morning north korea's involvement is looking ever more certain. we have all the angles covered, starting with pamela brown live from washington. >> i spoke to a source with firsthand knowledge of what's going on. we've learned that conversations changed yesterday after there was a threat reportedly from the sony hackers, sony is saying it is not pulling its movies, it is leaving up to theaters and a number of theaters have decided to pull the film. and we expect the dominos to continue to fall today. >> kim jong-un wants to do an interview with dave skylark? >> amid threats from hackers to call off the christmas release, sony says it has no plans to pull its upcoming movie "the interview." >> take him out. >> you want us to kill the leader of north korea? >> now developing a person close to the situation says sony would not object if theaters decide to pull it from their box offices. >> you want to go kill kim jong-un? >> car mike cinemas, the first

movie chain to pull the plug from their more than 270 theaters across more than 40 states. landmark theaters also bailing, canceling thursday's premiere in new york. even the film's star, seth rogan and james franco dropping out of all media appearances this week. this fear in the movie industry prompted by a new threatening american, purportedly by the sony hackers. the fbi investigating their promise of a bitter fate to anyone who sees the controversial north korean comedy. the message says "soon all the world will see what an awful movie sony pictures entertainment has made. the world will be full of fear. remember the 11th of september 2001." >> now they've got threats against people who go see the movie. be careful. they're threatening the families of sony employees. this has taken hacking to a level that we've never seen before. >> this week, a leaked scene from the film was posted, showing the gruesome assassination of north korean

leader kim jong-un. something the country condemns as an act of war. u.s. law enforcement sources tell cnn is that the strong suspicion is that reclusive country is the instigator of the hack and possibly outsourced it to a group elsewhere as retaliation for the controversial film. the fbi is scrubbing sony's computer system, trying to gather enough evidence to be able to definitively point the finger at the hacking culprit. >> it is a complex nuanced investigation. the sophisticated hackers have gone through multiple multiple infrastructures to get to where they've gotten to. so it's not something that sony is going to solve in a day or a week or a month. >> now hollywood studios are breaking their silence on the cyberattack. the motion picture association of america releasing a statement saying that it supports sony during this difficult time. but it is clear, alisyn and chris, that the hackers are now trying to ratchet up fear leading up to the expected release of the movie next week.

and now as we see a number of theaters pulling out. >> absolutely, what a complicated situation, pamela brown thanks so much. the terror threats over the controversial movie have sony pictures in a bind. the movie's studio patient company is based in tokyo. that is not showing the film in japanese theaters, and the pending worldwide release of the film is straining an already-fractured relationship between japan and north korea. cnn's will ripley joins us live from tokyo. what do we know, will? >> well we know that the heads of sony are now facing serious questions from the japanese government right here in tokyo. they want to know why sony, a japanese company, would allow their american subsidiary to release a film that could potentially have very serious geopolitical geopolitical ramifications in this country. for years, the threats from north korea was isolated to threats of nuclear program. but now if indeed north korea is behind this hacking, cyberattack, in essence, this

levels the playing field that allows the small reclusive country that many people didn't take seriously to now create fear, the kind of fear that's causing movie cancellations in the united states and has essentially paralyzed sony pictures entertainment. humiliated executives and stars and raises a lot of serious questions. >> will, thanks so much for that update. let's go over to chris. >> let's bring in brian stelter, cnn media correspond and the host of reliable sources and daveed gartenstein-ross, senior fellow for the center for democracy. brian, right move? or is there, is there more information on this threat that makes this okay for sony to kind of succeconcede here? >> we have effectively letting foreign hackers, anonymous hackers, maybe a bunch of punks in front of computer screens in the middle of nowhere. determine what movies can be

shown in american theaters, this is very troubling and i think it has freedom of expression issues down the line. >> sometimes it has actionable intelligence, there is a real threat. and of course, this other phase, which sony was pushing the don't enable hackers, by reporting on hacked emails angle. but now, what is more enabling than conceding to their threats? >> absolutely. i highly doubt that there's actionable intelligence indicating there would be a huge threat against movie theaters. if you look at very competent terrorist groups, they've been making threats against the united states for a long time and we haven't let that deter activities at home. there's something else that may be going on. which is we're looking just at the threats that have been made publicly. there could be some private threats, some blackmail or something else they're threatening to do behind the scenes that's causing this back-tracking by sony and some others. it's a very disturbing situation, this essentially a hecklers veto. >> a heckler's veto.

a strong phrase for this i want to get back to that in a second. let's shift to rogan and franco, okay? now they're not going to do any media, they just said. but they've been out there, right? and they've been saying don't go after people's private emails, this is wrong. but now aren't they arguably subverting the first amendment right, the freedom of expression, in movies that were seen as controversial since movie bees again. >> if we could see the emails right now between seth roggin and the studio and james franco, i bet they would be saying do not let the hackers win. don't pull the movie from theaters. >> they knew every question they would get from the interviewers was about this kind of threat. sony has some options. theater owners might decide to pull this movie from their christmas day slate but sony could also release it online. they could make it available video on demand. could you pay $10 and watch it at home. >> all versions of the same move. >> i do think when you take on a project like this, as a rogan

and a franco, i get that it's a silly movie, probably won't be well reviewed. if you want to own it and come out and start talking about the media's responsibility, think about your own. >> i think they probably got handcuffed by sony yesterday. they probably want to do press. >> you said something, daveed that we want to follow up on. a heckler's veto. we have to think seriously about how as a state, a sovereign, you deal with hacking. if somebody connected to north korea had broken into sony's headquarters and stolen their file cabinet, you would be hearing from the u.s. government all over the place about this. but we're really not hearing much. where's the u.s. government on this? >> well now that you have this latest threat being made, the u.s. government has a lot more opportunity to actually intervene and take a part in this. but i think that actually we should have a can conversation about how much the u.s. government should be involved. i think it should be. essentially what you should be it seems is a foreign power

engaging in a cyberattack against a private actor, a private company, in order to squash freedom of expression. i should note this is not the first time this has happened in recent months. >> you could argue it doesn't get enough attention. if you do something to bricks and mortar, you do something to the real world, everybody takes it too seriously. if you do it online, they don't. here's the big question, brian, i'll give it to you -- okay. let's say the u.s. does come out. let's say they do connect it to north korea. now what are you going to do? >> i don't think they want to answer those questions. i think that's why yesterday, the state department spokeswoman said this is just a comedic movie, not a documentary, so the government is not taking a position on it. >> there was a german movie about president george w. bush getting assassinated. nothing like this happened. was it because we didn't have the capabilities of hacking? or is it that it's north korea. >> there was widespread condemnation of that film, it wasn't nearly as high-profile, and we're in a different environment. every year it feels like the

world gets smaller and more connected. what about plot lines of china or any other country that might object to some american comedy in the future? >> one other point, daveed, after aurora, colorado, "the dark knight" was pulled from a lot of places. they shifted the release date on it. they changed their plan. but that was about tone and about respect for the violence that had just occurred. this is a very different situation. this is a capitulation, isn't it in. >> it is. it's absolutely capitulation. with the example of the german firm showing the assassination of george w. bush, one of the reasons they didn't have to fear a u.s. cyberattack is we don't do that in response to films mocking our politicians. having a world in which only the politicians of democratic states can be mocked, whereas those of states that engage in this kind of unethical behavior are beyond reproach because people are afraid of them is a very dangerous world to be in. >> so today theater owners can decide, whether to be crippled

by this, whether to be terrorized by this or whether to have a backbone. >> is it right to put it on them? don't think they should start at the top in. >> sony has indicated, if you want to pull the movie from theaters, we understand. the question becomes, will sony put it online and let you pay a few bucks to watch it let's say it's on your comcast video on demand system next week. will comcast of the world be concerned about being hacked as well. >> once you give a threat power, it becomes somehow more realistic. we'll have to see how it plays out politically. i wonder if the white house is holding off on the situation because of what came out in the emails? i wonder if they're not taking as much ownership because of the situation because of that speculation? what do you think, would you go see the movie? do you think it should be released? do you think it's too dangerous? go to facebook.com/"new day" or tweet us. ten minutes past the hour.

we want to update you on a situation if afghanistan. a bloody siege inside an afghanistan bank has come to a tragic end, four armed saerngs, including a suicide bomber, stormed a bank in helmand province. they exchanged gunfire with security forces, eight people were killed and more than a dozen others wounded when the forces rushed inside killing the attackers. among the dead, five civilians, a police officer and two soldiers. breaking overnight, australia's prime minister has pledged an urgent joint review into the siege in sydney that left two hostages and the gunman dead. prime minister tony abbott says there will be a hard look at gun law there is and a firm review into who should be on the country's active terror watch list. in the meantime, a beautiful and makeshift memorial for the victims is growing at the scene of the attack. tearful australians have been lining up laying thousands upon thousands of bouquets of flowers at the site. while you were sleeping,

president obama signed a $1.1 trillion spending bill, to fund most government agencies through september of next year. one big exception is the department of homeland security which gets a funding extension only through the end of february. the bill passed by congress last week, lifted the threat of a government shutdown. los angeles prosecutors will not file child sex abuse charges against bill could bey. saying the allegations surpass the state statute of limitations. alleged victim judy huth has filed a civil suit claiming cosby forced her to perform a sex act on him in 1974 when she was 15 years old. cosby's daughter, evan, is coming to her father's defense releasing a statement that says he is the father you thought you knew, the "cosby show" was my today's tv reality show. thank you, that's all i would like to say. >> she said more in that statement, she said she thinks the accusers should go to

prison. she thinks any accuser, because she believes her father is innocent, should have to go to prison. it's a very emotional response. >> first we hear from her mother and now his daughter. >> you're starting to hear that side of the controversy. which is, you know, do these stories hold up? are these women who asked for money before, that they came forward with this? and i think you're going to start to hear more of that. it is interesting that part of the defense is, he is the character that you saw on television. >> isn't that an interesting argument they're making? >> that's an unusual thing. what is happening with the weather? let's get to meteorologist chad myers, keeping track the forecast for us. >> good weather for you. today it's going to be 55 degrees in new york city. can't argue with that in december, you don't get that very often. it's raining in boston, snowing in maine and i get that part. you get to the north, farther into the interior, it's going to be not as warm, only 39 in buffalo, 40 in syracuse. 47 in boston in that rain. the next big story is the rain across the deep south it comes

in for tomorrow into friday. there was a potential for this storm to turn left and make a snow event for the northeast. i don't think that happens. i think it stays to the south and makes all rain. there could be a winter mix in the poconos and such. but for the most part this going to be rain-maker and rain in l.a. and phoenix this morning. so if you're traveling out there, expect significant delays through l.a.x., maybe still into san francisco. but raining in the valley of the sun in the middle of the night. guys, back to you. >> poetic. thank you. >> he's a poet. let's talk about one of our top stories, 145 people, mostly students, slaughtered by the taliban inside their school in pakistan. counterterrorism officials call this attack unprecedented. so will this be the tipping point for the pakistani government to try new tactics against the taliban? we're taking a closer look. this next story is not hype -- russia's economy is on the brink of collapse.

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there will be three days of mourning in pakistan after the taliban school massacre there. 145 people were killed, 132 of them children. families are holding the first funerals and there will be many more to come. u.s. counterterrorism officials call tuesday's attack unprecedented. but it could also be a sign of things to come and that reality could have big implications for the pakistan and u.s. military. could this be a new era for both? we have michelle stockman live in islamabad with the latest. michelle? >> this is a country shocked, peshawar is a city paralyzed. this is a nation that is largely

politically divided, trying to unite today to show a strong response in the face of this horrible terrorist attack that took the lives of so many innocent schoolchildren. we have more details of what happened inside the school. one math teacher said that the gunman dressed in uniforms, lured children who were hiding away from their hiding places, saying they were safe and subsequently shot them. this is just something that's outraged the nation, the pakistani prime minister has said in response that he will lift a moratorium on the death penalty in the country in terrorism cases. in response to this attack. now, will this deter future attacks? it's unlikely. as the taliban has shown again and again that they're willing to die in their mission to overthrow the pakistani state. so chris, it's a rough day here, back to you. >> all right, michelle thank you very much for the reporting. we know this is a difficult situation there.

alisyn? let's bring in the former ambassador to the united nations for special political affairs, stewart holliday, he's also the president of the meridian international center, good morning, mr. holliday. was this attack in pakistan so heinous and the numbers so staggering that today it somehow changes the way pakistan treats it, handles their tactics against the taliban? >> two questions, one is this so heinous that it's a tipping point in their intention? yes. this was the worst attack in recent memory, it's not a new attack. but the scale and the scope and the fact that this was targeting children in the military means that there's going to be a major push, a major offensive. the challenge is what are the options for pakistan's army? they've been at this for a while, they're going to keep pushing in the tribal areas in waziristan, but there's also topography, the people are spread out and they can move around. so they're going to be full-on,

but the question is how effective are they going to be in stamping this out completely. >> well that is the question, you say that they're going to be full on, does that suggest that up until now, they have not done a full sort of scorched earth policy in terms of taking out the taliban? >> well it's been tricky for them, historically, the tribal areas have been allowed a level of autonomy. there had been u.s. drone strikes of course. in fact killing a couple of the leaders of this very group, the taliban in pakistan. so they have had to walk a fine line. but i think the fine line becomes less important for them now, the domestic outrage over this is going to push them to take more robust and public action. >> what about the regular pakistani people? were there people who up until yesterday did sort of sympathize with the taliban, well, i think it's a mixed bag. there's an ethnic split there. there are people who see this as

a way to keep afghanistan on its heels. but as soon as this comes home, there were sort of a tacit support for the taliban in afghanistan. but as soon as the institutions of the pakistani government and the army had been targeted, i do think this change as lot of people's minds. and it's muslim-on-muslim violence. it's very cathartic for the pakistani society. >> it is muslim-on-muslim violence. can you explain to us how it behooves the taliban in any possible thinking to kill muslim children? >> well, in their narrative, the army is an instrument that is collaborated with the west. and their mission is to liberate pakistan from western influence and to impose sharia law. so for their very zealous and radical standpoint, they're targeting the institution they think is a tool of the west. and i know that's difficult for us to hear in the united states, who see many problems with

pakistan. the fact that we would be perceived that way. but so is the saudi government. so are other moderate governments throughout the middle east. >> as we just heard from our reporter, the prime minister just a few hours ago announced lifting the moratorium on the death penalty in cases like this does that matter? when we're talking about suicide bombers, that hardly seems like a deterrent. >> i don't think it's much of a deterrent. but i think they needed to make some sort of public statement. they needed to demonstrate seriousness. you know, and in this case, these people are not going to be deterred by anything. except for you know, frankly, you know, military offensive that's going to you know, push them and limit their ability to carry out these attacks. you remember these are the same people behind the times square bombing as well. it's not just in pakistan, but their ability to carry out attacks elsewhere. >> you believe that what we saw yesterday was an act of desperation by the taliban.

what do you mean? >> well, we, the pakistani army has been moving around the tribal areas and has wrapped up a number of rings and this is a statement that basically indicates they're feeling the heat. they're feeling the pressure. again, it's one of those complicated things where you look at a situation like this, you say, well that means they're sophisticated and strong. but the very fact that they had to do this to take this risk, indicates that they're you know, seeking to stay legitimate and to show that they still have some power. and that means they're under pressure. >> ambassador stuart holliday, we'll see what happens going forward after this most heinous attack yesterday. thanks so much for your insight. >> thank you. >> we're going to stay on top of this story. this morning we'll speak exclusively with the former president of pakistan, general pervez musharraf, stay tuned for that. russia's economy is in freefall, a combination of

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american sanctions sets to target various sectors of the russian economy, particularly the high-tech oil industry and arms exporters as well. interesting that the sanctions will also allow the united states to provide lethal military aid to ukraine. whereof course russia is accused of being involved in a separatist rebellion in the east of the country. so potentially sanctions could make life for russians more

difficult than they are president obama has stressed he may not implement the sanctions. much will depend on what russia's actions are. it's been cowed somewhat by the economic crisis, its currency has plunged nearly 60% against the u.s. dollar. it's stabilized somewhat now as the finance ministry starts to use its reserves of foreign currency to try to shore up the russian ruble. but it's going to depend in the words of the secretary of state, john kerry, on the actions of president putin. we'll get a better read on what he intends to do to tackle this crisis when he gives list annual press conference. about this time tomorrow. it usually lasts for about four or five hours and it's a once in a year opportunity for him to ask questions, to answer questions albeit staged questions, for the most part. from the russian public and from journalists about the year that has just preceded. obviously the focus is very much going to be we expect on the economic crisis. alisyn? >> matthew, quickly sanctions have been around for some time.

how this week did it get so bad? >> well, the crisis in russia is not just about sanctions. it first and foremost, it's about the oil price. you know crude oil is very much linked to the russian ruble. the ruble rises and falls with the price of crude. and as crude has descended, it's been dragging down the russian currency. the sanctions that have targeted russian companies, preventing them from taking out bank loans in western banks has been very damaging as well. that's been added to by the oil price plunge and the two combined along with other economic problems in russia have led to the economic crisis. so it's not just the sanctions, but they're definitely an aggravating factor. >> fascinating. matthew chance, thanks for explaining that to us, there's more headlines, over to michaela. >> good morning once again everyone. sony pictures is telling theaters they can pull the film, "the interview" after

cyberhackers threatened attacks against theaters that show the film. one major theater chain has canceled the film and a big premiere set for tomorrow in new york has been scrubbed. the fbi and homeland security are investigating the threat. an intense manhunt in pennsylvania is now over. after an iraq war veteran accused of murdering his ex-wife and her family was found dead after an apparent suicide. bradley william stone's body was discovered in the woods near his home two days after he was suspected of killing his ex-wife, and five of his former in-laws, including a 14-year-old girl. officials say stone appeared to have died of self-inflicted wounds to the center of his body. several people were injured after an american airlines jet hit severe turbulence in south korea. they will arrive in texas, their destination this morning. the dallas-fort worth plane was forced to make an emergency landing in tokyo. 14 people needed medical attention. american airlines say four passengers and a crew member were taken to the hospital, none

of their injuries are life-threatening. i love this story. you know, no matter how old you get, your mom is always your mom. and she can still make you feel like you might just get your mouth washed out with soap. brothers dallas and brad woodhouse were debating bipartisanship on c-span on their "washington joirnl" they got a surprising call on air. >> i was very glad that this thanksgiving was a year that you two were supposed to go to your in laws. and i'm hoping you'll have some of this out of your system when you come here for christmas. >> that's mom, joy. i love joy. she could not help but take matters into her own hands and call into the show when she saw her boys arguing. both men as you saw, held their faces, one even mumbled, oh god, it's mom. so hopefully joy will get their wish and maybe the holidays will be a nice peaceful one and the brother wills not debate and argue. you and your brother don't ever do that in front of your mother,

do you? >> mmmm. >> they do it on the show whenever the governor comes on. >> sadly, i'm a victim and i appreciate the defense. >> hardly. >> let's get off this topic, let's turn to sports, a big-time match-up in the nba, the golden state warriors, maybe the most exciting team in the nba. 16-game winning streak against the memphis grizzlies, let's bring in the "bleacher report." >> the warriors have been so great. they got through a 21-2 start to the season. some people started kicking around the idea that they would challenge the '96 bulls' record of 72-10. now probably not going to happen, but it's been impressive. the warriors taking on the grizzlies. who have only lost four games. memphis went on a 20-0 run to start the second quarter. opened up a big lead in the game. the warrior was cut it to two in the fourth quarter. but the grizzlies would hold on to get the win. 105-98. snapping golden state's 16-game win streak.

florida panthers and washington capitals needed a shootout last night to determine the winner. and it went on and on and on -- for 20 rounds. that's five rounds longer than any shoot-out in nhl history. every player in uniform minus the goalies took a shot at least once. finally the panthers would score the final goal in the 2-1 victory. all right two-time masters champion bubba watson spent much of his off-season in the recording studio working on his first single. well it dropped yesterday. i give you -- "bubba claus." >>. ♪ i just touched down ♪ i bet you want to know what's in my bag ♪ ♪ is it golf clubs 0or a bag of toys ♪ ♪ it's a bird, it's a plane, i remember christmas growing up in baghdad ♪ >> it's bubba claus. >> that song doesn't give me any

christmas spirit like "jingle bells" it's so bad it's actually good. >> uh-huh? future classic? chris gives it the thumb's down. >> don't think we're going to hear people singing that -- during the holidays. >> that was so wrong. that was so wrong on so many levels. thanks so much. for that little bit of entertainment. well listen to this story -- he went to walmart to buy s'mores for a family barbeque and he wound up being gunned down by police. now the family of john crawford is suing, demanding justice for their son. the a grand jury decided no the to indict the officers involved. does the family's lawsuit have a chance? we'll be right back. i am never getting married. never. psssssh. guaranteed. you picked a beautiful ring.

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welcome back, the family of a man gunned down by police officers in an ohio walmart is suing the retail giant and the police. john crawford was holding a b.b.

gun when he was shot and killed. in september, a grand jury decided not to indict the officers involved in the incident. this, as new video is released showing police aggressively interrogating crawford's girlfriend after he was killed. cnn's ana cabrera has more. >> where did you get this gun? >> sir, i don't know. i don't know where, sir, i swear do god. i don't know. can you give me a lie detector test and everything. >> just released video from inside the interrogation room. beaver creek police detective rodney kurt grills tasha thomas, the girlfriend of john kraucraw iii, minutes after police open fire, killing crawford inside an ohio walmart. >> why would he have a gun in the store? >> i don't know. >> is he -- >> this is the incident caught on camera, surveil video in august shows crawford wandering the aisles, talking on the phone and carrying what looks like a rifle.

a concerned customer called 911 and police responded. >> walmart -- [ inaudible ] [ inaudible ] >> police say crawford failed to obey commands from police, but crawford's family argues crawford never had a chance. they say the video shows he had his back to police and was on the phone when they approached. and that the officers opened fire just one second after they confronted crawford. >> one of these is a real gun, one of these is the gun mr. crawford was carrying that day. as you can see, it's very hard to tell the difference. >> it turns out crawford was holding a pellet gun he had picked up from a store shelf. not a rifle. in september, a grand jury chose not to indict the officers on any charges. the family is now filing a federal lawsuit against police and walmart. saying the pellet gun should have been locked up and police should have done due diligence before opening fire. the city responded with this

statement, we believe the evidence will prove that the officer's actions were legally justified. walmart expressed condolences and said quote our associates acted properly. >> i'm still pursuing justice. because to me, that is justice. you have to be held accountable. you don't get a pass because you have a sidearm and a shield. >> crawford's family says he wasn't a criminal. he was a customer. and now an innocent victim. they believe police tried to cover up their mistake afterwards, by trying to coerce tasha thomas into saying something that might justify the shooting. >> we're investigating a, a serious incident. you lie to me and you might be on your way to jail. so i'm going to be very clear about this. >> i swear to god -- >> you need to tell me the truth. >> i am. >> i am. i swear to god. i swear to god. >> are you under the influence of anything?

>> no. >> been drinking? >> no. >> drugs? >> no. >> your eyes are kind of messed up. i don't know if it's because you're upset or not. >> br 90 minutes this goes on before thomas finally learns her boyfriend is dead. >> well, to let you know, unfortunately john has passed away. as a result of this. i don't know any other way to tell you. what happened there wasn't a good thing and as a result of his actions he is gone. >> now police say there was no coercion involved. the detective says he was questioning thomas based on what he was told by the police who were on scene of the shooting and he says initially. they thought crawford was carrying a real rifle. they thought he had brought it into the store. and he says he really was just searching for answers. chris, alisyn? >> this is going to be a very

controversial situation once again. those types of interviews are hard to watch. usually caused custodial interrogation. police often use devices to try to elicit information. you have to ask why were they using those devices on this woman in that situation. you have another instance now that people are complaining that a prosecutor was supposed to be bringing a case, seemed to be trying to defend the police in front of the grand jury. that's going to raise the controversy level in this. we will in the next hour speak more about this story with the father of john crawford and the family's attorney and you can judge the situation for yourself. >> that was gut-wrenching. gut-wrenching to watch that. that will be an important interview with the family. meanwhile, jeb bush announcing that he will explore a presidential run in 2016. what does this mean for the other republicans considering a bid? i've had moderate to severe plaque psoriasis most my life. but that hasn't stopped me from modeling. my doctor told me about stelara®. it helps keep my skin clearer.

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president. right there on facebook, must be true. he's going to establish a leadership political action committee to start the process. what does this mean for him? is this like the real deal now? what does it mean for everybody else on his side of the fence? let's talk about with cnn political analyst and editor in chief, mr. john avlon and cnn political commentator and republican consultant, margaret hoover. facebook, what's that about? and is this the real deal? >> he's trying to show how hip he is, he can get on the google, do the facebook. what was really surprise sgt way he got ahead of the game and the really whole field. jeb bush has been the one holding back, saying i'm not going to make a decision until the end of the year. and here all of a sudden with the announcement it puts everyone else in reactive mode. it's incredibly significant and it does have impacts throughout the race in terms of especially who's going to be the money guy for the establishment center right. but that move surprised everybody and puts everybody else on defense.

>> i think facebook is very old school it should have been tinder. just -- a dating website. >> but margaret, how does this change -- how does it change the landscape for all of the different republican hopefuls now? >> there are significant calculations that everybody has to make now. especially in the donor community. the donor community knows jeb bush. likes jeb bush. frankly, had a significant role to play in 2014 in terms of helping to get candidates in the, through the primaries that were going to be electable in the general election. a lot of the donor community, especially the big donors like somebody who is electable in the general election, they're not going to flirt with a ben carson. they can play a significant role. ultimately we talked about this yesterday this is an endurance race, this is not going to be a sprint and the person to get through the end will be the one to have the resources to pay for the campaign over the next two years, it's a two-year presidential race, bush can do that in ways that some of the

governor who is have never run for president before, like scott walker and bobby jindal won't be able to. >> is he making money matter too much early on? we always use the word resources, it's a dignified word. he's forming a pac, it gives him an ability to funnel more money in. >> let's talk about how much money that is, he can raise $5,000 increments from one person. has to pound the pavement to get a lot of people to give him money. $5,000 is a lot of money, but it's not a superpac, not like one billionaire can write a check and fund his entire political ambition. like what happened with newt gingrich. >> this is a reminder of how much the actual process is preoccupied with money. the american people want to see it preoccupied with ideas. and that gap is just a reality of a campaign. you're creating a multimillion dollar organization that if it succeeds will go out of business in a year and you're doing it basically on the fly. but so the money, the degree to

which politics and running for president is simply a money ball game and the way that distracts from what really matters and restricts a candidate's time with real people and main street concerns. >> money is part of the process, but it doesn't -- and it is, to say it dominates it is undermines this notion that by building this pac he's able to build out a policy staff. he's able to have a political team. he's able to go into iowa and start talking to iowans. he can't do that without money. >> he could start talking to people tomorrow. >> on his own dime? >> on his own dime. >> by capping it and having transparency, this is a way of channeling funds. this wasn't supposed to be a debate about money and politics, let's talk about jeb bush. >> what's going to be interesting to see if jeb bush tries to pursue a path to the nomination that doesn't pander to the far right. he sticks to his guns on immigration. if he's going to actually run

the way he governed. if his name wasn't bush he would still be an enormously credible candidate. >> does this have the biggest impact on marco rubio? >> yes, also on chris christie. these were suppose to be the candidates who were moderate, who could sort of indicator to the establishment. not marco rebound yoe. marco rubio is close with jeb bush, he came up with leadership through the florida house of representatives with jeb bush as his governor, he was jeb bush's guy. i highly doubt he runs now. >> does bush beat romney? >> that's not going do happen. that's not going do happen. no. i mean -- i think because i think romney -- >> i thought that was a great question. >> i do think that you know, to the extent all of these are pieces that are interrelated, if jeb didn't run romney would say we need someone strong in the center right with high-name i.d. i think that space has been taken and i don't think there's a real demand for a mitt romney

repeat. >> alisyn's research for the segment. it says the polls for romney -- tell them what it says. >> i have a little poll here i can show you. there hasn't been any polling since he made his facebook announcement. here is what the field looked like a couple of weeks ago in our cnn poll. and without romney, bush wins, but not by much. ben carson is second, mike huckabee, who has a lot of name recognition, 10% and further down is chris christie and paul ryan. >> with romney, he gets spanked. >> and i think that's purely a name i.d. deal. you can't at this stage of the presidential campaigns, these are largely name i.d. and mitt romney has a lot of goodwill within the party. but this part of the debate about the nomination is going to be which candidate can best appeal to the center right and the big donor who is actually want someone who can be responsible president and win a general election. >> don't underestimate the value of name i.d. is what i would say. with no president in the second half of the 20th century on the republican side has gotten the

nomination from the republican party without trying for it once before. either on the ticket as a vice president. and except george w. bush. why? because they were comfortable with bushes. so being a bush cuts both ways. being a bush cuts both ways. it's negative for jeb bush, he's going to have to differentiate himself, he's got a lot of baggage, but it also helps him a lot. that's why he's leading in the polls. >> talking about politics without talking about money in politics is a waste of time. a lot of stories, let's get to it right now. >> premiere canceled, new terrorist fears overwhelm the industry. >> i don't think this is a good time to withdraw, i think it's a good time to stand your ground. >> stolen information. i think it's [ bleep ] anyone can talk about. >> it was going to get out there, anyway, we have to be part of the conversation. 132 children slaughtered at their school. by terrorists. >> this is one of the worst

school shootings anywhere in the world. and in history. >> we should stand up together and fight against terrorism. these sanctions could have been lifted months ago. >> their futures are being sacrificed. >> russia is now in the depths of the economic crisis. this is "new day," with chris cuomo, kate boldaun and michaela pereira. >> good morning, everyone, welcome back to "new day," i'm alisyn camerota along with chris cuomo. major developments on the fallout of the controversial comedy depicting the assassination of the north korean lead er, kim jong-un. one major theater chain pulling the plug on the film and now the star-studded new york premiere tomorrow has been canceled. >> sony telling theater owners to feel free to pull "the interview" because of the cyberhackers that are threatening attacks against anyone showing the film. their warning says remember 9/11. our breaking news coverage begins with pamela brown live from washington. pamela, how real is our

government taking this? >> well i think the government is taking this very seriously. and i know that this has reached the highest levels of the government. it's a huge deal when it's been devastating for sony. there have been some fast-moving developments since this threat reportedly from the hackers surfaced yesterday. so far the stars of the controversial comedy have canceled press appearances, and the major theater chain cine mark has decided not to show the film. we expect the dominos to fall today amid mounting threats from the hackers to call off its christmas release, sony says it currently has no plans to pull its upcoming movie, "the interview." >> take him out. >> you want us to kill the leader of north korea? >> now developing, a person close to the situation says sony would not object if theaters decide to pull it from their box offices. >> you want to go kill kim jong-un. >> totally.

>> the first movie chain to pull the plug from their more than 270 theaters across more than 40 states. landmark theaters also bailing, canceling thursday's premiere in new york. even the film's stars, seth rogen and james franco, dropping out of all media appearances this week. this fear in the movie industry prompted by a new threatening message purportedly from the sony hackers. the fbi investigating their promise of a bitter fate to anyone who sees the controversial north korean comedy. the message says -- soon all the world will see what an awful movie sony pictures entertainment has made. the world will be full of fear, remember the 11th of september 2001. >> now they've got all of these threats against people you know if you go see the movie, you know be careful. they're threatening the families of sony employees. this has taken hacking to a level that we've never seen before. >> this week, a leaked scene from the film was posted. showing the gruesome assassination of north korean

leader, kim jong-un. something the country condemns as an act of war. >> u.s. law enforcement sources tell cnn the strong suspicion is that the reclusive country is the instigator of the hack and possibly outsourced it to a group elsewhere. as retaliation for the controversial film. the fbi is scrubbing sony's computer system, trying to gather enough evidence to be able to definitively point the finger at the hacking culprit. >> it is a complex, nuanced investigation. the more sophisticated hackers have gone through multiple, multiple infrastructures to get to where they've gotten to. so it's not something that sony is going to solve in a day or a week or a month. >> and sources tell us that the hackers had access to the sony computer system for several months before the fbi was brought in in november. so a lot of damage was done in that timeframe. making it harder for investigators to get to the bottom of it. and alisyn and chris, you may be wondering why the u.s. government isn't speaking out more. they want to be certain who the

instigator is, who the hacking culprit is and figure out what to do once they announce it. >> thank you very much. let's continue our coverage with will ripley in tokyo, that's where sony is headquartered. and by the way, the film will not be shown there. will? >> well, chris, we know sony executives are likely to be facing tough questions from the japanese government over why they allowed this production to happen, considering the geopolitical ramifications. we have new pictures coming in from north korea from pyongyang, a city that i visited just a few months ago, i can tell you they almost worship their leaders like gods there. and right now, tens of thousands of people are turning out, marking the three-year anniversary of the reign of their young leader, kim jong-un and also mourning the passing of his father, who died unexpectedly. this shows how deadly serious the north koreans are about their leaders and may explain the motive, if indeed north korea is behind this cyberattack. an attack that has paralyzed an american company, creating so much fear that theaters are now

as you see in the united states, canceling these screenings. but that fear is nothing new to people here in japan, who have always taken north korea seriously for decades. ever since the country kidnapped japanese citizens and forced them to train spies and launch projectiles into the sea of japan and now with this apparent new vulnerability to cyber attacks, there are more fears in tokyo about what could happen next as the film premiere is just days away. chris? >> will, thank you very much. alisyn, over to you. >> let's talk about more about this with the soenior editor of "recode" a tech news website and tom fuentes, former assistant fbi director. good morning to both of you. tom, in the last 24 hours the whole hacking scandal feels like it's taken a much more ominous turn. it's not just about salacious emails that have been hacked. it's now about threats along the lines of 9/11. let me read to you what the hacking group has posted. he said the world will be full of fear. remember the 11th of september

2001. we recommend you to keep yourself distance from the places at that time. they mean the premiere of the movevy. if your house is nearby, you'd better leave. they mean if your house is nearby the theater, you better leave. what do you make of these threats, tom? >> i think at that point, alisyn, the threats are beyond the pale and it makes you wonder, al qaeda itself and the isis itself don't have the capability of that large-scale of a bombing attack on the united states. so and they want to more. but this has gone from you know, in the beginning, an extortion and a hacking case. to now, this, to now serious threats. so this, these are crimes that are serious crimes in the u.s. even though it's an attack on a private company initially. it's still a major extortion, affecting the commerce of the u.s. and of the company. and it's not to be tolerated. and the government is doing the best it can, as quick as it can to try to identify and

neutralize the people responsible for this. >> and dawn, of course theaters have to listen to this, they can't ignore a threat of this magnitude. so late last night, the new york premiere of the movie, called "the interview," was canceled. what is sony saying about all this? >> well, sony is actually saying nothing publicly. but you're absolutely right. i mean the theater owners up until this point have been been supportive of soeby and sony's desire to exercise cyber. >> the theatrical, the theater owners have employees, they have audience menls, people coming into their theaters and no one, there's some real concern about putting people potentially at risk. even though the homeland security department has said that there's no credible threat

here. >> tom, when you read this threat, the grammar of it is very peculiar. it's very strained. it says though, its english is not the first language of the hackers. that could be a ruse. do we believe that north korea is behind this? >> i think that you know many people think they do. they have the most interest in doing it. so you know, motive, opportunity, the skill set. and they could have help from their big brother. hackers in china. so you know, you don't know for sure. and they won't say so for sure until they have the evidence. but you know, all indications show that that's probably true. >> dawn, the larger issue here is that this is a movie, this is hollywood. this is fiction. this is our entertainment. since when do we let hackers dictate our media and what we're allowed to see? >> that's, that has been the point that sony has been making all along. you know, you know, sony corporate has been sensitive, though, we've seen a number of email exchanges between.

>> the studio is trying to walk this fine line between acknowledging this is a sitting leader of a country, and also allows artists to create a comedy. you know and but these grave threats seem to have taken it out of this academic debate about free expression. >> tom, there have been other movies about world leaders that have caused some hand-wringing, but is this level unprecedented? >> i think so. and you know, we don't realize or forget in this country is that you know, our comedians every night of the week on various shows, criticize our leaders, make fun, spoof, satire, it's been a way of humor. can you go back to the revolution and humorists have made fun of political leaders. but in other parts of the world, it's not allowed. remember when putin locked up a rock and roll band for lyrics

critical of him. there's a number of countries, if you open your mouth and criticized government -- that's it, you're going to prison and maybe worse than that. so in that sense, this one is a little more unprecedented, because it's hitting here against us in the u.s. or against a company doing considerable business in the united states. cnn has showed clips from that movie how many times a day? the other news networks also. what if they turn this hacking attack on one of the news networks and start censoring our news? tell cnn we're going to release your emails and destroy data in your network if you don't stop showing the clips and stop promoting this movie? because the reality is that many people, nobody i know had any intention of ever seeing this movie. but now curiosity may lead this to become a blockbuster. >> if it's allowed to be released. dawn, what is going to happen with this movie? >> there's a considerable amount of hand-wringing and i think it remains to be seen whether exhibitors are going to stand by it and open it.

and there's an ongoing discussion between the other film distributors and other studios and the theatrical community about whether or not adjacent films might be hurt. if people decide to stay home at christmas time, one of the most popular times of the year for families to go out and see movies, the fears about this film could ripple over and affect other movies that are showing in theaters at this time. so there's a good deal of anxiety at this moment. we'll find out what happens. >> tom, let's end on a law enforcement note. as a law enforcement officers, do you think that theaters should show this movie? >> i think they have to make their own decision. i can't imagine a terror attack you know going after how many tens of thousands of movie theaters we have in the united states. >> maybe just one. even just one. >> maybe just one. but we have that every day of the week. we have just one. we have to worry about crazy people, you know doing something like what just happened in sydney, australia, every day of the week.

that can happen. so you're right. but in this case, a major extortion possibly you know, as a result of a foreign state carrying this attack against us -- that's serious business. and i think that, you know, i think obviously the fbi, homeland security, the authorities here and with the partners around the world are going after this as hard as they can. i don't personally believe there will be a bombing in a movie theater over this movie. >> let's hope you're right? >> that's my opinion, hope i'm right on that. >> tom fuentes, dawn chmielewski, thanks so much for this conversation. we want to hear from you, would you go see this movie, despite the threats? should it be released at all? go to facebook.com/until did you day or tweet us @newday. let's get over to michaela. let's give awe look at the headlines. funerals are under way as pakistan begins three days of mourning after the deadly taliban siege at the military school in peshawar. at least 145 people were killed,

among them 132 school children. in response to the heinous attack, pakistan's prime minister has now lifted a moratorium on the death penalty for terrorism cases. also breaking overnight, australia's prime minister has now pledged an urgent joint review into the deadly hostage situation in sydney. prime minister tony abbott said a wide range of issues will be examined. including why the gunman was granted australian citizenship and how he was able to legally obtain a gun. the full report is expected to be released sometime in jab. in the meantime, a makeshift memorial for the two victims continues to grow, flowers and cards pile up near the lindt cafe in sydney. government shutdown avoided, overnight president obama signed $1.1 trillion spending bill to fund most government agency throughs september of next year. one exception -- the department of homeland security, which will get a funding extension only through the end of february. a bit of a mystery, a pickup

truck once owned by a plumbing company in texas has somehow made its way to the front lines of syria's civil war. a picture of the vehicle was posted online. it shows that this vehicle has been converted into an anti-aircraft weapon for islamic militants. the owner of the plumbing company said he traded his truck in last november. assuming the dealership would remove the dekele. he said he had no idea it would end up in terrorist hands, he has no idea how it got there. he said his business is being flooded with nasty calls and he's -- quite stupefied about how this happened. he can't figure it out, either. >> how did it get there? >> it's not surprising he's getting a lot of nasty calls and no the surprising we're seeing more and more of the adaptability of militants in that area. they're using everything they can to become a weapon. and we're going to see more of it. lay off the calls to that guy, he didn't do anything. >> that's why he wanted to come out and say look, i had no idea.

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welcome back, some are calling this horrible massacre at a school in peshawar, pakistan's 9/11 this was the hand of the taliban for sure, more than 140 are dead. most of them children. the attack apparently revenge

for pakistan's efforts to curb the terror group. so here are the questions -- is more of this to come? can pakistan control this threat and the taliban overall? and if not, will the united states have to become involved greatly again? let's bring in chief international correspondent christiane amanpour, let's get some perspective from you. certainly you have as good a feel for the lay of land as anyone, attacking schools, not new. but this scale is new, do you think it is a one-off? or is this a message? >> well, i think it's definitely a message. but it remains to be seen whether the taliban's really outrageous act actually does cause a backlash against them. i'll say that because imagine this -- the dreadful mullah omar, the taliban lead anywhere afghanistan, even he put out a statement condemning this. and saiding that it was not islamic and they should not be attacking civilians. they clearly have lost the political high road if they ever had it.

within their group of supporters. they have no political relevance any more. but they are a military threat both in pakistan and in afghanistan. so this is what is happening. and the united states has been involved. it's been heavily involved with drone strikes and other attempts to help pakistan. it's been heavily involved. trying to force pakistan to act with one voice. the civilian elected government. the powerful military, the isi, which is the intelligence service, to actually go after these jihadis. i spoke to the defense minister, who is desperately grieving, he was on his way, rushing back from london to pakistan last night. he told me this will not deter us, we will continue. tragically he said to us, the lighter and the smaller the coffin, the heavier it is for to us carry. it's a metaphor, but he really meant that this burden is now close to overwhelming pakistan. >> look, it is difficult to imagine something that could have been done that would have been worse. both in its goal and its death

toll. however, the question has to be asked, christianne, for all the intentions and outrage, do he have the ability. with an unstable government and a military that has not made a lot of progress, to control the threat? >> well look, they do have the ability. because they have a lot of help. what they lack and what they have been lacking is the will. and to be honest with you, the government is a democratic government. it was the first democratic government to take over legitimately from a democratic government. in other words, it wasn't created by a coup, it's not a military government. it is fairly stable. obviously they're always threats there. the question is, whether the military and the intelligence service, which many believe run to an extent the country, understand that they cannot play a double game any more. they cannot say we are fighting this threat and then not fight this threat. or even collude with this threat. and now that the military has

taken such a terrible blow to the heart of its children, maybe people are hoping this will concentrate their minds. i asked the defense minister, who is your biggest threat? you've always talked about india. all your military is directed towards india. all you blame pakistan. rather afghanistan. but do you understand that it's the jihadis? and he said to me, absolutely. these terrorists are the biggest threat to pakistan and the biggest threat to peace in the region. now it remains to be seen whether they will act on those words. and get the help of india, the united states and afghanistan. so that all of them push against this fight together. >> two other questions, christia christiane. one is if this is the new face of radical islam in pakistan, do you believe it will require the u.s./coalition, whatever term you want to use, to get in there in a more heavily-invested way than they are right now? >> i don't think so, i can't see it happening.

the whole momentum is to pulling out of afghanistan. notice the already the united states, president obama seeing what happened when the u.s. pulled out of iraq and left a vacuum there. the rise of isis, this kind of horrendous attack against civilians has had to leave and wants to leave a slightly bigger deployment of reserve forces in afghanistan than originally thought. with a broader mandate than originally thought. now its only going to be there until 2016, we're told. but maybe that will increase. what you have is good news, is a very good president elected in afghanistan. he's a moderate, he's a techno carat. he's pro western, he and his deputy want to have foreign force there is to help keep these people at bay. these taliban people at bay. that's what the aim is. i don't believe you'll see boots on the ground in pakistan. but look, for years there have been drone attacks in pakistan. there needs to be a whole you know, a whole policy towards pakistan to push the taliban

back. >> last point, christiane, we're going to interview this morning, someone we're both very familiar with, pervez musharraf. he's got two important relevancies right now. the first is he is at once a former president, a perceived enemy of the state and perhaps a future leader there. he is going to come on and he is going to say -- this is what happens when the u.s. is not a good-enough friend to pakistan. this is what happens, you have to be more invested here. what do you take if that's the message that's coming from this particular person? >> well two things to remember. he was there at 9/11. he was the man that the u.s., the bush administration pushed into you know, understanding that they had to fight al qaeda, the taliban, et cetera. and for a while, he did. and then it all went pear-shaped and belly-up in the mid 2000s, and the taliban rose again in afghanistan and pakistan. he has obviously got political problems with the current government. so a lot of what he'll say will

be political. i think he should be pressed on what went wrong and what needs to happen now to do this. and you know what, the military itself you know, if you'll go all the way back to the '80s, i'm sorry to do this. but the military dictator had a coup against a democratic government and brought in a most extreme form of islam. a most extreme form of islam. and the whole country's reason of life shifted to this very, very militant islamic reality. and then the military and the isi, the intelligence service are themselves blamed essentially for creating the taliban as a bubulwark against afghanistan. the whole thing is a complete mess and they have to go back dot drawing board and do it all over again. it has to be a military advance against taliban and it has to be deradicalization of the mindset of the people.

>> christiane amanpour, never apologize for making us better and teaching us to a situation we now seek to control. thank you very much. as christiane was referring, it's very important to understand what happened in the past and what could be the future. the man we'll be interviewing exclusively here may be both. future president, former president? of pakistan, pervez musharraf. alisyn? we'll look forward to that also a young black man killed by police, because he was holding a toy gun inside a walmart. his family now suing police and walmart, after a grand jury decided not to indict the officers. that man's family joins us live. a bose bluetooth speaker! and...cut. the not-so-good-more alright honey, this time face towards the light. is take two. were you naughty? were you nice? that's the tension i need to see. alright, we're losing light, people. action! wow. cut. i'm not feeling it, sweetheart. we're gonna have to go in a different direction. doug?

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. want to continue to draw our attention to a story here thaw need to be aware of. the family of a man shot and killed by a police officer in an ohio walmart has now filed a wrongful death lawsuit after a grand jury failed to indict the officer. john crawford iii went to walmart to apparently buy supplies to make s'mores. once inside, surveillance video shows him picking up an unboxed, unloaded pellet gun. a concerned customer called n e, leading to this police dispatch. [ indiscernible ] [ indiscernible ] >> police responded they entered walmart, they shot and killed crawford. joining us to discuss their lawsuit are john crawford junior, the father of the victim and michael wright, the crawford family attorney. gentlemen, i'm glad you could join us today.

it's important for us to talk about this story. mr. crawford, first of all, i want to ask you how you and your family are doing. you lost your son in august,ky imagine with the holidays this is a very, very difficult time for you and your loved ones. >> yes it is. it really is. but you know, through god and grace and support if family and friends, you know my legal team here, with attorney wright, we're maintaining. we're getting through. >> well hopefully you have support network around you, i know this must be a challenge. and attorney wright, let's talk to you about what we're hearing from the city of beaver creek, they released a statement that i think some will wonder about. let me read it to you. we believe that evidence will prove the officer's action were justified. walmart, for its part says their associates acted properly. mr. wright can you give us an understanding, are we missing something when we look at this

footage? there is really only about a second, we understand, by the time police showed up, and shot him. police say that he was waving the gun around. that he didn't comply. but how can that happen, in one second? >> that's absolutely correct. he was given less than half of a second, it was actually approximately a third of a second before they shot and killed mr. crawford. they came in the store and shot and killed him on sight. there's absolutely no justification for this shooting at all. mr. crawford was posing no threat to anyone. he was facing the shelves, talking on his cell phone and was shot and killed on sight. there's absolutely no justification and can you see through the video, mr. crawford was not even aware that these officers were in the store. >> and it's interesting, at one point he sort of is walking around, you see him what

distractedly talking on his cell phone. you see him standing to the side. when the police arrive on scene, he drops that gun, the toy, and scrambles away from it. obviously concerned. john, when you see those moments, they're critical moments, what goes through your mind? >> let me just answer what you just asked. when mr. crawford dropped the b.b. gun, he was shot at that point. he was shot. so he didn't drop it and scramble away. he was shot. that's why he dropped the b.b. gun. >> how many times was he shot? >> the shots had already been fired? >> he was shot twice. >> so he had already been shot twice. before he dropped the b.b. gun. at that point he was scrambling, he was fighting for his life. he was in the process of dying. he was shot. >> mr. crawford, we also understand, mr. crawford, that your son's girlfriend was out in the parking lot, waiting for him in the car.

she was then interrogated by police, we have a little bit of the footage, which was released on sunday. i want to play a little bit for you. >> with you did he get this gun? >> sir, i don't know. >> you understand that we're investigating a, a serious incident. you lie to me and you might be on your way to jail. so he got in the car, he had a white bag, he never made any noise about doing anything to his ex or anything like that? >> no, sir. >> was she in the store? >> no, sir. >> you sure she wasn't in the store? >> i swear to my understanding she was still in cincinnati. >> you're telling me you didn't see his girlfriend in the store? >> no, sir. >> this poor young woman, she's trying to figure out what's happened. mr. crawford, you believe that shortly after this interrogation with your son's girlfriend began, officers already knew that the gun was a toy. where do you think they were trying to go with this line of

questioning? >> well clearly, you know clearly they had no motive. you know, she had called me prior to that, and they were trying to intimidate her. they were trying to establish some type of motive. they had already killed him. unbeknownst to her, of course. they were looking for a motive. they realized once they killed him, they killed him unjustly. they had to have something, a motive and they went to her to try it establish that. to try to get something from her, so that they could go back and justify the killing. >> and later in that video, we hear police letting her know that your son has died and it's heartbreaking to hear her reaction. attorney, michael, will you give us an understanding, we understand that ohio is an open carry state. what does protocol in that state allow for? and what should happen when a situation like this, a man with

a gun, is in a store in ohio. what should be happening? >> absolutely nothing should be happening. ohio is an open carry state. if that b.b. gun had been a real -- firearm, they still did not have enough probable cause to even stop and talk to john. so there's absolutely no reason for them to come in and shoot him on sight. again it's an open carry state. if it was a real gun. which it was not, they still did not have the authority to question john, there was no reason for them to handle the situation in the way, in the manner that they did. >> piggybacking -- >> i know that this is a civil suit. >>ky make -- go ahead, sir. >> let me make a quick footnote. actually what's ironic about this case, also, is that the prosecuting attorney did in fact

say that my son did nothing wrong and that he did not commit a crime. that came from the prosecutor himself. >> mr. john crawford, we hope that you will speak with us again and michael wright, thank you so much for joining us, we want to make sure we continue to follow this case. we know both of you are seeking justice for this young man and are now launching this civil suit. we want to talk to you going forward about how this turns out, okay? our best to you. >> absolutely. thank you. all right. we're also chasing questions this morning that persist about the taliban's strength and influence in pakistan after tuesday's horrible massacre in a school. will this siege be the tipping point for the pakistani government to try new tactics? to have new resolve? we'll be joined by the country's former president, pervez musharraf in a "new day" exclusive. what does an apron have to do with car insurance?

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welcome back, let's give awe look at your headlines, one of the largest movie theater chains in the country is pulling the movie "the interview." after hackers who breached sony pictures threatened to attack theaters showing the film. they are apparently warning moviegoers to remember 9/11. a big premiere scheduled for tomorrow in new york has also been canceled. homeland security and the fbi are now investigating that threat. president obama's executive action on immigration is being questioned. a federal judge in pennsylvania has called parts of his move unconstitutional. the opinion comes in response to a criminal case against an illegal immigrant who was deported and caught back in the united states again this year. president obama's policy changes would give a reprieve to up to five million illegal immigrants. several people injured after an american airlines jet hit severe turbulence in south korea, they're going to arrive at their destination in texas, the plane was forced to divert and make an emergency landing in

tokyo. 14 people needed medical attention. american airlines says four passenger and a crew member were taken to the hospital. none of the injuries were life-threatening. kind of a scary scene playing out in a florida courtroom. an attorney fainted while questioning a witness. julianne morris, representing a south carolina mother accused of driving her three children into the ocean back in march, that attorney collapsed while questioning a psychiatrist. emergency workers rushed to help her out. she is said to be doing much better and in fact is expected back in court today. those are your headlines at this hour. let's send it back over to you, chris. thank you very much. the situation in pakistan, i'm sure you're aware of it matters on a simple human level, so many lives taken, so many of them children. we also have to see it as the evolving face of radical islam, what the goals are, what the means are. and that means, it's going to be a big suggestion of where the united states' efforts are going to be in the war on terror going

forward. let's bring in bobby ghosh here, we know he's a cnn global affairs analyst and the managing editor of "quartz" this situation matters for any box you want to check. let's take a look, we're on the map here, this region is going to be new landscape for people. it's old landscape in the beginning of the war on terror. now there. where are we? why is the peshawar relevant here? now we're looking specifically at the school itself. why is does the region mat centre. >> peshawar is the largest city in that part of the world, 3.5 million people. this is where modern islamist militancy was born in early 1980s, this is where the c.i.a. and the pakistani military recruited young men, afghan and pakistani young men, trained them to fight against the offense jets in afghanistan. that genie, once it was released from the bottle has never gone back in. and peshawar more than any other

city, full of groups like this. >> is it true that the u.s. was not only training them. not just about blame, but about understanding, one of the reasons they took the name taliban, talib is student. not only were they learning about what their own resolve should be, but learning from the u.s. about their own goals. >> they were being taught how to go out and fight. these were not trained military people. they were given the equipment and the ability to fight, but their command and control structures were not in the hands of the c.i.a. or the pakistani military. they developed that on their own. >> and also, as you said, very important to mention that this region, there's so much extremism in there. different groups, many of them competing. and that is evolving as a big part of the challenge in pakistan and throughout the region, yes? >> dozens and dozens of groups. and many of them have, you would seem, if you looked at what they say, you would think that they all believe in the same thing. that they all are cut from the same cloth -- but there are tribal issues here that sort of sometimes have them fighting against each other.

and then when they are faced with a common enemy like the pakistani military or the u.s. military, they're able to work together as well. so it's an incredibly complex and confusing situation. >> and a perverse competitiveness, right? there's reason to believe that isis getting all the recent attention spurs the ttp, the taliban in pakistan or afghanistan, to want more attention. and that may be something that's spurring. but however the big deal is, let's put up the graphic that we're standing on of the different groups in this region. because it goes to what the pakistani military and government are up against. and the suggestion is, they can't handle it. what have we seen and why do you think it's been so difficult for pakistan? >> well, for the pakistani military, there are several issues, all the complex, complexities that we just discussed. but let's not forget, these are their people. it's not like they're going into a foreign country and they can just sort of go in and have at it. these are pakistani nationals. >> the sovereign nation, the

identity as a citizen isn't like in the u.s. you are clan first and when that's in clash, you wind up having a different set of behaviors. >> you do indeed and you've been there, you've seen that. that people even those who are in the pakistani military sometimes will respect their clan loyalties ahead of their national loyalties. >> let's show the different sections, the khyber region, the khyber pass, one area with certain sympathies, you have fata and waziristan. takes you into the tribal areas. >> well north waziristan is the heart of the pakistani taliban. that's more or less where they're headquartered. and fata, the federally administered tribal agency, waziristan is part of that. there are several other smaller districts. that collectively make up fata. khyber to the north and east of it, what all of these places are in common is that they're very heavily ethnically pashtuns.

the ethnic pashtuns make up a large number in the terrorist groups, like the pakistani taliban and also the afghan taliban. so these borders that you see with pakistan, those borders exist only in maps. these groups of people for centuries and certainly since the formation of pakistan, have been able to travel from one country to the other. which means that these groups have alliances across the boarders. >> and there are regions that are very difficult to negotiate from a topography standpoint. make it hard for the u.s. military. that's why the pakistani military says you need us, we know the terrain. they event been able to access it as well. and the pashtun, while they are very often a breeding ground for the wrong kind of people, is that tradition of pashtun wali, they take in people and protect them and often that dynamic winds up playing out. one time they're fighting against the military, protecting certain parts of the military. a bizarre situation, one that pakistan has not been able to control in the past.

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and now president obama set to sign a new round of sanctions against russia. we've got cnn's global economic analyst here to break it down for us. good morning. >> good morning. >> how did russia get to this point of near collapse today? >> russia is like a petro state. it ets 75% of its exports from oil. so when oil prices began falling, its economy started going to collapse. that was compounded by the u.s. sanctions which were already putting pressure on the economy making it impossible to renegotiate the debt. so now it's really under pressure from both areas, financially and from its exports. >> what's going to be the impact op vladimir putin? you know, russia is all about reading the tea leaves. they seem to be sending out some messages that this isn't what we signed up for? >> what's interesting is when

you look at oil economies when they come under pressure, it either topples theed a cat at the top of the places or in the short term it can crack. vladimir putin is terribly mismanaged the economy. many of the problems within the country are his fault. he kuld use this as an opportunity to stir up more conflict elsewhere as a distraction from the domestic problems. >> it tar feted members of putin's inner circle, pro-russian separatist leaders and public figures some so it seemed to have worked. the targeted sanctions worked. but have they had an effect on regular russian people? >> absolutely. people in russia are suffering terribly. inflation is going to skyrocket. they tried to prop up interest rates of 17% as a way to stop the currently outflows. but frankly nobody wants top

their money in russia right now. i think they're going to have to result to capital controls. the economy is in a freefall right now no question about it. >> in terms of whether it goats better or worse, what do you make of the oil situation. obviously there's still big downward pressure. it's not going to be market regulated. what happens? >> i think oil prices are going to stay low in part because china is slowing. china is a big consumer of russian oil. they've been signing more deals late pi but on unfavorable terms to russia. they've got them in a strong hold right now. and at the same time the rest of the demand factors in the u.s. are not robust enough to counter act that. i think what this means is that for an dma's 75% oil, they're going to be in trouble for a long time. >> it feels like putin is cornered. >> that's what makes his so dangerous. this tends to happen to the petro aud kratz. when the prices fall, they can't

make their budgets or do the handouts that have put them in power. that's when they get dangerous. politically this is a very sensitive time. >> these are tricky analyses to do until we see how it blames out. but if he's blamed for an aggressiveness that put them in the situation, i don't whether he can be helped by being more aggressive and more dangerous. this may cook him. >> it's true. but the question is who is waiting to take his place? is there somebody in russia -- >> is the guy wasn't supposed to be taking his place? >> like a mini me. >> how would the russian people oust him if they wanted to? >> that's the question. generally what happens in a situation like this fb you get an oil price crop and a period of chaos. hopefully there's a leader and a process ready to put a leader in place. but i don't trust that there is

any of that in russia. >> isn't it fascinating just in the span of one year in sochi at the olympics when he was flaunting the grandeur that he could. in the space of one year we've seen this drop. >> one thing i would add, there's a lot of national lichl in russia and emerging markets. people are not as dissatisfied with putin as you think. a lot of people see him as a strong leader, someone who stands up to the west. >> it comes back to the same conclusion. he's helpful to the russian people because he's boosting their identity. but pride will take second to pocket book in most economies because of need. snoop dogg said swb when you have your mind on your money and your money on your mind, putin is going to be in trouble. >> i'm going to have to study his work. >> philosopher and economy mist snoop dogg.

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premier canceled. new terror fears overwhelm the

entertainment industry. movie theaters are considering pulling the film. >> i think it's a good time to stand your ground. >> it's stolen information. i think it's [ bleep ] everybody talking about it. 132 children slaughtered at their school by terrorists. >> there is every reason to believe that the united states is vulnerable. >> we should stand up together and fight. >> the possibility of a second bush clinton showdown. >> marco rubio was on track to run for president in 2016 even if jeb bush jumps into the race. >> i'm thinking about running for president. >> this is new day. >> welcome back. it is wednesday, december 17 pt. we have breaking news here for you. we're talking about sony pictures. they're telling theater owners they can cancel showing the now controversial film "the interview" if they want to. one of the largest chains in the

country has decided to do that. >> plus the big premier tomorrow night in new york city has also been canceled. these moves have in reaction to a terror threat. they're threatening to attack theaters that choose to show this comedy, which depicts the assassination of the north korean leader kim jong-un. what do we know, pam ra? >> well it's clear that they're trying to racket up the fear and it's working. some big developments since the tlet from the hackers appeared yesterday. the stars are canceled press releases. we expect more fallout today. >> kim jong-un wants to do an interview with dave sky lark? >> he's a fan. >> amid fierce from hacker to call off the release, sony has

no plans too top the mury. but now developing a person close to the situation says sony would not object if theaters decide to pull it from their box offices. >> want to go kill kim jong-un? >> carmike cinemas, reportedly the first movie chain to pull the plug from their theaters across more than 40 states. land marc theaters canceling thursday's premier in new york. even the films stars, seth grogan and james franko dropping out of appearances this week. the fbi investigating their promise of a bitter fate to anyone who sees the controversial north korean comedy. the message says, soon all the world will see what an awful movie sony pictures entertainment has made. the world will be full of fear. remember the 11th of september

2001. >> now they've got the threats against anyone. if you see the movie, be careful. they're threatening the families of sony employees. this has taken hacking to a level we've never seen before. >> this week a leaked scene of the movie was shown. something the country condemns a as an act of war. >> we're told that the strong suspension that is that the reclusive country is the understand gator of the hack and possibly outsourced it to a group elsewhere as retaliation. the fbi is scrubbing sony's computer system trying to gather enough evidence to be able to definitively point the finger at the hacking culprit. >> sit a complex nuance investigation. they've gone through multiple infrastructure to get to where they've gotten to. it's not something that sony is going to solve in a day or a week or a month. >> in fact, it could take

months. sources i've spoken to said the hackers had access to the sony computer system for several months before the fbi was brought in. so a lot of time to do damage, making it harder for investigators to get to the bottom of it. >> there will be more developments about about what the u.s. government is going in response to the sony situation and we'll get to that. first, we want to turn to what's going on in pack instan. funerals have begun for the 132 children killed in a horrific massacre at an army school in parken stan at the hands of taliban militants. in response to this heinous attack, the prime minister has lifted a moratorium on the death penalty. but this is all-out war and a lot of questions are being asked about how much power the taliban has in pakistan and if the government and the military is doing enough and can do enough to stop them. our next guest has a unique

perspective on this. he was president for ten years. he is general mu share ra. our condolences to the people of pakistan and the families who were victimized in this situation. >> thank you very much. yes, indeed. blessings on the departed souls of the young boys. >> is what we saw here an aberration or do you believe this is the new face of radical islam and what their intentions are? >> it's not an aberration. it's a continuation off of whatever has been happening over the last 15 years in the region

and in our tribal agencies. it's a continuation of that. and maybe because of lack of resolve from the government side here, they have got strength in it. the terrorists have got more encouraged and more strengthened. >> why is that? what has happened with the pakistani government and military? how little control of the situation do you have? >> well, i think the situation is serious definitely. but it's controllable by the military. here the problem has been, over the past six, seven years, that the government, the elected governments, the so-called democratic governments were showing lack of resolve in

dealing with terrorism. and there was a lack of direction and policy being given to the military, to the law enforcers. so that has been the problem. >> to be frank, general, that so spigs, that concern about the resolve has existed before the period that you point to during your own administration. you and i have discussed this several different times. let me remind you about something you said about the war on terror, specifically finding and returning osama bin laden to the united states. let's play the clip. if you knew where he was, would you go in and get him and turn him over to the united states? >> well will get the target, yes, indeed. absolutely. >> even if it were osama bin lad. >> absolutely. >> and you would turn him over to the united states? >> let's not talk about how we will do with him. >> now, at the time you were

then president and general and that was interpreted at their being two minds in the fight against terror when it comes to pack, stan, that there is a division of sympathies between the terrorists and those who want to fight terror. did that exist then and does it still exist now? >> no, not at all. i totally disagree with what you said. >> it's what you said, general, not me. >> i was not committing myself. i was not committing myself to hand over osama to the united states. doesn't mean that i have two minds. we have to deal with him. we have our own honor and dignity. we have our own environment to cover. if we don't want to give osama bin laden to the united states that does not mean we're pro-terrorism. we are fighting terrorism. how do you conclude from that that we are double minded on

fighting terrorism? i'm sorry, i don't accept this argument. >> the altering comes from the context, not om is it what you said, your own words but also evidence of a double game that when you look at the areas where radical islam has been able to take root, these are the same areas where you allowed the warriors to fight wars for pakistan, almost as a frankenstein monster. and you said there's sentimentalities the. it's complicated in pakistan when it comes to how people feel about terrorists. >> this is a corp kated situation here. unfortunately, you in the united states do not accept your own blunder that you have committed. i have said that whatever has happened here, whatever the reorganization, the regrouping of the taliban occurred because of your failure in afghanistan to convert a military victory

into a political victory. and in that they were 50%, should have had the -- you did not do that. therefore you alienated the entire community and therefore taliban came into being again. they rose again. they reorganized themselvesance started fighting. this blunder you should accept. no. there are a lot of things where taliban, now what was happening within afghanistan, where there was a dominated government here in afghanistan and why pakistan has ethnic, geographic, historical and culture links. >> i understand. >> we had our own way of dealing with the situation. >> right. >> that maybe may sometimes clash with your interests. but it certainly was not

clashing with our common interest of dealing with terrorism and filing terrorism. >> why there -- >> we were doing it in pakistan. we should not be dictated by you on that issue. >> except that you say it's complicated and you're right. but in a little bit of a different way. you got a tremendous amount of assets and money and military from the united states because you were supposed to be joint purposes here. while there may be lots of blame to go around, isn't it true if you're going to talk about what's happening in afghanistan with the disorder of the taliban there in afgafghanistan, isn't true that there are pakistani foreign military officers that greatly help and control what's happening with afghanistan's taliban and that you allowed that to continue under your watch? >> no. tremendous amount of resources being given et cetera. this has been trashed so many times. this is what you keep saying.

>> is it not true? is anything i just say untrue? >> no, at all. it is absolutely not true. some amount has been given. >> some amount? billions of dollar. >> you've been talking about $10 billion. i know. i've been on your television so many times. $10 billion over six years and out of it, half of the $10 billion was reimbursement of services provided. which means it was our money. you were reimburse l us $5 billion. >> we were paying you to do things. the united states was paying you general. the united states was paying you fees for pakistan -- >> no. that was for our services. anyway, let's not get into this discussion because i've said many times you have helped to the tune of about $400 million a year per annum. it's not a great amount if you see the hundreds of billions of

dollars that you've spent here and hundreds of billions you've spent in iraq, if you give park stan for fighting terrorism and promoting your cause, the cause was common, fighting terrorism. if you've giving $400 million to pakistan, that is certainly not such a huge amount. >> the past helps understand why we are where we are but the question is how do we move forward. you have your own situation right now. you're technically under some type of detention. but you seem to be working 0 your way out of your political and legal problems there which may be a commentary of the instability of the government there. it's about where you go now. you have a situation now with these children who have been sacrificed in a war they have no role in. and it begs the question of whether or not there will be a new resolve to fight the radical lichl in your country. do you believe that will happen?

>> it will happen. i think it will because the people of pakistan want it. people of -- >> all right. we lost the general there. but, look -- i think he's back. >> -- and the military is totally -- military also feels that we have to crush them. therefore it will happen. let me also say, the problem is you can help us, you don't help us. now the certain, the commander is the man who is the head of etp. do you know where he is in he's in afghanistan and i'm reasonably sure that he's being supported -- he was supported by the karzai government. he's being supported by india who carry out these terrorists attacks in pakistan. i am reasonably sure that your intelligence would be on board.

they must be knowing where he is. why don't you help pakistan? the problem is your terrorists have to be our terrorists but our terrorists, somehow you ignore that. you don't take them to be your terrorists. why don't you help pakistan? >> i think the -- >> lay off. why didn't you tell president karzai to hand over this man to pakistan? have you said this? no, sir, never. >> general, i understand your perspective and i know that it is complicated. however, you know, the united states and the west could ask you the same question. you have former military officers that are hemming organize the taliban in afghanist afghanistan. you must have good intelligence also because they're your own people there. it's complicated. general mu shar raf, there's a lot of speculation you may come back into power there as bizarre as that might sound. we thank you for your perspective and we look forward to seeing where you take the

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the new york premier of the controversial new movie "the interview" tomorrow night is canceled as a major theater chain announces it's pulling the plug as well. all to a terror threat. this as two former sony employees file a class action lawsuit alleging that sony failed to secure its computer systems. let's begin with our senior media correspondent and host of "reliable sources." also joining was an attorney

with the seattle law firm that's filed the compliant. brian, i want to start with you. the past 24 hours have gotten more ominous. we're not just talking about salacious e-mails, we're talking about threats. they threatened to do a 9/11 attack on any tleert that actually airs this movie. what's happening? >> they want to scare them away from seeing the film. i'm afraid the theater owners are giving them power by deciding not to show the movie. this puts sony and the theaters in a tough position. sony is saying we understand that if you don't decide to show the film. maybe they could stream it online. >> isn't that the answer? isn't that the answer? otherwise movie theaters, nobody want a repeat of the aurora colorado tragedy. >> we're talking about cyber hackers. might be sitting in the basement in the middle of nowhere doing this. we don't think that vi that much

power. federal government said they don't think there's any threat here. but the mere words and possibility is enough to make the theater owners walk away. and the source told me, the concern is not about "the interview." the fear is that they won't go to the theaters at all. >> you're probably right. it is probably hackers in a basement somewhere. however, the nypd, no shrinking violence felt it was best to cancel the premier because they can't tell if it's a psycher attack or a physical attack. as of today they actually can't tell what these cyber hackers are threatening. >> they want to install fear. and we as americans, we as citizens of the world don't have to let them succeed in their attempt to instill fear. we think about this in sydney earlier this week and we think of that today as a comedy movie that's become a dig controversy.

>> i want to start with you about what -- your law firm represents some of the employees who say that sony was reckless in terms of their computer system. what are the employees claiming? >> the employees are claiming that sony was already well-informed of the security breaches that had occurred in the past couple of years, that it knew that its data had been compromised and was at risk of further compromise. and it did nothing to secure that data to make sure that employees' most personal and sensitive information could not be accessed. and now in the hands of criminals. >> what sorts of information are we talking about? >> well, we're talking about the kinds of information that would be in most of our employer files, social security numbers, salary, bonus information, severance package information, dates of birth, passport scans, all kinds of information that

are now available on the black market. >> now if in fact sony did know that their computer systems were vulnerable, why didn't they do anything about it? >> well, that's a very good question. and we don't have a good answer. i mean, what's come to light and in fact through some of the hacked information, is that sony's general counsel and its i.t. department had serious concerns about the safety of its electronically stored information. and we also know that it was looking for opportunities to make cost cutting and accepted the risk of not protecting its security further. when you take those facts further with the prior hacks and release of information, for instance in the sony playstation litigation which was just settled by sony a couple months ago, you have a situation that is quite outrageous and egregious and it's really

upsetting to the current and former employees. >> quickly, how much money are your clients seeking? >> it's really hard to put a dollar figure on this. but i can tell you it is not going to be cheap for these people for the rest of their lives to monitor their identity and their credit by, you know, purchasing security from various service providers. these services do not come cheaply. and so it's going to be expensive for them to try and mitigate the damage that sony has caused. >> you know, it's a reminder that there's been embarrassing e-mails. but there's serious damage done to a lot of rank and file employees. medical records and social security numbers, that's real trouble. >> no only will this lawsuit cost must be, who knows what the future of this movie is and its reputation has been tarnished. where does sony go from here? >> it's a serious financial

blow. at the town hall meeting the head of the company tried to ensure staffers that they're in a strong position. they're not talking about the end of the company. they're still making movies and the television shows. >> thanks for all of the information this mark. we want to hear from you on this topic. would you go see this movie despite the threats? should bit relaced at all? go to facebook.com/new day or tweet us at new day. if you're one of those folks who feels young at heart, you could be add years to your life. this is about science. researchers have dug up facts and when sanjay gupta comes in here, our doctor is going to fif you the information on the new reckoning of how we feel meaning how we are. by the way, sanjay is 11.

here we do with the five things you need to no. a major theater chain pulled a movie "the interview." the new york premier of the film also canceled. pakistan is in mourning, burying its dead after tuesday eesz horrific attack where 145 people were killed, 132 of them

children. australian's prime minister demanding a joint investigation into the siege in sydney. he wants to know how the gunman was able to legally obtain a weapon and get citizenship to the country. the family of the man fatally shot inside a ohio walmart is suing the retail giant and the police. they're seeking at least $75,000 in restitution. russia's economy teetering on the edge of disaster. questions looming into whether president obama's sanctions against the country played a role. we update those five things to know. all right. are we ready for the new edition of new day, ynew you. you know the saying, you're only as good as you feel? joining us, our youthful and wise chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. talk to us about this. is there science behind this

that if we feel younger we will live younger? what did they find out? >> people have believed this obviously for a long time. and people have been trying to add meat on the bones in terms of scientific study. this was an interesting study which is why we decided to bring it to you. about 6500 people were part of the study. the average age was around 65. they asked them, how old do you feel. these were people with similar health profiles. the people who felt the youngest when they went and followed them over the next eight years, they were the most likely, almost twice as likely to still be alive as compared to people who felt older than their actual age. again, they controlled for this whole notion of what is your health profile right now, all that is the same. just how do you feel? that was the question they asked in terms of your age and people who felt younger seemed to have the most likelihood of still being alive eight years later.

>> does old age begin when he get gray hairs and wrinkles or is it when we feel like we have gotten old? >> when does old age begin? it's the age old question. it's interesting. it very much depends on who's answering the question. you ask a 65-year-old, they're more likely to say 70. ask a 70-year-old, they're more likely to say 75. it's always older than what you typically are. the average age is around 65 years old but that's also because of the construction around retirement probably and people leaving their professional lives around that sage. we know between the age of 30 and 70 on average we age a percent and a half a year. so you can sort of -- we do get gray hairs with half of the hairs have turned gray by age 50. but in terms of when old age begins, that's very much up to the person who is being asked. >> all right. we'll explore this a little

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former florida governor jeb bush announcing on facebook that he's decided to ak tuffly explore the possibility of running for president. that's husband direct quote. he's also going to establish a leadership, political action committee to start the process. what does this mean for any other would-be candidates? jing us to discuss, paul ma galley la. the senior adviser for the priority action. and republican strategist ana that vnavarr navarro. great to have both of you. okay. ana, let me start with you. how does jeb's announcement change the landscape for everyone? >> you know, frankly, what it tells us is that jeb is taking the next step. he's a very disciplined guy. he set a timeline for himself by the end of the year.

he would either pull the plug or move to the next phase. you know, i'm not sure that it should affect other candidates. i think running fg president is a very personal vidized decision. each of them have to look at their own circumstances, their own time lyons and weigh they own consideration and they should do what jeb is dush. jeb isn't running looking at theest rest of this field. he's running looking inside himself. that's what everybody needs to do. >> paul, if you're another republican from say, i don't know, florida, then does it change your calculus? >> i think it does. i don't know it will, but it should. i think ana is right in an ideal world. and i'm sure she's right about jeb. my experience is most people who decide to run for president do it backwards. they think well i'm better than that knuckle head. and jeb getting in i think could, should, crowd out a lot

of other candidates. very difficult for me to see marco rubio being able to find much space in a primary where jeb is already running. >> ana, the problem is that there is a must here which is you must have your candidate come out of the primaries as unscathed as possible because you've got to take on the general and you may have a formidable candidate on the other sides. if jeb comes into the primary, you tell me why he wins and how easily or difficult would that happen. >> look, i don't know how easily or difficult i will be and we really won't know until we know what the rest of the field looks like. what i do know is he's given a lot of thought to the kind of candidate he wants to be. you're not going to see a guy who bends himself into a pretzel shape to accommodate groups and change his principles and convictions midstream in a primary. so either folks are going to find that refreshing and judge

him on his complete record as governor, they're going to get to know him, jeb, not just the last name, or they're not. i would say to folks, give the guy a chance, listen to him, judge him on his position and vision and then we go from there. but if it means, you know, shifting zigzagging way right to zigzag to the middle, that's something he's hell bent on not doing. and he's cognizant, cost mitt romney the general last time. >> let's talk about hillary clinton. here is the latest poll of what many think we will see in 2016. that is hillary clinton against jeb bush. 43% to hillary clinton, 37% to jeb bush. what do you think is in hillary's mind after the jeb bush announcement? >> it's a good thing that michael bloomberg is a billionaire. he wasted money with that poll.

both of us would tell you those polls are a absolutely worthless this far out. to quote his big brother, i would not misunderestimate jeb bush. >> what about hillary? >> that was a shot he just took. >> i heard that. >> he's a smarter younger brother. >> sometimes chris those little brothers are smarter than the big brothers, don't you think? >> he's pandering and it's working. look, it's working on chris. does this change hillary's calculation? >> not at all, no. it doesn't. >> who sizes up better against hillary than jeb bush on the other side of the fence? >> i think there's a lot of talent over there. >> who is better? >> i don't know about better because we haven't put them on the track yet. the republicans the last time had a weak field, they really did. and mitt romney was the class of the field. it's a very low bar. wit as lame field. they had one good candidate. this will be a strong field for the republicans.

you watch. >> your analogies are fun, paul. >> i don't think -- i suspect in the clinton house hold right now nobody is surprised that jeb has taken this next move. in fact the last conversations i've had with bill clinton, you know, he's been predicting this move for a while. and he loves to be a political prognosticator. i don't think it changes hillary's timeline at all. she's got to decide if he's going to run. and 0 only if she's not going to run does she have to say something soon. unlike jeb, hillary does freeze the rest of the democrat field and is the undisputed front runner on the democratic field. >> the timing was a surprise and the method, yeah, through facebook and the timing before the holidays. what do you think was going on there? >> i think jeb has -- he's got to get out there. i think this is smart. he hasn't run for anything since 2002, which is probably a good thing.

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we do have major breaking news for you right now. alan gross, an american contractor who is imprisoned in cuba for the past five years, there is word now he has been released. he's on a plane right now returning home from havana. this is part of a deal for his freedom. three members of a spy ring known as the cuban five are being sent back to cuba. >> gross was jailed for bringing satellite communications equipment to cuba. we are also hearing that president obama is set to announce a major overhaul of the u.s. cuba policy. we have complete coverage of this breaking news for you but let's get first to our global affair correspondent. what do we know? >> as you said, sit a landmark deal between the u.s. and cuba. cuba has released alan gross, his health really failing. and the u.s., naturally, his family really concerned about

hip. the u.s. and cuba swapping spies. the u.s. releasing three of the cuban five. cuba also releasing an asset that's been in jail in cuba for more than 20 years. officials tell me with gross's humanitarian release, president obama is set to announce later today the most sweeping overhaul in u.s. policy against cuba since the embargo was imposed in 1961. and the initiatives that the president will announce today means relaxing the travel regulations, a resumption of banking between u.s. and cuban banks an increase in this remittences that american consist send back to their families back home in cuba. the president will allow expanded commercial and exported sales of goods and services to cuba. and officials are telling me that president obama will move to restore formal diplomatic

ties to cuba. why now? official say there have been some modest reforms on the island. they want to encourage that. they stress this is not a reford for the castro regime. but they say a recognition of the embargo is not working. if the u.s. wants change in cuba, needs to engage more with the people and the cuban government. president obama going to make that announcement later today and officials stress not letting up on the human rights. >> this is a major sea change you're announcing. it was just earlier this month that alan gross's wife made a heartfelt plea for his relief. he will not endure another glye in cuba. he was afraid he wouldn't last another year. >> the talks have been going on for the better part of a year, alison. the u.s. was very clear they did not want this to be a swap, if you will, of spies. they do not consider alan gross

a spy. he was a u.s. aid contractor there trying to deliver cell phones to the area. the cubans said he was trying to form a cuban spring. but as the talks began to increase and things got more clear, more things became part of the deal. now cuban also agreeing to release 53 prisoners from a list provided by the united states, also allow more access to the internet and for the international red cross and u.n. to come back for the first time in years. the vatican has gotten involved and is now a kbarn tore of this process. >> thanks so much. the policy changes on the half of u.s. is going to be very controversial but let's get right to havana right now. ka bu released not only 53 of their own political prisoners but an american as well. patrick, when did you get the

word that he was going to be gone. how did it go getting him to the plane and gith him on his way home? >> reporter: this has been going on for weeks. you have to wonder what's going on alan gross's mind as he leaves cuba across the straits of florida. he's spent five years in cuban prison. he's missed so much of his life back in the united states. he wasn't there when he mother passed awap pe he wasn't there when he daughter fell ill with cancer. he never thought he would be able to return to his country. he was sent here on a government mission to bring internet to the cuban people. e this country has very little internet access. he was caught her, sentenced to 15 years in prison. and he, as of recently just a few weeks ago, said he didn't know if he would ever leave cuban prison. you have to think what's going through his mind. as well as, the cuban intelligence agents that are being returned, one of them was facing a double life prison nn u.s. federal prison, basically a

death sentence. for these individuals being returned to cuba, they're going to face elbragss sheer. it will probably be the biggest celebrations we've seen. so certainly a major campaign by the part of the cuban government which is really used alan gross as a bargaining chip to bring their agents back and when they do return here to cuba, you expect to see major celebrations. but what elise was just talking about, it's going to take weeks if not more to sort through the impact it's going to be on regular cubans lives. this we're talking about more money, more americans coming to cuba. really a loosening of relations that we've not seen in some years here >> it's interesting that you bring up elongonzalez. what do we know about this time. did this involve fidel's brother speaking directly to the white

house? >> yes, that's our understanding that there's been communication at the highest levels of the government. there have been all sort of back channels whether it's been the vatican, other heads of state. we need to mention alan gross's attorney scott gilbert who has spent more time in cuba than any other american. he's been here every month talking to cubans, negotiating with carrying messages back and forth and really done the impossible in a lot of ways because people thought alan gross was going to die in prison. he's told he can't walk, that he had really given up hope and it turns out that hope was not lost. he will return to the united states today and this is the end of the nightmare for him and his family. >> obviously this is going to be about the controversy of change u.s. policy. the cuban community and the united states very forth right believing that cuba needs to be sanctioned. >> christian, what do you think

the significance is? >> this is huge if the president of the united states is going to announce a resumption of the ties. this is a major big deal. it's not just about these individuals. they have sort of the obvious face saving if you like human manifestation of what appears to be a major policy change by the united states. europe where i am right now has long said, along with more an more americans that obviously the policy of the last r50 years has failed. the policy was enacted to remove the regime in cuba and to or to change the position and policy of the regime in cuba by punitive means. and it simply hasn't worked. i've been talking about traveling to cuba many, many years talking to the "the new york times" editorial writer who, as you all know, has done major full-length editorials about this, calling for the "the new york times" a different policy with the united states and cuba. and he has said that one of the

things the united states has found is that in all of their bilateral meetings, in the hemisphere, cuba is a major thorn in the side. also, engagement by europe, by canada and others have had a mitigating effect on cuba. now obviously critics in the united states will say that their human rights policy remains la meantable. but the feeling is that to try to change that through engagement is better. and in the politics of the u.s., very importantly, major people in the democratic party, for instance, hillary clinton, former florida governor chris have all talked about the failure of this policy and demographics in the united states have shown that the policy of hard line sanctions is no longer a majority policy amongst cuban americans, even though there are very high profile members of the senate who believe it still should be enacted. by and large the cuban americans have changed in where they view american and cuban relations.

this is a very big deal. >> let's get back to cuba. we are on the ground there obviously in havana. let me ask you something. what is the word about what this means among cuban people? is this something they've looked forward to? what is the hope now? >> reporter: the hope is tremendous, chris. cubans look towards the united states, their relatives in the united states. they want to have more contact with the united states. the contact that only really under the obama administration we've seen unlimited cuban visits. they've been able to send money. it's a small thing but it's had a major impact here. people are able to see their families again, able to open businesses financed from the united states. so to take off some of the shackles and some of these other things, it's really is process because it's going to be a big change. but it shows a lot of behind the scene diplomacy that we've seen now for months and years.

and all along we've heard that the major impedmemedment to geta relationship more normal to u.s. and cuba has been alan gross. cuba said, even more importantly, return of these three intelligence agents that he sent to the united states. i covered their trial in miami almost 15 years ago and it was very controversial in miami. you can expect in miami there might be protests today because these are people that the cuban american community in miami saw as traitors. you have to give something to get something and it seems that president obama has decided to stake out as one of his major policy initiatives normalizing the relationship with cuba. and