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>> i'm don lemon thank you for watching to night and this week. i'll see you back here next week. our live coverage continues now >> and thank you, don. thank you all for joining us for our continuing coverage. and hello to our viewers in the u.s. and around the world. i'm natalie allen. >> i'm errol barnett. french police carry out two separate and simultaneous raids in and around paris. three terrorists are killed after an intensive manhunt and a violent shootout. >> but at this hour, a female, this woman, is still on the run. she's a suspect. we'll tell you about her and what we're learning about her past coming up here. >> all this as france shows its resolve, determined to stand together against the detdly terror that's gripped the city for days now.
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>> we begin this hour right there in paris where police and security forces kill three terrorist suspects while one remains on the run. it happened in two separate gun battles that went down at the same time. >> really was a stunning turn of events that we all witnessed in one, brothers che ri f and said kouac hi, they were killed outside a print shop. at the same time at a separate location, amadil coulibaly, he took feel hostage inside a kosher supermarket in the french capital. the french prosecutor said he killed four hostages there. police then killed the man when they raided the store, bringing the standoff to a violent end. [ gun fire ]
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>> police say coulibaly's girlfriend was also involved. this is her. in the killing of the policewoman. she remains on the run at this hour. authorities have found evidence linking coulibaly and the kouachi brothers. officials say the wife of cherif kouachi and the girlfriend of coulibal y exchanged over 500 e-mails. >> more troubling information emerging as the hours move on. >> french police and security forces as we mentioned stormed both locations at nearly the same time. how it all unfolded. >> reporter: two tense standoffs in two parts of the city. the first in a printing shop? the northeast, another in a kosher grocery in the east. f
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parisians holding their breaths for hours. authorities were waiting for their moment. several loud explosions, gun fire, and in a flash, near simultaneous raids bring two hostage standoffs to a rapid and a violent end. the first standoff near charlotte de gaulle airport, the assailant, the kouachi brothers. cherif kouachi in the middle of it all answers a call from a french television station. we are just telling you, we are the defenders of prophet mohammad. i was sent, me cherif kouachi by al qaeda in yemen. the result there summed up in a tweet by the french ambassador to the u.s. quote, the two terrorists are dead. the hostage in alive. those two terrorists, the same brothers whose attack at the offices of charlie hebdo magazine on wednesday left 12 dead and began a fence, riveting three days of attacks, manhunts and hostage taking.
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a witness describes his nervous encounter this morning with one of the terrorists. >> translator: we were standing in front of the door to the factory. i shook the hand of the owner and the terrorist. he introduced himself as a policeman. >> just minutes after the first raid in east paris, we witnessed a second operation live on cnn's air. >> now i'm hearing gun fire. multiple shots, automatic fire i'm going to start speaking just so you can hear it as well as i am. it's continuing. another explosion. >> reporter: an untold number did not survive. the hostage taker dead. his companion escaped in the confusion. both were wanted in the fatal shooting of a police officer in paris on thursday.
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that attack just a few hundred feet from a jewish school. and on friday with chopper shop preparing for the jewish sabbath, witnesses described a terrifying scene. >> translator: we heard someone scream, in french, i think, then in arabic. that was followed by the arrival of the police officers and they started to get down, hide behind cars and they started exchanging fire. >> reporter: a western intelligence sources said amadi was a close associate of the younger kouachi brother as soon as 2010. just one of the mysteries of a violent three days here in the city of lights. >> it's now 6:00 a.m. in paris. isa soares join us live from outside the kosher market. jim described the end of that siege, what he witnessed, battles in iraq. the french president calling this an anti-semitic attack.
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and you watch that footage of the hostages being able to be released when all of that gunfire is going around is completely gripping. what is the scene like now? >> yeah, good morning, errol. you wouldn't expect something like this in the streets of paris, would you? it's absolutely frightful. i think for many, many hours as we watched this unfold, the city was on edge, even, you know, until 10:00. that's when local time here, that's when we actually saw things return to normality, if you can call it that as such. but, you know, soon after, about 10:00 p.m. yesterday, we started seeing the pair kads coming off. we started seeing streets being opened. and things returning to normal, although that area had been closed off. it was still cordoned off. we did see late hours last night, forensic teams with all their white gear analyzing the scene in great detail. with the people i've been speaking to, you know, when i
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asked them yesterday is this, you know, we've heard they're calling this anti-semitic attack, what do you say? the jewish people say to me, no, this was an attack on jewish, also on muslims, on parisians. so many people defiant to the very end. but of course, we're reminding viewers that the woman is still on the loose. many people bewirlded to be completely honest with you, errol, how she managed to escape. and i think that will surprise many. we do not know many details about exactly what happened. given it was such a small -- i mean, there was one big door. no other way to escape. we have learned -- and that's very interesting, i think, in the last few hours -- from one of the people that was inside and from our french affiliate that apparently the gentleman in there, he tried to get people out with a freight elevator.
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but people so scared. about 15-plus people in there. they were so scared. so he said let's all hide in the freezer room and that's what they did. they hid for five hours. and that really gives you a sense of, you know, how nervous, how frightful it was all inside that store, that kosher store. errol? >> and isa, even though this is a kosher supermarket, it's frequented by people of many backgrounds. we all watched this and think, well, that could have been me while i was shopping, you know, randomly targeted like that. it is strange, too, when we watch the footage of the hostages being released out of that narrow door during a dramatic moment to know that the 26-year-old did somehow escape. i'm wondering how people in that are neighborhood feel knowing that. will the stores there stay closed? what are the prospects of just getting on knowing that this woman could very well be out there? >> yeah.
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lots of questions being asked, exactly, about how she escaped. but things will return to normal. people yesterday i was speaking to, they were absolutely frozen, absolutely frozen in silence, listening to every word that was being said on tv, errol. so people, i think, too frightful to say anything. in a stage of shock. but as things develop in the next couple of hour, we get a sense of exactly how parisians feel. what's incredible is what we had from jim earlier as well. it's not just how it all unfolded but almost like, this is a war scene. and we're starting to learn just about the weapons cache that the guy had in there.
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and i just got in here so i could give you a rough idea. we were told that he had -- this is an arsenal of weapons, abc -- absolutely astonishing. he had an automatic weapon, he had a .9 millimeter pistol in there. he had 15 sticks of dynamite. so you can see, armed to the t. so it really shows his intention. we also had reports from our affiliate that the owner of the kosher shop apparently recognized the attacker. apparently he went to the store a day before. so all this information starting to come in. we're starting to get a better picture of the events that led up to this very, very tragic and very difficult day here in the streets of paris. errol? >> at the very least, there is information and important details that officials and police can work from as they investigate the fourth suspect now on the loose. isa soares, live for us in
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paris. we'll continue to check in with you over the next few hours as this story progresses. natalie 1234. >> thank you. and as we mentioned, as police moved in there to that grocery store, they were also moving in in to an area, an industrial area near charles de gaulle airport where they brought down these two brothers. our senior national correspondent jim bitterman is covering that part of the story for us. and he joins us now from the very area where this happened. and jim, it's really unreal that they brought this man down in the grocery store and they brought these two very dangerous men down as well. what can you tell us about how they did it? >> absolutely. natalie, the streets are quiet this morning unlike yesterday morning just about this time. a little later than this. the two brothers got into a gun fight just outside of town with police. one of them was slightly injured and they abandoned their car and
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ran into this printing plant, which is on the outskirts of town. and holed up there for the entire day. i just want to show you, natalie, some of the recent video that's just come out that shows the violence of that assault that was simultaneous with the assault on the kosher supermarket. here's a look at what happened. [ gun fire ] you can see on that video posted on youtube that this was, in fact, quite a violent assault indeed. a lot of shooting that went on. and at the end of it, the two brothers were dead. one of the things that we have learned since is that, in fact, the police had an inside source, in fact, an employee of the
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printing plant who was inside and apparently unknown to the two brothers and was on his cell phone throughout most of the day yesterday. giving police advice about where the brothers were and the fact that they had -- one of them had been wounded. so that must have helped a great deal in terms of the -- in terms of what the police had to calculate with simultaneously with that kosher supermarket. >> it's very interesting that there was somebody holed new that grocery store that helped police. same thing in this situation thankfully this elite corps of police were helped as well. you know, jim, you lived in paris for a long time. you've been reporting from paris for a long time. just want to get your perspective on the feeling around there now. i mean, many analyst we've had on for hours and hours said this is the cancer that was spreading. this was bound to happen and here we are.
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i don't think jim can hear me. all right, jim, thanks very much. jim bitterman for us there live for us. the place where these two brothers are no more because of the police actions. we'll be analyzing more about the reaction on why and how and what next as we push on here. a lot of coverage throughout the next several hours. we are learning more about what drove the kouachi brothers to go on their deadly rampage, including their links to jihadi groups. >> coming up, one may have crossed paths with a well-known al qaeda terrorist. we're going to investigate that angle of this story after this the break. out of 42 vehicles...
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>> welcome back. the flench prime minister admits there were failures in the country's security and surveillance measures allowing the terrorist rampage that left 17 people dead over the past three days. now, emanuel vohls said intelligence agencies need to investigate how the main suspects fell through the cracks after being linked to al qaeda in yemen. he also vowed france would fight terrorism and not islam.
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>> translator: this is a war against terrorism. this is not a war against religion. this is not a war between civilizations. this is a war of democratic values, universal values. sunday's national march and other world leaders. >> as pentagon correspondent barbara starr reports, intelligence agency scrambled right now to figure out if there are operatives waiting to attack the west. >> during 2011 is, cherif kouachi received more than just weapons training.
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>> it tells me that he had access to senior levels of the squall organization in yemen. who else had access? was he there with somebody? did he travel there with somebody else? number two, it tells me that alawki was in touch with 350e78 we didn't know about. >> reporter: the working assumption is that kouachi met with anwar al-awaki who led external operations. it would have been just months before he was killed in a drone strike. >> the u.s. is also trying to determine if kouachi may have even met with ibrahim al-asiri, aqap's bomb maker, according to u.s. officials. >> with a french passport he was a prime aqap recruiting target.
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>> hours before said died his younger brother cherif told french media he, too, traveled there. >> translator: i was sent, me, cherif kouachi to al qaeda in yemen. i went al alawaki financed my trip. >> reporter: cnn has not confirmed the authenticity of the recording. the connections are critical because officials say it may gave them hints if the al qaeda organization has other operatives in the west waiting to attack. >> let's talk more in depth now about the issue of radicalization our next guest
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joins us now via web cam. thanks for staying up late for us on cnn after providing so much insight during the day. what do you make of what can be done here? this is way more than the lone wolf style attacks we saw recently in canada and australia, you know, that connection. cherif saying that al awlaki financed his trip. >> well, the kouachi brothers showed up on the french radar in the early 2000s. at that time, they knew that they were radicalizing, they knew that they were a problem. they knew that the older brother cherif had met with a known radical in france who had been in prison. they had so many red lights that could have stopped this attack.
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intelligence didn't work. they had the information. they could have done more, and this has to be seen as a major intelligence failure. >> one comment we keep hearing is that there's just not enough manpower and that they do have to make a judgment call as they decide how many people they dedicate to suspects. do you feel that there was in this judgment call, of course, now it's completely wrong, but how would you know that ahead of time? >> that's simply not true, er l errol. the french media has now come out with the interrogations of the cherif kouachi back in 2008, and he simply would not respond to any of the police questions. he was just silent. he didn't address them as officials of the state. he had become so radicalized in prison that he no longer recognized legitimacy of the state. this should have let off red lights among the french intelligence officials that this is a guy that cannot be let out of the country, that we have to
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have under constant surveillance. >> so why do you feel that those red flags were ignored? and how can the rest of the world then learn from what's happened here? >> well, we don't understand exactly how french intelligence works in america. we know how the fbi anticipate the cia works, but they have different systems in france. they have much more people to look at. remember, the arabs in france make up about 10% of the population or more than 6 million. you have to believe that there are much more radicals in that country than there are in america. request that said, they have to have more vej lens and this was a case of lax vigilance. we believe the yemeni government gave the united states information about the kouachi brothers, that they were on a no-fly list. if the americans knew this then the french should have known this. >> so you do place a lot of the blame on french officials who should have done more earlier. but what about before all of
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this? you spent time in southern france. there's a lot of north african immigrants trying to assimilate. what is life like for them? are there things that should be done to include them more perhaps? >> errol, i spent a lot of time in southern france. i lived there. i was on a research grant to study arab alienation. basically the largest arab population in france is located in the south. they're completely alienated from the government. there's large widespread discrimination in france that is much larger than the discrimination and prejudice against blacks in america. i would ask people in the villages how the situation is they would say the situation is bad ever since they came in. they meaning the arabs. they had taken over the center of the village. they live off the state. these are ideas and gripes that i heard constantly from the french. and on the other side, they
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believed the cards were stacked against them. they can't progress in french society, that they cannot get jobs in society. and a lot of them spend their days sitting in caves smoking hashish and just la meanting their plight. >> it's a massive issue not just in france but in other nations, the manner in which immigrants or people who have heritage overseas are treated. certainly one situation we'll watch closely. research fellow at the new america foundation joining us from web cam from washington, d.c. late tonight. thanks very much. >> and of course, the situation that he just described perhaps is what caused what occurred here in paris this week. we'll have more on the shootouts in paris, including a look at the small town shut down by authorities as they ushered schoolchildren to safety. that's next. why do we do it? why do we spend every waking moment, thinking about people? why are we so committed to keeping you connected?
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stores shut down, people were told to stay inside and police evacuated students to safety. minutes later, explosions and gunfire echoed through the streets. we have reaction to the frightening siege. >> reporter: the day began in a french town. worried parents rushed to get their children locked down inside school classrooms just meters from the site of the standoff with the kouachis. there's an elementary school right here. we're seeing a flurry of activity by police to evacuate those children. they caught several buses and a
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police escort. the children came out in twos and three, clutching the hands of their teacher, so small a police officer had to lift them into the waiting bus. as he waits, teddy does not know how he will explain this to his 5-year-old son. >> they saw the policemen and it's like a war here. so i don't know. i don't know what i'm going to explain to him. >> reporter: at the home just behind the office under siege, an eerie quiet. around the corner here are police. they do not want us to go any further. they do not want us to film there. we did go into this home right here and talk to the owner. we could see from there the building, but we can't see what's taking place inside. now they've asked all the residents to come in, close their windows and doors. pretty much this area is on
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lockdown. by late afternoon the last children were evacuated from safety, but minutes later, this. gr [ gun fire ] automatic gun fire, explosions, then silence. both suspects dead. the employee trapped inside safety freed just as the sun set. but it will be a long time before life here returns to normal. >> returning to normal after that. easier said than done. people go on with their lives. but i think right now they're in shock. >> it will take some time for sure. >> as police scramble to track down the remaining terror suspect, though -- >> we are dig into her past and her connection with one of the hostage takers. she's still on the loose right now. we'll get you the latest information after this short break. sheila! you see this ball control? you see this right? it's 80% confidence and 64% knee brace.
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three suspects killed friday in two different police raids that went down at the same time. the two brothers behind the "charlie hebdo" attack were killed outside a print shop northeast of the city. a third suspect was killed at a kosher grocery store after a shootout. >> this is by no means over. the search is currently under way for the woman he lived with. hayat boumeddiene is a suspect in the killing of a policewoman. four four hostages were killed but a french prosecutor tells cnn that may have happened before the police raid. two officers were, in fact, injured. >> now, we are learning more information ant the 26-year-old female suspect on the run from police. she was apparently the girlfriend of the hostage taker there at the kosher market.
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cnn's alexander field tells us more about hayat boumeddiene. >> she may have the most wanted woman in france, the only suspect standing after a three-day reign of terror in paris. her alleged accomplice killed when police raided the kosher grocery store where he took more than a dozen hostages, killing four of them. new photos reveal more of their shared past. published by french newspaper lamond, the pictures appear to show her in 2010 in southern france. boumeddiene in a burka and yielding a cross bow. this man identified as bagal, once known as the premier european recruiter. coulibaly had no connections.
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boumeddiene has had over 500 calls with cheri kouachi's companion. >> are there any other co-conspirators out there that she may be trying to link back up with. >> lamond reports that she was interviewed by counterterrorism police in 2010. the newspaper says she started with a relationship with coulibaly the same year and that last spring she met him outside prison when he was released following a four-year sentence. the two reportedly lived together and traveled to malaysia. >> this woman does not have much to lose, so to speak. if hero manhattanic partner has just been killed, if her life as a free civilian is likely over in france, she can't access the capability to conduct another attack, that's certainly well within the cards. >> french and u.s. authorities are now sharing intelligence, hoping to track her down. alexandra fields, cnn, new york. >> well, at least one of the terror suspects told a cnn affiliate he belonged to isis. there have also been links to al qaeda as we've been reporting.
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joined now by cnn national security analysis bob behr. hello again. thank you for being with us. i want to start off by asking you about the links that perhaps both brothers had. we know that they had been on watch lists, had been very -- well, had been in prison, had met with the leader of al qaeda in the arab peninsula. so what do you make of what investigators knew about them and the fact that they ended up here? >> we're going to find out there were mild links, once we start get into data analytics, you will see connections that no one ever suspected. that's the problem with data analytics is that it's after the attack occur it's not capable of predicting an attack. i think all the suspects here
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had gone underground preparing for this attack. they weren't up on phones. they weren't at mosques, they weren't meeting other known al qaeda members. they fell off the french screen and they carried out this attack. these people are not stupid. now, the question is whether it was directed from the outside. but normally, al qaeda doesn't need to, you know, give instructions and orders from one of its centers, like in yemen and pakistan. >> what does this say about feeling more and more isolated attacks of people in the west, analysts refer to it more as a soft target. and that's a very, very difficult thing to protect yourself when it's just a police officer walking down the street they have been targets before,
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but still, someone had been saying to track people on known lists of being people to watch takes a lot of money, a lot of resources, and many, many people every day. >> well, there are hundreds of thousands of people, so it's millions of people, you can't track them all. you put surveillance on a single person would take 20 or 30 people. it just it's not possible. and unless they've been caught in a crime, there's not much you can do about them. and you can try to predict. but i think ultimately you will fail in what these people are using is the strength of weak links. and just as you said, you know, they're using a car to mao peop -- mow people down. they're getting weapons that are fairly easy to get in france now. they are on the united states. and they're getting directions from the internet, which are fairly general. you don't need to go back to yemen to get precise instructions. this isn't a military pip'm even
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bothered calling these people isis and al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. it's possible to go from one group to another. the main thing for them is too vet the people, give them a chance, put them on a battlefield so that when they're given an automatic weapon, they know how to use it. most people don't. they would just spray bullets in all directions. these people clearly knew what they were doing. they had been vetted. but to say this was a highly organized military attack, organized from the outside, i don't see it right now. but we'll have to wait and see. >> the head of france, mr. hollande said, warned france that they were not finished with the threats sof something like this. and from what all we've seen and what we've understood and heard about the west being concerned about those who have gotten
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training or just isolated from the community that this is perhaps something we're going to see for some time. >> i think we are. i think we're all failing to misthat france is an ally of the united states in the war on terror, just as britain is. these attacks aren't occurring in sweden or switzerland or even in china. but the fact is they're going to get hit. and this is the cost of the war. the mighting in mali had really concentrated al qaeda's attention on france. in addition to having regular recruits. again, it's easy to get weapons there. >> eel probably talk to you again as we learn more in the next few days. thank you, bob. coming up here even as an active manhunt consumes paris, a sign of sol lair diin the heart of
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but they've shown a sign of solidarity and determination. >> look at this right here. the french words for paris is charlie in the heart of paris. that's near where wednesday's attack took place. and as the french president said in a speech earlier, unity is the country's greatest defense. >> translator: i express myself to french people. this is our best weapon, unity that we must demonstrate our determination to fight against anything that can divide us. >> and mr. hollande will attend a national unity rally in paris on sunday. they're not wasting any time coming together.
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the prime ministers of britain, spain, italy and finland, it will honor the values and the freedom of expression that were represented. >> now friday night with international diplomatic cons consultant and international journalist about that rally and about what je suis charlie really means to the french. >> i don't know if our strewer es can say it but paris est charlie is projected here on the arc de triomphe here. so the city wants to show the world we are resilient. >> yeah. and it course responds to the message that they want to be delivered by president hollande, vigilance, but solidarity. a lot of european political leaders will come over.
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we have all europe all united. the message from president holland wants to convey. >> and i can't remember another tragic event where leaders of countries have converged on to a european capital like paris to show their support for a president. this is the biggest domestic price sis he's ever faced. >> i think all of them are very aware that the fact that they might be threatened too by terrorism. france has been the target and still will be the target because we could see, when you hear president hollande tonight, he was very careful. no triumph of. okay, the issue was okay despite of the fact that we had four or
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five people dead. but at the same time, i think he's very aware of the fact that his prime minister said it, too. we need to adapt. a new method to counter that new form of terrorism which is barbaric. and the problem -- >> what is the message? because you know what, the policing has been done. the surveillance has been done. in fact, it's angered people. by the way, french intelligence services are very good at keeping tabs on potential terrorists. they foil plots. they don't necessarily publicize it. but they do. how much more surveillance can a free society accept. how much more policing can it accept. what is the other solution here. >> we need to get far more arms to the police. the policeman that was shot by the two terrorists at only a small pistol. i think right now it's to strengthen the exchange of the information. because to watch the web more
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carefully. >> what's beyond policing, beyond arms, beyond surveillance. that's the question now. >> when we have these kinds of information you were alluding to about the signal concerning the two brothers, they were very dangerous. they were trained. they were in jail, they were out. how could they start again this kind of terrorist action? i think we have a problem. as i said many, many times, we have been very neglectful, too much lax, and now it's time to end this laxism. i think we have to modify our local terrorism in france. and there is one woman -- >> you know many people will disagree with you on this and they will say, we've done all those other things. we need to address a deeper issue in this country. >> we need to work more on prevention and not wait until the very end when it's a tragedy. and there's a lot of people --
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>> so many questions to be asked about what went down in paris, how to avoid it. one thing we do know is one person we believe got away. police in and around paris are searching for a woman that may have been involved in this week's terror attacks. this is her. according to a police spokesman she is believed to have been in that kosher grocery store. there are some reports she was there during friday's raid and she may have escaped. >> the issues are that other reports indicate she was never inside in the first place. so we're going to look for clarification on that. boumeddiene is accused in the shoot of course a police officer as well. she lived with coulibaly who was killed in the terrorist raid. >> it started with the deadly shooting at "charlie hebdo"
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magazine. >> and it ended with two separate raids by police where the terror suspects were killed. isa soares has this timetable of the tragic events. >> brazen, cold blooded and methodical demeanor, apparently trained. this amateur video taken of the "charlie hebdo" attackers as they fled shortly before noon on wednesday was among the starting points of what had become an unprecede unprecedented manhunt. >> police had a league on the suspects. one left his id in an abandoned car. >> it was a mistake. a single mistake. >> the search was on for kouachi, french citizens both on u.s. terrorist watch lists.
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one place said kouachi had lived. police detained at least nine people on thursday. the two gunmen are still at large. then on thursday, more terror as a policewoman was shot dead in a paris suburb. it would later emerge her killer was connected to the "charlie hebdo" suspects. a short time after the second shoot, the kouachi brothers were reportedly seen at a gas station. >>. >> translator: there was a man who told me apparently they left their car, went through the forest. don't go through the forest. don't go around the forest to avoid running into them. >> air and ground searchers were concentrated around the woods until the hunt became a siege. the two suspects holed up in a printing workshop with a hostage. >> we were standing in front of
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the door to the factory. i shook the hand of michel, the owner, and the terrorist. he introduced himself as a policeman. i then got into my car and left and michel the owner let the man into the factory. >> heavily armed police placed the town in lockdown as heavily armed police surrounded the scene and began negotiating with the brothers who told them they wanted to die as martyrs. then three hours later, a second siege unfolded in eastern paris. hayat boumeddiene and coulibaly were named as suspects in the killing of a policewoman. police had all key suspects sur rounded. three hours later, explosions and smoke. simultaneous confrontations led the two brothers responsible for the charlie hebdo attack dead.
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>> you're watching cnn live coverage. i'm natalie allen. >> i'm errol barnett. police and security forces kill three terror suspects while one remains on the run right now. this happened in two separate gun battles. that went down at the same time. >> and one of them, brothers said and cherif kouachi wanted in the "charlie hebdo" massacre were killed outside of a print shot. a friend of one of those brothers took people hostage inside a kosher supermarket in
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the french capital. the paris prosecutor said coulibaly killed four hostages there before police arrive. police then killed the suspect when they raided the store, bringing the standoff to a violent end. >> police say cowl cowl's girlfriend was also involved in the killing of a policewoman earlier this week. she's the one who remains on the run right now. authorities have found evidence linking coulibaly and the kouachi brothers. a paris official says the wife of cherif kouachi and coulibaly's gil friend exchanged some 500 phone calls last year.
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>> also you had today we're hearing from the yemeni government there may be a connection. >> 17 victims of the terrorists have died and one suspect remains on the loose as we just mention pd. >> and that dramatic police raid at the market, the kosher market unfolded just a few hundred yards from where our jim schuto was standing. he takes us through a day that left france gripped with fear. >> reporter: two tense standoffs in two parts of the city. the first in a printing shop in the northeast, another in a kosher grocery in the east. parisians holding their breath for hours. but authorities were waiting for their moment. several loud explosions, gunfire. and in a flash, near simultaneous waves brings two hostage standoffs to a vapd and a violent end. the first standoff near charles
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de gaulle airport. the assailants the kouachi brothers. one answers a call from a french television station. we are just telling you that we are the defenders of prophet mohammed. i was sent, me, cherif kouachi by kbaul in yemen. the result there is summed up in a tweet by the french ambassador to the u.s. quote, two terrorists are dead. the hostage is alive. is those two terrorists, the same brothers whose attack at the offices of charlie hebdo magazine on wednesday left is 12 dead and began an intense riveting three days of attack, manhunts and hostage taking. a witness describes his nervous encounter this morning with one of the terrorists. >> we were standing in front of the door to the factory. i shook the hand of the owner michel and the terrorist. he introduced himself as a policeman. >> just minutes after the first first raid in east paris, we
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witness the second operation live on cnn's air. >> now i'm hearing gun fire. multiple shots, automatic fire. i'm going to stop speaking there just so you can hear it as well as i can. it's conning. another explosion. >> an untold number did not survive. the hostage taker, dead. his companion hayat boumedienne escaped in the confusion. both were wanted in the fatal shooting of a police officer on thursday. that attack just a few hundred feet from a jewish school. shoppers were preparing for the jewish sabbath. witnesses describe a terrifying scene. >> we heard someone seem skrooem, in french, i think, then in arabic. that was followed by the arrival of police officers. then they started to get down,
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hide behind cars and exchange fire. >> amadi was a close associate of the younger brother since 2010. but the association since is unclear, just one of the mysteries from a violent free days here in the city of lights. >> we want to continue to connect with them over the next few hours. >> isa soares is outside the market in paris and jim bitterman is outside the print shop at charles de gaulle airport. the people that went through this and that grocery store what a terrifying ordeal. they're probably just dealing with the shock right now and the survivors glad to be home with their families. what are you hearing? >> good morning.
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you can't even imagine what they're actually going through. even people, what the people here watching were in a state of shock. remember, just worth reminding people how terrifying it must be for those who work inside living it themselves. i want to get our came cameraman to give you a snapshot of what we're seeing. we're much closer now. you will see, this is where it all unfolded. the last 30 seconds before you came to me, we had about ten police vans who were just covering that area. they've now just gone. there's only one police van, but still, police not even letting us cross to that side of the street. just goes to show that things are still very tense here in paris. but life around here is going to go on as normal.
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it's a very ordinary part of paris, very middle class. people wouldn't expect to see so many police in an attack like this, especially not in paris, at least. it almost was a war zone, so to speak. but natalie, it was absolutely shocking. it all happened so quickly. from the minute the police wept in. it took about a man and a half or so before they came out. we are learning, though that, you know one of the gentlemen that was holed up in there as a hostage, he tried to get people to escape via a freight elevator. people were so scared, though, to go, so scared they might get caught that he suggested they all hide in n a frinl for five hours. take a listen to this chilling account. is. >> translator: when i came down stairs running, i went towards the cold room.
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i opened the door and many people got into the cold room with me. i switched off the light and switched off the freezer. he asked us to come upstair, other wise he would kill everyone who's down sfarps i asked my colleagues what we thought. should we go upstairs or stay here? with me, there was one person with a 2-year-old baby. when i switched the light off in the cold room, i closed the door and told them, you stay calm. i'm the one who's going to go out. i took the elevator and went upstairs. when i went upstairs, i looked left, then i looked right and saw no one. i started running. i saw the policeman. they told me to go down and put my hands on my head. >> and, you know, we heard from the israeli government sources that told from the french government that 15 people were released, hostages were released. such a tense atmosphere that was unfolding yesterday here in the streets of paris.
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and people still quite tense for good reason, too. worth reminding everyone that the accomplice of hayat, she's still on the run. and, you know, we rear starting to learn about her past, her relationship with him, their relationship with the two brothers. and that is scaring many parisians. they're now asking where is she? could she have furtherer connections to this so-called jihadist cell? these questions still remain unanswered. this city still remains on edge. >> the resill yeps of people always says so much despite the tragic times. there was a report the paris synagogue was closed, first time since world war ii. but you had said, i just want to wrap up with you, you said when you interviewed people, they dependent say this was an attack on the jewish community.
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they showed solidarity and said this was an attack on patiencians, jewish people and muslims. they stuck together. that's nice to see. thank you so much for getting up early this morning and bringing us the latest. now over to errol. >> that's right with we stay now in paris and connect with jim bitterman, just north of the city, just outside of the city where the siege and the killing of the two main suspects took place. zwrim jim, when we were speaking this time yesterday, the rain was moving in, the officials were believed to have been closing in on the suspects and it all unfolded in quite a chaotic and confusing fashion. what do we know now about how these two men were cornered and i guess then killed? >> it's pretty interesting, things really have changed here, of course, in the last 24 hours. 24 hours ago. there was this gun fight.
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between the police and the two gunmen. one of them was slightly wounded and they abandoned their car. and on foot, they took refuge in this rather large printing complex that was nearby. and they then holed up in there. police surrounded the place and weren't going to let them go. all day long they talked to police and had various conversations during the day with the people on the outside. what we didn't know at the time, however, was inside the printing plant, one of the employees who may not even have known to the gunmen had hidden himself way way and, in fact, was on the cell phone, on his cell phone to police, giving them tips about where the two gunmen were and
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where the best places to storm the build might be. o. >> there was quite a violent attack. i just want to show you some of the video. [ gun fire ] >> you can see, it was a very violent assault. but no one accept for t-- excep for the two gunmen were killed on the spot. that put abend to the kouachi terrorism. it did not put an end, however, as isa was saying to the kind of concerns the french have about those attacks. >> and jim, the obvious question is how can something like this be prevented? but when we consider the fact that these two men were making
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phone calls as this was going down to police, even to a local tv station, and they also, it's understood, there were explosives found at both locations. what do we know about their back ground and how they came to this point? certainly as french officials recheck if they missed anything here. >> well, i mean, i think that question is going to be asked quite a bit over the few days. the french officials as it turns out knew quite a bit about these two guys. they had literally tens of thousands of panls of intercepts of self-intercepts of these two having conversations with various contacts in the middle east. they had photos of this terrorist cell that they apparently were a part of. they had just a lot of information that was not acted on, or was acted on up to a point, but then at some point abandoned because they didn't
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know about this plot that they were planning against "charlie hebdo." i think that question is going to be a serious one, but it's also raises the question, where do these folks come from? and, you know, in fact, that's something that is pretty common in france, disaffected young people who find the call of jihad more interesting than what they see around them in france. >> it's an issue that's not isolated. senior international correspondent jim bitterman joining us just outside paris. just past 7:00 there this morning. the topic that will dominate conversations for french investigators, what did they miss? how could they have done more? and what could be done to prevent this in the future. >> right now, though, three suspects are dead. one is on the run and it's a woman. >> we're going to bring you the latest information on continuing investigation and hunt for the
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>> and apparently she was the girlfriend of the hostage taker at the kosher market. the key question is now, of course, just how dangerous is she by herself? brian todd reports. >> reporter: it's now her face alone on wanted posters. police say she's an accomplice of a suspected terrorist amadi coulibaly who is connected to the two brothers who attacked "charlie hebdo" magazine. there's now a massive dragnet for boumedienne. >> they're going to set up a series of checkpoints. this suspect is going to try to find someone who can help her. >> a western intelligence source says she lived with coulibaly and the two once travelled to malaysia together. >> we don't know if she was involved for some type of cover
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or more likely because she was radicalized along with her boyfriend and got sucked in. cnn cannot independently verify the authenticity of the photos. lamonde reports she once told police they practiced firing cross bows in the country side of central france as apparently shown in these pictures. she mb in a relationship since 2010 according to lamonde, and she was interviewed by counterterrorism police that same year. analysts say while the number of female jihadists are grow, their male counterparts still consider them valuable cover. you don't appear to be a lone, young, angry man. you're walking with a woman.
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>> there were more than 500 phone calls made between boumidienne and the wife of cherif kouachi. >> let's get the latest on the search for her now. ken, thank you for joining us. let's talk about what sort of strategy investigators and analysts are using to try to find this woman right now. >> the main one is they're using all sorts of intelligence. they have cast a wide net for every type of low-level source that they have. the most important part of this whole theatre of terrorism that we're seeing is really the main objective. the main objective of this is to
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have reactions from the west. >> as i observed it, i don't think we can really call this a deeply planned al qaeda planned attack. this is what we call leaderless resistance, where they call for lone wolves to come out and they ufr different types of training on the internet that nel teles them how to carry out different types of attack thence encourages them to do so. it helps their recruitment and retention. but i don't know i would personally say this is something like on 9/11 where there was enormous planning and training for years. >> right. some people have said that. we've had others on our air the past few hours who says look, it takes maybe a day to learn to fire a high-powered weapon and shoot people from close range. we had other people say there weren't shots flying everywhere. they seemed to have traping. but either way, the trend seems to be with the extremists to try to get these people who have fallen through the tracks to go
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out and do some terror on what they call soft targets. so the question is, how does intelligence come together and countries cooperate to try to look for these thousands of people who might be on a watch list and figure out what soft targets they may be pointing to next. >> one of the things law enforcement does is try to identify any type of place where there's going to be a mass of people. we call them special security events in the united states like large football games or historic events where people gather together and celebrate. an event that's getting ready to happen is going to be when all of these world leaders come together and march in paris. we've seen for yore years now they attack, wait for the
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funeral then attack the funeral. it's very hard to predict a soft target. it's where the population lives. these jihadists want to move amongst the people and that's how they survive. but the case for the west has got to be to not demonize a religion. because terrorism doesn't have a religion. this is terrorism as a tactic. this plays into their long-term strategy of dividing the west and the populations. especially the disaffected youth all over europe. >> we certainly appreciate your expertise. thank you very much. that's a point that many have made and we appreciate you reiterating it for us ken robinson for us. thanks so much. >> very good point there that bears repeating. terrorism is not a religion. not a single religion. terrorism is a trackities in and
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>> people were told to stay inside, police evacuated, some schoolchildren to safety. minutes later, explosions and gun fire rang out. we have reaction to the siege and looking out for those children. >> the day began with police flooding a tiny town. worried parents rushed to get their children locked down inside school classrooms. just mere meters from the site of the police standoff. there's an elementary school right here. we're seeing a flurry of activity by police to try to evacuate those children to safety as soon as possible. there are several buss and a police escort. >> the children came out in twos and threes clutching the hands of their teachers, so small a
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police officer had to lift them into the waiting bus. as he waits, teddy says he does not know how he will explain this to his 5-year-old son. >> at the home just behind the office of the siege, an eerie quiet. around the corner here are police. they do not want us to go any further. they do not want us to film there. we did go into this home right here and talk to the owner. we could see from there the building but we can't see what's taking place inside. now they zd all the residents to come in, close their windows and doors. pretty much this area is on lockdown. by late afternoon, the last children were evacuated to safety. but minutes later -- this.
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it shooting stopped just before sunset, but it will be a long time before life here returns to normal. >> after three days of terror, there are security forces killed, the "charlie hebdo" suspects outside a print shop. >> but what might have driven these two orphan brothers to commit such acts of terror. plus a live report on the suspect's terror connections. stay with us. the volkswagen golf was just named motor trend's 2015 car of the year. so was the 100% electric e-golf, and the 45 highway mpg tdi clean diesel. and last but not least, the high performance gti.
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>> welcome back to our viewers. >> three suspects were killed friday in two different police rasds. if you're just joining us perhaps and you haven't heard about this development, the two brothers behind the charlie hebdo attack were killed inside a print shop where they were holed up and hiding. a third suspect was killed a kosher market during a hostage standoff in another part of the city south. he was suspected in the shooting death of a police officer in another part of the the city on thursday. >> but none of this is over. right now the search is under way for the woman that he lived with. hayat boumeddiene is a suspect in a female police officer's death earlier this week.
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there were reports that she was inside the market during a raid initially, but right now, that information is unclear. four of the hostages were killed, but a french prosecutor tells cnn that may have happened before the actual police raid. two officers were injured in the ordeal as well. >> terror suspect coulibaly said he took hostages at that kosher market because jewish people were his target. >> coulibaly, as we said, was killed in the police raid on that market, but he called into a tv station while it was all unfolding. or really, he called into a tv station first before the raid took place to discus his plans.
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>> that's right. we take a closer look at the brothers and their parent journey to jihad. >> around a decade ago in the 1th century of paris, two orphaned brother best gan their journey to so h ca-called jihad path to terror seemed to have differed. little is known about said, the elder of the two. other than he traveled a few years ago to yemen. meeting terror groups there. cherif went to rap-loving hipster to radical. that video was made in 2004. not long after, his life changed course. it was at this mosque, now you should reconstruction. he met and studied under a terrorist who recruited him as a foreign fighter. he was arrested and convicted as he was trying to leave france to
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fight in iraq. but despite links that later emerged to the recruitment ring, cherif was released for time already served in 2008. he seemingly fell off the intelligence radar. this mainstream mosque in northern paris is where cherif last worshipped along with 2,300 others. we're told he wasn't even among those who are particularly devout. for the bag events, he preferred to come here. said this representative. five minutes away, cherif's residents, this building. apartment 143. the one neighbor on his floor who answered the door in no mood to talk. few are. another resident who lived on the third floor did not want to appear on camera but he did say he saw cherif on a number of occasions with his wife. she was dressed in full garb with just her eyes showing.
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they were fairly discrete, keeping to themselves, but on few occasions they heard loud voices from the apartment. at the local ke bob shop down the block, these men all said they were shocked when they saw cherif's picture on tv, describing him as polite, exhibiting no signs of his radical views. one man said he remembers him helping elderly women with their groceries. the brothers are the exact kind of jihadis western intelligence fears, one that doesn't look or act like the stereotypical terrorist, perfectly concealing a murderous mind. >> all three of the terrorist suspects killed in france were plooefously known to security officials as having terrorist ties. when u.s. officials say these attacks demonstrated somewhat a degree of so fist caution not normally seen in other attacks by so-called lone wolves which the fbi doesn't like that terms.
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>> to look at what this does mean, star actually stands for the national center for the study of terrorism and responses to terrorism. what should we make of what these two men were claiming before this unfolded? one said he was linked to isis, i think it was the man in the kosher market. the other brother saying we're getting direction from al qaeda in the arabian peninsula based in yemen. a bit of inconsistency there. what should we read into that? as the investigation unfolds further, what we'll see more of is they've been saying for quite some time to attack where you are, do what you can where you can. it's not really surprising that that would happen.
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the claim linked to isis, that's an interest thing i want to see a little more data on. >> you have questions as to what that really means and it's true. >> someone can say they are affiliated. someone can make a lot of claims and with any driend of investigation, we want to really see what kind of evidence bears that out. and that still remains to be determined. >> europe is tasked with trying to figure out what to do with these people that are highly suspicious that have gone to these other countries and have come back and how much you watch them. it is a lot, a lot of minuscule work to try to prevent things like this. >> it is. i would stay one of the things we do have to watch out for is using labels like calling it a cancer. something that really kind of,
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you know, casts it in these sort of terms. there's a kind of moral hazard of that that i think we need to be mindful of. while it is a huge problem that we need to work hard to get out in front of, what we don't want to do is really cast it as this kind of, they're evil, they're crazy sort of perspective which then makes it a lot harder to really understand what the driving factors are. kind of the processes, how people get involved and how this kind of happens and materializes. >> so then how do we understand what the trigger is here? because some of the other experts we've talked to say that have there's a similar story with many north african immigrants in france and other european nations where they don't feel welcome. these men, when they were younger pyred to be typical before being radicalized. what is it then would turn -- in other countries too -- a seemingly normal person into a radical who wants to take on a jihad. what are we fighting here? >> there are many motivations. there's multiple motivations.
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you have to understand a bit more about the process. how this happens. there's influence in between these brothers materialize 37d we can look at the boston marathon bombers as kind of a more recent example that's kind of burned in all of our memories. there are thing wes need to pay attention and learn from as this unfolds as well. >> are you surprised there's a woman involved now? >> not at all. this is an important point. she's the one who got away. women are actively involved in terrorism, and to not recognize that i think is done at our peril. you know, and there is this potential. and i think this really highlights that point quite starkly. >> it absolutely does. thank you so much. you're an investigators with the national center of the study of terrorism and responses to terrorism. we're turning to a lot of people like you to help us understand and figure out where to do we go
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from here. really appreciate you coming in. >> thank you for coming in so late as well. >> or early. >> now many people within the muslim community include the leaders of hezbollah are outraged at the terror in france. . >> violent, inhuman and brutal practices offended the messenger of god, prophets of god, the book of alaa and the muslim nation more than his enemies did. even those who have attacked the messenger of god through books depicting the prophet or making films depicting the prophet or drawing cartoons of the prophet.
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>> u.s. officials say they've been expecting this. this is like the war on drugs, this isn't going to stop. >> and the head of britain's mi-5 echoed the same sentiment in a rare public statement. he said the number of deadly plots has gone up. they've oven been the work of volatile officials rather than groups. this is not the first time an apparent cultural clash has fuelled violence either. >> we've seen the number of attacks in the past decades.
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martin savage looks back at why. >> bomb-striked commuter trains in madrid kill 131 people. spanish authorities blame an al qaeda-inspired terrorist cell. may 2013. a british soldier is hacked to death on a busy london street in broad daylight. his two attacker, muslim converts, claiming an eye for an eye. and paris, 2015. just three examples of three different european countries seeing the same sort of terror. the question is why. >> there have been these seismic changes on the continent, culturally, racially, political politically. one author and religious scholar says europe has seen a huge influx of immigrants, many poor, minority and muslim, causing a grew growing number of europeans to feel culturally threatened. and this is one reaction, anti-muslim sentiment. last month in germany, thousands
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marched in this anti-muslim protest in dresden. tensions among the muslim an nonmuslim populations in europe have reached a boiling point. while the vast majority of muslims want nothing to do with the fundamentalists, aslan told cnn tonight, the perfect climate is is a perfect recipe for terror recruits. >> the muslim population in europe for the most part tends to be lower middle class. they are economically, socially, politically marginalized. they themselves have an identity crisis. they don't feel french, algerian, they don't feel british, they don't feel pakistani. that's why they become easy bait for organizations like isis or al qaeda. >> two years ago, i reported on the growing recruitment of american so mall lis in
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indianapolis. here's part of that report. how many young people do you think have been taken from this community by recruiting? >> approximately 30 to 40. and that has been the most often asked question. i think nobody can nail down exactly. >> like europe, but not on the same scale, america has a population of poor, d disenfranchised muslim youth who experts fear could be persuaded to fight american, not oversea, but in the local mall. >> with the way the internet has changed all of our live, it's no longer necessary to actually meet somebody in al qaeda to get training and inspiration to conduct a terrorist attack here in the united states. someone can do it in their pajamas in their basement. >> as authorities in pairis pic up the piece, many fear the ongoing cultural clash will fuel more violence. the only question is where. >> hostage negotiators play a big role in standoffs like the
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police negotiators having to make quick decisions as you well know in these stories. >> that's key, isn't it? we spoke with a man who's done this very demanding job. and here he breaks down how a successful negotiation works. >> the most important time and critical time is the first ten to 30 minutes. we call that panic reaction. it's fight or flight. the police are responding and trying to contain and cover. the hostage taker is trying to find cover. and so are the hostages. so that's the most serious time. but hostage negotiation, especially in this type of situation is like walk into a movie theatre where you don't know the beginning and you don't know the end. and you have to come in there and the most important thing is to develop a rapport with the hostage taker. the longer you talk in a hostage negotiation the better chances you have of a successful operation. >> and wally, how do you
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negotiate with someone who has -- who has no fear of death? i mean, in this case, there were reports that one of the hostage takers said we want to die as martyrs. so how does that change your strategy? >> first of all, the hostage team here in the united states and new york city, we work with a three-person team. we have a hostage negotiator, we have a coach and we have a floater. all three of those people are negotiating and interchangeable. what we do is we have to stay inside in a pram ter. we try to have the coach work with a hostage negotiator and the loader goes out and gets intelligence from the different law enforcement agencies outside and people that might have known the hostage taker. in this particular situation, we called this type of hostage with terrorism the fear with terror. the hostage taker, whether he lives or neutralized wins as a
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martyr. that is the point of getting his word across. because what they want is they want money, manpower and media. and all that took place here today. in both hostage incidents. what they wanted was to get more people to have become members of their cause. and they wanted money. and they wanted media. the reason why we call it the theatre of terror is because the hostage taker is the plain actor. the police and the hostages are the other actors. and the media are producers of this particular type of theatre. and it goes all around the world. so that is one of most important things that they try to do. >> and you can keep up to date on this developing story on our website. on your smart phone, on your tab let. head to cnn.com. >> we have had just hours and hours of analysis and guests here. you'll find all of our reporting, and also how you can get involved in the global
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conversation, of course, at cnn.com. thanks so much for watching our special coverage. we've got more ahead here. i'm natalie allen. i'll be stepping away. >> i em errol barnett. i'll be back in one hour. please stay with us for continuing coverage. we'll be returning to our team on the ground there in paris to get you the very latest information. my colleague rosemary church joins you after this very short break. stay with us. ♪ ♪ ♪ abe! get in!
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hello. welcome back to cnn's special coverage of the terror attack in france. i'm rosemary church. it is 8:00 in the morning in paris and the terror that has gripped the city and all of france since wednesday is not over yet. police and security forces killed three terror suspects on friday but one suspect remains on the loose. it happened in two separate gun battles that went down at the same time. in one, brothers wantedth
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