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remains on hold for now. earlier today searchers recovered four bodies from the murky waters of the java sea. that brings the total number of victims found so far to 34. cnn's david joins us where the plane took off a week ago. fridayed shlgts a tiny break, but not the break they were hoping for. divers were sent into the water to try to get a closer look at those four objects. the search teams had found. one of them was about the same length as a wing of an a320. they're thinking it could potentially be the wreckage. once they got in the water zero visibility. it was like hunting for something in the dark. >> good news fred is the weather is supposed to improve
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drastically over the next couple of days. maybe give search teams, you know that break they've been hoping for. >> icing may be and they are contributing to the accident. what more are you hearing about that. >> officials that with a grain of salt even though it's from the weather agency. the report basically that the cloud conditions. >> the weather agency came out and said look we can't even say weather was a definitive cause or component of what caused this crash. certainly, it's one piece of the investigation, one thing that will -- investigators will continue to look at along with things like debris the
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condition of human remains, and the condition of the wreckage if and when they find it. fred. >> and then what is this about compensation already being offered to some of the family members? >> yeah fred. that's right. it's not the big insurance pay-out that will come later. >> thaemz that have come to the crisis center that are waiting for news of their loved ones. they can't hurt. they're having to pay for hotel transportation all those things. he said he got a knock on his door. the air yaz official saying can you sign this he was a little confused by the language and the paperwork thinking if he signed it, it meant he was accepting his family was never coming back. air yaz says that's not the case and for some it's hard to
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separate the two. right now the mayor is trying to work something out, and represent the families kind of tweak the language so they're a little bit more comfortable. the bottom line though, fred is you know more than 150 families still don't have answers, and for some of them talking about compensation it's just too soon. >> yeah. it's too sad. all right. thank you so much david. appreciate it. >> coming up in the next half hour we are answering your questions about the plane and the search. send them to us at _#8501qs. all right. let's now tourn it the other big story we're following. thousands of officers and others gathering in new york city to pay their respects to explain officer wenjian liu. the pain of losing officer liu is felt around the nation, but for his widow, that sorrow was profound. earlier she talked about what she lost and what the world lost when her husband and rafael ramos was also ambushed and
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killed last month. let's turn now to our sarah ganam. she's in the midst of brooklyn at 65th and 13th avenue. what have you been viewing this morning? >> good afternoon, fred. yeah i'm along those in the process eggs route. we're at tens of thousands of police officers and community members gathered to watch the ceremony and funeral -- especially wenjian liu's wife. she talked about how her husband was her hero. we heard from his younger cousin who talked about how they look up to him, but also she gave us insight to him as a person and told us that they actually called him joe. they called him joe liu. we also heard from members of the community, a commissioner william bratton, commissioner cal ease and also the mayor bill de blasio who talked about how wenjian liu's family was --
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the risk that had he to undertake every day once he went to work but he had the calling to be a part of the nypd, and so every day when he would come home from work he would cull call on his father to let his father know that he was home from his shift and that he was safe. i mention that mayor bill de blasio spoke, and there was some concern that some officers might, again, turn their backs to the mayor when he spoke because of some of the ongoing tensions. there was concern that last week that officer ramos's funeral, that took away from the narrative of celebrating an officer's life and mourning his life and laying him to rest and so this week police commissioner william bratton a very small
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fraction of them still did turn their back on the mayor to show that they do support the nypd and they were want supportive of the mayor's excellents. there was not a majority. it was not even half. it was a very small number who made that determination to turn their backs. as far as i could see from where i was standing. something else i noticed was that as mayor bill de blasio was speaking there were members of other departments who had come in to town who also turned their backs to show solidarity with the nypd. i do want to take a moment, though, to let you look what the mare had to say. very powerful speech that she gave regardless about officer liu. >> he walks a path of courage, a path of sacrifice, and a path of
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kindness. this is who he was, and he was taken to -- from us much too soon. our hearts go out to his wife who married him just months before his cruel loss. t life and then the respects of the badge. i found that from many officers who traveled here more than 1,000 officers who traveled here across the country, to pay their respects. you saw that in the fact that officers stood at attention for
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hours during the ceremony. until they got to the cemetery just a few blocks from here. >> thank you so much there from brooklyn. appreciate it. >> still ahead, the efforts to recover victims still nicing major challenges. we'll break them down with our experts next. ♪ mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm ♪ here
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today searchers found more wreckage and the remains of bodies in the crash of flight 8501. 128 people are still missing. let's bring in our panel. thomas is vice president of marine systems, and joins us by phone, and annie is a wall street journal air safety correspondent. to you first, the search area is being extended east now because of the currents moving debris and bodies. how do you see making this already very difficult task even that much more? >> well there has been some considerable progress, i would say. more hope for a larger piece of the wreck ang. unfortunately, the divers can't satisfy anything under water. that's clearly a huge problem, anding unless the water becomes more clear and the storms die down, that's going to continue to be a challenge. the pain of families is
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magnified by the torrent of information they're getting. some of it contradictory. much of it way off the wall. i think that it's important to take a step back. maybe two or three steps back. really think about what we actually know in this accident. do you buy this notion of icing that's been reported? >> well that's right. we reported on that too. the fact -- smart pilots and smart investigators focus on what they know as fact and what they can construe to be reliable. that is absolutely clear. this aircraft should not have been near the storm. why it was flying where it was, whether it was incompetent or other mistakes whether it was institutional inertia or other factors. we really don't know at this point. the other thing i think your
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viewers should think about as absolute fact is since 2009 the whole aviation industry globally has been focused on training pilots how to deal better with high altitude offsets, high altitude stalls especially with automation no longer working or disconnected. what we'll find out, fredericka is how well the airline and the regulators cope with those issues and manage to adjust their training programs and their requirements and their oversight to try to deal with this emerging threat. >> i wonder doctor on that last point, do you believe that once those black boxes are retrieved, perhaps the data the information on those black boxes will reveal that perhaps these pilots did have to make some adjustments, did have to respond accordingly because of the conditions of that route or the weather or even something going on with the plane?
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t is are being made by how the aircraft is reacting. this should be quite an array of data that's available. >> at the same time you know andy, do you worry about that perhaps a week has been lost because the weather has not been able to cooperate? yes, they've been able to retrieve some bodies and, yes, they've been able to retrieve some debris but not as much as they would -- pay have been able to do had the weather been cooperating. >> certainly the weather is a bringing issue, and everybody knew it would be. most experts that i have talked to have pretty high confidence that the pieces large pieces of the wreckage will be found, and that the black boxes will be found, and that hopefully there
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will be in good condition. the other aspect that's going on now with this investigation is even before those recorders are discovered are located, you're already starting to see discussion about blemishes on the safety procedures used by the government and the airline and some of that came out this weekend and we can discuss them but it's clear that if this investigation is done right, you are going to be looking at more than just what the pilots did and what happened inside those storm cells. there's also going to be a lot of attention paid to how the government and the airline dealt with safety issues and what kind of sort of safety culture there was. >> am i hearing that later there will be a time and place for the conversations and perhaps even learn from whatever regulatory problems that xes or snnt. >> i don't think it's a distraction. i think it's an essential part of a good investigation, and if they really want to get to the bottom of what happened you have to look beyond what the
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single individual pilot or two pilots did and look at the whole system they were working in and what kind of overside and what kind of training and what kind of culture they were operating under. that's just essential. >> andy thomas thanks so much. we of course have a lot of questions coming your way because people are sending us questions about the air asia plane, and you can continue to send them to _#flight 8501qs. our experts are answering them later on. >> the woman who did just that. >> learning technology is make today's homes more connected than err before. in this week's tomorrow transformed richard quest shows us how tomorrow's homes will become smarter and more energy efficient.
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>> this jstz in. a tornado warning has been put out for parts of savannah and eastern georgia. >> tell us more about this warning. >> we have a super cell that developed southwest downtown savannah georgia. it was exhibiting very strong rotation. >> we have no reports of damage. just a lot of heavy rain gusty
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wind reports. the rotation appears to have crossed the savannah river and has moved farther down the line in the tornado warning into jasper county south carolina. >> and this has been after a couple of days now of torrential very heavy downfalls, right? >> it's been a wet period. we've had a lot of warm moist air. unusually warm air for this time of year in fact. conditions are favorable to spin up quickly and produce tornadoes. as a result we still have a tornado watch out for our entire area effective until 6:00 p.m. this evening. >> all right. you're talking specifically about the savannah georgia area although we're also looking at some images from what appear to be some preet severe wind damage coming out of mississippi. still unclear whether it's been declared that was tornadic
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activity. at least we know it was wind damage from the wreckage that we see there on the ground. thank you so much. steve, keep us posted as this warning stays remains in effect until 3:45 eastern time for this savannah georgia area. thanks so much. all right. still checking other top stories. in florida now a cruise ship is currently docked while its wave pool is investigated. this after a 4-year-old boy is skept under water. it happened nearly an hour after the royal caribbean oasis of the seas departed from port ever glades in florida last night. think say the boy was under water until five to ten minutes. the ship turned around, and the boy was rushed a local hospital. he remains in critical condition. and in los angeles the search continues for a missing infant. long beach police are asking for the public's help finding elissa de la cruz. she disappeared from a home
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saturday night after a shooting. the man involved in the shooting may have taken the infant. and the trial of the boston marathon bombing defendant starts monday. tsarnaev is also charged with the murder of an m. i.t. police officer. still ahead, we're answering your questions about the air asia missing plane. send them to us at _#85015 qs. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ the evolution of luxury continues.
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today was found off borneo and that suggests that currents may be moving bodies and debris to deal with that authorities are extending the search zone now east. nine of the victims found have been identified including a 10-year-old girl. although there has been an improvement in weather conditions over the past 24 hours, you could see these pictures from the singapore ministry of defense. heavy rain and high waves continue to hamper recovery efforts. 20 aircraft and 27 ships are involved in today's search. let's get to more of your twitter questions on why this plane went down. cnn safety analyst david joining us again. he is also the author of why planes crash and malaysia flight 370. here's the first question that's been tweeted to us. if 34,000 foot fall to ocean impact from icing is true how is intact whole bodies being recovered, not body parts?
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>> it's a very good question because we think about if the aircraft stalled for some reason or had a two engine out that these are big jet aircraft and that they would fall directly into the ocean? there's also reports of descents of up to 24,000 feet per minute. that sounds like a lot, but if do you the calculation on that that's about 265 to 275 knots, which the aircraft is perfectly capable of flying. what can happen and does typically happen is the pilot makes gallant efforts to try to recover the aircraft and regain control. i've done three accidents in which that occurred, and each one of those beings the pilot was very nearly able to recover the aircraft recover control of the aircraft and still make an attempt at a landing, although it was too late and too little. >> and this other question if the plane had a may day button why didn't anybody press it when they noticed that the plane was going to crash?
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how that would be viewed is if the insurance company has no liability, which they apparently if the aircraft was not authorized to be flying in that -- at that time that's one of the critical things with an insurance settlement is that the insurance company go back out. the second thing is the insurance company has nothing to do with whether claims are filed or not. it has to do with who pays those claims. there's a little bit going on in that and there's still some questions that are unanswered but there's some vulnerability there, but i do think that the families will have some sole es. they'll have some compensation certainly. >> here's another question being tweeted to us. do you think all the bodies will be found, and do you think they will find the entire plane? >> i do think that they'll find the entire plane. the bodies being that they're intact i think, that they'll all be found eventually also. with evidence of this body that was found over near borneo there's a lot of drift going on. the winds, it's going to take quite some time before they can
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gather everything that's on the suburb fas of the ocean right now. >> and this goes back to the whole license to fly route question. how could they let a plane take off if it didn't have clearance? >> >>. >> it's important to clarify that the authorization to fly is a legal at issue. it really is not a safety of flight issue necessarily. it's hard to draw those two things together. however, the fact that the space at 38,000 feet that was requested was occupied that doesn't necessarily mean that because they weren't licensed the skies were crowded. this is a very busy area. i'm not linking those two together from an airworthyness perspective as a causal factor. it's just an outliar that's going to have impact but i
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don't see it as a cause. nor do i see it as something that would have mitigated the accident. >> does it worry you at all that because the weather is not cooperating such valuable resources are not being able to be put to good use? is this a juncture in which new resources or different kinds of things will have to be dedicated to that area because of the weather? >> tching that ship being tossed around at sea. away would be even more tragic than that which is hard to imagine, but what could be even more tragic is more loss of
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lives in the attempt futile attempt to try to get out there and rescue or retrieve evidence. >> all right. david, thank you so much. always appreciate your expertise. >> thank you, fredericka. as more victims and debris are found and recovered in the waters off indonesia, it seems more and more likely search crews ultimately will find flight 8501 at the bottom of the java sea. it's the point of view of so many. it's a relatively shallow body of water. about 100 to 150 feet deep. that's in large part why. hopefully making the search and the salvage operation easier. cnn joe johns reports on what it may take to recover the plane from the sea floor. >> how do you pull the plane up from the bottom of the ocean? >> what you want to do first is to really map the entire accident scene. >> we spoke with peter, a former investigator with ntsb who worked on the recovery and rebuilding of twa flight 800, that crashed after takeoff from
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new york city. >> you document everything until you really get the information off the data recorder and the voice recorder. >> he says the site needs to be treated like a crime scene and mapping the debris field before removing objects could be key to finding out what happened. does indonesia have the know had of how to carry off a recovery effort like this? there are still questions about the location of all the debris? >> it seems like a fairly small body of water, but when you are out there, it's huge. >> david gallo with woods hole oceanographic. >> usually you're extremely careful not to say that you found something until you ground
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truth it. >> woods part in the crash of air flans flight 447 off brazil's northeastern coast whose black boxes took almost two years to recover. footnoting what a painstaking process this can be. joe johns, cnn, washington. show respect at the funeral of officer liu. some police officers still turned their backs on the mayor today when he was speaking. we'll talk about that next. narrator: this is the storm sea captain: there's a storm comin narrator: that whipped through the turbine which poured... surplus energy into the plant which generously lowered its price and tipped off the house which used all that energy to stay warm through the storm. chipmunk: there's a bad storm comin! narrator: the internet of everything is changing how energy works. is your network ready?"
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york city mayor, and the police commissioner all paying tribute to detective liu. some police officers again, turned their backs when the mayor was speaking a sign they feel he has been unsupportive of law enforcement. the mayor supported peaceful demonstrations after an unarmed black man was killed when a new york city officer put him in a choke hold on cnn's state of the uniformer nypd commissioner bernard kerik talked about tennings between police and the community. >> we have 700,000 police officers in the country. maybe more. plus you have the federal law enforcement community. for that entire for people to say they are harassing minorities in all based around two incidents, two, that had absolutely not one shred of evidence that those two events were based on race. i think it's businesses ar.
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i think it hurts the society in general. i think it hurts the country. >> you and i decent know what it's like to be a black american. can you see from their perspective that despite strides there still is a long way to go? >> i don't think there's a long way to go. i personally don't see it. he was a cop. i was an aggressive cop. i know thousands of cops that weren't racist. is there a racism in this country? yes. but to label the entire police department in every cop local, state, and federal in this country as a racist is bizarre. sfwro he was laid to rest at
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cypress hill noted in part for its feng shei. >> bodies from air asia flight 8501. the search remains on hold for the night due to bad weather there. today crews recovered four bodies from the java sea. that brings the total number of victims found so far to 34. one of the bodies recovered today was found off borneo. that suggests currents may be moving bodies and debris. >> heavy rain and high waves continue to hamper recovery efforts. 20 aircraft and 27 ships are involved in today's search. in the effort to find bodies and answers after the crash of air asia flight 8501 searchers are dealing with largely
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unchartered territory. akito has that story. >> reporter: the waters here are so deep hydrographer james coleman says very few underwater robots in the world are capable of diving more than two miles to the ocean floor. >> for the most part we know very very little about what's in the bottom of the ocean, and the amount of mapping has been almost none of the ocean itself. a big statement considering that water covers more than 70% of the earth. experts say just 5% of the world's oceans have been mapped. there's more known about the surface of the moon than the sea floor. he uses this cram are a to capture the aquarium moesh 30 feet under water. every image uploaded on line to give the public a virtual tour of uncharted remote territory.
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>> they can also go in and see exactly what's happening to reef environments and hopefully beyond that. >> the challenges are enormous. limited light affects visibility on the ocean floor. marine life and silts complicate the task. the average depth, more than 14,000 feet. >> we have very little resources to look at what's down there. >> director james cameron explored the deep waters in movies like "the abyss." he has helped develop the only manned submersible capable of going more than 30,000 feet under water. >> can you google just about any spot on the surface of the land but the ocean has depth. three miles down to seven miles. it's this huge volume full of life. >> with little information.
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a reality his hopes will change with so much attention on this underwater search. >> and hopefully, tragic as an event like this is it does focus people on the oceans and really hopefully this will help support the science that is required. >> still ahead, new details about what happened to a 7-year-old girl after she survived a plane crash, which killed everyone else on board. our nick valencia is following the story next. >> she is the only survivor in a crash that killed her mother her father and her older sister. the remark abbing details of a 7-year-old's journey to get help. you're watching the cnn newsroom. our amazing team members. the best part about working with quicken loans is that you have a mortgage expert on the other line that's always gonna find out the best possible solution. we just don't treat you as a loan number. we wanna make sure that we help you out. we're people just like them. ya know, and we know that they have jobs, they have kids, they have soccer.
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welcome back. taking our top stories. an american health care worker who had a high risk exposure to ebola in west africa is due to arrive today in the u.s. the patient will be treated at nebraska medical center. one of just four u.s. hospitals with biocontainment units. the facility's director said the patient who was working in
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sierra leone is not sick and not contagious. now to the 2016 race and mike huckabee's potential bid. the former arkansas governor ended his weekend program on fox news last night because he is actively contemplating another run at the white house. he said his presidential consideration put the network in a tough position, so he decided to halt his program. he is expected to make an official decision this spring. taking a look at some of the top stories cross the cnn news desk right now. zirchg the trial of the boston marathon bombing defendant starts tomorrow. dzhokhar tsarnaev is accused of detonate twoing bombs at the boston marathon in 2013. tsarnaev was charged with the murder of an mchli.t. officer. >> we're lrnk about the extraordinary lengths a 7-year-old girl had to take to survive a plane crash.
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the twin engine aircraft went down in a dense forest in western kentucky on friday. sailor gusler's mom, dad, sister and cousin were all killed. she survived. let's get to national reporter nick valencia with more on the news conference. >> yeah. >> it even touched the hearts of the police officers. the investigators who are just astounded at this little girl was in. she's the only survivor and she's dressed for florida weather. shorts t-shirt, barefoot and in 38 degree weather in western kentucky. in a press conference earlier today, the police department talked a about her remarkable journey to get help. >> i was literally struck by how calmly she was able to and the ability for her to get us
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information. she was obviously distraught and probably in shock. after trying to raise her family and get them to communicate with her and even touching some of them she indicated to us that she believed her family was deceased. but she hoped they were just sleeping. >> they went on to say that she was in the woods for quite some time. she headed towards lights to the house where a 71-year-old man was at home and just finished watching the news. he didn't hear the knock on the door it was his dogs. he goes to open the door. she is bloody broken bones and wearing not enough clothing that would have kept her warm. just remarkable. >> she is really unique. i think it also must speak to the fact that her family has always been outgoing and she must have learned a lot about that because her survival techniques and skills kicked in.
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>> the facebook family they seem a very outdoor family. police were talking about after the crash, she was going to take a stick to light the stick so she could guide her way through the woods. she couldn't find a stick that was big enough to light a fire with. but she walked about a mile through the woods through a 12 foot creek. we don't know if she swam or walked or how she actually got help. and it's pitch black outside. so she is recovering. we believe she is now with her step sister. amazing. >> wow. okay. thank you so much. >> thanks. >> still ahead, searchers are trying to locate black boxes.
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>> all right. there remains in place a tornado warning for savanna, georgia, area. a tornado warning is in effect it includes hilton head. >> so if searchers don't find the black boxes from air asia flight 8501 then what? no doubt it makes the crash investigation a lot more difficult but not impossible. here now is stephanie elam. >> to find out what brought down
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a plane, investigateors look to the wreckage and not just the black boxes for clues. >> never. never. it's like a mosaic. >> that is a more difficult endeavour. >> the parts stay where they landed. in the water you're working with currents and winds and so the pieces won't be where they had the initial impact. deep water, very, very hard time doing that. >> take malaysia air flight 370. by examining other crashes, investigators can deduce what likely happened if the massive plane did crash into the water.
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>> in this case the primary energy this wreckage was absorbed by the right front cockpit cockpit. it has two jet engines just like the malaysian aircraft but in fact it's 10,000 pounds versus the 777 which was 600,000 pounds. >> fit broke up that debris floor would be massive. >> exactly right. >> so this is a wing that crashed into the water. >> tracing the front leading edge of this right wing. this wing hid the water. the water being a very, very hard surface when you hit it fast. >> and that 777 would be moving much higher speed.
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>> if they don't recover, the part of the plane that failed in flight the cause of the crash may remain a mystery. cnn los angeles. >> all right. we have much more straight ahead and it all starts right now. >> hello again everyone. nightfall over the sea and the search for wreckage and bodies have been slowed down by the weather. earlier crews recovered four more bodies from the murky water. that brings the total number to 34. >> just about an hour from now, first light in indonesia and
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search teams expected to resume their efforts in the java sea. there was no visibility. it was pitch black so they couldn't take a closer look at the objects they had been searching for. one of them you will remember about 60 feet long. that is about the length of an air bus a-32. also hoping to send an underwater robot down to take a look at the pieces. also some news coming out and about from indonesia's weather agency. icing on the planes agency. it was one theory the
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