we've learned we can all do a better job. we should continue to have these conversations. thank you, everyone. i appreciate it. i'm don lemon. good night. good evening, thanks for joining us. in pakistan the death toll is rising and sense of shock and loss is deepening as they try to understand the act of terror against chilling. a 911 bloodbath coming soon to a theater near you. the question is who is behind it and is it, in fact, north korea and if so, what's next? plus, with the horror still fresh in sydney, australia, we'll profile the heroes that came forward and saved lives and tried to their best to save the day. we begin tonight with that terror attack in pakistan.

the death toll rising in an attack so heinous it's drawn the condemnation of the taliban in afghanistan and pakistan's arch rival india. all across india schools will be observing two minutes of silence, solidarity with pakistan after the assault that's taken at least 140 lives. most young lives. school kids ages 12 and up. it happened in peshmerga, the pakistani taliban was behind it and this is how the horror unfolded. first responders rushed children to the emergency room. the latest casualties in pakistan's war with the taliban. the siege on the army public school begins around 10 :00 pakistan time and militants set off a car bomb to distract security forces and scaled the walls. 1,000 children, many children of army personnel are inside. the men entered the rooms one by one, this lab assistant says and

started indisdiscriminate nationally firing at staff and students. pakistani force as rife on the scene, surround the school and take positions on rooftops. inside, a massacre is under way. a total of 7 militants execute students and staff while wearing suicide vests. according to pakistani military they have enough ammunition for a long siege. they yell, god is great as they roar through the hallways. >> they entered the main auditorium where there was a huge gathering. i think the students were going through an exam and that's where they started shooting indisdiscriminaindi indiscrimina indiscriminate. >> they move in but the task of securing the sprawling campus takes hours. by 4 p.m. six hours into the attack the gunmen were confined to four buildings. word quickly spreads that the crisis at the school, as ambulances speed by, parents anxiously wait outside desperate

for word on their children. by 7:00 p.m., nine hours into the siege, the pakistani military announce all seven militants are dead. nearby, many students and staff fight for their lives in a chaotic hospital emergency room. this man who appears to be a father lashes out against the pakistani government. this boy, one of the luggy ones who made it out alive weeps as he's comforted by adults. by day's end the death toll climbs above 140. most of them no older than 16. this is one of the worst attacks in a country that's seen far too many of them. pakistanis have suffered greatly from terrorism and the taliban. that said pakistani governments and the pakistani military have rarely confronted the problem consistently. there have been attacks launched on the taliban but also plenty of deals made with them over the years. some perspective on that and more from tim craig, islamabad bureau chief for "the washington

post." let's talk about this group of taliban, the ttp. what do you know about them? >> well, they were formed in the aftermath of september 11th. and it gets confusing for a lot of americans and westerners because you have the afghan and pakistan taliban. the pakistan taliban was a creation of domestic islamic militants that formed when the previous pakistan government, pervez musharraf began aligning with the government. it's homegrown militants th s s want to put in sharia law. they don't have much support in the country. they do have sympathizers and they do have, you know, various supporters, but most pakistanis do not support them. they view them as sort of a fringe element that's got no place in pakistan and responsible for nearly a decade of attacks against the pakistan army, troops and installation.

pakistan has lost thousands of soldiers and of civilians in these attacks. but few of these -- few -- none of the attacks actually have risen to the level of what we saw today where it was a deliberate targeting of children. many are the children of pakistan army officers and soldiers and what can only be described as a horrific massacre. >> that's why this school in particular was targeted because it's the kids of pakistan military officers? >> yeah, pakistan taliban issued a statement saying that they targeted the children of the people who they claim are responsible for killing them and ongoing military operations that have been taking place in northwestern pakistan. >> i mean obviously there's been a lot of violent attacks in pakistan over the years and in some ways pakistanis have become used to some level of violence. this attack seems different, yes. >> yes, i mean when i was out

for awhile today in the streets of islamabad and people were glued to television sets. that blank stare that you remember from the u.s. on 9/11 where people just stood in disbelief. there have been attacks on some children in the past. malala was shot not far from this town of peshmerga three years ago. but it was rare. you didn't -- you never heard of such deliberate targeting of teenagers, boys and girls. teachers, and what only can be described as a massacre. >> you describe this as sort of pakistan's 9/11. do you think the fact that they're targeting kids and that so many people in pakistan are shocked by it, that this is a turning point in any way or will make a difference? does the military -- is there more they could be doing to try to eliminate the taliban? >> i think, clearly today, it's viewed as a turning point. but if you spend any time in pakistan, you know that you never quite can be sure how long this stuff can be sustained.

public opinion here sort of shifts. there's a dozen political parties all with different views on different things. and there have been pretty brutal attacks in the past. you know, earlier this year the karachi airport was attacked that stunned everyone. how could this happen? there was a sort of resolve. and as the weeks go, people move on. but i do feel this is different and i do feel that, you know, you're going to have a pretty big spurt of unity heading to do something. the problem is is what can they do? this is not, you know, pakistan fighting a war against another country or fighting a war with india or another border. they're fighting a war in your own country. so the military is sort of confined in some ways about what they can do to eradicate this problem. and i don't think anyone expects this battle to be over soon. >> tim craig, i appreciate you joining us from islamabad. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> i want to continue to focus on this attack. i want to dig deeper now and

bring in cnn chief international christiane events from london. developments from london. i know you spoke to pakistan's defense minister today. he told you that the government and armed forces are on the same page as far as the war on terror is concerned. earlier this year, though, pakistan's prime minister tried to broker a peace deal with the pakistani taliban so are they on the same page? >> reporter: well, look, they are all speaking from the same page today after this horrendous attack. the defense minister said this attack wouldn't deter them and he did say, look, yes, we wanted to have peace with them, but they all broke down, and they didn't pursue that with us. and we kind of expected, since our offensive in june, that there would be backlash from the taliban, but he said, it is absolutely awful what happened at this school and that he called the security at that military-run school slack, to say the least. >> you mentioned the offense of the pakistan's army launched against the taliban back in june and attacks in the country had

actually declined since then. do you think this attack though spurs the pakistan to fight harder against the taliban? because that's the criticism for a long time of them that they're so focused on india that they're not focusing as much on or against the taliban. >> reporter: you're absolutely right and i pressed the defense minister about that. i said, who is your main enemy, is it india or do you admit it is these ex-t extremists, these jihadis or taliban. while we have various countries, the biggest threat are these jihadi, the taliban. people said if this kind of massive attack on the military's own children doesn't spur a full-scale forward march and change of tune really, then practically nothing will, anderson. >> and i mean, they have targeted children in the past. malala yousafzai, who i think you spoke to a

couple of days ago if not last week, she obviously survived an assassination in 2012. she came out condemning this attack today. it will be interesting to see if in pakistan, this isn't actually a turning point. >> reporter: that is going to be very interesting to watch because there has been a degree of brainwashing by the taliban. and yet they don't yet actually have majority support. politically, it said the taliban are defeated. certainly in afghanistan and to an extent in pakistan, but militarily, they remain a threat and they have increased their threat quotient in the last many months particularly as the u.s. starts to pull back. whether this has an effect on the hearts and minds in pakistan and concentrates the minds of people who might have thought that, you know, the taliban were, i don't know, standing up for pakistan, you know, socking one to the united states, if you like. whether people can get over that

and really understand that they are an existential threat to pakistanis remains to be seen and such a heartbreaking comment from the defense minister. he said the smaller the coffin, the heavier it is to bear for us, and he really means that because this is an unprecedented attack. >> and i mean, why target children, particularly if you're trying to change perception or win over followers in the country? i mean, i guess it's only because they're the children of military officers. >> reporter: well, this particular attack, the taliban spokespeople told cnn earlier in the siege earlier this morning our time that this was revenge for that very pakistani government and military defensive that has been taking place since mid-june. they said this is revenge for that. however, i think they probably have not reckoned with or don't care about the backlash and the sheer revulsion that it has caused but clearly they realize, clearly, that this was no good

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of tears. you're looking right now tribute outside the lindt cafe where gunman isis captive ts, two of the captives lost their lives. we learned one perhaps both died trying to save otherings. more on that now from our anna cork. >> reporter: tonight of harrowing escapes and desperate moments emerge, exact details about the final moments of the sydney siege are unknown. >> i do feel we've lost our innocence. >> reporter: citizens of sydney tend to replace the grim scenes with bright memorials to those whose last hours were so dark. >> he's wasted two very precious

lives and one of them was my friend. >> reporter: the gunman who traumatized so many here, the lindt lindt chocolat cafe died with two of his hostages. tori johnson, age 34, was a beloved manager at the chocolat cafe. >> he was a really sweet, loving, caring person. >> reporter: johnson's family released a statement monday describing him as the most amazing life partner, son, and brother we could ever wish for. reports that johnson attempted to grab the gunman's weapon had not been confirmed but come as no surprise to his friends. >> if he was in there, he wasn't coming out until everyone else was. he just wasn't the kind of person to put his hands up and leave. >> these were decent, good people who were going about their ordinary lives. >> reporter: katrina dawson, a 38-year-old mother of three, also perished here but was far from ordinary. the local bar association president described the accomplished legal mind as one

of our best and brightest barristers who will be greatly missed by her colleagues and friends. according to local reports, dawson was killed trying to shield a pregnant friend from the gunman. the news unbearable to report for a local broadcaster who knew her family. >> a sister of one of channel 7's -- >> sandy dawson who i know and i have friends who know she was a mother of three children. >> reporter: as flowers replaced footsteps on one of sydney's busiest thoroughfares, the process of healing begins, one embrace at a time. anna coren, cnn, sydney. >> in the meantime, more come to light. greg park for one. he gave emergency responders a knew of the cafe that made their life-saving job that much easier. he's a camera man for 7 news in australia that looks out on to the lindt cafe. he monitored with a sniper in

position in the office ready to fire. greg parker takes it from there. >> i was in awe of the way they handled it and the patience they showed because there are tried and proven methods of how to get the best possible result and that was constantly being relayed to us. >> reporter: but their patience ran out with the echo of a single gunshot. >> we heard a shot, he confirmed hostage down, window two. six seconds later, we saw the special forces guys breach. it was pretty loud, pretty frightening. it's like nothing i've ever seen before ever. the moment he crossed the line of taking down a hostage, it was a forced action from police.

though in my mind and probably anyone else's seeing it. the only thing they weren't going to sit around and wait for another hostage to have the same fight. >> just an incredible event. that decision when to launch a trade, when to pull the trigger has so much riding on it. a lot of training goes into making sure it's the right decision as our martin savidge found out firsthand at a private security firm in north carolina. take a look. >> reporter: it's the moment of truth. a s.w.a.t. unit makes entry and thanks to our cameras, you are part of the team. it's over in seconds, and if it's done right, the bad guys are down and the hostages safe. it may look easy. it's anything but. as i find out by putting on body armor and eye protection because this is live ammunition. following the team on a special training range. >> so i'm just looking for any threat that might appear.

>> reporter: the man paused at an entrance. one arm placed on the person in front and they're all within physical contact because this is how you're going to communicate. >> yep. >> reporter: they have radios, but critical movement commands are communicated by a squeeze. antec skaneki will be the first man in and likely the first target. you know that going in. you brace, you prepare, menially think about it or shut it out? >> you just do what you're trained to do. >> reporter: depending on the situation, the go command may come from a police chief, a governor, a general, or even the president. each team member has a specific area of each room to focus upon. who decides who shoots? you've got four of you. >> yep, again, it's broken down to areas of responsibility. so typically we go, you know, right, left, right, left. >> reporter: once through the door, the last team member acts

as a rear guard then the roles quickly switch. last in becomes first out. in realtime, it happens faster than i can describe and is repeated until all rooms are clear. once you've reached the last room, what happens then? >> back clear. >> reporter: in other words, do it again. just to be sure. the training has to be as real as possible which is why this woman does what we might consider crazy. volunteering to be a hostage, crouching in a room where the team will enter firing real ammunition at targets. just a few feet away. and this is the view if the hostage was you. the aim has to be perfect and it is. i think you can see the accuracy. and how does the team feel about snipers? but if a sniper has a shot is that the preferred -- >> absolutely. >> reporter: why?

>> if you can see eliminate any threat before we go in there, that's better. >> reporter: at the end of yet another run-through, i ask, what is the biggest fear then? >> getting to that hostage quickly and the biggest fear is that you don't get there in time. >> reporter: so the team will spend hours practicing just to shave off a few seconds because in their line of work, time isn't money. it's quite possibly the difference between life and death. >> martin savidge joins us now from north carolina. it's incredible, martin, when you think about the response by law enforcement in sydney, australia. they had six seconds. they basically went in six seconds after that shot was heard, and that was after, you know, more than 12 hours, 14 hours. they were standing around basically on a hair trigger ready to go in on a matter of seconds. the guys you're with are using live ammunition in the training. why is that so important? >> reporter: because of what you

described. they may have hours or days to prepare or maybe only have minutes. and the reality is, anderson, they're not shooting for the movies. they're shooting for keeps. so reality dictates. they've got to use real ammunition. they've got to shoot on targets. they have to know everything as best they can as to what it will be like when everything is on the line. >> and also i mean you're in the facility right now that they use. they obviously when they go into a facility like that they have no idea maybe how many potential targets there are. >> reporter: right. i mean, a lot of what you don't see is prior to force being used like that is they are gathering intel. they can understand how many hostages or how many gunmen are there and where are they located and where are the good guys and bad guys? that's all important to know. this particular facility on a thousand acres of land called the range complex in north carolina. it has two shoot houses which is one i'm in, a thousand feet. they're set up like a house or like an office or like a building and

they have observation posts for training purposes. even the walls specially designed, their concrete but they're shock-absorbing concrete. usually bullets ricochet off the cement. here they get eaten by the cement which is good. they can use the rooms over and over again. the more they practice, the better they'll be, god forbid if they have to be used. >> remarkable skill and bravery. martin savidge, thank you very much. a new group behind the sony hacking now targeting people, they say, who go see a movie set to open on christmas.

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hey, welcome back. there are new developments tonight in the sony hacking stories. you know the hackers threatened a 9/11-style attack on theaters if the studio releases the upcoming movie "the interview" about killing kim jong-un. sony executives are in the words of "the times" in their reporting, all but inviting theaters not to run the movie if they don't want to. cnn justice correspondent pamela brown joins me now with the latest. so, first of all, what's with the threat, how authentic do law enforcement actually believe it is? >> reporter: well, anderson, this threat is reportedly coming from the sony hackers who call themselves guardians of peace and it appears to be an attempt to ratchet up fear to the controversial comedy about north korean leader kim jong-un, releasing next week on christmas. the homeland security department is investigating it and similar

to a bomb threat but seeing if this threat is actually coming from the original sony hackers. we're told at this point there's no credible intelligence to indicate an active plot against movie theaters in the u.s., but quite a reaction from this. we know that the stars of the film, seth rogen, james franco canceled all their press appearances for today and tomorrow after this release. >> is it known yet who is behind the hacks? >> that is the big question. u.s. authorities have a strong suspicion of who instigated the attack but told by sources not enough evidence at this point in the investigation to actually point a finger at the culprit. for right now sources say, though, that all clues are pointing to north korea, investigators are looking into the possibility, as well, that the reclusive country outsourced it to hackers in a different country in retall indication for that movie but cyberinvestigations are nuanced, complex and they're sophisticated and had access to their computer system for months before the fbi was called in. that's a lot of time for them to do damage and cover their track.

>> amazing to know they had access to it for months and nobody was able to pick up on it. >> that's the hard part about these cyberinvestigations. a lot of times it comes down to detection for the company to catch on quickly to the hacker. we learned the hackers penetrated it as early as the summer, anderson, then the fbi was called in in november. it's unclear, though, when the company actually caught wind that their system was hacked into. >> extraordinary. pamela brown. there's lot more happening. susan hurricane directioendrick. >> reporter: jeb bush announced on facebook and twitter he will actively explore the possibility of running for president in 2016 and setting up political action committee as well. this is the first official sign the former republican governor of florida could try to follow governor and brother for white house. los angeles prosecutors say bill cosby will not be charged with a crime after a woman claimed he molested her at the playboy mansion in 1974. this statute of limitations has expired.

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well, the family of an ohio man shot dead at a walmart filed a federal lawsuit against the police and the store. 22-year-old john crawford iii was killed in august while talking on his phone and carrying a pellet rifle he had picked up from a shelf. this happened just four days before michael brown was shot in missouri. in this case, the grand jury cleared the police officer of any wrongdoing but police

investigating mr. crawford's girlfriend just after the shooting has been racing more questions and controversies. here's ana cabrera. >> where did you get this? >> sir, i don't know. i swear to god. i don't know. on everything i love, you can give me a lie detector test and everything. >> reporter: just newly released video from inside the interrogation room. beaver creek police lieutenant rodney kurt grills tasha thomas, the girlfriend of john crawford iii. it's just minutes after police opened fire killing crawford inside an ohio walmart. >> why would he have a gun in the walmart? >> i don't know. >> does he carry a gun? >> i've never known -- >> reporter: this is the incident all caught on camera, surveillance video on august 5th shows crawford wandering the aisles, talking on the phone and carrying what looks like a rifle. a concerned customer called 911 and police responded. >> holding a gun. pointing it. >> i'm in the walmart. did you say he's pointing it at people?

>> affirmative, 930. >> reporter: crawford's family argues crawford never had a chance. the video shows he had back to police and was on the phone when they approached and the officers opened fire just one second after they confronted crawford. >> one of these is a real gun and one of these is the gun mr. crawford was carrying that day. as you can see, it's very hard to tell the difference. >> reporter: it turns out crawford was holding a pellet gun he had picked up from a store shelf, not a rifle. in september, a grand jury chose not to indict the officers on any charges. the family is now filing a federal lawsuit against police and walmart. saying the pellet gun should have been locked up and police should have done due diligence before opening fire. the city responded with this statement, "we believe the evidence will prove that the officer's actions were legally justified." walmart expressed condolences and said, quote, our associates acted properly.

>> i'm still pursuing justice because to me that is justice. you have to be held accountable. you don't get a pass because you have a sidearm and a shield. >> reporter: crawford's family said he wasn't a criminal, he was a customer and now an innocent victim. they believe police tried to cover up their mistake afterwards by trying to coerce tasha thomas into saying something that might justify the shooting. >> we're investigating a serious incident. >> i know. >> you lie to me and you might be on your way to jail so i'm going to be very clear. >> i swear to god. >> you were with him just moments before this happened. you need to tell me the truth. >> i am. i swear to god. i swear to god i am. i swear to god. >> are you under the influence of anything? >> no. >> have you been drinking? >> no. >> drugs? >> no, no. >> your eyes are kind of messed up looking and eyes are lethargic. i don't know if you're upset or not.

>> reporter: for 90 minutes this goes before thomas finally learns her boyfriend is dead. >> well, to let you know, unfortunately, john has passed away as a result of this. i don't know any other way to tell you. i mean, what happened there wasn't a good thing and as a result of his actions he is gone. >> and ana cabrera joining us now. the lawyer saying the interrogation was inappropriate. did the detective have an explanation for how he went on with the interrogation? >> reporter: first of all, police say there was no coercion. the detective said he was questioning thomas based on the information he was given from police on the scene of the shooting, and he said they initially did think that crawford was carrying a real rifle and that he had brought it into the store, and so he says in his questioning of thomas, he really was just searching for answers, anderson. >> all right, ana cabrera. thanks very much. joining me now is cnn legal analyst and former

federal prosecutor, sunny hostin also a former police detective. sunny, let me start with you about the interrogation. police are allowed to interrogate somebody as long as they've read them their miranda rights and informed them of what's going on, they're allowed to lie or do anything in an interrogation. do you see anything inappropriate? maybe it was tough. >> it certainly wasn't sensitive but i don't see anything per se inappropriate. you can lie and they're never pretty. >> you can do whatever. >> you're not supposed to push people but you can be hostile. you can be duplicitous or lie. >> i don't mean literally push people. >> you can lie. i'm not troubled by the interrogation. what i am troubled by is the actual shooting and i'm troubled by the shooting because ohio is an open carry law. so to walk around a walmart with a real gun, with a real rifle, is not against the law. so i am surprised that the officers would run in and under one second, assess that threat, find him to be threatening and

shoot to kill. that is what's troubling to me. >> harry, what about that? i mean, do you think -- what are your thoughts? >> well, if you look at the video itself, it shows the officers approach him. he did drop the gun. all right. then the police officer comes into the video. you can see him now. and the gentleman comes back towards the weapon and that's when the officer shoots him. now, the officer is now perceiving a threat. i mean, we can't hear any audio. we don't see if the officer is yelling and screaming at him but, see, the weapon is down. the officer comes to the scene. he comes back. now the officer is thinking this guy is going for the gun. i've got to get the first shot off. that's what happens. >> sunny, when you look at the two, one is the rifle from the store and one is the actual rifle. when you look, it is hard to tell the difference. >> it is hard to distinguish it, no question about it. but the bottom line is it wasn't against the law in ohio and, in particular, in walmart which has a policy of allowing people to open carry within their stores

to carry a real gun. so it's a sort of distinction. it didn't matter if it was a real rifle or not. >> is the store liable at all because it wasn't in a package? it was on a shelf, he was able to pick it up? >> well, certainly it's against the position to be sitting around. it was supposed to be, my understanding is it was supposed to be kept away, locked away. and then when you purchase it, you're supposed to be escorted out of the store with it or at least to the gun. so, yes, walmart has a place in this. but i think that we need to really look at the officer's actions. i think we need to look at the officer's training. i do not understand how, based on a 911 call on ea dispatch that you discharge your weapon and shoot to kill in an open carry state in under one second. it is to me just a clear, clear violation -- >> the harry, the fact that it's an open carry state, should that make a difference? >> yes but they got a call.

listen to the 911 tapes here and what information was given to the officer at the time. they went in thinking somebody was pointing a weapon at somebody based on the one call we're hearing about and took a look at that and why did that man come back towards the weapon? i'm sure the police officers were yelling at him. >> to you that's the critical moment. >> i would have shot him exactly the same. i would have shot him because if i didn't and he was going towards the weapon, the first shot gets off and he gets me. >> sunny, the fact he seemed to be going back for the weapon, does that influence you? >> it does not, especially because of the time frame. i mean we're talking about one second. one second. >> because you're not witnessing the threat. >> one second. i don't think you can determine it's a threat. in under one second. >> when you're not facing the threat itself. when you're facing that threat, a millisecond, you might be dead or you're alive. and that's the kind of decision police officers have to make on the street or they don't go home at night. >> we'll see what happens. obviously, this lawsuit is going on. sunny hostin, thank you very much.

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in a wooded area. 's parentally died of a self-inflicted wound. the former marine was wanted in the shootings of his ex-wife and five of her relatives. they have shaken several small communities northwest of philadelphia. our jason carol tonight has the latest. >> reporter: the end of a manhunt for an alleged mass murder came early tuesday afternoon in a wooded area in eastern pennsylvania. this after bradley stone apparently took his own life. >> we have not received official confirmation from the coroner as to the cause and manner of the death but based upon what we found at the scene, we believe that he died of self-inflicted cutting wounds. >> reporter: police say early monday morning stone shot and killed his ex-wife nicole hill and five former in-laws as well as wounding another former in-law. stone did not hurt his two daughters who were living with hill. >> all of the sudden, i heard pop like, and i knew, i was pretty sure that was a gunshot. >> reporter: one of hill's

neighborhoods who did not want us to show her face heard gunfire and she knew instantly hill was in trouble. she said to everybody. >> reporter: investigators now developing a profile of stone one which could help uncover a motive for the horrific crime. he's a former marine reservist who spent about three months in iraq. he was awarded several medals including the iraq campaign service medal. stone's friend says he had a love of country and cannot understand how he would be capable of murder. >> the guy was just outgoing. i mean he just -- he was full of joy. i don't understand why he would do something like this, let alone how many lives have been taken. >> reporter: aside from traffic violations, stone's criminal record was clean. records show last week he filed a motion seeking custody of his two daughters. after the divorce, the couple fought frequently, hill's

neighbors said. >> my personal opinion wasn't so much about his children as loss of control with nicole. >> reporter: among stone's likes on what is believed to be his facebook page, the marines, the national center for ptsd and ptsd veteran self-help links and this quote, i come in peace. i didn't bring artillery but i am pleading with you with tears in my eyes. if you [ bleep ] with me, i'll kill you all. hill's neighbor and friend relieved the manhunt is finally over. she only wishes someone had heeded hill's warnings. >> she actually said he's going to put a bullet in my head and nobody believes me and nobody listens to me and when it happens, everybody's going to be like, what happened? oh, my gosh. shocked and she says, nobody listens to me. >> jason carroll joins me now. any word on how his daughters are doing? >> reporter: well, anderson, i guess that's one of the real tragic parts of this story. two children, young girls, 5 and 8 years old, no immediate family, no extended family to

speak of at this point because of what happened here. that was raised here earlier in a press conference. what is going to happen to these two little girls? right now, they're in protective custody and ultimately, anderson, it will probably be the courts that end up deciding what happens to them. >> i mean, given, you know, his web -- the stuff he was interested in on facebook, is there any indication, i mean, did he have ptsd? >> reporter: it's debatable, and the reason why i say that is because, you know, it was clear that he was being treated for some sort of stress disorder. that is clear. but when you speak to those who knew him like this one woman we spoke to, the neighbor who was friends with nicole, she did not believe that was the case. she said, according to her, he never saw active duty when he was overseas for up to some four months, i believe, when serving over in iraq and that's first. and, second, it was her belief that what happened has more to

do with control, control over nicole, control over the two little girls. >> it's horrific for them and all the families involved. jason carroll, appreciate that. we have a lot more ahead. "the ridiculist" is coming up. so i'll make you smile on the end of a very difficult date. we'll be right back. hing... watch out for that enemy turret, koshka! i got it, glaive! alright, now let's destroy the vain crystal! wait, i'm going to upgrade from barbed needle to serpent mask. i'm going to buy some minion candy too. don't forget an eclipse prism. why would i want an eclipse prism in a situation like this? stop playing like a noob, glaive. oh... really koshka? like the time you took on adagio with nothing but some journey boots and a scout trap? i knew you were going to bring that up! ♪

time now for "the ridiculist." and tonight with the tale of two political operative, one democrat, and one republican who are brothers.

brad and dallas woodhouse were on c-span and the mood at least was at the beginning jocular. >> i had no idea he would be a right wing republican nut. >> i don't know about that. i think my brother grew up left and comes here, once you come up to washington, your brain gets poisoned as we see constantly as people who come up here. >> so the brothers are promoting a documentary called "woodhouse divided" looking at both poignant and political dynamics. since they're brothering and virtually agree on nothing politically, their c-span appearance evolved into this. >> the republicans ran on nothing, ran just on anti-obama. so i -- >> what did the democrats run on? what did your candidates run on? >> i'm talking about -- >> what did your candidates run on? >> the tea party was a creation of the insurance companies. >> oh, my god. >> it was funded by the -- >> ten-four, alert. >> all right, and then as often

is the case on c-span, they start taking calls live on air. >> now in raleigh, north carolina. >> somebody from down south. >> you're right, i'm from down south. >> oh, god, it's mom. >> and i'm your mother, and i disagree that all families are like ours. i don't know many families that are fighting at thanksgiving. >> is this really your mother? >> yes, it's our mom. >> i was very glad that this thanksgiving was a year that you two were supposed to go to your in-laws, and i'm hoping you'll have some of this out of your system when you come here for christmas. >> yeah, we were not together this thanksgiving. we are most years. >> i would really like a peaceful christmas, and i love you both. >> no question who won that debate. one, mrs. joy woodhouse. from now on whenever pundits argue on television, i want their moms to call in and tell them to get it out of their systems so they can have a peaceful christmas.

it had to be disarming. you're on television, and then your mom calls. got to come back when there's something like that. oh, really? someone's on the phone. hello? i know as well as anyone. >> hello? >> mom. >> hello, anderson, darling. it's your mother. listen, i was watching your show and i just had to call in and say how proud i am of you. you know, i'd never embarrass you on the air, but i just wanted to let you know how much i'm enjoying this segment. i hope i'm not getting you at a bad time. >> no, no. this is a great time, mom. it's a perfect time to calm. what are you doing? >> what, sweetheart? >> what are you doing? >> well, i'm watching you. i'm watching you on the air as i do every night. i'm glued. >> you're glued. >> i'm glued from, you know, 8:00 to 9:00. >> all right, mom. well, thank you very much for calling in. >> okay, sweetheart. love you.

>> love you too. bye. ah. now, i know as well as anyone you should always listen to your mother in life and on "the ridiculist." hey, that does it for us. >> the following is a cnn special report. >> i'm andersson cooper. welcome to this special report "extraordinary people." >> i'm robin mead. if you look back and weren't sure if you had that in you. we look at that aspect in extraordinary people. >> people who rise to occasions and in some cases didn't know they had it in them. in the next hour, you meet people like gary donilon. who plunged his helicopter into thick smoke to lead away from certain death. and ron johnson, the state highway patrol captain. he took a unique approach to