and i think we'll see what ultimate con kwebs of that will be. >> and we'll see if more information comes out about this. thank you, gentlemen and thank you so much for watching. i'm brianna keeler in "the situation room," erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" tonight, breaking news. bodies covered and debris found and searchers find the first evidence of the lost air asia plane as day breaks and the question remains what brought down flight 8501. and a second incident involving airasia and a-320, what sent passengers fleeing down evacuation slides. and a company insider could be behind the sony hack? could the government have been wrong about north korea? let's go "outfront." good evening.

i'm jim sciutto in for erin burnett. and front, the recovery of flight 8501. as the sun breaks over the java sea, researchers are looking for the grim task. the debris discovered 62 miles, perhaps than a hundred miles from the last known place in the area. the destroyer, uss sampson has discovered some debris as well. at this hour three bodies have been recovered. families of passengers first learned when bodies aired on the television. overwhelmed by the confirmation of their worst fears. a family of five on vacation two families of four a man heading to singapore for his wedding. earlier a military aircraft spotted a shadow of what looked like a plane in the water and soon what it appeared to be an emergency exit and a number of the bodies.

the debris feel is in the cara matta straight and the water there averaging between 80-100 feet and large waves hamper the recovery. among the questions we'll examine is did the aircraft stall and if so why? and why has debris been found so far from the last known location in the air? and why did authorities wait 90 minutes to declare 8501 missing? also while no one will speculate on the cause of the crash yet, ceo tony fernandez indicated that the severe weather is at least a cause for concern. >> the flights in malaysia and thailand there is a lot of rain. so that is something that we have to look at more carefully because the weather is changing. >> andrew stevens is "outfront" live in indonesia where the flight originated. a tremendous amount of progress the first signs of debris and

bodies. what is the latest now as another day of search begins? >> reporter: jim, this is the grim basically aftermath of an air crash. we are at the sur a baya airport and i've counted ambulances lined up to wait for the bodies to come back and transported to a police hospital where the identification will take place. but the conditions we're being told are rough, it is still rough out there. that shadow of the plane, such a crucial part of the puzzle finding the actual main part of the plane, they can't relocate it. that is what we are being told about 15 minutes ago. so that is a focus. search today. obviously as finding bodies as well. but it has been an absolutely heart-rendering past 24 hours for the families of the passengers and the crew on board that flight. take a look. a grim recovery operation is now

underway in the waters off indonesia. there is rescue teams working to retrieve bodies and debris from the wreckage of airasia flight 8501. it was found off the coast of bornio about 60 miles from the last known location over the java sea. >> it is an experience i never dreamt of happening and it is probably an airline ceo's worst nightmare, after 13 years of flying millions of people. it is the worst feeling one could have. >> reporter: as searchers pull bodies from the waters family members watch the scene on live television. after seeing debris they saw video of a helicopter lowering a diver to what appeared to be a floating body. some people fainted, others burst into tears. 155 passengers and seven crew members were on that flight. >> translator: when they explained not only did they find

debris and also found bodies floating in the water, everyone became hysterical especially the mothers. one mother even blacked out. >> reporter: the airbus a 320 lost contact early sunday morning shortly after the pilot requested permission to turn and climb to a higher altitude because of bad weather. cnn obtained audio of air traffic control moments before the plane left indonesia's second biggest city. >> [ inaudible ]. >> reporter: officials are hoping to find the plane's black boxes which should contain critical information about what happened in the plane's final moments. search and rescue teams are diverting all of their resources to where the debris was found. the u.s. is one of several nations contributing to the effort. a u.s. navy destroyer arrived on tuesday and another is being prepared to deploy from

singapore. >> u.s. fort worth, that ship is getting ready to sail and can be ready in a day or two to get on station and can be there fairly quickly. >> reporter: and we know that heavy rain bands, jim, are sweeping through the search zone. there are swong winds and also -- strong winds and quite high waves. so this is a challenge for the search teams as they try to pull bodies out and try to locate crucially the main fuselage of that plane which has the voice and cockpit recorders and the black boxes, jim. >> this is just the beginning of a long and difficult and painful search effort. thanks very much to andrew stevens live in surabaya in indonesia. and now there has been found some debris the next step is identifying the exact location of the plane itself. the main debris field. tom foreman is outfront with the latest. tom how are they conducting the search particularly in the conditions there they have much

shallow water than the mh-370. >> this is only about 100 feet or so. let's go over the basics. you have three layers of search. the first is what we're talking about. we know where the plane went and where the search areas were established and where debris has been found and in the red box and there are royaling waters that can move things around a great deal. that is the first layer. the top of the water. the first layer of searching matters because that is where the first clues come. if you think about all of those things that they found so far, the pieces on top of the water those can give you an if idea of where to look. they may or may not be critical clues to what happened to this plane, but if you take those and go to the second area of searching, which is the water column ben eeblg the surface, this -- beneath the surface, 80-100 feet down to the bottom and study the currents out there, you can reverse engineer where those pieces on the top may have come from what

relationship they may have to something on the bottom. so that can lead you to the parts that you really want which is the third level down here. the things that are actually on the ocean floor. those matter because those are the heavy bits to put it quite simply. you are talking about things that will tell you what happened to this plane, pieces of wings and the tail and the electrical system and the flight data recorder and the voice recorder the engines, each at about 9,000 pounds an landing -- and landing gear and those are the things if you collect enough of them you can reassemble and get a picture of what really happened to the plane. and they are all in the third layer in all likelihood the bottom layer. what is on the bottom of the water there. >> so tom, let's compare this to past under water search efforts. we said much shallower than with mh-370 and that search still going on. but is tw 800 off the coast of long island shallow water as well is that a good comparison

here? >> it is a good comparison. it was closer to shore and that made the search easier. and make no mistake, it is not easy under water. divers and robotics even 80-100 feet down it is a challenge. but that is a good comparison because they were able to go in the water and by searching for all of the heavy bits on the bottom look at what they came up with. they were able to assemble 95% of that plane. they recovered all of the victims, even though it took ten months to get to the last one and it took them a lot of time to get the pieces together. but this is what really counts. because once you have this you can reassemble the plane and look for damage to the plane and see if it tore apart on impact or landed largely in tact. you can see if there was a fire or explosion or failure of a major system. that is why it is so important that they collect all of the pieces and all three layers top, middle and bottom particularly those big pieces on the bottom because that is how you reassemble in effect the

scene of the crime and the accident and how it happens. >> that is a great point. because with all of the pieces it took years to figure out what brought that plane down. >> four years. >> and it could take that long. thank you. and i want to bring in robert quest and president of duquesne seat come that locates the beacon on the flight. richard, if i could begin with you, wreckage positively identified from the plane. but 60-100 miles from the last known location in the air, it is early and we know this is speculation, but does that give you a clue does it tell you anything about how that plane might have come down? >> not yet. no. i'm afraid it doesn't. we can hypothesize, did it come down because if it fell out of the sky, it should have forward

movement but this 50-100 miles, did it land off -- but it doesn't really tell us. but what it does do the crucial importance of this is it tells us the plane fell out of the sky in that area. and that sounds obvious. but at least you are narrowing the field down. you have this vast water, but now at least it is not quite as vast. look at that debris field, where the debris was recovered. you can get rid of the rest of that area. it is not going to be that far away from there. it is just not. >> and of course again, when we compare it to mh-370 remember the large portions of the south indian ocean at the time that is a major step forward. but many steps. and if i can bring you in explain the range needed to detect a ping from the black box? it is no more than two miles or so. so already we are talking about

60 miles from last known location in the air of this plane, which raises the possibility of a very large debris field. so does that make it clear that there is still a lot of work to be done before you can start reliably putting something in the water, a hydrophone and come to find where the black box is? >> correct, jim. good evening jim and richard. here is a pinger. this is a typical -- typical of the one installed on the aircraft in question. the range of these pingers is like you said about two miles in great or perfect sea-state conditions. so you are talking about not a lot of chop and few waves. so you need to be close to get a good location. so we have a lot of fwhork front of us in terms of narrowing the debris field to tree ang late on a location just yet. >> but a big step forward in that you have some debris which begins to give you a sense of the debris field and gives you a

much better target to look for and listen for for this pinger than for instance when they were listening months ago for mh-370. >> right. and we like to say you have the hay stack, now you know where to look to find the needle. i like to -- if you go back a little bit, since they started putting beacons on black boxes in the late '60s, early '70s, they've had 12 incidences where they have not recovered a flight data or voice data recorder. of those, three are in relatively shallow water. so we still have a lot of work to do to make sure we can try ang late and pick up on the data devices. >> no question. richard, we'll step back a moment to the moment the plane disappeared. because it is also become clearer it was 90 minutes after air traffic controllers lost contact with this flight before they declared it missing. that is a crucial 90 minutes. and i know it is difficult to imagine that someone could have survived this but at least you

would have started the search quicker, wouldn't you? >> but you don't start a search like that. when you declare a plane mission mission -- missing and elevate it to code red and the process. >> you are putting in place ships and planes and people are starting to move. so this might not just be a pilot dillatory or a radio that failed. so 90 minutes sounds like a long time but look at how long it was for mh-370. it was hours. 90 minutes -- they are not sitting there doing nothing in that 90 minutes. they are calling each other and saying have you seen it. call the other aircraft and the previous aircraft controller call the company, call the airline. and everybody is going backwards and forwards and before long an hour has gone past. >> i don't mean to unfairly lay blame and maybe you can tell us you know this well if it is

completely unreasonable to imagine you might have saved lives had you been able to move more quickly? >> yes, is the short answer. you could save lives if the plane didn't fall out of the sky. but the hypothesis, assume the plane landed on the water and attempted water landing. and that 90 minutes could have been crucial. yes, absolutely. it could have been crucial. >> something we don't know but it is a possibility you have to account for. >> the 90 minutes on its own is not an unreasonable amount of time before somebody pushes a big red button and says panic. >> thank you, very much richard quest and anish patel. "outfront" next there is the look at airasia stalled in flight. how is it possible for a plane to stall. and the plane's black box is still under the sea. what the u.s. navy is bringing to that search. and another airasia accident again with an airbus a-320.

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welcome back and breaking news searchers back at work on the java sea resuming the search for bodies and critical black boxes from airasia. and they have found pieces of the wreckage and body. at this time two dive teams and a recognition team is to help in case requested and the possibility that flight 8501 stalled in flight. but how could a start of the art

aircraft flown by an experienced pilot simply fall out of the sky. miguel marquez is "outfront." >> reporter: when an airline loses lift or stalls the result could be catastrophic. >> once you are in an unrecoverable stall what happens? >> there are various types of stalls but for the most part on a swept wing airplane you are going to see a flat situation because the pilots will try to control it and will almost be like a leaf. >> how is that possible? >> well -- >> how can you be moving forward. >> it is possible because they go to such a slower speed. >> reporter: a stall occurs when not only the airspeed slows but the wings are at such an extreme angle or as pilots call it the angle attack the plane loses lift and can plummet. >> the reason the airplane flies is because you have high appreciate pressure on top of the wing and low pressure underneath.

and the more the attack occurs the more likely you get a stall. >> reporter: in the case of qz 8501 already possible information, air data control showing it descending before seeing it disappear on the radar. >> we haven't verified it with data that he was avoiding weather by going up and that is not something we like to do. we would like to go left or right. >> as with flight 8501 and air france 447 was flying from rio to paris on a powerful storm. ice formed on the plane's exterior. the tubes deliver critical information to the plane's computers. pilots had confusing signals as to what was happening with the plane. >> they were getting horns and sirens readouts on the displays and they are trying to determine what is happening with the airplane. >> reporter: the 447 pilot, thinking the plane was losing

airspeed, increased power and climbed, pushing the airplane into a catastrophic stall. the flight voice recorder captured the confusion in the cockpit, with the stall warning blaring, the captain said watch out, you are pulling up one of his co-pilots responded, am i pulling up? and despite heat at that altitude and in those stormy conditions ice could rapidly and easily form. were the pilots of 8501 getting similar information about what was happening to the plane? >> you are talking super cools water droplets. what would happen the concentration was such that it blocked the pedo tubes and the heating system failed or didn't keep up with it. >> all questions for investigators as the search for victims continues, the search for answers just as intense. >> so the question is could we have another airbus plane with a

similar problem to 447 and that is something investigators want to understand. just as one who flies, as we all fly so much just the idea that these modern aircraft could just fall like that is stunning. hard to get your head around. jim. >> no question. that is early and one question. thank you. and here is dan yl sousy. and richard quest, and the host of quest means business. and dan duke a retired united airlines pilot who has flown the a-320 in this part of the world. and david, i begin with you. this is a difficult assignment at this stage because it is early. but we did get new information today. the most crucial you found debris from the plane so you know it hit the water. but two also that much of the debris at least today, 60 miles from where the last known communication is what does that tell you? >> well part about the debris

still has so many questions in it for me. and it could be answered by a thousand different scenarios. so to go into any of the scenarios isn't beneficial but one we should point out. that debris is not indicative of what would be a single point of impact. if you look at 447 -- >> it would be a bigger concentration concentration? >> more than that -- yes it would be more but concentrated and spread out and after these days it would have a pattern to it. and i spoke with david gallo about that pattern and where they pick the pieces doesn't necessarily tell us there was a significant point of impact. so we'll hold out on. >> that and what new clues can tell us and what value they add. and richard, looking at the bodies, a difficult subject, but this has been raised by several experts today, if the clothes have come off the body it is an

indication that the body was outside of the aircraft possibly the wind would take them off, is that a key clue at this stage or could that mean as david referenced multiple things. >> multiple things depending. what it won't tell you -- let me reverse engineer this. what it won't tell you is why the plane came out of the sky. >> it could tell you -- give an indication as to the condition of the plane. >> yes, it can give an indication of the nature of the fall the nature of the velocity of it and how they perished on the way down. but you get better information from the aircraft itself in terms of the metal and the stresses on the metal. >> of course when you find the black box, presumably you do. >> dan, i would love to speak to you as well. you have flown the plane. nobody knows the inside of the cockpit and the conditions the crew might have gone through. stall is a possibility of many. how can a pilot get out -- got

an airplane out of a stall and would this pilot been specifically and repeatedly trained for that kind of scenario? >> i can't speak to what he was trained at. we at united were certainly trained for that. we had upset recovery training almost every recurrent simulator period. and there are more than one kinds of stall. we keep kind of imagining a low-speed stall, the plane can stall at a high speed. what happens is you end one a shock wave on the top of the wing which destroys the lift and it will stall at a higher than normal speed, above the critical mauch. it can stall because it is accelerated. when the airline is turning, it is pulling more g's and requiring more lift out of the wings and more lift than you have airspeed to create and it can stall. but as far as training we received an extensive amount of

training. and each recovery was different. the goal is always the same. get the airplane back into a stable state as quickly as possible. and i think one of your other guests said that -- that there should be more training. well you can't train for every scenario you have to be ahead of the airplane and not let it get away from you and recover it as quickly as possible. >> it would be remarkable to have another situation like this a stall like we saw with air france 447. and david, again let's focus on the information we have at this point and there is some. it is limited but there is some information. you made a good point when we were speaking earlier about what debris has been recovered so far, what appears to be a evacuation ramp and also a case which might indicate that it came from the rear section of the plane. >> right. it is a fly-away case and that means if the aircraft has to land where there is no maintenance available, it has basic needs and basic tools and

some light bulbs oils and things to be used to get the aircraft fixed if there was something wrong with it in a light method. that is next to the aft department doors where it is typically put and that is what we believe is here. i've talked to several mechanics an they validated it was that. >> what would that tell you? >> what concentration of one part of the plane? >> it says something happened and from what we can tell and after talking to the mechanics that have worked for asia they both said this is from the right side of the aircraft and the slide looks like it is from the right side of the aircraft as well and the bottle that we saw is what inflates it. so that is all attached to some seats just inside the exit door. >> david sousy, richard quest, thank you very much and dan duke. a-320 pilot. great to have you on. "outfront" next the search

for flightthe flight and we'll have an update from the fleet. and another bad day in the philippines and another problem with the same plane, with one of the heavily marketed planes in the world.

and welcome back. we're continuing to follow breaking news of the extensive search underway for airasia flight 8501. the search is under way to find more debris and bodies. it is an international effort consisting of divers shift and aircraft and including a u.s. destroyer. here is what we know. wreckage from the plane was spotted between 62 and 124 miles from the last known location in the air on sunday morning. this information remains fluid as we learn more about exactly what happened in the air. search teams are focusing on a debris field in the cara matta strait located in the java sea off the coast of indonesia. the water there to average between 80-100 feet. and it is however monsoon

season. heavy seas making for yet another challenge to search and recovery efforts. search teams are equipped with tools to find plane wreckage and the remains of some 162 passengers and crew that were on board. i want to bring in captain christopher buddy, department chief of staff for the u.s. navy navy's seventh fleet whose uss sampson is at work and he is on the phone. thank you for joining us captain. i understand that there has been sighted some debris. >> good morning. sampson joined the search yesterday and using her imbartell captors began to search the area from the coordination center and late yesterday afternoon was one of the aircraft that was spotting the initial debris fields that were found in the area.

>> and i understand that the u.s. is rendering more forces perhaps the p-8 poseidon and no request for the extra assets to take part in the search? >> no requests yet. we tend to try to prepare as much as possible and then wait to see what the country coordinating the effort needs to have added to the overall effort. in this case the indonesians have organized a very good response. the neighboring nations, singapore, malaysia have all chipped in some significant assets. so there was not a bigger request for u.s. support. >> what special capability does the u.s. bring to bear here in light of the difficult tasks that are coming forward?

of course the debris and the delicate task of rescuing bodies and that key of under water search. what special capability does the u.s. have? >> we're one of the navies that operated side scan sonar systems that can be deployed from ships or small boats an search a fairly small area. we're talking tens of square miles instead of hundreds of square miles. but the ability to find wreckage on the ocean floor, it is a fairly advanced system and also available commercially. so if the indonesians request that assistance we have it available. they may actually use commercial systems available locally though. >> well it is going it be the important part of the search as we go forward, finding not just the main debris field on the ocean floor but also the crucial black boxes. thanks very much to captain

budde with the u.s. navy seventh fleet. to discuss the rescue efforts, david gallo is the director of special projects at the woods haul oceano graphic institution and alan kipping, training for rescue swimmers for the u.s. navy who might be called into service here. david, if i could begin with you. your group was responsible for the difficult task of locating air france 447 and much more difficult than what we are seeing now. so even though however, they are searching a relatively shallow area here this debris field looks like it could be disbursed over a large part of the area for mapping. can you help manage expectations of how quickly this can progress progress? >> sure. i think we're early in the game for the debris field. i'm a little bit mystified that it seems so small and that there are few bodies and a few pieces

of the aircraft. without having other bits of debris trailing off into the distance -- and air france, it was five days after the tragedy that the first debris was located it. was thousands of miles away from land so it is understandable. but they are picking up debris for probably two weeks after that in a huge field that was tens of miles on either side. so i know here the waves are not quite as ferocious. maybe the winds not quite as strong. but currents can move things around and it is day three. so we'll see what they find out today as they start focusing on this particular area with aircraft. >> allen, this clearly is not just an investigation scene but also sadly the families are very well aware, it is a graveyard. you have trained delivered to take on this very -- divers to take on this difficult task. how difficult is it for divers to go under water, not only are they pulling up wreckage they

are pulling up children mothers and fathers. how tough is that? >> it is super tough. some of the guys have families and they are picking up mothers and children and there was an infant on board and males on board as well. so it wretches your heart but at the same time you want to take careful in terms of dealing with the bodies because bringing the bodyies back in tact to give autopsies to figure out what else happened. but it is super tough dealing with seeing kids and children. >> no question. 18 children on board this plane. >> exactly. >> david, one concern, i know, out there is about interference as you begin to listen for, using a hydrophone for the pingers from the black boxes. you have a number of things a limited range, 1-2 miles so a large search area and there is worry about the batters, 30-day life span and also interference. you have a lot of ships and boats in the area. how difficult does that make the

search even as you begin to refine the search area? >> very much more jim. i mean we have some of the elements. you have the right kinds of technology showing up and the right kinds of teams showing up. but the next thing that has to happen has to be a solid plan where all of this stuff is coordinated. and part of the coordination is when you are listening with listening devices, hydrophones, under water microphones, you need quiet. and if there is shipping in the distance and ships making noise, it will make the job tougher. especially since the water is shallow in places and you mart start hearing noise from the surface itself. so those kinds of things have to be worked into the third thing, the operational plan to make this come together. >> allen, this is special not just an emotional difficult task for the drivers but it is also danger. you have ten-foot waves and strong winds, currents under water. how do these conditions impact the search efforts, but also how much danger will the divers be

in these conditions? >> so the conditions above sometimes may not reciprocate under water but sometimes they might. and while i'm not completely familiar with the area that they are actually diving in you need boats, a dive master and captains that are competent operating the ships an the boats. but if the boats can't go out you can't send divers down. it is dangerous for the divers and the people on the boat. so it is difficult to find that on the sonar, thank you to have you on board. david gallo, great to have you on the air as well. "outfront" next days after the crash, another accident for an air asia flight in bad weather. and new evidence that the sony cyber attack may have been pulled off by a company insider. were government investigators wrong about north korea?

welcome back. i'm jim sciutto in new york. there was another flight scare involving an airasia aircraft and an airbus 320. this time flown by their partner airasia west. traveling from manila and carrying 139 passengers and crew members, skidded and overshot the runaway at calibbo in the

central philippines. you can see here the emergency slides were deployed and a passenger telling nbc news, it was an uneventful flight until the turbulence nearing descend. fortunately nobody was hurt. at the time the region was being slammed by a tropical storm bringing flash floods and killing on the ground more than 30 people. cnn aviation analyst miles o'brien is outfront. so not only the pilots were dealing with bad weather, but tell us about the airport and the conditions there when the other accident happened? >> well without getting too deep into aviation jim, this particular approach is called a nonprecision approach meaning it is not the precise tunnel in the sky that the instrument landing system is. and as a result they had to fly and step themselves down through the clouds in sort of a steep fashion. so they were up against a steeper approach already, just

by the design of the approach to this particular runway. couple that with the fact we've been talking about the horrible weather in that region right now. it is the monsoon season. perhaps a contribute ago factor in the airasia flight in the java sea. so the flights could have broken out of the clouds too far down the runway and should have executed a go-around or missed approach and tried again but in this case they overran. >> i don't want to equate the two, because this is not a crash but in the military called a hard landing. but this incident happening so soon after airasia 8501 similar air conditions two and three days apart, and is this a sign of a company having safety issues. because until this point it had no safety issues. >> it would be a coincidence but

put it in a broader concept. we are talking about a great increase the largest airline in the globe surpassing the u.s. and europe and it is growing rapidly. they have a hard time getting enough qualified pilots into cockpits as the demand increases and couple that with the fact there is tremendous pressure to drive down the ticket prices. this particular airline, airasia, according to what i've been able to dig out, the cheapest airline as far as cost per seat mile in the world. so this is as low a cost an airline as there is. they operate at a high productivity levels short turn-arounds and long days for the crews, and it is reasonable for passengers to ask and government entities alike, are they cutting corners on safety or maintenance and training the crews to handle situations like

this. >> and fair to mention that before 8501 this airline did have a clean safety record for a number of years. but these are questions that will be asked going forward. miles o'brien, great to have you on. "outfront" next the u.s. was quick to blame north korea for the sony hack attack. and now one krieb security company said -- cyber security company said it could have been an inside job. is it possible that the fbi got it wrong? plus the president's golf party plays through one company's wedding in paradise. ahead the golfer in chief phones in his apology. when heartburn comes creeping up on you... fight back with relief so smooth... ...it's fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue ...and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum, tum tum tum...♪ smoothies! only from tums. she inspires you. no question about that. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right.

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a u.s. cyber security firm said that a laidoff sony

employee >> a u.s. security firm said a laidoff sony employee and not north korea is responsible for the hack. scientists met with fbi officials and shared their findings. the administration still points the finger firmly however, at kim jong-un. the national security council telling me quote, the administration stands by the fbi assessment. joining me now is stan berger senior vice president of norris. thank you for joining us. i wonder if you could explain, first to our viewers, how you came to this conclusion the assets you have here 60 million sensors. or 6 million, rather, in 50 countries. how did you come to this conclusion? >> right, norris is a company that focuses on threat and attack intelligence. exclusively. we have a worldwide network of sensors that track attacks live around the globe. and we have a staff of about a hundred and about 9 of those people are focused exclusively

on intelligence analysis and counterintelligence analysis. >> we're looking in fact at the demonstration of that. that's quite a big network. remember we're matching this up against the resources that went behind the u.s. investigation here. that includes the u.s. intelligence community. the nsa. we know its resources, the department of homeland security. america's foreign intelligence partners. those are some pretty tremendous resources as well. and i will tell you this. it's the fbi's view that norris focused in the words of the fbi on one narrow part of the attack and interpreted that incorrectly. how do you respond to that? >> well that's actually an interesting interpretation. how they haven't received our data transmission yet. we briefed them yesterday but the data packet which is very large is being prepared today and hasn't been sent to them yet. so they haven't actually had a

chance to look at the raw data yet. >> but you did sit down with them we understand presented your case to the fbi and after that presentation the fbi saying and i've spoken to the white house as well saying they're still very comfortable with the conclusion they made about north korea. i would say we remain very comfortable with the conclusions we're drawing as well. remember we're not alone in the threat intelligence community. the scientific academic and technical community that forms the outside the government expertise on threat and attack intelligence is itself excite large. capable doing thorough investigations on its own. we're not pausing or saying the fbi is necessarily wrong in these assertions. what we're saying is that.

they work with different types of sensors and lin gisics expertise, none of them have been able to come up with data that corroborates this narrative that north korea directed masterminded or funded this attack. >> it is we understand attribution in these kind of investigations. >> yeah absolutely. >> kurt stanberger thank you so much for joining us and giving us your case why it may not have been north korea. out front next executive action in order when the president's back fine was interrupted by one couple's very big day. that's right after this. ♪ push it. ♪ ♪ p...push it real good! ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ow! ♪ ♪ oooh baby baby...baby baby. ♪ if you're salt-n-pepa, you tell people to push it. ♪ push it real good. ♪ it's what you do. ♪ ah. push it. ♪ if you want to save fifteen percent

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captain's natalie highmull after engaged for a year and a half, their wedding planned on the 16th hole of the golf course of the marine corps base in highway. one small problem. a presidential golf game scheduled for the exact same time. but after learning he had forced a last minute change of wedding plans, the commander in chief called his troops and apologized. and the couple had a special request. >> thank you very much and you're more than welcome to come to our reception at the officer's club. >> you know i've already messed

something up. you don't want me there. everybody would have to be magged. >> while the president said he shot 84, if he shot the 16th hole would have been shot 89. see you tomorrow. "ac360" starts right now. good evening, thank you for joinings. new developments tonight in the crash of flight 8501. a growing recovery operation. there was some concern growing into the days or weeks or months going by before the wreckage found or in the case of malaysia flight 370, simply remain a mystery. the mystery ended and hard work began. with every flight over the debris field today, more pieces of wreckage were spotted. each a potential clue about what happened to flight 8501. life vests, luggage, airplane