lived his life. >> we thanksed the liu family. >> we take comfort. the les on thes do not perish. >> that's going to do it for me. the newsroom begins right now. >> hi everyone. you're in the cnn newsroom. our top story, a fallen hero.

d married just two months before he was killed. his widow trembled with tears. she said her husband was an amazing man, her soul mate and her hero. >> a caring son, a loving husband, and a loyal friend. you are an amazing man. even though he left us early, but i believe he is still with us. his spirit will come to you to look after us.

of sacrifice and a path of kindness. he was taken from us much too soon.

so honored. >> it was a beautiful tribute for an astonishing tern. >> his widow called me a soul mate. we were told fascinating stories for him. how caring that he was. how does he fish. we will always remember him and

thank him for his service. we saw something pretty significant. the officers ignored a direct order from the boss. protests over police tactics. let's talk about the continuing controversy controversy. let me get back to the tribute today. >> i think it was an outstanding showing by officers.

ed for the first time that his friends and family called him. >> he was taken from us far too soon at 32 years old. >> these are classic text book examples about that. >> it rips your heart to shreds. the way his family explains them coming over and him starting a life here and trying to better his life

if they hear it enough it will re-trigger that feeling that they are just like us and this is just a profession that they have chosen. >> new york stands a little taller today. i do want to talk about what we saw which was some officers turning his back.

. good young man, law-abiding young man that never would think to do anything wrong. literally train them as families have all over this city for decades and how to take special care in any encounter he has with the police officers who are there to protect him. >> so mayor making comments about conversations. some officers really didn't like that and they believed that he also was supporting more of the protesters. this city tries to move forward. >> i don't have a problem with the mayor having conversations with his son about how he should conduct himself.

his son is being protected by the police. i think the time and place that he chose to elaborate on this conversation based on the facts and evidence. and based on the law. i'm sorry to anyone who has interaction with police. >> i think that it was an inappropriate time to bring the discussions in. but do so in a lawful order.

>> this is our police force and this is our mayor. >> the mayor has dug a hole. he has created a divide with statements and actions that he has done. some of the other candidates took positions as he did. but his level of diplomacy and know ing knowing i think everyone is under the same impression that he has not handled himself in a way that has really come out in support of the police. basically offered them nothing.

in anyway shape or form. t may have saved their life.

nd she was not dressed for cold weather but she wanted to get help for her family. she couldn't see anything. there was a small fire next to the plane. she tried to find a stick to make a torch. when that failed she headed into the woods in search for help. >> she walked until she navigated downed trees, briars and bushes. she navigated significant ditch

lines and was able to make it out to safety what she told us was to do so in order to receive assistance for her family. she probably went the best route she could have gone. it was not the easiest route by any means. she absolutely went to probably the nearest house that she could have. but it was still a considerable feat for her to do that.

his could have happened. a lot of people are asking how is it possible that one person survives with minor injuries and everyone else dies instantly? >> this is a terrible tragedy and this girl is a remarkable child. why? no one really knows why. >> i know it's early days of the investigation but when you look at that some have pointed to possibly if she was sitting in the back towards the tale that may have given her a better chance.

>> you can lose the rear. if you're sitting in the back you're the first to perish. so it really is just -- >> wow. what is your take on this? >> what is your take on this? it seems like a young girl with incredible survival instincts. >> yes, in almost all situations like this i can remember one case where a single child but in this case what is interesting to me is that the plane was upside down on the ground and there was no fire. the plane itself didn't catch

fire. i can only speculate that it must have hit the trees and turned over. it wouldn't have hit the ground with tremendous force. so it's extraordinary that she got out of that. any guess is that by some freak of the way the plane tilted as it settled, she was spared the most severe impact on the airframe itself. she showed enormous initiative. i don't think that there is anything that i could like it. >> you talked about air asia crash

crash. >> is that going to be number one for them in determines what could have gone wrong? >> it's not like the black box in an airliner. but there is enough information there for them to tell what went wrong wrong. >> i think the risk of fire would have been much greater. we don't know that yet. >> there is private and commercial aviation. so the skills vary enormously.

>> our thoughts with that entire family especially 7-year-old sailor. >> trying to find clues in the air asia disaster.

>> it has been more than a week now since flight 8501 disappeared. crews found more debris. anything floating in the water and harder to retrieve it. david is there. can you tell us how the people there, the family and loved ones and being comforted? >> monday morning the sun has just risen which means their search should be resuming any minute here.

poppy, things seem to be changing in the sense that families are growing a bit more frustrated. not necessarily with officials but just with the weight. the weather proving to be absolutely frustrating. it's monsoon season and raining in the afternoons and things can change in the blink of an eye. they're telling me and i spoke to one in particular. he has four relatives on board including two young granddaughters and he is saying at this point there really is no information. they are just waiting and waiting and waiting. and poppy, that's got to be frustrating. at this point, 150 families roughly 150 families stimwithout answers as you mentioned.

>> stevy? wow. ten years old. >> i know that the families are -- about compensation. er to put a number on it. some families though saying look. it's just too soon.

it feels like if i sign this i'm giving up hope. a little bit more information on what exactly you ear signing and make them more comfortable. >> here with me again to talk about the search and recover efforts, also joining me is joshua. he has a non-profit group dedicated to safer flying and better flying policy. thank you all for being here. let me begin with you anthony. looking at this as a pilot, when we look at seven days path so far, how difficult is this in terms of recovery and getting to

the bottom of what may have caused this. recovering all 162 bodies. to you, when it comes to those critical black boxes, that information does not get deteriorated despite the amount of time.

a general concern that no pilot should ever meet that. this is the kind of situation where they have to take over the computers and fly the plane over the particular problem. one of the most urgent.

we don't even know if she was flying the plane. the co-pilot had considerably less experience than this pilot did. >> your focus is safety. safety in the skies. do you agree or are you concerned about computers running these planes to much? >> i think it's quite the opposite. the more we can upgrade technology about where other planes are.

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>> today, right here in new york city the funeral of new york city police officer liu. thousands of police officers from all across the country turned out to show support for this fallen officer. this hero. he was gunned down last month while sitting in his patrol car. he was only 32 years old. he had just gotten married a few months before. his widow today giving a beautiful eulogy remembering him as her hero. >> a caring son, a loving husband and a loyal friend.

you are an amazing man. even though he left us early. i believe he is there with us. he was my hero. >> we learned a lot more about him today. >> listening today, we heard all of these stories. he was known as joe by those that loved him by his fellow officers. we were told hoe he stop playing basketball earlier and he later bought a house for his parents.

harold you served 29.5 years. what is it like for families when you head out on the street and do your service? >> i think most of my time i didn't realize at the time that you know your family worries about you. they know that it can be a dangerous job. >> officer liu was telling someone why he became a police officer. he said i know it's a dangerous job but i have to do it. as we look at the city grappling with really intense relations. >> my comment was for you.

>> the mayor has a lot of footwork to do. is going have to become creative. >> we saw some officers turn their backs. let's take a listen to what. >> i think it's a very emotional

time. and it should be respected. >> this came after the commissioner sent an internal memo yesterday to all officers asking them not to do this.

oes was not the place. >> do you think, tom, when we look at this that what do you think is at the root of the tension? i guess that's what i'm asking. we have to go somewhere from here.

ust does not stop it first. when you start quantifying it the mayor ran all of this. some other anti-police and anti-nypd rhetoric. in the last 15 20 years that i have seen it.

some of the cops got arrogant and they feel they can just do what they want he's acting like the leader of a gang. that's what they -- >> so you think he is being unfairly targeted? >> listen because he made a statement that maybe he wasn't the right time to say that. when my son turned 16 i had 19 years in the police department. i had a talk with him about how to act respectable. but if you get pulled over pull over right away.

i know how easy it is for a situation to turn negative. as him being a young black man, sometimes people see him as a threat. >> tom, you disagree and you believe that they were on call. and you want to see it sounds like an apology from the mayor? >> i think when you look at the overall way that the mayor has come out, he did it as a candidate. he had the opportunity to arbitrate this contract.

i'm not -- i never said that he shouldn't have these conversations. my father is born and raised. we had those conversations when he had them with myself and my sister. we had the same conversations. different subsets of culture. >> two people disagreeing but respectfully disagreeing. i hope that somehow we can move forward. they protect us. i am grateful to them and we need our mayor. let's see where we go from there. thank you for being with us. continuing search for the remains of air asia flight 8501.

we will talk about it next.

>> investigators don't yet know what was happening in the cockpit of air asia flight 8501 and they won't really know until they retrieve the flight da recorder and cockpit voice recorder. the captain asked to divert from the flight program to get around bad weather. let's talk about this and the technology specifically in this type of an air bus a-320 plane. also with us a former commercial pilot and flight instructor.

joshua let me get to you first. you and i were speaking earlier in the program. the better the more technology and more computerized these planes are the better and safer for us. >> if you look at the safety record of aviation it's improved to the point where we have -- almost no safer place to be than on a commercial airline in the united states. people do things that are not necessarily in our best interest and can often make mistakes in terms of how they are prepared for a flight or well prepared for what specific situation they're in. >> do you agree with that? i did see some of the notes.

is that the case on an air bus? >> the digital fly by wire system on an air bus simply with that it can override a pay lots control such as this air bus due to severe weather. what happens is the air bus will to keep the flight within it ss very skilled pilots can exceed the flight envelope of an aircraft safely and bring it to a better conclusion. the boeing 777 does have an

override feature so the pilots can have full control. >> so your take on that? >> it's perfectly true that the whole progressive improvement is remarkable. we reached a point here where the automation is here to stay. far more efficiently, a much more efficient machine. we reached a point where we have to focus on this moment. and although it's true that the envelope protection system is there it's not there when the flight management system shuts

down. i have been in to see the difference. neither air bus or boeing claims that one is better than the other. when they don't leave the pilot in command. which is to connect on an emergence or take off before landing. the reality is that the automation is never going leave us. we used to have three people take flight. there was a flight engineer, pilot and co-pilot.

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for decades, film critics gene sisker and roger ebert argued over movies. we watched them. farns s fans loved to watch the two trade barbs on their tv show. my next guest knew roger ebert very well. let me bring in bill mack ebert's longtime lifelong friend really thank you for being here. >> thanks for having any. >> you are in this fascinating documentary airing tonight on cnn called "life, itself" about roger ebert. you talk a lot about your friend. you were both on the university of illinois student newspaper together. take me back a few decades and tell me what he was like and if he thought then that he would become such an icon. >> well roger was, you know he

was sophisticated beyond his years, as a journalist and sophisticated beyond his years in the realm of writing the english language and understanding english and american literature. he had a deep understanding of literature and writing. he always could write fast. he wrote intimidatingly fast. he would drive the rest of the staff crazy because he could sit down and write a column a very literate column with literary illusions at typing speed. he could finish a column in 40 minutes or an hour. >> wow. >> i used to say to him, how do you do that? he said, you know, bill, i've always been able to do that, i've always been able to write fast and express myself clearly. you know poppy, by the time he left the university of illinois he was really ready to be a journalist in the big-time. he went to chicago. he was going to be mike roiko. he was going to follow in the

footsteps of ben hect and charles mcarthur front page. that's what he did. he got diverted. he went into film criticism. you know, he did not go into journalism to be a film critic. i'm sorry? >> i wanted to play this bite for you and get your reaction. let me play this part of the movie from you and get you to react on the other side. >> okay. >> the heart knows what the heart knows and so i fell in love with roger. he fell in love with me. and i wanted him to be you know open and transparent about racial issues because there were some members of his family who didn't -- he was afraid they wouldn't accept me at first, and he would say, oh well it's because you're not catholic. >> you were like i might be more than that roger. >> yes, right. eventually he owned up to it but we all became one big happy family and i loved his family

and adored his family. >> so that was not a clip from the film. we'll get to that in one second. that was an interview from his wife chaz who he loved so much, with our brooke baldwin. he said of her, roger ebert before he died her love was like a wind pushing me back from my own grave. and when i heard that, it -- i broke down. tell me about them together. >> well they -- roger, all of his life, when he left illinois and we'd hang out together and we'd get together occasionally he really was looking for the love of his life. he had been looking for it all of his youth, and he was caught in a difficult situation. his mother wanted him to marry a catholic virgin and it was -- that's a tough find anywhere nowadays and it was in those days. especially not only a virgin but somebody that you know who was catholic and roger, you

know, was very constrained. he was very much under the thrall of his mother. and when she finally passed it gave him -- it freed him to find someone like chaz. someone that would -- someone that he could love and -- whether she would have been accepted by roger's mother or not, i doubt it. i mean, she had family. she was divorced. and, but this didn't matter suddenly and roger just absolutely fell in love with her. he called me one day and said i'm in love with somebody i want to get married and he said i want you to meet her next time you're in chicago. next time i was in chicago, i went to his house and we met. and he was absolutely devoted to her, as she was devoted to him. >> yeah. she just seems like an extraordinary, extraordinary woman. we have to get to a break, but very quickly before we do i want to ask you this. how do you think roger ebert would react if he knew this story about his life, "life

itself" is on the short list for an academy award nomination? >> i think he would be delighted and i think he'd give the film two thumbs up. i thought steve james, the director did a terrific job collecting the information and putting it into an artistic real -- it was a -- it was an artistic bit of film making and i think roger would have been delighted with it particularly because it's true, and he didn't gloss over anything. he was very honest. he went with the good and the bad. and the happy times and the difficult times. >> yeah. >> and the alcoholism and then finding chaz and blooming as a person. and falling in love. it's all in there. and i think roger would have loved that. >> it's all in there. it's a wonderful movie. thank you for your time. lucky that you got to be friends with him. thank you, bill. appreciate it. for all of you, please check out "life itself" airing tonight 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. we'll be right back.