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that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. have a wonderful relaxing weekend if you can. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. [ applause ] "outfront" tonight, breaking news, the president puts kim jong un on nrts vowing to -- on notice vowing to react. >> tonight sony responds. >> and a new terror alert for americans traveling during the holiday travel season. let's go "outfront." >> good friday evening to all. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, the breaking news, the president talking to north korea and sony. president obama was very blunt. he said north korea and north korea alone launched a devastating attack on sony
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pictures and vowed to respond but stopped short of saying what and when that would be, only that he would do it at a place and time of his manner. but his harshest marks were not about north korea. it was more about sony. >> sony is an organization. i'm sympathetic to the concerns they have faced. having said all of that, yes, i think they made a mistake. we cannot have a society in which some dictator someplace can start imposing censorship here in the united states. because if somebody is able to intimidate folks out of releasing a satirical movie, imagine what they start doing when they see a documentary that they don't like. >> it is a fair point. and that is pretty blunt. the president of the united states coming out.
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if you are sony pictures, coming out and saying you made a mistake. that is not mincing words. well ceo from sony michael lynton replied. >> i don't know exactly whether he understand the sequence of events to the movies not being shown in the movie theaters and therefore i would disagree with the notion that it was a mistake. we have not given in. we have persevered and not backed down. >> our reporters are covering every angle of this story. jim acosta at the white house with what the investigators know about the attack. and brian stelter has more on president's response. but we begin can kyung lah live in north korea. and what are you learning? >> this is a very first comment from north korea. it is coming through reuters, a north korean u.n. diplomat telling diktors that north korea
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is not part of this. basically a blanket denial. it is very much in lock step with the last official statement we did hear from north korea. also denying they were a part of this, in that statement they did say they love it. that they found the movie to be offensive and it is a tate crime to try to insult the leader of north korea. here is the important thing. this is part of a pattern. what north korea has done, blanketwide is they've denied any kricyber attack and on sout korea. and experts here in south korea say the north has been slowly building a cyber army. >> as you've been reporting all week and we've seen special reports on how they train to attack. and jim is at the white house. some are calling this a game-changer and the president has come out and spoken to the world saying the united states will respond. but he didn't say what or how or
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when. he said time and place of his own choosing. so what options are on the table? >> the white house and other parts of the administration are delling a range of options for the president to review. the president said there could be a response to north korea. he said it would be a proportional response but he would not elaborate whether he would slap north korea with sanctions or unleash a cyber counter attack. he did not deny that kind of response is coming but in an ominous statement the president said in the news conference he will not announce his intentions at today's news conference. and also i want to point out, in the last several minutes the white house put out a statement saying officials here did not discuss with sony whether the company should pull that movie "the interview." and that is what to clarify what the president said about how he wished sony had told him they were going to pull the movie. the president thinks that was a mistake. we do know that conversation took place between one senior white house official and senior sony management, but the white house insists that was not about the movie's distribution.
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>> incredible they weren't aware of that given the size and scope and scale of this. that is shocking. thank you very much, jim acosta. so you've heard sony trying to defend their side saying they didn't back down. but what jim acosta said, they didn't talk about pulling the movie. brian stelter is "outfront." we have a new statement from sony as they are fighting back on this. what are they saying? >> reporter: well one of the things that sony is saying is they are again actively looking for ways to release this movie. in other words we might not have seen the end of the "interview" after all. one part of the statement said without theaters we could not release it on christmas day. we had no choice but to cancel the movie. after that decision, we immediately began actively surveying alternatives to release the movie on a different platform. it is still our hope that anyone who wants to see this movie will get the opportunity to do so. and this is at the sony new york headquarters and right now there
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are discussions going on about who might be willing to help sony do this. they need to help a way to charge people to watch that movie. they don't have that capability themselves. they need partners. and other distributors, a little bit, to show support to sony. for example, earlier today the studio did hear from the chiefs of several other big movie studios expressing support to sony. >> expressing support, brian. but one question i have, and we'll hear more about this in a moment. but the ceo talking to fareed zachary said no one stepped forward to offer video on demand release. >> reporter: right. >> so that would mean a google or a you tube would have to be willing to take on the risks of also being hacked if they distribute this. so is anyone going to take that risk? >> reporter: that is right. that is the thing. it is great for other studios to be saying they support sony and great for actors like george clooney to say that, but they
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need a distributor. a you tube or netflix. someone like that. netflix has declined to comment. and the other big distributors haven't gotten back us to. but we'll hear from them in the next few hours or days. this is a political issue. every distribute has to make a decision whether they are going to help out this movie and stand against north korea or not. >> and stand for free speech, which is everything google stands for. and that would mean you tube, we are talking to you. and now north korea takes on the world and spider marks. let me start with you, gordon, the president said sony made a mistake and it isn't going to be in the movies. is he right? did they make a mistake. >> what he did is craven and
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nobody likes up, but it is not up to sony to protect the liberties of the american people. the person who has the ability to do that is president obama. and unfortunately after bad decades of policy, sony had to make a choice and we don't like their response but it the not their fault. >> any response, spider? >> no. this revealed the assassination of kim jong un and we have the media players and we're looking for support within the media. the larger concern is access to the internet. this un-governed space called cyber space. it is a new domain of warfare. we've been in a state of conflict in cyber space for decades so this is about a capability that is very precise and very lucky it didn't go after jp morgan or the stom exchange or other systems that exist as they are trying to get
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better and better penetration into our cyber dependence. >> which is fascinating. i would bet those institutions, the stock exchange and jp morgan have much better cyber defense than sony. coy be wrong, but that is my bet. but here is what president obama said in his response. i wanted to play this. >> they caused a lot of damage. and we will respond. we will respond proportionally and we'll respond in a place and time and manner that we choose. it is not something that i will announce here today at a press conference. >> so when he said they will respond proportionally, you can't read what is going on in his mind, but what does that mean and is that something that north korea will believe? >> well what he's trying to do is avoid a new round of escalation. we're more vulnerable to cyber attacks than north korea but what he should have said is we
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will respond effectively because we need to stop this style of escalation. this will escalate but the question is who ends up winning in this. and it is important, because we realize we are in a struggle already. >> and does this escalate, as journal marks points out, tougher targets but ones much more significant to all of the american people, a stock exchange, a bank? >> that is where this is going. because clearly north koreans don't take these threats from presidents of the united states lying down. they follow through. and i think what we'll see is a bigger target. we'll see more companies being hacked. this will go on for quite sometime until the united states imposes costs on north korea and friends like china that participate in the attacks with the north. >> so let me ask you about that. because you say friends like china and general you believe they were involved. the president was clear that he would reciprocate and made it clear no one else was involved.
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and he left china out of it. you believe that is true? >> erin, are you speaking to me? >> yes. >> no, china is involved. north korea is a nuclear state and has a computer network attack capability. they didn't get this themselves and responding is beijing and they have embraced pyongyang but for the past decades have been more distant and acquiesced but these capabilities did not root and grow out of north korean soil. this is exporting talent and bringing talent back in and having capability that is indeed dependent upon others and it is clearly beijing. >> if the president isn't going to say anything, is that a sign that the united states is cow arduous or that they will do something to china. >> i hope the reason he didn't say that china was involved
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because he has discussions with china and they are at a very sensitive stage and he thinks he can get the chinese to dump the north koreans. i'm afraid this is going to be like that discussion between the president and ceo michael lynton where he said, no, and the other one siz the opposite. because clearly administration officials are talking to "the new york times" and others that china was involved and we have these reports from reuters that chinese intelligence was involved. so clearly this is going to be a very difficult thing for the president to manage. >> thanks very much to both of you. and there is the great irony. corporations hate the government until they need it. "outfront" next, north korea cyber attack on sony being called a game-changer. so what is next. we have a special report on north korea targeting american nuclear plants. >> that special report is next. plus president obama today talking about race. is black america better off than before the first black president took office? and flying the bumpy skies.
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breaking news. president obama promising a response to north korea for the attack of sony pictures. especially because of growing concerns, the communist regime could strike a nuclear facility next. we have' special report on tonight. kyung lah is "outfront" with it from seoul.
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>> the movie pulled and an international company embarrassed and exposed, perhaps just a warning shot on the the cyber war with north korea. south korean officials say the north has launched a set of crippling attacks in the country and a hack of the nuclear power plant system. this security expert and works with the military and said hackers posted on a blog nuclear power plant blueprints and other secret documents and then wrote this. >> if they do not stop the operation of a nuclear power plant, they will destroy it. >> wow! . very serious? >> yes. >> that raises some serious alarm bells with the government. >> yes. >> reporter: not just because of what was stolen, but because of what this means. they're getting better at it. while the north pleads
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innocence, the south maintains the evidence is there. last year south korea banks and media were hacked and television news knocked off the air. similar mal-ware to what ground sony systems to a halt and similar code to what led to the latest breach of south korean power plants. this is a power. practice first in south korea and then aim overseas. >> should america be prepared for north korea to try to break in to these types of agencies in america? >> of course, he says. even though the u.s. is one of the best prepared nations, cyber attacks are really hard to protect yourself from. so they have to constantly be vigilant. >> you want us to kill the leader of north korea? >> yes. >> what? >> with the sony stunning decision, pulling this movie, it may send a simple signal to north korea. cyber attacks work. >> reporter: and we are learning
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something new on this. the south korean government, we understand, is going through 23 power plants. the reason why is that the suspected hackered posted new ominous threats on the web saying that the virus is in place and it can be activated at any time. now these could be empty threats but after sony, erin, the government does not take anything for granted. erin. >> so at this hour, 23 power plants they are now worried about or at risk in south korea. thank you very much. and i want to bring in tim clemente, along with mark rash and our analyst bob bear and also formerly with the cia. great to have all of you with us. let me start first, mark, a reaction from you in terms of what was reported this hour, the south korean government saying the hackers perhaps may have a virus in place that would attack 23 power plants.
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it would seem, if this is true, we don't yet know if this is a real threat or not, but this is escalating this even further. >> oh, it absolutely is. and even if it is not a real threat, the idea is that you can disrupt the power plant and operations simply by issuing the threat. it requires you to go become and revalidate every piece of software and every piece of code within a very complicated network. so that is a way to disrupt it even by just making the threat. >> bob, would north korea attack u.s. nuclear power plants, as you her kyung lah talk about looking at the plans and attempting in south korea? >> erin, absolutely. i've watched this regime for years. in 1987 they brought down a korean airliner. they've taken hostages from japan and you go on and on. and they attacked an american ship off the coast, unprovoked attack. yes, they are capable of doing it. you have to look at north korea as -- i think they are crazy,
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but it is a theokracy. and they will escalate if we go after them. and you have to wonder whether closing down movie theater or keeping this movie from the premier wasn't a perfect idea because they are perfectly capable of attacking them. >> let me follow up on that. you're saying perfectly capable of attacking u.s. theaters? >> i think so. they have no networks here. but they could throw a grenade into a theater. i think that is an irrational decision for us, but they could make that decision. i could see it very easily. these people, when we used to track them in the 80s, i remember this distinctly, they were distributing heroin out of the em basses and steal dogs to make coats out of them and they kept old temples in the embassies for the supreme leader. this is very odd people.
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and like i said, we consider them irrational but i think they are capable of going after us in this fashion. >> and pretty incredible. you say they are capable of attacking those theaters to remind viewers, they had issued a threat of 9/11 style attacks if that was released on christmas day. sony pulled the movie. but now we are in a position where the president of the united states vowed a retribution at the time and place of his decision. and this is the united states of america, and once that happens, that just by definition is an escalation in the eyes of north korea, i would imagine. so then what do they do? >> what does north korea do or what do we do? that is the big question. it would depend on what we do. if we are going to enforce sanctions against north korea or increase what we already have against them, i don't know what the response would be to that. but if there is retaliation in our own krieb ear tack on them -- cyber attack on them,
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but i don't think there is anybody more essential than the united states. what we did in the iranian program, we could do to north korea and cripple their industries. >> and israel has never taken credit for that but widely reported that it was an american virus that disabled the nuclear facilities and set them back. when you think about crucial pieces of infrastructure that affects of americans and you think of power plants and nuclear power plants. but you think of air travel. is that a target? >> any system which is something that controls other things, whether it is power plants or air transportation, it is vulnerable and its a target. i think for air transit what will you see more likely is a denial of service attack. so the idea that you flood the air traffic control system with tracker and therefore shut is
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down for a day or a couple of days and something like that. and that is crucial to our infrastructure. >> and bob, where do you think the air system is most vulnerable? >> i think we are vulnerable all across the country. the hoenl computers that are -- the only computers that are safe are stand-alones and of course every industry is hooked up to the internet. it is not safe. and the government has understood this for years but private industries and airports and nuclear facilities haven't completely been regulated in this fashion. >> tim, i see you nodding. >> i worked closely with the nuclear energy institution when i was working counter terrorism and nuclear security was very big and one of the things as bob just mentioned, anything connected to the internet is vulnerable. anything. once you have access to the internet, you may have let the barbarians in the castle dwoor. >> and you are taking about planes flying by wire, and that goes back to a essential computer but it does for a lot
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of people raise fears. >> it should. and as bob mentioned earlier. this is not a stable, sensible regime. this isn't somebody you can negotiate with. this is a history of lunatics running north korea. barbarian lunatics, what they've done to their own people, they would certainly be willing to do to others outside of their country as they've proven. >> and if north korea can do it, there are other non-state actors who would like nothing more than to infiltrate the u.s. air traffic system or a fly live by wire train, or isis and others. >> isis is just amazing in their capabilities with computers. they have a lot of young people there from western europe, the united states, who can run this stuff too and do an a -- an assault like this. and why not. we are so vulnerable. we have not paid attention and gotten vulnerable and we have warned this is coming from the cyber command. like we just said, any computer
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that is online is vulnerable. >> and mark, what is the bottom line? there will be public attacks on commercial air travel. >> i don't know about commercial air travel but on critical infrastructure and they will come from both state and and non-state actors and that corporations are the target. it won't just be defense contractors and the u.s. government, it will be corporations who need to dedicate much more resources to protecting their own assets. >> thank you to all of you. pretty sobering conversation. and next, breaking news, a new travel warning tonight. and the president speaking candidly about race today. is black america better off now than before he came into office. and tonight we're watching protesters march live through the streets of new york city. they are gathering again. they are not stopping. this is gaining traction and steam across this country during this holiday. we'll be right back. ♪
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breaking news tonight, a new warning for americans traveling over the holidays. state department is issuing an alert saying their threat analysis, quote, strongly suggests a focus by terrorists not only on the targeting of u.s. government facilities but on hotels, shopping areas and places of worship and schools among other targets during this holiday period. this warning to americans traveling overseas come es in t wake of a 16 hour siege in a coffee shop in australia. what do you think about this? >> this is fairly alarming. it is encouraging people to
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maintain a high level of vigilance, hotels, shopping and places of worship and schools and not in any particular country but around the world. that is very broad. i spoke to the state department and they said this is not based on any specific threat today on those places, it's based on an analysis of attacks on sydney and they have no double stand d standards policy that when they have this, they are required to share it with the public. sort of like a disclosure. but the warning is so broad it is difficult for people to exercise this kind of vigilance virtually wherever they go in the world. but this is one of those abundance of caution messages and shows where we are in the world today that you have with -- with lone wolves, you don't have a lot of warning. you won't necessarily have a credible and specific threat before something happens. so i think that people out there who are listening to this, they
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should take it to mind but they shouldn't necessarily be scared or losing sleep over this. they should just be conscious of this is the era we live in. >> which is a terrifying thing that we have to think and live that way. jim skuta, thank you very much. >> protestors on the streets of new york city. it is a friday night and it might be cold, but a large crowd tried to shut down a bridge that connects to brooklyn. and the protesters are not backing down. the demonstrators are still turning out more than two weeks after a grand jury decided not to indict a white police officer after the choking death of eric garner, a black man. earlier today the president spoke at length about the state of black america. >> what is the state of black america as we talk about those issues as well as race relations in this country? >> like the rest of america,
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black america in the aggregate is better off now than it was when i came into office. the jobs that have been created, the people who have gotten health insurance, the housing equity that has been recovered and the 401(k) pensions recovered, a lot of those african-americans are better off than they were. >> joining me now jay karner and april ryan. you just saw the question of the president. she's also author of the presidency in black and white. and april, since you asked that question, let me ask you, you said he couldn't take about race like this in his first time. and i believe you said it could have been political suicide. so is he going to do more now. is race now a core of the rest of his presidency? >> well, erin, one thing is for sure, things are not over when it comes to ferguson and new york and to cleveland. remember, we still have a report that is due out from the justice
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department on the trayvon martin situation. and then we still have yet to hear from the report when it comes to ferguson. so we still have that to tool with. and the president, i'm sure, is waiting to hear from the justice department and the trayvon martin report is very slow right now. but the first term, you have to remember, this is a president who happened to be black. now there are issues that are really hitting him square in the face that come to him as a black man. and as black people, we feel certain things that other communities don't. so he is addressing them. the first term would have been political suicide for him to address these issues like he is right now. >> and one of the things he did say at the end of the term, jay, was about trayvon martin. now you advised him on how to deal with the race issue and you were there when he said something -- frankly, that struck the nation that no one has forgotten. let me play it again for the viewers. >> if i had a son, he would look
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like trayvon martin. >> jay, that was an incredible moment and a personal moment. did he think about that before or did it just come off the cuff? >> erin, i advised him on a lot of things and things he should say in press conferences and speeches, but when it came to matters like that, he used his own judgment and tended not to listen to his advisers at all and what he said there was completely from the heart and completely thought-through. i think what april said is exactly right in the sense that the issues that have presented themselves in the last few years, including at the end of his first term with trayvon martin, have been more personal. and when he can speak about an incident like that, in those kind of terms, i think it resonated with african-americans around the country and especially parents and to americans of all colors. i remember after he made those staples and after he spoke again about trayvon martin, i got an e-mail from a senior staffer for
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a leader in the house of represents on the republican side and said i don't agree with him on a lot of things but what he just said was incredibly profound and effected me. i think when he is best able to use the platform of the presidency to talk about these issues in a way that everybody can hear and not just one race or the other. >> so it is an interesting point and a hopeful point that you're making, jay. but april, what do you make what -- it is under me right now. polls. 6% race relations say things are better under obama. 6%. he's a black president. he's taking on this issue. that number seems -- that number seems horrible? >> it seems horrible. it is. 6% of americans believe that race relations are be-- are better. that is saying something. that 6%, i don't know where they live, but race relations have been and will continue to be a problem. it is not just a legislative
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issue but it is a heart issue. and we are things we haven't seen before. and now literally the whole world is seeing what african-americans have dealt with for many years. this did not just happen, it is srpt -- isn'ts old and this will take a while and we have to change hearts and legislation and this is speaking as a report and an african-american. >> and jay, now the president is saying -- because the trayvon martin point at the end of the first term and i remember at that moment because it was so perm and he was often careful to be empathetic but not too close and now he's much more emotional over all about it. and so he and the first lady just gave an interview to people which i'm sure you read. but here is a quote from him. he said there is no black male my anyone who is a professional who hasn't come out for a restaurant and waiting for their car and somebody didn't hand them their car keys.
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>> and miss obama talked about an incident when she went to target and the only person who came up to me in the store was a woman who asked me to take something off the shelf. these kind of things happen in life, so it isn't anything new. jay, have they made a concerted decision to make this personal to make race a core and critical focus of the rest of his presidency? >> i don't think it is a decision in the sense that they had a meeting and they thought, okay, now we're going to approach it this way. i think they've learned over the years, as they've had these positions, president and first lady, about how they can be most effective in talking about these issues which are very sensitive and very hard. and when they can talk about them in personal ways that resonate for anyone, because we've all walked out of restaurants, but only if you are a black american male are you lookly to have the experience that the president had and have somebody hand you their keys or ask for the keys.
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and i think that what the first lady said is also something that can resonate because i think what they are trying to do is create commonality. to have people of different races to be able to see things through everyone else's eyes. and that is a hard piece of business, because legislation is one thing and we've had a lot of historic legislation over the past 50 years, but the work needs to be done often now is working in hearts and minds. >> and before we go, i have to play something unprecedented that happened at today's press conference. april was one of the women, but let me play what happened. here it is. >> thank you, mr. president. would you consider taking some sort of symbolish step like watching the movie yourself? >> thank you, mr. president. looking ahead, what would you say to dissidents inside of cuba. >> and you spoke about 2014 being a break-through year and you ended the year with executive actions. >> jay, every single one of them was a woman and then there was april.
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she was the one that wasn't on the list. she got in there unscripted, which was -- which was the special one. >> the special one. >> that is what i'm saying. you didn't know in advance. >> i didn't. >> but jay, the white house defended this move of calling on all women. the quote was they had a unique opportunity to highlight the number of women that cover the president. and that is a good thing. and i'm torn on it. do we need to highlight the number of women that cover the president, are we past that? >> i think it is important. most press conferences the president has and the press conference i have had. i called on april all of the time. >> no you didn't. >> i did. you are one of my favorite. >> okay. >> but there are men in that room. and i think it is important to highlight some of the most important reporters from the most important news organizations that cover the most important office in the land are women and they are good
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and they are tough and ask questions every bit as good as male colleagues. i don't think they are making a bigger point than to highlight that act. >> that is a great thing. but i wish americans just knew that and assumed that and we didn't have to make a point on calling on all women to point it out? >> let me say this. the history in this place is not the history for women. it started out as a white male-dominated room and it is still that way. and remember back when president kennedy was president, many people who are still alive and remember that time, helen thomas was one of those who went to president kennedy and told him, look, women are not allowed to that wonderful white house correspondent association dinner and you could be a member of the association but not going to the dip -- dinner. president kennedy was going to boycott the dinner unless women came in. and the boycott from the women or the women going to talk to the president helped women usher -- usher women into that dinner as well as usher the
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women into other areas in that room. and in 2014, we're talking about president kennedy and we're looking at 2014 and we just had this happen. there is still a long way to go. >> i guess it is true. there is a part of me that just thinks, oh, goodness. it is a bummer we need to point that out. >> erin, we have to bring you along. come on. we have to bring you along. >> erin. >> go ahead, jay. >> and there were times, and april remember this is, in a briefing, when i would look at the front row, the first row in the briefing rom and a lot of tvs there and the associated press and reuters and there were days when every single seat was filled by a white male. and that is in 2014. that is not always the case. and sometimes there are a lot of women. but -- but the field is not quite level yet. >> that is an interesting point. >> it doesn't reflect america it. does not reflect america in that room at all. >> i'm certainly not. if you look at college campuses, you still see men sitting in the front row. >> "outfront" next, it is
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americans are taking to the skies in record numbers this holiday season and if this past week is any indication, some of them could be in for a very bumpy ride. so tuesday severe turbulence hit
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this american airlines flight from dallas to south korea. passengers were terrified. some were seriously injured. they had to make an emergency landing. other frightening problems range from engine trouble to unruly passengers. rene marsh is "outfront." >> reporter: severe turbulence and a mid-air brawl and a flight attenda attendant scalded with hot water and an exit opened. a frighten week packed with passengers. an american airlines flight from dallas to south korea hit severe turbulence. 14 people hurt and five hospitalized. this woman was struck in the head with a glass plate and food carts overturned. the turbulence caused by a strong winter storm off the coast of japan. the plane makes an emergency landing. everyone is now out of the hospital. the problem on this thai air asia flight, a passenger upset
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about her seating assignment tosses hot noodles on a flight attendant, scalding her. >> airlines would appreciate even stricter laws about this. but they, themselves, can do a little more than they are doing and it could come down to just announcing it. right after you talk about not spoking in the -- smoking in the lavatory or you face a fine arks announce there could be a 25,000 dollars fine for causing a disturbance on a flight. >> and then there is this united airlines flight from london to new york. the pilot had to circle over the english channel for three hours dumped fuel before landing safely. and caught on camera, two women in a mid-air smackdown. on board air china, the fight reportedly stemming from a crying baby. >> the good news is, these are still the exception not the rule. most lights go off with none of these kinds of problems but it does happen. >> reporter: from 2007 to 2013,
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more than 28,000 cases of unruly passengers recorded by the airline industry, ranging from violence to not following safety instructions. >> you have people who presumably are nice people at other times in their lives but you put them together in an airplane and they lose their minds. >> well despite these incidents, this is actually one of the safest times in aviation history. now when it comes to turbulence, you saw the video, it looks scary. but when you look at the statistics from 2013, for example, as few as 24 people were actually injured. and that is not a lot when you consider how many people fly. usually, though, the people who do get hurt are the people not wearing their seat belts. erin. >> thank you >> thank you so much, that video we can agree was just terrifying. my gosh. upfront next, the dark web. this is an online marketplace for illegal drugs and guns and it's also a place you can go to
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that's why i always choose the fastest intern.r slow. the fastest printer. the fastest lunch. turkey club. the fastest pencil sharpener. the fastest elevator. the fastest speed dial. the fastest office plant. so why wouldn't i choose the fastest wifi? i would. switch to comcast business and get the fastest wifi with the most coverage.
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comcast business. built for business. u.s. officials calling the attack on sony a game-changer. that attack carried out by an
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elite group of hackers from kim jong-un's military. but online espionage is also available to just about anyone with access to dark corners of the web. that's a very specific term, and lori siegel is out front with tonight's money and power. >> you want us to kill the leader of north korea? >> yes. >> the next sony-style hack is for sale, in the dark corners of the web. to bring down a web page for an hour, depending on the website, only $2 to $60 on this russian underground page. to redirect people to a fake site, that's going for $750. and what about an attack like the one on sony? >> out of pocket you're looking at $500 to $1,000 of coding time to get something like that the same. >> reporter: all of these services available for purchase on an illegal forum on the dark web, in the deep corners of the internet, often accessed through encrypted browsers. the fbi may have traced the sony attack to north korea, but in the wild west of the internet, you don't have to be a
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sophisticated criminal to launch a devastating cyber attack. you just need an internet connection. >> you don't need to learn how to build a gun anymore. you don't need to be a coder in order to purchase a cyber and add a grenade launcher to it in these forums. >> reporter: many of these forums based in russia, brazil and china are making billions. not just anyone can enter. >> people think they want to visit these forums and buy these capabilities, the second you've entered the forum, you've probably been hacked. >> reporter: as these online communities thrive, more cyber criminals could get their hands on the keys to major corporations. what makes the sony hack different, it wasn't about money. >> the >> what makes the sony hack different, it wasn't about money. >> this one didn't, it was significant. it speaks to the fact that geopolitics are a harbinger for attacks. >> it may level the playing field for smaller enemies everywhere who want something. >> that is a stunning report. you talk about 500 to 1,000
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bucks to do the sony attack. i think, my jaw dropped. i thought it was millions and millions of dollars. how much money do these guys make to provide the service? >> one of the guys i spoke to, makes $10 million a week. i tell you, erin, they have hacker hotlines. you go on and buy your hack and need customer support, they have hacker customer support. you get what you're given. this community in the last couple of years, it's thriving and it's becoming incredibly dangerous. >> wow, that is stunning. $10 million a week. i just, that's incredible. what a great report. laurie, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> and we'll be right back. [ narrator ] mama sherman and the legion of super fans.
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>> thank you so much for joining us on this friday night. set your dvr to record outfront anytime. we hope you have a wonderful weekend. if you've got holiday shopping left to do, get it done. you don't have much time. thank you, ac 360 begins right now. good evening, john berman sitting in for anderson tonight. a cnn exclusive. sony finally speaks. our interview in the middle of the cyber hacking drama over the movie comedy that sparked a real life showdown between the united states and north korea. today, at the white house, president obama blamed north korea for hacking into sony picture's computer network and threatening another 9/11 if sony released the interview. seth rogan, james franco send-up of kim jong-un. the united states would respond which would make headlines. this, however, is what