here to support our officers and work with them on all different levels. mr. mayor, you need to have a sit down and you need to get everything corrected from the mayor's office down this is wrong. we need you to work with the community and the police department. we don't need you to just go to one side. the police department needs you as well. this is what happens. all of this craziness that is going on. what if that was your son sitting in that patrol car? then what? why you don't come out and say that? i will let a member of the family speak for a brief minute for that. >> before they speak, i know how

you guys get. please be gentle, all right? >> spanish. [ speaking spanish ] >> this is martin savage in the cnn newsroom in new york. you are listening to a press conference being held by a number of community leaders as well as family members there was

a demand essentially made of the mayor saying that he needs to sit down with his police force and work out whatever tensions exist. there was also a vigil that is anticipated coming from the community where the shootings took place in brooklyn that will happen at about 6:00. of all the people of new york to come out tonight to show one, their solidarity and their sympathies for the family. you can imagine what a horrific.

>> no questions, please. >> he will always be loved and missed by many. i hope and pray that we can reflect on this tragic loss of lives that have occurred so that we can move forward and find an amickable path to a peaceful co-existence. we would like to extend our con toll enss to the liu family as

well. [ speaking spanish ] >> congressman jeffries. >> let me first just thank juan and tony for bringing the community together to stand with the ramos family. we're here today to get behind this family during this terrible tragedy and time of need. and i'm here to make it clear to

the ramos family that their pain has been felt not just in this community but all the way down to the halls of the united states congress. this is a terrible unthinkable tragedy. by all akounlts, officer ramos was a good man, good father, good husband and a good police officer. he was there for the city of new york to protect that's why it's important for us to be there for the ramos family during this incredible time of need. so we just hopeful that this tragedy will not be in vein and that we will be able to we have

to be respectful of this tragedy. make sure that they are appropriately buried as the heros that they are. and figure out a way for us to come together as the resilient city that we are. >> state senator? >> thank you very much. >> i also want to offer my condolences to the ramos family. my heart goes out to you but the message has to be clear here as juan has mentioned.

a person traveled a long distance to do this. it's a random act and it must stop. we want everybody to really understand that and to the ma r mayor. please set by example. that's the only thing i can ask. to both families, our hearts go out to you. [ speaking spanish ]

our hearts go out to all of the police officers in the city of new york. thank you. >> i think it's safe to say that this morning we all woke up with heavy hearts. we can stand together in times of adversity i will continue sending out thoughts and prayers to the families of officer ramos and his young son. while we are here pointing fingers, let's make sure that we stand together to make sure the family receives the support that they need. thank you. >> thank you. the governor? okay. any questions? >> the name of the rbs to the

family? >> this is on. >> he said the blood is on the mayor's hands. can you react to that? >> he was very upset at the moment. i'm pretty sure that, you know, that once --

>> i'm speaking with several african-american -- the fact that they had to deal with a lot of different avenues of having to do mandated ticketing and summonsing. i think that speaks to a lot of that frustration. he will create that opportunity for us to understand why he is acting in the manner that it is. . you have to keep understanding. that being said, apparently we are looked upon as those that are keeping the city running. having mandates on police officers is not the way to go. this makes people frustrating and that's why you get the

attitude that you get with police officers because they are pushed out there to come after us. >> the opportunity is extended to everybody. out of respect. >> he has supported the nypd? i know you feel like he has not. can you elap rate a little more about what you said earlier? >> could you elaborate a little more on what you said? >> he needs to do both sides. you can't just be one side. he needs to support the police officers as well and this is the reason why he got his back. he didn't support them. that's it. they get paid for a job.

a lot of officers go beyond their job to protect me and . >> this is a very difficult and painful moment for not only the families but my condolences to the family who are heroes. we cannot condone this type of behavior. we need to understand that this guy who committed was a troubled man and we don't know what older mental problems but here we are.

celebrating holidays in new york city. this is we prayed for the city there would have to be a lot of reflection and coming together as a community and as a city the way that we have done it before after 9/11. [ speaking spanish ]

>> i want to go back to that question. we have got a boat load of ministers who want to sit down and have the right conversations. you can't just meet with one person and assume that that person speaks for everybody in our city. >> if you guys want to come forward.

>> we are praying today that dignity might prevail. we pray for them and all families affected that especially in this time when many of us believe that god took the first step to send his son into the world as a baby that we who are so vulnerable might find peace. we pray that you would extend to us the hand of peace at the time. in a time when we are all under such pressure when we are feeling so terribly divided. when we are fractured among ourselves. we pray for the families of those who are victimized. for the ramos and liu family, may they be given all the strength that they need from us

in our communities and from you. we pray for our city that it might be a place that is safe and that peace. we pray for honest conversation that where there is bloodshed and violence you might extend that to us. with a sense that you are protecting us and guiding us. protect them and allow them to serve and protect each of us in our communities as well. guide us as we go forward. we pray it in your holy name, amen. >> thank you everybody. have a good night. if you can please give the family, you have one of the family members speak, if you can please give them their space now so they can be praying with the pastor and family. thank you.

and we heard from lucy ramos, she is the aunt of rafeal ramos where she asked for the entire city and beyond to reflect at this time we're going to talk about what is going on in new york and around the nation with our experts, our panel right after this. ♪ music

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>> two police officers ambushed inside their patrol car gunned down only because their wore police uniforms. the double murder is prompting the new york pd to beef up protection and senior law enforcement increased security is very likely. there was a lot to talk about here. joining me to do that, former director, former new york let me start with you going forward. what other changes do you expect? will officers be warned? don't sit in your patrol car for long period of time? keep the car moving? bullet proof glass? what do you do next? >> none of those are feasible,

martin, in the first place. they have put these officers in various high crime areas to sit in the car just so there is an extra car in the area and they're in a position to have a quick response in the event that something happens. bullet proof glass? no way they are going to spend the money it's not feasible to do that on a large scale basis. so some of those things are just not going to happen. police are well aware of what's occurred. they have been well aware of these things that can always occur. you know about all the potential ways that you can be killed by ambush or die in other manners in the line of duty. they don't need to be told about how many ways they can be killed. they know it already. >> let me turn to the two gentlemen here.

what are ways that you can quickly try to protect officers on the street? >> as far as what happened there? well, the information came out about this particular individual. putting his picture out and all the information out about him. however this guy planned this. he was going kill himself. he didn't care. he was going to find anybody that he could shoot. if it wasn't police officers he could shoot plain clothes officers. >> what about going forward. what can you do? >> not that much more that you can do. the officers can wear their vests. they can be especially more vigilant. keeping the vehicles moving instead of having them sit around. >> i'm very big. the nypd did it several year ace go but they did it wrong.

i knew everybody on a five square block area. they called everybody and asked for me. an officer had been assassinated two years ago on the same beat as mine. i think we need two man police officers out there walking around and getting to know the community. >> the old way of doing things. >> the way we do it now, community officer goes out and does speaking now. the people have got to know the police officer. they come in, make an arrest and move out again. we talked about two cops together all the time, possibly three? >> i spoke to the president and he put out a memo of what to do

under these conditions. >> make sure you wear your vests. police officers have their own unions. where your vest. when you go out, make sure especially the detectives in the precincts go out with at least three guys. be extremely aware of everybody else. keep everybody in tact and not only could they shoot uniformed officers but they know who dctives are and they could shoot them. be extremely aware of what is going on. >> there were a number of other things that were expressed at that press conference. i heard you both talking and in agreement. >> he was talking about police and how they have to give out summons to the community. he feels the pressure is on the police officer.

it's the end of the month. i have got have two arrests this month. i have got to find an arrest out there. something you might let the guy go. when he and i first became police officers there was a thing called the spirit of the law that we had learned about. we just broke it up and that was it. we had discretion to do what we wanted to do. just as long as nobody was hurt. the law wasn't broken. now everything, basically there's a list that these officers have got follow all the time and it takes the 'tis cession away from them. >> i want to bring in tom who is still with us from washington. when we talk about these tactics that can be changed we mentioned

bullet proof glass and other major safety things like that are not feasible. what can police departments do as far as conversations with their officers with the people on the street? >> obviously community policing is one answer as the detectives mentioned. but don't forget when they have these meetings and they go into the communities and the projects and attend school groups, pta meetings, whatever, the guys like this are not going be in those meetings. these scum bags that come out and crawl out from under the wood work at midnight are not going to be attending community policing meetings and making nice. that's the problem, too. generally you do want to win the support of the community to help you fight the common enemy just as much as they are out to kill police officers.

when it's about 10, 11, midnight. here they come. are they going to be out here on the street and they're dangerous? >> uh-huh. >> you raised your hand. we have got to go to break. >> right. i agree with everything you said. as far as going out and speaking to people we might have had somebody who might have said listen, i know what he's going to do. if you get through to the right people the pad guys are not going be out there. it's the good people that find out that will come back and tell the cops. >> we will talk about all of this and a lot more coming up after the break. ♪ ah, push it. ♪ ♪ push it. ♪ p...push it real good! ♪ ♪ ow! ♪ oooh baby baby...baby baby. if you're salt-n-pepa, you tell people to push it.

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>> at a news conference just last hour, the gunman was said

to have 19 prior arrests in georgia and ohio. >> most of his postings and rants are on the instagram account and what we're seeing from this right now is anger against the government. there is one where he burned the flag and made some statements. there are others with talks of anger at the police. he specifically mentions michael brown and eric gardener. anger at himself and where his life is right now. right now we have no gang affiliation at all. he has no religious statements that we found on instagram at all. >> hundreds of police gathered at the hospital where the fallen officers were taken. they stood in silent salute as the bodies were driven away. mayor bill de blasio has

mentioned that there is now more tension. >> there is blood on many hands tonight. those that incited violence on the street under the guise of protest that try to tear down what new york city police officers did every day. we tried to warn it must not go on. it cannot be tolerated. that blood on the hands starts on the steps of city hall in the officer office of the mayor. >> the man who ambushed two new york police officers left a very bloody trail stretching from baltimore to brooklyn. detectives were tracking brinsley as he traveled to new york by following pings from his stolen cell phone.

nick, you have learned who brinsley stole that cell phone from after what was a bloody confrontation earlier. >> that was with his exgirlfriend at her apartment in baltimore, maryland, and that cell phone that he used to continue to post ominous messages about police on his way to brooklyn, that's how police were able to track him down. here's a time line of what happened. >> the onslaught of terror began saturday morning. police say 28-year-old ismaail brinsley shot and injured his exgirlfriend in her apartment hours before he would kill two new york police officers. he posted i always wanted to be known for doing something right but my past is stalking me and my present is haunting me. there was another warning. i'm putting wings on pigs today. they took one of ours, let's take two of theirs.

the posts were flagged but a message to be on alert in new york was just too late. without warning or provocation, brinsley walked up to the patrol car of new york police officers liu and ramos. >> while sitting in a locked nypd police car in full uniform were ambushed and murdered in brooklyn. >> liu and ramos never had a chance to draw their weapons. they were rushed to the hospital where they were immediately pronounced dead. nearby officers gave chase. >> brinsley shot himself in the head, took his own life. >> police recovered a silver semi automatic gun from the shooter which they say was used in the killings. saturday night at the hospital, more tense moments. bill de blasio came to show

respect and officers turned their backs to say that the mayor shares part of the blame. >> there's blood on many hands tonight. that blood on the hands starts on the steps of city hall in the office of the mayor. >> for the family of this slain officer, the focus was not on blame but on grief. late saturday, ramos's 13-year-old son wrote this. today i had to say bye to my father. i will always love you and will never forget you. >> bill bratton issued a message that read in part may god grant rest and to all members of the service, be safe.

>> tom was with us to talk about this when ever i hear the talk of that 13-year-old young man that strikes a cord with all of us. he had made threats and it appeared he was heading to new york but the communication of that didn't come until midday or beyond. was it that it wasn't taken seriously enough? >> i think, you know, they had the information but if you don't have the exact location, you have police officers all over the city. they probably didn't have a photo of him or not. did they have a photo? and, you know, there's not much officers can do unless you know

its exact location, exactly what he's going to do and where he's going to do it at. >> you have to be careful on who you stop and frisk. if you have a reason to stop this person. you couldn't stop a white guy. that's the opposite of that. so definitely you can stop somebody like that. that's a good thing to have a picture of him. it's like people are eating in a restaurant. they will call the police and that's where this is going to happen. all this information has to be taken care of because the baltimore police sending a fax to the new york police, there's -- it has to be a better communication. >> let me just bring in tom real quick. we talk about this linkage between departments and we often

think that they instantly push a button and every department is communicating. that's not the way it works? >> sometimes that is exactly how it works but in this case, my question would be let's say they forward a photograph of him. some is wearing a red hoodie. there are several different pictures that are all different. be on the lookout for a black male in his 20s, armed and dangerous heading to new york to kill an officer, probably brooklyn, then what? are they going to stop and frisk every black male that meets that description on the street? do you know how many hundred encounters there would be? this is something that has been spoken about a lot. i got pulled over. they said i matched the description of some guy they

were looking for some other crime. i didn't do it. they were harassing me. i think there would be an outcry in new york. there would be an outcry if police were aggressively stopping people on the street because they met a general and possibly inaccurate kripgs. >> this brutal attack, is it a direct consequence of the protests we have seen across the country and how did we get to this point? where were police? now they are also considered targets by some. we will talk about that and we're also waiting for the candle light vigil when we come back.

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>> the top police officials in new york city and the mayor all regard the killing of these two officers as an assassination and it's not yet clear how this ins tent will impact the already tense relations between police and angry protesters. this was one week ago in new york marchers chanting we want dead cops now. i'm joined by a private investigator and specialist. how would you describe the divide right now between the people and the police?

>> well, first, my condolences to the ramos and liu family under these horrible conditions. the conditions are deplorable right now. one of the things the community can do is take a step forward and extend a hand to an officer today and to the days coming and offer them your support for doing a good job. this is the most vulnerable position you can be in doing your daily reports or frying to finish up a call. there is no way of protecting yourself. we need the community to be involved in assisting the police officers. no department is any stronger than its community involvement. it's not all about protest but support as well.

connect with the departments in that way. also, the police departments -- the police officers need the intelligence that the communities have. this someone is receiving text messages and not just what the baltimore police department was able to send forward to the new york police departments family members and friends could have gave a heads up to assist in meeting these situations before they get to these tragic conclusions. >> let me ask you this and i do agree that everything you have said especially when it comes to community policing and the community needs to be actively involved. many believe they would be

aiding and abetting the problem that they see which is overze louse law enforcement. so reaching out and trying to communicate may not be something they want to do. >> i guarantee you none of these people want to live in a lawless society. i certainly don't. if they do wish for that type of community, there are places tlougtd the world that you can relocate and you can live lawlessly. this is a nation of laws. the people have, for the most part, bought into this. anyone who owns a business. anyone trying to better themselves and family, they want rule of law and you only have that by having police officers and supporting those officers. i'm still connected with the police agencies.

i interface and work with police officers so i'm still connected. >> thanks very much for your insights tonight. >> thank you so much for helping. >> the shooting has exposed a sharp divide between new york's mayor and the police department. hey brandon what's up? so you can talk from down here. smile for grandma! or text pictures from up here. ok, there we go, should we send a photo? you can even make calls, way over here. talk and text over wi-fi, with wi-fi calling on iphone 6. only from t-mobile. now get iphone 6 for $0 down.

going to show you live pictures as we wait now for a vigil, candlelight vigil in honor of the two new york police tee apartment officers killed yesterday. being described as a call for unity in the wake of this horrific strategy. appears it's going to take place right at or near the intersection where the officers were slain yesterday. we'll bring that to you when it happens. relations between new york's rank and file police officers and mayor bill de blasio have been strained since his election campaign which was critical of some police policies. t that tension, though, has only grown since yesterday. officers turned their backs on mayor as he walked through the hospital to take part in a news conference following yesterday's

shooting. and then the sentiment was echoed in a tweet by 12,000 member sergeants benevolent association. i'll read that tweet in part. it says "the blood of two executed police officers is on the hands of mayor de blasio. may god bless their families and they may rest in peace." that's an unquote there. joining me now, retired nypd detective, and harry houk. when the blood of the officer are on the hand of the mayor, it'sen incredibly powerful statement, not to mention the imagery of the officers turning their back on the mayor. what's going on here? >> you know, your viewers may not understand the whole process and the history behind this. first of all, that was pat lynch, head of the police officer's union. his two officers were murdered. >> it's his emotions.

>> it's a long history before that. he ran -- de blasio ran on his -- against the police officers actually. that's how we started with. he came on with the demonstrations, he made lthe alleged assumptions when the officers were hurt by these people throwing garbage cans and punching the officers, one had a broeng no broken nose, the other was hurt. de blasio was saying it was alleged though it was on tape. right away he was on the other side. they said his son, paraphrasing about the fact be careful of the police instead of the other way around. police are good people. >> i understand that. harry, we're talking about a tweet that is saying the mayor is as much responsible almost as the shooter here, that somehow he bears a responsibility for the death of these officer. >> i don't think the mayor is as responsible as the shooter but he did contribute to this occurring along with all this other rhetoric going out there by other alleged leaders, so it's a combination of many

things. to include the mayor where we led to this, where two police officers were assassinated on the street. >> you guys have both been around a long time in this city. have you ever known of a relationship between a mayor and police force to be this bad? >> not this bad. there were other instances with other mayors but i don't believe it was ever this bad. they feel the disdain the mayor has for police officers and all can feel that. and personally, i do, too. i feel the fact that, you know, he's not on the police side. so, both of the sides have to get together and get together and do something about this to fix the problem. >> but can that really be done? because you almost describe a divide now that is so intense it may not be one you can breach. >> it has to be done. he's going to be the mayor for several more years. it has to be done. the first thing the mayor can do is reach out not only to the police department, also the people in the city of new york and apologize to the police

officers for his behavior. say he was wrong. apologize for his behavior. that's where we'll start the healing between the mayor and the police officers. >> you want this as a public apology? >> i want it as a public apology. because he has made -- he has made comments publicly against the police department, so i want a public apology from him. if he really cares about his relationship with the police department, he will do that and prove to me this man can be a leader. >> because clearly the people of new york see this as not only a troubling time with protests on the street, with deaths of officers, but now a fight, if you can describe it that way between the mayor and -- >> it is. basically is a fight at this point. so something has to be done. this is 35,000 cops. they have a lot of power. mayor has a lot of power. they can fight and make this really ugly, so they really have to get together at some point, a public apology by the mayor, may be tough for him but i would say that would help a lot. >> all right. thank you, both, very much. we're going to take a break.

remember, we're waiting on that vigil. it will begin shortly. back after this.

we are now waiting for a

candlelight vigil in memory of the new york police officers. that's wenjin liu and raphael ramos. i was out there. we were both out there. organizers have extended this invitation to all new yorkers, correct? everyone? >> reporter: that's right. and what we're starting to see right now, as you coop san see, thick crowd behind me, all day long, lighting and leaving candles, putting out flowers, putting out messages of hope, peace, remembrance for two officers who were gunned down here just a day ago. what i'm beginning to see right now is actually dozens and dozens of nypd officers just across the street here. they're beginning to file in. we've also got some community officers who are here. this is a vigil announced by the new york city borough presidents who came together this afternoon and they really did extend this invitation to everyone. they want all new yorkers to come together right now, not only to pay tribute to these

officers, but to denounce a hideous attack that's left this city shaken. martin? >> that vigil is about to get under way. when it does, we will bring it to you live. you're in the "cnn newsroom." i'm martin savage in new york. these are difficult days. right now in new york city, it's a somber day. two officers were gunned down in the line of duty. we are waiting for what's going to be a candlelight vigil for the officers raphael ramos and wenjin lui. earlier today at that same spot, the new york city police commissioner william bratton