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remember, you can always follow us on twitter. please be sure to join us tomorrow in the situation room. you can dvr the show so you you can dvr the show so you won't miss a moment. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com the man who assassinated two new york city police officers. what he was doing in the hours before the shooting. and police nationwide on high alert for copycat attacks as authorities investigate at least 15 online threats against new york police. and north korea's the internet goes dark across the nation. is this a responsible to the sony attack? let's go "outfront." a good monday evening to all of you. we begin with breaking news. assassination. that's what the u.s. attorney
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general eric holder only the called the murders of two new york city police officers this weekend. this as new york city and police departments nationwide are on high alert for copycat attacks in the wake of the brutal execution. the nypd is investigating at least 15 online threats. tonight new surveillance video of the shooter just before he went on his rampage. you are looking at him at the mall. that white styrofoam box that he was cupping in one arm probably holds the gun that he used to kill the officers, wenjian liu and rafael ramos. we have the video. he was a spectator on a day of nationwide protests over the deaths of eric garner and michael brown. investigators are trying to determine his motivation as well as what he did during those full two and a half hours before the shooting. new york's mayor asking
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protesters to postpone demonstrations until after the funerals for the fallen officers later this week. how concern are police right now? >> they are very concerned. police calling for double duty. no cops alone. they have them in pairs. they pulled auxilliary police off the streets because of this. on high alert now because of other possible copycat killings. >> reporter: this was the scene saturday moments of a the brutal shootings as paramedics pulled the wounded officers from their car. the two men ambushed. both shot in the head at close range. >> today two of new york's finest were shot and killed with no warning. no provocation. they were quite simply assassinated. >> a 23-year-old ent worker was
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one of the first on the scene. >> the he had family. you don't know if he will go. you don't know, you put your life on the line every day for people. >> reporter: saturday's tragic events began nine hours earlier on saturday. 5:50 a.m., 28-year-oldis maehl shoots his girlfriend, wounding her but not killing her. he takes her cell phone. baltimore county police track him that way. brinsly takes a bus to new york. then on a subway to brooklyn. 1:30 p.m., baltimore are tipped off about a chilling stain gram post. i'm putting wings on pigs today. they took one of ours. let's take two of there's. 2:10 p.m., baltimore police call the nypd. they fax a wanted poster of
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brinsley. the suspect is armed saying he will shoot a police officer today. please use extreme caution. new york police say they saw the fax at 2:45 p.m. shortly before the shooting. >> he asked them for their gang aif i will yag. he asked to follow him on instagram. then he said watch what i'm going to do. >> reporter: at 2:48 p.m., he takes a shooter stance on the passenger side of liu and ramos' car. he then runs to a nearby subway station and shoots and kills himself. that night, candles lit at the crime scene. 13-year-old jayden ramos writes on facebook, today is the worst day of my life. today i had to say goodbye to my faempl he was the best father i can ask for. it is horrible that someone gets shot for being a police officer. nearby, the bodies of the officers are taken from the hospital where they died.
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in the funerals for those two officers will be a massive event in new york city. officer ramos will be laid to rest on saturday. the arrangements for officer liu is taking shape. he has family coming in from china. until all the visas and passports are worked out, his funeral will be worked out later. and it is hope that the harsh words between the police union and the mayor's office in recent days will take a break until after those funerals. >> i would think that will be honored. thank you very much, miguel. joining me now, former new york city police department officer harry houck. former u.s. marshal, let me start with you. do you speck more attacks on police officers? >> i would certainly expect more. i believe the threats the nypd are looking at will be more widespread through the country. if i could just say my thoughts and prayers go out to the liu
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and ramos families and the office here's fell in the lien of duty. such a terrible tragedy. this keenl of thing has been building since the protests. okayly there are reasonable questions about police use of force but something like this is never reasonable. this is never a good alternative. these have been gurgling up. the threats against the police have been made and it will make police work a lot more difficult. not only nypd but a lot of other departments. i was a cop at metro pd. and my friend are having to double up in their squad cars and answer calls for slowly and take a little more time to analyze response before they go which is not good for the people they're trying to protect. >> of course it puts everyone at risk. senior new york city law enforcement officials told cnn of 15 possible online attacks, threats. they're the ones they're aware
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of. this has to be pretty terrifying for police on the streets. >> i tell you, they're probably at a little more raised level than they are now. as every police officer knows, especially when they work in a city like new york. every day they wake up it could be their last day. this is something we deal with every day. it is in the back of your mind as a police officer. now, officers might be a little more vigilant now because of what happened. do i think there will be another attack? i'm not so sure. i sure as hell hope not. the thing is that we have to be aware that it could happen. so everybody needs to be a little more vigilant. what will happen, the police officers will be very wary at anybody that comes close to them with their hands in their pocket. that does raise the question. do you have police again, and given what has just ham, very understandably, being much more quick to respond to someone. to pull out a gun. after all, what happened here is
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absolutely barbaric and horrific. >> that's right. myndolences go out to the family. as we say all the time. most officers are doing a great job for this family. the concern right now, as you write, will there be overreaction? most of the time in my 30-year career in law enforcement, i found a lot of times when instances happen like this, there is a little overreaction. we're hoping the police left-hand side. don't overreact. do your job. of course we put on the badge and the gun. we know our lives are in danger. at any given time, you get somebody throughout that wants to take the police out. that's exactly what this guy did. he was a maniac of himself and i agree what the officer just. officers should be more alert. we know when we put that badge and that gun on. >> is there a rick of overreaction? >> i'm not so sure about a risk
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of overreaction. i think officers will be a lot more careful. like i said before, i would be a little weary somebody starts walking up with their hands in their pock. i would be making sure my weapon is close to me. that might happen. will officers overreact and shoot somebody who is not armed? i don't see that happening. we face the threat all the time. a lot of crime in the city. the comes are very aware of the fact that anything could happen any time. and it is just something as usual. >> obviously, he had been at some protests. that seemed to be a precipitating factor. but a person who was mentally ill. he had shot his girlfriend. he had decided to finish his day who knows how but he edged up killing himself at the end of the day. you have an isis attack on a sydney cafe. beheadings in the united states. there was a social media foot print before it happened.
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is it possible for this to be identified as risks before? hey, this person has been posting these things. are you still helpless as law enforcement to do something? >> no. i don't think we're helpless. but it depends how far out in advance these warnings or these threats come. if this individual was within hours of attacking the police, i don't know if i'm going to give pigs wings today, i think that statement came out shortly before he attacked the officers and assassinated them. but individuals that do make threats, those thing are being followed up. and we're seeing that now. with the 15 threats. these things prior to this effect weren't looked at with much vigilance but it is now. and social media is a tremendous asset for gathering. it is the fbi looking at these things too, what can they do? >> again, they can simply make certain that officers know that their job is always, there's always someone that can come up
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and be angry with the police and take them out. officers have to be aware. we understand. the main concern is what position do officers take? there is a tweet going around where they showed the officers with the shirt on that says i can breathe. thing like that, i don't know if they were officers but my point is there is a lot of rhetoric going. on it just heats up this whole scenario. and we're trying to calm this sendaryio and bring police together. i think that's what, i'm hoping that the depth of these officers and everyone else that has been killed in these scenarios. i hope that's what it does. >> thanks very much to all of you. there have been a lot of people who have been saying this is the protester's fault. the police union said the mayor had blood on his hands sthooflter and the assassination of two new york city police officers. we'll show you the postings on social media exactly what was so clear beforehand. that story is next.
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and many are asking about those protests. and the protests over the deaths of eric garner and michael brown and whether they are to blame for the shootings. some people are doing it in public, some are doing in it private. we're embarrassed to ask the question. we have a special panel on that. and north korea's internet service blacked out today. my name's louis,
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phone them say that video suggested brinsley was a spectator at that protest. and police then released this surveillance video of brinsley walking through a shopping mall on the day he executed those police. the police are telling us that they believe that that white object in his hands, which they scribble as sort of a styrofoam container, they think could have held the gun them believe it held the gun that he used to execute the police officers. they are asking that anybody who may have seen brinsley on saturday will come forward as they try to piece together the two and a half hours prior to the executions. nick valencia is out front. you've been digging into ismaaiyl brinsley's life. >> his life was full of failure, broken relationships and plenty of run-ins with police. he did not make it past tenth grade at the new jersey high school. it was over the course of ten severe that he was arrested at least 19 time from here and
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georgia and ohio and will with-on. some of those police reports read very violently. in 2013 he head butted his then ex-girlfriend who was five months pregnant at the time. 2011, here in georgia, he used a stonen gun to open fire on a woman's car. he later fled that scene but was arrested and charged. we know he had a a lengthy history of mental illness dating back to childhood. we know that last year he attempted unsuccessfully to hang himself biffle his own admission, and one of those appearances, one of those judges that he present himself in front of a judge. he spent some time in a mental health hospital to get help for his mental health illness. >> with the history that you're talking about. time in a mental health hospital. how could he have gotten his hands on a gun? that's the mystery they're trying to solve. >> that's the big question. how co-get his hands on ghana with his rap sheet?
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it was purchased 20 years ago. it was purchase in a georgia pawn shop. we don't know how he got his hand on this gun. he somehow got his hand on a weapon and he had in the past. one of these charges was possession of a stolen weapon so that question is still unclear. we hope police will release the details in the coming days. >> just awful. 20 years ago, this gun bought. no one knows how many of them are out there. "outfront," the editor-in-chief, michael along with criminal defense attorneys. mark, let me start with you. there were several thousands images on brinsley's cell phone. they found footage of the recent protest. they describe him being a spectator watching the protest. over the past few months we've seen protesters in some cases becoming violent toward police. there was the sucker punch in new york. a week and a half ago, some of the protesters demonstrating in
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manhattan were chanting, what do we want? dead cops. when do we want it? now. are these videos responsible for the deaths of the two police officers in new york city? >> well, there is definitely a cause and connection. while brinsley may have acted on his own psychosis, we cannot deny that when we have unbridled reaction and negative reaction toward law enforcement. when we're asking for them to be killed. when we're asking, we have hash tags that say kill a cop, it will have that result of i think it is incumbent of those in charge of the protest to do so in respect of the first amendment. we have the right to protest. just like you can't yell fire in a theater, you really should not be able to yell kill a cop on a street in america. and get away with it. >> so let me go to you.
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you are one of the leaders in the protests. you've been out on the street. what do you say to mark? >> well, i invited mark to come. 50,000 people, not one incident. the sickening behavior of one individual killing, murdering two police officers ten blocks from my home. that train station he went to is my train station in brooklyn is horrific. let us not mistake that. the protest he went to was december 1st. eric garner was december 3rd. so the protests were after he came to new york and videotaped. he has nothing to do what we're doing in new york whatsoever. >> you cannot deny that there is a connection between an unbridled response against police and the way some people, brinsley in this case, maybe some others tomorrow, may react to that. why don't we have a responsibility, when somebody is in a protest that says kill a
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cop. why is that person not excised out of a peaceful protest? i agree with you. one, we have a strong first amendment. and secondly, they are the strong exception to the rule. if you don't cull out that dangerous facet, are not we worried about throwing away the baby with the bath water? >> i think there have been many, we've seen people saying things we don't like. we do remove them. the focus is the police killed two black men. so let us not forget. that we're not anti-com. we're anti-police brutality and that's what we're fighting every day for a more fair system in this country. >> and that distinction, when you their chats. that got lost on some people. i think that's clear. the former new york city mayor rudolph giuliani weigh in the on this and he said it is officials, including the president of the united states, who are to blame for this.
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>> we've had four months of propaganda starting with the president that everybody should hate the police. i don't care how you want to describe it. that's what those protests are all about. they've been embraced, encouraged, the protests, even the ones that don't lead to violence. a lot of them lead the a conclusion. the police are bad. the police are racist. it is completely wrong. the colonel mayor of new york got very heated when a report he asked about who is to blame. he said tlrm 25,000 people on the street. that wasn't a single incident. the police respected them, they respected the police. you have rudolph giuliani saying something a lot of people in this country agree with. >> i think both mayors were intemperate in what they said. giuliani is over the top. deblasio was over the top in his rhetoric. it has angered the streets. >> this is when he warned his
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son. >> the president made similar comments. i think in the end, when you have high elected officials saying we can't trust the system. we can't trust what a grand jury does, what the court system does. that undermines faith and confidence in the system and ultimately what i worry about, is a kid on the street. i'm not talking about this guy who was a nut who got ahold of a gun. i'm afraid of a kid who is being arrested legitimately and now resists arrest. he hears on television, from the demonstrators, that you can stand up to the cops. kids will get killed because of that bad information. you can fight the cops but you'd better do it in court. >> so kareem abdul jabbar weighed in on this today. and i thought his op ed was very he will quenlly written. whether you agree or don't agree. one of the things em, he was
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defending them. the marches are meant to raise awareness of double standards, lack of adequate police candidate screening. police are not under attack. institutionalized racism is. do you buy that? is that why a lot of people are out on the streets? >> not that i buy it. it is absolutely correct. i'm a little surprised by paul's comments regarding the attitude, or the comments of the mayor and the president. they are supposed to speak in a manner in which is truthful and honest. and maybe previous presidents didn't have this opportunity. they have not been stopped. their children have not been the subject of racism. the death of these two police officers, terrible tragedy. but the attitude that racism doesn't exist in our criminal justice system, that's false. mayor giuliani isn't an idiot. i tell you that right now.
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he is ill informed. he is ignorant. and he is irrelevant. trying to put himself in this position for political maneuvering is really unfortunate. >> you know what giuliani is remembering, in the 1970s, the black liberation army targeted killings of police officers in new york city. everybody has a real short memory for how bad things used to be in the '70s and the '80s. giuliani is talking about how bad kit get if you lose confidence in the comes. >> he ahead brutal police forceful. >> the rhetoric in the city has to stop. it has to stop from the pda by saying -- >> the police officers union saying the mayor has blood on his hands would appear to be intemperate also. >> the rhetoric has to stop. there is a war. a war on who? that will raise another issue. the rhetoric on protesters who claim, kill cops has to stop.
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there has to be a discussion to stop what's going. on it won't stop until people come together. >> do you agree with the defense of the president, that he should be able to say, he's tried to say you must respect police, their rule of law. he didn't to go ferguson to be with the protesters. he is trying to say both things. is he right? >> well, unfortunately, he is in an extraordinarily difficult position. he runs the country. there's to question we have racial disparities and biases in the criminal justice system. i've double it for 30 years. i know them. i fight against them. the issue is how to best address it. the problem is that we have a mike brown death or an eric garner death. it is very easy to say let's blame the other side. let's blame the cops. my problem is in blaming the comco cops, we don't get anywhere.
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who bears what responsibility of each of those killings. they can't just be 100% the cops. if we make believe that's true, we don't get solution. >> let's also not stereo type the cops. the thing i think the demonstrators are fighting against is stereotyping african-americans and assuming serve violent because of the color of the skin. with the cops, you have the same thing with the cops. >> and let's not stereo type them. >> we're anti-police brutality. there are situations that lead to the death of eric garner, broken windows policing brown and black communities. stop and frisk. the police grew up in our communities. we respect them. they have to stop police brutality. >> thank you. so for all four of you. a great conversation. next, north korea. the internet service in north korea is going down across that
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america. kyung lah is "outfront." what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, i want to start with what we woke up to here in korea. if you look at this graphic, this is what happens when you try to logon to kcna. that's how north korea talks to the outside world. it is a state-run news agency. it doesn't work. it down. i don't recall ever a time seeing this and downed for so long. according to korean media reports, this problem started at about 1:00 a.m. local time while korea slept. it is a major embarrassment. we spoke to the research and here's what we learned. over the last 24 hours, there was more instability, increasing instability. and then it went down hard. this is not a 10 cal outage, according to them. and i want you to look at this
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graphic. you can see there's this incredible period of purple. you see it is almost filling that entire graph. at the very end, that big white gap? that's the outage. it has been completely wiped off the global internet. it is as if they don't exist. so it is a stunning develop many. it happened while korea slept. and this is again, erin, something we've never seen before. >> pretty stunning. do you have any idea from your reporting on the source of the outage, who may have been involved? >> reporter: right now it is almost impossible to tell. what we do know is that it does appear to be something that is happening to them. unless suddenly they've had massive internet failure of the likes that they've never seen before. it does seem like it's got to be something from the outside coming in. the source of it, we don't know. it does go right on the heels when was the president said they would respond proportionally.
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he was thin on the details. is it from the united states? that's the speculation here in seoul. >> thank you very much. kyung lah hive from seoul. she will have a special report in a few minutes but i want to bring in barbara starr. the timing is interesting. north korea's internet goes down days after president obama said the u.s. would respond quote/unquote proportionately. obviously it affects very few people. but those who are in power and have authority. do you have any knowledge at this time whether the u.s. is the one causing this or not? >> we don't know. i agree with everything she said. we've asked all over washington. very interesting. the white house has nothing to say. the state department has nothing to say. the pentagon has nothing to say. what can we take away from all that? i'm not sure we can take away much. a couple of theories floating around box the u.s. really do it and be so obvious? they would risk north korea misinterpreting thought and programs reacting very badly,
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adding to instability in the region. nobody wants to see that. could the north koreans maybe have taken themselves offline thinking they were about to come under attack trying to preserve their own safety, given what they did to sony. and another option, could the chinese have taken the north koreans offline? the chinese also don't want to see instability in the region. the internet runs to china to the outside world. there would be a lot of concern in the aftermath. tonight we do not know. >> pretty amazing in this day and age to have that be the answer. thank you. so. now our counter terrorism analyst, the author of nuclear showdown. taking on the world. and mike is actually in hong kong tonight.
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let's make the point. north korea's net is a tiny thing. for them it is a life line. it is important to them. who do you think is behind it? >> i think there's only one suspect and that's us. we had means, motive and opportunity and we've been talking about it on. thursday, white house press secretary josh earnest that what we might do in spog to the hackers would be covert. that's the same formulation that the state department spokeswoman said today. you know, i think that the big important point is that there is a dog that isn't barking. the hacker groups are not taking any responsibility for this. and i think if you had a jury pool from beijing, they would be talking about it. >> let me ask you. you just heard barbara talking about the possible risks of an interpretation. this is so public. it needs to be for the u.s. to
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know the world won't tolerate what it did to sony but could it mean that north korea. >> it seem to have come from the outside. it is possible that hackers did it. it is not inconceivable the u.s. did it. it is not totally inconceivable the north koreans shut their own internet down fearing an attack. the key question is how there north korean government interpret it whatever the reality of where it came from. the standard operating procedure is tit for tat. if you punch me, i'll punch you back. if they do interpret this as an american directed cyber attack, we'll see some kind of response. the danger is you get into this cycle of escalation between the rhetoric and the cyber attacks which becomes very hard to manage. >> north korea has already
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threatened attacks on america. if they do decide or decide to say that they've decide, whatever they really think, what could they do? >> the reality -- >> sorry. phil, go ahead. >> i'm sorry. people have talk about a potential terror response. i don't see much opportunity. somebody can get a women and shoot up a shopping mall. compared to the terror threat we've talked about. you have an entity that is north korea who has very, very limited presence in north america. i don't know how they back up any future threats beyond escalating the cyber campaign that we've seen over the past week or so. >> so president obama was asked by candy crowley on her weekend show about whether this was an act of war. a crucial set of words. let me play the words he used for everyone. >> no. i don't think it was an act of war. i think it was an act of cyber
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vandalism that was very costly, very expensive. we take it very seriously. >> that makes some people very angry. others say that's right. north korea should not be taken that seriously. >> we need to take it seriously. if you go back, there were all those threats. sony went to the state department and said don't worry about it. >> they gave the script. >> we know what happened in november. now north korea has come up with these other threats which sound bad. going against the white house, the pentagon interesting rest of the united states. >> can they do any of that? >> you never know what they can do. they have always surprised us. over the span of eight decades, they've done a lot of things we never anticipated. >> so is kim jong-un calling the shots here? >> i think he is almost certainly calling the shots,
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although he has advisers around him. i think one thing we might see is a faster move toward a new nuclear test. don't forget in the background to all the angst about the hack, the north koreans are moving steadily forward in developing their nuclear capability. it won't be that far off when they've miniaturized the warhead and will be able to place on it a long range missile with the capability to hit the continental united states. they're not there yet and i agree they don't have the bail to do vex physically on the ground in the states. but an single some progress on the nuclear front, they will have that capability before too long. that's part of the other reason why this is so worrying. in the back ground, that is very, very troubling. >> do you think if this was done in the united states, is that equal to what was done to sony?
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yes, the internet is crucial to those in power but nobody else has access to it. and sony, it was shut down as a company. couldn't meet pay roll. had computersl fizzled out. are they proportional? >> the president said i have to believe this is cyber command. in the past you've thought about the army, air force, navy, marines. now we have cyber warfare. it is proportional that it is election trons for electrons. yeah, pro pouringal because it is internet versus internet. but not for the kinds of targets that we're targeting. >> although there are a lot more users. it is not something to make light of. thank you to all of you. next, driven to cyber warfare
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breaking news that north korea's internet is down. the united states says north korea hacked sony pictures because of the controversial comedy, well, controversial to north korea, "the interview." this movie follows in satire form a plot to assassinate north korean leader kim jong-un. on saturday night live they tackled this one reprising his role of dr. evil and austin powers. >> it is so that a athletic toik see you fight over a silly comedy. it is like watching two bald men fight over a comb. who cares? come original sony, you thought it was a joke to have frames franco assassinate kim jong-un? the man single handedly almost killed the oscars. >> all right. we laugh at that.
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but in this special report, you will see why this is not a joke for north korea. kyung lah is "outfront." >> reporter: welcome to prime time programming on north korea's only television station. a cartoon explaining how to bomb the enemy. to traditional dance praising the supreme leader. this is entertainment a la north korean regime. the rare interlude about his godlike generosity and love of his people. to the western world, all of this is strange. a little twisted and certainly devoid of any humor. >> would you have ever made fun of kim jong-un? >> reporter: i wouldn't dare, he says, that's a path to death. kim knows because the deif he canner and now north korean radio host was once a comedy writer for the north korean military. comedy in the dprk, you ask?
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well, sort of. as a comedy writer, is it very dangerous, what you can make jokes about? among writers, he says, the ones single to prison or executed most often are the comedy writers. go too far in a punch line. it's prison time. often for the entire family. kim says the goal of public comedy is not to laugh but as another method to enhance loyalty to the regime. it is little wonder north korea fails to see the humor of this silly american movie. satire just doesn't exist. joking about the supreme leader and killing the character on the big screen is not metaphor but punishable by death. kim understands why the movie would push north korea to launch a cyber attack. something the regime denies doing. this former comedic writer is now in the very unfunny business and sending it via proxys.
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he doesn't joke about it because he wants his former homeland to understand the very serious consequences of what began as a comedy. it bears reminding that we are in the middle of an international crisis. north korean internet down. we anticipate if they ever get it back up, they will respond. all of this because of a seth rogen movie. >> that's the thing. you want to laugh about it and you realize this is a very deadly serious issue of international security. kyung lah, thank you. next, inside isis. one man actually got access to isis leadership. the leadership that the u.s. intelligence hasn't been able to strike. and his takeaway is even more dangerous than we think. he is alive and we have his story. and the cuban spies serving a double life sentence freed last week in a prison exchange.
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both in iraq and in syria. >> they are only 1%, it's a 1% movement in the islamic world. but this 1% movement has the power of a nuclear tsunami. it's incredible. i was so amazed. i was -- i couldn't understand this. >> reporter: he spent several days in mosul, iraq's second largest city conquered by isis in june. he attended the mosque where al baghdadi gave a speech this year. he met children. how old are you? >> translator: i'm 13. >> reporter: he managed to get access to a kurdish prisoner in the hands of isis. >> what happened to you? >> translator: they have islamic state fighters embedded with the
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fighters. you are prisoners here and we'll trade you back for fighters. >> reporter: he says people living in isis-controlled areas are the fear of the harsh penalties for infringement of the stringent laws, but there's also a sense of order and stability. according to him, fighters say they often manage to defeat much larger armies like the iraqi military because they're not afraid to die. how many days to conquer mosul? four days. >> translator: we didn't kill 24, but we killed a score of them, so they got terrified and ran away. we don't retreat. we only fight and god almighty will victor us. those who reverted from islam don't have a solid ideology so they run away. they came to fight for the tyrant, fight for money. >> reporter: during battle, he
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learned, many of the isis fighters wear suicide vests, rather blow themselves up than be captured. in one interview, a fighter warns the u.s. and europe. >> translator: we'll conquer europe some day. it's not a question of us. we will. we'll kill 150 million, 200 million, 500 million. we don't care about the number. >> reporter: atrocities isis has already committed suggest they're serious about their threats. this german author's visit to the islamic state shows a brutal, merciless group, but also one that won't go away any time soon. fred pleitgen. >> including that bearded heavy-set guy, probably not what you'd expect of isis leadership, but there it is. a cuban spy went home to find his wife pregnant, and he was happy about it.
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a mystery solved after serving 16 years in prison in america. her ardo hernandez, leader of a cuban spy ring returned back in cuba to a pregnant wife. and he embraced her. the source his sperm was sent to cuba, his wife went artificial insemination, so apparently it is his baby. the u.s. did this in exchange for better treatment for an american prisoner in cuba. the things spies have to do. thanks for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening, i'm wolf blitzer sitting in for anderson. president obama said the united states would retaliate against north korea at a time of its own choosing for the sony cyber attack. tonight, north korea's internet is down. the question is did washington just pull the plug on kim jong-un? late new details coming in. stand by for that. but let's begin with the breaking news and a call for unity in a deeply divide new york. new york's mayor bill de blasio asking new yorkers to put aside their differences and p
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