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police in france on the hunt for a suspected female terrorist. french media reporting this. some hostages in the kosher market in paris survived by hiding in a refrigerator for five hours. joining me now, lieutenant colonel james reece, cnn military analyst, retired delta force commander. we are hearing abut this. in the refrigerator. also hearing reports that a father had his toddler inside the supermarket refrigerator as well. and employee who texted tactical information to police, from beneath a sink. survival methods, kick in. when this happens. for many people. they, they calm, cool, others become frazzled. >> big credits. don, you are right. it's fight or flight. big credits to the father grak his son. in a situation like best thing is to go. if you don't go, you could be dead. he decided to go. good call. >> you should leave first.

never get in the car with some one. never leave the original scene with some one. so your first response is the most important one. and in this particular situation you said that should be flight. >> yeah, don, you know. it's fight or flight. and when i say by, now you can either stand and fight and see what happens. or you try to get away. if a guy comes in with a gun. you are by yourself. you might as well try to got out of there. >> it its a split second decision. the people who were in -- in this market when it happened you. see many his talt in the beginning. they don't know what is going on. as soon as they, the split second that they realize that the, tactical officers are in there. they're out of there. very fast. one could only imagine the trauma that they are dealing with even at this moment. >> don, you know i have seen this before in other hostage rescues. families get to them. they have counselors there. but these people, they integrate back they have

traumatic event. they're glad to be home. >> this happens in a public place. you should get out of the way. i want to read this just coming in. this is what some of the people said. an employee of the kosher supermarket who speck oke to us after he escaped. we are having trouble. this is something else. sorry about that. he said, when we came upstairs running if i went towards the cold room. i opened the door. and many people got into the cold room with me. i switched off the light. and switched off the freezer. coulibaly asked us if all come upstairs otherwise he would kill everyone downstairs. i asked my colleagues, should we go upstairs or stay here. with me there was one person with a 2-year-old baby. when i switched the light off in the cold room. i closed the door the i told them, you stay calm.

i am the one who is going to go out. i took the elevator. went upstairs. and when i went upstairs. i looked on the left. then on the front. then on the right. and i saw no one. i started running i've saw the policeman. they told me to go down and put my hand on my head. this is just coming in. reading it as we are getting it here. to be able to give all of that matter of factually. this person had their wits about them. >> don, they did. you know what happens, when fear cuts in a chemical reaction. most people freeze. this guy had his wits. he had an understanding. he cam out. he just made the right call. you know, god bless him he did that. but he made the right call. >> is it smart not to obey what, what -- what the captors may be asking you to do? >> now, don if you are caught in that situation, and it's between you and the gun barrel, then the best thing for you to do is comply. and hopefully wait it out. then the assault force can get in. but again, who am i to say.

and who are you to say. whatever person comes up with, if they see a chance, just like we saw it in australia. a couple people, they saw that break in the door. they jumped up and ran out. good call. >> as we look, if we can put the video back up. i want to ask you about the individually. we talked earlier about it. you said it appears that some of the the gunfire going on. the people who were killed they may have been killed by the police officers, the hostages, i should say they may have been killed by officers trying to rescue them. >> now, don, i do not think. >> or shot by officers. >> no, i don't think any hostages were shot. i think those hostages, when you saw that front, that mechanical door coming up. you can see the gentleman. unfortunately. laying there on this back. >> you think the hostages had been killed before this happened. but, one or some of the officers if they were shot they may have been shot by their own men? or women? >> i do. if you look in the beginning there.

there is an officer on the left-hand side who literally rushes in. and then breaks right in front of his, of his partner who is shooting for him. and just masks his gun. lucky he didn't get shot in the back. >> looking, just a frozen shot of, one of, one of the captors trying to -- trying to, to run out. one of the shooters. why would they try to do that? is it just a last-ditch effort? i am going to fry to try to go a blaze of glory. does he think he can survive this? >> in the old days, hostage rescue forces were trained to shoot and the first thing to look for is hands. if there was nothing in their hands. that meant they were no threat. but, you know after 9/11 with suicide bombs and everything else. when ape threat comes running at you. you are a threat until you are down on the ground. you know i think the guy just, he, he, it was his last-ditch effort. he might have been out of ammunition. because like i said, the french police shot, i counted, 71 round

of ammunition. he might have been out of ammunition decide to just go for it. >> colonel james reece, thank you very much. breaking news here on cnn tonight. french media reporting some of the hostages in the kosher market in paris survived by hiding in refrigerators for five hours. did french intelligence miss warning signs of the deadly attack on "charlie hebdo"? a u.s. official tells cnn they were worried about a strike like this. so where might terrorists strike next? we will get answers when we come right back.

our breaking news tonight the hunt for a female terror

suspect in france. did french intelligence miss some warning signs. back with me now, cnn's global affairs analyst and contributor to "the daily beast." hello to you. thank you for joining us. as some one who communicates with potential terrorists, what do you think the next target could be? >> wow, that is a tough question. the reality is, they could pick from a number of places to the, to make targets. >> it could be anywhere? >> there are so many trajectories. you could be a copycat's inspiration. feeling emboldened by the, the success of the attack. not just, tactically, but, but in theater in the media. right? they're looking for the headlines. it is very easy to do. very easy to grab. and can be done at any time, really. >>

>>. kimberly, you have sources what are they telling you about french intelligence and how did they miss this? >> looking at which branch knew what, when did they know it? u.s. in tell jenls otelligence d me, they noticed internally focused agencies aren't communicating everything to external agencies the same way the cia and fbi didn't share information before the attacks of 9/11. so what this could be right now is a moment for those french officers to look at were we sharing everything we needed to share across the board? were there any signs that we missed that could have prevented this? >> kimberly, it's no not just, talking about this competition that concerns many people, especially officials, tonight, u.s. officials are telling cnn this week's attack demonstrate that the boundaries between, all of these affiliates are breaking, and, and now the

threat is spreading, what are they telling you about that? >> they are warning, different groups have been reaching out across the globe, trying to inspire people and that they have decided that al qaeda in the arabian peninsula and isis both have decided that, a plethora of the small scale attacks can get as much media attention as much funding and as many followers as the attacks of 9/11. you just need to throw more out there. look at this attack in paris on the magazine. it was fairly low-tech. with about a day's training, you could have the kind of expertise you need to open fire on victims at close range. so, all -- al qaeda and the arabian peninsula had to do if they're clearly responsible for this. give one brother training many years ago. give him the idea of what to do and huh ow to do it. then wait for him to declare a time and place.

>> uh-huh. you know there were new statements, you know from the fbi, department of homeland security. state department, all of, warnings, and, different messages. and realistically though. what can the united states do to protect itself against this type of terror? look it is going to be impossible to stop every single act. if there is an individual who is keeping quiet. who is off the grid. there is no signals, intelligence. no human intelligence. you are not going to be. don't have any eyes or ears on them. you are not going to find them. not going to stop them. the u.s. has the a, you know has two things working for it. not just, very robust, national security mechanism. but, resilience. i think among the people. the population. american muslims are well integrated. support from inside and outside is helping the u.s. >> kimberly, i want to ask you this. have weave really entered a new era of terror where it doesn't matter how many people you kill, but rather how many people watch

you do it. there are some who think the media is doing the terrorist bidding by playing this, running it as breaking news. is this a new era in that? >> you know, i have to say for as long as i have been covering attacks of terrorism, it is a" you ask yourself every time you put the pictures on the air. you know, you know that you are in part spreadi ining the messa doing the terrorists job and doing their recruiting for them. at the same time the attacks are happening. we have a spent to, not just report the violence, but also the underlying causes. >> i have got the leader of the catholic league condemns at take on "charlie hebdo." but says muslims have a right to be angry. phil donahue is criticized for blaming the victim thousands. i will talk to him about that next. music: melodic, calm music.

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>> bill, muslims are right to be angry. here's what you write. you said those who work at this newspaper have a long and disgusting record of going way beyond the mere lampooning of public figures. especially true of their depictions of religious figures. you go on to say, it is too bad that he didn't, too bad that he

didn't understand the role he played in his tragic death. in 2012 when asked why he insults muslims he said muhammad is not sacred to me. had he not been so narcissistic he would not still be alive. sound look you are blaming the victim. >> had he had any brains he would know that you don't keep, taking the, the red, the red flag and throwing it into the bull's face. now who is responsible? the muslim thugs are responsible. all right. let me make that very clear. and i unequivocally condemn this. not going to claim these guys are virgins, provocateurs, pornographers. >> had he not been so narcissistic he may still be alive. >> he would not be dead if he exercised a measure of restraint. an explanation. not justification for what the thugs did. >> respectfully it sound like both, a justification of sorts

for what went on here. we are talking individuals who made their living with magic markers, pens, pencils, not with guns and knives. i don't think it requires the sort of explanation that my friend is willing to offer. >> you are getting lots of blow back for this. >> yeah, as well as from conservatives as well. >> you are not making conservatives or liberals happy these days? >> no, not in a. alert contest. here to tell the truth. the country suffers from a deficit of receive strant strai. if they exercise restraint and reinterpreted freedom not in a sense to do whatever the hell you went. then people like him wouldn't be dead. >> what about free speech? >> freedom of speech is not an absolute to begin with. there are all kind of exceptions to freedom of speech. libel, slander, harassing phone calls and the like. freedom, speech is one, one thing. but look, freedom of speech is the means to an end. the end is the makings of the good society.

>> go ahead, michael. i dent lion't like much of what. people say horrific things about me on line. goes with the territory. but by bill's standard. it almost seems look you are giving somebody a pass to go after bill mahr or jackie mason. dangerous when you try to -- >> this is filth, not mel brooks. no role for it in civilization. why deon't they exercise self censorship. >> st. peter was a rabbit. and a rabbit should be pope. >> kill him. >> what? >> he goes against the church. he must die. >> all right, that does it, bill, i am pretty sure killing jesus is not very christian. >> you are soft. weak. you leave me no choice. take them. >> what are you doing? >> i am the pope. >> you are no longer able to fulfill your duties to the lord. >> you are saying throw jesus in

the jail. you are laughing now. how is this different than "charlie hebdo"? >> because jesus killed me in the end. >> how is this different than "charlie hebdo"? >> i think that is a lot of fun. interesting when that happened. trey parker, one of the co-creators with matt stone, talking about me and complaints and the like. this is the sad commentary. he was honest. if catholics dent like the way we depict catholics on south park then they can act violently like the muslims they don't have to worry. this is what is wrong with people like him. the only motivator to decency its fear. that's the answer. >> sound like, freedom of speech, freedom of expression as long as speech and expression, as long as you agree with it? >> people said you should sue them for libel they didn't have your permission. i got a kick out of it. like animated version of being roasted. if i don't like it as a public figure i would get out of the business. i have no problem. >> the catholic church, they're no stranger to this.

>> one thing we would agree. i think the catholic church. i am a cafeteria catholic. he is the real deal. take a little. leave a little behind. i would argue the catholic church gets victimized the most. >> didn't you think satire is a way to bring to light many key truths. >> truth in jest my parents said. in raising me. i think that is appropriate in this instance. >> i have seen you and you could be comedic. i have never seen you insult people. never seen a mean spirited thing out of you. i have seen it out of jon stewart, out of bill maher. a big difference, people like you and people like them. >> meaning? >> meaning they're mean. when you have jon stewart going on tv showing a naked woman with her legs spread and an emblem, picture of the holy family between her legs and they laugh at it and have a good time. he is not the friend of freedom. he is an enemy of freedom. off awe bill donahue, thank you. >> we'll be right back. >> thank you. >> thank you.

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>> i'm don lemon thank you for watching to night and this week. i'll see you back here next week. our live coverage continues now >> and thank you, don. thank you all for joining us for our continuing coverage. and hello to our viewers in the u.s. and around the world. i'm natalie allen. >> i'm errol barnett. french police carry out two separate and simultaneous raids in and around paris. three terrorists are killed after an intensive manhunt and a violent shootout. >> but at this hour, a female, this woman, is still on the run. she's a suspect. we'll tell you about her and what we're learning about her past coming up here. >> all this as france shows its resolve, determined to stand together against the detdly terror that's gripped the city