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i'll be joined in just a moment by jim shudo in paris as we get him hooked up there. we're going to continue our special coverage of the french terror attacks. we want to welcome in our viewers in the united states andaround the world. we begin with brand new audio. you can hear the chilling voice as he holds hosages at a kosher grocery markt. a french reporter called the land line number. he tried to hack y eiey eied to. the terrorist explains to hostages his motives, telling them they're responsible for the killing of children in syria and for the discrimination against muslim people in france. listen to this. [ speaking foreign language ]
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jim krrkgym jim cudo is in . it's so chilling to hear that. we're essentially eves dropping as he describes the motive for these series of attacks. >> no questions, brianna. you hear so much in that aid e audio, his justification, what he believes is justification. you hear an ominous warning hearing that there are more muslims coming to attack france. all of it coming with a supreme france. it really shows you the danger that france is facing. i want to give you a brief update now on the other developments. and there are many in this fast-moving story today. one of the others who massacred people was under government surveillance we have learned today until only six months ago. despite red flags, french
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officials lost interest and stopped that surveillance. french officials told the report e recorder that koachi was under surveillance last year, allegedly after he underwent training in yemen. officials believe the koachi brothers both traveled to yemen. sleeper terrorist cells have been activated in france in just the last 24 hours. police officers being told to carry their weapons with them around the clock and also told to erase their social media profiles. they're coming to paris to host a massive unity rally tomorrow. a guest list, extremely high-profile, israel's prime minister, the palestinian president, jordan's king, all plan to join many others about many members of the public.
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perhaps as many as a million members of the public. many developments today. with me to discuss all of this here in paris, college professor, jonathan lawrence. he is also author of the emancipation of europe's muslims. along with cnn national security analyst, former c. imt a. operative and retired delta force army officer. jonathan, i wonder if i could ask you, let's talk about that audio. a remarkable window not just inside a terror attack as it's happening as you have this hostage-taking. but, also, inside the mind of a recruit to terrorism. a french national here describing why he targets civilians. what did you hear? is e or is that a familiar justification? >> i think it's a confused mind or a confused person. there is very little sense and very little coherence in the
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arguments he made, starting with, of course, the note about the head scarf band. it's wrong to tell only the part of the story where the french government bans islamic symbols. they're also active in helping to make muslims feel at home in france because of this system of secularism, it allows for revision. >> and to be fair, bans of other religious symbolism, as well wearing of crosses in schools. it's certainly not singling out one thing. >> he's right. muslims do feel targeted. a lot 069d e of the issues do come up. and the idea is that you keep the public sphere in neutral.
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and you've named your religious identity, in a sense. however, it also allows for religious liberty. that's posht. french citizenship is constantly being achieved by a universalist idea. >> a very delicate balance there. i wonder if i could ask you, listening to that audio again, of course, number one group that would have been interested in the happenings of that shop in the hostage taking. as you listen to that audio, did you hear any valuable information that would have been important to the counter terror forces as they waited outside, ready to go in. >> well, jim, i heard two things. one, he was very confident. he was speaking quickly. he was amped up. and the other thing also was he was the only one speaking. he wasn't speaking to anyone else except the other hostage.
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that starts bringing me down to how many terrorists might be in there before i can execute authority. >> i wonder if i could bring you in, so many developments today. one of the others is that france has issued a new warning to members of the police force that believe terrorist cells, sleeper cells, have begun to have police raise e erase their social profiles. how significant do you think this threat is? >> my sense is the french wouldn't go public if they didn't think there was really a threat. i think there have been cells act v activated in france. more than that, it's these attackers have refined their
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targets to people in uniform. they haven't set up bombs in metro or public spaces. it tells me they are getting more sophisticated. the rest of it tells me that these people are well-trained and december plisciplined, whic more difficult to run down. >> it's interesting. the justifications are very fluid. the koachi brothers, they were telling, witnesses said, some of the victims there, the eyewitnesss there that, listen, were not killing women, were only targeting the cartoonists in charlie hebdo, kind of a moral con strukt. and then you have their partner in this other attack saying, hey, if you pay taxes to the french government, you're
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responsible for the french government's policies. i wonder what strikes you as you hear those differing views, different justifications. even for members of what the french police believe were the same cell. a box of connections between them. >> yeah, they were close friends. and it appears that the two brothers went to yemen, recruited into al-qaida in yemen and then came back to franlsz a and, eventually, came back for that. they may have recruited this other individual who launched the hostage taking in the grocery. and they may have recruited this guy who has slightly different views to them. the brothers with the connections to aqua, the support for aqap. it seems there's more sympathy with isis and some different views when it comes to sort of the justification to targeting
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civilians. >> one other development today. and there are many, was word that when the french police believe now that the fourth suspect is just the partner was, in fact, not in france this week during these attacks. there are a number of days ago she flew to turkey. and the last scene, bob baer, former eer member of the c.i.aw important is it now that the french capture her for information about future attacks? >> i think it's crucial. it would be fantastic if they could get ahold of her. these people were sort of self-recruited and clerollected their weapons. but what strikes me about this is the's e ea ease with which p can still cross the turkish
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border. why are they still letting these people into syria. and if so, why? why can't we stop them? >> i heard it from u.s. counter terror officials about increased cooperation and returning fighters from iraq and syria, that european agencies are working better together to try to stop that flow in both directions. but, of course, it's difficult. i want to thank members of my panel, jonathan, here in paris, bob, paul, jim, please stay with us. we're going to dig a little d p deeper between the links from the french attacks and other terror groups outside the country. this is very important not just for european intelligence agencies, but for u.s. counter terror officials as well. that's all after this break. e ♪
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. one of the main parts of terror investigation this week is telli ining cnn that the two brothers w brothers ork stra brothers orchestrated the attack have been under prior surveillance. the man who took hostages friday told george i journalists that he belonged to isis. so, bob, try and explain this to us in the different links. we're sort of getting crossed
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messages here, whether it's isis,whether it's aqap, whether it's both. and, yet, all of these men had connections so we assume that they would have similar loyalties to certain extremist groups. would that be your expectedation? >> well, personally, brianna, i don't differentiate isis from aqap. it's the whole idea of tuck theory islam, jihad. all you need to do is pick up these texts and translate them for believers. so if there's a crossover between the islamic state between aqap, it wouldn't surprise me at all. the fact that it's all different things doesn't surprise me, either. in the fact that you have two
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attacks, one against police and another against cartoonists also sort of fits. but, let's not forget, these people aren't exactly a coherent organization or rational. and they may not be under complete command and control of a central authority. >> paul, what happens to this investigation. how does it change the situation if there are proven links to these established terrorist groups. >> well, i think what we're really looking at here is aqap. i think in the grocery, he didn't say he was part of isis, he said he was doing it on behalf of isis. but the two brothers have thought to travel to yemen and with one of them traveling in an aqap, from what we know about this group, they wouldn't allow someone to train in one of their camps unless they were first formally recruited into the organization. that they would have to swear as the group's leader.
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now, the number two of al-qaida worldwide. and, of course, they traveled there as the american terrorist plan was still alive. and trying to recruit europeans for attacks back in the west. so these, the french militants would have been manna from help. they say they were financed by alaki and they say to advance the u.s. drone strike. so they're looking at yemen, trying to travel more, who they were met willby and whether aqad direct this at the top level. >> france has particular challenges in that there are so many sicitizens, french citizen
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who have gone overseas to participate in fighting overseas. . but what do other countries who also have a similar issue, whether it is australia or other european nations who have citizens who can bring that training back. how does this series of attacks affect how those countries try to stop this from happening? >> at the daily center where the smart folks are racking and stacking where the surveillance is going to happen and who is on the higher list, one of these things now, this attack in france, is literally putting anyone that we think might have gone into syria or over into libya and these safe havens, they rise up to start putting surveillance on them. right now, because of what happened in paris, they get the spot light on them right now. >> yeah, they sure do.
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charlie hebdo, the magazine held a staff get together on friday, putting a sad but defiant, a strong case on their publication. one cha rrkrlie hebdo publicist. perhaps as many as a million copies. and, tomorrow, more than a million people expected to take part in a unity rally and march across paris. more than two dozen key world leaders will join them. among them, israelly prime minister also expected to attend, britain's prime minister, the german chancellor, russia's foreign minister, the pal t palestinian foreign minister a well as jordanian king all joining in unity with hundreds
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of thousands of peresian. also, noticeably missing, the u.s. president, barack obama. the two who shot up the offices on friday were killed dead by the police standoff. however, a woman who knew them all personally remains on the run. brand new details about her and her movements in recent days. >> when he gunned down four people and took hostages at the kosher supermarket, police immediately issued warnts. halif said he was armed and dangerous.
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>> translator: it appears there the investigation, that cherif koachi's spouse had ca called showing permanent and strong links between the couples. >> this is where they were living. it's about a 10-minute drive where couabali is believed to have been. police are still investigating. their names are clearly printed on their mailbox, and armed police still stake out the couple's apartment. court records show she and her boyfriend had met with a top al-qaida recruiter. but, now, as the investigation widens, appears she was not even in france. officials say she arrived
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january 2nd in istanbul, destined for syria. and that's not the first dead end. initially, police named three suspecteds suspects in the attack. friends insisted to cnn that he was innocent in school at the time of the attack more than a hundred miles away. in the rush to find the attackers, french police are casting a wide net. >> we now know tonight that she traveled from turkey to france as long as a week ago last seen by turkish authorities working her way towards the syrian board i recall.
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the source telling cnn that sleeper terrorist cells have been activated in france just in the past 24 hours. police are being told to carry their weapons with them around the clock. joining me again on where this investigation goes now, as well as the risk of future attacks, professor jonathan lawrence, he's here with me in paris. he's also the author of the emancipation of europe's muslim. also, retired lieutenant colonel james reese. he's our global affairs analyst. if we could glbegin tonight, pa, the news of this additional warning to police around the country of an additional threat to them, possible terror attacks going forward. what did we learn today and how significant do you consider this threat? >> well, jim, what they're worried about is that there are other people that are part of this cell who aren't dead and
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are somewhere in paris or somewhere in france and that they could launch attacks. that this is not over. so that's the thing that they're most worried about. they're also worried about copy cat attacks. these are attacks against the cartoonists that have electrified the global jihadist movemented. they've electrified the most extremists in france. there could be these kind of copy cat attacks. we've seen that in the past in new york city. there was a radical thompson who carried out a hatch et. just 48 hours after that attack in canada. he followed that very closely and being inspired by that. >> it's a great point. terrorists watch the news, too. they see the attention. really, it's a sick competition for attention by the individuals in the groups, as well.
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jim reese, one major development is that additional threat between paris police. another major development is word that the french, up until yesterday didn't really know where this fourth suspect in this terror was. now they believe that she, she being the parter in who took over this kosher market, that in fact she traveled here a number of days ago and is on her way to syria. do you consider that a sign of the weakness or the difficulty in track iing these terror suspects? >> it's definitely a hiccup. i don't think that she had high enough profile previously. the brothers were being looked at. her husband, her boyfriend was being looked at. but, again, she was on the tertiary side, which, again, goes back to not enough budget, not enough money out there to track everybody. i'll be very candid with you. over the next 24-48 hours, i'm
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not sure this same report will stay the same as you're hearing tonight. >> no, you're right. and we've heard constantly, even the french police assessments with the threat and the movementeds of these suspects have changed over time. we have to be aware of that con starntly. jonathan, another major thing is this rally planned for tomorrow. perhaps a million french will take part showing defiance, showing unity in response to these attacks, world leaders as well. he said something interesting in announcing his trip here that telling france's jews that israel is their home, what did you read into that message? >> well, israel is their home. jews have the right of return ever since its founding. but there's a 2,000 year history
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of judaism here. a cynical point of view on the one hand, because french jews have been protected but not protected enough and the french are going to have to probably look at germany to see whether or not there's a possibility of putting tanks or more armed vehicles at the disposition of the jewish institutions that clearly need protection. on the other hand, they don't want to stigmatize them too much. a record number of them emigrated to israel this year. >> and still, a great feeling of that threat where you have the main synagogue here. you're closed for the first time since world war ii. fear of additional attacks. jim reiss, great to have you, paul. we're going to continue the discussion. its high alert, we're going to talk about the structure of anti-semitism here in this country. more after this break.
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attempt and the remaining hostages fled to safety. one of the hostages who survived the shooting talked about his experience just today. >> translator: honestly, we were all in shock. we heard the explosion outside. we heard gunfire. it would have been a slaugter -- i think it would have been a slaughter. >> translator: it's a miracle we're all still here. meaning the people in the fridge. i'm in pain over the people who are gone, sadly. i'm going to do a prayer of thanks for all of us being here and i'm with my family. >> a french jewish publication which released pictures of the two older victims of the kosher market attack. the jewish community in paris ask that their names be shared widely. france easter ris attacks forced the closure of a landmark
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synagogue in paris on the sabbath for the first time since world war ii. france's jewish community has been rallying together in the wake of this deadly massacre. from the union of french jewish students, sascha, sthathanks fo much for joining us tonight. you organized another rally just around the corner from where that kosher market turned out. what was that like? the main leaders of the french republic came and the prime minister himself came with a large number of ministers. and it really showed today that there is a national unity and that we are fighting the same fight. when people attack journalists
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who target them because they wamp want to attack freedom of expression, or jews because of freedom of religion or cops because of freedom of state, i hope tomorrow there will be millions out in the street. >> well, you make a great point. these groups have so many targets, really. and we heard, in fact, from inside the hostage standoff yesterday, an audio recording that we received today of the attacker justifying, really, attacks on all french civilians by saying simply that you pay taxes to the french government, therefore, you're responsible for the french government policies. really saying that nibble is a target here. but i wonder in particular how targeted did france's jewish community feel? how much more in danger do they feel they are more in danger that you are more in danger than other segments of the population
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here? >> well, everyone is in danger. terrorism is a threat to everyone. this year, the number of attacks has doubled. so, in a way, french people were expecting this attack against the jews, this terrorist attack. very sad expectation for the protection against the gains that has been strochng, but we n never have full protection chlts we need to work on education. will e i will be meeting tomorrow morning with the president. i will ask him not only to increase security, but especially measures to have much better indication in school. >> education against extremism. is that what you think is missing? >> yes, kpa tly. because we, as french men, we love this country. we've been here for a thousand years. we don't want to live in terror.
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>> are you getting the support you need in terms of security and the other initiatives that you expect from the frempbl authorities? >> the french authority is very supportive. we need a radical fight especially against jihadish. . >> has muslim leaders reached out to you in solidarity as well? >> of course. i've received hundreds of mails, of phone calls from the leaders. they do not represent islam. >> we've heard that same message from many french muslims. it musz hat have been quite a powerful expression of support for you. >> i love this newspaper. >> well, i have to say, the sad
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fact is that this is a threat we face, as well. we are unified in good circumstances, right? but, also, in the sad faktsd that this is a common threat in france in europe and beyond. you're doing good work. thanks very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you, sir. >> coming up, later, we're going to look at the growing number of female jihadist playing a part as we saw in a group of attacks that carried out here this week. they are not alone. we're going to learn more just after this break. me mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals, antioxidants, and 9 grams of protein. [ bottle ] ensure®. nutrition in charge™. [ bottle ] ensure®. and i quit smoking with chantix. my children always wanted me to quit smoking but i resigned myself to the fact that it wasn't going to work. but chantix helped me do it. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking.
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the man hunt for the woman authorities say may have been involved in the paris terror attacks is on going. many people have been led to wonder why women would join terrorist groups. randy kaye takes a look at the motivations of female jihadists. look closely, her name used to be sally jones. but after she converted to islam, she changed it. this photo with the ak-47 is a
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far cry from this one from 2004. it shows her celebrating the birth of her new baby. now, she's believed to be an i isis fighter in syria. she told the london times that her youngest child is with her, too. she was widely quote\ed on line saying my son and i love life with the beheaders. this jihadist is from britain. she's reportedly a 21-year-old medical student. on twitter, she posted this disturbing image. a woman in a white doctor's coat holding a human head. the posting read dream job, a terrorist doc. and included a smiley face in love hearts. she shared images of the execution by isis of u.s. journalist steven sotlov.
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analystsest mated that as many as 15% of isis's foreign recruits could be female with up to 200 women from at least 14 countries. women are moet vated by the idea of meeting a jihadist husband. they're hoping with prestige from husbands that die as marters. this grandmother tried to blow up explosive in gaza. her family said she wanted to become a marter. and what about this woman? colleen derose. she traveled to europe in 2009, part of a plot to kill swedish artist after she depicted the head of muslim prophet muhammad.
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she was arrested after returning to philadelphia. la rose was sentenced last january to prison for 10 years. all looking to make a name for themselves in martyrdom. >> coming up, we have more of that brand new audio from inside the markt attack, really ooefgs dr eavesdropping on the terrorists. plus, we have all the latest developments from paris next. dise gh, but i've managed. except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. and when i finally told my doctor, he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. and that in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis.
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welcome back. a new warning has paris on edge. sleeper terrorist cells have been act vated in france just in the last 24 hours. police officers being warned to carry their weapons around the clock. security fears come as paris prepares to hold a massive unity rally tomorrow. the guest list, extremely high profile. the israeli prime minister, leaders from all over europe planning to attend. now, i also have brand new audio of a terrorist. the chilling voice as he holds hosages in a kosher grocery market in paris. a french reporter called the store's land line. he picked up the phone and tried
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also, today, news of a huge, missed opportunity. one of the brothers who massacred people was under government surveillance, it turns out, until just about six months ago. despite red flags, french authorities lost interest in koachi, the older of the two brothers. he was under surveillance from 2011 until just last june. thanks for pairing up with me. we're both going to be back tomorrow to cover news including that rally. brianna, meanwhile, i'll throw it back to you in new york. >> thank you so much for all of your hard work in paris.
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i'll see you tomorrow. let's talk now about someone who inspired the koachi brothers. the radical-born yemen double agent inside al-qaida for the c.i.a. it's the inside story who riszinged it all to take down al-awlaki. it's a fascinating look inside. before he was killed, he said he was financed. what did he find out about al-awlaki's plans. >> he started having significant contact. he actually tasked him to try
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and identify and recruit westerners who could be sent back to europe for a terrorist attack. let western intelligence know about this. they want to beat operatives when they went back to europe to camouflage their radicalism, to pretend they weren't radical anymore. it would seem that it would appear with the koachi brothers who went off the radar who stopped monitoring them. they didn't think they were radical, posed a threat anymore. >> and, watching this, i wondered if storm fears retropeople was under government surveillance. is he a target now? >> absolutely. he's a big-time target. morton storm was the guy who led the c.i.a. to al-awlaki.
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so storm is a big-time target. isis have already threatened his life. he has to live in hiding. he thinks it's all worth it. he wanted to protect everyone here in the west from these terrorists. >> we have about 45 seconds left, for you, paul. just to tell us something else that our viewers will find very cure yousz. what was it like for him to live this double life. it was extremely challenging because you'll have to move from these two different identities. when he was with cia analysts, he was with morton storm. but when he was with al-qaida, he was with any slip-up that could affect the loss of his life with something like crucifixion when he was over in yemen. he was even afraid sometimes to fall asleep. so very, very challenging life, indeed. this is an extraordinary
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insighted into the world of al-qaida, that you're about to see. it is stranger than fiction, paul, thank you so much. i'm brianna keeler. that's it for me. cnn special double agent inside al-qaida starts right now. >> the following is a cnn special report. >> morton storm. the half a decade he says he moved back and forth between two worlds and two identities. when one misplaced sentence could have cost him his life.
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