history of sexual violence. he had problems with the conspiracy to murder his ex-wife. this guy is an issue and one of those things where maybe if someone on the street, someone in a coffee shop or a mosque saw him acting the way he was,

that's when it needs to be reported to authorities that this guy is potentially a threat and someone needs to watch him. >> the cia, you put out a tweet about it, that i think reveals your thoughts. let's put that up so the audience can see it and i'll ask you about it. isis is trying to sell james foley's headless body to his parents for $1 million. anybody really care if we watter board these lowlives? you have rules of engagement and had to adhere to them carefully in the field. that supposedly goes it what we did as detainees as well. you believe the ends justify the means? >> what i was saying there and obviously this is a very, very broad subject and it can't be described in a tweet but just with the given amount of characters i was able to bring up what these horrible people do, how it affects the families. not only did they say they were going to behead the foley's son, but now they're trying to sell it back as some sort of humanity and they can put it on youtube, and if we have intelligence to have other people like this and

interrogate them and use a few techniques that make them uncomfortable, that make them confused and leads to protecting even an individual american like mr. foley or a greater attack on a country, i think the conversation should be had. i think personally that torture does not work, that torture is vile, it is the worst act in which you can engage. however, we need to look at what we're doing. interrogation is a process. it's not like we show up waterboarding and he gave us nothing. it's a long process of, you know, having them lose a sense of time, loud music, stress positions, and eventually, it all comes down to the good cop/bad cop thing. if we could turn down the music and let them sleep longer or sit down out of a stress position eventually they're going to talk. you build that rapport it talks about. i don't personally think it's torture and i think the conversation should be had how we can interrogate the people to save lives. >> that's the conversation that we're having right now. thank you very much, sir, for the work for the country and thank you for coming on "new

day." >> you're welcome, chris, thank you for having me. >> alisyn? we're following breaking news, the standoff at a pakistan school has ended, according to police. the gunfire has stopped. all the terrorist militants are dead. at least 130 now killed in this horrifying attack. we'll have the latest details on the survivors as well. hello... i'm an idaho potato farmer

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we are following breaking news for you, the taliban attack on a pakistani school in we shah war is now over we're told. at least 13 people killed, most of them students, after armed

suicide bombers stormed the school. police say that all of the taliban militants are now dead. let's get to akita shubert in london live with breaking details. what is the latest? >> that's been confirmed to us by the police chief there on the ground, that all six of the gunmen have been killed. they've cleared all of the buildings in the area. there were some slow going initially because they feared there might have been ieds planted but they say they cleared that entire area now. so that's good news that is over but we are still looking to the death toll, there are more 100 killed, most of them children between the ages of 12 and 16. they were brought to two hospitals in the area, and that is where many parents gathered, looking for their children to find out whether or not they're among the dead. it is a grim scene at the moment. even though the siege of the school seems to be over, a lot of employees there still combing the area making sure it's safe.

>> it's heartbreaking. 130 killed. do we know how many students were in the school when this happened? >> we know that there were about 1,000 students inside the school normally. there was something happening in the auditorium apirntly as the school days with going ahead. the attackers apparently came over the wall, some reports saying they were dressed in pakistan military uniforms and that's how they slipped through. there was an explosion a suicide bomber, we don't know where that explosion occurred if that's where most of the casualties were. reports gunmen went from classroom to classroom taking shots at children there and also targeting teachers as well. those stories we're getting from survivors but it's obviously deeply traumatizing particularly for families who don't know what's happened in their children. >> it makes you physically sick to hear the details.

atika, thanks so much for the update. over to michaela for other news now. >> here we go with the five things to know. number one the gunmen who held hostage several hostages in sydney was a self-styled muslim cleric. man who arian monis used the internet to spread his extremist beliefs. police in pennsylvania mounting an all-out search, a manhunt for bradley william stone, suspected of killing his ex-wife and five former in-laws including a 14-year-old girl. pascal calling people trying to shore up people in the midths of its massive hack attack. sony stock plunged more than 10% since the beginning of last week. bill cosby's wife speaking out for the first time, maintaining her husband is a kind, generous man and blames the media for reporting unbided rape allegations against him. the new orleans saints keep their playoff hopes alive the

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developments out of pakistan, breaking news, at least 130 people are dead, most of them students, after the taliban stormed a school. also more fallout for sony as is tries to fight back against a massive cyber attack, now trying to stop media outlets from reporting on this. should cnn be reporting on it? we'll debate that. and we're going to talk about achieving peace through the eyes of the young. we had the kitty cabinet weigh in on race in america. now we're going to do something a little different. we're going to talk to them about the war on terror, isis, and you're going to get to see what you're teaching them, and what they can teach us.

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pleasu pleasure, all of you.. brian we have to start with you. the attorney for sony sent a letter to several media outlets characterizing the leaked documents as stolen information that should be ignored and discarded. what do you think? what is your stance on this? should the media be reporting on this content? >> there are no easy answers to this, and the information is stolen, but it's not the journalists that have stolen it. it is the hackers that have stolen it, put it out into public view. journalists are doing a good job contextualizing the information and choosing what not to share. social security numbers and private medal records we'd never be track fficking this informat. >> an opp ed in "new york times" i understand news outlets use stolen information. that's how we got the pentagon papers but there's nothing remo remoting rising to the level of public interest of the information found in the

pentagon papers. this is spectacularly dishonor obl. >> eric sorkin is one of the many who show up in the embarrassing e-mails involving him just like many others in hollywood. we're talking about public figures here, a-list actors and big celebrities and entertains and executives, too. >> dawn, to that end, interesting a website leaked what is purported to be the death scene from that controversial at least as far as north korea is considering, that film "the interview" the comedy, along with that was leaked an e-mail from actor seth rogen discussing the changes made to tone it down. talk about that a little bit, and if this is the scene that is particularly controversial to whoever is upset about this, why put it on the internet? why leak it? >> that was an interesting throwdown by the publication, i

believe it was gawker no. what was interesting is that gawker hosted and edited although i believe a two-minute-long clip of the pivotal scene in "the interview" the one the hackers objected to and presumely an internal discussion in the newsroom how it may be protected under copyright, it is the subject of the story which goes on to talk about the debate between sony executives and the filmmakers over what was appropriate to air and the sensitivities around how to capture in a comic way the assassination of north korea's leader. >> we understand that the hackers have come out and said that there will be more leaks because essentially sony hasn't met their demands which was including to not release the interview. that points right to north

korea, or some sort of involvement from that country. >> we will find out. there's definitely one possibility. one thing i wanted to say, too, sony has been talking about the importance of releasing this film and not being cowed, that the studio has a right to free expression under first amendment concepts. i find it interesting now the same studio is serving journalists who are reporting on this devastating hack trying to curb our free expression rights here. >> will ripley, the sony chief in japan took an unprecedented step and intervened in the business of hollywood studio a few months ago. give us the latest on what you're hearing on the ground there. >> the ceo hadn't done that, hadn't been done in sony in the 25-year history of sony pictures entertainment, which is of course the american subsidiary of sony here in tokyo, but the

reason why he stepped in, in a large part you have to keep in mind the context here. japan and north korea are close neighbors. north korea still influences through back channels some businesses, some lawmakers here in japan, so there's certainly that pressure that he was facing, and when you're talking about a movie that characterizes the assassination of a sitting leader something that big budget pictures hadn't done before all of a sudden he started to think about the sensitivity of the political situation. north korea is a country that fires ballistic missiles, projectiles regularly into the sea of japan, and also the two countries are in sensitive talks trying to normalize their relations all over again. this is a real geopolitical mess that sony has found itself in the id middle of with this film. >> the movie will not be shown in japan. will, thank you. i'm curious what you hear from your reliable sources, brian, about what's going on internally at sony. you get the sense that things

have gone from bad to worse? what are the conversations you're hearing about? >> there's a lot of upset employees because it's a lot of regular employees, not the million-dollar executives with their social security numbers online now, they're worried about identity theft. there was a town hall at sony yesterday and the message from the bosses was we will get through this. this will not take us down as a company. the fact you have to reassure people about that shows how bad this is getting >> dawn, there's been this rumor of some sort of christmas day surprise. are you hearing anything from your people over there at recode? >> the hackers are promising to deliver perhaps another christmas present of hard files. it's hard to imagine how the group can exceed the 16,000 documents they delivered on saturday. that's like four times the volume of the pentagon papers dropped for context. >> this is why it seems like extortion. sony's lawyers do not want this

film released and willing to release more files to stop it. >> brian stiller it, dawn, and will ripley, great conversation. thanks. we continue our coverage of breaking news out of pakistan. at least 130 people dead in a school shooting there, most of them students, the standoff is over and police say all of the terrorists are dead. we'll also look at what it will take to achieve peace through the eyes of kids. their perspective on the war on terror and what it will take to end it. stay tuned.

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first we want to update you on the top story the standoff at a school in the pakistani city of peshawar has ended and very badly. at least 130 people, most of them young, innocent schoolkids, have been killed by taliban militants who stormed that school several hours ago. woe will have more throughout the morning as we learn more about who did this and what will happen next. the mission will move to one of recovery and please, watch that continuing coverage throughout the morning with us. we want to switch tone. we've been heavy this morning and when ewe're dealing with th war on terror at the end of the day motivation is protecting our kids, keeping ourselves safe. this conversation about what to do and the cia and sydney,

they're hearing us and learning from us for better or worse and developing their own ideas about right, wrong, good and bad even on something like isis. i know it's weird talking to kids about something this heavy. they know already. they're in third and fourth grade and had a lot to say. we went to the kiddie cabinet on what is certainly right for discussion. look at what they had to say. who knows there's a war going on right now? who is the war against? who is fighting homeland? gabriel? >> isis. >> what does that mean, isis? >> a group of people attacking another country, and the country wasn't able to defend themselves. >> what religion is isis, gabriel? >> i don't know. i'm not sure. >> anybody know? matthew? >> muslim? >> yes. muslims. what is the difference between christian and muslim? gabriel? >> they don't believe in god

that much. >> is that what you think? >> um-hum. >> they do, they believe in god. what is another difference between muslims and everybody else? >> anybody know? >> maybe because they want to start a war and they don't want to make peace with most people here. >> you think muslims want war? >> um-hum. >> who else thinks that? who thinks muslims want peace just like christians want peace. should we be fighting against isis? >> no. >> no? but we are, right? why should we not, matthew? >> because we're killing people that way. >> killing people. well, we're told that we have to do it, because isis is killing all these people where they are and the people can't defend themselves. so they need help, gabriel, right? >> yes, and isis is enslaving people and america is just trying to defend all the people. they don't want to hurt anybody. >> do you think that war is the answer? what is the first thing you

don't do if you don't like what i'm doing? >> talk. >> second thing, i don't listen to you. i'm going to keep trying to hurt matthew. i don't like it? >> try to make it a law. >> okay. try and pass a law and i say i don't care about your law. i have my own law and i don't like that. i'm going to take his things. what do you do about it? gabriel? >> protect matthew. >> protect matthew. how? >> by putting a plane and transporting him somewhere. >> you can't move him. there's too many matthews. can't get him out of there. we've got to stay there. i'm coming. what are you going to do, william? >> protect him, more than one person should be trying to stop other people from hurting him saying bad things to him. >> if i say i'll fight all of them, i don't care, i'll come out, i'm going after matthew and his pins. >> why do you want to get all of his pins? you want them? >> yes, i want his pins.

give them to me now. >> so we'll say just ask for them, maybe he'll give them to you. >> he doesn't want to give me these pins. i'm not going to follow it, because i want the pins and i'm going to take them and you can't do anything to stop me. i don't like any of you and by the way after i get his pins i'm coming after you. instead of pins what they're saying is this, everybody should be like me and believe what i believe. i believe what i believe, and everybody who lives around me, they should believe the same thing, and if they don't, then they are breaking the rules, and i'm going to punish them. that's what they're saying. what do you say, adriana? >> i think that's wrong. >> why? who are you to say it's wrong. you believe differently from me, too, i don't like you. how are you going to stop me? >> the army? >> do you think you'd go right to using force to stop me? >> um-hum. >> what about talking?

remember you said don't fight, talk? >> yes. >> i said one thing you don't like and you're ready to sick the army on me. >> yep. >> you're too quick. i can't wait for you to be president. we'll be fighting all the time. >> i'll suffer for my country. >> you will suffer for your country? >> yes. >> i hope she never has to. >> she's in the fourth grade. she's joking "i'll suffer for my country" but this is what i got from her. they hear what you're saying. we have to be careful what we tell kids but you don't want to shelter them from the realities because they have a purity in their morality judgments, you talk, move, find alternatives. >> you help each other. >> and if you have to do it, then you fight but it's a last and remote possibility. are they polyjanuary annish, naive, of course they are but of course some things are complicated. >> there are no right answers. these are troubling times with troubling incidents and there are no right answers.

>> and consequences. >> and the pins were, the kids in that catholic school are awarded for good attendance, good behavior, doing well. so he had all his pins on. >> that's your school, right? >> that is, i never got a pin. >> no surprise. all right so this story with the kids obviously relates to the news glg on and the situation we're seeing play out in pakistan in the war on terror. let's get you to "the newsroom" with carol costello, you'll get the latest right after the break. thanks for being with us. (vo) nourished. rescued. protected. given new hope. during the subaru "share the love" event, subaru owners feel it, too. because when you take home a new subaru, we donate 250 dollars to helping those in need. we'll have given 50 million dollars over seven years. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.

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can help, why not start today? good morning i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. breaking news overnight a new attack fueled by islamic extremism, killing dozens of schoolchildren in northwestern pakistan. taliban leaders there claiming responsibility for the siege which ended just minutes ago. all six of the taliban commandos have been killed in xwn fights with government soldiers. let's get the latest on the drama. michelle stockman in peshawar this morning, tell us more. >> reporter: that's right, carol. we understand the military says the siege is finally over, about a six-hour process from the time that the attackers entered the school to when they announced that the final and sixth gunman