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officials of sympathizers isis sympathizers in the u.s. who will be spurred to launch a terrorist attack. >> it's the fear that we heard so much from u.s. government officials, people who self-radicalize, see this material online and decide to carry out a plot even without any contact necessarily with isis or al qaeda. pamela brown, i know you will have much more on this. that's it for "the lead." i turn you over now to wolf blitzer, right next door in "the situation room." happening now, fourth suspect. a man identified suspected of involvement in last week's attacks. a french newspaper say he was an accomplice of the kosher market gunman and is now under warrant. al qaeda's claim. the terror group says it's responsible the massacre and says it was masterminded by a u.s.-born cleric. terror rivalry. is al qaeda now competing with isis to see who is the deadliest and the most brutal of the global jihadist groups? and isis in america.
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an ohio man arrested for allegedly plotting to attack government targets in washington in support of the terror group. wolf blitzer is off today. i'm breanna keilar. you're in "the situation room." breaking news. french security services have identified a fourth man suspected of involvement in the paris attacks. this comes from the newspaper, le parisien which says he was an accomplice of amedy coulibaly. this suspect was believed to have fled the country. in a chilling new development, dangerous implications for the united states al qaeda's yemen branch releases a video saying it's behind the paris magazine massacre claiming it was originally masterminded by a u.s.-born cleric who was killed more than three years ago. al qaeda is also applauding the attack on the kosher grocery store and new images from inside that market during the bloody siege. we will be breaking those down
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for you. a leading voice on national security is standing by along with our correspondents and analysts. we begin in paris with cnn's john berman. john? >> reporter: the reason investigators now believe there is a fourth suspect, according to le parisien is because they found keys the a motor scooter inside the apartment of amedy coulibaly, the man who attacked the kosher supermarket. the keys to this scooter, the scooter did not belong to coulibaly. it belonged to this fourth man they now believe, according to this newspaper, has left the country. i spoke to a person close to the security situation here in paris. he tells me the questions that this report raises are the following. could this man have been the man who shot the jogger the day before these paris attacks. there was a jogger who was shot. the shell casings matched the ammunition found in coulibaly's
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apartment. the jogger who survived the attack says she was shot by a white man. coulibaly, of course is of african descent. the other question investigators want to know is who drove amedy coulibaly to that kosher market. how did he get there and this security source i spoke to says they are looking into whether this fourth suspect, now believed to be on the run, drove coulibaly to that market. also new today, we have new footage from inside that market as the attack was happening. al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, known as aqap is now claiming full responsibility for the "charlie hebdo" attack. in this new video, a commander for the extremist group claims the late u.s.-born muslim clerk anwar al awlaki had a role in the attack which was years in the making. the al qaeda affiliate also
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prays praises the deadly siege at a kosher grocery store in paris carried out by amedy coulibaly, seen in this just released image wearing what appears to be a camouflage bulletproof vest. these dramatic images captured on security cameras show people huddled together in the aisles groceries on the floor. uk's "daily mail" says they were taken before the gunman ordered employees to take down surveillance cameras. coulibaly was a long time friend of the "charlie hebdo" gunmen. aqap says the attack against the magazine was revenge for the satirical cartoon depiction of the prophet muhammed in 2006. the new aqap video surfaced the same day as the new "charlie hebdo" issue hit the newsstands. in paris, people waited in long winding lines before the kiosks
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even opened to get their hands on this new edition. the magazine said it sold all three million copies. more copies are coming. the controversial new edition again features the prophet muhammed on the cover, considered highly offensive by many muslims. security is being stepped up at this newspaper in turkey which is publishing the magazine but not the cover. on twitter, turkey's deputy prime minister wrote those who are publishing figures referring to our supreme prophet are those who disregard the sacred and is open to provocation. today, french officials are digging deeper into the suspects behind last week's terror attacks and searching for potential accomplices still on the loose. after the attack on the magazine said and cherif kouachi were involved in a shootout with police before fleeing the scene. for the first time we are seeing the kouachi brothers at a gas station while they were on
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the run. they were later killed by police. sources tell cnn cherif used his brother's passport to travel to yemen in 2011 where it is believed he trained with aqap. u.s. investigators believe the terror group gave cherif as much as $20,000 to carry out the attacks. so many developments in this story. and this reporting of a fourth possible suspect, an accomplice on the run, illustrates exactly why there is this heightened level of security in france right now. security sources tell me the reason they raised the troop level in the country to 10,000 the police force to 8,000, is because they simply cannot be sure that these accomplices, people who may have known these attackers, may be plotting something else and something new, and that is what they are now guarding against. >> john berman in paris, thank
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you so much. we have more breaking news now. the fbi has arrested an ohio man for allegedly plotting to attack the u.s. capitol. we are learning that the suspect, identified with isis. we have cnn justice correspondent pamela brown with details. what do we know? >> everything is still developing. what we have learned is that the cincinnati man, christopher lee cornell, was allegedly plotting to detonate pipe bombs at the u.s. capitol and open fire on law makers and employees as they ran out of the capitol building. he was arrested today, charged with attempting to kill a u.s. government official. according to the criminal complaint that we are reading through right now, he allegedly aligned with isis. he had alarming social media posts that came to the attention of u.s. authorities. the fbi had an undercover informant who was talking with lee cornell and apparently he told him that he wanted to commit violent jihad. he had been in touch with people overseas but that he didn't think he would receive
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authorization to conduct a terrorist attack in the u.s. so according to this criminal complaint, he told the undercover informant that we should just wage jihad under our own orders and plan attacks and everything in the name of isis. so as we learn through this criminal complaint, just this week he had taken concrete steps to acquire weapons, semiautomatic rifles to save money for his plan, to make travel plans. they officials had enough evidence to be able to make this arrest build this case. but i'm told there was no direct threat to the public during the course of the investigation. >> they obviously swooped in when they thought things were about to become active. we know this is developing right now and you are getting more information as we speak. we will hear more from you in the coming hour and change. pamela thanks so much. although their colleagues were massacred just one week ago, staffers at "charlie hebdo" put out a new issue today. it sold millions of copies. on the cover is a new cartoon of
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the prophet muhammed that's raising new security concerns. let's head back to paris to talk to cnn's chief national security correspondent, jim sciutto. jim? >> reporter: no shortage of demand for that despite the threats. it started with three million copies. they will go up to five million. i tell you, it's very hard to find a copy here because of that demand but also you have groups inside this country and outside the country, muslim groups muslim governments in the middle east still expressing outrage here and that is also helping to feed some of the concern, the genuine concern from french authorities, about further reprisal attacks. i'll tell you, the president of france francois hollande announced today that plans to reduce the police presence in the country this week to rachet it down ever so slightly are being shelved. they are thinking of keeping these numbers they have had, 8,000 to 10,000 police and soldiers around the country at this level in part because of that threat. >> yeah very visual heightened
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state of alert there. thank you, jim sciutto in paris. appreciate it. if al qaeda in yemen was responsible for the massacre and intelligence agencies were blind to the development of that plot it may have frightening repercussions for the united states. let's turn now to cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr. this would be significant if this was completely missed barbara. >> reporter: good evening. absolutely. u.s. officials sketching out for cnn one of their biggest worries about all of this. al qaeda in yemen's video claim of responsibility for the attack in paris raises significant concern far beyond france cnn has learned. u.s. and french intelligence services are urgently working to determine if al qaeda in yemen, aqap secretly communicated with the kouachi brothers after one or both of them returned from yemen in 2011. if that communication happened
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it was so secret it wasn't detected despite the vast eavesdropping capabilities of the u.s. and that means the number one al qaeda terrorist organization targeting the u.s. and threatening to bomb aircraft can plot and plan without the u.s. knowing about it. >> aqap is the most dangerous affiliate associated particularly in terms of external plotting outside of their region where they are located. >> reporter: it remains possible the paris attackers had no direct orders from aqap. but the u.s. believes that al qaeda in yemen is now using advanced encryption technology as just one method to keep their operation secret from u.s. spying. that alone gives aqap huge room to maneuver. >> they could have ceded parts of europe and other parts of the world with these individuals who have been trained and instructed
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to attack when they feel appropriate, or they could have an ongoing cadre of individuals that come in and out of yemen and set them off at a time of aqap's choosing. >> reporter: the u.s. calculates aqap was already on the upswing in power for many reasons. senior leaders are all in secure locations in yemen, all still very much in charge. it's safe haven areas are large and secure. it is continuing to recruit foreign fighters. all of this raising questions about whether u.s. drone attacks in recent years have even made a dent in the group. >> no one expected drones to have suffocated aqap and put it out of business. >> this gets back to what we have all been talking about, the real implication now, not just paris, but is aqap planning additional attacks and can the u.s. detect them. >> barbara starr at the
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pentagon thank you. now more on this breaking news coming into "the situation room." joining me right now, we have democratic congressman dutch rupersburger of maryland a key vote on national security issues. he was the ranking democrat on the intel committee when the u.s. killed american-born cleric anwar al awlaki. thank you so much for being with us congressman. i want to talk to you about this fourth suspect that has now been identified. are you thinking that this will go beyond a fourth suspect? could we see a fifth, a sixth? >> the fourth suspect is an individual that we are trying to target but more importantly, it's the leadership in yemen. this clearly, it's been verified that this was an attack done in paris by the arabian peninsula, al qaeda. this group is a lot different than the ones that we were dealing with in afghanistan and pakistan. why they were different and it's an american cleric who fortunately, we were able to bring to justice and he's no
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longer with us awlaki his strategy was to have attacks that were low key. you have heard of lone wolf. smaller groups. so that we in the united states and our allies would not pick up -- >> more decentralized, less micromanaging from the leadership. >> the 9/11 attack is very difficult because we are probably going to get the information. yet the awlaki strategy he was the one who planned the underwear bomber the shoe bomber trying to come under the wavelength and that concerns us all in the intelligence community. that is one of our biggest threats we are dealing with. this is why we were so concerned about snowden, the person who turned his back on the united states because when he put out information, he said to the world these are our sources and methods. this is what the united states does to collect intelligence. so we have lost a lot of those terrorists that we had acknowledged that we had discovered and they know now not to do the things that we need to
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do so they could beat the tactic. >> let me ask you about that. i know part of it is the strategy is maybe train, maybe finance, but then sort of let loose of some of these trainees so they can fly under the radar. at the same time if you had communication between the kouachi brothers and aqap what does that say that intelligence didn't pick it up in a way that they realized when a threat it was? >> what it says is that they have learned our techniques. our sources and methods. that's why in the intelligence arena, when things are classified so our enemies don't understand what we do to get information to protect our citizens. that's what it really says. now, let's talk about the united states because in the end that's what we're trying to protect. we know there are many sympathizers in the united states and we know there are people that go to syria from the united states to be radicalized. there was a situation where we had an individual that went to be trained, he was from the
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united states went to be trained in syria, to be a suicide bomber. why he would want to give up his life but he did. came back home to visit his parents, then left and went back to syria and blew himself up and killed people. that individual could have had an attack or suicide bomb situation in the united states. the best defense against terrorism is intelligence. not only from a point of view with the united states but all of our allies. the more intelligence we get, the better. but this is serious and i'm also worried about the issue between al qaeda and isis. it's almost i'm concerned they want to compete against each other and now they have this successful attack that the other might try to be more aggressive. the ultimate target will be the united states of america. >> stick with me. i want to get a little more out of this conversation. but we've got to get a quick break in. we'll be right back.
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our breaking news french security services have identified a fourth man suspected of involvement in the paris attacks. the newspaper le parisien says the man was an accomplice of kosher market gunman amedy coulibaly. the new suspect is believed to have fled france and this comes as al qaeda's yemen branch claims responsibility for the attack on the "charlie hebdo" magazine offices. we are back now with democratic congressman dutch ruppersburger of maryland a key voice on intelligence and national security issues. i think one of the things congressman, that may be alarming to people this is really just developing i have
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to say, news that in ohio here in the u.s. an isis supporter was planning an attack on the u.s. capitol. i know you haven't been briefed on this. >> brand new. haven't been briefed but there's an example of sympathizers. there are many sympathizers i'm sure in the united states. that's why we need intelligence to find out people that are actually plotting and planning. the al qaeda from yemen is not going to be able to come to the united states one day and show up and do the attacks. they need help. they need to do research. if in fact the facts are as we know them now, this attack has been planned for the last two to three years. so we have to be concerned about sympathizers and this is why it's a federal, state and local issue. we have to have citizens in our country, if they see something unusual, let your law enforcement know. >> what you are talking about when you see something unusual, you gave an example of people moving into a house and coming and going and suspicious activity. >> you have a house with four or five people coming in but it just depends on the situation.
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one little tip can make a difference. it's just that we need to gain intelligence and a lot of intelligence comes from people. it's not only technical intelligence. it's people intelligence. >> okay. it sounds like you are pretty convinced because there is this claim by aqap that they are the ones responsible for the "charlie hebdo" at least, not the kosher market attack and then we know from one of the kouachi brothers he told a media outlet in france that it's aqap that he was working with. so you ultimately think this is the mark of aqap? >> i think aqap is a lot more dangerous to the united states awlaki was an american citizen and really ran aqap in yemen. i have been to yemen. seeing what goes on and how they train people there. the bottom line is that his focus was the united states. we were lucky that the shoe bomber didn't go off, the underwear bomber but his strategy was to have a small group of people attack the united states and finally, his strategy worked in france, unfortunately.
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we have to be aware of that. the lone wolf the smaller attacker. that's his style. >> do you think there are u.s. sleeper cells here? >> if i do i probably couldn't tell you but i don't believe they are sleeper cells as much as they are people who want to support some of the al qaeda and what they believe in, unfortunately. that's my concern. that's why again, intelligence is the best defense against terrorism. in the united states of america, americans are not being spied on at all by our government unless there's a court order and yet we need to know and look at the threats that are there. we have talked about threats for years, that these threats are getting more aggressive right now. we have to be vigilant and we will. we have a great country and the best intelligence in the world. >> let's listen to something president obama said in september on why the air campaign in syria could destroy isis. >> the strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us while supporting partners on the front
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lines is one that we have successfully pursued in yemen and somalia for years. >> was it a mistake to call yemen a success? >> i think you have to look at the facts as they are. i think what we did as far as going after isis is that we stopped their momentum but that's just the beginning. we have to be the supporters of the whole arab world, the whole middle east. we have to stand up to this situation. we in the united states of america have been through iraq and we have been through the other areas in afghanistan. we don't want to go another ten years of war and put our men and women on the line. but what we do -- >> so there was momentum in the right direction in yemen, and now that's been pulled back? >> well first thing i think what the president was saying if you want to take out -- i hate to say it this way but you want to kill a snake, you have to cut its head off. that's the focus of leadership of al qaeda. when you take out their
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leadership they are weakened by that. the command and control. but now that isis has been around al qaeda has been around, they have a lot of leadership. they have money now. they have people who have researched and these are the things we also have to deal with. but the united states can't be the sheriff of the whole world but we have great resources. we are trying to coordinate all of the countries over there, the arab countries, to stand up to this threat and have them be involved and boots on the ground and let us support them. >> congressman, thanks so much. thanks for being here. next a closer look at one of the most alarming new threats to global security. the growing rivalry between al qaeda and isis. we are also we have some new video to show you. this is from the bottom of the java sea where searchers finally have located the fuselage of the airasia jet.
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of the top 100 shows. only from xfinity. our breaking news french security services have identified a fourth man suspected of involvement in the paris attacks. this is from the newspaper le parisien which says the man was an accomplice of kosher market gunman amedy coulibaly. meantime al qaeda's yemen branch claiming responsibility for the paris magazine attack raising concerns of a frightening new rivalry with isis. brian todd is exploring that today. brian, what have you found? >> reporter: tonight we are getting chilling new information from counterterrorism officials about how al qaeda and isis are competing and what the consequences could be. what one house intelligence committee member now calls a dangerous competition among terrorist groups to capture the world's attention and attract followers.
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a chest-thumping from one of al qaeda's most dangerous branches over the "charlie hebdo" killings paying tribute to the kouachi brothers al qaeda in the arabian peninsula says its leadership chose the target planned and paid for the attack. >> translator: when the heroes were assigned they accepted. they promised and fulfilled. >> reporter: it's not clear how much of that is bluster, how much of a hand aqap really had in the slaughter in paris. what is clear to experts, this group has regained its momentum. >> aqap's status is once again reaffirmed to be at the top, if not on top of the global jihadist movement. >> reporter: now other top terror groups are lining up to praise the paris attack. isis and boko haram among them. >> translator: we truly rejoiced at what happened in france. >> reporter: tonight, cnn has learned of a chilling new concern among u.s. counterterror officials that there's fresh intensified competition among the most dangerous terror groups to one-up each other, to take back the spotlight.
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>> who can hit hardest, who can show that they are fighting the hardest and who can actually prove that their strategy is successful. >> reporter: a competition seen primarily between aqap and isis. for the better part of two years, isis seemed to dominate capturing huge swaths of territory in syria and iraq beheading five westerners on tv. but counterterror officials and analysts tell cnn it's aqap's capabilities to strike outside its neighborhood that concern them. >> aqap is certainly oriented on attacking the united states and much more so than we have seen come out of isis. >> reporter: evidenced by the 2009 underwear bomb attempt on a u.s.-bound airliner. and aqap's plot to place bombs in printer cartridges being flown to the u.s. all the work of its master bomb maker, who is still at large. isis isn't letting up. releasing a new video that appears to show a boy executing two men. but the paris attack rachets up the pressure on isis. >> isis needs to compete not
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only say on the ground in syria and iraq but for opinion and funding and recruits within the global jihadi community, also by carrying out attacks abroad, maybe this radicalizes it to do that. >> who is winning the competition for recruits? the lifeblood of these groups? a u.s. counterterrorism official tells us isis is still drawing more foreign fighters than aqap. the official calls syria their destination of choice and we know that hayat boumeddiene, girlfriend of one of the paris gunmen has likely just arrived in syria, drawing concern about what she may do next. >> brian, i want to ask you about the very dangerous leaders of aqap. what can you tell us about them? >> that's right. the top leader of aqap plus the bomb maker, the master bomb maker. a u.s. official tells us they are both believed to be still alive in hiding somewhere in yemen. the bomb maker particularly dangerous. he hatched those plots against
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america and u.s. officials tell us he has trained others. the question is where are they and where are they going. >> brian todd thanks so much. i want to take now a closer look at this newly released video of the paris supermarket siege. these came out just this evening. these are pictures of the gunman and his postagehostages revealing a lot more than you think. i am joined by cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. we have been looking at those photos. i want to look at this one because it really tells a story. you can see the chaos of the groceries scattered about, then so grim and heartbreaking, you see this is one of the victims. this is a 22-year-old who is very significant for what he tried to do. >> we are told that coulibaly set his gun down the long gun, the rifle, on the countertop here and he tried to take that gun and turn it on coulibaly and apparently it jammed. at least they reported that it
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jammed or he just didn't know how to operate it maybe it was on safety and he didn't know how to deal with that but he ends up being killed as a result of that. coulibaly has a hand gun with him also and is able to stop them. what's interesting about that is that the ak-47 which has been the weapon of choice by these guys there's 100 million in circulation now since 1949 and it's so popular among terrorists because it almost is jam-proof. they can take it in the desert shoot it in the sand so it's kind of surprising to me that the gun would jam as opposed to he just didn't know how to operate it properly. >> maybe that is the case. a 22-year-old who is trying to rescue the people in this kosher market. this photo i will tell you struck me because this is a stroller abandoned here. we know there was a 2-year-old in the basement freezer hiding out with adults. it makes you wonder if this wasn't that kid's stroller. then i want you to look here. this is another view from this closed circuit television of a number of hostages.
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i counted eight, eight or nine here, i think. wa what are they doing, do you think? >> it appears they are being lectured to somehow, that they have been gathered and maybe warned or maybe he's issuing a statement to them that if you act up i'm going to kill you or you know something. it just appears that looking down the barrel of a gun, they appear to be paying attention of some kind being told something. >> stay with me tom. coming up we are going to discuss this photo. it is a picture of what appears to be coulibaly himself forcing a hostage to lock the back door. we see him here with what appears to be his weapon. we have a number of other photos we will look at with you, tom fuentes. coming up more on the breaking news a fourth suspect identified in the paris terror attacks. also found at last the fuselage of the airasia jet lying on its side at the bottom of the java sea. but as one mystery is solved,
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many more are created.
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operative and cnn national security analyst. we have cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes still with us. and joining us from paris, we have guillaume debrais, a correspondent for television channel tf-1. guillaume, to start with you, we have this report of another suspect, an accomplice here who may have been responsible for the shooting of a jogger the night before the "charlie hebdo" attack. what can you tell us about it? >> reporter: well i can tell you that investigators have a name. they don't want to release it they don't want to talk about it but they know that it's a white male. they don't know whether it's caucasian or arabic but it's not a black man that pulled the trigger on thursday night, shot a jogger with the similar gun, the same gun that was found at this jewish grocery where amedy coulibaly did his massacre on a friday night.
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they are actively looking for this man. there is a number of suspects they are now chasing. what they are really interested is the key, they found the key of a motorbike on amedy coulibaly's body when he was shot. they want to try to find this motorbike. they have located it and they want to know who it belongs to and they want to know exactly who took or drove amedy coulibaly to the grocery store. they actually suspect that there are not just one or two associates but there are a lot more. they don't want to be specific on the number but i think there's a lot more associated than one or two. >> a lot more so much more to find out here. bob, i wonder you have aqap taking responsibility for this attack but then coulibaly, the alleged killer in the kosher market attack pledged allegiance to isis. what's going on here? >> well i mean i think that
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isis and al qaeda share the same objectives and that's to attack the west. they have different strategies islamic state wants to set up a government first and then expand and al qaeda wants to attack abroad. so it doesn't really surprise me that they cooperated at the ground level but what's important is that in the tape today, by the head of aqap he marginalized the islamic state so there's clearly a rivalry. i agree with intelligence analysts there is going to be a competition to take the fight abroad as well as in syria and iraq. >> chairman how concerning is that to you, that there is this rivalry? what does this mean? >> well we have watched this develop over about the last 12 months and it was not just for people and recruits because isis is winning that hands down but people who are showing up to fight in syria are a little different than what al qaeda was looking for to pull off
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operations overseas. so you see a very unhealthy competition that has been long in the making. even inside syria, there was fighting between isis alleged people who had allegiance to isis and al qaeda affiliates. both of those groups had shooting matches, if you will in syria over control of certain pieces of land and materials as well as resources. so we have seen this developing for some time. what's concerning is that both have a desire in their minds to put points on the board by having a successful attack both in places like europe and the united states. >> so they have a common enemy at least in some cases when they are enemies with each other. how likely could it be that we might see aqap and isis either coordinating on some of these things or that they could do that in the future? >> i think they will still be at the bottom level, some
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coordination. the enemy of my enemy type reasoning but the dangerous factor with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula is we have still not seen evidence of the bomb making and that's the scariest part about that. their ability to move p.e.t. in principal explosive in the underwear bomb and printer cartridge bomb plot of 2010 and that plot was foiled because saudi intelligence had penetrated that plot were able to provide shipping numbers to british and american authorities. so in these various cells here in france we haven't found p.e.t.n. yet. it makes you wonder is that coming later, where is that? >> gentlemen, thank you so much. chairman rogers tom fuentes, and guillaume debre joining us as well as bob baer. we have a lot more on today's developments in the wake of the paris terror attacks. at the top of the hour we will get an update on al qaeda's claim of responsibility and the urgent u.s. efforts to head off new attacks from the complicated and expanding jihadi network.
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we have much more coming up on breaking news in terror attacks, the french are looking for yet another terror suspect. we are covering developments in the airasia crash investigation. searchers located the jet's fuselage. rene marsh is here with details. this is key. this is a huge piece of the plane. >> especially for the families. if most of the bodies are in the fuselage i would expect divers
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would go in to try to bring the bodies to the surface. of course the seas have been rough at times. that could delay efforts. just in a matter of hours that search for more bodies begins. the fuselage of airasia flight 8501 located below the surface of the java sea. more than 100 missing bodies may be there. setting up what could be another tidal wave of emotions for families. >> translator: we found part of the airplane body or the fuselage with one of the wings still attached. >> reporter: you can see part of the airline slogan and a section of the wing with the plane's registration number on it. >> the way the metal breaks tells a story. >> a man who survived a plane crash himself has written about his 40 years as an accident investigator. >> the wreckage provides
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evidence on what failed on the aircraft and it will give strong clues as to why. it will talk to us about the sequence of the breakup and just exactly what failed aboard the aircraft. >> reporter: the fuselage the largest piece discovered yet, is nearly 100 feet long. it's 25 feet shy of the entire length of the air bus a320. it was found nearly two miles northeast of the tail and about a half a mile from the flight recorders. >> the flight data recorder tells you what happened. but you have to listen very carefully to the cockpit voice recorder to find out why it happened. >> reporter: today, the cockpit voice recorder was dried out and downloaded. investigators listened to it for the first time. they won't say what they heard. a full analysis could take months. investigators will sit down with people who have flown with these pilots people who know them and can identify their voices on the
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recordings. they will play and replay the recordings over and over again to compare it. they will also compare that information to the information on the data recorder and that's how they begin sketching out the scenario that played out on december 28th. >> good news for the families. not that there can be good news at this point, but maybe closure to put loved ones to rest. thank you so much. coming up isis in america. an ohio man is arrested for allegedly plotting to attack the u.s. capitol in support of the terror group. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like mute buttons equal danger. ...that sound good? not being on this phone call sounds good. it's not muted. was that you jason? it was geoffrey! it was jason. it could've been brenda. music: melodic, calm music. hi, this is jennifer... ... i will be out of the office until monday... ... and won't be checking voicemail during this time.
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happening now, breaking news. french investigators reportedly identify another man involved in the paris attacks. who is he? where is he now?
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al qaeda says it is responsible for the attack on "charlie hebdo." cap capitol terror plot. a man arrested for planning to carry out an attack on congress. what are his ties to isis? market horror. chilling new images of the terror nightmare as it unfolded inside of that kosher market. who do they tell us about the attack? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. wolf blitzer is off today. you are in "the situation room".." where he following multiple major breaking news stories. the french newspaper le parisien says that investigators have identified a new terror suspect, a man believed to be an accomplice to amedy coulibaly who waged attack at the market and that al qaeda in the arabian
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peninsula claiming responsibility for the attack on "charlie hebdo." in a released video, they call the brothers kouachi heros who fulfilled their tasks. fbi arrested an ohio man who aligned himself with isis and was plotting an attack on the u.s. capitol. we are covering all of the angles with our correspondents and guests including congressman peter king a member of the homeland security committee. i want to get straight to paris now where jim is. another suspect identified. give us the latest. >> reporter: tonight, report of a fourth suspect involved in these deadly attacks in paris. two clues leading police that way. one keys left in the apartment of amedy coulibaly belonging to a motor bike belonging to another man. also clues in the ammunition
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used in the kosher market attack and another attack on a jogger in a park just before. this additional suspect it is believed like so many others tracked tos case to have fled the country. this is the location of a department thought to be amedy coulibaly's highout. find inside keys to a motor bike belonging to another man suspected of shooting a jogger in a park last week before driving coulibaly to the market attack. police believe the suspect has fled france possibly for syria. the deadly paris attacks were planned for years with orders coming directly from al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, so claim the terror group together. a video which u.s. officials believe to be authentic features pictures of the kouachi brothers with the commander praising the
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attack and say it is revenge for cartoons. we clarify the one who chose the target laid the plan financed the operation and appointed its emir, is the leadership of the organization. he provided no proof. one of the masterminds he claimed was an american killed in a u.s. drone strike in 2011. despite the video claim, u.s. officials tell cnn it is not yet clear if aqap executed direct command and control over the operation or if it provided some training and funding with the attackers selecting time place and target. still, the investigation has already exposed a complicated and expanding inging inging jihadi group. amedy coulibaly pledged aleenl answer -- allegiance to isis.
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tonight, a disturbing new look inside the assault on the kosher market. amedy coulibaly in body armor forcing hostages to take down cameras. others huddling together after the first hostages were killed. a baby stroller possibly belonging to a child who survived the attack hidden in a basement refrigerator is left abandoned in the aisle. the images were available to french police during this siege providing them important information and intelligence about what was going on inside the store before the police raid. that's the reason you likely see the attacker ordering the hostages to take down the cameras. one other note this fourth suspect that they are talking about, not the only person or associate they are looking at. they call this one the fourth because it's believed it might be the fourth person to have had an operational role on the day
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of the attacks. of course there are other associates looking at including the companion of amedy coulibaly going from turkey and on to syria as well. >> a lot more associates possible. we have heard that. thanks so much. i want to bring in now pentagon correspondent barbara starr. there are big stories about -- questions i should say about this video. no one can say yet whether it's completely accurate. did al qaeda inspire the attack or order it? you are learning new information about this. >> that is the key question. did they inspire it. one or both brothers having perhaps traveled to yemen in 2011 getting perhaps money, instructions. did they go back and stew about it or here is the very real possibility, u.s. and french intelligence services are looking into was there communication between the brothers between 2011 when one or both returned to france and
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the time of the attack? if aqap was in touch with the brothers that means the organization in yemen had the ability to directly communicate with them and u.s. and french intelligence likely did not pick up those communications. why is this so concerning? aqap the only organization the u.s. assesses to be capable of putting bombs on airplanes, bringing an airliner down. if they have the capacity to command, control, communicate with cells overseas and the u.s. doesn't know about it, it races the prospect of that threat further, raises the concern that there are additional threats out there that the u.s. might not know about. where does that leave everything? aqap in yemen, its top leadership still intact. its safe havens intact. the only way to get to all of
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this is u.s. drone attacks, to step up the pressure on al qaeda in yemen, have more drone attacks, look for more targets. before they can do that they need more cooperation from the government in yemen, which is already quite fragile and under siege by al qaeda and other rebel elements inside of yemen. >> very difficult situation. barbara starr at the pentagon. thanks. i want to get more on the other breaking story. the alleged plot to attack the u.s. capitol by an ohio man said to be aligned with isis. let's bring in justin correspondent pamela brown. an hour ago we were talking about this as it was breaking. you have new information this hour. >> really disturbing. we're learning that this 20-year-old cincinnati ohio man was arrested by fbi agents today. the fbi says he aligned himself with isis and he was allegedly plotting to murder u.s. lawmakers and employees at the u.s. capitol building.
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the fbi says the cincinnati man planned to detonate pipe bombs around the u.s. capitol and shoot people with rifles as they fled. according to the complaint, the fbi began investigating him several months ago when a confidential informant alerted them to statements allegedly made by him on social media. the fbi says he used twitter to support attack for isil. in one exchange he allegedly said i believe we should meet up and make our own group in alliance with islamic state here and plan on operations ourselves. the fbi arrested him in the final steps of his he allegedly acquired weapons for the attack. two primary concerns. the first is that our own home grown violent extremists will be
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emboldened. they will engage there copycat attacks. >> reporter: u.s. law enforcement is on highened alert. >> the paris attack exemplifies the threats that could come back to the united states. we need to understand exactly how it happened how the training occurred how the movements and planning went forward. >> reporter: washington is working closely with french authorities to track down whether any americans had communications with the paris attack suspects and anyone in their cell. sifting through thousands of phone calls, e-mails and text messages. and look at a picture now from our affiliate wkrc that shows right here apparently according to the affiliate the takedown by the fbi of cornell today in cincinnati. this 20-year-old man who authorities say was plotting to kill u.s. lawmakers and that he was in the final stages of his plan. we are told that despite his
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disturbing plan that there was no threat to the public during the course of the investigation. the picture apparently showing, according to our affiliate, fbi agents in the takedown. >> authorities may have been aware that he had these opinions and they waited until he was acting on them to intervene. >> concrete steps. >> pamela brown, thanks so much. let's talk about all of this breaking news now with peter king of new york. he is a member of the homeland security committee. congressman thanks for being with us. you heard the story about this ohio man, an isis supporter. he was planning this attack on the u.s. capitol. it seemed like he was about to get operational on it. how big of a threat is someone like this man or other terror sympathizers for that matter? >> this is something that isis has purchaseerfected. that's their social media is so sophisticated that they can appeal to the people on the edges. we saw that in canada in
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october. we saw it in new york in october when the deranged person attacked the police officers with an ax. he had been following isis on social media. so this type person today seems as if he has mental issues and inspired by isis. in addition to actually planned, coordinated attacks, they now have been able to somehow plug into these people on the edges of society and motivate them to carry out these attacks. >> you have french security services now, they have identified yet another suspect in the paris attacks, an accomplice of amedy coulibaly. how much more could this unravel, do you think? by that i mean are we going to see many more potential accomplices revealed? >> this certainly is an ongoing investigation. there's at least several more i think, who are going to be found to have been involved. it could go beyond that. this is really -- it's just
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being uncovered day by day. we know of at least several that left the country, who left before the attacks. that indicates perhaps an actual cell that was there. so again, the french are doing all they can. they are working closely with us and all our partners in europe and the middle east. this is something that really is of concern, because it certainly goes beyond the three. this goes beyond the four. how far it goes it's really too early to tell. it certainly is being run down. >> more to talk about with you, congressman peter king a key voice on homeland security. more talking about aqap in yemen coming up.
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we are following breaking news. a french newspaper reporting authorities are looking for another terror suspect connected to the paris attacks. back now with peter king of new york. he is a member of the homeland security committee. i want to ask you, congressman, about this video from aqap. we're hearing from the administration they believe it is authentic. they have confirmed it's authentic. the question is whether the claim of responsibility for the charlie hebdo attack is authentic. do you believe it's al qaeda in the arabian peninsula behind the attack? >> that's being investigated. i believe they have involvement here. their fingerprints are all over this. if they directed this if this was a cell or people just trained several years ago and sent back to take action when
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they thought it was possible to be effective. for instance in this case to say somehow allah key was behind this that's long-range thinking. if i had to bet, i would say that there was training from al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. they were sent back. i don't know if they were sleepers or sent back to take action when they thought it was worthwhile. i would doubt if there was that much coordination. i would say the main question right now is was there any command and control going on at this moment or in the last several months and how are they communicating if there were? >> do you have any sort of idea of what the answer to that question is? if the kouachi brothers were communicating with aqap. >> that's the big issue right now. that's the question. if they were communicating, was it done electronically? was it done by courier?
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how was it being done? again, what their methods of communication were, how sew if ity -- how sophisticated they were if they were left on their own to take action when they thought it was worthwhile to take. >> have they found a way around the ashl channels that intelligence normally can detect? you mentioned you said it's unclear to you if the kouachi brothers were sleepers if they are part of a sleeper cell or they are a sleeper cell. you have the u.s. mentioned in this aqap video. do you believe that there are sleeper cells in the u.s. perhaps? >> i have no evidence that there's actual cells. there's no doubt there's supporters. there's no doubt there's sympathizers here. whether it's aqap or isis -- with isis we know a number of americans have gone to syria. we have to monitor them as they come back. we don't know if we know everyone that has gone there. we could have people that travel to europe and work their way down into syria, go back up to
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europe and come back to the u.s. also you do have people who are sympathizers we believe could beize sympathizers. an actual sleeper cell i'm not aware. it doesn't mean it's not here. we don't know what we don't know. we have to assume that there are sleeper cells here or there could be sleeper cells here and act on that. >> let's talk about these new pictures that we are getting inside the kosher market attack. photos obtained by cnn this afternoon. they show the attack by amedy coulibaly. when you look at these, congressman, are you seeing any evidence that perhaps this was more of an improvised attack? >> i believe -- again, i'm just making a guesstimate here is that this was more improvised. i think this person was trained. he was somewhat sophisticated. i don't know how long range this was. we're not certain what his
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involvement was, if there was any with the other attack or he saw this as an opportunity for him also to move. he claims affiliation with isis. whether or not this was an impromptu move by him to sort of take advantage of the situation or whether or not he had been planning it if he is under anyone else's direction, these are all issues we have to look at. i know you mentioned earlier i think that -- we make this distinction in the media and government between isis and aqap and al qaeda. the fact is there's a lot of cross polination. there has been cooperation and collaboration. they often know each other. they carry out attacks together on the ground. whether or not they are sanctioned at the top level. >> this is something that is interesting, because you have aqap taking responsibility for the "charlie hebdo" attack not the kosher market attack. you have amedy coulibaly who
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appears to have executed that attack pledging allegiance to isis. so what is known, if anything about coulibaly's, i guess, his being in touch with isis in syria or iraq? do we know anything? >> again, all of that is being investigated. it appears there was connections between him and the brothers. again, everything here -- this is the first several days. this is going to be tracked so completely and so thoroughly that so much more is going to come out over the next days weeks and months on this. i think we're going to find more rather than less as we go forward. >> coulibaly finally, his girlfriend or common law wife hayat boumeddiene, she fled to turkey. it appears she's in syria. do you have any idea where she is? can you tell us how important of an assess she is? >> i would say she would be very important, because obviously she
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was well connected. it appears as if she knew something might be happening. maybe that's why she left. whether or not she could be any involvement with isis and with aqap we don't know. i would say she's very important. again, odds are she's very important. i don't know where she is. if i did, i couldn't tell you anyway. but i don't know. i would say that if they can get ahold of her, that would -- she would serbcertainly have a lot of intelligence to give. >> congressman, thanks so much for being with us. really appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> congressman peter king joining us from new york. back live to paris for the latest on the breaking news. a report of another suspect identified in the terror attack investigation. plus the chilling new images of the deadly siege of that kosher market. what clues does it contain for investigators? listen up... i'm reworking the menu. veggies you're cool... mayo, corn dogs...you are so out of here!
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where he following the breaking news. a report of another suspect identified in the paris terror attacks. a claim of responsibility by al qaeda in yemen. jim sciutto is in paris. tell us what you are learning about the additional suspect. >> reporter: two clues leading french police to this possible suspect. one, a set of keys to a motor
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bike left behind in a hideout apartment of amedy coulibaly, the man who took the kosher market hostage. two, ammunition the same ammunition used by coulibaly in the kosher market tied to ammunition used to shoot a jogger in a park just before that attack. police looking into the possibility that this additional suspect may have driven coulibaly to the kosher market before he took over the store. it's early. police still investigating. but they believe now unfortunately the suspect may have left the country for syria. >> al qaeda in yemen, aqap today releasing a video claiming responsibility for this attack. what is the reaction that you are hearing there in france? >> reporter: in france additional shock because, of course aqap like with the u.s. here considered one of the most threatening international terror groups with great capabilities. so of course the concern is if they could carry out an
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attack like this might they be able to carry out additional attacks? u.s. officials i have spoken to raising questions about whether aqap necessarily exercised command and control over this attack or perhaps gave funding and training to the fighters and gave them a fair amount of flexibility to choose a target timing. it's early though as you know. these things change quickly based on intelligence that they are gathering. >> the big story there on the ground in paris today has been this latest issue of "charlie hebdo." it was released today. how did people react to this? >> reporter: they reacted in probably the most telling way possible by going out and buying up all the copies extremely quickly. 3 million off the shelves. they will present another 2 million just to meet the demand. keep in mind that's 100 times more than the typical weekly print of this. people buying it partly because of interest but also partly as a
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show of support for the magazine and as a show of strength for france. they are viewing this in a way as a way to show their unity, like they did in that march on sunday. even the french national carrier, air france buying 20,000 copies to give to all the passengers on their flight. this is something of a show of force, a collective show of force here in defense of what they say is the freedom of expression. >> we know there are more copies on the way. so much demand. not enough supply as it turned out for a publication that normally has 60,000 -- a circulation of 60,000. thanks so much. i want to get more with fran townsend and lieutenant colonel james reese and phillip crowther and we have tom fewuentes.
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let's talk about a man in ohio a support are of isis arrested as it appeared he was starting to become operational on a plot to attack the capitol. how big of a threat was this? >> i think, fortunately, the fact that he was on social media trying to recruit people indicates that he didn't have a super secret cell that was asleep and then activated. it doesn't sound like he is part of command and control from isis or aqap. but this is the fear that people the lone wolves that get radicalized and operate themselves try to become operational on their own. >> certainly. it looks like this is a plot that may have been foiled early. perhaps the planner was not doing his best to evade the authorities going on social media. at the same time there will be other folks who may be a little more clandestine about this. there's no way law enforcement
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can tackle all of these individuals, right? >> that's correct. like we have talked about, there's a threat matrix out there. there's smart people out there who are prioritizing the metric and putting surveillance against it. law enforcement have to get help from the public. if they see something, they have to say something, which is a big part of the surveillance picture out there. >> speaking of pictures we did just get one. this is of this suspect, the man in ohio. his name is chris lee cornell. he looked young because he is young. about 20 years old, as we understand. that's our first look at him coming to us from our affiliate wkrc. i want to turn now, fran and talk about the attacks in paris. this video released by aqap there's a claim in it that's key that the now deceased cleric had a role in the attack. he's not just deceased he has
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been dead since 2011. if this is legitimate why did it take so long for the kouachi brothers to carry out of attack? >> you know it's not that unusual. he was tied to the underwear bomb er bomber. in that case what happened was he told him, i want it to be a u.s. airliner. i want it to blow up u.s. soil. they released him to pick his time and target. it's not that unusual. the lapse of time longer than you might expect. you don't know what could have interrupted this. it's likely the brothers when they were in yemen, received training from aqap and may, in fact -- investigators are looking to determine whether or not one or both brothers might have met him before he was killed in a u.s. air strike. they don't have to exercise direct command and control, hit this target on this day and this way. typically, it's just too complicated. the other thing i would say is
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investigators really want to know whether there was additional contact between aqap and the kouachi brothers when they were in france. remember, the underwear bomber he was instructed to use enkrepgsen encryption after he deployed to conduct boxing. if if that's the case they have managed to maintain some amount of command and control. that will be key in this investigation. >> they may find channels to evade surveillance. thank you. phillip, i want to ask you about the weapons. we see pictures of the weapons that were used by the kouachi brothers by the kosher market attacker. what's the chance that these were obtained in france? >> there are possibilities. these are the kind of weapons that have been used by gangs in the paris suburbs in the past. there is pretty good reporting coming out of belgium from
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belgium newspapers and french newspapers as well that these weapons might have been bought in brussels or around brussels. these are the weapons used by amedy coulibaly in the grocery store. that's one clear possibility now. usually, with those weapons as far as i know they tend to come from yugoslavia. these are not common weapons in france. there's one thing you have to remember weapons in general are just not very common in france. they are very difficult to buy. you certainly can't buy them legally. certainly not this kind of weapon. we're talking ak-47s and possibly rocket laurjnchers as well. that's not common. >> certainly not. different in the u.s. interesting to point out as well. stick with me. we will be back in a minute. i want to squeeze in a break. we have many more questions in just a moment.
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one of the employees, probably lack locking the fire doors to the location so the police can't come in from that way and sneak up on him. appears to be supervising. he is wearing his gear backpack vest -- bullet proof vest. >> is this a gun? >> i can't tell from this picture if it is or if it's a handgun below -- behind whatever it is here that's hiding it. i'm not sure whether he has the gun in that hand. >> he is securing the door here. there's something else that happens. we have many photos of this. the ladder goes up towards one of the security cameras. you can see a man down here who we believe say host anlis a hostage.dismantle the cameras. how what does this tell about you what coulibaly wanted to happen? >> he might have thought the security cameras had a live feed to the police and that if he walk in front of a window or
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something and it's noticed, they can use the video feeds to determine it's him and maybe take a shot to take him out. he wants to eliminate maybe being seen or shot through the windows from the front of the building. >> then i do want to re-visit something, this photo here. this is of what appears to be eight or nine hostages. what do you think they're doing here in this picture? they are obviously cooperating with what whatever the demands are, right? >> this looks like a meeting where they are being told something by someone, you would presume that coulibaly may be the one that's telling them. they seem to be paying particular attention to what is being told or shown to them. >> tom, thanks so much. i want to bring in colonel reese. you are looking at some of the photos. tell us what stands out to you. >> a couple things. we talked earlier today about the equipment that coulibaly is
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wearing. i call it a flak vest because it's not a new generation vest. that vest has the same patterns that i saw in early stages of operation duringenduring freedom. that pattern was the same pattern worn by the german and belgium forces. he has surplus military equipment that some of this money that was used from the financing of this operation was used in the gathering of the pieces along with the equipment vest and some of the other pieces of equipment he is carrying. >> does anything stand out to you, fran? i talked with some experts today. they seem to say that perhaps he hadn't really cased the place. this seemed improvised to them. what do you think? >> the one thing -- i agree with that. the one thing i will say, there are a bunch of small pieces that we ought to -- i think it's fair to say we can't presume is
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coincidental. after the "charlie hebdo" attack, there was a car set on fire. where was that? that was outside of a synagogue. the shooting of the police officer was near a jewish school. the fact that this is a jewish market -- a kosher market clearly, this is -- the particular market may have been a randomly chosen. i think we have to assume that coulibaly went about this in a pretty deliberate way in terms of choosing his targets. and he was targeting jewish worshipers and jewish institutions. >> sending a message it seems like by his choices of targets. it appears that coulibaly might not have been in this alone, that he may have had some help. there is another man who has been identified. it seems he may have fled france. what do you know about this? >> identified yes, but no name given 57bd enn and no location. there's a possibility that this person if he or she is a
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suspect, might have fled to syria. syria is mentioned in the reporting by the newspaper. they have got their quotes from paris investigators and from the anti terrorism police unit. that's where they have got their information from at this point. this is a possible accomplice who might have driven amedy coulibaly to this grocery store. that's one of the elements of this investigation at this point. this is just one additional suspect. we're looking at plenty more. remember for example, there was that video filmed of amedy coulibaly in which he says he is doing this for isis. who might have filmed that video? that is another possible suspect. there are plenty. also there's another frenchman being held in bulgaria at this point who will be extradited possibly to france by the end of the week by friday. that's another person who might have additional information. it's a spider web of suspects at this point. >> we heard a report out of france today, it could be a lot more in terms of accomplices. we will wait to see if that does
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come to fruition. thanks for being with on here in "the situation room." tom, good to have you. fran, thank you. colonel reese, appreciate you talking with us. more breaking news ahead. there's a report of authority looking for another terror suspect connected to the paris attacks. we have new details of the incredible plot to poison house speaker john boehner. >> good morning, everyone. the situation in iraq --
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the fbi has arrested an ohio man. a 20-year-old for identifying with isis and planning an attack o on the u.s. capitol. i want to bring our panel back in here. fran phillip, tom and colonel reese. we're seeing a pattern here. young men who are inspired to extremism. do we have any idea how many people we may be talking about here in the u.s. who might be interested in doing something like this young man? >> we really don't. the problem is it's an ever growing population. i think we've spoken before. i started a non-profit called the counter extremeism property. social media have been subverted and used by extremism to disshow
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their propaganda. it seems like this ohio man was just such case. he's on there. he's sort likes the idealology and looking for an opportunity to act. with all these bad actors using social media to show their propaganda it's a very dangerous environment. the fbi interrupted this one, but there are too many for them to be able to do that every time. >> let's take a look at a couple of photos. one is the yearbook photo of the young man. you can see how young he is. 20-year-old chris lee cornell and pictures of authorities really taking him down.
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he is in custody at this point. this is an example of a potential lone wolf. how big of an issue is this? >> social media is their best friend and also their worth enemy. now with outreach of u.s. law enforcement, the police going into the communities, when these postings go on social media, very often the authorities are notified take a look that the guy. that's what's helped so many cases like that. >> i know this is gnaw and developing story, but what stands out to you. >> i think a lot of the folks are starting so see is they're disenfranchised. they're looking for something to belong to. it's their chance to get in the spotlight, to get on the show. to be seen on youtube.
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isis and some of these other organizations are good at this information age of drawing in a hollywood platform to be part of. >> that's really the universal aspect here. feels ostracized by mainstream culture and looking for belonging somewhere else. we see that in france. >> that's the fear throughout europe add well. the possibly lone wolf attack that's been mentioned up to the u.s. president himself. that was associated with this take in paris as well. at the end of the day this was a group of attackers who were better armed and better trained for that one person might have been. might have been inspired by some kind of ideology at home.
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>> certainly much more sophisticated. thank you so much to everyone on the panel. really appreciate you being here. we have another major story that's breaking right now. it's major shake up a t the secret service. four top officials asked to leave their jobs. this coming after a series of security breaches at the white house. you remember this one in september when man with a knife jumped the fence and got inside of the white house. we're also learning new details of this is an incredible plot to kill house speaker john boehner. cnn chief congressional correspondent dana bash working this story. this is just eye popping. what are you finding out? >> we're seeing more evidence today, including newly released 911 calls that show how disturbed this man appears to be and possibly capable of anything. >> mr. speaker. >> reporter: it's like the plot of a hollywood thriller. country club bartender threatens to poison the speerkaker of the
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house. this indictment is real charging michael michael hoyt to threaten john boehner. he even blamed him for ebola. that was his response when asked about the threat. they knew the bartender mike as he was called for years. he even had debbie boehner's e-mail address and sent her this chilling note after he was fired from the country club writing if i had any intention of hurting mr. boehner i could have poisoned his wine many many times. what is this about she responded. his rambling answer in part mrs. boehner i was fired. i could not e-mail mr. boehner directly because of the zip code block on his e-mail. the name day he placed call to 911. >> yes, this is mike. i messed up. >> reporter: when police went to his home he said the devil's
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voice telling him john boehner's voice was evil and he planned to shoot him with an automatic weapon. >> it's sad situation. i think this individual needs a great deal of help but the speaker also needs to be protected. >> reporter: after september 11 security was stepped up on capitol hill. this armored vehicle sits outside. when most lawmakers are at home they're on their own. capitol police do protect congressional leaders and the house speaker second this line to the presidency has more protection than any other. he does not make a move inside the capitol or out without security detail. nothing is absolute. >> there may be security at table next to them but they're patron like any other customer. >> reporter: a bullet hole was found in his virginia office be. >> how common is this kind of
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thing? >> it's more common than anybody would expect. they get ang litry letters every day. every once in a while someone steps over the line. every time the capitol police investigate it. >> capitol police are reluctant to talk about the specifics of running threats to lawmakers but we know there's an entire division of the department dedicated to it. when attacks like what we saw with gabby giffords happen especially at the hands of people that are disturbed there's a lot of should have would have could have. the good news is police jumped on signs of trouble and prevented something potentially devastating from happening. >> very alarming. dana bash. thank you so much. really appreciate the report. remember that you can always follow us on twitter. you just tweet the show @cnn sit room. be sure to join us tomorrow. that's it for me. we're in "the situation room"
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and erin burnett outfront starts rite now. outfront next breaking news on several fronts. the fbi arrests an ohio man for plotting to bomb the u.s. capitol and shoot people as they fled. is this an isis move? his father is out front. a fourth suspect identified. are there more accomplices out there. we also have new images inside the mayhem. isis leasing a disturbing image of a young boy exkutsecuteing to men in the head. why are children the newest tool? the special report. let's