they call anti-police demonstrations have helped pave the way for the deaths of officers. on monday de blasio meeting with the families of the slain officers, the mayor calling for unity and respect by halting protests until after the funerals. >> in this tragedy, maybe we find some way of moving forward. that would be an appropriate way to honor these fallen officers and their families that are in pain right now. >> also developing -- new surveillance video captures the shooter about three hours before his deadly rampage at a mall in brooklyn, carrying a styrofoam box, police believe with a gun inside. officials asking for the public's help in tracking his whereabouts leading up to the attacks. authorities believe based on social media, that brinsly waned revenge on police for the deaths of michael brown and eric garner. his estranged family speaking

out for the first time, about him as a troubled man. >> this is an emotionally troubled kid. he needed help, he didn't get it. >> the loo family expressing gratitude to the police department and the public for their support. >> this is the difficult time for both of our families. but we will stand together and get through this together. thank you. >> we are learning new details of the investigation, officers say they are looking through brinsly's cell phone, and found thousands of images, one of them images of the protests in new york earlier this month. there are continued calls from city officials asking demonstrators not to protest until the office remembers laid to rest. we've seen social media reports of plans of demonstrators planning to demonstrate. milwaukee is bracing for

protests after a cop killed a mentally ill man and will not face charges. officer christopher manny shot dontre. hamilton got hold of the officer's baton and hit him with it officer manny was later fired from the force, not for shooting, but how he handled the man who was known to be mentally ill before the altercation took place. >> we're getting our first look at dash cam video following the shooting, the feds are opening an investigation into this case. let's get to george howell on the ground in miami. george, what do we know? >> chris, good morning, important to talk about timing, this decision playing out around the same time, as events in new york and protesters talking about it. they say that murder and violence is never condoned. and they say it shouldn't be accepted in this case, either. the frustrated mother of the victim says she is not surprised by that decision.

outrage on the streets of milwaukee. after the d.a. announced a former city police officer, christopher manny, would not face charges in the shooting death of a mentally ill suspect, dontre hamilton, back in april. >> his use of force was privileged and was justified. >> manny says hamilton resisted a pat-down, the two exchanged punches before according to manny hamilton started hitting him with his own baton. >> i don't even know if i was hit. i need an officer to help me. >> this newly released audio captures man ney, he started beating me. >> the officer shot hamilton 14 times. >> shots fired, shots fired. officer involved. >> manney has been fired for not following proper protocol, but now face those charges. >> i think he exercised

extraordinarily bad judgment that day. that basically put him in a position where he had, had no alternative but to use deadly force. >> manney is the same officer seen in this bizarre cell phone video in 2012, manney seen throwing punches at a local activist dressed as a clown. police say the clown was darting in and out of traffic, going up to cars with a squirt gun and that he resisted arrest in an exclusive interview with cnn, the victim's mother said that he's an overzealous cop who got away with murder. >> no mother should murder their child to something this tragic. >> important to point out the video of the officer wrestling with the clown. the clown is well known in milwaukee. the family said they question the officer's judgment and how

they handle suspect and the confidence in the decision coming from the d.a. >> we want to talk more about this, let's bring in cedric alexander, president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives and chief operating officer of public safety for dekalb county and president of president obama's task force on 21st century policing. we want to start with this milwaukee case, chris, i want to start with you, the investigators determined that this police officer had to use deadly force, it was justified because he himself was under attack with his own baton. that daontre hamilton had gotte away from him. why are people so outraged today? >> the scope of the criminal investigation was limited really to about 30 seconds' worth of the encounter. if you expand the timeframe and look at the whole encounter,

this critical incident really is evidence of bad judgment on the part of the officer and perhaps a lack of supervision from the department itself. >> this could have been prevented if the officer had approached the subject, mr. hamilton, in a better way in a less aggressive way. because earlier in that morning, twice, other officers had come to the park and determined that mr. hamilton was doing nothing wrong, was disturbing no one. >> he was lying on a park bench as we understand and his eyes were open. i believe and his leg was shaking. the police officers approached him. found he was doing nothing wrong. but when this officer came up he tried to pat him down to see if he had a weapon, and that's when a physical altercation ensued. >> for the first time in this case in wis, because of a new law, an outside investigative

body, not the local d.a.'s office, an outside investigative body, the division of criminal investigation looked at this and determined that no charges should be filed against the officer. that's what people around the country have been calling for. certainly in the eric garner case and ferguson case, they wanted an outside body. hooer they got that and determined that no charges should be filed against the officer. >> that's not true. >> the investigation under the new law was handled by the wisconsin department of justice, division of criminal investigations. they gave a report to the district attorney, to attorney, district attorney chisholm. who contacted other experts, local expert and a national expert, and got their information and their opinions as well. so, but the call was still up to the district attorney. the same district attorney who works on a daily basis with police in milwaukee. so while the nature of the

investigation was changed a little bit. in fact mostly what happened, it was lengthened, the decision was still made by somebody who works with the police every day. >> okay. fair enough. cedric, i want to bring in you. at first blush, it feels as though -- here we go again this is another black man, shot more than a dozen times by this white officer. but there are important distinctions, how do you see, do you see this as more of the same? or do you see this as an unfortunate police shooting? that happens sometimes. particularly when police feel that they are being physically threatened. >> you know, here's part of the problem, alisyn. you have to look at each one of these cases in recent months, very lid i. you can't put them all in the same place. even though some of the dynamics seem very similar to each other. and i think that's what's creating a great deal of concern for people across this country. but here's the problem as i see it. is that there is a lack of trust within the criminal justice system. and that is something that we keep hearing from protesters

across the country. and i think it's something that we really have to play very, very close attention to. police officers have a difficult job. they do the best that they can in a moment that they're given. and when you start adding in other variables, sometimes that can and cannot be accounted for, it becomes very difficult. if you will to assess what went on until a full investigation is conducted. >> that's the piece that has to be fixed. >> isn't there another piece that has to be fixed. the police officers were scared. they testified that they were scared sort of out, somehow not outgunned, but overpowered, they felt. they were afraid of the suspect.

that they. >> in terms of how you engage because they're going to be very difficult for a variety of reasons. we train officers, i think additional train something important. as we move forward across this country. providing to our police officers, but we also have to be mindful of the fact as well, too, that each one of these situations in every situation coming forward, is going to be different, they need to be examined fairly. for that of the community to have a sense of trust. and also for the police officer involved as well, too. to feel like they were being supported doing the job the best that they can. and to allow a system in which people feel that they can trust work the rest out. >> cedric alexander, chris ahmady, thanks for all the background. back to chris. word of a really interesting storevy happening at the

airport. authorities have broken up an alleged gun-smuggling ring. a delta airlines baggage loader spotted a former delta employee, all right there.

once his accomplice cleared tsa. the two men would meet via text message and that's how more than 100 guns were smuggled on to passenger plans during a seven-month period. >> authorities, thank you very much for the reporting. appreciate it. a lot of news this morning,

let's get to christine roamens, in for michaela. north korea's internet trying to stay online. it was knocked online for nine hours. american officials won't confirm or deny if the u.s. was involved. but the timing of this mysterious outage is notable. just after the major hack on sony. cnn has learned that the pentagon is beefing up its cyberdefense to guard against future hack attempts by the regime. rattled nerves in france after the second car attack on pedestrians in to days. 11 people injured monday when a driver slammed into shoppers in the western city of notnans. >> a gunman in other part of the country mowed down pedestrians.

a short distance from the site of the siege. the 34-year-old johnson was reportedly killed while trying to wrestle the weapon away from the gunman. victim katrina dawson honored at a separate service, the 38-year-old lawyer remembered by her husband, her children, and other loved ones. republican congressman michael grimm of new york expected to plead guilty to one count of tax evasion he was indieted in on april on 20 counts of filing false tax returns, mail fraud, wire fraud, hiring undocumented workers and perjury. grimm has long insisted he did nothing wrong. he blames politics and grudges,

despite his troubles, he was just re-elected to his third term in congress. no word on whether he'll step down. >> always tough to argue you did nothing wrong when you plead guilty. >> this is true. >> we'll wait to hear what he has so say. or if you have as many things against you as grimm did. >> and he famously threatened to throw a reporter off the capitol hill balcony for asking about his legal troubles last year. >> we remember that video. >> odd words about triting him like a little boy. let's get to meteorologist jennifer gray keeping track of the latest forecast. how is it looking? >> it looks like we're going to see some major slowdowns into christmas eve. it should be cleared up by christmas day. already seeing snow and rain all across the upper midwest. we're looking at snow, pushing into portions of minneapolis, right now it is rain, just for chicago. that will be turning into snow

tomorrow. look at the northeast. seeing showers and snow and a mixture in upstate new york. we're going to look at the possibility of severe storms today. along the gulf coast. rain all across the east. rabe and snow mixed in northern new england and snow in the northern plains and the upper midwest. if you're traveling do expect traveling delays anywhere from new york city to atlanta. d.c., chicago, could see delays today. denver, winds for you causing delays as well. as we get into your christmas eve forecast, a line of snow sets up right around chicago, we could see one to three inches of snow. however, isolated amounts three to six inches. so do expect major delays across places like chicago tomorrow. also new york city, seeing more delays because of the rain and the wind, atlanta, winds for you going to cause delays as well. by christmas day, everything seems to calm down just a little bit. we'll stay mainly dry, a couple of flurries left out there.

but the rain is going to be significant across the south. four to six inches across north florida, three to five across much of the south and then look at the snow. through wednesday, one to three inches around chicago. but guys, three to six like we mentioned isolated amounts, definitely waking up to a white christmas in portions of chicago. >> that's nice, that's great. that was very hollow. you are not happy for chicago, you're not getting a white christmas and you don't like it with you don't give should on chicago. >> i have mixed feelings about a white christmas, because we're not getting one, plus i do like summer more than winter, there's a lot of mixed feelings going on here. but i'm still happy for chicago. >> i see a need on whether or not to weigh in can you tweet us on whether or not alisyn camerota was down on chicago getting a white christmas? >> we look forward to hearing from you on that topic. >> @chriscuomo. the public is on edge in france, you just heard about the

two-vehicle attacks on innocent pedestrians. and a stabbing attack against police. two of the suspects yelling god is great in arabic, during the mayhem, all the violence unfolding over three chaotic days. is there a connection? and very suspicious -- did the u.s. just deliver the north koreans a taste of their own medicine? the nation's internet mysteriously goes down. how did it happen? if it was coming from the u.s., is that right reaction? ♪ turn around ♪ every now and then i get a little bit hungry ♪ ♪ and there's nothing good around ♪ ♪ turn around, barry ♪ i finally found the right snack ♪ [ female announcer ] fiber one. which means it's timeson for the volkswagen ♪ i finally found the right snack ♪ sign-then-drive event. for practically just your signature, you could drive home for the holidays in a german-engineered volkswagen.

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we have two major international situations on the terrorism agenda this morning. first of all there have been three attacks in france in as many days leaving dozens injured, in at least two of those cases, the attacker was screaming allahu akbar. an attacker went into a police

station and slashed officers, french authorities say despite the well-known arabic phrase, they don't see a connection to islamic terrorism. let's bring in will get he is, a security analyst and director of international corporate protection, what's happening in australia in the aftermath of that horrible showdown that they had there about the chatter there, increased terror alert. let's start with france, so when you look at these three attacks and the use of that talismanic phrase why don't you see a connection to islam? >> the one that's only being investigated by the domestic intelligence agencies to any greater degree is really the attack against the police officers. the other two are falling into this category which we're beginning to see repeated all over the place of individuals that are self-radicalized that have decided for one reason or

another, to go out and perpetrate these horrific acts, in the last two cases, the individuals getting their vehicles and plowing into innocent pedestrians. the problem we're seeing repeatedly is that you have individuals who are self-radicalized, deluded fantasyi fantasyists, who are deluded into believing connect the to isis. but the french authorities are saying no connection on the last two. >> let's unpack the two primary issues, the first would be the growth of the islamic population in and around, in france, certainly, but in and around paris especially. northern paris has a huge muslim enclave there that reportedly is largely unpoliced. now what does that do to add to the mix of trouble in confronting what may come out of that community? >> well france in itself a massive migrant population and certainly in terms of the islamic growth, if you like,

within the country, france has got some considerable problems. bearing in mind that they're a strong partner within this coalition down in syria and iraq, the fact that they have approximately 400 or so individuals that have supposedly traveled down to syria and iraq and an unknown number who have subsequently returned, there are serious issues there. they foiled as they say, five significant plots in the last 18 months. so france is very much on the radar as is anywhere else. >> all right. and of course we do not want to paint all muslims with the same brush, obviously the overwhelming percentage of some 1.2 billion muslims are nonviolent. just like members of other major faiths but when you do have islamic radicals, they are coming out of their community. that's the concern of addressing the population. the second prong, mental health. we've just had two horrible situations, at least here, involving the nypd and in milwaukee, where mentally ill people were involved and they became destabilized and it wound up leading to great violence.

you think that may be in play in france, also? >> absolutely. i think we're seeing it worldwide. we have to consider that isis is almost a magnet for the deluded and mentally ill to associate themselves. and when we look at say for example a perpetrator killing someone innocently in the street, as soon as they put the banner of isis behind it it obviously has greater repercussions in terms of the gravity that they believe their actions are that they're taking. so you know, we've got a big issue here. certainly in terms of deradicalization programs, we've been somewhat unsuccessful here in europe, including the united kingdom in trying to get into the communities to draw on the muslim community to obviously come together to try to work to those that are seeing this distorted version as some kind of banner to pin their plag to. >> so the lone wolf phenomenon. those with perverse ideas of religion. those who have evil intent in their hearts and looking for an

outlet. now somewhat as bait for those who may not be of right mind. it adds to the threat level. the australia situation -- after the horrible showdown, australian authorities say they are seeing follow-up banter, high-level traffic online especially about future threats so much so they may raise the terror alert. is that true? >> absolutely. australia again is another country that has got a significant problem with individuals that are radicalized. traveling to syria and iraq and those again in those categories you have just mentioned, who are seeing isis as that flagpole. the concerns that australians have is the interception of some of the publicity and the propaganda on social media. this is why it's even more critical that the social media platforms come together and work proactively in trying to identify these individuals. because we're seeing time and again, that they are promote wlag they're going to do just before they do it.

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welcome back to "new day." there's a lot of news this morning, so what do you say we get to chris team romans in for michaela with the top stories. new york mayor bill de blasio pleading for a stop to protests and political fingerpointing until the slain police officers are properly buried.

he says police officers blaming him for an anti-cop culture in the city are wrong. the city has deceived more than a dozen internet threats against police officers. in milwaukee, a white police officer will not be charged in the shooting death of a mentally ill black man, officer christopher manney was fired after allegedly shooting dontre hamilton 14 times. did you manney said he opened fire after dontre grabbed his baton and started hitting him with it the justice department has open an investigation. did he pi despite headlines about exploding air bags, the national highway safety transportation released a list showing 79 models are up for top safety designation, up from 39 last year. toyota has the most cars on the 2015 list. friends and fans remembering legendary british rock legend joe cocker.

♪ lend me your ears ♪ and i'll sing you a song ♪ try not to sing out of key >> raspy, soulful, cocker died after a battle with lung cancer, known for hits such as "you are so beautiful"." former beatle sir paul mccart y mccartney. joe cocker was 70 years old. >> that voice. >> danced in a trance, that man, when he sang. >> on-stage presence really something to match the really something voice. >> our thoughts to his family. we'll tell but north korea now. the internet there went out for some nine hours on monday, coincidence? still limping, today several north korean-run sites are hard

to access. is this the proportional response to the sony hack that president obama promised? or is it just a low-tech country suffering from its own low tech? kyung law is live for us in seoul. what do you know? >> it's the big who done it. we simply don't know, chris, what we do know is that at about 1:00 a.m. overnight in carekore the internet went down hard. it is as if someone completely cut the cord coming out of north korea. there's not a very huge bandwidth coming out of that country, it's a reclusive hermit state, but it still wasn't there. when you tried to log on to the main website that north korea uses to express its propaganda to the world. you got this blank white error page, as the website was trying to get back up, you got flowers. it was sort of unusual. throughout the day today, here in korea, what you saw were the

websites coming up and down. so who did it? we just don't know. is it the united states? because the president did as you mention say there was going to be some sort of response. we spoken to number of people in the hacking community, as well as cyberintelligence, they all roundly say -- they don't think so. this looks like the work of some rogue hackers, because the internet would not be struggling to come up and then come back down. ailsen? >> interesting. quite a mystery, kyung law, thank you for that. new york mayor bill de blasio. pleading with protesters to stop demonstrating following the assassination of two police officers is that the answer? concerns over safety of police officers that will be patrolling times square on new year's eve. and everything is nice-nice with cuba now, right? how about handing over the dozens of u.s. fugitives that cuba is still harboring?

we'll tell you what cuba says about that ahead.

i'm asking everyone, across the spectrum, to put aside

protests, put aside demonstrations, until these funerals are passed, lefts focus just on these families and what they have lost. >> that was new york mayor bill de blasio calling for a break from protests following a deadly ambush on two police officers, this as a new poll underscores the challenges facing the country. according to the pull, conducted before saturday's shooting, nonwhites feel that 42% of police officers in their neighborhoods are prejudiced against blacks, but whites feel that only 17% of officers are prejudiced. what can be done to bridge this gap? let's bring in cnn political analyst and editor in chief of the "daily beast" john avlon and retired police chief, nicholas casseli. was bill de blasio's speech, overcompensation as having been seen as siding with the

protesters. now he's saying no more protests is that the right tone? >> yeah he's overcompensating, he's been more closely affiliated with the protesters than he has with the police over the course hifs term. he's calling for a truce until the funerals, a right thing to do. >> is that the right thing to say -- put aside your first amendment right, put aside your freedom of expression. how about just, hey, guys can protest peacefully. but if anybody lay as hand on a police officer the full extent of the law will come down on you. >> the problem is that the protests have gotten out of hand. it's a persistent distrust between the police and this mayor. so in an attempt to say the extremes on both sides are using overheated rhetoric. we need a time out to cool down and put the poe cuss on the families. the question is is it too little too late to repair relations with the police. >> nick, what do you want to hear as a former police

detective from the mayor. >> i think the mayor had the opportunity to bridge the divide and he has lost did. you know when you look at the both the unions, police officers union saying do not attend the funeral. and you look at the mayor looking to make sound bytes about the funerals, you have to realize this -- the funeral is out of respect to the memories of police officer liu and ram 0s and their families. >> does that mean the mayor should go to the funeral? >> the mayor as the chief executive should be at the funeral. i think anybody who disrupts the funeral is a person that's saying i, me, my, and they are discounting the suffering that those families are going through. >> what should the mayor be saying? >> the pair appeased to his constituency and he has every right to but as a police officer

you're always taught give everybody 100%. if you want to give somebody else 110%, that's fine. where the mayor has failed, mostly through i believe inexperience and immaturity is that the mayor listened to his constituency that got him elected, but he didn't give 100% to the police, he sold them short. and equally, what i called for in my piece was i believe that president obama also had the opportunity, starting in ferguson, to bridge the divide. >> and say what? >> to say we must come together. and i think that president obama, if he had a little more common sense, he'll be at the funeral of two police officers. >> you know, whether you think the president should go, and i do think this is something that happens, the assassination of these two officers, as eric holder called it yesterday. happens at a time when we're having deep debates about the need to reform police.

the cnn poll that shows the stark racial gap. >> let's pull it up so people can see how blacks perceive police being much more prejudiced than whites believe. >> the problem is there's a differentiation and experience between nonwhite and white communities, but it occurs during a time of record low crime. the resurgence of people in new york city is due to a dramatic decrease in crime. in his heart, the mayor is much more ideological and a political operative than he is a an executive and most mayors are nonpartisan problem-solvers and he is very partisan. >> ha does he do, given that the city is in cries snis. >> he's got to try to rise above it and recenter himself. he's got to show in actions that

he cares as much about the cops on the front lines and he's got their backs. that's got to be actions over a sustained period. his success as mayor, any success as mayor is built on the back of the cops who keep the a city safe. >> what does that look like? should he have gone along with the police? should he walk the streets with police? how can he truly embrace the police? >> before he does any of that, he has to start off with apologizing to the police and that's going to be the first step. the second step is that the police aren't the cure-all of society. violence, poverty, racism, handguns, these are not addressed by the police. these are addressed by legislators. you need change. and if de blasio wants to save his administration from being a one-term run, he's going to have to look at these. and he cannot look at the police as the absolute cure. the police have lowered crime

substantially, starting with mayor giuliani. throughout the bloomberg administration, crime is at an all-time low. we have to understand what a cop goes through. and we have to support them. first thing he does -- apologize. >> nick casale, john avlon, thank you so much for your suggestions. chris back to you. new jersey governor chris christie demanding cuba send back an american fugitive who gunned down a state trooper in the '70s, now that u.s./cuba relations appear to be improving that should be a possibility, right? not so fast. we'll tell you what cuba says. dad,thank you mom for said this oftprotecting my future.you. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are uniquely thankful for many things,

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for decades cuba has been a haven for dozens of american fugitives, there had been hopes that cuba would begin to return these fugitives with diplomatic relations warming. let's bring in patrick oppmann, he's live from havana. tell us the latest. >> yeah, hey good morning. you know, joanne chesamar was on the run for the last 30 years, she didn't live like it in cuba. she lived openly here. taught at the university.

she appeared in pro government rallies. i even met her and talked with her on two occasions, she fully admitted who she was, one of dozens of u.s. fugitives believed to be hiding out in cuba. hiding in plain sight. people the fbi say are terrorists, bank robbers and people who have killed police officers over the years. what's cuba going to do about it? it doesn't seem like anything. as we reported last week, this was brought up in year and a half negotiations between the united states and cuba to normalize relations. cuba said these fugitives have political asylum. they're not going to send them back. the u.s. is pushing hard. but here's the real problem -- is that political asylum to these fugitives was given by none other than former cuban leader fidel castro. so even though he's not in charge any more, his word carry as lot of weight. this highlights that even though relations are not normalizing, there still exists severe differences between these two countries and this is one of

them. chris? >> patrick, thank you very much. the difference between normalizing and normal i guess. let's get an expert to weigh in, phillip peters, the president of the cuba research center. good for you to be with us. let's look at both sides of this. we have to the extent there are two sides, we have the statement from cuba, all right here's what it is. to give voice to what patrick was referring to. every nation has sovereign and legitimate rights to grant political asylum, to people it considers to have been persecuted. we've explained to the u.s. government in the past there are some people living in cuba to whom cuba has legitimately granted asylum. that's their side. here is the side of governor chris christie on that. listen to him. >> so joanne chesamard, a cold-blooded cop killer, quitted by a jury of her peers, in what is without question, the fairest and most just criminal justice system in the world, certainly much more just than anything that's happened in cuba, under the castro brothers, she's now

according to an official of the cuban government, persecuted? >> where do you come down on this, phillip, is this a situation where cuba should say this isn't a legit political asylum situation? >> well i don't see that there's any political color to her crime. and i agree with governor christie. she's a cop killer, she was convicted, she escaped from jail in huntington county, new jersey. it's a difficult issue between us and cuba. they did grant political asylum as patrick pointed out. it was a fidel castro decision. so it makes it very difficult for them to undo. on top of that countries usually work these types of things out in terms of extradition treaties. and it's hard to imagine that the united states would start rendering fugitives to cuba. i would put this under the list of the harder issues that we have to con font and it's going to take some time.

but you know, president obama is opening up full diplomatic relations with cuba and this should be on the list. and actually president obama has created an opportunity for us to work this over the long-term and hopefully get results. >> phillip use your savvy to knock this down. i'm going to present it as more simple than that if you're going to normalize relations, this to me is low-hanging fruit. the person was convicted already. there is no political color to it. you did it during a time, i i'm making you cuba in this analysis. you did it during a time where you were being spiteful of the u.s. every chance you could be. that time has passed. now you can look at it a different way. this is an obvious easy pull for cuba. >> well, okay. if you want to continue, you want me to play that role. >> please. >> i'll bet what you the cubans would say is okay, fine, let's talk about it. let's have a long talk about her. and let's have a long talk about some terrorists that committed crimes against cuba, that committed terrorism against cuba, specifically mr. luis

posada corellis, who the united states admits was behind the bombing of an airliner that killed 73 people in 1976, including the cuban fencing team. just as we have the lockerbie families, they have families of the people who died on the airplane in barbados, why does the united states harbor a terrorist and why doesn't the united states extradite him to cuba or venezuela where he plotted that crime? >> ha is the u.s.'s high ground argument on that? >> i don't think we have a high ground argument? >> why does the u.s. do it? >> the bush administration fumbled for a while they he entered u.s. territory. they tried him on immigration fraud charges. he was acquitted on that. but the united states doesn't want to render him to venezuela or to cuba, and i think that the united states officials, if they were here, they would probably say they don't think woe get a fair trial in any place.

but at the same time the bush administration called him a terrorist, there's no doubt from the reports in the u.s. intelligence community from things that secretary of state kissinger said at the time, he's a terrorist who was involved in the downing of a civilian airliner. >> it was about protecting people who hurt the other side. but if you're going to normalize relations, that's got to go and obviously chesamar is high on the list, how about guillermo morales, he was bombing in new york city, killed people this was about protecting people hurting your enemy at the time. now if you're not enemies any more, do you go backwards? that's the question. >> well, like i say, i think this is one of the tougher nuts to crack. at least obama has opened up diplomatic relations and we're going to work on a series of issues and i think the approach should be to dump all the issues on the table and try to solve the easy ones first and to continue working on the hard ones this is definitely a hard one.

because the politics on both sides are complicated. mr. posada carrilos for example, most officials in office have treated him as a hero in miami. >> give mere your sense, phil, do you think that cuba is going to change as a function of this? you know what the suspicion is you're going to do things for cuba, but really you'll just be doing them for the regime. you know this is just a good move for cuba, but not a change move for cuba. >> you're talking in general about what president obama did with the totality? >> yes. >> i think it is good for cuba. i don't think it's going to transform their political system. i think it's up to cubans to decide and to act. but things that president obama did are very good. opening up more travel is good for a flow of people and information and ideas. that's a good thing. between the travel and some of the commercial openings, i think it will help the cuban economy and it will help a lot of private entrepreneurs in cuba.

it's not going to transform the relationship, as he pointed out in his statement last week. a lot of really tough issues. >> you know that there's a lot of push-back because it seemed like it may be rewarding the regime. phillip peters, thank you very much for the perspective. as always, we'll have you again. appreciate it. >> it's one of the big story, but there's several big stories to look out for this morning, let's get right to it. assassination. >> this a difficult time for both of our families. >> until these funerals are passed, let's focus just on these families. >> the experience of this man, in terms of some cops not liking him, is nothing new. shots fired. >> a former police officer cleared after shooting and killing a mentally ill man. >> no mother should be bury their child. kim jong-un's god-like generosity and love of his people. primetime programming on north korea's only television station. >> would you have ever made fun

of kim jong-un? good morning, everyone, welcome back to "new day," i'm alisyn camerota with chris cuomo. new york city's embattled mayor pleading for a pause to the protests and the politics following the assassination of two police officers. bill de blasio calling for calm out of respect for the slain officers. >> the widow of officer wenjian liu, spoke tearfully of her late husband's commitment to service. and to family. they married just three months ago. heartbreaking backdrop for an nypd announcement that plans to bolster security in times square for new year's after receiving a dozen threats. let's go live to brock lynn and bring in cnn's alexandra field. >> we're hearing a change of tone from the mayor of new york city, bill de blasio, he had been criticized for being too supportive of the demonstrators, now taking a different course, asking demonstrators to stay

home, not demonstrate until the funerals are over. the officers families are planning to hold funerals. the city will honor both of the fallen officers later today with a moment of silence at city hall. this morning, police on heightened alert as attorney general eric holder condemns the killings of nypd officers rafael ramos and wenjian liu, calling it an assassination. the mayor trying to ease tensions, critics say the mayor has not shown support for police, saying his sympathy force what they call anti-police demonstrations helped pave the way for the deaths of the officers. on monday, de blasio meeting with the families of the slam officers, the mayor calling for unity and respect, halting the protests until after the funerals. >> in this tragedy, maybe we find some way of moving forward, an appropriate way to honor these fallen officers and their families that are in pain right

now. >> also developing, new surveillance video captures the shoor shooter about three hours before his deadly rampage at a mall in brooklyn. carrying a styrofoam box, police believe with a gun inside. officials asking for the public's help in track his whereabouts leading up to the attack. authorities believe based on social media posts that he wanted revenge on the police for the deaths of michael brown and eric garner. his estranged family describe him as a troubled man whose life spiralled out of control. >> this was a troubled emotionally troubled kid. he needed help, he didn't get it. >> monday night, vigils lighting the city, the liu family expressing gratitude to the police department and the public for their support. >> this is a difficult time for both of our families. but we will stand together and get through this together.

thank you. >> despite calls from the mayor and also from the city's borough presidents to hold off on the protests, there are social media reports of a gathering later tonight here in new york city. alisyn? >> alexandra field thank you for the background now to milwaukee where a white police officer will not be charged for gunning down a mentally ill black man. in just-released dash cam video, officers raced to the scene as you hear officer christopher manney radio in, he's panicked as he describes the confrontation that led to him shooting dontre hamilton more than a dozen times. manney has been fired, despite the fact that the d.a. ruled he was justified in his actions. in terms of self-defense. this as the feds open an investigation into this case. george howell joins us live from milwaukee with all of the latest. what do we know, george? >> alisyn, good morning, it is important to talk about timing. this decision basically playing out days after the two officers lost their lives in new york city. protesters here talking about it.

they tell me that what happened in new york is a tragedy. and they say it's the same tragedy here in this case, they say it shouldn't be condoned. and the mother of the victim tells me she's not surprised by this decision. >> outrage on the streets of milwaukee. after the d.a. announced a former city police officer would not face charges in shooting death of a mentally ill suspect, dontre hamilton back in april. >> his use of force was privileged and was justified. >> manney says hamilton resisted a put-down and the two exchanged punches. >> i don't even know if i was hit, it was close quarters, i need an officer to help me. >> this newly released audio captures manney calling in for help. he started beating me, and he

grabbed my bat and was going to head me in the head with my own bat and shots fired. >> the officer shot hamilton 14 times. manney has since been fired for not following proper protocol, but now faces no charges. >> i ink he exercised extraordinarily bad judgment that day. that basically put him in a position where he had no alternative but to use deadly force. >> manney is the same officer seen in this bizarre cell phone video back in 2012, manney seen here throwing punches at a local activist dressed as a clown. police say the clown was darting in and out of traffic, going up to car s with a squirt gun and that he resisted arrest. in an exclusive interview with cnn, the victim's mother, maria hamilton tells me she thinks he's an overzealous cop who got away with murder. >> no mother should bury their child. to something this tragic. >> it is important to point out,

in that video where you see the officer wrestling with the clown on the street, that clown is known activist. here in milwaukee. but certainly bizarre situation that was caught on tape. and many in this community question the officer's judgment when it comes to dealing with suspects. and the family questions the decision by this district attorney. chris? >> the tension is if you resist arrest with an officer, there's going to be force, the question is, what does the officer do it make that a last option? there's no question, we don't like hearing about a mentally ill person being killed bay cop. the question is what the d.a. did here, is this the right outcome under the law. let's have the attorney for the hamilton family and tom fuentes, former fbi senior analyst. >> let's start with one question and look at it step by step. counselor, do you believe this is a white/black issue or cop's

ability to deal with someone that was mentally ill. >> this was an officer that didn't receive the train egg should have had. didn't seem to know how to react in regard to dealing with someone although was suffering from some mental health issues. i don't know if it's a black or white issue or not. >> tom is that a fair expectation these days, with the advent of mental illness problems we have in society? is this something that officers should have to take into consideration that you don't treat someone the same way when they're mentally ill as if they were not? >> well certainly, chris. and you know this is an age-old question, mental illness didn't just happen in this country in the last couple of years. even though the systems to treat it have deteriorated dramatically. you know we have, issue after issue, with mental illness, where the people aren't being treated. whether they're veterans coming back from war, or just our citizen population. and it is a contributing factor. but you also have the factor, is this officer a bully should he, does he have horrible judgment? which he does have in this case

or did have. and what does the police department do about it? how do they select people like this to give them badges and batons and guns? do they discipline, do they train? you know there's a lot of questions in this that i would agree with counselor on. >> how do you get fired, but not indicted or charged? >> you violate -- >> the problem in this case -- go ahead, tom, from the cop perspective? >> you violate rules of a police department. you know they don't want you to be engaged in certain activity. having a decision to charge somebody criminally. is a different matter and it's up to the district attorney to make that call. or in this case, if it's under investigation by the fbi, it will be up to the u.s. government. the federal government to make the call for justice. there are some, some officers, and there are some people that you know, we used to say there's a guy that could make gandhi fight. and it looks like, if this officer walked up and managed to provoke the incident, to where the individual is hitting him

with his own baton, at that point, maybe you could say, he's eninn danger of his life. but he certainly brought that on himself. there's no question about that. >> when you look at the situation, counselor, cops responded to the situation. before manney did and they left the guy alone and left. they realized him as a mentally ill guy, didn't see him as a threat, and they left. the officer manney doesn't know the other officers have left, goes there, tries to pat the guy done, what's your understanding of what he did wrong? >> put himself on an assignment. he had called in to find out if an assignment was there. they told him no, he decided to create one and go to the scene and confront dontre hamilton himself. >> why? >> then what he did is he did this improper pat-down. that improper pat-down is what led to the altercation, the eventual fight between the two of them. and then this 14 shots when he emptied his clip. they're intertwined.

>> what's an improper pat-down. what's thement proper pat-down? >> in this case, there was absolutely no reason to believe that dontre hamilton had to be, was going to do, or had committed any type of crime. even the district attorney in meetings we had with him early on indicated that. >> and is it true that the officer knew or should have known that dontre hamilton had some mental health issues? >> he didn't know. they had not had any interaction before. i'm not sure yet where the mental health issues relate to had. what was known is that he did suffer some paranoid schizophrenia. whether that was the reason he interacted the way he did. he had already been checked by two officers already shortly before. they let him alone. now here we have another officer comes again, starts to question him. makes him stand up and now does this pat-down search. >> while he's doing the pat-down search, mr. hamilton doesn't like it at some point or they get into an altercation at some point. what's your understanding of what happens?

>> well it's a little unclear. one thing we know from the autopsy records, we know dontre hamilton had blunt force injuries to his head and face, he had contusions and abrasions, that's indiacative of being struck by fists or by this officer. it's unclear if the officer was striking him first, unreasonable force and then very well doesn't re hamilton may have had the opportunity to resist that. and they disencourage, the officer separated and there was no gunshot residue on dontre and he fired the 14 shots. is it excessive? why did he need to fire 14 shots, half of them in a downward direction, one in his back. >> isn't the answer from a policeman's perspective and eventually the d.a., mr. dontre got control of the baton, and started beating the officer with it. made him fear for his life and he shot him? couldn't that be the outcome?

>> well, that is the question. evidence that we've seen, we've seen photographs that were taken of christopher manney shortly after. i will tell you there were no visible injuries to his neck, his head, his face, the upper part of his body. that doesn't seem to be consistent with someone who is being struck in the head. even if you hear manney on the original tape when he calls back in it dispatch. he's not even sure he's actually hit. we have a lot of concerns as to whether those injuries are significant and whether indeed he did have this feeling of being in imminent threat of great bodily injury or death to just dpi the shooting. that's what we have the concern about. let alone the 14 times. >> tom what do you make of the outcome. they have a new law in wisconsin that has an independent investigative body. there's a question as to whether or not the investigative body involves current or former milwaukee police officers. they looked at it he asked for an outside use of force expert and then the d.a. says, no, it was justifiable shooting because of the reasonable risk because the baton being used on the

officer. >> well i think that you know, having the outside body do the investigation is one thing. the question that many people have been raising is -- that the final decision should be made by an independent body or independent prosecutor. not the prosecutor in that district that works with those police officers. so i think it still doesn't kpleevly solve what people are asking about. if you have an independent investigation they're going to find that yeah, this matter escalated up to a point where the officer used deadly physical force. but did the officer provoke it to the extent to where he had to, or where it rose to that level? that's what the chief of police is saying look by the time the officer shoots, he needed to shoot. he was in danger. well again, go back to the beginning of this. and all of the things the officer did, that led to it being at that point. >> and that may explain what seems like a very confusing situation, counselor. that this police officer could very well have exercised bad judgment, created a bad

situation, but then once he was in it, he may have reasonably feared for his life and that's why he winds up not being charged. is that acceptable to you, even if it's not legally consistent? >> one of the concerns we is when the d.a. gave his analysis, did he seem to separate those things. he said he was not looking at the pat-down, the interaction prior to the shooting. you can't separate that. that altercation was started by the fact that this officer did this improper search. that's what led, that's what caused everything to occur. that's where we have the federal government that we've asked to come in, is going to come in and do an investigation. they'll look at that in the broader picture. you can't separate those two things. that shooting occurred as a result of the first actions by this officer. of interacting with dontre for no apparent reason and then doing the search, which then led to the altercation. >> jonathan saffron, tom fuentes, thank you four your take on the case. let's look at other top stories this morning.

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the recent attacks in brooklyn and the hostage taking in sydney seem to have a common thread. heinous acts by people with mental illness. is that what was behind the attacks? or hatred of police. let's add a leading forensic psychiatrist, the architect of something called the the depravity standard, which uses public opinion surveys to help courts establish crime. let's start with brooklyn.

the gunman behind this said he was retaliating for the michael brown and eric garner cases. but maybe he was just mentally ill? how do we know which one it is? >> for people who haven't had an opportunity to review records, even professionals and who don't have access to files, that can be a very difficult distinction to make because sometimes people are driven by criminal delve yants, sometimes they're influenced by psychiatric illness and times it's a bit of both. what's most remarkable about the brooklyn gunman, while you see many arrests and a history of violence and even an experience when the family was frightened of him. by the time you go through the system that many times you're going to see a psychiatrist, if you don't have a experience of a significant hospitalization, you're have a lot of psychiatrists including concluding you have an anti-social personality, or drug problems, but not the sipsychot

drive. >> i want to make sure i understand your distinction between anti-social beyafr and substance abuse. but not criminal behavior. >> from a standpoint of us as a public looking at it, there are crimes in which a person is, is playing to his own idea, and irrational idea that nobody shares. and there's a crime like brooklyn and like sydney, where someone plays to a constituency that thinks exactly as he does. whether we choose to admit it or not. he was from maryland, he didn't carry out his crime in maryland. he came to new york, he didn't carry out his crime as soon as he came to new york. he went to an area where there's established tension between the police department and local residents and said watch what i'm going to do. he was using social media to brag about what he was going to do. after he did it there were some local residents who were clapping and laughing in the aftermath. the parallel between that and a sydney offender is, this is not a person who is isolated as the

government would suggest. he had 14,000 followers on facebook. so he had a constituency. he was a peace activist. there's some peace activists who experience an entitlement to violence. that's different. >> he claims he was? >> there's some folks who work in different causes and they may call it social justice. somebody may work for greenpeace and feel entitled to blow up a ship. it's violent, but they call themselves an activist with the idea of social justice in mind. maevy had an advocacy, but he chose violence as a way to express himself and there are other who is identify with that. mental illness, a mental illness driven crime has a quality of irrationality to it. >> irrationality. >> yes, in a way that nobody could relate to it except the perpetrator himself because he's playing to himself and his own needs and his own demons in his head. >> here's what the gunman's

sister in brooklyn has to say about his past she believes he was mentally ill. let's listen to her. >> this has nothing to do with police retaliation. this was a troubled emotionally troubled kid. he needed help. he didn't get it. >> she says he needed help, he didn't get it. he did go see various psychiatrists. he testified to that when he was arrested the 19 times. is there a way for families to commit people to mental hospitals or to get them to the help they need, even if they themselves won't do it? >> we have solutions available to us right now in the united states to enhance the ability of families to deal with people who are in crisis, whether that crisis is precipitated by drug abuse or acute reactions to in his case, rejection by a girlfriend. >> why couldn't they have gotten him the help? >> there are solutions that are available, but there are laws into they'd to be passed.

we've talked on the program before about congressman's tim murphy's resolution, hr 3717, helping families in mental health crisis. what we don't yet have are family who is are empowered to say, my loved one is going down the drain. my loved one needs acute help. a person who doesn't want help and who has no insight can go into an emergency room, pull it together, say i'm not going to harm anybody, i'm going to be fine. and we had a familicide in which somebody wiped out six people in his family, then killed himself and his wife was clamoring she was terrified of him. he was going down the drain. so there's legislation available. i would encourage your viewers to call their congressman and to support 3717. because families are cut out of the decision-making process about getting help. now i would also quickly say, that we don't know what happened in his mental health background. i would expect a family member to distance themselves from

hatred, and in such a way that it doesn't reflect on the family. i understand her position. and i think the evidence ultimately speaks for itself. >> very quickly, one of the things you touched on, i think this is fascinating, he first shot his ex-girlfriend. you say often these crimes this is one of the distinctions between mental illness and irrational player, it comes after romantic rejection. then people do these spectacular crimes to prove themselves. >> there are both of these crimes involve spectacles, but spectacle homicide in my experience and worked on a variety of these cases, spectacle homicide is seen in people who have high expectations of themselves. and he talked about wanting to do something good. but the trigger for them is the finality of an important romantic rejectiorejection, or social/sexual alienation. doing something so spectacular because they identify their

masculinity through their capacity to destroy. all of us who speak publicly, we can shape a message that say you're not a man by virtue of whom you can destroy. and when people who are seduced by isis to get pulled into this, who get pokesed to a message that says your manhood is not defined to destroy for the same of destroying. we create a force to counter that. right now there's a tremendous pressure to entitlement of violence towards police officers. we can send the message out that doesn't make you a man to kill for the sake of killing. >> dr. michael welner. thank you so much for being on "new day." >> that's a discussion that needed to be had. we also want to talk about the sony hack attack. the pentagon is now beefing up its cyberdefenses against north korea. and vowing a quote proportion al response. what does that mean? did we just see it in the north korean internet blackout?

let's get over to chris team romans, in for michaela this morning with our headlines. >> let's take a look, new york mayor bill de blasio insisting critics are wrong to blame him for creating an anti-cop culture. he's pleading to a pause in protests following the shooting death of two police officers. a pause until the slain cops can be laid to rest. this as the nypd announces tougher, tighter security for the times square new year's eve celebrations over the new threats they're getting against police. a white police officer in milwaukee will not face charges

in the shooting death of a black man with mental illness. officer christopher manney shot dontre hamilton more than a dozen times. he said he was forced to take action after hamilton grabbed his baton and struck him with it. the d.a.'s office said manney acted in self-defense. although he was fired after the altercation for breaking protocol. the feds have opened a civil rights probe into the case. avlgts new report by house republicans states a certain bias. ster stems from the targeting of conservative groups. extra scrutiny of tea party groups was isolated says obama administration. and resulted from confusing regulations. the salvation army got a diamond-encrusted cross, dropped into a boston area ketal week ago, the donor, an australian mother who left a note asking that the cross be sold and the money used to be help the less

fortunate. her way of thanking the people of boston, particularly brookline for embracing her family. that is lovely. >> that's the good stuff. that's what that is. >> they're important inflection points, the news is so predominantly heavy. it's always questioning humanity and you see the best is out there as well. >> thanks so much, christine. the relationship between the u.s. and north korea getting more frosty, if you can believe it. cnn has learned the pentagon beefing up its cyberdefense to guard against future hacks by the regime. this as north korea's internet service remains spotty this morning, some suggesting it's the response that president obama promised after the sony hack, our pentagon correspondent barbara starr is on top of the story, what do we know? >> the north korean internet system suffered a massive outage yesterday about nine hours

totally offline. and it's raised a lot of questions around the world. whether the obama administration might have been responsible. for basically taking the north korean internet out. nobody in washington as you'd expect commenting on it the white house, the state department, the pentagon, all quiet. mum's the word. they're not saying one way or the other. these are of course some of the most sensitive cyberoperations, if, if the u.s. was behind it. always possible, the north koreans took themselves offline to avoid being the hacked. pretty ironic. also possible it was experts will tell you it was the chinese, the north korean internet system run throughs china. china may be aggravated enough with all the ter-mile, that north korea is causing. all of that said, here at the pentagon, the military moved quickly after the sony hack, to beef up its own cyberdefenses against north korea. also the military along with the

rest of the administration looking at the options, very secretive, very classified. we don't know the specifics. but what are the options that they could offer the president in the cyberworld? to potentially deal with the north koreans? send them a message, but not provoke them. so far that there might be some additional north korean retaliation. alisyn, chris? >> also shrouded in secrecy, thanks for making sense of it, barbara. in the wake of the eric garner and michael brown cases and the assassination of two nypd officers, the question is how account rift between the police and these communities start to heal? we're going to get some unique perspective coming up. >> a question many can't figure out -- why did north korea take the movie "the interview" so seriously? we'll have a look at why a sense of humor got lost in translation. that'll get your holiday bell ringing.

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most important reflection i can give you right now is in this tragedy, maybe we find some way of moving forward. never been a doubt in my mind that we are working towards a day when there's greater harmony between police and community. it is achievable. it must be achieved. >> that's new york city's mayor, on how to heal. there is been a lot of talk in the lat few days on what is wrong, what needs to change. but not nearly as much on how. the real problem is there seems to be different realities emerging. one on how cops see whom they police and a different one on how those same people see the police. so let's discuss this. let's bring in bernard kerik, former new york city police commissioner and benjamin crump, attorney for michael brown's family. counselor, let me start with you. the idea that the police are too often out to get the communities that they are policing. and that they treat those of

color, those of lower income differently, do you believe that to be true? >> i think that there's statistics that suggest that. but we have to always know that policing is a difficult job. we want to respect the job that they have to do. but also you want the police to respect the community and respect the citizens. so i think in looking for solutions as an attorney jonathan moore who has litigated for decades with the new york police department to try to make it better, we got to find solutions to say, there's gotting to more interaction with the community, so the community don't feel like we're against the police. but that we're together and we need the police. >> now bernie, even obviously that resolution is what we all want, we want communities and police to be together. we want it to be a partnership, right? because protect and serve means just that the premise of why we need it is where you take issue? you say there's a lie out there about the police. and what is that lie?

>> the overall lie over the last several weeks, six weeks, two months, people have portrayed the national police service, as racist. they have said that they're going into minority communities to target minorities. they're going into minority communities to harass minorities. that is not true. it's not true. they go into minority communities in this city because that's where the crime is they've gone into those communities and they've reduced crime by 80, 85%, violent crime. they've reduced homicides over the last 20 years since 1994, by 80%. those are minority lives saved. think back to 1990, when there were 2470 homicides in this city. in the last year, there were under 400. that comes from new york city cops. that have put their lives on the line. for the minority community. and we have, do we have problems

in the communities? yes. we do. individual problems. but to label the whole police service of our country, as some have, over the last several weeks, as racist, as targeting minorities, it's b.s., it's not true. and i'm just tired of hearing it. >> counsel, do you take issue with what mr. kerik said, or do you agree? >> i think the majority of people who were marching, thousands upon thousands, chris, black and white alike. they weren't marching against the police, they were marching against police brutality. they were marching against what they saw as police practices that was very unfair in the minority community. and let's face it, we want to be able to look at the hard facts and the hard data and vet it out. we don't want to act on emotion and so forth. we are america, our military resolve is to try to be better. especially in the wake of tragedies like this. and the ones we saw earlier this

year. we want to say -- we can do better. we can find a solution, but everybody has to come, we have to respect each other. >> and i think that's a big thing, chris. we should probably have a national day of respect where the communities say we respect you police for what you do for us. but also, the police should reciprocate and say, we respect the community for trying to help us. that's how we move forward. we have to, we must, because we have to honor the legacies of these officers, and others who have died from senseless acts of violence to say we're going to do better. >> what's getting under your skin about this? >> what he just said, that's right. in the majority of the time, that actually happens. what we've seen over the last several weeks, is an element where people have promoted this you know -- >> what people, blame some people, bernie. put some meat on the bones. >> al sharpton.

>> why are you giving him that power, like he shapes the conversation. >> you know what i didn't give him that power. al sharpton has no power unless either the elected officials give it to him. that's where he gets his power. when the mayor of new york city has al sharpton sit at a table, with the police commissioner of the city of new york to talk about the departmental policy, al sharpton has no business talking about the department's policy. he's -- >> you think one guy shapes a complete idea about the culture of policing in this country? >> no, yes, yes, he does. >> come on. how? >> different communities all over the country coming out with the same issues that they feel about what is excessive force. >> it's being promoted by al sharpton, mayor de blasio and others, who are promoting this element, that the entire police service of this nation is racist. >> people weren't following the race here in new york city. probably as closely, certainly counselor crump didn't have reason to but you know that the

current mayor, bill de blasio, got elected in part because of what he was saying about stop and frisk. it's one of the reasons he wouldn't. that's not him hating the police, that's him going after the policy. which is the same thing that the current commissioner bratton said. that he was running against policies. not police. and he talked about his son, daunte, who is a brown kid and that he has to be careful that he treats police the right way because there's a tendency towards excessive force. >> because he would be in danger. those are his words, the mayor said his son could be in danger. >> that's the first time you've heard that? >> that his son -- >> that black parents, parents of black kids feel that their kid may be susceptible? >> you know, chris, i don't care what color you are, you have to teach your kid to respect others mixt son is havlateno. my son is havlateno. but he's known since he was nine years old, if someone talks to you, you say yes sir, no sir.

yes ma'am, no ma'am. if a cop stops you, you're going to treat them with respect. you're not going to spit on him, taunt him. you're not going to do the things i've seen done to cops over the last four weeks in these peaceful protests. you're not going to attack cops like they attacked those lieutenants in the peaceful protests. you're not going to burn down a community, my son wouldn't burn down a community. my son grew up to be a cop. he's a cop in newark, new jersey, in extremely dangerous job. >> most of the process weren't that please, counselor, weigh in i'm sorry. >> it works both ways, just like there are bad individuals within the community, there are also bad police. and i think most people are not marching against police, they're marching to say we got to get better police policies. because what we saw play out over and over again. when people in the community are

killed. that happen to be black or brown. nobody is held accountable and no policy has changed. that's what people are marching for. we can't keep trying to say the blame game about blood on the president's hands or the mayor's hands. the only blood is on the killer. this mentally ill person who did this senseless acts of violence. we got to bring people together. we can't be dividing people. and that's all our responsibility. i'm welcome the commission and everybody to find solutions to say. how we bring people together right now. especially right now. >> now, let me give you a chance to respond to what -- it's it's not reverend al they're going to say bernie kerik is pointing at reverend al sharpton saying he doesn't have the right to be there. they would say why does kerik have the right it talk about policing when they argue he's a an example of a bad judgment as a police officer. >> here's why, because i ran the new york city police department.

i know what cops go through, i was a cop myself. i was a very decorated cop myself. i know what the cops do. how they do their job. and i also know that all cops aren't racist. all cops are not targeting the minority community. and i agree with the counselor, we have to work on a solution where we bring the communities and the cops together. but don't label the entire national police service, as saying they're racist. they're not racist, chris. >> bernie kerik, thank you very much. counselor benjamin crump, thank you for discussing these issues. it's widely assumed the movie "the interview" inspired north korea to hack sony pictures. the film's release now canceled. what exactly was it about that comedy that so offended the north korean regime? we'll look at it in a moment.

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in the wake of north korea's massive hack on sony, many wonder how the regime could be so angry about a seth rogen come at th di. the answer is that comedy as we know it is offlimits in the reclusive country for it's perceived as a threat to the regime, making fun of the country's leader an unspeakable offense. kyung lah is live in seoul, south korea. tell us more, kyung. >> so speakable that you drop a picture of kim jong-un, it could mean prison time for you and your family for life. the people of north korea do not know drama. they don't know comedy. they only know one thing, that is the supreme leader.

well come to prime time programming on north korea's only television station. cartoon explaining how to bomb the enemy. to traditional dance praising the supreme leader. this is entertainment ala north korean regime, the rare interlude in between the news bull tips of kim jong-un's god-like generosity and love of his people. to the rest of the world all of this is strange, a little twisted and certainly devoid of any humor. would you have ever made fun of kim jong-un? "i wouldn't dare" says kim soong-min, that's a path to death." a defector, comedy in the dprk, you ask? well, sort of. as a comedy writer is it very

dangerous what you can make jokes about? "among writers" says kim," the ones sent to prison or executed are the comedy writers. go too far in a bunchline it's prison time, often for the entire family." kim says the comedy of north korea is not to laugh but to enhance loyalty to the regime. it is little wonder north korea fails to see the humor of this silly american movie. satire just doesn't exist. joking about the supreme leader and killing the character on the big screen is not metaphor, but punishable by death. kim understands why the movie would push north korea to launch a cyber attack, something the regime denies doing. this former comedic writer is now in the very unfunny business of recording news from the outside world, sending it via proxies into north korea. he doesn't joke as he reads about the global crisis surrounding the interview, because he wants his former homeland to understand the very

serious consequences of what began as a comedy. we are in the middle of this international crisis, the escalation of the cyber attacks, all because, alisyn and chris, of a seth rogen movie. back to you. >> kyung lah, that is great context for us, surely put a fine point on how seriously they take that. >> right, just the way she says, the seth rogen movie. >> right. comedy. so let's get back to what we're dealing with at home, bitter dispute between new york city's mayor and the police department. does it need to get better? how does it get better? congressman charles rangel weighing in on that.

assassination. >> this is a difficult time for both of our families. >> until these funerals are past, let's focus on the families. >> the experience of this man, it's nothing new. >> shots fired. shots fired. >> a former police officer cleared after shooting and killing a mentally ill man. >> no mother should bury their child. >> a carry-on pack full of weapons. >> 129 weapons including an ak-47. >> really makes you wonder how safe it is to travel. >> good morning, withal come to "new day." tuesday, december 23rd, just after 8:00 in the east. chris cuomo and alisyn camerota here, and the mayor of new york city is begging protesters and politicians to put down their signs, stop pointing fingers at

least until the force properly buries its dead. >> for the first time we hear from the grieving widow of one of the slain officers as the embattled nypd plans to heighten security for new work's times square. what do we know, alexandra? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. we are hearing continued calls for protesters to hold off and also at the same time seeing social media traffic suggesting there could be demonstrations later today in new york city. at the same time the city has its own plans to honor the fallen officers gunned down here on the corner. they will hold a moment of silence at city hall later this afternoon. this morning, police on heigh n heightened alert as attorney general eric holder condemns the killings of nypd officers calling it an assassination. mayor bill de blasio trying to ease tensions. critics charge the mayor has not

shown support for police saying his sympathy for anti-police demonstrations have helped pave the way for the deaths of the officers. on monday, de blasio meeting with the families of the slain officers, the mayor calling for unity and respect by halting protests until after the funerals. >> in this tragedy, maybe we find some way of moving forward. that would be an appropriate way to honor these fallen officers and their families that are in pain right now. >> reporter: also developing new surveillance video captures the shooterish mail brinsley, about three hours before his deadly rampage at a mall in brooklyn, carrying a styrofoam box police believe with a gun inside. officials asking for the public's health in tracking his whereabouts leading up to the attack. authorities believe based on social media posts that brinsley wanted revenge against police for the deaths of michael brown and eric garner. his estranged family speaking out for the first time described

him as a troubled man whose life spiraled out of control. >> he was an emotional troubled kid. he needed help. he didn't get it. >> reporter: monday night vigils lighting the city. the liu family expressing gratitude to the community and police department for their support. >> this is a difficult time for both of our families. but we will stand together and get through this together. thank you. >> reporter: there really is a tremendous amount of support being shown for both of these families behind me, this memorial that has been growing, flowers, candles being left by civilians and police officers alike have been stopping by here. funeral service will be held for officer ramos on saturday and they are waiting for more family members to arrive from chinaliu's family before making arangements. alisyn? >> alexandra field thank you. joining us is a democrat from

new york and founding member of the congressional black caucus representative charlie rap gel. >> good morning. >> what a tough week for new york city. >> it's rough. >> when mayor de blasio went to the hospital to pay his respects to these two fallen officers the nypd officers who were flanking the corridor turned their backs on him, literally turned their backs as a symbolic show of how they feel he's turned his back on them. have you ever seen a rift like this? >> it's painful. it's emotional and it makes no sense at all. when we lost these two policemen, new york lost a part of their family. i don't think there's any new yorker that doesn't appreciate the hard work, the danger, the courage these guys have, and when a family gets hit, and you have a problem with the family before, you have a murder that takes place, you're supposed to come together. you're not supposed to attack each other.

we got problems with our family, that's what makes new york great. we're problem solvers. 9/11, we take it all on, but when you have something this painful, instead of talking about burying the dead, giving comfort to the family, it's a multilayered problem that we face, but right now, it's only one thing we have is pain, sorrow for those who have lost. pointing fingers has no place at all with civilized people. >> and the mayor tried to make that point yesterday, in his press conference that he held. it seems as though he has to do more than just words, than just claiming that he supports the police officers, because they don't feel that way. so where does he start? >> well, i don't know whether the mayor has to do all of that. i've been walking up to every policeman and i've been giving mysive thee and condolence. policemen have to know we love them, that we don't run up and kiss them every time we see them

in the street. they have to know when we get teed off with lack of communication that we're going to speak up, protest, but doesn't mean when we lose one of the family that we don't feel that pain. so we have to go tell the policemen, listen, cease-fire. stop. take time out, and let's bury our heroes. we can take care of the problems later. pointing fingers has nothing to do with it, and quite frankly, we're dealing with a whole lot of problems. we're dealing with guns. we're dealing with violence. we're dealing with racism. we're dealing with lack of communication. we're dealing with a lot of problems, but most of all, and it can't be challenged, wie're dealing with pain. >> forget the mayor and politics for a moment. there's a rift and divide between the communities and the police. what do the police need to do to make the communities feel comfortable that they really are there to protect them? >> i really think this is a family issue, and the family has

to be law enforcement and the community. i'm a former prosecutor, and i do know that in any family, we have strong differences about anything, but when someone comes, a murderer comes and attacks someone in your family, what is the first thing that you do? you run to the rescue of those people that are hurt. doesn't mean that all of the problems are resolved, no. so one thing you don't do is to start attacking each other. we're dealing with a man that's mentally ill. does that ever come into the question? we have 300 million guns on the street. is that a factor? we have a guy that's been arrested 19 times, and any society, he's walking around with a gun and there's evidence that the guy's mentally ill. is that a factor? yes, take politics out of it, but we have to take a deep breath, bury the heroes and see what is this all about?

is it about the president? about the attorney general, de blasio, lynch? of course not. >> if in fact he was mentally ill, there is a debate about that because he acted rationally in that he knew what he was doing, so he wasn't schizophrenic. he wasn't hearing voices. he wasn't seeing things. he said that he was going to retaliate for these two killings by police officers and he was going to take out two cops. that is a rational actor, as crazy as that sounds. so what is the answer to stop an angry person with a gun? >> if someone was to say they're going to take out two people in my family, i don't care whether he's crazy or not, it's wrong. i don't have to value -- it's wrong. i want the family to come together and feel my pain and let other people who are vulnerable and the police out there, they have to know that just because we don't kiss and hug them every day that when some nut comes and kills them,

that we feel that, and if we have to hug them and go into the precincts, and sometimes not be accepted, hey, i'll take that. you've been walking up to cops and saying, you know, and i can understand their vulnerability. there's one thing that we have to attack when this is over, and that is the blue wall of silence. there's a problem that we all have in protecting our own regardless of whether they're right or wrong and recognizing that we have to come up and admit these certain things, but don't you truly believe that at a time that two people are murdered that politics and fingerpointing should have nothing, absolutely nothing. this is not a question as to what do the police do and what does the mayor do. this is a question saying my, god, this is living proof of how dangerous this job is. this is more than getting arrested for spitting on the sidewalk or being arrested for

selling untaxed cigarettes. this is murder. there's no possible explanation, whether he's sick or not. we all have to join together and say cut this cancer not out of new york city, but don't let it spread throughout this great country. we need and we love and we embrace law enforcement, and if they got some bums on the force, we should come together and deal with that, but after we bury and respect for those people that put their lives on the line each and every day and no one says thank you. >> congressman charlie rangel, thank you for coming in to "new day." >> thank you for having me. >> thanks for the message. great to see you. over to chris. christopher manning shot dontre hamilton more than a dozen times after he got control of the officer's baton and hit him with it according to the officer. the officer has been fired for breaking protocol in the fight that led up to the shooting but the d.a. judged the shooting itself to be justified.

civil rights probe is now under way. let's get to george harell live on the ground in milwaukee. george? >> reporter: chris, good morning. before the events in ferguson and the death of michael brown, even before the protests after the death of eric garner, people here in milwaukee have been protesting. they want answers in the case of dontre hamiltohamilton. they got a decision yesterday. the mother of the victim says it's a decision she was not surprised by. >> i can't breathe! >> reporter: outrage on the streets of milwaukee. >> what do we want? >> justice. >> reporter: after the d.a. announced a former city police officer, christopher manning, would not face charges in the shooting death of a mentally ill suspect, dontre hamilton back in april. >> his use of force while it was privileged and justified. >> reporter: manning says hamilton resisted a pat-down,

the two exchanged punches before according to manning, hamilton started hitting him with his own baton. >> i don't know if i was hit, i need an officer to help me here. >> reporter: this newly released audio captures manning calling in for help. >> he's got my bat and going to hit me in the head and shots fired. >> reporter: the officer shot hamilton 14 times. >> shots fired. officer involved. >> reporter: manning has been fired for not following property protocol but faces no charges. >> i think it's extraordinarily bad judgment that put him in a position where he had no alternative but to use deadly force. >> reporter: manney is the same officer seen in this bizarre cell phone video in 2012. manney seen here throwing punches at a local activist dressed as a clown. police say the clown was darting in and out of traffic going up to cars with the squirt gun and that he resisted arest.

in an exclusive interview with cnn the victim's mother, maria hamilton tells me he thinks he's an overzealous cop who got away with murder. >> no mother should bury their child to something this tragic. >> reporter: the mother expressing her frustration with the case saying she's not satisfied with the decision but the department of justice will be looking into this case as well and she remains optimistic to see how that plays out. alisyn? >> george howell, thank you so much for that. a terrifying scenario to tell you about at the height of the christmas travel season. alleged gun smuggling between two of the nation's busiest airports. delta baggage carrier was to move the guns to new york. rene marsh has the latest. >> we're talking about assault rivals and ar-15 and ak-47,

along with handguns, some of them loaded, smuggled onto passenger planes in carry-on luggage. it happened at least five times on delta airplanes going from atlanta's hartsfield airport to new york's jfk. now investigators closed in on the operation, they arrested one man, mark henry, when he landed at jfk, and here's the breakdown of what they found on him. 18 handguns were in his bag, seven of them were loaded. total of 129 handguns and two assault rivals were smuggled in this entire operation. they were being then sold. they didn't realize they were selling to an undercover cop. investigators say teugene harve used his airport security clearance to get the guns in. once his accomplice cleared tsa the two men would communicate via text message, met in a men's

bathroom, transferred the guns and that's how more than 100 guns were smuggled onto these passenger planes during a seven-month period. delta says it is cooperating with the investigation, but really, this is an alarming breach of airport security. alisyn? >> it sure is and good police work to track all of that case. rene, thanks so much. let's get over to christine romans, in for michaela this morning for other top stories. >> good morning again. north korea's internet struggling to stay online after it was knocked out for more than nine hours. we're told it's been spotty since first coming back. american officials won't confirm if the u.s. had any hand in it. the incident comes amid escalating battle between the u.s. and north korea over the sony hack attack. more in a few moments. french leaders calling for calm after the second car attack on pedestrians in two days. 11 people were injured monday when a driver slammed into shoppers in the western city of

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president obama promised to retaliate against north korea for the sony hack attack. the question is, has it happened? north korea's internet went down on monday for more than nine hours, it's still limping this morning. is that america's handiwork? owe fishes are staying quiet but let's get somebody to weigh in who knows the situation here very well, former new mexico governor bill richardson has made multiple visits to north korea on diplomatic missions. good to see you on the show, gov. happy holidays to you and your family. >> same to you, chris, to all your family. >> thank you. now that i've buttered you up, did the united states do this shutdown in north korea? >> i don't think so, chris. it's not proportional. i've been to north korea, looked at their internet. i went there two years ago with eric schmidt of google. it's very limited. you know, it's like radio shack computers, only very few of the elite hand tell. what i suspect happened is a

breakdown, a defect in their system or the north koreans on their own shut it down temporarily. this happens when regimes like syria, there's tense periods, they shut it down. another possibility is china. you know, a lot of their telecommunication system in north korea depogoes through ch. it's possible that china is ticked off at north korea, and they did that to send a signal. the other option is, other foreign hackers. but i don't believe we did it because it's not proportional. it's a very small response to what they did to sony. >> we'll talk about what proportional should mean and what the response should mean. you bring up an interesting point about china. there are questions whether or not the united states can get china to cooperate in its efforts vis-a-vis the hacking capabilities of north korea. you suggest there may be tension there. do you think china can be a friend to the u.s. when it comes

to combating north korean hacking? >> well, they could be a friend but they're not being a friend, because the telecommunications system of north korea goes through china. there are a lot of hackers from north korea based in china. lot of the internet system of north korea goes through china. so if they really wanted to help us, like if they wanted to help us curb north korea's nuclear proliferation, they would, but they apparently don't want to do that. china, i think, likes the tension that exists in the korean peninsula. so they could help, but i don't believe they're doing it. >> that's good because the state department is putting some credence in that, oh, we can go through china, that's one of our options but good to get perspective how likely that is. the other is how does it seem, what just happened here. the president says this is not warfare, this is vandalism. help me understand that, governor. how is this not a warfare, if they drove a truck into sony pictures, bashed through it,

stole all this stuff and left, and we knew north korea did it, the united states would say this is an act of terrorism. this is war. why not this? >> i think the president is trying to be measured in his response. he wants to get all the facts. i think, i believe the fbi and our experts saying it is north korea, but then what you have to do is what's the most expected response on this? rather than raise the stakes, because you know, north korea reacted to this out of p petulance. they're upset over the personal insult to their leader. this is a cult of personality. when president bush was president he called the north korean leader, the the fore of kim jong-un a tyrant. they got equally upset. this is very personal to them. so i think president obama is trying to be measured, sensible, and there will be a response, and i believe there should be a response. >> what should it be? because it seems like, you hack

the united states, now the united states is going to figure out how to hack you, that seems petulant, it seems immature for what a nation should do when a nation is saying it's better than its opponent. what do you think should be done here? >> well, i would look at various options. one, you put north korea on the list of countries sponsoring terrorism. that affects a lot of their landing rights. it has economic costs. another option is put on some sanctions that were put on before that were taken off on banking and chinese banks, affecting the cash of the leadership of north korea. that's another option, but you know, the best alternative i believe, chris, is get japan, south korea, china, the six-party countries surrounding north korea to come together in an international effort that deals with cyber. i mean cyber warfare, this is the new national security

conflicts of the future. we have to figure out a way to have responses that involve not just the responsible actors, and the industry, and i personally think that sony's taken some bad hits that it did not deserve. they're a good company and we should find ways to work together with the entertainment industry, telecommunications, technology industry, on a response, because this is a worldwide problem. it's not just north korea. >> can't have this happen twice, that's for sure. governor richardson, thank you for joining us on "new day," sir. >> thank you, chris. >> alisyn over to you. chris, we have a heartwarming coming. we followed erin burnett tracing her roots. watch as she goes back to the house she grew up in one last time and where that visit lead her. dad,thank you mom for said this oftprotecting my future.you. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are uniquely thankful for many things,

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we've been telling you this morning some of us at cnn had the rare opportunity to retrace our roots. we have erin burnett's story, really emotional journey. she had this chance to discover all the long lost relatives in scotland and it was a path she never expected. we'll show it to you ahead. it's beautiful, too.

this year, some of cnn's anchors got to take the rare opportunity to discuss their roots and embark on journeys across the continents to sto ss discover more about her family history. erin burnette's family moved out of the farm place, one place she'd always called home. someplace else she got to visit, the rolling green hills of scotland. >> i grew up in a small town in maryland. when i say small i mean really small. i believe the last census had the population at about 400. we used to buy all the rabbit food here.

my parents were idealist. when they were young they had the dream of having the farm. it's funny to talk about it with them now, their eyes still light up. i want my son to know what it's like to have grown up here. talking to my parents, they thought they were there forever. >> how are you doing? >> how are you doing? >> good. hello nile. >> reporter: your defer in addition of forever changes when you get older. >> you aren't going to remember it like the other ones but at least you can say you've been here. >> reporter: when they were ready that this is it, that the boxes were going to move, i couldn't believe it. want to see where mommy's room was? you get to see the farm this one time? yes? okay. that was uh-huh. it was hard for me to go through the house and see everything packed up. oh, this is my dad's den.

nothing's changed in here. he may be moving in two days but this is the way it's looked for our whole life. hey, buddy, ready to go upstairs and see mommy's room when mob mommy was a little baby? it's all packed up. that room was my home for so long. makes mama sad. it's hard to say good-bye. so cnn says we're doing this project on our roots. i find out about it right before this. isn't that amazing. it's a good omen for something, right? >> you remind me to pack up all the papers somewhere about some of this. >> reporter: you looked into it once, right? >> i looked into a lot of it but never really in-depth. >> reporter: i had a lot of questions, there's these

pictures and who are they, where did they come from, so we actually met a geneaologist at cnn. we are focusing on the stewarts your mothers family. >> ian was the first generation in america and this is a 1920 census for john stewart. this is him right here. this is a passenger's contract ticket. >> reporter: this is to come from scotland to canada? >> yes. this tells us where in scotland he's from. >> reporter: that's where it says sky. i thought that is a great name. that place is a cool place. >> now contextual history tells us that 1858 is the repurr cushions of the irish potato

famine. so they're only taking four of their seven children with them. >> reporter: so it's possible we could have family in that area still. after i found out there were relatives who did not get on that ship, i wanted to find out what happened to them. when you get to opportunity to go to skye i wanted to share it with somebody. my mom has a brother, uncle buzz, his real name is charles. my mom wasn't able to come so i thought for about 22 second and i realized if it's going to be me and adventure, he's there. we flew from new york to glasgow on a red eye, landed 7:00 a.m., got straight in the car, drove a few hours to get to a little town called malay, scotland. ready for this, uncle buzz? >> the beginning. the beginning of the adventure. >> reporter: it was a beautiful day. it was perfect. it was the way i wanted to arrive. you could see the skyline of skye and it just was so glorious.

first thing we did was we got in our rental car and zipped on the wrong side of the road. all right, here we go, i'm very glad that i know how to drive a stick, but lives in my hands driving a stick, on the wrong side of the road. and that's scary. driving on skye was an adventures. the roads were tiny. wait, wrong side of the road. sorry, guys. in this castle is an archive where they trace a lot of the genealogy. it's in-depth and the woman in charge, maggie mcdonald, knows erg about everyone.

>> this is rent ander who pays rent is listed in here. and his rent was three pounds and four shillings a year. >> reporter: he was best. >> he was doing well. >> only earned 1 pound 12 shillings. the woman was paid up, two widows. >> i'm going to let that slide. so the daughters, do you know anything about where they have resulted in? >> their families as far as i know found her stayed in skye. i think you're going to meet grandchildren. >> reporter: maggie told us there were two relatives she knew of on skye right now that we were going to meet. >> oh, look at those beautiful landscapes. >> gorgeous. >> where did erin's journey lead her? you don't want to miss it. we'll come right back.

erin burnett's search for her roots in scotland resulted in a few surprising twes twists. when we went to break, erin was about to meet some of her long lost relatives. here's how that all turned out. >> erin burnett was not hurt in the making of this story. >> here's where it led. ♪ >> reporter: so turns out that our family has been in the

retail business for about 50 years. this hotel was a man who runs it named malcolm whom we're related to and his brother donald owns a hotel around the corner, came over and had beers with us. turns out we're from skye and related to you, stewarts. >> does that ring any bell? >> i know the stewarts. >> reporter: yes. he looked very quintessentially scottish to me. donald was at first a little shy, a little reticent. you've done the family tree? >> not this much. >> reporter: then he was going through the genealogy, most not related to us but told us where our land was. toast to cousins. toast to cousins. after donald told us where our land was, we zipped down the main road, 30 kilometers and i'm told i need to go the speed limit. it was very quiet, and there

were clouds and that was an appropriate time to see the land. look at that view down there. >> yes. the one that sticks out, it's very emotional to be on the actual ground that ancestors came from. >> reporter: when you're here you realize that they were here, it's pretty incredible. they loved, this he had children, all that happened right here. and as the potato famine really took control of things, all of a sudden they couldn't afford to pay their rent and so they were actively told to leave, and it was bigger than just my family. it was bigger than just skye. it was scotland and ireland. buzz and i were saying, gosh, we really wish we could be sharing this with my mother and buzz's wife, my aunt beth. we also wanted to share with them our great curiosity about the one undiscovered part of scotland at this point, which was ronald mcdonald.

we get to port tree, the biggest town in skye, is still very small. turned out at the end of the main street was the address ronald had given us and it was a little art gallery. this is when we found out the most amazing thing. turns out ronald mcdonald is an economist, he's done work for the imf, the world bank and he was a significant player in scottish independence. i buy a newspaper and reading about scottish independence and there's this person quoted, really prominent economist named ronald macdonald. i said that's a common name around here. and then i get to skye, and they say, well, and you're the most famous person on skye. you are the most -- everyone's like you're related to ronald macdonald? clearly, and they said you know he's an economist and all of a sudden, i said oh my, he is the

ronald macdonald. ronald really wanted to show us one particular picture, a picture that he had taken of our land, this is where we're all from. >> this is basically where it all started right about here i believe. >> reporter: when you took this picture, you obviously knew we were from here. >> yes, i did. >> reporter: ronald is one of the most accomplished economists in the world, but i had originally started in business journalism so i felt a kinship with him. such a joy for to us meet you. we went back to the hotel and uncle buzz and i were talking about the past few days we spent together. that was a moment where it all really came together for me. thank you for coming. this was really special for me to do this with you. >> thank you for having me, but suddenly i just thought of something your grandfather would have loved to have seen your

success and to see us both in scotland, and i'm starting to get weepy, when i think about it, because he just would have thought this was so wonderful. >> reporter: you know who is going to like the mountains. well, my mom is going to love it. i'm laughing. oh, my gosh. >> i'd never make it in this business. >> oh, great, now i'm crying. >> the scots, if they're not laughing, they're crying. >> i find all these so affecting because you get to hear your family stories and see your origins and also we get to see these great travel logs. i want to go to scotland now as a result.

>> what's going to happen when we air your story? have to have you in a kiddie pool. >> do you think they are so similar that all of us are in the same place but came from such different places and it was a great grandparent or great great grandparent who took extreme extraordinary risks, taking the biggest risk possible and we're here together in the same place. so cool. >> a window into what motivates people to do what they do. i've known erin a long time and your sense of who you are and where you fit in this country and what motivates what you see as your own purpose is really interesting. >> it really is. >> i love the business journalisma journalism angle and breaking news, breaking news into cnn right now, the u.s. economy grew 5% in the third quarter. the commerce department is telling us 5%, that is the strongest economic growth, guy, since 2003. >> why did it happen? >> consumers are spending money and businesses were spending

money on equipment, on fixed expenses, they were building up inventories heading into the end of the year. maybe you'll see it a little softer in the fourth quarter, who knows. third quarter is the rear view mirror but it is a strong performance by the american economy, strong jobs growth. stock markets at records, gas prices low. lot of things going through the american economy. >> the numbers were revised up. these are more impressive. z>> 3.9% was the most recent red on the third quarter. 5% strongest growth since 2003. think back how long ago that is, 2003. that's a remarkable number. we'll see if there are new records in the stock market. it will be easier to make a record because there's 50 record in the s&p 500 this year. >> let's talk a break first and you'll get more news on this big breaking news about the economy in "the newsroom" with randi kaye. gen sign-then-drive event. right now, for practically just your signature,

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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning, everyone. i'm randi kaye in for carol costello. thanks so much for joining me. breaking news, the u.s. economy grew 5% in the third quarter, the fastest rate since 2003. chief business correspondent christine romans is tracking this story for us.

put this in perspective for us, if you would. >> it's two strong quarters in a row. the second quarter was 4.6% growth, that is solid growth. the third quarter 5%, much higher than economists and the commerce department first expected. consumers are spending more. you've got businesses investing in property and in technology and that is really pushing things forward here in the third quarter. so that shows you an economy that's shifting into higher gear. it shows you some confidence in the economy. it also corresponds nicely with the strength we've seen in job creation recently. when you look at the fact you've got gas prices so low here. you've got hiring continuing heading into the end of the year and a third quarter economic growth read like this, it's very good news. that economic growth the strongest since 2003. think about that, that's 11 years the strongest case of economic growth. one other number we got november durable goods, that would be a little bit after