you too. >> hello everyone. the noon -- no the 11:00 eastern hour. news room begins right now. hello again. happening right now in the news room four large pieces of debris found believed to be from the airasia plane. and now questions about why flight 8501 was flying an unauthorized route. and also new york police commissioner bratton tells his finest show respect at funeral of the fallen officer wenjian liu and don't turn your backs to the mayor. plus: >> it is just really a miracle. >> i went to the door and a little girl about seven years old, crying. not bad. lip was quivering pretty good. >> a seven-year-old girl is the only survivor of a horrifying

plane crash. how she walked nearly a mile to get help. the news room starts right now. hello everyone i'm fredericka whitfield. four large objects that could belong to airasia flight 8501 have been found in the java sea. searchers detected the objects under water after finding on oil stick. one item is almost 60 feet long but bad weather caused problems once again and crews were not able to rescue anymore bodies. a u.s. ship the u.s.s. fort worth arrived in the this area today. two more victims were identified on saturday. a 44-year-old woman and a 23-year-old women. that means six bodies have now been identified and as more are pulled out of the water the process of putting names to

victims gets even harder. david malco is live in surbaya monitor theing the efforts. four large objects found today. does that mean crews are getting closer to the main portions of the wreckage. >> reporter: that is certainly what they are hoping here. an important clarification about the four large objects. they have been found but not recovered. the reason for that conditions in the search zone are just too difficult. waves up to 16 feet. initially the search and rescue chief when they started finding these, they basically found them over the last 24 hours. so they wanted to put an underwater robot, what is called a remote operated vehicle in the water to dive down about 150 feet to take a closer look. they weren't able to do that. but the search and rescue chief said this evening is that tomorrow the weather is expected

to be much better. smaller wave better conditions and hopefully better visibility and they hope to take a closer look at the objects on the sea floor. they are relatively close together. the largest is 60 feet in length. just for context the length of an air bus a 320, approximately 120 feet. the wingspan also. >> to epius understandhelp us understand the issue and the skprepsdiscrepancies about the route. help us understand why there are certain days designated to this flight plan and what possibly could have happened here. >> reporter: it has to do with the license from airasia to fly certain routes. it has to do with regulation and government permissions and all that. to make it simple they had permission to fly between surbaya and singapore but not on

sunday specifically. so they are able to operate these flights but four other days on the week not on sunday. they are calling this a serious violation and launched an investigation into how this came about. and not only looking at this route but all of airasia's routes and other indonesian airlines as well. trying to get in touch with the head of airasia. he hasn't returned phone calls. he did a local police station they are cooperating with the investigation. we're told that investigation will take about a week's time before it gets some conclusion. the results of that up in the air. but penalties could range from suspending airasia on that route altogether to things that we may not know about. we'll just have to wait and see. >> david, thanks so much from surbaya. all right let's talk more now about that route with our aviation experts. aviation analyst and pilot les

albend. and alistair rosenshine on the phone. alistair you first. what do you make of this that there was improper permission of flying this route for that day. >> i think it is a peripheral issue at this point. the fact they were in violation of this particular marketing agreement is not indicative of what caused the -- you know, the accident the crash, necessarily. they were cleared appropriately by air traffic control to fly the specific routing between way points. air traffic control made room for them. the only small minute effect that this would have is that apparently this singapore and a slot controlled airport. so did airasia violate that particular part of the marketing agreement and add a little more cloudedness to the skies but not being clear to a specific

altitude that we've been talking about for the last few days? i find that it is a fairly minimal cause. i think this is a separate issue and not anything do with the accident. >> so alistair does this speak to the confusion on that day? a stormy day aflight. >> reporter: very surprised if this aircraft was operating without a flight plan which would be i don't know the implication here. in which case it couldn't have been in controlled air space. so i'm sure it had a flight plan and would have been expected there and routed in conjunction with other aircraft. there may of course be insurance implications to being in breech of their air operators license but that is not something which i can comment on further. except that, you know it might have an impact down the road to

airasia operating from that base. it is an affiliate of the malaysia airlines of course so this is a company with fairly vast assets. so that may be looked into in the coming days. but it would not in my been had any impact on whether the aircraft has an accident. >> both of you are in concert on this having anything to do with what took this plane down and why. so i wonder les if you could help us understand better the request for the pilot to ascend and not getting that kind of approval but doing that anyway. at some point is it just going to be at the discretion of a pilot when they are in danger whether it's weather-related or whether there is a mechanical problem this that they are going to make judgment calles on the fly? and that would be reasonable wouldn't it? >> it's the great question.

but honest think this is going to an altitude on your own volition without a clearance is pretty very boatn't unless you have an emergency situation. and if you really need that in an emergency you are going to declare that emergency. and it is very unusual for a pilot, especially a captain with 20,000 hours to request a higher altitude to avoid thunderstorms. that is kind of a last resort ditch effort. we tend to want to go left or right of course. so there is a lot of factors to me that indicate there was something more going on. and besides the fact that we've not sure we really verified the information air traffic control has as far as how high that airplane did actually climb. >> let's shift gears a little bit. alistair. i wonder if i can ask you about the four new objects that have been located. they have not been restrooefd. we understand one object is

almost 60 feet long. what kind of indication would come from the examination of these pieces that they are large pieces if indeed they are large pieces, what might that be able to tell investigators about the impact that this plane had, the cause of it going down? >> the fact that it is in pieces is relevant. because that would indicate high impact with the sea. with an incredibly high impact the aircraft is likely to fragment into many small pieces. but it doesn't mean that you can't have, you know one or two pieces that are potentially 60 feet long. that is effectively -- it is a single wing that goes from one tip to the other. but that would be the length from one wing tip to the fuselage of the aircraft or it could be a section of fuselage. but it seems to me that this aircraft had impacted the sea at reasonable energy to break it up

in that way. >> all right. les and alistair. thank you so much. we'll check back with you all later on as we receive more details about the ongoing investigation of flight 8501. and don't forget if you have questions about this crash, ask them apt #8501qs, and we'll get those questions answered for you later on this hour. meanwhile, u.s. embassy in jakarta issuing a the security alert against u.s. interests in jakarta. >> reporter: we're starting to get more information from the state department. but very first let me read to you the security alert that we got from the u.s. embassy in ja tar kah that. a potential threat against u.s. associated hotels and banks in surbaya indonesia. the u.s. recommends heightened awareness when visiting such

facilities. we junction mentioned a official who tells i whenever the u.s. governments receives credible specific non -- information they have a obligation to share the information. and they have no knowledge of any direct connection to the airasia flight what. we have not heard yet is how serious this threat is. he don't know where it's coming from or what the specific threat is fred. >> and what about people being discouraged from traveling to that region? is the u.s. state department going as far as doing that? >> they are not discouraging travel to the region or within the region. as you know there is a large contingent of american media there covering the airasia flight. what they are saying is to enroll in state department programs to get automatic warnings when any new warnings arise and as for a little extra context, as recently as october

2014 there were security alerts for u.s. citizens in the region due to some al qaeda linked groups in the region. although we have learned that the indonesian government has had success in cracking down on those threats. >> erin mcpike at the white house. thanks so much. how do you find evidence from an airliner crash when it is underwater. we'll show you the dangers involved. >> from the outside this blue box looks like a port potty but inside it is a device that could be saving lives of the divers in the java seas. >> and if you have questions, questions, # questions, #8501 qs. our experts will answer ear your blocked nose and relieve your other allergy symptoms... so you can breathe easier all day. zyrtec-d®. find it at the pharmacy counter.

. 15 foot waves hampering the search for flight 8501. these are pretty nasty conditions. when they say conditions are not right for the search this is a exactly what they are talking about. but tomorrow apparently there is a window of opportunity? >> yes. it looks like from our correspondents all week long that have talked about the retched conditions there is a chance for a break. later today showers to the north and south. even in the search area look for some squalls. this is monsoon season. they are in the it zee, the

intertropical convergence zone. meaning we're going to see these squally conditions for the next few months. heavy amounts of rainfall and enormous thunderstorm clusters. sunday into monday it is not going to be perfectly clear. you will hardly get that during this time of year. but look at this. by monday where they are serge ing searching, if they already haven't made progress they will see more sunshine so they can see further down in the water. it is only about 100 feet deep. the sunshine waves that are calmer and this is the best we can hope for. >> monsoon son. >> and let's hope they are able to accomplish a not in that very narrow window of opportunity. the search and recovery will cost millions of dollars as well. a difficult process made even

worse by the rough seas can the weather. and cnn's expert talked to a diver about the strains of underwater searches. >> reporter: the search and recovery effort for air asia flight 8501 may be going on some 11,000 miles from here but we spoke with one commercial diver who knows exactly what the process is like. >> the number of crews helping to search for the flight continues to grow. and if anyone knows the job ahead it is gino. >> it's a very somber situation. >> he is an experienced commercial diver who says he's helped after recent catastrophe catastrophes even the japan tsunami and the haiti earthquake. parts of the maneplane have been recovered but with dozens of waves as high as 13 feet have

hampered search efforts. >> one thing is you don't want to cause any further loss of life. so. >> the plane is believed to be the in water about 150 feet deep. divers need to use special gear. >> a dry suit is sealed at the wrists and a seal that zippers close and closes at the neck. so no water gets in there. and you have a helmet. this is a super light. >> but it's incredibly heavy. >> 37 pounds. >> divers also hooked up to the command center like this one. >> these instruments tell us what the depths of divers are at. and this is the pressure of the air going through them. the main air, stand by emergency, diver one, two and three which is your safety diver. >> he says the divers will probably be under water up to 80 minutes at a time after which

they end up inside a decompression chamber to recover. >> you can get down there. and this thing will have jagged edges and the torn fuselage. a lot of things for a diver to get snagged on. to get caught uppen. it is not going to look like a textbook situation. >> and then the emotional component. >> you know there are going to be bodies down there. >> there is nothing worse than bumping into a bloated dead body in the water. >> geno is still haunted by the victims he's bumped into the water. >> the way you get past is say i'm helping somebody. i'm putting this to rest. >> he says it could take weeks maybe even months to finish the job in the java sea. >> thanks so much. also still ahead. >> i went to the door and there was a little girl about seven years old, crying not bad.

lips was quivering pretty good. and she's pretty bloody. had a bloody nose and her arms and legs were scratched up real bad. and she told me that her ma'am and dad was dead. >> amazing. that seven-year-old little girl miraculously surviving a plane crash in kentucky. the rest of her amazing story next.

checking other top stories. according to a 911 tape the police chief of a city near atlanta said he accidentally shot his wife while sleeping in the bed. >> it's the chief of police. the gun is on the dresser. >> you are the chief of police in peach tree city. >> yeah unfortunately yes. >> you said it was an accident. >> yes. >> she was shot twice accidentally. >> who shot her. >> me. >> how did you shoot her? >> i was -- the gun was in the bed. i went to move it to put it to the side and it went off. and i got the door open for her. >> what is your name sir? >> oh my gosh. how the held did this happen -- william mccullem.

>> his wife is in the hospital in serious condition. and. and a man accused of being an al qaeda operative has died in the hospital. his family said he had suffered health problems. he was captured in libya in 2013 and brought to the u.s. accused of being involved in the 1998 bombings of the u.s. embassies in kenya and tanzania. he pleaded not guilty was and was awaiting trial. and the u.s. is mourning the country hall of famer jimmy dickens. ♪ dickens died of a heart attack friday in nashville. known nirz colorful rhinestone jackets like that one and

dep downing humor. and this incredible story out of kentucky today. a seven-year-old girl is the lone survivor of a plane crash that killed her parent sister and cousin. also amazing that same girl who survived walked nearly a mile for help. nick valencia with the rest of the story. >> reporter: at home in kentucky larry wilkins finished watching the local news when his dog started barking. >> i went to the door there was a little girl about seven years old, crying. not bad. lips with your quivering pretty good. and bloody nose and arms and legs scratched up really bad and she told me her mom and dad was said. >> the seven-year-old is the only survivor from a friday night plane crash. her mom, dad, sister and cousin dead after their plane crashed

in the wuds woods of western kentucky. the fact the little girl survived is all the more incredible when considering what she had to to to do get help. >> she walked three quarters of a mile through very rough territory and she was barefooted. one sock on her foot and dress forward florida, wearing shorts and the like. just blouse. no coat. >> wilkins said the seven-year-old likely spotted a light on at his house and made her way towards it. a kentucky state police officer who also helped the little girl seemed to speak for most when he said. >> it's just really a miracle. >> if you could see the terrain you would realize how incredible it really was. she a terribly brave little girl. ky tell you that. >> grave indeed. amazing this seven-year-old would have the wherewithal.

darkness crash and then walking for help. >> according to investigators she was released this morning. she had non life threatening injures. i spoke to larry earlier today and when he saw her she was banged up. another heartbreaking part of the story she asked him to goth the hospital with her but because he is not a family member he couldn't go. he's calling her the bravest person he's ever met. >> amazing source of inspiration. thanks nick and of course we wish her -- >> a good recovery. >> yeah and over family members the best. thanks so much. overseas. waves as high as 15 feet. monsoon conditions. in a few minutes i'll talk with a salvage expert about how airasia are coverry teams work in this weather.

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thanks for joining me and i'm fred ree kah whitfield. we're following flight 8501. four large objects found in the search air today usinge inging sonar. one almost 60 feet long. another 40 feet long. finding the object after they saw an oil slick. but high waves and strong currents are keeping divers out of the water until tomorrow. two more victims have been identified in addition to the father already named. so far 30 bodies have been recovered in all. and search crews will help from the u.s.s. fort worth that arrived in the area today. while the water is not particularly deep the storms in the area have created dangerous searching conditions. captain john noble joins us. oceanographer and marine salvage

expert and knows what it takes to recover wreckage in conditions like this. how really debilitating this kind of weather is for the search efforts. >> good morning, yes i'm afraid the weather will be the controlling factor. i've checked the weather forecast. there is a lot of rain around at the moment. and indeed there is a lot of bad weather in the area. not helped by the rough seas that you mentioned. and the conditions are as you say 15 feet waves. that may not sound a lot. but when you are trying to get divers in the water, it just makes it virtually impossible. so everything is governed by the weather. it does appear that they have now found the debris field for the aircraft. so one has to hope that having

found it they will get down there and go on with recovering the victims and indeed looking for the flight data recorders. commonly known as the black boxes. but this will depend on the weather. the paramount factor in all this is the safety of those divers that are going down to the seabed. it's just mentioned there was enough life lost already and we do not need anymore. >> so safety is paramount. but given the weather conditions too, we understand these four large objects pay have been spotted by sonar because of the nearby ships. but tell me captain, about your concerns with the weather. we don't know whether those items are at the surface, they are somewhere midway between the depths of surface and that sea or if they are at the bottom. does it concern you at all this kind of weather will shift/move those items spotted today and

that perhaps tomorrow if weather breaks they may not be able to relocate those items? >> i would have thought that all the debris would be on the seabed. the site scan sonar they are using will see that. if there is any floating debris then yes it will move with the currents but having found them initially they know what the currents are and they can calculate where it is more likely to have gone if it is still partially buoyant. but my own feeling is that most of the aircraft will now be on the seabed. >> and that the u.s.a. fort worth has joined now other sea vessels in the air. the u.s.s. sampson also in the area. how would they be able to search in this? >> they will be equipped with fairly sophisticated underwater

detection equipment. and that will at least will able to scan the seabed and confirm the presence of the pieces of debris debris combine that with any remote operational vehicles whose operational capability is very much less of course they should be able to follow detect and recover the aircraft pieces. >> and now the issue of the block black boxes, just over 20 days of battery life believed to be in the boxes, in the pingers. does it concern you that doesn't seem like much time when searching for parts of a plane under water. or is it helpful because we're talking about the shallower depths than, say, the malaysia flight that went missing last year. >> when we're talking about shallow depths, therefore there should not be any constraintes on the signals.

the rage is limited. the location however is in the tail part of the plane. and one would hope that the tail part has remained relatively in tact. if that is so then they will find the black boxes without need to report to the pings. but hopefully a combination of both will allow them to get the black boxes back fairly rapt rapidly. >> thank you so much. stick around. we have a lot of questions that have come in from our viewers and we want to pose some of those questions to ourto you. and even though more bodies and wreckage have been recovered there are so many questions that remain. your questions have been coming in via #8501 qs and captain mobile will answer some of those questions after this

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. more now on the questions that you have sent now. joining me now, captain, let me begin with this question saying quote "where the closest land areas searched to see if anyone may have made to it shore? >> it's quite simple. in the sense that there may well have been bits of the aircraft fuselage landed in an area nearer to land. so i would imagine that local fisherman would most certainly have been in the area and had anyone survived, i would feel that they would have been found by now. i know it is a very sad things

to say. but yes, they would have been on the lookout. but it is now a little bit too late i fear. >> yeah. and then les, this is a question that has been asked a lot. what happens if they don't locate the data recorder in time? >> i don't know if it's a question of in time. i think the data recorders will be located, period. whether they locate it by virtue of finding the pingers and locating it that way or the wreckage itself. so i don't think it is an issue. we're dealing with much shallower water than with malaysia flight 370. and worse case scenario even if they did not find those data and the black boxes there are still ways to piece together almost literally what happened with the airplane just by virtue of analyzing the wreckage itself. >> okay. and then captain, could the body

of the flight attendant and emergency door choout etc. mean possibly she opened had door during ditching attempt? no coincidence? >> it is difficult to say because we haven't seen the evidence close too. it is possible. nothing is impossible. but i suspect the investigations will look at that once they got as much of the plane back as they can. because then they can look at the fuselage as a whole. but we really cannot speculate on that action i don't think. >> and les, if they can track the planes in live time why don't say send data into the cloud for easier retrieval? >> that is a very good question. >> it is a good question. it is probably an issue with band width. the security of that

information, so on and so forth. a little bit beyond my technological pilot brain. but that would probably be my first impression. >> and then captain, since you had some thoughts on that, what would you be your response? >> well it seems to me as a mariner very surprising that aircraft do not carry equipment that identifies their location. all ships over a certain tonnage do have to have this. and they cannot hide. so i think this is an issue for nuch future discussion and possibly action. >> captain john noble, and les aben thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and thanks for your questions as well. we'll be right back.

checking our top stories, a private wake is being held for nypd detective wenjian liu. one of two police officers ambushed and gunned down two weeks ago in their squad car in brooklyn. his partner rafael ramos was laid to rest last week. it was during his service that some police officers turned their backs on the mayor bill de blasio. a silent frustration with the mayor. commissioner bratton issued a mm asking officers to show respect at liu's funeral writing i i understand that emotions are high and i issue no mandates but i remind you are bound by the tradition hob honor and decency that go with the uniform. and a ship with no crew and

hundreds tofr ss of ref yeeugee is safely at port. italian officials worry they are seeing a new trend in which smugglers abandon shift once they get into the save and rescue waters off italy's coast. >> and john hinckley will not face charges in brady's death. hinckley was found not guilty in the 1982 trial by reason of insanity. and just in time for the trip hope after the holidays. the first major storm of 2015 will hit tomorrow stretching from chicago to boston. kara mcginniss is live for us. >> stay with us. i think you will find this

really interesting. in chicago i look back over the last few months about november 18th. the temperature there maxed out at 19. all right that is pretty cold. and the end of december the temperature in chicago was 18 degrees. it is going to be about 36 degrees this afternoon. into tomorrow it is going ab little cooler. temperatures around freezing. but look at kansas city this is going to be the coldest arctic/polar outbreak of air that we have seen in a long time. at least since last winter. and then the high temperatures of chicago for monday is excepted to be around 11 degrees. everybody is going to be sharply colder all the way from the great lakes into the deep south, into the northeast in new england, the central plains. we are going to see dangerously cold temperatures. we are going to see extreme windchill factors. 20 to 25 degrees windchill factor across the upper great lakes, the northern tier states and a very complex weather

system just kind of pushing off towards the east. temperatures will be fairly mild for places like atlanta and charlotte. that is in the warm sector of the system where we've seen pretty heavy rainfall already in re seeing some of that rain transition to some ice. especially for the upper great lakes region. but move on towards pittsburgh. and they're seeing dozens of crashes there. also west virginia. it's been so icy. but look at what happened yesterday, in ashland, new hampshire. there there were 36 cars on interstate 93. there was a semi. and the ice, and the snow and reduced visibility on the roads made this crash happen. 12 people were transported. one is still in serious condition. and they were saying that the snow burst happened just out of

the blue reduced visibility and people were slamming on their brakes. lubbock, texas, this is west texas. take a look at what happened here in the last 12 to 24 hours. snow was coming down. snow. more snow. things were covered in ice. there were downed trees and downed power lines. there was a lot of damage to trees in the area. very dangerous conditions fred. and this is what you have to look forward to as you travel home. >> oh my goodness. well folks are going to have to take it easy go slow right? >> right. >> or stay put. it's just too treacherous out there. karen maginnis. happy new year. >> happy new year. the united states is hitting north korea with new strict economic sanctions. happy new year to them huh? it's in the alleged role in the cybersony attack. jordan chang joins us from forbes.com. and the book "nuclear showdown: north korea takes on the world."

even if the sanctions are aimed at the north korean government aren't the people continuing to pay the price? >> i don't think so. largely because these sanctions are indeed aimed at those three organizations, one of them involved in the hacking. two others involved in the sales of ballistic missiles and technology. and those are out of north korea. this will not affect the north korean people. it will affect the regime. though i think it's not going to have much of an effect because they were designed not to be effective to be sharp across the bow. >> so how deeply will it affect the regime? >> well the only way it will really affect the regime is to cut off the money flow. and we know how to do that. we did that in 2005 when the bush administration went after the north korea regime. and was actually quite effective. north korean diplomats were

actually carrying cash around in suit cases because the regime couldn't use the global cash system. we intentionally decided not to do that this time. the white house does not want to trigger a reaction from the north koreans. in their calculations mild sanctions will be effective enough to do this. >> president of the united states still refusing to call the sony cyberattack an act of war. and at the same time north korea digging in its heels saying we're not responsible. and then there are some conversations that are being generated and continue to go in circles. as to whether it was a sony insider that is responsible for this cyberattack. so what kind of leverage if any, does north korea have in that conversation? >> well north korea has leverage because it can retaliate and it probably will. it's almost certainly going to retaliate against south korea if seoul allows the activists to

put dvds "the interview," the film in question. so that north korean citizens can pick them up. and probably there will be more actions against sony and perhaps the united states itself. just because a sony insider was involved in this hacking which i believe is true doesn't mean north korea wasn't also involved. because there is some evidence of coordination among the sony hacker hacking groups like lizard squad and guardians of peace. as well as the north korean state. and of course the chinese state as well which hosted the north korean cyberwarriors. >> gordon chang. appreciate your time. happy new year. >> happy new year. thank you very much. still ahead -- crew finding more debris from flight 8501 and locating more means scouring the ocean floor and that is a daunting task. we'll take a look at the major challenges next.

a search for flight 8501 covering a 2,000-mile stretch of the java sea. but that effort will ultimately lead to the ocean floor. scouring depth is a very taunting task. cnn looks at that.

>> the search area has been 45 files to 45 miles. and the water here is considerable more shallow than others in the past. that should make it easier. this is where they're searching now, 80 to 100 feet under the water. compare this to the world's tallest building here. we took it upside down from the surface. that's the tallest tower. there's the statue of liberty. the eiffel tower. lisa taina, they were able to leekt locate that. but then you go much much deeper where there's no light at all, the "titanic" at 12,500 feet would be way down here. if you go to the air france crash over the atlantic, they found wreckage on the surface in five days that took two years to locate the bulk of the wreckage way down here.

of course when we talk about malaysia air, they're looking down here around 16,000 feet among canyons and mountains and complete darkness. and very severe cold. so by comparison much easier what they're trying to do right now. but because of the weather and the always-present uncertainty under water, easier doesn't mean easy. >> tom foreman, thanks so much. of course we have much more straight ahead in "cnn newsroom," and it all starts right now. all right. hello again, everyone. i'm fredricka whitfield. it's noon eastern hour. you're watching "cnn newsroom." four large objects that could belong to airasia flight 8501 have been found in the java sea. searchers detected a metal object one object is almost 65 feet long.

the bad weather posed another problem once again. and crews have not been able to recover any more bodies. so far, 30 bodies have been conferred. a u.s. ship is part of the recovery efforts. the "u.s.s. ft. worth" is there. david molko, with the objects found, unable to retrieve it. what's the hope for later on when the search resumes? >> reporter: yeah fredricka, when the sun comes up here in a few hour sunday morning, we're hearing weather conditions are going to improve significantly, at least for 24 hours. that means you're going to see waves in the range of seven feet instead of 17 feet. having less of a choppy sea means they're going to get potentially divers and an underwater robot. what you want to do is take a look at the objects. at least a couple of them the search and rescue team have said they're able to use a