france. it could happen nighttime or tomorrow or even later. >> we'll stay on top of this story. that is it for me. thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. outfront tonight, breaking news the manhunt on police helicopters that moment using night vision and zeroing in on a wooded area north of paris. are the suspected terrorists there. and the suspects brothers one trained by al qaeda in yemen. tonight we find out they were on the u.s. no-fly list. how did intelligence officials miss that. and the shocking stories of two women who survived the shootings. one with a gun to her head and the other hiding under a desk. why did the attackers spare all but one woman? let's go "outfront." and a good evening and welcome to our viewers in the

united states and around the world. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, breaking news. the manhunt for two men suspected in the paris terror attack is reaching a crucial point. at this moment helicopters zeroing in on a wooded area where the suspects were believed to be spotted. they are using night vision to hunt using body heat. 80,000 police officers and soldiers are fanned out across fans as the search is focused on the countryside north of pars is. tonight we are getting the first look at the gruesome scene inside of that office. we need to warn you, but it is poignant. papers on the ground amidst the wounded. 11 men and one woman were executed right here by terrorists. the two brothers now the subject of the intense manhunt.

they are said and cherif could you -- kouachi. one of them had travelled to sear syria. and where they have been spotted. in several locates, all north of paris. police and a forensics team swarmed over a gas station and at tend ant told police he recognized the shooters from their mug shots this morning. and i should emphasize where this helicopter hunt is going on in the dark in this forest as we can see is only about a 15-minute drive from where the gas station is. on this national day of mourning in france a columnist for charlie hebdo promised the magazine will not be silenced and thousands will be published next week. and we begin with fred in paris tonight. and what is the latest on the manhunt? >> reporter: well the manhunt is on going and it appears to be

zeroing in on these two people in the area north of paris. there are the helicopters in the area. our team has been spotting them. but the police has been trying to cordon off the area to make sure the two suspects can't get out of the area but also that people can't perhaps get into the areas as well to interfere with that ongoing police operation. because we know of course that one of the things that the authorities here have been saying is they do believe the two people are still very much armed and very dangerous. one of the things that the man at the gas station said that saw the two people he saw very high-powered rifles and also rocket propelled again aids. and we'll look at how this manhunt has been unfolding today. tonight france is a country on edge as mil intense manhunt. searching for these two men, seen here minutes after the deadliest terror attack in france in ten years. 12 people were killed 11

wounded. and the paris office was of charlie head bo magazine. >> a thousand of people were mobilized of which 9,800 in the isle of france. said's i.d. was left in a car. >> it was a mistake. a single mistake. >> reporter: 55 miles north of paris, officers cordoned off a gas station after the two were possibly spotted there. the attend ant told police the armed brothers threatened him and stole gas and food. fear on the street is evident. >> translator: there was a man who told me apparently they left their car and went through the forest. don't go through the forest. don't go around the forest to avoid running into them. >> reporter: late last night, 90 miles northeast of paris, a tactical unit searched the area. police have not released details

of the operation but cnn has learned that said lived in the town around a third suspect turned himself in to authorities. nine others have also been detained as part of the investigation. then thursday morning, the paris suburb more terror on the street as another gunman dressed in black shot and killed a policewoman. >> there is no connection established yet between the shooting that occurred this morning and the attack on charlie hebdo yesterday. it is probably not the end of a terror attack. we are ready to fight it. we will fight. >> reporter: so the police is being barbara, what they don't know is frightening, but what they do know or did know and weren't able to capitalize on to stop this is also frightening, because you are learning that u.s. intelligence was also aware

of these brothers? >> reporter: indeed. our reporters are finding out today that both of the brothers essentially were on the u.s. data base of the no-fly list and had been for sometime. now, i mean apparently they -- there is no information they tried to fly to the united states at this point. but they were on the no-fly list. and french authorities had been monitoring the two men at various points and had them under surveillance but that surveillance was given up. french authorities say that they simply have too many of the jihadi militants in france to keep track. it is a difficult situation. >> it is and we'll talk about that in a moment. how much they did know and to what extent and i'll talk about this to our viewers there was extensive media reporting on these brothers. and "outfront," our paris affiliate, and griff whittier

from the washington post and jim sciutto. there are helicopters hunting for the attackers. they believe they entered a forest on foot. i'm going to zoom in with our maps. a forest in this town about 40 miles northeast of paris. those helicopters using night vision to try to locate the attackers using heat signature. i know you were in that area today. what did you see? >> well first thing you see is the massive allocation of man power. we saw convoys of police with sirens on a number of times heading to the area as they kept adding to the man power. and then at many corners and intersections you saw police watching and waiting interviewing people. but i also saw them constantly adjusting. first to a town about 45 miles northeast of here and that was the focus of the search and then they moved to a town next door

to it and then focusing on this wood wood area after helicopters spotted men abandoning a car and going into the wood and that is where the focus of their attention is right now. the helicopter searches. but i can tell you, they've extended the area of high alert, you will to the belgian border. they are leaving no area unchecked right now. they don't want these guys to get away. >> and to the point that jim is making as jim just said they thought that they saw them abandon a car and go into the forest where they are looking, but terry, they have expanded the search area and used helicopters several times today in the search and it didn't come up with finding them so what are you hear being what is going on at this moment? >> well what we're hearing and reporting as of two hours is that in that specific area we see, a large chunk of the security forces disposal has been lifted and redeployed

somewhere else. we don't know exactly as to what it means, but there is one helicopter left as you mentioned. there is still a s.w.a.t. team focusing on this forest. they are focusing on the roads around the forest as well. but the biggest chunk is pulled somewhere uls as of two hours ago. >> and jim, first, if police do find the attackers, using heat signature, if they do find them what do they do after that to capture them? >> well there are different tactics between the u.s. and france. but this is one key, whether they find them in the forest or somewhere else they'll have to proceed very gingerly. first step is location. but then it will be apprehension. they know the men are heavily armed and from what they carried out on the street behind me that they are skilled and disciplined in the use of the weapons and they are likely to be dug in.

they have to expect a fight. that is the m.o. for perpetrators and gunman like this not to be taken alive possibly. so they will have to be very careful. remember there were policemen killed yesterday as they responded to this attack and another policeman in an attack an attack on charlie hebdo and that is a real priority protecting the police lives and apprehending the suspected gunman. >> and griff, to this point, and terry saying they are looking in multiple places at this moment police are worried the suspects were heading back to paris. there was concern will they mount another attack. we know there are check points on the roads and our reporters experienced them today. you saw the police presence entering paris. how significant is it? >> well there is a presence there certainly. i was at one of the entrances to paris today and we did see a number of patrol cars there

watching the traffic going in and coming out. but there weren't check points where i was. >> a lot of paris is going on as normal. and i was at a rally in fact this evening, this was a vigil to honor the dead and it was somber and quiet. but today this was skuber about. chanting charlie is alive and not dead. so they are sending a message to the extremists and the attackers they are not going to be intimidated. >> which is the message that must be sent and powerfully being sent. theory you have been living in france for a while, how difficult will it be for them to find the suspects if they went back to paris? >> it will be fairly easy because, as you mentioned earlier in the report about 90,000 police officers deployed all over the country, but mostly

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there were reports they saw them abandon a car and run into the forest and there are helicopters there. they also expanded the search area and are still looking other places. this is a chase that has led police through the narrow streets of paris, to outside of the capital where they are going door-to-door hunting. tom foreman is "outfront." and tom, when you think about the scale, 80,000 to 90,000 people are looking for two men who have been able to allude people for two days. >> but you hit the head there. moving target. they have passed through different environments. i'm down by the eifel tower and notre dame and then charlie hebdo where it all began. if you take a closer look you can see what we're dealing with down here is an urban environment. look at the corner before all of this started. if you take a look you can see this is an urban place. a lot of business people and

things going on. that is where the shooting began. and then they fled down that road. that is where they had one of their earlier encounters from police aside from the officer inside of the office. they went down that road out to a boulevard and more gun play out there. and if we move this map in see the passage there that is blue-green that is where all of this was happening, where the other officer was shot. and then they rushed away from this location to another one. we've talked about this, this idea that they wrecked their car at some point. that happened up here. this is about 12 minutes away from that and this is what the corner looks like. and the initial search was here in an urban environment, place to place and heavy congestion and then moving more up into the suburbs on the edge of paris, which are quite expansive and now we're talking about the whole idea of a sighting up at a gas station which is going to be some 45 minutes away from where

it began. and look at the countryside around this gas station. now we have a third very different environment. wide open countryside out here. very small villages very few people in them. it is not a great place to hide in many ways. yes, it gets you away from everybody if you are recognizable and you want to do that. but it also makes everything stand out. and now, erin you are talking about the woods. and the idea of searching in the woods. take a look at the woods in this area. because the woods here are dense in some parts and if you are the human who is running into the woods, you are the only one there. so night vision and things like that heat-seeking things will help a great deal as they try to track them down. overall, if we look at this location the circle they've drawn around this is going to be from that yellow dot out to the edge of it about 12 miles in all directions. i will repeat this is not the only place they are searching. they are searching throughout the picardy region and up to the

border of belgium because if they get into an international situation where they go into other countries, it gets even more complicated. but the truk is -- the truth is erin they are trying to follow a moving target on different landscapes on scant information about where they may be but they seem confident they are tightening the net. >> thank you very much tom foreman. and you think how could they not have found them but it is difficult. and now mike rogers also our newest commentator and also fbi, along with theory arnaud. and i know you are on the ground and have information about the search and you were looking at the forest and moving to other places as well. i understand there are caves in this area where they believed the men may be hiding. how are police dealing with all of these different things with the forest with the caves, with the different terrains?

>> well by pursuing as many leads as they have erin. and that is the reason why it is a moving target all of the time and they are redeploying sources as they get new information which was clearly the case tonight. and again, as of about two hours ago, most of the very heavy massive security deployment in this specific area you've been mentioning has been lifted. they left a few s.w.a.t. teams behind and they left a few road check points behind and there is still one helicopter hovering over this particular area but the biggest chunk of the whole massive security deployment has been going on somewhere else. what they've been doing all day is going door-to-door. they also conducted a very expensive search with a warrant in one particular village. but that didn't lead to anything. and unfortunately, as i speak now, they are still very much on the run. >> and as he is saying very

much on the run. with the s.w.a.t. being lifted from the forest and moving somewhere else as you look at the fact it is in the early morning hours in paris. mike, it was about 30 minutes back to the beginning here which i find hard to understand and a lot of people do 30 minutes between the time the men entered the offices of charlie hebdo and the time they drove away. they were there for 30 minutes, in an office that was -- they knew there could be attacks and where people were taking cell phone videos police had time to show up all of these things happened and yet how could they have gotten into a car and just driven away? >> yeah. a couple of reasons. one, you would have to find out when somebody went and flipped their video phone, did they call the police first or were they interested if getting it on video and that is always a concern. so you don't know when exactly the police were notified. so you would have to figure out when were you notified and what assets did you deploy. there was a police car that came

down the street that took fire. that should have ramped up police concern that a police officer was taking gunshots during the operation that happened. >> right. >> so the problem is in an area like this you are sure they had to have a response area somewhere and they are patrolling early in the morning and this was not an area they believed needed a heavy police presence so you have to accumulate forces and send them as a response team. in the meantime in the calm precise way they pulled this fof, if you saw the activities on the ground and the video of their actions, tells you they didn't present an aura of chaos. one of the witnesses said i thought they were drug enforcement officers doing their work. which would mean it tends to impact your psychology of these were bad people. nobody was sure what was happening. >> which could have created questions at the beginning. and thierry said when the two men robbed the gas station this morning they were driving in the

same car they hijacked 24 hours earlier. they had the car when they left the scene and they carjacked another car and they were still in that car 24 hours later. that is hard to understand for a lot of people. how is it possible they were able to allude police at that point building up tens of thousands people looking for them and road blocks and still be in the same car? >> well it is difficult to understand quite clearly. and what is surprising about the way they conducted this whole fleeing thing is this combination of two killers being very cold-blooded be having professional determined and they knew obviously, erin what they were doing. they knew for example that the one important editorial meeting every week was on the wednesday morning at this particular time. and on the other hand this impression they give us they were completely improvising, when they were fleeing, they

drove like maniacs, they hit the car and had to take another one and they kept the car instead of changing it i have to say there are many questions, as you were raising, as to whether police could not have done a better job of finding these guys. but the impression i have very strongly here in paris tonight is these questions will come later. what is very dominant here in paris at this point are two things. first, is the emotion, of course. and secondly the urgency to find these guys. these are the two things that people are -- absolutely. these are really the two things people are focusing on right now. and these questions will come erin. there is no doubt. but they will come later. >> and mike the issue as he used the word "improvised" on the getaway. and there is the possibility they left their i.d. behind to claim responsibility but it doesn't fit with the fact they wanted to be concealed and get away and not do a suicide attack. that seems like an incredibly

bood mistake to make. >> this is not the first time people with criminal intent have made those kind of mistakes. your adrenalin is high and your decision-making has to be very instantaneous instantaneous. i can tell you as a former fbi agent working a murder case where a very seasoned hitman for the organized crime left his glove at the scene with his initials on it. and of course in the fbi we call that a clue. now this person knew what he was doing. but in the intensity of the moment a small mistake can have a big impact for law enforcement. so i wouldn't -- i would not say this was a horrific mistake by them. in the hurried aftermath of their attack it could have just happened and it gave one of the best clues i think that the -- that the french police had. >> certainly, we can only imagine given if they didn't have that they might not know who these people were. which is incredible. thank you to mike and terry in paris. and the brothers known to

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welcome back to our viewers in the united states and around the world. the breaking news the manhunt for the suspected terrorists in yesterday's deadly attack on a french magazine has entered a new phase. police using helicopters and night vision zeroing in in part on a wooded area north of paris. it has been 38 hours since gunman carried out a brazen terrorist attack at a magazine in paris. they slaughtered 12 people. the brothers saird and cherif kouachi are still at large. we know 80,000 police and personnel have been mobilized to assist in the search. that is a stunning number. nine people have been detained and 90 witnesses have been questioned. but are authorities any closer to actually finding the two who committed this horrific act of

terror? jim sciutto is front. and jim, this is the crucial question that so many around the world want an answer to. how could these suspects managed to evade authorities for this long? >> it is a good question. and not just u.s. but french authorities, on terror lists in both countries for a number of years. that is a major question at this point. authorities are going back over leads, both here and in the u.s. to see if they missed any warning signals. this is as they have the massive manhunt under way with particular attention focused on a forest about 45 miles northeast of paris. but still tonight, no sign of the gunman. as the manhunt continues for the attackers in the countryside outside of paris, a clearer picture is emerging of the gunman behind the masks. authorities have identified brothers cherif kouachi,

32-year-olds old and said kouachi the two suspects. they left behind a getaway car and a key mistake, their i.d. >> it was a mistake. a single mistake. >> reporter: both brothers were known by french authorities and were under police monitoring. >> translator: soon the identity of the suspects were learn and where they might flee to and they were placed under surveillance. >> reporter: but a former counter terrorist official said it was stopped because there were too many jihadis. cherif and a fan of rap music was sentenced to prison in 2008 for recruiting those to fight in iraq and in 2005 he was arrested in syria where he planned to travel to iraq to fight against u.s. and coalition forces. cherif's former lawyer claimed he was not an extremist.

>> translator: he was like a lot of young people. he just had a job that provided him money for an uninteresting lifestyle. when he got out of custody, he got a job and got married and when he arrived in court in 2008 he seemed to be getting on the right path. >> much less is known about the elder brother, said who had a lower profile. he was investigated along with his brother in a planned prison break in 2010. >> said kouachi was unemployed and never condemned or accused, but he appeared in the periphery of some of these investigations in which his brother said was involved. >> reporter: today we found the mosque where they were radicalized torn down. a neighbor in the area described said. >> he lived here for a year and a half. he would leave in the morning and we never saw him. but if he really did that it is

disgusting. because what we saw last night -- truly, we cried. >> reporter: so why were these two gunman taken off surveillance. i spoke to the former head of france's counter terrorism special police tonight and he told me in the simplest terms, there are too many of them jihadis, too few of us security. and he explained 5,000 jihadis in france alone and it takes up to 10 security officers to keep one of them under surveillance and that adds up to tens of thousands of man power they don't have. they had the surveillance and stopped that. surveillance is a constant judgment call. sometimes they get the call right. we are told they've broken up a number of plots here in france in recent weeks. sometimes they get the calls wrong and we're standing on the street tonight at the site of one of the attacks, one of the bad calls unfortunately and france measuring cost of that right now. >> thank you so much jim

sciutto. and i want to bring in former cia official phil mudd. you just heard what jim said the numbers, there are 5,000 suspected jihadis in france alone, 3-10 police or authorities to track each of them. those numbers obviously aren't possible. but you look at this specific instance, one of the brothers was the subject of a new york times article back in 2005 in jail for being a jihadi in yemen in 2001 trading from al qaeda in syria last summer. do you make you feel this guy fell through the cracks or is that just a standard there are thousands of guys like that? >> it is the standard. it is what you said on the latter part of the conversation erin. look here is behind the curtain what is going on here. when you are dealing with the numbers we're dealing with, especially in the isis era, hundreds or thousands of people look at the volume of stuff you have to go on each person e-mail phone, maybe physical surveillance who are their friends and family. multiply that a few thousand times and you start to realize,

it is like a hospital room in an emergency zone in a war area. you have to say, who is the worst and sometimes we're going to make mistakes and operate on the person who will die and leave the person aside who could have lived with we operated. it is risk every day. one more point, erin fascinate being this case and that i don't understand. initial reports suggested that one of the folks went to yemen. maybe as long ago as 2011. two things about that. one, is the every man common. what happened in the previous four years? why didn't he do anything? the second is a practitioner's comment. in four years, if i have thousands of cases and one of them went to someplace ugly four years ago and nothing happened in the intervening four years, you are going to step back and say why are we following this guy. nothing has happened. let's put the resources on something else. >> you say it and it makes a clear case and then you see the horrible tragedy of that. phil mudd, thank you. and next the amazing stories of two women who

survived the shooting in paris, one reportedly spared after a gun was put to her head. plus the suspected shooters two brothers their life stories so similar of the brothers in the boston bombings.

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more on the breaking news of the manhunt under way at this hour in norther france. police helicopters equipped with

heat-seeking night vision has been viewing a wooded air 45 miles north of paris. we are monitoring that situation. as we get more information we'll bring that to you, getting the live reports moment by moment with what is happening with the search and the helicopter hunt at this moment. amidst of the terrorist attack yesterday, we are learning something very important to tell you. almost all of the women but one escaped death even as they came face-to-face with the two gunman. nic robertson is with us. they have killed without care in a mall and a school in pakistan. in this case different. one woman was actually entering that building they came to her and threatened her. she is the one who gave them the code to get into the building. what do you know about her story? >> reporter: she is a cartoonist going by cocoa and corin ray and picked up her

child from day care. she was running late for the editorial meeting. she was just punching in the access code to get in to unlock the front door of the building. the gunman came up behind her and forced her to finish with the punching number and went past her and shooting the guard inside. this is a cartoonist who escaped death because she was a woman and she did when she was told to do with a gun pointed to her head. >> they did not shoot her. and the security guard asked where they were going and got their information and killed him. and then another freelance journalist inside who had a gun put to her head and not killed. >> yes. this is an inevitably lucky woman. no one would want to go through what she went through. so the journalists are rallied up in the room. she gets on the floor and starts

crawling and gets behind a partition wall and hopes to be hidden but one of the gunman has seen her and comes up to her and grabs her by the arm and points a gun at her head and she is thinking she is going to be shot like the others and said don't be afraid. i'm not going to shoot. we don't shoot women. and shouts out at the other gunman several times, we don't shoot women. we don't shoot women. we don't shoot women. so there is one takeaway from this and we've heard it in other instances about the gunman treating -- when they took the car from somebody when they were on the getaway, an old man who had a dog, get out of the car and let him get his dog out before they take his car. it sounds counter intuitive but this is what we are learning. >> this is a code we understand. and one woman was killed but they made a pointed effort to not do that in almost every other case. nic, thank you very much. >> and i want to bring in tim

clemente. former fbi. what do you make of that tim? >> the fact they didn't kill women. i would consider that to be the standard in the past. muslims as a rule segregate the genders. they do it in friday prayers in the mosque and in everyday life. so these individuals, because they were extreme, you would think would bend that rule and you mentioned the mall in kenya, the west gate mall, the attackers there vocalized that. normally we don't kill women and children but you have not spared ours and then went and sprayed bullets into 32 little kids boys and girls on the terrace at a cooking competition and killed them. but they don't always stick by that rule. but generally, as a cultural thing, they separate the sexes. and in this case they may have done it because most of the targets were male they were looking for and it made it easier for them to find the targets rather than just spraying bullets at everybody. >> it is incredible when you see and then sort of strange in their minds a code of operation and a code of conduct. tim, what do you make of the

hunt right now, that 80,000 to 90,000 people looking for these guys guys. from what we understand they have been in the same car for 24 hours but they have been looking in this wooded area and still looking in other places but trying to use heat-seeking night vision from a helicopter. are you shocked this is still going on? >> i'm not shocked. i do believe there should be resolution pretty soon. i think these guys will run out of trail to run on. and the more they concentrate, if they are in the rural area they will be found, only because, a. the infrared thermal infrared, will identify humans but if there are caves, that is a much less slow and less progressive method of searching for them. this is not the eric rude situation where he knew the terrain but these are on the run looking for the next place to hide so i think they'll run out of places to run with that law

enforcement pursuing them. >> tim, thank you very much. and our breaking coverage continues as we keep you up to date minute by minute with the hunt going on in the middle of the night as they are using heat seeking materials to find the brothers in a forest. and we'll talk you about -- we'll tell you about the incredible similar situation between these brothers and the tsarnaev brothers. here we go. woo who, woah, woah, woah. it's out there somewhere spreading the word about americas favorite potatoes: heart healthy idaho potatoes and the american heart association's go red for women campaign. if you see it i hope you'll let us know. always look for the grown in idaho seal. well, a mortgage shouldn't be a problem your credit is in pretty good shape. >>pretty good? i know i have a 798 fico score thanks to the tools and help on experian.com. kaboom...

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police helicopters are hunting for the attackers. at this moment show you what we know as we're watching this moment by moment. they believe they entered a forest in the town you see here. we're going to zoom in here. this forrest, dense, outside of northeast paris. we're told they perhaps saw them abandon a car and go into the forest. we understand they are still deploying massive resources in locations. it's unclear whether this is another mistake but they're there. we watch this moment by moment as they're hunting. these men said to be brothers. at least one of them may have spent time training with al qaeda. their history, their getaway plans, when you look at this you may have deja vu. the story of these brothers and the tsarnaev brothers who authorities say are responsible for the boston bombings. deborah feyerick is out front. >> reporter: two acts of terror two brothers two cities. an ocean apart but mistakable

similarities. like tamerlan and dzhokhar tsarnaev, from al jeer ya and checnia with violent islamic extremist. radicalized by young men and anwar ayla key advocating attacks. urging young french men to fight jihad against u.s. troops in iraq. william studies terrorism. >> they both find an idealogue who was able to translate these believes or opinions and turn them into in this case, violent action. >> reporter: law enforcement separately in paris and boston had three of the four on radar. all flagged by federal agents or national security in the years leading to the attacks. in paris, cherif kouachi raised

a red flag to get to iraq by way of syria. three years later in 2008 he was found guilty of taking part in a paris based jihadi recruitment ring. he did not go to prison. french intelligence now telling u.s. officials one of the brothers may have traveled to yemen to train with al qaeda. both men run u.s. no-fly lists. in boston tamerlan tsarnaev was flagged by the fbi a year before he allegedly tried joining jihadi fighters. closed the case in 2011 for lack of evidence. a boxer and cherif a mediocre rapper. both dreamed of greatness, both failed. all appear to have remained on the fringes, never totally fitted in. >> individuals who are disenfranchised or disempowered violent organizations, violent causes often provide them with that sense of empowerment. >> reporter: all four motivated by anger.

cherif kouachi engaged in jihadi recruiting after seeing images abusing prisoners. dzhokhar saying it was in retaliation for muslim deaths at the hands of u.s. forces in iraq and afghanistan. >> it's common in jihadist propaganda for idealogues to use defensive jihad to mobilize people into these battlefields. >> reporter: two sets of brothers. two acts of terror. both meant to weaken but instead leaving two countries stronger. >> and

northeast of paris at this hour in the middle hours of the night. thank you for joining us. our breaking news coverage continues with anderson. well good evening everyone. it's 8:00 in the east coast united states. 2 a.m. here in paris.

many new developments even at this late hour in the pair of alleged killers, terrorists. two brothers suspected of murdering a dozen people here wednesday morning. here they are. said and che reef kouachi. both on the u.s. no fly list. one of whom may have trained with al qaeda in yemen. they are now the targets of a massive, massive manhunt involving tens of thousands of police and security personnel here in france. we've alr