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that a massive search and rescue effort is under way for a jet that's been missing for 10 now 1/2 hours in southeast arab yachlt. >> it was carrying 162 people when it left indonesia bound for singapore. this happened around 5:00 eastern last night. indonesian officials say 45 minutes later, the captain asked to fly above 38,000 feet because of bad weather. now minutes later the plane disappeared from radar. they lost contact 75 minutes later. the captain asked to climb above 38,000 feet because of bad weather. now minutes later the plane disappeared from radar. airline officials are saying they lost contact with them at 7:24 eastern. so they wanted the jet for another half hour before losing contact. >> this is an airbus a-2200. it was due to land at 8:30 eastern last night.

now searchers are combing the eastern asia area and, of course, the families are desperately waiting for some news. at this time, as i'm sure you know, malaysia airlines went missing as it flew to beijing with 239 people aboard. despite a massive international search, there is still no trace of that aircraft. >> 162 people were onboard that missing plane including seven crew members, passengers were from indonesia, south korea, france and malaysia. we want to bring in will rippley in singapore and tell us what is happening now? i can't imagine the agonizing wait that these families have waiting for their loved ones onboard. >> it is an agonizing wait that families here in beijing know all too well. more than 150 passengers of mh-370 went to the airport near beijing on that awful day in

march and they looked at the board with the flight numbers on it and they saw the flight and it said delay next to mh-370 and then only an hour after the plane was supposed to have landed they learned that plane was missing and, of course, we've all covered those awful days and weeks that followed where it was a painfully slow, inconsistent release of information. families were furious. they were grief stricken. they were numb. and there were a lot of hard lessons learned from the response to that crash. in the case of this flight, airasia 8501, it did take several hours before announcements were made that plane was missing. it certainly does take a while to figure out exactly what is happening. the plane is still missing, as you said, for more than ten hours now. so necessity don't have all the answers to give to the families. but what they have done is they set up an area for the families

to keep them away from the reporters. and to get the information directly to them so that they're not having to find out things by reading online or watching television. what airlines have learned in this awful year of 2014 whether we've seen now tragedies involving four different asia-based airliners is that transparency is key. even if they don't have all the answers, they do pass along what they know when they know it. but just a few days left here in the year 2014. who would have thought that we would be talking about something like this again? >> i know that it's obviously still early in this search. the search for 370. there were a lot of marine resources and assets employed to search for that plane. what does the search for 8501 look like now? is it strictly from the air and do we know which countries are involved? >> we know for certain that indonesia deployed the military resources. you have planes that are in the

air. the job also, unlike the indian ocean where it is believed to have gone down which is quite isolated. it's an area of such a huge vast area that searchers are trying to find this plane and haven't been successful now for ten months, in this case though, there is a lot more sea traffic. so you're going to see boats that are deployed. you're going to see aircraft. there will be offers of assistance from other countries if it becomes clear that that kind of help is needed. but there are a lot of key differences here, too, victor. they do -- they did have a radar lock on this plane. they have the radar data. they know there was a call shortly before air traffic control ops contact that there was a major storm that the plane is moving into and they were trying to get up higher to see if they could avoid it. there was no bad weather or technical problems on the plane. and it is baffling to this day.

we can only hope that families of those 162 people onboard flight 8501, let's hope they get answers far sooner than the families here in china and many other countries that are still waiting to learn what happened to their loved ones on flight 370. we'll come back to you for more. >> the pilot said he wanted to change the altitude quickly because of bad weather. then the plane went missing. what does this say to you? >> there are a lot of clues coming out. first and foremost, the bad weather and so many tragic air accidents, weather plays a role. here we know that because the pilot reported it. there is information coming out now on how it was lost on the radar. at 6:16, it was on the radar. on 6:17, it was not. and then it lost radio contact. what is interesting is it -- it

is interesting that in 447, the plane was cooling down. and it's an interesting thing in airbus does. an airbus tries to save itself. seen it will cool down on necessary functions to keep the plane aloft. and looking at the weather radar on the winds, it had really strong winds. this plane would have had a tail wind which would have harmed the air speed, would have caused some air speed deterioration. so there is a lot of factors going on that really indicate that at the time the plane was lost from radar that's probably where the plane was lost. >> mary, the associated press is reporting that we're getting from the acting general of transportation that there was no distress signal sent from the cockpit. what does that tell you? should the officials there in indonesia have expected to receive that considering that quite possibly this plane went down because of the bad weather?

>> well, the fact they didn't call a may day which means they were in imminent danger of losing the plane or the pan-pan, probably indicates to me they didn't have time. when they realized something was going wrong, they were attending to the plane or trying to figure out what is going wrong with the plane, they just did not at that point have time to get the may day call off. now if they were in a situation where the bad weather or it's possible, you know, something gone wrong on the plane on 447, they had air speed indication. and on this plane, there's been a warning on the air speed indicators if they have a problem in the bad weather and a problem on the plane exacerbated it. they have to fly the plane first. so many accidents, you just don't have the may day call. there is not time. so to me, it says there was

something seriously wrong and they were fighting and probably fighting to save the plane. >> mary, talk about airasia never really experienced a major crash and that this is an airplane that according to records was in good shape. it sounds like this was something that was really weather based, it was the conditions of the plane. was there any indication to you that if it had been a different airline or different aircraft that they could have somehow saved that plane from those thunderstorms from the kind of conditions that they underwent on that flight? >> going back to air crash investigations and the work of the ntsb and others, you know, most of the time -- about 75% of the cases even where you have weather problems or aircraft problems, they do find problems with piloting. for example, on air france 447, they had a problem with the plane. but the chief cause of the accident she cited, pilots. the pilots didn't realize the

air speed was deteriorating and they didn't respond properly to save that air speed. you know, they got to keep that air flowing over the wings including if they have to dive to keep the air speed going, same thing on west caribbean 708. there they encountered thunderstorms at cruising altitude as this one was and at very high altitude, they can't climb out of it. they're already at operational ceiling in some cases on the plane. the planes don't go much over 40,000 feet unless you have a special permission. so they couldn't climb out of it. but there also cited the pilots failing to realize they were in icing conditions. that air speed is what kept them in the air. and so even though you have a problem with the plane, statistically speaking, our own ntsb finds pilot error in three fourth of the cases. it is very important on the training aspect.

>> thank you so much for your expertise. we'll come and speak with you several time throughout the show. stand by for us. thank you, mary. >> also want to bring in our meteorologist who is joining us from the cnn weather center to talk about what were the conditions here that this plane was undergoing? i understand it was several weather systems coming together. >> that's right. good morning. there have been reports that there have been roughly three thunderstorms that the pilot needed to navigate. and it's very clear with our latest satellite imagery that this area demarcated by the green circle which is the region where we have the last point of contact with air traffic control. there was a significant amount of intense monsoonal thunderstorm activity across the sea. navigating is very difficult. it's become very clear for the overnight that we have reports that this plane was asking to ascend to 38,000 feet. this is important because

thunderstorms can often peak higher than that, 40,000 to 50,000 feet in some instances. that altitude, we're talking temperatures well below freezing. that means any of the moisture in that area will be in the form of super cooled water droplets and possibility on the wings and the very important instrument onz an airplane that impacts the travel conditions and also the speed of the airplane. this is a very typical weather pattern for this area. we're incurring monsoonal conditions. that is set to continue for the next several days. search and rescue efforts hindered by this particular weather scenario. >> derrick, i'm curious though. is this the kind of thing that pilot would have been aware of prior? could he have got smen sort of warning from air traffic control or the radar signals that the bad weather was coming? or was ut a total surprise? >> they would get briefed on the weather conditions for the first part of their journey.

you know, radar only have a certain diameter they can see out ahead of the on going plane. so pilots really refer and reference their onboard radar system to give them that accurate information and it is so accurate that they have a few minutes at least at the very minimum to navigate around big thunderstorm cells like this. when they peak at 50,000 feet in the air, there's no way to get around or even up and over the storms without encountering the worst of the turbulence. >> all right. derrick, thank you for joining us. i want to talk about what the search and rescue teams are facing as they head out. the planes are in the air searching for 8501. we'll take a quick break and continue our breaking news conference this morning of the search for airasia flight 8501. alright, so this tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours but aleve can last 12 hours. and aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. so why am i still thinking about this?

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welcome back. 15 minutes after the hour now. we're continuing our breaking news coverage about 11 hours now since the last contact with airasia flight 8501. 162 people onboard. i want to bring in david susie, also the author of why planes crash. he's an faa safety inspector. we know that thunderstorms were in the area when this plane went down, david. is there any indication of what we're learning from the indonesian authorities that this could be attributed to any other factor beyond the rough weather? >> no, there's no indication right now, victor. there are indications that the severe weather was not just thunderstorms but also wind shear. if we look at the aircraft they were flying in the same area, there was a 777 flying at a speed of 503 knots very near this aircraft this aircraft was at 350 knots which would

indicate that it had a head wind, a significant head wind compared to the 777 which is in the same area. so what that is telling us is there is a lot of turbulence activity going on in that area. one aircraft is going with no head wind and the other has severe head wind. so that tells us there was some wind shear sections within that area that are very concerning to me when i look at this now. >> and, david, this is an air bus 32200 single twin engine jetliner. we understand the plane's last scheduled maintenance was november 16th. what does that tell you about the condition of the plane and the specific plane that was flying? >> well, that data is very significant for one reason. there was an air witness directive issued just this month and that directive was required to be accomplished but because of the fact it was november 17th, i'm questioning whether or not they have the opportunity to

get that air witness directive done. what that air witness directive involves is the air speed indicators, the actual receiving of the information into the aircraft, there was an aircraft fairly recently who had both air speed -- excuse me, the angle of attack indicators were stuck at a certain level so thereby causing an emergency situation in the aircraft when they had to change the altitude and almost have to land the aircraft. but it was recovered before that. but because of that incident, this air witness directive was issued and that air witness directive we don't know whether it's been complied with or not. there's no reason to think it wouldn't have been. because the minute taintenance november 17th this may or may not have been complied with yet. >> so david, we learned from aviation analysts just a few moments ago that airus about

320-2200, it tries to save itself. she said by pairing down some of the functions on the plane. we also know this is coming from the associated press that the indonesian acting director general of transportation says there was no distress signal from the cockpit. considering the poebl pairing down of functions, would that still have been an option for this pilot? if some of the functions are shutting down, could he have still sent that may day call? >> there are several ways to issue a may day call. yes, it definitely could have been made even if the shutting down of instruments say that there was a mechanical or some kind of electrical failure on the aircraft, there are five different communication method onboard the aircraft including almost a text message that sends through the airing, through the link that they have with the operator and carrier so there are many different ways for them to do this. now whether or not it was

accomplished, that's not their first priority. the first priority is to fly the aircraft and to maintain flight altitude and to then put the aircraft into a safety flight altitude. so at that point, then they would contact and say, yes, we have an emergency. we need to do something about it. so it wouldn't be uncommon to not make that distress call if there was something severe going on at that moment. all right, david, author of "why planes crash," stay with us throughout the morning, david. we'll be coming back to you as we learn more about this search for 8501. >> we're also learning more about the passengers as well. airasia released a list of the nationalities of those onboard. we now know that 149 are indonesian, three are from south korea, one is from singapore, one from malaysia and one from united kingdom. this is heartbreaking when you hear this. but 17 children including an

infant were among those who were actually onboard. we want to bring in our own tom fuentes, cnn analyst and fbi assistant director to talk a little bit more about what we think we are in this scenario. you might remember the other airline that the missing plane we covered for quite some time, the malaysian flight 370, there was so much angst and pain that people felt just waiting. what do you think were some of the lessons that we learned from covering that that this airline is going to be dealing with in helping them get through this very difficult time? >> good morning, suzanne. i think the main thing that should have been learned, we hoped was learned, was that, you know, the communication that's put out by the airline, by the authorities and the country is very important. they need to start immediately

notifying the public and particularly isolate the passengers and passenger's families and, you know, keep them informed. keep them protected from the media at large, from other sources of bad information, try to keep them informed as to what they're doing. if nothing else, just show the concern of the authorities in taking care of them. we hope that lesson was learned. this is going to be very difficult because the job, you know, although the sea is very val l shallow, it is 150 feet, but you have the condition that's are so horrendous. this pilot might not have been able to fly in any direction to avoid the terrible weather that was encounters. and if that affected the instrumented or affected the ability of the plane to stay in the air, you know, that's going

to cause it to go down. now the authorities have had almost a full day of daylight already to be looking for it. but, again, can the surf planes fly in that kind of weather? can the ships look for debris in that turbulent of water and air? so that's a difficult thing. also a lot of people are aware that indonesia has 17,000 separate islands. you have all of these little islands all over the area. there are a lot of ships in the area. there are a lot of places that plane could have gone down on land or sea. so that part of the search is going to be very important. it's just become dark there in the last couple of hours. it's only 7:30 at night. they're going to have a long wait until daylight hours to resume the search over the ocean. >> tom, remember from the days, the early days of the search for 370 that there were questions and concerns or jurisdiction, which country, which agency had jurisdiction over information and the search areas.

what will be the roles of the uk of singapore, of the other countries that had passengers from that country's onboard with this investigation? >> well, the investigation is going to be run by the indonesians. it was their flight, their carrier. they will be responsible and in charge. now getting help from the british or other authorities is something that's routinely done. i would expect that to be done. but you have especially in this case it's an air bus. it is manufactured in europe. many of the components are manufactured in the u.s. and in other countries. so those countries could play a role in assisting. the pull being of the passengers are indonesians. everybody else will be providing assistance as necessary. >> and, tom, we're learning more about the airline itself. we know that it's popular in the

region and a no frills carrier and connects a lot of the smaller, as you mentioned, the eye loondz to the major cities in southeast asia. and what would be the role? we know that president obama is actually notified of the missing plane. we know ntsb gets involved and throughout the world in some of the investigations. how would the united states play a role in this missing plane? >> the u.s. allow for any and all assistance as possible. so, you know, if we have naval ships in the area, research ships in the area, certainly they can be brought in and used to assist. i think that many countries will be offering any of the assets that can be brought to bear. a lot of that will depend on how long. you wouldn't have expected this to go this far and i think yet again that heightens the aspect of this that it's a mystery where that plane went down even though it's more confined area. it's a smaller plane, less fuel.

it was only on a two our flight. not on a long range flight like the mh 370 was. i think that the hope is that the plane will be located or the crash site if it comes to that will be located hopefully sometime tomorrow during the daylight hours. >> why are you so optimistic about that? >> well, i think just that it's such a smaller, much smaller area and they can confine the search more accurately to, you know, that area of the sea or the landmass to the west of it and again all the different islands in there. that is also a very heavy shipping lane in that part of the java sea. they might be in position to see debris. it came out that for days the search was centered in the wrong

ocean. >> all right. tom, thank you so much, we appreciate it. this might be a very different scenario that we saw because of the area that it is contained, that people would be able to get to that portion in the java sea quickly as soon as the becomes daylight. >> as we learned from will rippley, he says they had a radar lock on this plane unlike 370. they have a better idea of where this plane was when they last had contact. we also know the ceo of airasia is in route to surabaya in indonesia. he tweeted earlier, thank you for your thoughts and prayers. we must stay strong. we'll continue our coverage for the search of airasia 8501.

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welcome back to continuing coverage of the breaking news, the search for flight 8501. massive search and recovery under way for this passenger jet. it's been missing for about 11

hours now in the southeast asian sea there, the java sea. that's when contact was lost had with the pilots. >> airasia flight 8501 was carrying 162 people when it left indonesia bound for singapore. this happened at 5:30 eastern last night. indonesian officials say 45 minutes later the captain asked to climb above 38,000 feet because of bad weather. so minutes later this plane disappeared from radar. now airline officials, they're saying they lost contact at 7:24 eastern. indonesian authorities say they monitored the jet for another half hour before actually losing contact. >> the air bus 83-22 hundred was due to land at 8:00 eastern last night. now they're combing the sea for any trace of the flight. and the families obviously are desperate for answers.

now this hunt, as you know, comes less than ten months after malaysian airlines flight went missing with 239 people aboard. despite that massive search effort, there is still no trace of that aircraft. >> 162 people onboard that missing plane including seven crew members. passengers were from indonesia, south korea, malaysia, united kingdom. i want to bring in our will rippley. we have been through this time and time again. we know covering the last serns with mh 370 how painful that was for families just waiting and waiting and waiting for any bit of information about their loved ones onboard. >> and this is a time where every hour that passes, every minute that passes for the people that are going through this is just prolonged.

and now put yourself in a position of more than 150 chinese families here. we know these families are -- they're in a crisis center. information is being kmued directly to them. they're being kept away from the media. we've had four different airliners based in southeast asia go missing or crash. we often forget about that over the summer. more than 40 people died and people killed on the ground whether it crashed in bad weather. and then also airasia flight 8501. when you look at the makeup of the passengers onboard, when you account for crews and passengers, 155 indonesians, they were heading there to celebrate the new year this week. this is a time of celebration

around the world. and this is a budget carrier that is relatively -- this is a relatively new thing in asia. opening up air travel to a whole generation of people that can never afford it before. now we have another group of families that have seen their loved ones get on a plane and they won't be coming home. >> it is because it's not necessarily the region itself, more people are able to avord to travel? this is an airline company that says now everyone can travel. it's rather no frills airline that that's why we are seeing more people are seeing the crashes, simply more people are taking to the skies? >> yeah. airasia has a tremendous safety record. and they are becoming a major player in this part of the world. they're expanding aggressively here in china. certainly here in china you look

at the economic story here. people are continuing to make more money. even other countries in southeast asia as the marketplace gets more aggressive and as these legacy carriers that send to charge really high fares are getting undercut and trying to find new ways to compete in a market where you have carriers like airasia that offer a lower price point, it really is opening up air travel for a lot of people in this part of the world who could never fly before. to have a year where four different plains planes, from this region, you know, carriers in this region went down, it's something we never thought we would be talking about again coming into the final days of this year. >> you know, will that, is an excellent point. there are people waking up in the u.s. and turning on televisions around the world and seeing another malaysia-based airliner dealing with a missing plane. we're read tloug twitter some communications between the

malaysians and the government there, the airline officials there and with the airline officials at airasia. what is that communication like? >> well, what we're seeing and what we didn't see a lot of in the initial days and weeks of mh 370s disappearance is there is much more faster information sharing. because sad think have been several air tragedies now in this part of the world. countries that may have had systems in place that prevented information sharing. they worked out a way to more infectively communicate. and so you see now just in a matter of hours malaysia dispatching resources to hept indonesia lead search effort. i remember flying with u.s. military search planes and we had a hard time sometimes get ago principle of law to cross over indonesian airspace. it appears in the initial hours that countries are working together, offering help. they've been through this

before. and they know what to do and hopefully we'll find answers for the families waiting right now. >> we want to bring in renee march whosh is live from washington. renee, you covered these plane -- missing planes and crashes for many, many years. you've been in touch with now both the air bus and the ntsb. so first of all, what is air bus telling you? what do we know about this plane? >> i can tell you, you know, to echo what will said, we know that this particular aircraft has a very good safety record. airbus releasing information on this specific plane saying that it had approximately 23,000 flight hours. and some 13,600 flights.

this really is the work horse when we talk about carriers using this design of the airplane. again, it's a twin engine. again, when you talk about how many times that this particular aircraft has and you look at how many incidents have been associated with airus about a-320, it does have a good safety record. i have been in touch with the ntsb not hearing much from them either at this point. but we do know that they're most likely monitoring the situation. the ntsb would have to be invited by the countries who are needing them. there is no reason to believe that they would not be invited. they were involved as well as mh 17 which we saw a crew from the

ntsb dispatch. so, you know, once we figure out what is behind the disappearance of this particular aircraft, if need be, the ntsb would have to believe would also be invited in. of course, it's crucial are those black boxes, the flight data recorders which we know always holds very critical information. we would get information from the report erdz regacorders reg health of the plane and if anything went wrong mechanically with the aircraft, that's where the information we would be able to fly from the flight data recorders and also if the pilots had any conversation within the cockp cockpit, we would be able to hear that sort of information as well. they are running out of daylight at this point. but, again, getting the flight data recorders will be critical.

>> the captain had 6100 flying hours and the first officer, 2,275 flying hours s that significant? is it substantial? was that an experienced crew? >> yeah. it is an experienced crew. when you listen to how many flight hours each of the pilots had, you know, whether it be mentioned quite a bit although we don't know definitively what went wrong. often time you hear about whether it's thunderstorms or lightning, turbulence, i visited boeing. it's a different manufacturer. but all manufacturers put their planes through the same sort of testing. boeings, for example, during high visit there, they have a lightning lab. they put the aircraft through. they simulate lightning. they make sure that the plane is engineers to withstand certain elements of nature like lightning, like turbulence.

they're built in this way. the critical part is when an aircraft is in these sort of weather conditions, does the pilot react? does the pilot react correct sfli that's critical as well. to your question, you know, does weather play a role? we're still waiting to see. when you look at the satellite imagery at this point, there is no doubt that this aircraft did go through some very bad weather. >> renee marsh joining us by phone, aviation correspond in washington, renee, stay by the phone. we'll get back with you in a few moments. let's bring in now alice derosenshine. so let's get straight to the point. we spent a lot of saturday and sunday mornings talking about the flight path of 370. this seems to be dealing with

this weather pattern often. is this an anomaly or something you as a pilot dealt with on this flight path? >> this is very normal in this area. it's very rare can you do a flight between the two planes. without encountering thunderstorms ott some point on the roof. but this particular time of year, it is perhaps, well, particularly bad. and that's because the tropical convergence actually lies, although it circles the globe, it is over the java sea which is where the aircraft was going to avoid weather. one assumes it was doing so to avoid weather. it is very difficult trying to pick your way through and around these areas of thunderstorms. usually you take the path of

least resistance, in other words, the area where you are going to get the least turbulence and the radar paints a picture showing you where those areas, particularly bad areas are. one of the -- i was going to say one of the difficulties and actually trying to climb over the weather is that you compromise the aircraft's fliability. you have less air speeds to play with when you go higher. the air is thinner. so, you know, sometimes it's better to remain at the current level or even suspend but go around the weather. it's up to the pilot on the day. no one can tell him whether or not he's chosen the right path. of course we don't know yet whether this disappearance is a weather-related descent or some other reasons.

>> we have learned that pilot was asking to climb above to avoid the bad weather. what does that indicate to you that he didn't mention to go around the weather? what was he dealing with that he made that request? >> my understanding is that he had to request to divert to the west to get around the weather and also to climb to 380. they've done a combination of defe deviating around & through the weather. those are things i have got from the information at the moment. that's not at all unusual. i would expect that to be completely normal. what is unusual is for the aircraft to not have re-estabilshed contact with the air traffic control over the diversion. >> how quickly could he have done that if he was successful

in moving to the west and climbing at all tud? could he have done that quickly to avoid that weather pattern? >> normally you're talking about 10, 15 minutes, it depends on the weather situation, at what point the pilot can pass through the weather and can therefore rejoin the track. but, you know, if they're going through an area of let's say moderate to severe dush lance or particularly severe turbulence, they're unlikely trying to make a radio call at that point, they're trying to flight aircraft. we don't know for sure this is what happened. but rarely expect a pilot to divert to not contact air

traffic again within about 15 minutes. >> our law enforcement analyst is confident based on what he's learned that this plane will be found pretty soon. clearly not stretching out the ten months of the search of mh 370. b based on what you know about this company and flight path, are you as confident this plane will be found in fairly short order? >> i would be brave if i said i was confident. i predicted the mh-370 would be found in short order and i was wrong. i'm going to hold my fire on this one. normally one would expect it to be located fairly quickly. one thing we can know is that the fuel it had onboard, it flew for an hour and a half. so we're talking a radius of 900

naughtical miles. not the enormity of the mh-370 which was 4,000 miles away from the last point of contact. >> all right. former pilot who actually flew this route that 8501 flew heading from surabaya to singapore. stay by the phone. like all of our guests and analyst this is morning, we'll be calling upon you for your expertise and reporting. thank you so much. we'll take a quick break. y'know what my business philosophy is, reynolds? >>no. not exactly. to attain success, one must project success. that's why we use fedex one rate®. >>their flat rate shipping. exactly. it makes us look top-notch but we know it's affordable.

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we're following breaking news this morning. a massive search and rescue effort under way for a passenger

jet that has been missing now for 11 hours. >> airasia flight 8501 is carrying 162 people when it left indonesia at a5:30 eastern last night. 45 minutes late he or so the captain asked to climb above 38,000 feet because of the bad weather. minutes later, the plane disappeared from radar. they lost contact at 7:24 eastern. although indonesian authorities say they monitored the yet for another half mour before losing contact. >> the airus about was due to land at 8:30 eastern last night. they are searching for any trace of this plane. as desperate families, they're agonizing waiting for the news. this hunt comes less than ten months, you might recall, after malaysia airlines flight 370

went missing. despite this massive search effort, there is still no trace of that plane. >> we know that the ceo of this company tony fernandez, the ceo of airasia is traveling to surabaya, indonesia. he tweeted a few moments ago. he tweeted to all of my airasia all stars, be strong, continue to be the best, pray hard. continue to do your best for all our guests. i'll see you soon. he's en route to surabaya. let's get to our cnn meteorologist. karen, the weather in this area, we understand not just one thunderstorm but a collection of storms could quite possibly what caused this plane to go down. >> it was a torrential down pour but this is typical for this time of year.

they are in the monsoon season. this is surabaya. here is singapore. you can see a couple thunderstorm clusters right there and right there. so definitely these pilots need to be aware of this. but they're also trained to go around the thunderstorms or to maneuver or to request diversions when this kind of activity is in the area. this is the monsoon season. it is in the intertropical convergence zone meaning the ittz, an area where we start to see a lot of tropical activity. the water is very warm here. and when you get moisture, you get a little lift. you are going to see the thunderstorms build. that is an interesting component. this green circle outlines the region where the plane is estimated to be and at the time there was suddenly no communication for flight 8501. just to give you a broad perspective what they deal with

in thunderstorms and as i've mentioned, pilots are trained to deal with these thunderstorms, specifically monsoon takeoffs, monsoon landings because there is mondsoonal region here. we get that moist air that begins to lift until it becomes super saturated. it can't lift any longer. it becomes too heavy. then it slides down the thunderstorm. so you get the constant lifting and sinking. that's what we know as the turbulence. the flight was at about 32,000 feet when they request a diversion to go to 38,000 feet. it may take them five minutes, ten minutes. it depends on their rate of asent. here is the flight path this flight was taking flight 8501 at about 32,000 feet. now this airport, we know that takeoff and landings went well here. but certainly across the sea we had the clusters of

thunderstorms. and the tops on them were estimated to be between 50 and 53,000 feet. this flight was trying to get out of the rough air. they may have been trying to go around it. we don't know at this point. >> karen, thank you so much. as you know, we've been following the breaking news. please join us throughout the morning here. we're learning information as you are. this is asia airasia flight 8501. 162 people onboard that flight. that plane has been missing. they are about 12 hours ahead of our time. that makes it just about 7:00 in the evening. they're losing daylight hours to find that plane. they are desperately searching. ♪ (holiday mhey! is playing) i guess we're going to need a new santa

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good morning, everyone. we're coming up at 7:00 here on the east coast. the breaking news we've been following for almost 12 hours now, the massive search and recovery effort for this passenger jet in southeast asia.

>> airasia flight was carrying 162 people when it left indonesia bound for singapore. that happened around 5:30 eastern last night. indonesian officials say that about 45 minutes later the captain asked to climb above 38,000 feet because of the severe weather. airline officials say they lost contact at 7:24 eastern. indonesian authorities say they monitored the jet for another half hour before losing contact. this was due to land at 8:30 eastern last night. and now searchers are combing the java sea for any trace of the flight. the families understandably desperate for any word. we watched families wait for word of a plane in that

neighborhood coming some information before ten months ago. malaysia airlines flight went missing. 239 people aboard that flight. and, of course, we covered the massive international search effort. still no trace of that aircraft. >> so joining us by phone are aviation correspondent richard quest. we have a lot of questions for you this morning. we know there were heavy storm in the area, multiple storms, monsoon conditions at the time that this plane went missing. so a lot of people looking at this and said weather could be a factor in bringing this down. was there a possibility, however, because the pilot requested to travel west and to ascend that there was something else besides weather at play? >> at the moment we don't know. but what we can say is, you

know, you look for that which is obvious. if there had been a mechanical fault or something else going on, i do expect that on that request for a deviation because of weather, he would have mentioned, the pilot would have mentioned the reason why, the may day, the issue that was at stake. here you have to start with what we know. so what we're seeing now is sort of people starting to talk about a diversion because of weather and then you start to ask did something happen as a result of that? now weather itself will not bring down an aircraft. the aircraft, particularly this aircraft has an excellent safety record, weather doesn't bring down planes. however, the pilots may have responded to something happening or the way the aircraft responded, that's a different matter. and that in the fullness of time is where the focus will be.

>> what are the opening that's the pilot had to work when when you talk about how he responded to the weather? >> well, you know, we're skating very quickly down the road of speculation. and, you know, you want to know what happened. that is natural. that's what comes to mind immediately. that was a weather situation. the weather created an incident with the aircraft with the troops and the speed machines that they navigate the aircraft. it's the way the pilot responded to the air speed indicator. you have a chain of events which actually lead to whatever happens. now that's a long way down the road. and we're not going -- i'm not going to go there yet. this is a plane that as they say

was in the cruise. it was at the safest part of flight. cruise do not happen to aircraft while they're flying 500 miles an hour at 33,000 feet. that is not without some major extraneous event. >> we know that our aviation correspondent spoke with the ntsb and also with air bus. you suggested this will be a lengthy investigation. but at this moment, what likely can the investigators here in indonesia and airus about glean if the technological mondaying toing -- monitoring of this plane? >> we're waiting to find out what the technology was onboard the aircraft. what sort of reporting mechanism. in with that you remember in all that which, of course, is the satellite company that handled the information from malaysia

mh-370, they said today that air arab yashgs t asia did not have enough equipment onboard. this plane wasn't acceptsending that way. it had another form of information it was sending. it was certainly sending data. they are constantly communicating and we're waiting to find out what that was. what we'll find out from that is where the plane was, the altitu altitude, the information of the engines, all the sort of peaces of details and information that we need over the investigators will need to actually figure out what happened. the most important information is the wreckage if and when it's found and, of course, the black boxes. as we remember from mh-370, if this plane had come down or

failed in water, then the black boxes will now be transmitting. >> richard quest, aviation correspondent, stay by the phone, richard. we'll be speaking with you throughout the morning. thank you. >> greg, we're getting new information here. reuters saying the search is temporarily called off because it's dark. it's night fall there. give us a sense of what this means for the possibility of rescue and of finding that plane fairly quickly. >> you will recall when the 370 crisis first erupted, the plane was lost in the morning. and immediately that day a search started up in the gulf of tie land. of course this body of water where this airasia plane

disappeared is far to the south. s it's a big monsoon season coming through. even in the best of conditions, it's hard to spot wreckage on the ocean at night. also you have the stormy conditions going on. so if there were too many search aircraft in the air at night, the chances of them being able to see anything or locate anything or help any survivors would be remote. and then also there is a danger of the rescue aircraft bumping into each other. you have to think about the safety of the rescue assets being die employed. >> what do you expect the search to look like? do we expect them to get back in the air? do we expect the marine resources to be employed as they were in the days and weeks and months in, fact, after 370 disappeared?

>> a lot depends on the weather. we're experiencing the very stormy conditions in southeast asia. it was very clear conditions. it was completely different situation. there is a lot of rain. a lot of, you know, flooding all over southeast asia. the weather is increment. overnight i expect a the love search assets will be flown in to bases, you know, around the search area. they'll be able to launch a search tomorrow. it has to be highly focused. and sensors like radar sensors like infrared don't work so well on the sea. you have to have guys looking out the windows of airplanes and identify bits of aircraft. then it becomes an issue of taking pictures of the things that you see and then determining whether they're part of the aircraft or not.

>> this is an area where there are many, many, many small islands. is there a potential that this plane is not necessarily crashed, not lost at sea but that the possibility of this plane on an island? >> well, that's getting into the realm of conspiracy theories. as if the plane landed on a runway somewhere, that's really speculative. there are other islands nearby. again, if the aircraft went down, if it crashed and it seems likely on an island somewhere, night is falling. it is extremely wet conditions in this part of the world right now. it is gloomy, gray, rainy. they probably wouldn't have lasted very long. it will take time for them to locate the aircraft. 747 that crashed into a mountain in japan in the '80s. i think it took them two or three days to find the wreckage

of that aircraft. searching for aircraft is arduous and a very small thing in a very big world at the end of the day. >> certainly not to be conspiracy toral in that question. just simply wonld ferg it's possible, the logistics-wise if something like that could happen. you're in singapore now. what is the mood there in singapore? people must be now going to bed in quite anxious. >> there is a special area for the relatives. now the security people at the airport wouldn't tell us how many people were waiting at the airport. but otherwise, the mood in

singapore is he is real. you look at the airport, planes are coming and going. it's almost strange that hasn't had more of an impact than it has. we just had this horrible tragic aberration. and that's, of course -- sounds like we lost greg there. >> thanks to you, managing editor of flight global. we'll get back to you as soon as we can reconnect with you there in singapore. greg, thank you so much. we're learning more about the search. indonesian officials, the air force there has deployed three planes including a surveillance plane to search for 8501. we also learning that singapore has joined this search with two c-130s although the planes have been grounded for the night. the search included, singapore

resources, singapore resources and indonesian resources. we're learning more about the crew there. we know that there were seven members of the crew, six indonesian, one french. we'll get to our will rippley with details on the new information in just a moment. breaking news continues after our break. ♪ ♪ my baby drove up in a brand new cadillac ♪ ♪ ♪ my baby drove up in a brand new cadillac ♪ ♪ ♪ look here daddy, i'm never coming back ♪ ♪ discover the new spirit of cadillac and the best offers of the season. lease this 2015 standard collection srx for around $359 a month. hurry in. offer ends soon. into one you'll never forget.

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we're back with our top story. a search at sea that is now under way in southeast asia for a passenger jet. it has been missing now for nearly 12 hours. >> it is airasia flight 8501. 162 people were onboard when it left indonesia for singapore around a5:30 eastern yesterday evening. indonesian officials say 45 minutes later the plane disappeared from radar. airline officials say they lost contact with the jet at about 724 eastern. >> it was due to land at 8:30 eastern last night. they're searching the waters for any trace of that flight. families, as can you imagine, desperate to learn any information about the fate of their loved ones. >> 162 people were onboard that missing plane including seven crew members. the passengers were from six different nations.

155 indonesians, that includes the crew, three from south korea, malaysia, one, one from singapore, one from the united kingdom and one person from france. and we're just learning and this is just come in the last couple of minutes, that the french national onboard was the first officer on that plane. that means he was the co-pilot. his family was made aware of the situation. french authorities are now working in close clap rags with indonesia to locate the plane. so with six crew members who were indonesian, one french, we now know that the co-pilot in this case was french. that means the captain is indonesian. let's bring in will rippley. he's in beijing. will, what is being done for the families of the passengers onboard? i hear you have new information for us.

>> the families were notified and that allowed the airline to then pretty quickly put out the passenger manifest. they would only do something like that after notifying the families on everybody onboard. the majority of passengers onboard, you know, this is time of year when a lot of people from indonesia celebrate the new year. there is a sizable indonesian population there. there is interconnectivity. a lot of ethnic chinese in indonesia who might want to go and celebrate this week. so there's a lot of air travel happening. the other families were notified. we also know that they have areas in both in singapore and surabaya, the two airports where the flight was expected to land and where the flight took off. so families have been able to go to the special areas that are guarded, keeping them away from the press, the growing number of cameras that you know are at the airport just like we all were at the airport in malaysia doing our job covering this.

but by keeping the families away from them, especially during this time and giving them some space where they can gather their thoughts, get information directly from the airline and then if they decide they want to come out and speak to the reporters about their loved ones that are missing or anything else on their mind, they have the right to do that. but the fact that they're being given a space, a way from all of the chaos to just sit there and compose themselves, that's critical. there is transparency on part of the government and the airline. the family members are the first to know what is being learned in the search effort which now that night has fallen we can presume it should be wrapping up if it hasn't already. but the families need to know that information. they shouldn't be learning from television reports, from internet reports like a lot of the families did right during flight 370 here in china and also in malaysia. >> will, we learned a few

moments ago that planes in this search have been grounded because of night fall. we assume the search will continue as soon as the sun up is again. but to reinforce your point about the communication between the airline, the government and the families, a tweet from tony fernand fernandez, ceo of airasia writes our priority is looking after all the next of kin if my staff and passengers. we continue to pass information as it comes. again, we know he is in en route to surabaya where this plane took off. >> we do. he is a very media savvy ceo. we heard reports when he flies on the planes, he doesn't ask for the best seat but perhaps a seat closer to back so that passengers can have a better seat. he is certainly very aware of public perception, crisis management and this social media age. and he knows that the number one

priority is to communicate directly to the families. that why you felt surabaya was the place to be as ceo. we'll see him giving information to those people and then probably also talking to the media there as well. >> and will, paint a picture if you will for us. i know they've been separated from the rest in the airport. what kind of services are being offered to them now? what kind of information can they get now even though it's very, very early in this whole thing? >> certainly they will be deploying if they haven't already counsellors, grief counsellors, crisis management professions. they'll be given food and water. they will be fed. there will be sort services available for them. everybody has different ways of handling tragedies like this. we saw families here in beijing. we saw families run the cgam um

of the spectrum of the prolonged period. they were angry, they were sobbing. they were numb. so whatever point these families are at in the process of taking in this information and in dealing with it in each of their own ways they're going to be offered the support services to try to help them get through that as best as possible. once a plane is located, if it's officially determined the plane crashed and it's no longer classified as missing, then you also have legal professionals there who start to talk about things like compensation for families. but, of course, all of that will happen father down the road. they get answers as they come n the airline doesn't know what happened yet. they can be rest assured that tomorrow morning when the sun comes up and that visual search begins where planes are flying over the offa sea looking for

any signs of debris. when they use side scan seonar o look for debris that when pieces of debris are located, the families will be informed. they won't nbt dark during this really awful ordeal. they have one after another air tragedies. >> i appreciate it. victor is one of those things where when you had mh 370, some of the passengers that -- well, will the family of the passengers were so upset and distraught, they turned against the airline. i imagine that these families are turning to them and wanting as much comfort and as much information as quickly as possible. it was heartbreaking for so many. >> there are lesson that's airasia and indonesians are learning from the way that the disappearance of mh-370 was handled in the early days and

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welcome back. 7:26 here on the east coast. and we're following two breaking stories. of course, first that missing plane, 8501, the airasia flight that disappeared in route from endough nearbia to singapore and we're getting details about this growing coalition to search for this plane. we knew the indonesians had three planes up including a surveillance plane. but we're now learning the ma

lagss, the transport minister has announced that malaysia deployed three vessels and three aircraft to join this indonesian-led effort to find this plane. also, we know that singapore has deployed two c-130s to join the search. in and out planes have been grounded for the night because of night fall and the rough weather there. but we know that now the indonesians, singapore involved adds well and the ma lagss, the ma lagss obviously after that search for 370, they have experienced in this search and they're now joining with three vessels and three aircraft. >> we're also following another major breaking news story right now. there are rescue effort that's are under way to try and reach passengers who were on a burning fer ferry, this is between greece and italy. at least 150 people already have been rescued.

it is unclear what started this fire. but officials say that it appears to -- that blaze started on the lower deck. this ferry was traveling to the city in italy. this is a joint italian greek rescue operation. we're going to continue to follow that breaking news story as well. we're going to be getting more information as this develops throughout the morning. >> two transportation disasters we're following this morning. we'll have more details after a quick break. stay right here for breaking news coverage. could protect you from cancer?

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